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Such a strange Russia. And we are not 1937 th ...

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Although they say that it is not worth to renounce a prison and a bag, but let this cup pass us by! And if not bypassed, then there are options too. The blessing in the yard is not 1937, as our President V. V. Putin said.


Such a strange Russia. And we are not 1937 th ...


Although today many people on the Internet really vote on the topic that it would be nice to return.

It is clear that they refer to the shots of the killer and robber Tsepovyaz, who is serving a sentence in a colony of strict regime, so that God forbid everyone.

And you can even agree with some loud voices calling, because yes, if a thief and a murderer should be in prison, then who said that he has no right to arrange his life at his own expense as he can?

Unfortunately, this is so. With a thoughtful reflection on the punishment, you begin to understand that it is a matter of deprivation of liberty, but not deprivation of the right to eat not frozen bread with an empty dummy.

And then yes, the excesses and distortions begin. Tell me, who can boast that he regularly sees Kamchatka crabs on his table? In addition to residents of the Far East, I am sure, not all. A rare and expensive thing - a crab ...

And even more so the delicacy is not for the zone.

In places of imprisonment, one should assume that a person should, under the conditions of restricting his freedom of movement and communication (this is about how the photos were taken and got to the one who posted them), at least somehow re-educate. Aware of the depth of his fall and stuff like that.

But the feast of such a plan, of course, does not suit anyone, except the feast and cellmates.

In no case do not encroach on the right Tsepovyaz tasty to eat. However, is he an oligarch of the type of Khodorkovsky, who has enough money in his personal accounts to secure a sweet life in the zone? Three million a year, according to his ex-wife. Sorry, not everyone earns such a sum here a year, how much Tepovyaz was eating ...

Is it overworked money earned? Or is it the loot? There is a difference, is not it?

It is clear that the corruption and corruption of any modern Russian ministry, even justice, which includes the Federal Penitentiary Service, although internal affairs is a topic that I don’t want to discuss because there is nothing special to discuss there. Everything is clear and understandable.

The fall below is nowhere, when those who should fulfill their duty according to this oath become just servants to prisoners who are able to pay any whim.

It is clear that a lot of money does not happen.

We ended up on this with the murderer and gangster Tsepovyaz and his servants in uniform.

Again, this is not the 1937 year, it’s not so now. It was during the collapse of that system that Russians tore their throats and not only their throats in 1991 and 1993. And further from year to year they confirmed their democratic choice by voting for freedom and democracy.

Here, now so. Democratically and freely, the killer convicted of 20 for years jingles from the camera “I Want Cake and Ice Cream,” and a proud and independent UFSIN officer with a bow and the words “don't hesitate, s, at the best, let's do it” on half-bent runs to perform.

This is called "sunk." However, there is a second side to the coin.

And I will begin to acquaint you with this side of the coin with a small historical excursion. Not in 1937, but in 1944 and 1939, respectively.



Here is a picture dated 1944 year. The end of October - the beginning of November, if not mistaken.

There are three major generals in the photo: George G. Morozov, Anton Antonovich Kuznetsov, and Eduard E. Lisitsyn before a difficult and dangerous business trip.

Okay, what I’m uploading to you here is a shot through the Internet, and everyone who is interested in the topic is ready to correct me.

But this is really the major generals of the Red Army. Juan Modesto, Antonio Cordon and Enrique Lister.

And comrade generals really in November, after meeting with Stalin were sent to the Spanish partisan detachments in France and Spain.

And Enrique Lister found himself in Yugoslavia in 1945, where he also received the rank of general and thus became the only stories General of the three armies of three different states. Yes, in Spain, before the collapse of the republic, he was also a general.

These comrades appeared in the USSR in the 1939 year, after the Republicans lost to the fascists of General Franco. They were taken to the Red Army, fought, including even against their fellow countrymen from the "Blue Division" near Leningrad.

Awards, it is worth noting, the Spaniards did not indulge.

Why am I all this? And all to the fact that the year 1939-th, well, maybe a little less cruel was than 1937-th. However, the Spaniards accepted, who wanted - received weapon and went to war.

And today we do not have 37, and certainly not 39.

Perhaps that is why this topic is already tired of the constant attempts to throw us into the territory of the neighboring unfriendly state of his seemingly former citizens.

For example, Philip Venediktov, a native of the city of Krivoy Rog.



What is the fault of Philip, while difficult to say. Joined the militia, fought. He received a rather severe wound to the leg, was treated and underwent rehabilitation in Russia. After the active hostilities were over, the guy decided to legalize himself in Russia, as they are doing now (and they did before) many of his compatriots.

But in January last year, the FSB of the Chelyabinsk Region for some reason decided that it was not worth believing Venediktov’s words, and the interpretation of colleagues from the SBU, who accuse Venediktov of terrorism, is more credible.

Well, ok, here, of course, everything is logical. From the point of view of the SBU, Venediktov is a terrorist. And the author, for example, is an accomplice of terrorists. That's really, in the light of recent changes in the Criminal Code of Ukraine, I would absolutely not want to be there. These cuties came up with an article 110-2, according to which from 8 to 10.

And to Venediktov? And he is accused of having special training as a sanitary instructor, being part of the illegal “DPR” military unit, carried out a search, removal and removal of victims from the battlefield and took measures to further their evacuation and cure.

This is actually a quote. No, no doubt, Venediktov, with his desire to save the lives of the terrorists of the “DPR”, simply begs for a time!

But that's not all.

The second part of the accusation is that Venediktov, in a separate episode, "resisted the Ukrainian armed forces involved in the anti-terrorist operation."

And Philip resisted with the help of the machine gun NSV caliber 12,7 mm. Proved there are witnesses.

Well, yes, from where the sanitary officer to own a machine gun so that there are no witnesses left? Excusable.

Nevertheless, the Magnitogorsk Pravoberezhny District Court left the application with which Venediktov appealed to him, without satisfaction. And now Venediktov is illuminated by extradition in the night.

Of course, why do we need such a new citizen in the country? Freedom-loving, thirsty for justice, and most importantly - a brave and not afraid of the responsibility of choice people.

Yes, the tyrant of democracy and the symbol of totalitarianism, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin willingly accepted such people. Moreover, the Poles, French, Spaniards, Czechs received weapons and went to fight. Often with the alliance to which their states belonged.

And today, while in front of some representatives of the government sullenly creeping, providing them with places of deprivation of maximum welfare, others who may not be able to “contribute” to building well-being separately and specifically taken officials, we are trying to expel away. It is desirable to go where they just unscrew the head.

Indeed, why the current government such citizens? Believing in the ideals of the Russian world and unwilling to reconcile with the fact that the fascist junta rules in their former homeland?

How much has been spent all, paper, megabytes, time and nerves to prove to the authorities that the betrayal of those who are fighting precisely for the Russian world’s idea of ​​the Russian world is treachery and meanness?

But we are not 37-th year, as accurately noted by the president. And this is more than strange.
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  2. Bull Terrier
    Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 06: 27
    -83
    One question is how many people with such a biography and Russia is located and how many have done so? What is the ratio? Half a percent, a hundredth part? Why make a system out of rare cases? And what is more scary so to invent this system? Everybody has nonsense or distortions. But these are private questions. 37,39 year ... you already really began to cross borders. In many cities, these guys live now and they have no such plan of problems.
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 17 November 2018 06: 55
      +101
      One question is how many people with such a biography and Russia is located and how many have done so? What is the ratio? Half a percent, a hundredth part? Why make a system out of rare cases?
      Such cases should not be at all, in principle.
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 07: 11
        -31
        this is from the realm of fiction) people are people)
        1. My address
          My address 17 November 2018 08: 12
          +40
          Dear bull terrier!
          This is what you note - you never agree with the correct comment of your opponent in the discussion. You know, about people like you, there is a good expression:: Do not pay attention to the arguments of the other side! Never give up! Shiver to the end! lol
          1. Bull Terrier
            Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 08: 20
            -29
            Nonsense. I always agree with the reasonable ones. What you think is right is not always right for me.
            1. ruigat
              ruigat 18 November 2018 16: 51
              +3
              For you, the most reasonable is not to hesitate to lick the boots of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, but other forum users on VO will find a more reasonable use of their languages.
              1. Bull Terrier
                Bull Terrier 18 November 2018 22: 20
                -3
                You can lick whatever you want. I prefer other ways of development. if my opinion is different from your rudeness then the norm?
          2. Nehist
            Nehist 17 November 2018 09: 08
            +21
            And you do not pay attention to the Bull Terrier !!! He is a Tankman !!! And until his tank is set on fire, everything is fine with him !!! (And here we have trained such officers)
            1. My address
              My address 17 November 2018 10: 04
              +15
              Sorry, Alexander, I do not agree with you.
              In 60-e and 70-e we have trained good tank officers, and that in the military departments of civilian universities, that in schools. For example, I know the two-year-olds of the UPIs from both GSVG (the first in Germany, and the second, playfully called similarly, in the Gobi Desert, in Mongolia) who were offered to remain in the army with the prospect of official growth. A real tankman, especially an officer, is obliged to soberly and critically evaluate both the tactical situation and his actions. The warriors who rested and the tankers didn’t like - the teachers who had passed the Great Patriotic War grinned at us on the military commissar. soldier
              1. Alber
                Alber 17 November 2018 14: 40
                +18
                A real man, a real officer more than once saved the soldiers, and by the way the tankman was Budanov
            2. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 10: 05
              -14
              watch yourself. not for you to discuss my specialization. they prepared us well. thanks and rewards alone. but the fact that you do not like my opinion is so your personal business.
            3. saigon
              saigon 17 November 2018 11: 43
              +10
              And why is a person defending his opinion bad?
              I personally disagree with him on many issues, but he doesn’t turn around like a weather vane (how many former Communist Party of the Soviet Union leaders have become ardent liberals now) And the tanker was stubbornly at the moment of the weather vane and caught the moment, such stubborn from burning tanks shot to the end in the war.
            4. AleBors
              AleBors 17 November 2018 21: 17
              +13
              No need for tankmen to blame here angry Although we are armored, but not crazy .. wink
          3. Captain45
            Captain45 17 November 2018 17: 45
            +4
            Quote: My address
            Dear bull terrier!
            This is what I note with you - you never agree with the correct comment of your opponent in the discussion.

            Dear, My address (Alexander) in fairness, I note that Bull Terrier's comment on the article is the first and objections in response to his comment so far I do not see any, but on the other hand 46. You know, from my point of view, it would be better instead of 46 minuses to see 46 comments disproving the point of view of the Bull Terrier. But why? The downside is easier ...
            1. Egor-dis
              Egor-dis 18 November 2018 07: 29
              +12
              Quote: Captain45
              You know, from my point of view, it would be better instead of 46 minuses to see 46 comments disproving the point of view of the Bull Terrier. But why? The downside is easier ...
              According to the unwritten rules of Internet discussions, the actions of the Bull Terrier are considered trolling, and are aimed at emotionally engaging in the discussion, in order to get the very "46 comments", to obscure the topic and / or take it in a different direction. Yes, one could give a reasoned answer, but the troll doesn't care. So, yes, 46 cons is easier.
              http://secretworlds.ru/blog/osnovnye_pravila_trollinga_v_internete/2014-05-24-679
              1. Bull Terrier
                Bull Terrier 18 November 2018 11: 28
                -5
                C'mon?) Tolling? What joy is this? ) all opinions that yours do not agree with all such?)
        2. AUL
          AUL 17 November 2018 10: 00
          +29
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          this is from the realm of fiction) people are people)

          And meanness is meanness! Even if it is "legally"!
          1. walked past
            walked past 17 November 2018 23: 55
            +15
            I agree.
            I will say more: the law is in the furnace! According to the law, flailing crabs hawala on a soft sofa this way, in general, NORMAL ??? And according to the thieves' "laws" to sit with him at the table is the same as shaking hands with a "rooster" or scooping out of a leaky bowl by mistake - let them correct me if I'm wrong. a flail-borer and a baby-killer, this is not the same thing as a "crowned thief" ... As soon as the inmates are not overcrowded ??? After two hours of his stay "at the resort" he should have had the gruel on the bench before he finished eating it ...
            Where do we live 6 ???
            Everything is on sale, everything is on sale: officials in bulk, an oath is inexpensive, and conscience in general is "the second item on the check."
            And the hero can be transferred to the Sumerians, right? Well, "people are people." Jesus was also crucified by people, and he was also sold by a man for 30 pieces of silver, long before 1937 ...
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 17 November 2018 10: 42
          +15
          These are not people, this is scum, Bull Terrier.
          1. Bull Terrier
            Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 11: 00
            -15
            possibly. I do not want to evaluate personal qualities. they just said the reason, and there isn’t much to blame. would not have scored on the migration rules everything would have been fine.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 17 November 2018 11: 15
              +17
              These officials know where and what they are sending him to. So I can only repeat their assessment.
              1. Machito
                Machito 17 November 2018 11: 29
                +19
                Volunteers of the Donbass need to be protected and supported, because this is the vanguard of the fight against eurofascism.
                1. Mr Credo
                  Mr Credo 17 November 2018 15: 11
                  -4
                  Just a question. Why do they need Russia? After all, these people are like yeast from which the whole society can ferment! What if they rebel tomorrow against the current order in Russia?
                  1. Alber
                    Alber 17 November 2018 19: 02
                    +4
                    Do you like these orders? Probably like migrants ...
                    1. Mr Credo
                      Mr Credo 17 November 2018 19: 05
                      +14
                      I generally do not like the current system. And judging by the events in the Donbass, all patriotic citizens will be slowly disposed of in local conflicts under patriotic slogans.
              2. Bull Terrier
                Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 11: 45
                -14
                your right))) I can’t do that)
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 17 November 2018 11: 58
                  +16
                  So I can’t do this when those who betray and betray the people rule in the country.
                  1. Bull Terrier
                    Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 12: 05
                    -16
                    what do they rule then? this is an isolated case. 99.9 percent of these people live in peace. and this guy scored on our laws for which he paid. Do you want everyone who wants to do this? do not bend with anger. the situation is quite clear.
                    1. NordUral
                      NordUral 17 November 2018 12: 09
                      +14
                      Bull Terrier! Yes, you are full of lies, here is a link on the affairs of this guy:
                      https://pikabu.ru/story/chelyabinskoe_fsb_priznalo_opolchentsa_dnr_terroristom_chtobyi_vyidat_ego_sbu_6176027
                      1. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 12: 12
                        -14
                        I read the court decision. and what are they wrong about? that a person has been living in the Russian Federation since the age of 16 and for two years hasn’t done anything at all to be legalized? he created these tricks for himself.
                      2. NordUral
                        NordUral 17 November 2018 12: 14
                        +21
                        I expected this answer. The guy, of course, hung around at the resorts, and did not undergo treatment. In normal Russia, they brought him legalization documents back in the hospital.
                      3. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 12: 16
                        -16
                        do not smack nonsense. I would write immediately and there would be no troubles and would not wait two years. when he was treated someone touched him? And he thinks he was not treating a cold. let him relate all claims to himself. It’s my fault. but I hope someone helps him.
                      4. Mr Credo
                        Mr Credo 17 November 2018 16: 19
                        +13
                        In general, it turns out he did everything wrong? Instead of volunteering, one had to enroll in a volunteer movement and wait for a call. The call came, went, did not come, sit at home. Everything is by law and certified in writing !?
                      5. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 21: 13
                        -13
                        What does it have to do with it? A man crossed the border of the Russian Federation in 2016. Almost two years living, he did not even scratch himself to make a residence permit or something else. All this time living in the territory of the Russian Federation is illegal. Its a jamb. Completely.
                      6. sailor52
                        sailor52 18 November 2018 01: 10
                        +16
                        I am trying to legally legalize with the 2016 of the year for the brother of a citizen of Ukraine (though not DNR) RWP (the previous stage), and I will say so, it is cheaper and easier to get an astronaut on the ISS. They refuse, documents lose, do not give them a go, etc.
                      7. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 18 November 2018 11: 31
                        -8
                        And you don’t even see the difference between trying and not trying?)
                      8. A.Lex
                        A.Lex 18 November 2018 18: 37
                        +4
                        Quote: Bull Terrier
                        do not smack nonsense. I would write immediately and there would be no troubles and would not wait two years. when he was treated someone touched him? And he thinks he was not treating a cold. let him relate all claims to himself. It’s my fault. but I hope someone helps him.

                        In your opinion, and we all (citizens of the USSR) are to blame for the fact that the Union fell apart?
                      9. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 18 November 2018 22: 13
                        -5
                        Of course not. but if they want to move somewhere to us who should legalize for them?
                      10. your1970
                        your1970 19 November 2018 12: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: A.Lex
                        Quote: Bull Terrier
                        do not smack nonsense. I would write immediately and there would be no troubles and would not wait two years. when he was treated someone touched him? And he thinks he was not treating a cold. let him relate all claims to himself. It’s my fault. but I hope someone helps him.

                        In your opinion, and we all (citizens of the USSR) are to blame for the fact that the Union fell apart?
                        -And you don’t? Any evil uncles came and ruined everything ??
                        No, everything was exactly the same - as it was in 1917. Everyone just didn't care about it, not a single regiment commander went to the parade ground and said, "There, in Moscow, the USSR is being destroyed, I ORDER to defend the Motherland within the framework of our oath !! ! "...
                      11. A.Lex
                        A.Lex 19 November 2018 16: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: your1970
                        Quote: A.Lex
                        Quote: Bull Terrier
                        do not smack nonsense. I would write immediately and there would be no troubles and would not wait two years. when he was treated someone touched him? And he thinks he was not treating a cold. let him relate all claims to himself. It’s my fault. but I hope someone helps him.

                        In your opinion, and we all (citizens of the USSR) are to blame for the fact that the Union fell apart?
                        -And you don’t? Any evil uncles came and ruined everything ??
                        No, everything was exactly the same - as it was in 1917. Everyone just didn't care about it, not a single regiment commander went to the parade ground and said, "There, in Moscow, the USSR is being destroyed, I ORDER to defend the Motherland within the framework of our oath !! ! "...

                        You know ... Living at that time I (like most of my fellow citizens) BELIEVED my state! They believed (not in everything, of course, but mostly) that what was written and shown in the media was mostly true, and it was BELIEVED. The fact that in the end the state (or rather the ruling elite), having decided to get rich, abandoned us all is a fact confirmed by the events that followed. I was still 18-23 then and I remember what was pouring from the screens and from the pages of printed publications. Remembering THIS now ... I don’t know ... how we generally stayed within the borders that are now ... the Americans have been locked up - definitely. They didn’t cost anything (ALMOST) to finish us off ... But ... They decided that TOTAL chaos is the worst scenario ... One thing they could not understand is that what does not kill us makes us STRONGER !!! That is why we, who have gone through the entire American LIE, in all its forms, have become cynics who do not spare themselves, nor the enemy, nor the ally ... The Yankees did not understand that they CREATED AN ABSOLUTE ENEMY! An enemy who DOES NOT BELIEVE ANYONE OR ANYTHING. Even our own rulers, and even then - do not believe to the end. We do not believe until we see actions that correspond to our (essentially) Soviet dreams. Only by playing on the brink of the outbreak of hostilities with the entire united west will our leadership be popular among the people. Because the policy of conciliation, diplomacy, the absence of an INSTANT reaction to the hostile actions of this very West, causes anger and disappointment in the authorities among the population of Russia. I understand that an instant answer is not always correct and thoughtful! But it so happened historically (in the end) that "smearing porridge on a plate" for everyone is already here! angry soldier
                        so ... We have become such thanks to OUR comprador elite and the same amers.
                        NOT WE SUCH, LIFE IS SUCH !!!
                    2. Mr Credo
                      Mr Credo 17 November 2018 15: 15
                      +17
                      Well, about driving into the law they would be silent! Our oligarchs and the same Tsepovyaz do not score? And also Baghdasaryan and others like her? Whose cow would mumble, but it is better for an imperious cow to remain silent about legality. She sees here, but here she does not notice point blank. But stubbornly mumbles about the law!
                      1. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 15: 21
                        -15
                        Tsepovyaz with him what? Did Krabikov eat in the cell? Also news to me. Is a fool a racer? What was she allowed to do that? Not punished, not caught? Do you want to shoot her? And I say my point of view. I do not want to be like that. Lived and live by law. And I want others to respect him too.
                      2. lwxx
                        lwxx 17 November 2018 15: 44
                        +17
                        The Law? !! Yes, God, when did you never have to prove your right under the Law. Unfortunately in our country, the law is that drawbar .....
                      3. Mr Credo
                        Mr Credo 17 November 2018 16: 32
                        +15
                        The question is that for some everything is, but for others the law. As soon as an emergency with someone from a narrow layer or their children, the penalties are minimal and the mass of extenuating circumstances. Once mere mortals, so all the rigor of the law! Tsepovyaz with Tsapok broke the law for a long time. But they were not taken. Until it came to the massacre. And do not be it? So it would go on. We have a lot of such Baghdasaryans. She is like a collective image. Of course, you can bring Vasiliev languishing in thirteen chamber prison. But the trend is clear. Skomorokhov clearly needs to write an article with a list of special persons and who they suffered and did not suffer punishment, and how they would be punished for similar mortals.
                      4. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 21: 09
                        -10
                        I understand all this very well. Only this in no way should be an occasion to violate the law by others. I am talking about this.
                    3. ruigat
                      ruigat 18 November 2018 16: 57
                      +4
                      So the article is about the fact that for Tsepovyaz and others like him, the oligarch of the Russian Federation has one law, and for Phillip Venediktov and Soviet (Russian) patriots, another.
                      1. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 18 November 2018 22: 15
                        -3
                        we see different meanings in that article
        4. aglet
          aglet 18 November 2018 11: 05
          +2
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          people are people)

          it’s not about people, but about a court decision, such as an independent, and acting on the basis of the laws of the Russian Federation. it means that such an abstract "state" comes up with laws, which then monitors their mandatory implementation. that is, the state "rf" has officially equated the Donetsk militia, an orderly, with a terrorist, and is going to hand him over to the official authorities of Ukraine. the president, the prime minister, the supreme court, and the supreme prosecutor are all in favor, the law is the law. that's what we're talking about, not that people are different
    2. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 17 November 2018 06: 57
      +37
      You yourself ask how many of them are in Russia, so you don't know, and yet you yourself answer - very few, rare cases. But decent people should be concerned about every such case. And I would like someone to ask Putin a question about such people during his many "open lines", "meetings with voters" or just pre-conferences.
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 07: 11
        -18
        This is a rhetorical question.
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 17 November 2018 12: 12
          +17
          Bull Terrier
          This is a rhetorical question.

          So the guarantor did not have to do balabalism in 2014, and such questions would not arise. I would say honestly - we owe nothing to anyone.
          1. Bull Terrier
            Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 12: 14
            -14
            pancake. read the court decision and the reasons for refusing asylum. It’s my fault.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 17 November 2018 12: 28
              -10
              That's right. Could make a residence permit, then obtain citizenship. The fact that he fought has nothing to do with the matter.
              1. ruigat
                ruigat 18 November 2018 17: 09
                +4
                Yeah, but if he was a "kosher" nationality, you most likely would immediately have "relevant to the case."
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 18 November 2018 17: 11
                  -1
                  And if he is a kosher national, then you can be on the territory of the Russian Federation without a residence permit? laughing
                  1. ruigat
                    ruigat 18 November 2018 17: 14
                    +1
                    Of course, if he destroyed several Mossad agents and IDF soldiers.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 18 November 2018 18: 19
                      -1
                      laughing ... so for this citizenship of Somalia and 70% of the share of the repurchase for each captured cargo ship. Automatically.
                      Once again I ask - does Jewish origin give a person the right to illegally stay in the Russian Federation?
                      1. ruigat
                        ruigat 21 November 2018 13: 03
                        0
                        Gives if he fought with the enemies of Russia (USSR) and for some reason can not be legalized.
            2. Beringovsky
              Beringovsky 17 November 2018 13: 01
              +16
              I don’t give a damn what laws there are, okay?
              This is not my problem. Let the power itself be twisted, as you like.
              And since now, this is a betrayal - whatever one may say. And if tomorrow this regime needs new "volunteers", it will definitely not be me. Let them look for fools elsewhere, although I think they simply will not be. Nobody will go.
              1. Bull Terrier
                Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 13: 04
                -12
                Fine. For two years, a man violated the law of the country in which he lives, so does she still have to solve his troubles? What a fright?
                1. Beringovsky
                  Beringovsky 17 November 2018 13: 32
                  +14
                  It doesn’t matter in this case.
                  Betrayal is Judah's sin, the gravest thing.
                  You cannot cover it with a piece of law, like a fig leaf. It will lay a huge stain on power, and indirectly on Putin himself - so that Boris 55 and others would not weave about it. Justification, no one will listen. Blah blah blah...
                  1. Bull Terrier
                    Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 13: 45
                    -14
                    What does it mean no matter? Laws are one for all. With what joy should they not touch him ?!
                    1. Beringovsky
                      Beringovsky 17 November 2018 13: 59
                      +15
                      Because it will be a betrayal in the eyes of the absolute majority. No one will delve into the details.
                      Today, the Putin regime is considered a servant of the oligarchs, tomorrow they will also be considered Jewish. He quickly rolls along the path of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
                      And your demagogy will not help. But this arrangement suits me - the shameful the authorities look, the better.
                      1. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 15: 05
                        -11
                        This is not my demagoguery. You scold the government, while you yourself are not particularly different from it by offering to spit on laws for certain people.
                      2. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 17 November 2018 18: 05
                        +11
                        Laws are built not from scratch, but on moral and ethical principles, imperatives.
                        If the laws allow betrayal, the worse for the laws, and for the state that stands on them.
                        And do not confuse Mara Lukoilovna with decent, honest people.
                      3. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 21: 02
                        -11
                        A set of words without meaning. No matter how they are built. You are a man, a citizen. You are personally responsible for the implementation of the law. And what others do you should not concern. For your friction with the law will only be your decisions consequences.
                      4. walked past
                        walked past 18 November 2018 00: 42
                        +6
                        If you do not catch the point, this does not mean that it does not exist.
                        The state, the law, the citizen are CRAZY nonsense. Honor is the only thing that has value, the rest is just letters on a piece of paper - wiped off and printed a new one "with amendments, additions and explanations to clauses 5.2, 5.3 and 7.1"
                        Watch any of the latest issues of the "mount show" on the Internet and just think for yourself, where we live and what our elite is worth, our laws and those who write them? And on the other side of the scale, a man who defended justice, saved people, defended his views and the memory of the sacrifice of our ancestors.
                        There is the same difference between "breaking the law" and "crime" as between "deserved punishment" and "personal revenge."
                    2. AUL
                      AUL 17 November 2018 17: 27
                      +9
                      Quote: Bull Terrier
                      What does it mean no matter? Laws are one for all.

                      But are they really the same for everyone?
                      1. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 20: 58
                        -9
                        For me, yes.
                      2. walked past
                        walked past 18 November 2018 00: 45
                        +14
                        It’s good for you to live in parallel reality, even envy in a good way.
                      3. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 18 November 2018 11: 37
                        0
                        My reality is quite ordinary. I work. I bring up my girls. I live honestly and legally. That's all. And if it’s fantastic for you, then it’s not my fault.
                    3. Alber
                      Alber 17 November 2018 19: 11
                      +11
                      Quote: Bull Terrier
                      Laws are one for all. With what joy should they not touch him ?!

                      Say it to Shmare Baghdasoryan. Vasilieva
              2. Mr Credo
                Mr Credo 17 November 2018 15: 51
                +10
                I think Russia will not need volunteers. Although today they shout a lot about the threat to Russia. Just today there is no such movement of volunteers and sponsors as in the Second World War. We like the oligarchs are threatened. But they sponsor opponents, not the Russian army. After all, we do not have tank columns, squadrons or flotillas from the oligarchs. So all the talk about Russia's threat is a bluff? Not? Well, then where is the rallying of our elite around the leader? Is it yesterday when the princes armed the army with their money !? Today, only the state should do this !? So then what, no one threatens our oligarchs and all the hysteria about the threat is in favor of the poor? And will all patriotic citizens simply be disposed of in local conflicts? So it turns out by logic !?
                1. Egor-dis
                  Egor-dis 18 November 2018 07: 40
                  +5
                  Quote: Mister Creed
                  Is it yesterday when the princes armed the army with their money !? Today, only the state should do this !?

                  The scheme described by you in modern language is characteristic of corporatocracy, the power of corporations with their armies. And according to Russian law, such armies are called - illegal armed groups, private security companies and PMCs. And, according to history, it didn’t lead to anything good. As a result, everything had to be resolved, with the help of the people's militia, Minin and Pozharsky.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 17 November 2018 07: 56
        -3
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        And I would like someone to ask Putin a question about such people during his many "open lines"

        Do you watch them? Putin's answer to you - video from 4: 30



        On many issues, the prosecutor’s office is more opposed to the president than it helps, since the laws adopted by the Duma contribute to this state of affairs.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 17 November 2018 10: 45
          +19
          The guarantor says well, only his officials’s affairs are vile.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 17 November 2018 11: 55
            -8
            Quote: NordUral
            The guarantor says well, only his officials’s affairs are vile.

            Do you mean the presidential administration? laughing
            1. Beringovsky
              Beringovsky 17 November 2018 13: 35
              +7
              There is a good word - Mode.
            2. AUL
              AUL 17 November 2018 17: 34
              +8
              Quote: Boris55
              Quote: NordUral
              The guarantor says well, only his officials’s affairs are vile.

              Do you mean the presidential administration? laughing

              Tell me, who canceled the referendum on pension reform? Under the constitution, all the conditions for him were fulfilled! Of course, negligent and insidious officials, and the president is not in the know? I remember that at the inauguration he vowed to abide by this very constitution, and, yes, to see, he didn’t have enough time ...
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 17 November 2018 18: 35
                -7
                Quote: AUL
                Tell me, who canceled the referendum on pension reform?

                Before you cancel something, you must accept something.
                When and who appointed the referendum? When and who canceled it?

                For your information:

                Constitution of the Russian Federation. 84 Article.

                President of Russian Federation:
                c) call a referendum in the manner prescribed by federal constitutional law;

                Federal constitutional law of the Russian Federation of 28 June 2004 g. N 5-FKZ

                Chapter 2. Referendum initiative.
                14 Article. Referendum initiative

                1. The referendum initiative belongs to:
                1) to at least two million citizens of the Russian Federation eligible to participate in a referendum, provided that no more than 50 thousand of them live in the territory of one constituent entity of the Russian Federation or in aggregate outside the territory of the Russian Federation;
                2) to the Constitutional Assembly - in the case provided for by part 3 of article 135 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation;
                3) to federal bodies of state power - in cases provided for by the international treaty of the Russian Federation and this Federal Constitutional Law.

                According to the letter of the law, the president cannot initiate a referendum and cannot cancel it. He can only appoint a date. hi
                1. Claymore
                  Claymore 17 November 2018 23: 32
                  +3
                  Quote: Boris55
                  According to the letter of the law, the president cannot initiate a referendum

                  Why do Kobov sectarians constantly lie, and do it to the extreme primitive?

                  Reread the 3rd paragraph of your copy-paste.
          2. S.V.YU
            S.V.YU 17 November 2018 21: 19
            +4
            What a king, such and boyars!
        2. Karabin
          Karabin 17 November 2018 19: 51
          +13
          Quote: Boris55
          On many issues, the prosecutor’s office is more opposed to the president than it helps, since the laws adopted by the Duma contribute to this state of affairs.

          Reading your posts, Boris, it seems that our 76% of the guarantor is in a perverted form, with special cynicism, everyone is not lazy. Medvedev appointed by him, deputies from the pro-presidential EdR, judges whose appointment without the signature of a first person is impossible, prosecutors and other bureaucratic officials. You described the collapse of the country's governance system. It remains to rename Vladimir to Nicholas II, put on the train and at some kind of stop stop ask to sign the abdication.
      3. Severok
        Severok 17 November 2018 14: 31
        +9
        And I would like someone to ask Putin a question about such people during his many "open lines", "meetings with voters" or just pre-conferences.

        It is useless to ask the darkest questions. He will not answer them directly, because does not want to answer questions that deeply worry people. How many did not look "straight lines" - he always blabs the topic. Leaves an answer, but those who ask such sharp questions then have a hard time. The only thing he can do is promise, give a puppy and sympathize, and then, with tripled strength, not see how his henchmen spread rot against the people.
        1. Giants
          Giants 17 November 2018 15: 46
          +14
          Quote: Severok
          How many did not look "straight lines" - he always blabs the topic. Leaves the answer

          With uncomfortable questions, he always squinted his eyes somewhere to the side. Is always! And this is a sign that people are lying!
    3. domokl
      domokl 17 November 2018 06: 59
      +19
      Quote: Bull Terrier
      In many cities, these guys live now and they have no such plan of problems.

      An interesting approach. Many live, and why did they decide to ramp up this militia or what they are called there today in a Ukrainian prison? That is precisely our trouble, that after thousands we do not see one or two. Forest chopped wood chips fly ...
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 07: 12
        -16
        That is the point. Such cases need to be clarified. But do not squeeze out of the finger of this system, which is not.
      2. your1970
        your1970 19 November 2018 13: 02
        0
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        In many cities, these guys live now and they have no such plan of problems.

        An interesting approach. Many live, and why did they decide to ramp up this militia or what they are called there today in a Ukrainian prison? That is precisely our trouble, that after thousands we do not see one or two. Forest chopped wood chips fly ...
        -because this particular person has not taken action to legitimize his presence in our territory. He would have taken it if he had lived ...
    4. saigon
      saigon 17 November 2018 07: 01
      +27
      Yes, one or two cases is not an indicator, a fraction of a percent is a statistical error of what to talk about. This is only the surrender of people, specific people, to a hostile state.
      A Russian judge gives a person hostile to a Russian state to reprisal, and if for someone this person is a terrorist then the questions arise are not simple. Can we start to take those who were in Transnistria, Artsakh and elsewhere?
      Such questions and what are the answers.
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 07: 15
        -27
        Let's in fact. Is there a mercenary law? Is there extradition at the request of criminals on both sides of the contract? Has someone violated some points of our legislation? I am sure that no. Thousands of people who have gone through this conflict live in the country. And in fact, each can either plant or issue. There is no such thing ?!
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 17 November 2018 08: 58
          +24
          Let's in fact. Is there a mercenary law? Is there extradition at the request of criminals on both sides of the contract?
          Can you imagine the difference between a mercenary and a militia combatant? Apparently vaguely. Combatants - persons who are part of the armed forces of the state, as well as volunteer units, militia units, partisans, members of the resistance movement, people who took up arms when the armed forces of another state invade their territory. In armed conflict, only combatants are given the right to use military force


          The militiaman also differs from a mercenary in that he goes to fight (to help, carry humanitarian aid, take the sick and wounded to Russia, etc.) not for money, in most cases spending his own money. (For me in 4 months, it took about 300 thousand from family budget)
          1. Bull Terrier
            Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 09: 17
            -12
            You do not understand me. What does the comparison have to do with it? Those who initiate such cases under the law are right. And although humanly they would give birth after birth, but they do not violate the laws
            1. Egor-dis
              Egor-dis 18 November 2018 07: 55
              +7
              Quote: Bull Terrier
              Those who initiate such cases under the law are right.

              By law, Ukraine has denounced a friendship and cooperation agreement with Russia. Accordingly, the extradition treaty is FSE.
              By law (even if the previous paragraph is not taken into account). There must be evidence base, at least proof that the suspect was indeed hired, really participated in the hostilities and really received money for it. Is there evidence base?
              According to the law (taking into account the previous paragraph), if LDNR is officially considered to be the territory of Ukraine, who prevents it from deporting / extraditing there?
              1. Wizzzard
                Wizzzard 19 November 2018 18: 20
                0
                Here, finally, someone noted the key point, after which all bull terriers should stop barking:
                participated in the fighting and really got paid for it

                He fought for money - a mercenary. He fought for the life of family and friends - a warrior. And, I will note, the RUSSIAN (as opposed to the "Russian" lawyers) is a warrior.
        2. Nehist
          Nehist 17 November 2018 09: 11
          +17
          Under the law on mercenarism, all so-called vacationers must be surrendered !!! What did you learn at the school? Who gave you epaulettes?
          1. Bull Terrier
            Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 09: 20
            -13
            Well, it’s as if I hadn’t finished the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs))) and what have vacationers to do with it?
          2. S.V.YU
            S.V.YU 17 November 2018 21: 23
            0
            To whom to hand over? SBU?
    5. Viktor Shpachak
      Viktor Shpachak 17 November 2018 07: 34
      +18
      Sorry, but now you look like Mykola Veresnya. There is such a Russophobe on the Poroshenko channel. When Vilkul said that 22 cities in Ukraine without heating, he "spat" in the face of millions of Ukrainians. We have over a thousand cities in Ukraine and what are 22 cities- Veresen said. Is it normal?
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 08: 30
        -12
        Actually, the meaning of my words is different. Read the article carefully. I argue that this is almost called the norm, but I say these are isolated cases to which we must respond. Not government policy, but cockroaches in the heads of individuals on the ground. But legit.
    6. Moore
      Moore 17 November 2018 07: 44
      +34
      Quote: Bull Terrier
      One question is how many people with such a biography and Russia is located and how many have done so?

      How do you like the story of the Riga OMON fighters redeployed to Tyumen? Those who defended the political system in Soviet Latvia?
      With the knowledge of the Russian authorities, the Latvian “capture group” secretly arrived in Tyumen from Riga. A warrant for the arrest and deportation of Riga riot police to Latvia was sanctioned by Russian Attorney General Valentin Stepankov and Russian Interior Minister General Andrei Dunaev. On the eve of the "capture of Riga" they were secretly warned about this by police well-wishers from Moscow. And the Kremlin-displaced migrants managed to go underground, and soon to disperse wherever.
      Only Sergei Parfyonov did not try to hide - he was arrested in Surgut and deported to Latvia.
      What is this conversation about? Naturally, there are few such cases - by definition there can be many of them. Here the fact is that when an alternative arises: inconvenience or, God save, danger for your beloved own bossy ass - the current leaders of reverse selection calmly go to the betrayal of subordinates. Lieutenant Arakcheev and old Khudyakov will not let you lie.
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 08: 31
        -6
        Sure. I’m talking about this.
    7. New Year day
      New Year day 17 November 2018 08: 49
      +24
      Quote: Bull Terrier
      Why make a system out of rare cases?

      So such a fighter is not the only one - there is no time to scour the Internet. The question is in the other, we send the "north wind" with one hand, and with the other hand, are we issuing them to the SBU?
      Is it hypocrisy?
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 08: 58
        -8
        I did not say the only one. I said isolated cases. The warriors there appear on TV, participate in talk shows, are treated here. Does someone send them? Arresting?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 17 November 2018 10: 13
          +19
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          I said isolated cases

          Georgy Fedorov (Public Chamber), 2017:
          Several dozen cases have already beenwhen they tried to deport such people from Russia, and only thanks to public intervention did they manage to avoid it. After all, we understand that falling into the hands of the Ukrainian authorities is a real risk to their life and health.
          1. Consultant
            Consultant 17 November 2018 10: 32
            -20
            Quote: Silvestr
            Several dozen cases have already been

            How many thousand

            Quote: Silvestr
            such people

            Do you have any math? wink
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 17 November 2018 10: 34
              +22
              and dozens are not people? Consumables? YOU, of course, are not among them! You are above all!
              1. Consultant
                Consultant 17 November 2018 10: 44
                -19
                Quote: Silvestr
                and dozens are not people? Consumables?

                Stop. Not so zealously. Neither Bull Terrier nor I said this. And your speculation is only your speculation.

                I just think these cases are single system failures. You - that this is the system. Since the statistics are against your opinion (there are thousands of "such people" whom no one expels anywhere, live for themselves, and live), you begin to press not emotions. In vain, here we are just not opponents, I completely agree, for example, with this:

                Quote: Bull Terrier
                Those who initiate such cases under the law are right. And although humanly would give them after birth, but they don’t violate the laws

                Like this...
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 17 November 2018 10: 50
                  +19
                  Quote: Consultant
                  these cases are single system failures

                  tens against thousands are single. But once - an accident, two - a coincidence, three - a pattern ...
                  Quote: Consultant
                  You start to push not emotions.

                  not at all. The laws are like that.
                  1. Consultant
                    Consultant 17 November 2018 10: 59
                    -17
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    once - randomness, two - coincidence, three - regularity ...

                    This is demagoguery. In the case, conventionally, "one in a thousand or two", "three" is not a "regularity".

                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Quote: Consultant
                    You start to push not emotions.

                    not at all.

                    But where is "not at all"?

                    Quote: Silvestr
                    and dozens are not people? Consumables? YOU, of course, are not among them! You are above all!

                    Solid emotion, zero constructive ...

                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Laws are

                    I already wrote about the laws to you, I won’t repeat myself.
      2. LMN
        LMN 17 November 2018 09: 26
        -19
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        Why make a system out of rare cases?

        So such a fighter is not the only one - there is no time to scour the Internet. The question is in the other, we send the "north wind" with one hand, and with the other hand, are we issuing them to the SBU?
        Is it hypocrisy?

        No, not lecimeter.
        And leave me alone. We got the right ...
        Everybody owes something.
        Nothing and no one should the Russian Federation am
        This guy fought for "his" Motherland, for the DNR! Respect to him! Why the Russian Federation should give him an apartment, I don't understand ...
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 17 November 2018 10: 40
          +19
          Quote: LMN
          Why Russia should give him an apartment, I don’t understand ...

          we are talking about accusing him of terrorism and extradition to Ukraine. And than. if you follow your logic, then all the local LDNR in Russia need to create the maximum inconvenience?
          1. Detective
            Detective 17 November 2018 14: 02
            -8
            Quote: Silvestr
            and dozens are not people? Consumables? YOU, of course, are not among them! You are above all!

            Sylvester, I don’t understand something, but didn’t you here repeatedly criticize the position of Russia regarding aid to the LDNR, well, in the sense of "this is the outbreak of war and we need this, the affairs of the Ukrainians, the Ukrainian business, etc." in short, if the train is standing still, you need to close the curtains and imagine that we are going, but it will somehow resolve itself?!?! Or the position can be changed just to criticize the authorities?!?! Hitrooooooo ...
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 17 November 2018 14: 07
              +13
              Quote: Detective
              Sylvester, I don’t understand something, but have you repeatedly criticized the position of Russia regarding assistance to LDNR

              no, Igor, everything is simple. What was possible in the 14th is impossible any more. The train left.
              There are no levers to Kiev, the West is pushing and will push, and any attempt to change anything worsens the state of the country's economy. The strength of a country is determined by the economy, not the sun.
              Unfortunately, it will not go away by itself. But I have a vague anxiety that the LDNR is a big gameand the people in it are pawns.
              1. Detective
                Detective 17 November 2018 14: 12
                -8
                What are you ?! And in LDNR, despite the whole screech of the West, the election was held the other day ... Putin did so very clearly, again, despite all this howl and threats, he unequivocally spoke out in support of the Donbass ... Do you say no leverage? If there were no levers, there would be no LDNR and an combat-ready army of LDNR ... This is also the economy!)
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 17 November 2018 14: 14
                  +11
                  Quote: Detective
                  And in LDNR, in spite of the whole screech of the West, the elections were held the other day.

                  so, what is next?
                  Quote: Detective
                  Putin is generally very clear, again, despite all this howl and threats, he unequivocally spoke out in support of the Donbass

                  he also says that Donbass is part of Ukraine
                  Quote: Detective
                  If there were no levers, there would be no LDNR and an combat-ready army of LDNR.

                  whose money? and since when are the sun economies? what do they produce?
                  1. Captain45
                    Captain45 17 November 2018 18: 06
                    +6
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    what do they produce?

                    If you are talking about the DPR, then I can say. This is not the first time I have taken in "Magnet" canned food "Stewed Pork" made in the city of Makeevka, and I noticed that the label of the jar issued in 2016 indicates the city of Makeevka, Donetsk region, and on the bank of 2017, the city of Makeevka, DNR. By the way, good canned food. So, buy a stew - support the DNR economy!
              2. Consultant
                Consultant 17 November 2018 14: 23
                -11
                Quote: Silvestr
                There are no levers to Kiev, the West is pushing and will push, and any attempt to change anything worsens the state of the country's economy. The strength of a country is determined by the economy, not the sun

                "The strength of the country" is determined by many things, including the Armed Forces. But the economy is primary, here you are right. By the way, does Ukraine still have an "economy"? laughing

                "Levers to Kiev" - yes, quite economic. And they won't go anywhere in the foreseeable future.

                The circus had the role of "white clown". This is a sad clown. But I wonder what color a sad Internet troll should be? Do you have a mirror over there? wink
        2. asv363
          asv363 17 November 2018 11: 40
          +13
          Quote: LMN
          Why Russia should give him an apartment, I don’t understand ...

          According to the materials (court decision), there was no talk of any apartment. Venediktov asked for asylum in Russia.
          https://bsr.sudrf.ru/bigs/showDocument.html#id=1_a99033c1cac7d0e2168c4a3fa5614b30&shard=Все дела&from=p&r={"query":"Венедиктов Магнитогорский Правобережный","type":"QUERY","mode":"SIMPLE","sorts":[{"field":"score","order":"desc"}],"simpleSearchFieldsBundle":"default00"}
          1. LMN
            LMN 17 November 2018 17: 30
            0
            Quote: asv363
            Quote: LMN
            Why Russia should give him an apartment, I don’t understand ...

            According to the materials (court decision), there was no talk of any apartment. Venediktov asked for asylum in Russia.
            https://bsr.sudrf.ru/bigs/showDocument.html#id=1_a99033c1cac7d0e2168c4a3fa5614b30&shard=Все дела&from=p&r={"query":"Венедиктов Магнитогорский Правобережный","type":"QUERY","mode":"SIMPLE","sorts":[{"field":"score","order":"desc"}],"simpleSearchFieldsBundle":"default00"}

            I will tell you based on my experience.
            My wife and I did not wait for any "special" circumstances. We spent money and time, but made my daughter Russian citizenship. In Germany, there was no need for this, I emphasize again.
            Why a person being in the Russian Federation, until the last did not bother about his status, I can not understand request So far, apparently, the circumstances have not baked.
            Is Russia a bomb shelter or something?

            I have other examples. When a man from Kiev, after the Maidan, he moved to St. Petersburg. He went through all these procedures and ultimately received Russian citizenship.
            What's the problem?
      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 17 November 2018 10: 15
        +11
        Quote: Silvestr
        So such a fighter is not the only one - there is no time to scour the Internet. The question is in the other, we send the "north wind" with one hand, and with the other hand, are we issuing them to the SBU?
        Is it hypocrisy?

        Member of the State Duma of the Russian Federation E.A. Primakov believes that this is not hypocrisy, but betrayal, about which he made a deputy request to the FSB director A.V. Bortnikov. for clarification and adoption of measures in relation to the FSB of Chelyabinsk. The story goes on ..... Here is more
        https://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/2569186.html
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 17 November 2018 10: 43
          +17
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          it’s not hypocrisy, but betrayal,

          that's it. It is impossible to speak and praise the heroes of the LDNR with one hand, and with the other, as soon as they enter the territory of the Russian Federation, issue them to the SBU.
          If this happens according to our laws, it means bad laws and they need to be changed. But the Duma has no time - "the country's economy is being raised"
          1. Consultant
            Consultant 17 November 2018 10: 52
            -18
            Quote: Silvestr
            You can’t speak and praise the heroes of LDNR with one hand, and with the other, as soon as they get to the territory of the Russian Federation, issue them to the SBU

            You twist again. Your "as soon as" suggests mass issuance Heroes of LDNR SBU. They are not here.

            Quote: Silvestr
            it means bad laws and they need to be changed

            If a gasket flows in your faucet, do you change the whole mixer?

            Normal laws. Application sometimes ... not the best.

            Quote: Silvestr
            only the Duma has no time - "the country's economy is being raised"

            Trollim s? wink
            1. Black sniper
              Black sniper 17 November 2018 12: 55
              +8
              Normal laws. Application sometimes ... not the best.
              ------------------------------
              The law is a sound, it cannot be applied badly or well, it can only be fulfilled or not! In general, for the adoption of such laws you need to be planted for a long time !!! am
              1. Consultant
                Consultant 17 November 2018 13: 11
                -10
                Quote: Black Sniper
                The law is a sound, it cannot be applied badly or well

                Smoke the phrase "law enforcement" to begin with. Think about why a lawyer is in court. And why the prosecutor, by the way. Then come in wink

                Quote: Black Sniper
                for the adoption of such laws need to be planted

                What kind of "such"?
          2. Bull Terrier
            Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 12: 52
            -2
            Again ... thousands live and have no problems. Several people received them. Doesn’t it seem strange to you yourself? If bad laws, why don't they touch the rest? Can you explain? Personally, I think those who violate the laws of the Russian Federation fall under the hand, and do it brazenly. Well, the human factor.
      4. Halado Romane
        Halado Romane 17 November 2018 14: 07
        -5
        Well, if there is no time, maybe not write at all ?! Try to still indicate who exactly was issued by the SBU by the Russian side? Otherwise, people will simply consider you a liar, will not respect or even say hello ... Do you care about those around you? Or is it okay?
    8. Topgun
      Topgun 17 November 2018 12: 45
      +8
      you do not know how many of these guys there are, how many of them asked for citizenship, how many were satisfied, how many were refused, but stupidly say out of thin air that everything is fine, maybe you know, but specifically in this comment of yours it is stupid "feeling" ...
      it's like writing a comment: I look out the window - everything is fine (everything is bad) ...
      And yet (IMHO) in such matters there are no "isolated cases", their appearance indicates either the absence of state policy or the weakness, inadequacy of the authorities in its implementation ...
    9. Detective
      Detective 17 November 2018 13: 18
      -4
      How did the author (I don’t even want to pronounce his last name) find out about the Crab Eating Crabs hoe ?! Investigation conducted? In what kind of unit did the FSIN infiltrate and carry out complex work, where did it expose corrupt officials? Yes, of course not! He stupidly watched TV. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th channels. Yes Yes! State channels through which this outrage was indignantly reported! Result - The hoe in the pre-trial detention center with the administration of the correctional institution is investigated by the Prosecutor's Office and the Investigative Committee, and the author is indignant and wants to know why the state has informed him of this! And how do you like all this ?! There is simply a norm i.e. things are normal for the state and society, there are things that are not the norm from here and action. Well, there is just speculation! Yes, that's right, you can speculate not only with clothes but also with information!
      About Philip Venediktov. There are scum, there are indifferent people, there are simply enemies. Unfortunately, we have it all. The author will not write to you about this - I will. State Duma deputies suspected at least incompetence, mostly of betrayal of the FSB officers and the judge who accused the militia and the decision maker ... State Duma deputy Yevgeny Primakov sent an appeal to FSB Director Bortnikov. Moreover, Primakov made an appeal - "... I believe that what they are doing is not a mistake, but a betrayal. If this is a lie and slander, then let the punishment find those who spread it!" Do you know why all this is happening? But precisely because there is a norm, but for our state such a norm is not! And speculation on these topics will never be the norm for us!
      Didn’t offend anyone with my comments, dear? And then erase well, just instantly! Is censorship like that these days ?! Let me remind you - not the 37th year in the yard.
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 13: 26
        -2
        Although my plus sign is now interrupted by minuses, but nonetheless) you managed to cross into words what I had in my thoughts without mats)
        1. Detective
          Detective 17 November 2018 13: 38
          -3
          Thank. The truth will find its way. Moreover, the truth is easy and pleasant to say. And as for the minuses, one comrade asked me yesterday - how is it that everyone is minus you, they are minus and they will not be minus! Funny people with virtual titles! My not a virtual rank is lieutenant colonel, well, how can they minus him! wink
          1. Halado Romane
            Halado Romane 17 November 2018 13: 51
            -8
            Both of you have pluses from me guys! Keep it up. In our village in the Leningrad Region, two families of militias live. One has already received citizenship. Everyone respects them! And I’m sure they’ll figure it out. Well, for the Russian position they put cons here! Well bet. Scared a hedgehog ...
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 17 November 2018 14: 02
            +2
            Quote: Detective
            My not virtual rank is lieutenant colonel

            need to align- "+"
            1. Detective
              Detective 17 November 2018 14: 13
              -4
              Thank you, everything goes to this! wink Keep silent in advance from modesty ...
    10. akula
      akula 17 November 2018 15: 13
      +9
      The article is not about a specific case, but about the corruption and corruption of the whole system, starting from the head. Everything from top to bottom has rotted and prays only one idol and his name is money. We will continue this way, we will remain without money and without a homeland. As gypsies we will roam around the world.
    11. S.V.YU
      S.V.YU 17 November 2018 21: 14
      0
      There is a precedent! Now, at the request of the SBU, they will begin to extradite militias! The Kremlin is NOT ABLE to protect its citizens. (how many ships were captured there on Azov) ,, aliens, and even ,, terrorists ,, all the more they do not need!
    12. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 19 November 2018 05: 25
      +2
      Quote: Bull Terrier
      Why make a system out of rare cases? And what is more scary so to invent this system?

      You know, this is a real system. Tsepovyaz, this is from the village of Kushevskaya, when a large family was slaughtered in front of a living owner and thrown into a large pile, and then not all still dead people, including a live 9-month-old girl, were doused with gasoline and set on fire. Tsapovyaz - the right hand of the leader of the gang. He served half the term. If he comes out, where is the guarantee that another fire from people will not burn?
      I think the author has not fully revealed the topic .. If today to clean this system, then the number of repressions of 37 years can not do
    13. Shurale
      Shurale 19 November 2018 07: 29
      0
      Recently, Ukrainian television discussed the issue that about twenty cities were left without heat, to which one of the commentators said that this was less than a percent of the total number of cities in Ukraine and there was nothing to discuss. You are apparently mindful with this commentator. laughing
    14. Faceless
      Faceless 20 November 2018 15: 30
      0
      Quote: Bull Terrier
      One question is how many people with such a biography and Russia is located and how many have done so? What is the ratio? Half a percent, a hundredth part? Why make a system out of rare cases? And what is more scary so to invent this system?


      After reading the article, I had other questions: how does the author of the article know all the details about Tsepovyaz and Venediktov?

      On the first, verification activities have not yet been completed. Yes, there are good reasons to believe that not everything is going smoothly in the colony, but nevertheless, this is not a reason to fantasize out of the blue. Take the example of "Rossiyskaya Gazeta": there, before writing something, the facts are checked and awaited for the results, and not speculating.

      About Venediktov - generally a mystery covered in darkness. The author personally got acquainted with the case materials, including the final decision, which is not yet in principle? The author knows better than the FSB and the court what exactly Venediktov did, and what punishment he deserves, or, conversely, does not deserve? The author is sure that all Venediktov’s misadventures are connected with the described episode (although, where does this information come from, in principle, can he have)?

      And in the end, as always, the life-motive of this author: VV Putin is to blame for everything. This time without an emphasis on the fact that he is personally to blame, but still.

      About the very lame and inappropriate in the context of Tsepovyaz and Venediktov comparison with 1937 and I.V. Stalin I will not even comment.

      Instead of a summary: probably every opinion has a right to exist. Freedom of speech in the Russian Federation is a constitutional guarantee. Just let’s not confuse personal opinion mixed with fantasies with analytics. The last in the article is missing as such.
  3. oracul
    oracul 17 November 2018 06: 50
    +17
    The fact that a person’s fate sometimes depends on the good / dishonesty of judges, especially on the ground, suggests that in recent years the judicial system has been filled, to put it mildly, with not very professional employees, who, being covered by their status, feel quite comfortable in accepting strange decisions. For me personally, this is surprising, given that both Putin and Medvedev, lawyers by training, and even that the judicial system should be an example of how it should work, protecting the interests of the state and people. Alas! Recently, examples of how peculiar decisions are made by the courts have become more frequent. And the fate of Venediktov confirms that it is time to restore order in this area.
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 07: 15
      -15
      And what is legally wrong there?
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      2. New Year day
        New Year day 17 November 2018 08: 54
        +12
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        And what is legally wrong there?

        then volunteers and not volunteers in LDNR are illegal
        1. Consultant
          Consultant 17 November 2018 09: 09
          -15
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          And what is legally wrong there?

          then volunteers and not volunteers in LDNR are illegal

          This is from what, excuse me, a stump? Where is the logic?
    2. Rimlianin
      Rimlianin 17 November 2018 07: 51
      -14
      Are you a lawyer? Do you know the judicial system closely? More competent judges in professional terms, what would judge their professionalism? Or just a couch expert?
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 08: 32
        -8
        Not. Why boil on the usual question? I don’t know, so I asked. If there is a violation of the law, I will know.
        1. Rimlianin
          Rimlianin 17 November 2018 09: 54
          -6
          I am not for you, but for the oracle. Probably answered the wrong post. Litter then.
  4. LMN
    LMN 17 November 2018 07: 08
    -10
    How much has already been spent in total, paper, megabytes, time and nerves,
    ..and
    blacks

    Roman, I’ve been living in Germany for 10 years and my military ID is stored in the military registration and enlistment office of Leninsky district, Magnitogorsk.
    For these 10 years, the consulate of the Russian Federation has never framed or failed me yes

    You need to see what happened to this guy .. I don't believe that they just took him and "swallowed" him ..
    1. LMN
      LMN 17 November 2018 09: 54
      -4
      Have you already broken information on me in Magnitogorsk?)
      Successfully?
  5. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 17 November 2018 07: 15
    +10
    I read it with pleasure to the end and was pleasantly surprised recalling your last article. Very good topics are revealed and very relevant. This time I agree with you - something in our government is wrong, something does not make ends meet. We declare one thing, but in reality it turns out quite another, in fact it turns out by Chubais.
  6. Rimlianin
    Rimlianin 17 November 2018 07: 47
    -13
    The author manipulates the facts. From the text of the article it seems that Venediktova is being issued by the FSB almost at the request of the SBU in connection with allegations of participation in the militia. But it is modestly silent that Venediktov was banned from entering Russia because of a violation of migration legislation. A man, being a foreign citizen, simply entered the country and did not much worry about how to legalize here, to obtain a residence permit, citizenship. Although it is certainly not necessary to give it to Ukraine in any case. The maximum is to be transferred to the DPR authorities. Although how to do this if Russia did not recognize the DPR, and he is a Ukrainian citizen? We cannot accept him as a refugee either, since Ukraine has not officially recognized Ukraine as a warring state, as well as Syria. Complicated. He would now turn to the Commissioner for Human Rights better, Moskalkova is a good person and has leverage.
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 17 November 2018 08: 35
      -14
      That's actually the only correct option, plus the situation has become clear. As the author thought, he sucked the topic out of his finger.
    2. Forestol
      Forestol 17 November 2018 09: 47
      +12
      no, just the ruling class in Russia cannot openly declare that they have different goals with the people.
      1. Wizzzard
        Wizzzard 19 November 2018 18: 31
        0
        the ruling class in Russia cannot openly declare that they have different goals with the people

        Well, how can it not? And maybe he declares. As with words, even more often with deeds.
    3. Black sniper
      Black sniper 17 November 2018 13: 10
      +2
      The maximum is to be transferred to the DPR authorities. Although how to do this if Russia did not recognize the DPR, and he is a Ukrainian citizen?
      ----------------------------
      Duck in LDN has long had his passports of the DNI and LC, who prevents him from becoming a citizen of LDNR the more he fought for New Russia. hi
      1. Rimlianin
        Rimlianin 17 November 2018 14: 14
        +3
        You did not understand. Upon administrative expulsion, a foreign citizen is expelled by law to the state of which he is a citizen. Consequently, a citizen of Ukraine is sent to Ukraine. There is no such state of LDNR. At least for the Russian Federation.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 17 November 2018 07: 51
    +17
    To whom is the prison, to whom the mother is dear ... Compare the accusations against N. Savchenko and Venediktov, the brain really breaks ... Here we play, we don’t play here, but a greasy stain, the fish was wrapped ...
    1. atos_kin
      atos_kin 17 November 2018 09: 10
      +9
      Quote: parusnik
      ... Compare the allegations against N. Savchenko and Venediktov, the brain is really torn ...

      "The brain breaks" when the author compares examples from the era of Comrade. Stalin and from the time of thieves' capitalism. You cannot compare the leader and the leader, a lump with roadside dust.
  8. demo
    demo 17 November 2018 07: 56
    +23
    I missed you without Roman.
    As there is no day or two article, so worried.
    In fact.
    The country - Russia, has come a long enough way since the collapse of the USSR for servicemen (FSB, Ministry of Internal Affairs, courts) to understand where their place is, who should be "grabbed and not let go."
    The servant (and they are the servant) understands who is more dangerous for them - such as Venidiktov, or such as Tsepovyaz !?
    If nothing can be taken from the first, then the second will give them as much as they require.
    And if his first class enemy, then his second brother in spirit.
    That's how we got to the strain and our consciousness.
    And this ceases to excite us and does not lead to a state of indignation.
    Good luck to Venediktov. Fighters with a clear conscience must not perish.
    1. Nikolay R
      Nikolay R 17 November 2018 09: 55
      -8
      Nothing has come. Such as Tsepovyaz and under Stalin were considered socially close.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 17 November 2018 08: 16
    +6
    A difficult topic, although one thing is clear, the politics and interests of the ruling are not what we will praise them for.
    Difficult .... only to hand over it is authentic!
  10. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 17 November 2018 08: 16
    +3
    How much has been spent all, paper, megabytes, time and nerves to prove to the authorities that the betrayal of those who are fighting precisely for the Russian world’s idea of ​​the Russian world is treachery and meanness?

    Even children understand:
    This is not a royal matter - to tear oneself away from the people ...
    [media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = moFOUPnWEvo]
  11. Solomon
    Solomon 17 November 2018 08: 24
    -12
    Skomorokhov knows how to write tricky articles .. It seems to be right, but at the same time it’s boring at heart ..
    But, what should be especially noted, the men, in his profile it says so " In this country something needs to be changed .. "Not in OUR, but in this one .. Please pay special attention before praising and arranging dances .. I have the honor! soldier
  12. bald
    bald 17 November 2018 08: 30
    +11
    We are mired in swinishness, this is such indifference, although I just said something stupid. Our people, not without freaks of course in the family, which are, again, not all executive and governing bodies, have never been indifferent to any trouble, but they will always share their last piece of bread. And here it is, it would be good to deal with this matter, it is possible to endorse the inconsistency and dismissal, oh yes, "mutual responsibility", and who needs it.
    1. LMN
      LMN 17 November 2018 08: 37
      -2
      Quote: bald
      We are mired in swinishness, this is such indifference, although I just said something stupid. Our people, not without freaks of course in the family, which are, again, not all executive and governing bodies, have never been indifferent to any trouble, but they will always share their last piece of bread. And here it is, it would be good to deal with this matter, it is possible to endorse the inconsistency and dismissal, oh yes, "mutual responsibility", and who needs it.

      You decide already! yes
      1. bald
        bald 17 November 2018 10: 21
        +4
        You, pay attention to the arrangement of commas, I do not put them from the bulldozer and when reading, specifically in this comment of mine, they play an important role.
  13. akudr48
    akudr48 17 November 2018 08: 31
    0
    The President announced - and then at least do not dawn ...
  14. Forestol
    Forestol 17 November 2018 09: 18
    -1
    The entire article, as a symbol of complete misunderstanding by most unique events since 1936. Complete isolation by all non-specialists of historical events in one country for 10 years. At a minimum, these are obvious Trotskyists who remained in the governing bodies at all levels. Plus, various groups of military commanders who have been created since the Civil War. And I would remind you that half the world financed before and after the revolutions of 1917 the huge landing of the Zionists, who are in the forefront of the Bolsheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries, Narodnaya Volya and all revolutionary forces. Their common goal was the creation of a new Khazaria, with Jewish patricians and plebeians natives. Even Lenin managed to sign the Concession to Crimea, resettle several hundred Jewish families in Crimea, and among the first shareholder concessionaires was the Roosevelt family. And the whole country rolled precisely into this New Khazaria, until, suddenly, a simple secretary, Stalin, appeared, who began, with the hands of the “Khazarians," according to Gumilyov, to destroy this entire layer of "Khazarians" in power, plus those Shgboys who were at the same time. And then the executioners of their Khazars were destroyed, the same Yezhov, Yagoda ... And my firm opinion is that it is precisely for this that they hate Stalin all over the world. And the fact that there is a clear rollback in all CIS countries, the revenge of the “Khazarians”, that Russia, in the 90s, that Ukraine are clear leaders ..
    1. AUL
      AUL 17 November 2018 18: 03
      +4
      Is this all about what now?
  15. steelmaker
    steelmaker 17 November 2018 09: 37
    +10
    What Putin says, the government and officials do with precision on the turn! Don't you notice it? And they will not be anything for it. Putin say that it is guilty, only the court decides not guilty, and officials and policemen can appoint the guilty without a court. The latest news about housing and communal services debts to whom they want to beat out to entrust? In general, I have the opinion that the authorities are trying as much as possible to spoil people who at least have come across something that will understand me.
    1. LMN
      LMN 17 November 2018 09: 44
      -1
      Quote: steel maker
      What Putin says, the government and officials do with precision on the turn! Don't you notice it? And they will not be anything for it. Putin say that it is guilty, only the court decides not guilty, and officials and policemen can appoint the guilty without a court. The latest news about housing and communal services debts to whom they want to beat out to entrust? In general, I have the opinion that the authorities are trying as much as possible to spoil people who at least have come across something that will understand me.

      What Putin says, the government and officials do with precision on the turn!

      Apparently this is so .. yes
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 17 November 2018 11: 56
      +5
      Quote: steel maker
      In general, I have the opinion that the government is trying to spoil people as much as possible

      If they start voicing and explaining their affairs one hundred percent, then the people will immediately understand why the authorities settled and bred, and why our economy is shrinking from year to year. I'm afraid that the purge of 2024 will not be limited. It will take a long time to remove this infection, and the cleanliness of power in relation to the people will not be the most serious sin.
  16. naidas
    naidas 17 November 2018 09: 46
    +7
    Well, the nobles in the Republic of Ingushetia, the punishment after the conviction also served with benefits, Tsepovyaz from the nobles of Russia of the 21st century.
    And the example of Venediktov shows who these nobles are with. Ukrainian nobles are closer than their slaves.
  17. Xazarin
    Xazarin 17 November 2018 10: 17
    +3
    Forgive generously, but the article is weak. All mixed up people, horses. More like a comment than an article. What the Author wanted to convey personally, I still did not understand, I’m stupid probably.
  18. Sige
    Sige 17 November 2018 10: 24
    +9
    All accomplices of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Security Service of Ukraine in the civil service in Russia must be fired at least with a wolf ticket, and the maximum sent to counterintelligence.
    And for the time being it seems that Russia is the same American colony as Ukraine.
  19. Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 November 2018 10: 36
    +5
    I don’t understand, what kind of idiocy is this and where do our thinkers look or doesn’t allow us to reason with our pockets?
  20. vanavatny
    vanavatny 17 November 2018 11: 20
    +10
    in Germany some time ago it was customary to hand over Jews to death, what to do: the law is ... and about ufsin: recently a friend came out (not a friend, not a brother), while there were no communication problems, he didn’t send crabs on the video, but you can live in general ... by the way, what do you think, where do people from all over Russia get calls from scammers? not only from the zones, but last year a woman was deceived, muso ... policemen with the prosecutor’s office exchanged paper in response to the statement until the deadline for the transaction request, fraudsters with money, the woman had minus 30 tr, and about the crime committed even there is no data in the statistics that I didn’t know the call from the zone (I don’t seem to remember from somewhere near Irkutsk) to find out without difficulty and special expenses, at the same time establishing that this is not an isolated case, to put it mildly. You can consider all this as my fantasies, although was Putin talking about parasites in uniform at last year’s TV show? Remember this: I sometimes DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THESE ... However, a number of forum users are actively convincing us that this is not a systemic crisis, so the shortcomings on the ground ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 17 November 2018 12: 12
      +8
      Quote: vanavate
      However, a number of forum users are actively convincing us that this is not a systemic crisis - so, shortcomings in the field ...

      There are a lot of "dark places with flaws" in Russia:
      1. Solomon
        Solomon 18 November 2018 11: 13
        -3
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Quote: vanavate
        However, a number of forum users are actively convincing us that this is not a systemic crisis - so, shortcomings in the field ...

        There are a lot of "dark places with flaws" in Russia:

        Thank you from the heart laughed ..! bully
        The rest of the country is "scoops and damned" .... It is already very noticeable even on our website and is not particularly hidden .. It's sad, but what should the media "our" do.
  21. Altona
    Altona 17 November 2018 11: 29
    +8
    If we have judges with diplomas of a veterinarian, then where is it next?
    1. Giants
      Giants 17 November 2018 13: 51
      +9
      Quote: Altona
      If we have judges with diplomas of a veterinarian, then where is it next?

      She Himself appointed judge, He knows better. You can read the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation 1261 of October 25, 2002. In paragraph 3, it is mentioned.
  22. Helisky
    Helisky 17 November 2018 12: 07
    +7
    The esteemed author either does not understand or is silent that the Soviet Union transmitted to the world precisely the communist idea - an ooze of general social justice, and such an idea is supranational! Internationalism was part of the state ideology. The Spaniards cited as an example were primarily communists, like the Rosenberg spouses, like the Cambridge Five, like George Blake and a huge number of German, British, American communists, who considered the USSR as their second homeland, the earthly embodiment of the idea of ​​social justice. It was this fact that allowed the Union to have a huge number of supporters abroad. The idea of ​​the "Russian world" in bourgeois execution is of little interest to anyone, since it is narrowly national, and, as practice has shown, it is declarative through and through.
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  24. denart50
    denart50 17 November 2018 12: 52
    +5
    I am ashamed of our bureaucrats who were at the helm of those in power ... They work in the hands of ukrofashists ... And after all, the case of Venediktov is far from the first to extradite Ukrainian militia from Russian territory ... At least the extradition attempts ...
    If I had power, I would arrange the 37th year three times with a huge purge of the ranks of the bureaucrats (first of all) ...
    Well ... What did Stalin do with the participants in a congress? Praaaaavilno ....
  25. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 17 November 2018 13: 12
    +12
    If the teacher’s salary doesn’t suit you, go to business.
    If your business is squeezed out, go to court.
    If the court is unfair, go to the polls.
    If there are no normal elections, retire.
    If you have raised your retirement age, go work as a teacher.
  26. kriten
    kriten 17 November 2018 13: 19
    +9
    And here is 1937 ??? We just have an era of theft. If you have nothing to put on the scales of our justice - you are to blame. Moreover, the issue is not important, and the law often has nothing to do with it. And if the law, as in this case is against you (but for now it’s so), then its interpretation is precisely the subject of bribery. And there are many cases, but the law is not being amended; it is profitable for the authorities. HER goals in demagoguery and allotment diverge by 180 degrees.
  27. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 17 November 2018 14: 30
    +8
    But we are not in the 37th year, as the president accurately observed.

    I agree, not the 37th. And much worse. Whatever they say about Stalin, but with him, the judicial system had 88-89% of convictions, and with our 76% Guarantor - 99,64%. Acquittals in our PCA are rather a very rare exception. And just do not say that this is just a very good job of the investigating authorities ...
  28. Ber
    Ber 17 November 2018 14: 36
    +1
    I do not like cheap liars did not read further.
    It was for the collapse of that system that the Russians tore their throats and not only their throats in 1991 and 1993.


    Stop lying to the youth, only Muscovites, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians tore their throats, and Moldova (Romanian influence) is controversial

    But the majority of the inhabitants of the USSR (11 republics) voted 90% to preserve the USSR in 1991.
    In Ukraine, about 80% voted to preserve the USSR and this is a fact.

    Anyone can verify this, but in connection with such as the author now have to sweat breaking open piles of garbage.
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  30. Igoresha
    Igoresha 17 November 2018 19: 02
    0
    93-year-old veteran dies of lost apartment due to scammers
    https://lenta.ru/news/2018/11/17/sad/
  31. AleBors
    AleBors 17 November 2018 21: 20
    0
    Well, if the authorities give Venediktov SBU this will be a precedent. And it will be necessary for all those who by chance turned out to be a terrorist, separatist or accomplice to go into an illegal position.
    Alas, patriots and responsible people of power are not needed.
  32. UltraRed
    UltraRed 17 November 2018 23: 34
    0
    - How beautiful you are. It remains to add that you fought for us, that you are generally "ours".
    - Could be so. The Russian Federation, by the way, agrees with me. And his solidarity is shown by deeds - arms deliveries, protection and provision of refugees, his military specialists and a lot - by what. We hope - and the troops will enter, as expected. Will finally be decided ...
    - I see, Derkulov! Now listen to what I have to tell you. You are ideological with us. Executed for "Judas sin"! Produced martyrs for "Svidomo's faith" wherever your detachment went through a plague. But these people just wanted to live in their own country and speak their own language! Didn't you think about it ?! You, like an obsessed prophet, carried your idea. What are you to us - yours? Your postulates have never been voiced by the Russian Federation. Never! Even in the near distance - there are no such ideas. You and the same scumbags, like you, - you yourself raised the banner of jihad against the Ukrainians. Now, if this idea of ​​yours wins, then maybe in a hundred years, the rumor will make you a national hero. They may even be canonized by the middle of the third millennium. Well, not for deeds, of course, but for a death - a martyr's, which you will certainly accept very soon - you can be sure of it.

    Gleb Bobrov
    The Age of the Unborn
    novel
    Spring 2005 - Summer 2007
    The city of Lugansk.

    I sincerely hoped that the description of the extradition of militias from the Russian Federation to the Kiev regime was the main mistake in this prophetic book ......
    1. Consultant
      Consultant 17 November 2018 23: 37
      -2
      Quote: UltraRed
      I sincerely hoped that the description of the extradition of militias from the Russian Federation to the Kiev regime was the main mistake in this prophetic book ...

      Man, have you read a book? According to the book - Derkulov "surrendered" himself, on my own, so to speak, initiative ...

      And consequently, the book described here doesn’t apply in any way, no?
  33. Mestny
    Mestny 18 November 2018 02: 51
    -1
    Quote: Beringovsky
    I don’t give a damn what laws there are, okay?
    This is not my problem. Let the power itself be twisted, as you like.

    Everything, then you can not say anything.
  34. UltraRed
    UltraRed 18 November 2018 04: 03
    0
    Quote: Consultant
    Quote: UltraRed
    I sincerely hoped that the description of the extradition of militias from the Russian Federation to the Kiev regime was the main mistake in this prophetic book ...

    Man, have you read a book? According to the book - Derkulov "surrendered" himself, on my own, so to speak, initiative ...
    And consequently, the book described here doesn’t apply in any way, no?

    I read the book, but Derkulov really "surrendered himself," but the case opened by the RF Military Prosecutor's Office was already on him. Surrendered from "hopelessness" deciding to speak at the international tribunal, knowing that he would be "sued" .. And about the nuances of the attitude towards field commanders (according to the book) -
    Yes, come on, to hell with you. I still won’t give up on mine ...
    - Still would! Do not refuse! What are you and floundering. If you weren’t ready to go to Nuremberg, you would have glued fins for a long time ... - and, smiling unexpectedly, Nagubnov added: “From acute renal failure ... Even going on this, without a doubt, your last trip, keep in mind you’ll go not as a hero, but as who you really are: a disgraced battalion commander who went into a personal war with two dozen stupid from blood, enraged dogs. Initially doomed and damned, both by enemies and by their ...

    In the "current reality" the Russian Federation behaved more harshly with the West on the Ukrainian issue than in the book, and there was a hope that the attitude towards the militias would also be more adequate ...
    1. Consultant
      Consultant 18 November 2018 17: 02
      -5
      Quote: UltraRed
      Derkulov really "surrendered himself" - but the case opened by the Military Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation was already "hanging" on him

      But you don’t have to lie, Bobrov doesn’t have this.

      Quote: UltraRed
      Surrendered out of "hopelessness" and decided to speak at the international tribunal, knowing that he would be "sued" ..

      Here the truth is only about "decided to speak." So you definitely read the book? Or who told you it?

      Here, from the "Age of the Dead", read:

      “They will execute you, friend.”
      - And they’ll do it right. That's right! And twice ... First - to shoot, then - to hang ...
      - I do not understand!
      - Just. Look ... We, Eastern Little Russia, need a martyr ... Icon! Not just another torn under bombing, or beaten to death in a camp for the displaced, but a victim of international arbitrariness. The scale, understand? - Serb unsatisfiedly twisted his disfigured face ... - Come on, honestly, Dushan. Derkulov is now a celebrated field commander. Living legend of the Republic. And ... put on the international wanted list, the world famous war criminal. The executioner and the butcher. Image, as you know, that's all. On both sides of the front I have the glory - still to search. By executing me, they will create an icon. Banner of struggle. And, mind you, not only in the Confederation, but everywhere where the national interests of AI have traveled with a carpet coating. For example, about Yugoslavia?

      And where, forgive me, "from hopelessness" ??! fool

      Quote: UltraRed
      there was a hope that the attitude towards the militias would also be more adequate ...

      Go ... read a book, out of my sight negative
  35. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 18 November 2018 06: 41
    +1
    Regarding F. Venediktov, the State Duma deputy, grandson E. Primakov, made a request to the FSB director. According to the Chelyabinsk FSB and this case specifically.
  36. Larum
    Larum 18 November 2018 11: 36
    -1
    Blah bda blah
    I would like an autor to help - I would adopt.
    And so only the volume of the text drives
  37. Radikal
    Radikal 18 November 2018 13: 04
    +4
    Indeed, why the current government such citizens? Believing in the ideals of the Russian world and unwilling to reconcile with the fact that the fascist junta rules in their former homeland?
    Well, there is only one conclusion here - in words, formally, the authorities declare, and demonstrate their rejection of fascism, because there is no other way - the people will not understand yet! But, as they say, Washington (and Kiev, too) were not built right away - the reformatting of our people is proceeding at an accelerated pace! Here you and Kolya from Urengoy, memorial plaques to Mannerheim, the Vlasov Museum, Yeltsin - the center, and much more for the simple eye inconspicuous! All this resembles the approach of the situation in which Ukraine is now (or Germany on the eve of 1933). It remains to choose the right moment (in the sense of a year) when it will be necessary to "set fire to the Reichstag", then prohibit the Communist Party, other patriotic organizations, and there it is not far from the bonfires with the books of Lenin, Stalin, writers of the heroes of the WWII front-line soldiers, and the main paradox cynicism will be that this will be held under the slogans of fighting for peace and safety of ordinary citizens, and preventing a situation like ... in Ukraine! sad
  38. Dimmedroll
    Dimmedroll 18 November 2018 14: 36
    +3
    Well, why does everyone remember only the 37th year when Trotskyists were put in jails. it all started just before the Trotskyists and began to land, but at 37 they began to plant them. Well, unfortunately, there are distortions in the text and everything will always depend on the leader who is currently in power in the regions in power higher, etc. And as for the prison, the person is struck by rights and must be punished. In the same states, prisoners are not immediately restored to their rights. And here we start as in Europe, they can’t work, they have to eat well. And give other buns in prison. And not to send all the prisoners to the stone mines to bring homeland benefits, but life to the uranium mines. From a certain point of view, this is true.
  39. gsev
    gsev 18 November 2018 14: 38
    +4
    Why can’t we admit that in the ranks of the prosecutor’s office, the police, the FSB there cannot be active members and supporters of Bandera? We all remember that during the creation of Ukraine or Uzbekistan in special departments of military units or FSB bodies, the transition to these new formations was most quick and easy. I personally spoke in early 2000 with a police major and a lieutenant colonel who were proud of their ancestors who fought in Bandera underground after 1945. Moreover, one grandfather held the post of general in Bandera bespek, and after his arrest and release he terrorized the collective farm leadership so much that he was freed of all work on the collective farm.
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  41. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 19 November 2018 00: 55
    0
    Oh, we live in a fun time, read the news, somehow it turns out somehow.
    Not only have the HSE (Higher School of Economics) recently discovered Jewish sodomites, now they are asking students to write "Obituary on Putin".

    http://ruskline.ru/news_rl/2017/10/26/vot_kto_zanimaetsya_reformirovaniem_sistemy_obrazovaniya_v_rossii/
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 21 November 2018 17: 16
      0
      Well, some obituary to him, and expelled completely different. Who could have been his stronghold and made up those "86%" ratings. If I hadn't turned my ass. And there is nothing worse than disappointed expectations. They harden.
  42. L10n77
    L10n77 19 November 2018 01: 18
    +1
    Quote: Egor-dis
    Quote: Mister Creed
    Is it yesterday when the princes armed the army with their money !? Today, only the state should do this !?

    The scheme described by you in modern language is characteristic of corporatocracy, the power of corporations with their armies. And according to Russian law, such armies are called - illegal armed groups, private security companies and PMCs. And, according to history, it didn’t lead to anything good. As a result, everything had to be resolved, with the help of the people's militia, Minin and Pozharsky.

    Well, during the Second World War, even private individuals bought tanks and planes for the army, and what prevents Vekselberg or Rotenberg from buying a couple of destroyers for our Navy, or a dozen helicopters, but no, they buy yachts, palaces, football clubs.
  43. Wizzzard
    Wizzzard 19 November 2018 17: 55
    +1
    Roman is very right. The point is precisely that the authorities (nominally Russian) do not need such freedom-loving people. Why, well, yesterday he fought in the Donbass for his people and his land, but for a matter of fact ...?
    No, it is better to get out of harm's way to the fraternal authorities in Kiev (not least Ukrainian).
  44. lukewarm
    lukewarm 21 November 2018 17: 06
    0
    betrayal of those who fight precisely for the idea of ​​the Russian world voiced by Putin

    He voiced it so long ago that he probably forgot himself already. And how his charges are carrying out this idea - it would be better if he never voiced it. For the very phrase "skrepa" and "Russian world" became the object of constant mockery of the "that" side and the local liberota. And most importantly, what ideas does this phrase fill? If we give priority to justice and communality as opposed to personal success and the cult of profit "there," then how does the bureaucratic bacchanalia that has been created recently, from raising the retirement age to statements taken out of context (aha!), Fit into the concept of "Russian world"? So I affirm, to my deep disappointment, in the thought that the "Russian world" in the mouth of any government official is at least a common cliché, and worse, a fairy tale for gullible poverty like us. Sweeten the empty seagull and divert attention while rummaging in leaky pockets.