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From chips in weapons to supersprafov for games with violence. Ideas after the tragedy in Kerch

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After the terrible events in Kerch, Russian politicians and law enforcement officials share their thoughts on how to improve the system of protecting educational facilities and other socially significant facilities in the country. Some sentences look strange to say the least. One of such proposals was made by the deputy head of the constitutional legislation committee of the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation Elena Mizulina.


From chips in weapons to supersprafov for games with violence. Ideas after the tragedy in Kerch


The essence of the proposal of the Russian senator is to fine the distributors of game content for the content of violence in it. Mizulina proposes to introduce administrative responsibility on all platforms where violent actions are being shown in games. According to the representative of Sovfeda, such sites today include Google, YouTube, Facebook and others, where the games are “close to reality.”

In the newspaper Kommersant given Mizulina statement:
They do not cut off the heads of the Serpent Gorynych, but real people.


In fact, fines for this kind of content are already provided for by Russian law. Makes such a fine up to 100 thousand rubles. Elena Mizulina offers to increase it at times.

In this connection, a question arises to the legislators themselves: why did they start to wave the drafts just now, where they were during the last decades, when scenes of violence had become commonplace not only for games? What to do now? Penalize film distributors for showing films with scenes of murders, terrorist attacks, etc.? Or, nevertheless, do not hit the tails and do not work “tops”, but already develop a coherent policy on the issue of systemic education of the younger generation.

Representatives of the middle and older generations also played: “war”, “policemen and gangsters”, “Cossack-robbers” - they ran with wooden machine guns, “shot and killed”. But from this, thank God, the vast majority of the villains did not become. Today, the level of public aggression has increased significantly. Not the last role played by the negative content, which says Mizulina. But only bans and fines can not solve the problem.

Proposal from the Ministry of Interior: equip all realizable weapon in Russia tracking sensors. At the conference "Interpolitech-2018", a senior researcher at the testing department of the technical regulation center and cataloging of the Russian Interior Ministry "Special equipment and communications" Andrei Tsukanov said (RIA News):
There are analogues, we carried out a theoretical analysis and by comparing with already functioning systems we concluded that it is possible to introduce satellite navigation into movement control, the use of legal weapons. A similar principle applies, for example, in vehicles that transmit an SOS signal when a shock sensor is triggered, as well as when conducting continuous surveillance of suspects and defendants who are under house arrest.


The sensor at the manufacturing stage is proposed to be installed in the body or butt of a firearm. This will slightly increase the cost of the "trunk".

It is not entirely clear who and how exactly will carry out the accounting for movements of weapon owners with these weapons. It is not clear what will be undertaken in case of damage or other reasons for the failure of the sensors. An additional problem is that, judging by the tragedy in Kerch, there are still opportunities to create (obtain) improvised explosive devices. And then no chipping exactly will not help.

The very idea of ​​the representatives of the Ministry of Interior related to the nightmarish events at the Kerch Polytechnic College.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 25 October 2018 08: 01
    +33
    Well, what can they not come up with ... if only the short-barrel cannot be solved ... The whole problem is that they will cripple or kill you now, and the punishment ... if they catch it later ... and then ... it will be all the same to you . The arguments that we have a low culture and kill everyone ... A traumatic gun at close range is no less dangerous and the population has a lot of them, but there are few cases of use ... Moreover, if a bullet from a pistol is very easy to identify, then a bullet from a traumatic gun cannot be unified ...
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 25 October 2018 08: 12
      +25
      Vard
      Well, what can they not come up with ... if only the short-barrel cannot be solved ... The whole problem is that they will cripple or kill you now, and the punishment ... if they catch it later ... and then ... it will be all the same to you .
      This is the holy taboo of the Russian government! For them, a terrible dream. They are now really ready to ban kitchen knives. Well, so many years to mock people. And then a gun may be in your pocket wassat Aki pigs squeal "to the people to sell weapons and have nizyayaya" laughing
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 25 October 2018 08: 37
        +48
        From chips in weapons to supersprafov for games with violence. Ideas after the tragedy in Kerch

        How many tricks! Or maybe just do real youth education? To pay single mothers a normal salary, so that it is enough for a decent life for a person, themselves and children. Take children in FREE sections and circles. To work with youth and not to leave children alone with the problems that have arisen.
        1. Logall
          Logall 25 October 2018 09: 15
          +38

          To fine distributors of game content for the content of scenes of violence in it.

          from one extreme to another, and to no sense. I shoot aggression with such games, make up a couple of hundred hours in the game and continue to sincerely smile at those around me.

          And what did Chikatilo play? The wolf and eggs? Do not look for problems in reality ...
          1. Ural-4320
            Ural-4320 25 October 2018 10: 04
            +20
            And they don't really live. Rather, they live, but in their own: separate villages with security, delivery from shops, a bunch of assistants / advisors of various kinds. And to prohibit games is only an excuse "we care for the state", nothing more.
        2. Dersturm
          Dersturm 25 October 2018 09: 23
          -12
          Why are there any expenses for "free circles"? You just need to give everyone a short-barrel and organize massive competitions in the style of the Wild West on weekends. After all, every owner of a short barrel immediately becomes Clint Eastwood ..
          1. Ural-4320
            Ural-4320 25 October 2018 10: 09
            +3
            This one has a rational grain. Who needs a trunk will be public, will be supervised during competitions. In addition to jokes, but it is mandatory to have a certain amount of ammunition shot quarterly. And to some of the owners all this obyazalovka tired and surrender weapons. As a result, we have people who love weapons, are aware of the responsibility for their possession and use, are law-abiding and transparent to control by the authorities.
            1. Dersturm
              Dersturm 25 October 2018 10: 20
              +2
              It seems that here half of the commentators have seen enough of "Destructive Ranch" ... A short-barrel will not solve anything, but perhaps it will aggravate. But mass PR on the bones hurts more. In the USSR, terrorist attacks were hushed up, maybe this is supposedly not democratic, but there was a practical meaning. And now, when they broadcast about Kerch from every iron, then another non-human may think - "if he could, then I can too ..."
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 25 October 2018 19: 02
                -3
                Quote: DerSturm
                It seems that here half of the commentators have seen enough of "Destructive Ranch" ... A short-barrel will not solve anything, but perhaps it will aggravate. But mass PR on the bones hurts more. In the USSR, terrorist attacks were hushed up, maybe this is supposedly not democratic, but there was a practical meaning. And now, when they broadcast about Kerch from every iron, then another non-human may think - "if he could, then I can too ..."


                Just as an example, when in Australia all the barrels were forcibly bought from the population by the authorities, the number of crimes involving the use of a firearm fell 20 times ...
                1. TiRex
                  TiRex 25 October 2018 22: 34
                  +1
                  but it grew very much without him
                  do not say half the truth, negotiate statistics to the end. crimes became more, but without a gunshot.
                  1. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 25 October 2018 23: 33
                    0
                    Quote: TiRex
                    but it grew very much without him
                    do not say half the truth, negotiate statistics to the end. crimes became more, but without a gunshot.

                    Oh well ... In general, the number of crimes has NOT increased - the crime has decreased and noticeably, because if earlier in the heat of the moment a citizen could grab his beloved "Colt" and fire a couple of times with the corresponding consequences ... You will say that for a "shovel "You can also grab a kitchen knife, but the chances of accidentally threatening a person with cold weapons, albeit improvised, are an order of magnitude less. than so beloved here "short-barreled".

                    And most importantly, the legalization of the short-barreled gun IN ANY WAY will not help to solve the problem of the "Kerch shooter", just as the possession of weapons by every second resident of the United States does NOT IN ANY way solve the problems of mass shootings, only aggravates it ...
                    1. Ross_ulair
                      Ross_ulair 26 October 2018 08: 34
                      +3
                      There are other statistics ...
                      https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2018/02/15/reality-check-gun-permit-background-checks/

                      Quote: Albert1988
                      And the main thing is that the legalization of short-barrels will NOT help in ANY way to solve the problem of the "Kerch shooter"

                      Just as the ban will not solve this problem.
                      1. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 26 October 2018 18: 01
                        0
                        Quote: ROSS_Ulair
                        There are other statistics ...

                        It depends on who is behind these statistics - in the States there is a huge arms lobby that is actively promoting its position through the authorities and correcting public opinion through the media, so think ...

                        Quote: ROSS_Ulair
                        Just as the ban will not solve this problem.

                        Yassen stump! CONTROL is needed, CONTROL, not prohibitions ...
        3. Labrador
          Labrador 25 October 2018 10: 11
          +7
          I fully support!
          Education and a decent income - the solution to many problems of society.
        4. rrrd
          rrrd 25 October 2018 14: 32
          +3
          Well, it's like fighting smoking!)))
        5. Alf
          Alf 25 October 2018 21: 14
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          To pay single mothers a normal salary, so that it is enough for a decent life for a person, themselves and children. Take children in FREE sections and circles. To work with youth and not to leave children alone with the problems that have arisen.

          Those. to get the Creator, and not the consumer man? What has the government been fighting for since the year 91?
        6. stalki
          stalki 25 October 2018 22: 53
          -6
          I fully support the opinion, but games should be prohibited in any case, and the promotion of violence is now at every step. And I urge you not to wait for help from the state, but to work with the children yourself. I do so, the future of our children depends on us, we must act.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 25 October 2018 23: 37
            +4
            Quote: stalki
            I fully support the opinion, but games should be prohibited in any case, and the promotion of violence is now at every step.

            And also it is necessary to prohibit films, books, gossip, and who knows what the next psycho will have a roof to go from? Maybe you just need to require regular psychiatrists to normally check who wants to buy a dangerous toy, and not to do it, play it, play it, like in the case of Roslyakov?
      2. Ross_ulair
        Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 09: 07
        +34
        Games to ban. Internet ban. Chips in weapons are generally something at the level of idiocy ...
        Interestingly, but our government, in addition to prohibitions on any actions, is capable of?
        As the saying goes: "With the loss of punitive psychiatry, the domestic intelligentsia lost all hope of adequate medical assistance."

        Here I have a gun. Weapons closet in the hallway, in the depths of the apartment, where even the telephone does not see the telephone (there is a five-meter meter per meter there), I am generally silent about glonassa. So I bought it rustically, registered, brought it home - and it disappeared from the radar wassat What should the gentlemen of the police do? Send a precinct to me every day?
        And then I decided to go hunting. And I decided to go to the neighboring city by bus. And my path to the bus runs right through two kindergartens and one school (it is, if you take the short road to the stop)! And on their radars - how my gun moves to child care facilities .. And if we go with the crowd of hunter neighbors on the bus?

        Or another example, cited here in the next topic. My former school. It stands on the shore of the lake - literally 20 m from the schoolyard and the lake. And on the shore - boat cabinets and drawers. And in the season there are dozens of people with weapons: some on the hunt, some on the hunt ... And the city park on the shore - and there are also crowds of hunters in season.
        Then immediately to place riot police on the shore?

        PS Although, it is said:
        This will slightly increase the cost of the "trunk"

        Can all legs grow from here?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 25 October 2018 09: 50
          +1
          Americans are developing weapons with a pin code, and Jews - with fingerprint activation. request
          1. Ross_ulair
            Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 09: 52
            +1
            Well, here, apparently, so that it was impossible to take someone else's trunk to the criminals, and from it to robberies, murders and other "arrows" to go ...
            Another reason is precisely the pin code and fingerprint activation does not provide
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 25 October 2018 09: 57
              +3
              Quote: ROSS_Ulair
              Another reason is precisely the pin code and fingerprint activation does not provide

              The pin code does not provide, but for Jews it is controlled via GPS, and through the iPhone it is controlled.
              1. Ross_ulair
                Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 10: 02
                +2
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                and the Jews

                And they, if I’m not mistaken, are even allowed to have weapons with automatic firing modes, which even the states do not have. Maybe because of this, the GSPs and put?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 25 October 2018 10: 10
                  0
                  Quote: ROSS_Ulair
                  Maybe because of this, they’re put

                  I don’t know, but they started doing this just after the execution in an American school, when the idiot banged his mother, and then went to school with her guns. As for me, then all this garbage, chips, pin codes ...
        2. tomket
          tomket 25 October 2018 11: 02
          +22
          Quote: ROSS_Ulair
          Games to ban. Internet ban. Chips in weapons are generally something at the level of idiocy ...

          I propose introducing superfines for State Duma deputies for a public demonstration of stupidity and stupidity.
          1. Vovanya
            Vovanya 25 October 2018 11: 44
            +2
            I used to laugh at Posner's slip of the tongue - "state fool", but now I begin to understand that he was right.
        3. tomket
          tomket 25 October 2018 11: 04
          +5
          Quote: ROSS_Ulair
          Then immediately to place riot police on the shore?

          If the lake, then you need to drive a guard.
          1. Ross_ulair
            Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 11: 20
            +1
            There is no guard. There is a half-dead part, abbreviated by the most indulge. Here they have a pontoon ...
            There are years, in the spring, cars that fail under the ice help to lift cars laughing

            And so, apparently, it's time for a long time to roll out a couple of missile boats ... to avoid, so to speak! wassat
        4. PSih2097
          PSih2097 25 October 2018 11: 15
          +5
          Quote: ROSS_Ulair
          Then immediately to place riot police on the shore?

          I remembered about riot police, during some air raids on airsoft, some vigilant citizens noticed us, well, they called the police, but since there were about 80 of us, everyone was on hills with harnesses and drives for domestic weapons (and this is from the point of view of the law whether it’s an organized crime group, or an illegal armed formation), they brought in riot police, it’s good that their starters were with us at that moment, and I don’t even know what would happen, everything is just there first, but then we talk ...
          1. igorbrsv
            igorbrsv 25 October 2018 11: 52
            0
            Well, what should they do first? Or were your faces very honest?
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 25 October 2018 20: 39
              +2
              Quote: igorbrsv
              Or were your faces very honest?

              were, in balaclavas and masks ... soldier
        5. Irokez
          Irokez 25 October 2018 14: 00
          -2
          Quote: ROSS_Ulair
          So I bought it rustically, registered it, brought it home - and it disappeared from the radar. What should the gentlemen of the police do? Send a precinct to me every day?

          Well, why exaggerate and distort? To seem like all fools, are you smart?
          Firstly, it’s not a short barrel, and if you are a hunter, then live calmly, but follow the rules of storing and carrying weapons and don’t let the children because you are responsible for yourself, a child and a shotgun, and if something shoots, then you and only you are in it responsible.
          Control with chips in a first approximation looks as follows:
          - I put a firearm in the locker in the locker and no one will touch you (no signal);
          - pulled out a weapon, triggered the sensor of displacement, overload, vibration (or the like) and the chip was activated and sent a signal through GLONASS to the computer in which the entire base of the registered weapon and the operator on the monitor lit up a signal like "weapon activated" and stasis address and owner who ;
          - Further, several options included in the computer program of the tracking and controlling weapons:
          1 - if the movement along GLONAS does not exceed say 20 meters from its storage point, then no one will tell you anything and go around the apartment, wherever you want and play and admire or sleep with him.
          2 - if GLONASS showed movement above the prescribed distance, then SMS to your cell phone (as from the card when you buy SMS if you bought something) flies with a message like: - "the weapon has been moved, be careful and vigilant" and this is also nothing if you come back home in 5-10 minutes and the program has calmed down. But if after 5-10 minutes GLONASS says about the weapon out of place, you will again be allowed an SMS like: "The weapon is out of storage, what are you going to do?" and an answer is offered in the same place by cell, for example 1-hunting, 2-shooting range, 3-please inform. If there is 1 or 2 answer, then go on, 3 you need to explain something over the phone and explain yourself what and how. Further, if there is no response from the user of the weapon, then something is wrong and the operator may begin to respond to the signal from the chip and he himself begins to call you to clarify the circumstances or something else.
          3 - if GLONAS showed movement above the prescribed distance and the weapon moves further, and the owner of the database is a student of a school or school who should be in class right now and this is already a dangerous signal and needs to react somehow, then the police begin to solve this problem, and as he decides - this should already be spelled out in their instructions.
          4 - if the barrel is normally registered with the hunter and at the moment there is a place of mass gathering of people on the school territory and stopped (further on this territory), then the operator calls you and asks: "You are in a forbidden territory and you know what is there you can not be with uruzhiyu "well, you explain what and how.
          That is, for each case, its nuances of permission and prohibitions and these nuances can be even greater (there is only a sketch of the entire control and tracking system). And it must be especially strict with a short-barrel microchipped necessarily because it is worn unnoticed under clothing. And your gun, and especially a hunter and an experienced person, may not even be double-checked if the owner has been reliable for 10 years, for example, but let the operator have a signal on the arms (well, suddenly something happens to you and they know where the trunk is )
          You have more panic from this system than common sense.
          1. Vovanya
            Vovanya 25 October 2018 14: 33
            -3
            Even better is to put a remote electronic switch in the weapon, with which you can turn on the weapon, for example, only during the hunting season or, with special. notice at the shooting range.
            1. Alf
              Alf 25 October 2018 21: 17
              +4
              Quote: Vovanya
              Even better is to put a remote electronic switch in the weapon, with which you can turn on the weapon, for example, only during the hunting season or, with special. notice at the shooting range.

              And everyone who is not lazy will turn it on and off. A country of craftsmen.
            2. TiRex
              TiRex 25 October 2018 22: 40
              +2
              and then the picture is like this - a wild boar flies at you, and this electronic bastard glitched (like in the frost, the strikers froze at Browning, they went to the bear, the bear is 10 meters away, but you can’t shoot, a lot of bricks were put off)
              1. Alf
                Alf 26 October 2018 21: 22
                0
                Quote: TiRex
                and then the picture is like this - a wild boar flies at you, and this bastard electronic glitch

                But you will set a record in long-distance running.
                1. Ross_ulair
                  Ross_ulair 26 October 2018 22: 19
                  0
                  Not funny. Absolutely. If you visited his place.
                2. TiRex
                  TiRex 13 November 2018 00: 36
                  0
                  you can’t put it, and the boar and the bear are much faster than a person, even the Olympic champion in sprint
        6. 11 Ivan Ivanov
          11 Ivan Ivanov 25 October 2018 15: 39
          +5
          those schools with a kindergarten will have their own safety radius. We went there with a rustle, your your rustle and shoot you wassat
        7. not main
          not main 25 October 2018 22: 07
          +2
          Quote: ROSS_Ulair
          Games to ban. Internet ban. Chips in weapons are generally something at the level of idiocy ...
          Interestingly, but our government, in addition to prohibitions on any actions, is capable of?
          As the saying goes: "With the loss of punitive psychiatry, the domestic intelligentsia lost all hope of adequate medical assistance."

          Here I have a gun. Weapons closet in the hallway, in the depths of the apartment, where even the telephone does not see the telephone (there is a five-meter meter per meter there), I am generally silent about glonassa. So I bought it rustically, registered, brought it home - and it disappeared from the radar wassat What should the gentlemen of the police do? Send a precinct to me every day?
          And then I decided to go hunting. And I decided to go to the neighboring city by bus. And my path to the bus runs right through two kindergartens and one school (it is, if you take the short road to the stop)! And on their radars - how my gun moves to child care facilities .. And if we go with the crowd of hunter neighbors on the bus?

          Or another example, cited here in the next topic. My former school. It stands on the shore of the lake - literally 20 m from the schoolyard and the lake. And on the shore - boat cabinets and drawers. And in the season there are dozens of people with weapons: some on the hunt, some on the hunt ... And the city park on the shore - and there are also crowds of hunters in season.
          Then immediately to place riot police on the shore?

          PS Although, it is said:
          This will slightly increase the cost of the "trunk"

          Can all legs grow from here?

          The last assumption is the most true! And from myself I’ll add: And where will you insert the chips? The only place butt. But I can go to the store and buy a new butt, and changing them is not a problem! Another option is a good carpenter will make me this butt. Generally an offer from the category of delirium! If you do not take into account the last point!
        8. stalki
          stalki 25 October 2018 22: 58
          -5
          Control should be in everything, but you do not seem to like it soldier
      3. Irokez
        Irokez 25 October 2018 13: 06
        -6
        Quote: Observer2014
        This is the holy taboo of the Russian government! For them, a terrible dream.

        Here they came out TRUE TENDERLIFE AND HUMAN RESIDENTS amateurs of a firearm and with all hands and feet will propagandize the permission to carry weapons, but only until the moment when they have a thread in their family (God forbid, of course).
        They will not refuse from such a dangerous and warming-up toy in any way and will in every way prevent it from controlling those structures that are obliged to do this.
        They will bring a bunch of cases drawn by the ears or nose when the gunshot will save them, and most of the real cases when the gunshot did not help or aggravated the situation, they will simply keep silent (not profitable).
        The argument was with many ardent amateurs on neighboring branches, and my soul mates flogged me to the maximum because they sensed that they could lose toys or be controlled because of the murder weapon.
        It is an instrument of killing, not the birth of life.
        Others denounce the state and state structures that under the guise of control and prohibition they will profit and enrich themselves and therefore want to implement these methods of controlling firearms through chips. I understand that the police in almost all countries are associated with permissiveness, rudeness, and so on, but if somewhere somewhere else you crank except the police, the FSB and other law enforcement agencies, you will not seek help anywhere else. You can figure it out yourself, but then it's a crime and you are outlawed.
        If it is necessary to put things in order somewhere, everyone knows that it is the police, and the relevant state structures and no one doubts it, and if they are required to show or present something at once, "you have no right" or "by what right." Yes, according to the simplest right of the state authorities to establish order and control security, and not to introduce it into your personal life. Primarily order and security rather than personal life, which can unfortunately become the afterlife. And again, whether you personally suffer from a terrorist or not, you will always scold the law enforcement officers (it’s so fashionable and everyone seems to do it, otherwise you’ll be out of trend).
        Look at the problem globally not from your ego and you will understand that the fewer deadly weapons on hand - the more lives among you.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 25 October 2018 13: 38
          -8
          TRUE CASES AND HUMAN RESEARCHES got out lovers of a gunshot and with all hands and feet will propagandize permission to carry weapons,
          Everything is simpler, Sergei - ordinary infantiles, stupidly following in the wake of their own wishes. And reasonable arguments don't work here. Moreover, what is characteristic, among the "short-philes", the hamster is especially distinguished, which did not even serve, moreover, it was sloped. They huddle in heaps, stomp with knocks, whip with their pens: "Give it a bang, well, give a bang ...." laughing No, they won’t.
        2. Ross_ulair
          Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 13: 51
          +5
          Hello again! laughing drinks

          Quote: Irokez
          I understand that the police in almost all countries are associated with permissiveness, rudeness, and so on, but if somewhere somewhere else you crank except the police, the FSB and other law enforcement agencies, you will not seek help anywhere else.

          Absolutely not think so! And with those cops I’ve come across with are great people.
          One policeman we have is worth the right man!

          Quote: Irokez
          You can figure it out yourself, but then it's a crime and you are outlawed.

          Yes. If the law does not provide for self-defense.

          Quote: Irokez
          The primary order and security rather than personal life which can unfortunately become the afterlife.

          So no one argues!
          Just wrote here below:
          In his own area in the area, the PPS patrol saw him for the last time ... but he never saw him at all! Only in the city center it happens!
          And how were law enforcement officers going to protect me in my native area? Or after they rob me / cripple / kill them in improved and accelerated ways, they will reveal this crime? So what good is it for me ??

          I need a gun because I want to protect my family from thugs / robbers / rapists / murderers / trash gangsters. With them I am ready to be "quarrelsome", "unstable" and "potentially dangerous".
          How will my possession of weapons prevent other citizens who are not in these categories?
          1. Irokez
            Irokez 25 October 2018 14: 05
            0
            Quote: ROSS_Ulair
            Hello again!

            Yes, we saw each other in neighboring branches. Stop talking.
          2. TiRex
            TiRex 25 October 2018 22: 45
            +1
            I’ll support while I’m out of the safe, in case God forbid, I’ll get it, they bang me 5 times (or use the means at hand) and I don’t want to find out who is the best melee or knife fight master in my house, especially since these guys try one at a time not to go, and two or three for one is no longer an option for the majority, well, not Superman, I'm not Batman, and not even Chuck Norris ...
        3. stalki
          stalki 25 October 2018 23: 01
          -4
          Keep good
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 25 October 2018 08: 20
      +19
      The upbringing of young people should be dealt with from kindergartens, schools, the mandatory ones should be restored, otherwise they will not be organized, children's school organizations such as "Octobrists", pioneer organizations (not Western scouts), Komsomol organizations for the elderly and young people.
      Yes, what am I talking about? In capitalist society - the state, unnecessary troubles are not needed, bearing the additional costs of a budget that does not have a proper patriotic ideology. And the school is now not a cloister of education, but a state institution for the provision of educational services.
      They cannot exist in an antagonistic class capitalist society, where man is not friend to man, such organizations that carry the good eternal in the souls of children.
      We are doomed to such phenomena, while capitalism will exist in Russia - nothing will help, no bans to prevent them.
    3. Dersturm
      Dersturm 25 October 2018 08: 21
      -15
      That's right, you need to give each student a short-barrel, and the teacher "Pecheneg". And if someone sneezes in class, then immediately shoot to kill ...
    4. Alexkorzun
      Alexkorzun 25 October 2018 08: 34
      +25
      All this reminds me very much of the consequences of September 11 in the USA. Following the analysis of the "reasons" for the terrorist attack, the US authorities had the opportunity to accept Patriotic Act. According to him:
      - this act gives the right to federal employees to search homes, workplaces, computers and private property of citizens, either without their notification at all, or with an after-fact notification when the search has already been made
      -The CIA got an unlimited opportunity without a court order to establish surveillance of its citizens, if this is done "for intelligence purposes." This includes wiretapping and tracking of the user's internet activity. Incidentally, up to this point, the CIA’s appointment consisted of intelligence activities exclusively in relation to foreign “elements”.
      - The FBI and other law enforcement agencies have the right to request medical, financial and academic records and state archives for any person, only by presenting a warrant, which the court must issue if it is required for an investigation in order to protect against “international terrorism”. Moreover, a sufficient basis for a search is not even required, and the organization to which the warrant is presented has no right to inform anyone that the FBI requested this data. Including the one whose data was requested!

      - de facto limited freedom of speech, for any careless phrase can now be regarded as a terrorist conspiracy. According to this act, internal terrorism includes "actions that are exchanged as attempts, through threats or violence, to influence the political course of the state." As you can see, the concept of "internal terrorism" is defined so vaguely that almost any political or other activist group (the same Greenpeace, for example) can fall under this definition. And anyone who disagrees with the actions of the government is also not immune from this. In addition to these acts, several more directives of a similar orientation appeared.
      And on March 20, 2003, the bombing of Baghdad began, although 70% of the terrorists were Saudis.

      Our government, I see, is not going to correct system errors, but will gladly introduce further restrictions using the situation, like the Americans. And after all, no one will blather. Why, they find it easier, calmer, the people in the stall.
    5. Slinqshot
      Slinqshot 25 October 2018 08: 34
      +37
      Mizulina is a complete populist. If you do as she wants, then half the Soviet cinema should be banned - starting with Chapaev and They fought for their homeland and ending with US-2 aka Show boobs. And here we have bans on the old mimra, whose son lives abroad and is engaged in the protection of gays.
      1. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 25 October 2018 12: 01
        +11
        Mizulin needs to be banned, all her initiatives are given some sort of moronism, to work with the minds of the younger generation, and not to ban bullets in all directions, the effect of the bans can be the opposite (the forbidden fruit is always sweet), what will they achieve? As always, going into the shadows and on the market games and on the arms market. Here I love to drive in the GTA, but the thought of arranging a GTA on the street somehow does not arise.
    6. Sadko88
      Sadko88 25 October 2018 08: 35
      -3
      Military service should be mandatory and courses should be on-site under the supervision of a psychologist and an experienced instructor, and not several hours but several days. Characteristics from the place of work are required. This is for the short barrel. For the long barrel, there is also the basis of the acquisition, plus re-certification not once every five years. This, including for the citizen himself, is necessary as an element of his self-defense and the safety of his loved ones
      1. kit88
        kit88 25 October 2018 08: 53
        +2
        In my opinion, a chip is needed to minimize the use of legal weapons in such crimes. But the chip is not for global positioning, with a bunch of voiced problems such as how to track and how to punish if the chip is dead. A simple one, so that it would loudly "ring" on the security console when approaching a guarded object, so that it would be impossible to carry it unnoticed into any school or station.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 25 October 2018 09: 06
          +2
          Quote: kit88
          A simple one, so that it would loudly "ring" on the security console when approaching a guarded object, so that it would be impossible to carry it unnoticed into any school or station.

          Roslyakov through an uncontrolled fire exit came in with weapons, there was nothing to ring
          1. kit88
            kit88 25 October 2018 09: 36
            0
            Quote: kit88
            when approaching a protected object

            make a larger range
            These are already technical issues. Hang sensors at least on each window.
        2. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 25 October 2018 09: 11
          +6
          Quote: kit88
          In my opinion, in order to minimize the use of legal weapons in such crimes, we need a chip.

          In the head?
          1. kit88
            kit88 25 October 2018 09: 38
            +5
            And let's get to this. But thank God, I will not survive until these times.
        3. Ross_ulair
          Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 09: 40
          +3
          Quote: kit88
          to no station

          And how long have we been banned from riding hunting weapons on buses and trains?
          Or should I go to the police every time I decide to hunt 40 km from home, but will I get on a minibus?
          1. kit88
            kit88 25 October 2018 09: 50
            0
            Quote: kit88
            it was impossible to smuggle

            Are you quietly trying to carry your arsenal? Don't you show the guards what’s ringing at the entrance to the station now?
            You are not talking about that at all.
            I say that now everything is ringing on the "Frames" and for all people passing through them - from the keys in the pocket to the cardan shaft in the case. And not everyone is inspected by the guards.
            And at my suggestion - a special sensor will detect the approach of a weapon.
            1. Ross_ulair
              Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 09: 55
              +1
              Quote: kit88
              Are you quietly trying to carry your arsenal?

              No, the cover behind him as if hints yes

              Quote: kit88
              now everything rings on the "Frames" and for all people passing through them - from keys in a pocket to a cardan shaft in a case. And not everyone is inspected by the guards.

              For the weekend with my family, they rode to the capital of our Motherland - the frames are literally everywhere. And yet they checked us with a suitcase when that frame squealed. A laptop was driving in a suitcase.

              Quote: kit88
              You are not talking about that at all.

              Maybe I didn’t understand correctly, I apologize drinks
              1. kit88
                kit88 25 October 2018 10: 01
                0
                The suitcase is large; it may contain a bag of TNT.
                And so your hands go into your pockets. ringing - they look at you - there is no beard - does not look like ISIS (banned in the Russian Federation), the machine gun does not stick out of your pocket - no one slows down.
            2. Ottor
              Ottor 25 October 2018 10: 49
              +2
              How does this prevent the passage of IEDs?
              1. Irokez
                Irokez 25 October 2018 14: 18
                0
                Quote: Ottor
                How does this prevent the passage of IEDs?

                No way. We are talking only about a firearm.
        4. Galleon
          Galleon 25 October 2018 09: 54
          +3
          But why there, let's make it simpler, wider and denser!
          Install trigger locks on all trunks and remove them in the Russian Guard only for the duration of the hunting license. That's where the golden rain will go!
        5. ghby
          ghby 25 October 2018 10: 30
          0
          Quote: kit88
          A simple one, so that it would loudly "ring" on the security console when approaching a guarded object, so that it would be impossible to carry it unnoticed into any school or station.

          Good idea, like an anti-theft system in supermarkets.
          1. Ross_ulair
            Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 10: 44
            +3
            Quote: ghby
            Sensible thought

            And if someone acquires a smooth home for self-defense? Shrug it off like a club?
            Or will self-defense be outlawed, and "my home is my fortress" is a terribly intolerant expression from the nightmare past?
            1. ghby
              ghby 25 October 2018 10: 57
              -1
              Quote: ROSS_Ulair
              And if someone acquires a smooth home for self-defense? Shrug it off like a club?
              Or will self-defense be outlawed, and "my home is my fortress" is a terribly intolerant expression from the nightmare past?

              It was about a system such as anti-theft used in stores. How you managed to connect it with self-defense of the mind I can’t imagine. It only signals that a weapon is in the zone of responsibility, conditionally, a red lamp on the remote control will light up at the guard. (name of the owner of the weapon, his photo, etc.).
              1. Ross_ulair
                Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 11: 07
                +1
                Originally respected Galleon wrote
                Quote: Galleon
                Install trigger locks on all trunks and remove them in the Russian Guard only for the duration of the hunting license


                You answered:

                Quote: ghby
                Good idea, like an anti-theft system in supermarkets.


                Quote: ghby
                It was about a system such as anti-theft used in stores. How you managed to connect it with self-defense of the mind I can’t imagine. It only signals that a weapon is in the zone of responsibility, conditionally, a red lamp on the remote control will light up at the guard. (name of the owner of the weapon, his photo, etc.).

                And what am I wrong in? It seems a logical question-answer relationship can be traced ...
                1. ghby
                  ghby 25 October 2018 11: 14
                  +4
                  Quote: ROSS_Ulair
                  And what am I wrong in? It seems a logical question-answer relationship can be traced ...

                  Not right. First you need to learn how to read the forum. After that, you can understand whose message I replied, expressing my opinion. To facilitate perception, the forum has a citation mechanism that you can use. So if you look at my message, you can see that in the quote I didn’t give the message you pointed to, so you read the forum posts incorrectly and you had a false reading.
                  1. Ross_ulair
                    Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 11: 23
                    +4
                    Your truth! Problem ... Inattentive was.
                    I apologize! drinks
                    1. ghby
                      ghby 25 October 2018 11: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: ROSS_Ulair
                      Your truth! Problem ... Inattentive was.
                      I apologize!

                      drinks
    7. Frieda
      Frieda 25 October 2018 09: 09
      +5
      Quote: Vard
      Well, what can they not come up with ... if only they wouldn’t allow the short-barrel?

      I would say that they will not come up with anything, just not to work. Mizulina and Milonov have one idea, more credible than the other. Games are to blame for everything, and the fact that games have an age limit, they apparently do not know. Until when in the State Duma of the Russian Federation will "boots be made by pies", can they really not find specialized specialists, instead of people with a purely humanitarian mindset, like Yarovaya, Mizulina and Yinsh who, in matters that are taken to "regulate" exam.
    8. neri73-r
      neri73-r 25 October 2018 10: 50
      -1
      Quote: Vard
      Moreover, if a bullet from a pistol is very easy to identify, then a bullet from a traumatic pistol cannot be unified ...

      Who told you that? Everything is identified, signs by which it is possible to identify the mass, and not just the marks from the rifling of the trunk!
      1. K9_SWAT
        K9_SWAT 25 October 2018 15: 01
        0
        Sorry, but for this you need to detain the suspect and seize the injury. And the bullet will be removed and cut into the owner’s file cabinet.
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 25 October 2018 15: 04
          -1
          Quote: K9_SWAT
          Sorry, but for this you need to detain the suspect and seize the injury. And the bullet will be removed and cut into the owner’s file cabinet.

          Sorry, only if this gun was shot and is in the file cabinet! And shooting every five years of use, or the picture of the trunk changes, but if there is no sleeve, then the seams! So sho and in the case of a firearm the same thing. fellow
    9. Machito
      Machito 25 October 2018 12: 09
      +2
      Prohibit and do not let go. They cannot offer anything else. So cheaper. And ochlos under control. It’s not for you to develop youth programs, although it’s possible to steal a lot from them.
    10. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 October 2018 14: 18
      0
      Quote: Vard
      Well, what can they not come up with ... if only they would not allow the short-barrel.

      What will you write when with this short barrel, some student will come to school. Or distribute machines to teachers.
      Few people die from a gunshot
    11. Oden280
      Oden280 25 October 2018 16: 50
      +3
      Insanity of all branches of power grows stronger
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 25 October 2018 08: 01
    +8
    from weapons chips to superfines for violent games. Ideas after the tragedy in Kerch
    Where have all such clever men got out. Where have you been before? Including this aunt with a photo. Where has come down to think about us laughingAll this crap now, it’s just crap. It’s like instead of knowing that you fall ill in an ice hole. Begin treatment in a couple of days
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    2. Imobile
      Imobile 25 October 2018 09: 48
      +12
      Now everyone is trying to get hold of the tragedy. RosGvardia wants new rules that cannot be connected with the case, Mizulina has long been making grandmothers on everything, the FSB said that progress is hurting the country and it is necessary to return to caves and sticks. If earlier, with a stretch, the decisions coincided with the situation, then this situation is "into no gate" The Kerch shooter did not play games, did not consist in sects, even consisted of patriotic publics, in general, according to the authorities, he was an exemplary citizen, with whom he wants to educate everyone.
  3. Antidote
    Antidote 25 October 2018 08: 02
    +13
    Deny Yunarmia, shooting galleries, movies, kitchen knives?
    Does she really think that's the point? IMHO Patrushev is closer to the truth than this senile.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 October 2018 08: 14
      +13
      Quote: Antidote
      Deny Yunarmia, shooting galleries, movies, kitchen knives?
      Does she really think that's the point? IMHO Patrushev is closer to the truth than this senile.

      We thinkers are capable of anything, the government .. you can only prohibit it audibly .. and not let it go!
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 25 October 2018 08: 21
        +10
        Svarog (Vladimir)
        We thinkers are capable of anything, the government .. you can only prohibit it audibly .. and not let it go!
        Yes. With a cup of cocoa with milk in a post of Balzac age on a white leather sofa to show off :: Ready to serve the people another three hundred years. Like a tortoise tortilla wassat
        1. Slinqshot
          Slinqshot 25 October 2018 08: 36
          +9
          Balzac age is 30 years old, gentlemen. She has a post-post-Balzac age. Climax and dementia in all its glory.
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 25 October 2018 09: 03
            +5
            Slinqshot (Avis)
            Balzac age is 30 years old, gentlemen. She has a post-post-Balzac age. Climax and dementia in all its glory.
            And here it is. According to their new proposals, youth is now up to 60 years old. laughingSo this aunt will give birth for clarity wassat Together with other aunts of our wounded beau monde! To prove that to live and work after 60 years, you can easily laughing
            1. Slinqshot
              Slinqshot 25 October 2018 09: 04
              +5
              Judging by the bite, she will give birth to a maximum of a bulldog.
            2. Frieda
              Frieda 25 October 2018 09: 22
              +4
              Quote: Observer2014
              So this aunt will give birth for clarity

              It is unlikely that she spoke out against sex. laughing
          2. Same lech
            Same lech 25 October 2018 10: 26
            +2
            Balzac age is 30 years old, gentlemen. She has a post-post-Balzac age. Climax and dementia in all its glory.


            Worse gentlemen ... worse ... judging by the way she sat in a chair ... by her face ... by her eyes this man imagines himself to be the noblewoman Saltykova ... whom everything is permissible and which indignant people do not care ..
  4. spec.78
    spec.78 25 October 2018 08: 16
    +2
    Blood PR, which borders on ...... and ......... It would be easy to lower it to the ground for a year to see what is happening, otherwise you probably already forgot about it.
  5. spec.78
    spec.78 25 October 2018 08: 18
    +1
    I’ve been convinced more than once that real pros do not speak, but do. And these now raised a cry, all and sundry
  6. Graz
    Graz 25 October 2018 08: 18
    0
    nothing to do people called
  7. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 25 October 2018 08: 21
    +8
    So you can reach insanity - forbid children to watch "Wait a minute !! and ninja turtles. belay And about Masha and the bear, too, in no case to watch. There is a sea of ​​violence! crying
    1. kit88
      kit88 25 October 2018 09: 27
      +6
      Come on. In modern cartoons, violence is minimized.
      And try reading the classics of the XNUMXth or early XNUMXth century. Just hair stand on end from the abundance of violence. How the Wolf eats Little Red Riding Hood’s grandmother, how the Fox eats the main character Rooster at the end of the tale, how Baba Yaga is going to fry the children alive.
      This is what happens, Grinevitsky has read fairy tales and went to kill Alexander II?

      A man at night under the lamp is looking for something.
      - Hey, what are you doing here?
      - Yes, I dropped my wallet.
      - Here?
      - No, there are in the bushes.
      “What are you looking for here then?”
      - And here it is lighter ...
  8. moreman78
    moreman78 25 October 2018 08: 22
    +1
    I didn’t come up with anything smarter! Just to show a seething stormy activity!
  9. ALEX_SHTURMAN
    ALEX_SHTURMAN 25 October 2018 08: 24
    +6
    It is forbidden to make statements such as Mizulina, what a strong feeling they have that they are creative, they generate the truth itself, and maybe even the essence. To create next barriers to people and corruption niches for bureaucrats is all that they are capable of! But Mizulina didn’t have a simple question: Why can I drink vodka from the age of 21, and get the barrel at 18 ?! That is, in fact, we have already allowed weapons, so it means that the entire population needs to resolve the barrel shortly. With limitations, of course, only after 21 years with psychological examination and after passing at least a month's courses! If only all the teachers had a short trunk, this animal would be shot!
    1. Ross_ulair
      Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 10: 07
      -2
      Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
      If only all the teachers had a short trunk, this animal would be shot!

      Absolutely unfounded statement, not based on anything.
      Weapons don't kill. A man with a weapon is killing. And if a person is not able to psychologically shoot and kill, he will not do it. And lie there. Together with the "short-barreled". And the Roslyakovs will get an extra barrel for the collection

      It is strange that VO has to explain common truths ...
      1. ALEX_SHTURMAN
        ALEX_SHTURMAN 25 October 2018 10: 44
        +7
        Some teachers got up with their breasts covering their children and were killed by this scumbag, he did the same with the guys who threw stones at him to distract his attention! Those. the person you think is able to protect himself with his chest, but he is not capable of killing a ghoul ?! How can you write such nonsense, then they would all be alive! The Roslyakovs and all the bandits do not need the law, and so they have weapons! Sorry, but you write full foolishness also comparing normal people with this ghoul Roslyakov!

        Malakhov and the company find out from whom the child of the raped girl is there, Shepelev is not better at the same channel on the first channel! All sorts of radio stations with state funding for Gazprom money working for the collapse of Russia! All kinds of rains there, Houses 2. Tell us bureaucrats we have so much money that there is nowhere to put it ?! With this money, you can build swimming pools and sports halls and keep your kids busy with SPORTS !!! Plus, schools refused to raise children: ideology is prohibited here! I remember at the lessons of History, the teachers constantly turned on films and talked about the heroes and exploits of the Second World War. They drove to museums and military campaigns, I remember how I cried and clenched my fists at the same time, having learned the story of Zoe Kosmodemyanskoy girl 18 years old, maybe she had never kissed, and what a courageous and courageous feat she accomplished! What is now being told at school in history lessons and whether the children of teachers listen when I don’t know iPhones in my head ..
        1. Ross_ulair
          Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 11: 14
          -2
          Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
          Some teachers got up with their breasts covering their children and were killed by this scumbag, he did the same with the guys who threw stones at him to distract his attention! Those. the person you think is able to protect himself with his chest, but he is not capable of killing a ghoul ?!

          Yes, I think so.
          Many are capable of sacrificing themselves, but they are not capable of killing another.
          "Kina you need to watch less American" (c)

          A person without proper preparation, including psychological training, is not able to control weapons. Especially in a stressful situation. He is nothing more than a target and a potential extra clip for the geek and the killer.

          Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
          you write full foolishness also comparing normal people with this ghoul Roslyakov!

          But from this place in more detail ...
          Where. I. Compare. Normal. Of man. With a geek?
          With a quote, please.
          1. ALEX_SHTURMAN
            ALEX_SHTURMAN 25 October 2018 11: 36
            +5
            I grew up on books and movies made in the USSR, I don’t need people to teach what to watch, otherwise they can advise where to go. Well, they may not compare, but this is your phrase: And the Roslyakovs will get an extra barrel in the collection. For some completely random circumstances, people with a broken head have weapons, but to normal people, you mean you refuse a chance for salvation? Do you even understand that he did not take out the trunk in the gateway and pointed it at someone? In such a situation, of course, whether you’ll have time to pull out your options a little if you are already looking at the sawn-off shotgun. But here he methodically shot people for an hour, and you want to say if at least one person with a short barrel would not give him a rebuff? And naturally, I do not call for everyone to have weapons! It should not be cheap, only after a rigorous psycholigical examination, including with preparation for such situations, only after 21 years and after serving in the army.
            1. Ross_ulair
              Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 11: 43
              -2
              Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
              I grew up on books and movies made in the USSR

              Similarly

              Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
              Well, maybe they didn’t compare, but this is your phrase: And the Roslyakovs will get an extra barrel in the collection

              And there is. The only point is that they will kill a teacher who couldn’t use a weapon and take his barrel.
              No need to read between the lines!

              Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
              For some completely random circumstances, people with a broken head have weapons, but to normal people, you mean you refuse a chance for salvation?

              I'm on the contrary for legalization yes
              With the amendment, that permission should be obtained not just, but like a VU. With theoretical training, practice, etc. And the normal number of hours for theory, for practice.

              Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
              But here he methodically shot people for an hour

              Less than 10 minutes from explosion to self-cutting.
              1. ALEX_SHTURMAN
                ALEX_SHTURMAN 25 October 2018 11: 53
                +1
                Thank God, in the end we came to the same thing. I am also for legalization and also for preparation. And at the expense of psychological preparation, you’re right, it’s more complicated, it all starts from childhood: What kind of child read books, what was put in his head, how he sees himself in society, whether he puts his life above others, whether he is ready for self-sacrifice. But I am sure we have many such people, and they were there too. That’s exactly what they need to allow weapons for, they need to start at least with people with military awards, and allow them to carry weapons.
                1. Ross_ulair
                  Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 12: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
                  Thank God, in the end we came to the same thing

                  drinks

                  Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
                  And at the expense of psychological preparation, you’re right, it’s more complicated, it all starts from childhood: What kind of child read books, what was put in his head, how he sees himself in society, whether he puts his life above others, whether he is ready for self-sacrifice

                  From childhood, from the 4 years, as Kozheduba read out to holes, he asked himself: they describe the situation, how the guided commander covered himself up and died in battle - and I could have done that ?! And now I wonder. But with age, I understand that you will receive an answer only in the same situation.


                  Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
                  But I am sure we have many such people, and they were there too. That’s precisely what they need to allow weapons for, they need to start at least with people with military awards, and allow them to carry weapons.

                  We have now, like Orwell - black is white.
                  You fill up the geek, and then you sit down - for the geek will turn out to be a positive character according to the reviews of his relatives and friends.
                  1. ALEX_SHTURMAN
                    ALEX_SHTURMAN 25 October 2018 12: 36
                    +1
                    A very cool example about Kozhedub drinks And I will forever remember the book "Chatos Go to the Attack!" About our heroic pilots who fought in the skies of Spain. The story of a sniper girl Rosa Shanina who destroyed 75 fascists, 12 of which were snipers! She did not live to see the end of the war, only 3 months, she was only 20 years old! Lydia Litvyak girl fighter in 2.5 years of fighting destroyed 14 Nazi aircraft died on August 1, 1943 in the sky over Donbas she was only 21 years old! We have many heroes of real immortal feats! God forbid a war happens, I only pray to God to give me the strength not to be afraid, but to destroy the enemy based on such examples!
                    1. Ross_ulair
                      Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 12: 44
                      +1
                      Read "In August 41st" by Ivan Koshkin. Three books like he has.
                      The author is modern, but it is written very cool!

                      Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
                      God forbid war happens, I pray God only to give me strength not to be afraid, but based on such examples to destroy the enemy!

                      I apologize for pathos with you, there will be no other choice.
                      For our ancestors look at us who fell, but did not give up.
                      Dead shame does not belong
      2. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 25 October 2018 12: 12
        +2
        will do if the question "either me or me" is checked. yes
  10. Tsoy
    Tsoy 25 October 2018 08: 31
    +8
    It turns out the games are to blame ...

    where in games there is a demonstration of violent acts. According to the representative of Sovfeda, such sites today include Google, YouTube, Facebook and others, where the games are “close to reality.”


    What is the connection between computer games and a search engine with a social network? If we talk about the sites on which violence is demonstrated, the TV would be turned on. There and rape on several programs are discussed, and the attacks and calls to bomb Europe with nuclear weapons. Will they be fined too?
    1. Frieda
      Frieda 25 October 2018 09: 26
      +10
      Quote: Choi
      What is the connection between computer games and a search engine with a social network?

      The most direct, in neither one nor the other Mizulin does not drag. For her, all this is a very terrible "witchcraft", and therefore - to forbid!
    2. 777-3-59-97
      777-3-59-97 25 October 2018 11: 01
      +9
      Computer games, online games save more young people from drinking, drugs, street hooligans than all the ministries of health and home affairs combined. Especially in those cities where stadiums are killed, courtyards are built up, streets are not lit up and policemen are drunk
  11. please
    please 25 October 2018 08: 35
    0
    In general, it’s a completely sensible idea, as always, they are surrounded by idiocy and stupidly blabbering. This is the style and method of work of today's authorities. A case like Kerch was in the Moscow Region, two years ago, an office worker shot his colleagues. What has changed since then in the sale of weapons and obtaining a license?
  12. Guru
    Guru 25 October 2018 08: 44
    +10
    Mizulina-Sick woman with a broken psyche. She always bears complete nonsense.
    Watch her performances, and all doubts about my rightness will disappear.
    1. Slinqshot
      Slinqshot 25 October 2018 08: 59
      +11
      Even Milonov with his Orthodoxy of the brain is at times adequate against its background. The question is how did she get into politics in general, and even more so in senators? I am silent about the deputies - we have such a panopticon, not inferior to the Sumerian one.
  13. NordUral
    NordUral 25 October 2018 08: 57
    +10
    You are in power much worse for young people than these games.
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 25 October 2018 09: 01
    +2
    Deputies invent everything, pass laws, give directions. in short CARE about all of us, it seems ???
    Only the feeling that they are missing something! Competencies, common sense can?
    There is a big problem, only it will have to be solved in a comprehensive manner and this is not a solution right now, some tomorrow. This is for a long time, as long as significant changes take place in our society.
    However, it was necessary to start yesterday, otherwise it will drag on for a long time in the unknown how far!
    1. Ross_ulair
      Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 10: 14
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Only the feeling that they are missing something!

      They don't have enough money. And a beautiful life. And preferably away from "this country" (in their well-established expression).

      Threat My opinion, Pb in their heads is lacking ... That's because what bad luck is such an important element of the periodic system in their organisms am
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 October 2018 10: 22
        +3
        Quote: ROSS_Ulair
        opinion, Pb in their heads they lack

        Where is the metal there yet? There almost everything is filled with iron, because they make a ringing ... all over the world!
        I am a supporter of the sharply sharpened "pencil", in the nth place. He won’t add to his mind, of course, but the bearing will be like ... like that of the guards!
  15. Cycle boss
    Cycle boss 25 October 2018 09: 04
    -1
    Children, youth must be busy. Sports sections, circles are different and then time for crazy thoughts will be less.
    1. Slinqshot
      Slinqshot 25 October 2018 09: 32
      +2
      Immediately take the army from 3 years old. Schaub were busy. Or do you remember the "totalitarian society and the damned scoop" - where they worked individually with everyone !!! Nobody will go to the "circles" just like that. Often, children go to the same sections at the will of their parents (thanks to such parents), and not because the child himself wants it.
      1. minus
        minus 25 October 2018 10: 07
        +3
        They want me here. But I can’t send the middle one to the artist - there are no places, it’s only paid ... And it seems that it’s not much, but I can not ... In schools, requisitions, in kindergartens ... Class fund, class fund ... Only for the senior I gave money to the parent committee with pleasure. There they took equipment for a class, and they bought a cooler in the class ... Now he is with an average in another school. About a week and a half they just did not study! Either elections, holidays, then some other events. They do not even work out their school curriculum. .... But ask for money for a chevron with the logo of the gymnasium! They called school 10 a gymnasium .... Tfu ... But the teachers are really stupid. And they don’t even know what or when and what will happen according to the program ... But parents should, they are simply obligated to register in the indicated social networks and constantly search and check. And you won’t come at 11 o’clock, you may not know that tomorrow you will again carry money or your studies have been canceled ...
        1. Slinqshot
          Slinqshot 25 October 2018 10: 19
          +3
          A capitalist society with an increasingly fascist bias ...
  16. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 25 October 2018 09: 08
    +1
    On the one hand, Mizulina is right, it is necessary to limit casual shooters, on the other, the citrona's fundamental problem is that there is no ideology of creating a personality now, not at all. The school does not educate, there is no moral code, no concept of the meaning of life, Religion embraces only a small part of the population ..... everyone hypocritically worries about the "terrible tragedy" in Kerch, but they forget about the millions of lost lives, every day = adoholism, drug addiction, abortion , suicide, perversions of all kinds mow people down, kills souls in packs of hundreds, thousands and no one is indignant, no one laments, And here about 20 people how many hypocritical lamentations, and proud assurances of our own sincerity and compassion, here we are who are empathizing and denouncing everyone and all .... to look at myself in the mirror.
    1. Slinqshot
      Slinqshot 25 October 2018 09: 28
      +9
      Explain why you need to limit video games? How, for whom and why? But Dostoevsky should not be prohibited? And then someone will read it and go with an ax to wave? Or the Captain's daughter - there is generally incitement to rebellion. And the Tale of Bygone Years and the Bible - in the same place, it is solid.
      For Roslyakov, Columbine became the impetus for the crime. This is not a movie or a video game. This is news. Introduce a ban or censorship of bad news?
      1. Frieda
        Frieda 25 October 2018 09: 51
        +4
        Quote: Slinqshot
        Introduce a ban or censorship of bad news?

        Quite a sensible idea. No kidding. Prohibiting bad news, of course, is not worth it, but the "sucking" of various tragedies should be limited, otherwise some programs, just the same snuff of some kind, with repetitions, discussions, savoring. So it turns out that "one cannot become famous for good deeds." If you want to get into the "box" - do some abomination, as they say - all advertising, except for the obituary. They introduced a restriction on the discussion of terrorist acts and terrorist attacks, to a large extent, lost information support. While programs like "Let them talk", "Live broadcast" and others, sucking various abominations for the sake of rating, will be released on state channels, there will always be those who will commit them, for the sake of their own popularity, especially those who have no skills or abilities to become famous anything else. IMHO. hi
        1. Slinqshot
          Slinqshot 25 October 2018 10: 00
          +3
          I understand you, but such a project will result in a ban on discussing the powers that be, and on the news they’ll only roll videos about overfulfillment, unprecedented harvests and so on. It will not be the likeness of Soviet television, it will be Goebbels 2.0
          1. Frieda
            Frieda 25 October 2018 11: 59
            +1
            Quote: Slinqshot
            I understand you, but such a project will result in a ban on discussing the powers that be, and on the news they’ll only roll videos about overfulfillment, unprecedented harvests and so on. It will not be the likeness of Soviet television, it will be Goebbels 2.0

            I disagree with you. I meant the limitation of fanning the excitement around all sorts of tragedies and all sorts of abominations, and not silence and the transition to "News from the fields", which tells about the milking-mowing. Malakhov and others like him make "drop dead stories" out of human tragedies, often in several parts, with savoring the details, they must be strictly censored, and "creatives" are ruthlessly fined. Moreover, various initiators, such as Milonov, do not hesitate to "bargain a face" on such programs, that is, they actually advertise on someone else's misfortune, angrily shaking their fists and threatening the guilty with terrible punishments, after which such initiatives appear. I believe that the state should suppress this practice in the bud. hi
        2. Galleon
          Galleon 25 October 2018 12: 49
          +2
          Sorry to interfere with your conversation. In 1940, Churchill banned the bad news about the German bombings and the number of casualties, so that the nation would not become discouraged and weakened (see his book, vol. 1, "The Second World War"). It was done expediently and reasonably, don’t you?
  17. Alex66
    Alex66 25 October 2018 09: 09
    +11
    The first thing to do is to expel from the government and officials all who live in two countries to start with Mizulina. What patriotic upbringing, she did not raise her son, and teachers like her are a dime a dozen. They don’t want to study in Russia, they are not going to be treated, they’re not going to live, they just take out the loot, until we get rid of them and nothing comes of such teachers or who does not believe.
  18. Ilterr
    Ilterr 25 October 2018 09: 32
    +12
    Games have long been no longer fun for children and make them for adults with an established psyche. If the child has no obstacles to purchasing 18+ content (Mature), then what does the content have to do with it? Why don't parents keep tabs on age restrictions? Why not enter access to 18+ games by ID, as is done in many countries (For example, South Korea, where various games are a national sport). We have everything through the ass - to ban everything, to shoot everyone.
    1. Slinqshot
      Slinqshot 25 October 2018 09: 52
      +3
      You can recall one of our deputy, who began to stink about MV2, such as a young son playing, and then there is blood, intestines, etc. After it became clear that the product is intended for adults, it quickly merged.
      1. minus
        minus 25 October 2018 10: 45
        +2
        Yes, that is right. Mine now have a maximum of minecraft access. And in the first place they did not discuss fights, but who made what and what ... Petty comes up and asks how to create this, how to create that ... Yes, after that they go on survival ... But creation in first of all!
        1. Mimoprohodil
          Mimoprohodil 25 October 2018 14: 37
          0
          Kerch shooter in minecraft played
  19. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 25 October 2018 09: 52
    +1
    All these "initiatives" only clearly indicate the inability of the authorities to adequately assess the essence of the problem and, therefore, fend off the threats associated with it.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 25 October 2018 10: 23
      +2
      Quote: The Siberian Barber
      All these "initiatives" only clearly indicate the inability of the authorities to adequately assess the essence of the problem and, therefore, fend off the threats associated with it.

      that's it! everything else is an imitation of violent activity.
  20. PiP
    PiP 25 October 2018 09: 55
    +8
    In GROBU, I saw their initiatives, and their creators are the same! Prohibit games, movies with scenes of violence, and what? Already, insanity is happening in films and cartoons. Cigarettes and bottles are being retouched, abusive words (not swearing, but acceptable in the Russian language) are screaming, scenes of violence (just last week "Forest Gump" watched with retouch). Illusory greenhouse conditions are being created, they say this cannot / should not be. Soon the movie will look like fog, and in the center of the screen there is only the face of the protagonist and then if he has no defects. In the "enlightened west" they have already fought against violence in games, the sense of this is ZERO.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 25 October 2018 10: 21
      0
      Quote: PiP
      In GROBU, I saw their initiatives, and their creators are the same! Prohibit games, movies with scenes of violence, and what? Already now, insanity is going on in films and cartoons. Cigarettes and bottles are being retouched, abusive words (not swearing, but acceptable in the Russian language) are screaming, scenes of violence (just last week "Forest Gump" watched with retouch).

      I support the opinion, it comes to complete insanity fool ... Well, at one time I collected a film library on DVD, the grandchildren will then at least look at the smoking Wolf or how Lopakhin is spinning a cigarette in "They Fought for the Motherland", or Yegor Prokudin is drinking wine in "Kalina Krasnaya".
  21. HMR333
    HMR333 25 October 2018 09: 56
    +2
    Narmal children need to be educated and all sects banned by all but the main churches! the games are to blame for her, I also play but I don’t walk the streets and cut off anyone’s head, etc. culture and education of the population need to be engaged and not garbage to offer all for PR!
    1. Slinqshot
      Slinqshot 25 October 2018 10: 09
      +7
      I dabble in a series of strategies from Total Var - Rome, Medieval, Empire! Can you imagine what a maniac I am? am
      1. Ross_ulair
        Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 10: 49
        +5
        And there is also the ArmA series - a tactical combat simulator.
        There you can generally study tactics in a situation close to reality. And if still on the network with friends - a finished partisan and deeply conspiracy cell for a coup!
      2. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 25 October 2018 12: 44
        +2
        Massive)) I also adore this series)) drinks
  22. the same doctor
    the same doctor 25 October 2018 10: 17
    0
    technical means of social problems do not solve. It is necessary to reduce the degree of tension in society. Secondly: Boiling and indignation of the people are realized by the most unstable: children and psychos. guns are forbidden to be sold to psychos, but doctors do not detect psychos. It is necessary to allow selling weapons only to those who have served: there are fewer loonies there than in the population. It is necessary to require a guarantee of two people (as with a loan) to compensate for the probable damage before the sale. Close people always know better and will not give guarantees in vain. Well, you must raise the age limit, while allowing hunters and small nations to educate their children, and their children to use weapons under the supervision of adults.
    .
    And Mizulina’s ideas are nonsense and a waste of money. How information will help. that the chip arrived at school? How will she help prevent the execution? then before chipping there should be a law on places where weapons cannot be carried. It is better to prohibit its sale to dubious individuals by chip control at home, to prescribe sports weapons at shooting ranges, and to sell weapons for self-defense only by court order or to members of voluntary police. At all. if a person needs a weapon for self-defense, it means that he is incapable, unstable and potentially dangerous. It is impossible to give just such a weapon. But protection from real threats by law enforcement agencies needs to be improved. But Mizulina prefers to deal with chips.
    1. Ross_ulair
      Ross_ulair 25 October 2018 10: 58
      +4
      Quote: also a doctor
      served: there are fewer loonies

      As much as everywhere. About a little more. Which does not stop to shoot colleagues and officers.

      Quote: also a doctor
      How information will help. that the chip arrived at school? How will she help prevent the execution?

      Absolutely agree! No way! It will not be possible to prevent.

      Quote: also a doctor
      then before chipping there should be a law on places where weapons cannot be carried.

      How does this help? Weapons in schools and so can not be carried

      Quote: also a doctor
      At all. if a person needs a weapon for self-defense, then he is non-lifeful, unstable and potentially dangerous.

      Complete nonsense!
      I need a gun because I want to protect my family from thugs / robbers / rapists / murderers / trash gangsters. With them I am ready to be "quarrelsome", "unstable" and "potentially dangerous".
      How will my possession of weapons prevent other citizens who are not in these categories?

      Quote: also a doctor
      But protection from real threats by law enforcement agencies needs to be improved.

      In his own area in the area, the PPS patrol saw him for the last time ... but he never saw him at all! Only in the city center it happens!
      And how were law enforcement officers going to protect me in my native area? Or after they rob me / cripple / kill them in improved and accelerated ways, they will reveal this crime? So what good is it for me ??
    2. Slinqshot
      Slinqshot 25 October 2018 13: 14
      +1
      Do not forget, he had homemade bombs. Banned household chemicals?
  23. New Year day
    New Year day 25 October 2018 10: 20
    +5
    everyone rushed to earn points.
    Rosgvardia - on licensing "private security companies, politicians - on their own importance.
    But the essence of the problem remains unshakable. It remains to pass a law banning the cutting of bread by adolescents, no matter what happens. What did Lavrov say there?
  24. toha124
    toha124 25 October 2018 10: 29
    +3
    This is all from the compuctor. Grace used to be. People lived together. There were no wars, revolutions. People did not kill or mutilate each other. Even torture was not used during the inquiry. But then .... Then in the 1980s some villains came up with computer games. And what started here ...
    1. Slinqshot
      Slinqshot 25 October 2018 13: 12
      +1
      Already the first computer games were extremely cruel - Space invaders, Pakman, Super Mario ...
  25. the same doctor
    the same doctor 25 October 2018 10: 33
    +1
    Weapon laws did not protect the kids in Kerch. Let’s surname recall who passed these laws. And remember the amendments. introduced by the same Zhirinovsky. Zyuganov ... Who allowed to sell weapons to children from the age of 18, not the same Mizulin?
  26. prior
    prior 25 October 2018 10: 34
    +4
    What the characters of computer horror films do are childish pranks compared to what all sorts of "Mizulins" do. The harm from their activities and life activity is incomparably greater and more significant.
    1. minus
      minus 25 October 2018 10: 55
      +4
      Here! Even in the game they can kill ... And the child will get upset ... Even the game from this can quit. But in real life, children see a huge number of unsinkable criminals. ... Zpkon is not written to them, there is no responsibility ... This is partly why many crimes have been provoked in our time. Some are trying to break into the "elite", while others, realizing that they will never succeed, take extreme steps ...
  27. Prutkov
    Prutkov 25 October 2018 11: 33
    +3
    You can’t do with prohibitions alone. It is not possible to forbid a conscript not only to Ak-74 in the army to forbid a person who has reached the age of majority to buy weapons). Of course, at the age of 18 - 20, there is still a wind in my head. The presence of satellite tracking and the blocking of weapons by fingerprints would not have prevented a tragedy similar to what happened in Kerch. Perhaps it makes sense to sell weapons to young people in the presence of an adult surety who has been working with weapons for at least 5 years. And of course, toughening the requirements for social networks for posting content advertising aggression and murder.
  28. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 25 October 2018 11: 54
    +1
    Mizulina, excuse me, but not from a great mind these ideas are promoting. As for the games, it’s too late already ... Yes, and the problem of Russia is not the presence or absence of weapons in the hands of the people, the lack of laws, severe enough by the way, and not the execution of them by the authorities ...
  29. Radikal
    Radikal 25 October 2018 11: 58
    0
    Quote: Vard
    ... then a bullet from a traumatic gun cannot be unified ...
    You wanted to say - identify? sad
  30. Hort
    Hort 25 October 2018 12: 11
    +1
    contest of moronic ideas and proposals announced open ....
  31. Kerensky
    Kerensky 25 October 2018 12: 47
    +1
    I read the comments. Many people advocate for a short barrel, as a weapon of self-defense of hidden wearing. And for some reason I imagined a non-lethal light-noise (shock) grenade. Compact, minimum training, established serial production (unit price). What is not a weapon of self-defense?
    It is possible to place at the facilities, like a fire extinguishing system. Activation from the remote control.
    Certify for civilian use and go, to the market. Will the kids blow up? Well, they will buy one swagger, they will rush behind the garages, they will become stunned.
    Now firecrackers in bulk, we sawed magnesium in childhood ....
    What would happen to Roslyakov if there were a couple dozen grenades in the whole technical school? I would sit, psychiatrists poured out their problems ....
    1. albert
      albert 25 October 2018 18: 36
      0
      Then some stun gun firing electricity is much better than a short barrel yes
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 26 October 2018 17: 21
        -1
        Then some stun gun, firing electric,

        Yeah! The most is for self-defense. And for children, shortened lightsabers .....
        I thought seriously, and you! Is there something essentially?
  32. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 25 October 2018 13: 52
    +1
    Yeah, ban GTA for example, and then they will steal cars and shoot already on the streets, everywhere and no longer fanatics or offended by life, but ordinary citizens ... But it’s time to take this aunt to the senility home, judging by her official statements.
    1. Slinqshot
      Slinqshot 25 October 2018 15: 19
      +1
      Let him ride to his son - he will protect the rear-wheel drive with him.
  33. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 25 October 2018 14: 10
    +1
    Look, the smoking room is alive! I ceased to respect her when she shed during a vote on impeachment to Yeltsin. Sold for a jar of jam and a kilo of cookies. And all according to Saltykov-Shchedrin! am
  34. 11 Ivan Ivanov
    11 Ivan Ivanov 25 October 2018 15: 46
    +2
    Quote: Sadko88
    the courses should be on-site under the supervision of a psychologist and an experienced instructor, and not several hours but several days. Characteristics from the place of work are required. It is for
    deputies ???
  35. 1536
    1536 25 October 2018 16: 28
    0
    Under Soviet rule, all duplicating equipment was under the strict control of the competent authorities, and manifestations of bourgeois morality were severely persecuted and punished, starting from kindergarten. But the year 1991 happened, because it happened anyway. You can issue permission to buy computers, to use the Internet, so that later, issuing certificates for weapons, you can be completely sure that these weapons will certainly not harm anyone, because people simply do not know what kind of harm this weapon can cause to their neighbor. Better not to issue any certificates at all, and prohibit weapons. First, we just need to ban internal combustion engines and the release of toilet paper, while increasing the release of newspapers with information about where, who and when, what else has been banned, and, of course, about our "successes", increased salaries and the joy that a person experiences, giving all my life is not for toys, but for work. After all, then we will definitely have to read.
  36. Simon
    Simon 25 October 2018 16: 39
    +2
    Quote: Stas157
    From chips in weapons to supersprafov for games with violence. Ideas after the tragedy in Kerch

    How many tricks! Or maybe just do real youth education? To pay single mothers a normal salary, so that it is enough for a decent life for a person, themselves and children. Take children in FREE sections and circles. To work with youth and not to leave children alone with the problems that have arisen.

    I fully support! Previously, back in communist times, all this was. There were Komsomol and pioneer organizations that educated young people in the Soviet Union and there were no such problems as I recall.
  37. Zomanus
    Zomanus 26 October 2018 00: 19
    +3
    Here Mrs. Mizulina would shut up fuck.
    Her children and grandchildren will not live according to her laws, for they live in Belgium.
    And to us she pushes every heresy because she understands that if something happens she does not risk anything.
    And in terms of working with prevention, you just need to be proactive.
    On the street, the precinct must "keep a bump."
    He must know who has the weapon, who says what and how he behaves.
    Only in the course of optimization "on the ground" very few people remained,
    mostly sit in cabinets.
  38. georggy
    georggy 26 October 2018 13: 21
    0
    oh my god. The nesting doll is stupid.