1915 year. "And let the Poles choose between us and the Germans"

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In the summer of 1915 of the year, knowing full well the sad prospect of losing Poland, the Russian command again set about creating Polish national military formations. And this time with the inclusion of prisoners. After a year and a half, this did not in the least prevent Russian politicians from being indignant about the absolutely identical actions of the German and Austrian occupation authorities.

The operational measures for the formation of Polish units almost coincided with the remarkably loyal to Poland and the Poles speech by Prime Minister Goremykin, an inveterate conservative and Russophile. What was it? The last "goodbye" or agitation, before it's too late? But of course, it was not about creating the Polish army, just under the gun were ready to put everyone you can. However, the results of great organizational work were truly deplorable. It was all to no avail, not least because it was useless: there was no longer any real opportunity to carry out kits on Polish lands.



1915 year. "And let the Poles choose between us and the Germans"

Ivan Logginovich Goremykin, perhaps the most loyal subject of the last prime ministers of the empire

And in August 1915, three Polish members of the State Council sent to their colleagues, members of the State Council and deputies of the State Duma, an extensive note on urgent measures to change the position of Poles in Russia. Among other things, it raised the issue of land tenure, which hung for Poland from 1865 on, on restrictions on state and military service, on religious issues, on language ... Very timely, isn't it?

July 23 under Art. Art. (5 August) 1915, the Russians left Warsaw. Immediately after the fall of the capital of the Kingdom of Poland, the State Duma extended the powers of members of the Duma and the State Council elected from the Polish provinces for the period until the liberation of the Polish lands. But it was no longer possible to disregard the fact that the situation in the Polish question had already fundamentally changed.

Kudashev, who represented Russian diplomacy at the headquarters, wrote to 7 of August (25 July, Art. 1915) to the Minister of Foreign Affairs: “... Regarding our leaving Warsaw and a possible turn of the Poles' mood, General Yanushkevich told me:“ Statement by I.L. Goremykin about the autonomy of Poland was made very timely. Now let the Poles choose between us and the Germans. If it turns out that they prefer the latter, then this will save us from all our promises to them, the present and former. This remark affects, I think, the true, unfriendly attitude of the general towards the Poles and disagreement with any concessions to their political aspirations ”(1).

Yes, mobilization in the Polish lands was no worse than throughout Russia. But it was not the patriotism of the masses that worked more, but the fact that the Polish peasant had far less chance of evading conscription. The Poles, moreover, still had much more opportunities not to get up under the gun - starting with the right of the "last breadwinner" and ending with a considerable number of cases of commission from the supply of healers. The fact is that among the doctors there were many not only Poles, who saved the Germans not without risk, but also the Germans. The latter, without hiding sympathy for Germany and Austria - the enemies of Russia, were honored for the duty not to give the Russian Tsar one-another "extra" soldier.

But what kind of soldiers in the Russian army were the Poles, whom Napoleon himself considered excellent fighters? We admit, far from the best. A textbook study of Lieutenant-General, Professor of the Academy of the General Staff N.N. Golovina (2) testified: the ratio of the losses of “bloody” and prisoners to soldiers called up from Great Russian and Polish provinces is strikingly different - 60 on 40, and then 70 on 30 percent from “Great Russians” against 40 to 60 from “Poles”. Leave this data without quite appropriate comments here. However, it must be remembered that the Polish soldiers also "bravo" fought in the ranks of the Austrian and German army.


General N.N. Golovin, undisputed authority on stories The First World War

The "legions" of shooters, and the Polish brigades formed later in France - do not count. But it’s easy to judge how the Poles could fight in the "national" Polish armed forces, at least by the results of the Soviet-Polish war of the 1920 of the year. But after all, the red regiments near Warsaw also fought desperately, and a high percentage of prisoners in the troops of M. Tukhachevsky gave only the brilliant maneuver of General M. Weigan and J. Pilsudski from Wepsch, who overturned the ambitious plans of the red Bonaparte. And the tragic fate of these prisoners, which, unlike the constantly “unwinding” drama of Katyn, few people remember is generally a topic for a separate military historical research.


Jozef Pilsudski on positions with French General Maxim Weygand

The occupation of Austro-Germans in Russian Poland did not bring her any good. First of all, the new owners of the Kingdom were simply unable to provide the supply of major Polish cities with food at least at the same level as before the invasion, not to mention the pre-war conditions. Worse, from the first days of the occupation, large-scale export of not only industrial products but also materials and equipment, and for the most part not military purposes, began from the Polish territories to the inner regions of the two empires.

From the telegram of the ambassador in London, A. K. Benckendorf to the Minister of Foreign Affairs from February 23 / March 7 in March 1916:
... American agents are extremely afraid of the consequences of hunger and the complete ruin of that part of the population that did not emigrate to Russia. They estimate that about one and a half million emigrated to Russia and that the vast majority of the adult male population remained. Without the means, the latter would be easier to yield to German pressure, most often in the form of emigration to Germany as workers or in the form of a special set of recruits, which was already mentioned. If I insist on this point, which is not directly related to my competence, it is because I am convinced that at the time of the conclusion of peace, the Polish question, the foundations of which we so happily laid, will play a completely primary role, and that the time has come to develop a plan based on principle of nationality, so openly proclaimed during this war, and so that no German or Austrian project could interfere with our plans. If these powers have not agreed yet today, then this cannot serve as a basis for the future. One should not lose sight of the fact that the public opinion of the allied countries is awaiting this decision from Russia. Considering the aspirations of the Polish public, continuing to help Poland out of its present state of complete impoverishment, seems to me the first necessary foundation. At the moment, England is fully counting on the solution of the Polish question on behalf of the imperial government. I believe that the time comes when circumstances will require the adoption of this decision with the necessary completeness to neutralize all the efforts of our enemies in this direction (3).


Another “gift” for pro-German Poles turned out to be a sharp aggravation of the contradictions between Germany and Austria. Vienna was in a hurry to appoint the governor for the occupied territories, but the operational Germans outstripped an ally - and Chancellor Berchtold was forced to implore the allies to immediately declare that there were no annexationist aspirations. Berlin was preparing the creation of an independent, and in fact puppet Poland, which not only breaks away from Russia, but also grabs Galicia from the Hapsburgs. Even surviving from his mind Franz Joseph exploded, and demanded clarification from William. Obviously, this quarrel later became key when creating a bastard regency in Russian Poland.

The fact is indisputable that already later, Austria, under the impression of Brusilovsky’s defeat, immediately went for the most significant indulgences to the Poles, both in the occupied lands and within the country. Nevertheless, the very fact of the completely inconsistent evolution of the policy of invaders in the Polish lands is very indicative. The bureaucracy of the Habsburg monarchy, in whose possessions the Poles, perhaps, experienced the least oppression, for the sake of their own salvation again did not oppose the transformation of a patchwork empire from a two-in-one to a triune one.

The stubborn Serbia fought to the death against such a prospect, so why not justify the third throne in conquered Warsaw, or, at worst, in the “royal” Krakow? It is possible, therefore, to give some more indulgences to future subjects. The Poles, unlike the other Slavs of the empire, did not like the Russians (and still mostly did not like them - AP), they were (and remain) Catholics and could be a good support for the Habsburg swinging throne along with the Magyars.

About these measures of Vienna wrote 16 June 1916, General A.A. Brusilov to the newly appointed Chief of Staff of the Supreme Commander M.V. Alekseev:
Austria offers the Poles precisely defined rights ... The only way to position the Poles in favor of Russia is to now, without delay, realistically fulfill their promises, in size ... which, of course, should not be less than what the Poles offer Austria.


In turn, Germany, in the hope of a separate peace with Russia, at first did not weaken the grip of the occupation regime. The kingdom of Poland was divided into two zones - the Austrian and Germanic ones, of which the Lublin and Warsaw governors were created. Despite the allied relations, movement between them was forbidden, the most severe passport regime was introduced, numerous requisitions were carried out, and raw materials and equipment were transported to the Central Powers.


Germany and Austria-Hungary did not hesitate with the section "Russian Poland"

The Russian Foreign Ministry had a good idea of ​​the political consequences of the German occupation of the Kingdom. And, admittedly, very thoroughly prepared ahead of time. Significant in this sense is the letter to the Foreign Ministry from 29 / 16 in January 1916 of the Russian Ambassador to Paris Izvolsky. Long before the German-Austrian Declaration on Poland, he reported that a certain Svatkovsky, a representative of the PTA, acquainted the ambassador in Paris with the German-Austrian plans against Russia on the basis of the Polish question. Svatkovsky considered it necessary to take preemptive measures, for example - confirmation by the Powers of Power of the desirability of the unification of Poland.

Moreover, in order not to waste time, Russia could fulfill this task, repeating, in more definite terms, the appeal of the Grand Duke Commander-in-Chief, with a clearer indication of future boundaries and features of the Polish state system (of course, only the autonomy’s features were openly mentioned). The Consent Powers could then congratulate Russia on its generous decision, which would make a huge impression on the Polish world.

Izvolsky considered it his duty to remind the Foreign Ministry that Russia cannot be indifferent to how the public opinion of the Consent Powers will react to the solution of the most important issues for it, to which the ambassador attributed questions about the straits and the Polish. He himself added that the French public is prone in both matters to go the wrong way, which can cause misunderstandings between Russia and France.

"Restoration" of Belgium and Serbia and "la liberte de la Pologne" are the last slogans of the Parisian public, which applauded Mr. Bart, who was the first to apply this formula in a public speech. What was meant by "la liberte de la Pologne" is not entirely clear, and to the public it is not at all important, since under the influence of traditional sympathies for the Poles it will be interpreted in the broadest sense (4).


Izvolsky's position was quite simple - it was necessary to wrest the initiative not only from the hands of the Germans, but also from the allies. The former minister frankly ignored the intentions of the current minister to internationalize the Polish question. For this, Sazonov was rewarded for this by the Empress Alexandra Feodorovna herself, who did not call him anything other than “this cattle”.


Empress Alexandra Feodorovna did not complain about almost any of the royal ministers

However, both Izvolsky and Alexandra Fedorovna and her spouse did not take into account that the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry was not at all seduced by the dubious glory of the “liberator of Poland”, and after her, obviously, Finland. He played the Polish card so energetically, first of all in order to bargain as much as possible for Russia after the victory, which few people doubted then. Nevertheless, giving instructions to Izvolsky on the eve of the conference in Chantilly, Sazonov did not fail to remind him again that the Polish question was an internal question for the Russian Empire. Internal question!

From the telegram of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to the ambassador in Paris dated February 24 / 8 in March 1916 in Paris:
Any assumptions about the future disengagement of Central Europe at the present moment are premature, but in general it should be remembered that we are ready to give France and England complete freedom in defining the western borders of Germany, hoping that the Allies in turn will give us complete freedom in our distinction with Germany and Austria .
It is necessary especially to insist on the exclusion of the Polish question from the subjects of international discussion and on the elimination of any attempts to put the future of Poland under the guarantee and control of the powers (5).


* American aid plans for occupied Poland were primarily coordinated with England. There were no objections, but the English put forward two conditions: a) England should not provide any financial subsidies; b) there will be sufficient guarantees against Germany not buying up fatty products intended for the Polish and Russian population.

It is characteristic that England, not the USA, set a condition for the project to be approved by the Russian government.

Notes
1. International relations in the era of imperialism. Documents from the archives of the royal and provisional governments 1878-1917. M.1935, Series III, Volume VIII, Part 2, p.18-20.
2. Golovin N.N. Russia's military efforts in the First World War, M., 2001 g., P. 150-152, 157-158.
3. International relations in the era of imperialism. Documents from the archives of the royal and provisional governments 1878-1917. M.1938, Series III, Volume X, p.343-345.
4. Ibid., Series III, volume X, p. 113-114.
5. Ibid., Series III, volume X, p. 351.
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  1. +3
    18 November 2018 07: 03
    Thanks to the author.
    But still it’s becoming very disgusting, although the morality of European politicians is not an input, but still disgusting.
    With the help of the German invaders, the Poles created their * speech * and even chose * a dictator or director of all Poland *, and although German benefactors robbed and Germanized the Poles, the Poles still have warm memories of the Germans. Just like the slaughtered slaves at the pan.
    The Poles * thanked * German benefactors in the war as soon as the opportunity presented itself.
    It is interesting that the Poles immediately became friends with the Germans after the Nazis came to power on the basis of common interests.
    WWII also provoked the Poles. Tales of dressing up corpses in Gleivitz are nothing more than tales of the British to save * London Poles *. The Poles mobilized in the spring of 1939, preparing to triumphantly enter Berlin.
  2. +2
    18 November 2018 08: 49
    And the Poles chose themselves!
    General N.N. Golovin, undisputed authority on the history of the First World War

    nothing is certain in this world.
    While in exile, he did not have access to documents in the archives of the Union. And also many points are not worked out and (or) controversial
  3. 0
    18 November 2018 15: 30
    Quote: Vasily50

    WWII also provoked the Poles. Tales of dressing up corpses in Gleivitz are nothing more than tales of the British to save * London Poles *.


    Basil, you are mistaken.

    I advise you to read the book by Alfred Naujöcks "Operation Gleiwitz, or How I Started World War II". A. Naujöx SS Sturmbannführer (SD) and a war criminal. And whose hands this provocation was documented at the Nuremberg Trials (see the two-volume "Nuremberg Trials") You can also read B. Polevoy's book "In the End".
    Otherwise, I agree with you, in 39 the Poles "fought for what they ran into." In their age-old hatred of Russia, they simply lose their common sense and orientation, do not see the shores, and as a result, another disaster. How many partitions of Poland were there? hi
    1. 0
      18 November 2018 16: 31
      Do not look for evidence of English lies. As the British lied showed * the work of the violinists *. The British trained the London Poles to seize power and whitewashed them in every way. Those Nazis who fell into their hands gave surprisingly necessary and consistent testimonies, and books were published on behalf of some of them. That's just why they all died quickly.
      By the way, dressing up a corpse is more difficult than living, and there will always be traces of such dressing, all the forensics know about it ..
      After the robbery of a jeweler’s bank and wealthy citizens, the raiders flew from Gleivice to Poland.
      And further. WWII began with the genocide of Germans in Polish territory. when the Poles beat to death and robbed German towns that were captured by the Poles.
      The GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR began with the Polish robberies of border towns in the territory of the SOVIET UNION. So in the town of Edvabne, ALL people were killed, beaten to death, or raped to death.
      1. 0
        19 November 2018 13: 18
        For the alternatively smart, there is the Internet and you just need to dial as soon as you can find the information. By the way, Edvabne is not the only town in the territory of the SOVIET UNION which the Poles robbed of killing residents. Poles in the rear of the German army even before dawn crossed the border and began looting in Soviet territory.
        The Germans stopped the robberies when they realized the scale of the robberies, they didn’t give a damn about those killed, all the more so they were mostly Jews. In the Baltic States, it was about the same with the help of the Poles and on their own.
        The Germans were only outraged by the fact that values ​​stuck to the arms of all kinds of Poles and other untimely women.
  4. 0
    18 November 2018 18: 54
    The "Polish question" is the stupidity of the Russian tsars. Half of the Polish nobility are Russian. I had to work with them.
  5. -2
    18 November 2018 19: 57
    Quote: Vasily50

    After the robbery of a jeweler’s bank and wealthy townspeople, they flee from Gleivice in Poland ..


    It would be strange if they hid in Germany. And who told you that the same group committed a raid on a radio station and a robbery?

    Quote: Doliva63

    The GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR began with the Polish robberies of border towns in the territory of the SOVIET UNION. So in the town of Edvabne, ALL people were killed, beaten to death, or raped to death.


    Serious statement laughing So it is Poland, under the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, sent troops into the territory of the USSR !? You either give links, or do not grind nonsense, "great" connoisseur of history. And to the city, the name of which can hardly be pronounced on a sober head, is also a link. Otherwise, it is the usual verbal diarrhea.
    1. +2
      18 November 2018 20: 10
      Quote: Sea Cat
      So Poland is under the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact sent troops to the territory of the USSR !?

      This means that the USSR simply entered the "Curzon Line" previously established by the Entente, that is, the eastern border of Poland.
      And the question is, could the USSR, under the Pilsudski-Hitler Pact, participate in the division of Czechoslovakia?
      1. -1
        19 November 2018 04: 16
        Czechoslovakia was divided by Hungary, Germany and Poland. The USSR was afraid to stand up for its ally and start a war against Poland, Germany and Hungary, as it feared it would be drawn into a war on 2 or 3 fronts with Japan, Turkey and France. But then Poland wanted to dismember Lithuania, but then Germany was afraid to be drawn into a war with the USSR. In response, the Poles began to oppress the inhabitants of Danzig, which provoked Hitler into the war.
  6. 0
    18 November 2018 22: 37
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Sea Cat
    So Poland is under the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact sent troops to the territory of the USSR !?

    This means that the USSR simply entered the "Curzon Line" previously established by the Entente, that is, the eastern border of Poland.
    And the question is, could the USSR, under the Pilsudski-Hitler Pact, participate in the division of Czechoslovakia?


    You are distorting, I asked Dmitry a question about his statement that the Great Patriotic War was started with the Polish looting of the borderlands. For our entire country, the war began on June 22, 1941 with the attack of the German fascist troops. I asked for specific links, but did not get them. Instead of Dmitry, you interjected with a far-fetched "Curzon line", about which there was no talk at all.
    Yes, if it doesn’t complicate, discard the link about the Pilsudski-Hitler Pact, you are very interested in me ... hi
    1. 0
      19 November 2018 04: 32
      https://photochronograph.ru/2013/02/21/razdel-chexoslovakii-v-1938-godu/ Оккупация Чехословакии поляками, венграми и немцами в 1938 году. Дипломатически эта акция оформлена в Мюнхене, историческое ее название Мюнхенский сговор а не пакт Гитлер-Пилсудский. Пилсудский ушел из политики в 1923 году, а умер в 1935. В ходе реализации мюнхенского сговора каждая сторона старалась урвать сколько смогла. Немцам(абверу) пришлось сдать своих украинских союзников на расправу гонведу.
      1. 0
        19 November 2018 05: 20
        In addition, Pilsudski in the years 26-28 and 30 served as Prime Minister and was Minister of War. During his life with Germany, a non-aggression pact was signed, a similar non-aggression pact between Germany and the USSR. By analogy with the name Molotov Pact Ribentrop, some call it the Pilsudski-Hitler Pact. This pact, unlike the Munich agreement, had nothing to do with the partition of Czechoslovakia. The USSR was an opponent of the partition of Czechoslovakia, but did not begin to defend it for fear of war on several fronts. Indeed, in addition to Germany and Hungary, Japan, Turkey and France could act on the side of Poland. Perhaps Dmitry has in mind that in 1941 the special forces of Brandenburg functioned in the German army, where former Polish citizens, for example ethnic Ukrainians, served. Sometimes, instead of military operations, they switched to meaningless sadistic reprisals against an unarmed population. Their actions have been historically studied and analyzed. For example, I recommend finding and reading a statement by the Israeli prosecutor at the Eichmann trial in 1962.
    2. 0
      19 November 2018 07: 19
      Quote: Sea Cat
      You distort

      Not a little. Each country looks after its own interests. The Czechoslovak events are simply the closest to the beginning of the Second World War. and what is the struggle for the Vilniansky region worth. And why not who in the West "does not shed crocodile tears over this"?
  7. 0
    19 November 2018 13: 56
    Quote: gsev
    Perhaps Dmitry has in mind that in 1941 the special forces of Brandenburg functioned in the German army, where former Polish citizens, for example ethnic Ukrainians, served.


    Thank you Vladimir. hi
    I know what divisions like Brandenburg and Nachtigal did. But they began to act NOT BEFORE the war with us, but AFTER. Actually, I don’t feel any illusions regarding the Poles, but Dmitry’s statement that the Second World War began with their filing looks, at least, strange. That is what I meant by asking him questions.

    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Sea Cat
    You distort

    Not a little. Each country looks after its own interests. The Czechoslovak events are simply the closest to the beginning of the Second World War. and what is the struggle for the Vilniansky region worth. And why not who in the West "does not shed crocodile tears over this"?


    "There is an elder in the garden, and there is an uncle in Kiev." And what have Czechoslovakia and the Vilnianskiy region to do with it? I asked Dmitry specific questions about specific events. If there is nothing to say about the case, then "dirty paper" does not make sense. And you, as I understand it, have nothing to say, not at all. What about crocodile Tears of the West are already tired of "rubbing". What to expect from them, we were enemies - we will remain enemies.
    1. 0
      22 November 2018 03: 55
      "I am aware of what units like Brandenburg and Nachtigall were doing. But they began to operate NOT BEFORE the war with us, but AFTER."
      The main task of the Brandenburg troops is to disrupt communications at the beginning of the war. Therefore, they started cutting communication lines before the declaration of war. And they began to advance to positions a few days before the start of the war, as the connection was broken with the start of the war. I understood Dmitry’s words that Bandera’s intention was to take part in the war in alliance with Germany, and from the first hours they took an active part in it. The goals of Ukrainian nationalists do not have to coincide with the goals of Hitler. They lived in Poland and knew well the history of Pilsudski and his strategy for creating a Polish state. She was successful and they tried to repeat it. In addition, with the outbreak of war, dissatisfied with the Soviet regime came into effect, not bound by an oath with Hitler.
  8. 0
    22 November 2018 13: 49
    Quote: gsev
    I understood Dmitry’s words that Bandera’s intention was to take part in the war in alliance with Germany, and from the first hours they took an active part in it.


    Everything is true about Bandera, but Dmitry talked about the Poles, that it was they who started the Second World War, and this is nonsense. request
  9. 0
    12 August 2021 01: 24
    I liked the article as a whole. but some kind of liberal-Soviet evaluative smell slips, which gives a subjective tilt. nevertheless, I read it with interest. good fact