In the Russian Federation created a new aviation division

A new compound appeared in the Central Military District - the 21st mixed aviation the division, which included high-altitude MiG-31 interceptors and Su-34 bombers, according News.

Parts of the air division are deployed in the Perm and Krasnoyarsk Territories and the Chelyabinsk Region. Organizationally, the unit enters the 14 Army VKS. Its task is to cover Russia in the southern and southeastern directions. In this case, the aircraft can be quickly transferred to other regions of the country.

As part of two regiments - MiG-31 interceptors, the fleet of the third regiment consists of Su-34 bombers.

Thanks to this combination, the division is able not only to control the airspace, but also to strike ground targets.

Recall supersonic all-weather interceptor MiG-31 was developed by Soviet designers. However, it still remains unsurpassed aircraft in its class. Today the cars are in service in the version of the MiG-31BM. Its modified version can carry the latest hypersonic Dagger missiles capable of hitting land and sea targets at a distance of up to 2 thousand km.

According to the test hero Igor Malikov, Hero of Russia, in its effectiveness, the MiG-31 is comparable to the C-400 system, “only in the air”. “This is a very serious car,” covering the front on a wide width, he noted.

Malikov added that he would not have risked flying where these interceptors fly.

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[Chicha squad]

It turns out that you can launch a dagger in Perm and it will hit a ship in the Black Sea?

[bistrov.]

Quote: Chicha Squad

to launch a dagger in Perm and it will hit a ship in the Black Sea?

There are probably more than 2000 km from Perm to the Black Sea, you still need to fly to reach the launch point.

[Chicha squad]

In a straight line From Perm Krai to the Black Sea coast 1900 km. Well, let's say an enemy landing ship lands marines on the shore of the Krasnodar Territory. Will be able to destroy?

[Random]

Quote: Chicha Squad

Well, let's say an enemy landing ship lands marines on the shore of the Krasnodar Territory

And where did all the BPRK suddenly go? FBA, IBA Black Sea Fleet, YES, etc.

[Chicha squad]

IBA YES what is this?

[Random]

Quote: Chicha Squad

IBA YES what is this?

IBA - Fighter Bomber Aviation, YES - Long Range Aviation, etc.
Then the question is purely out of curiosity .... but how do you try to "discuss" aviation topics without knowing the most basic. terminology and. "concepts" ???

[Chicha squad]

Well, here I am with professionals and are interested in knowing. In abbreviations is not strong. I’d have thought that the BPRK is the Armor-piercing Podkalibernoy Missile Complex, the FBA High-explosive Bomb Aviation, the Fighter Bomb Aviation, the Black Sea Fleet, the Chelyabinsk Fleet, and the DA-Dagestan Aviation. But it turns out how.

[GAF]

Quote: Chicha Squad

+1
Well, here I am with professionals and are interested in knowing.

That's right, "Live and learn." For this, we go to the Network. You can, of course, serve as a warrant officer in the aviation garrison in the BAO and, knowing the abbreviation for the duty of service, on this basis consider yourself a specialist. Which, however, does not give him the right to identify the Krasnoyarsk Territory (which is included in the zone of interests of the formed air division) with Krasnodar Territory. So strategic? balance of power.

[GAF]

Quote: GAF

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The site administrator was forbidden to leave comments on this site

I wonder what kind of carving it is? Return the comment, otherwise I'll be offended!

[Separ]

Nowadays it was called OBATO

[shura7782]

Quote: Random

Quote: Chicha Squad

IBA YES what is this?

IBA - Fighter Bomber Aviation, YES - Long Range Aviation, etc.
Then the question is purely out of curiosity .... but how do you try to "discuss" aviation topics without knowing the most basic. terminology and. "concepts" ???

It’s no good to reproach so.
Actually, the question arose and the question was interesting. It is a rumor that not the usual combination of air defense and BA aircraft in one division. Because The Mig-31 is a clean air defense fighter, and the Su-34 in this case is a bomber. In the course of combat training on MiG-31 there are exercises for bombing, but this does not become IB from this. Su-34 also fulfills firing at aerial targets, and the same from this is not information security. It is possible that this (air defense and BA) in one bottle is a temporary phenomenon, due to the still insufficient number of aircraft in our aviation. We'll see.

[kplayer]

Quote: shura7782

By ear, not the usual combination of air defense and BA aircraft in one division.

The abbreviation BA is inappropriate here, in d.s. FA - front-line aviation (tactical in the West), because The Su-34 is not a bomber (Tu-22 / -95 / -160), but a fighter-bomber.

[ODERVIT]

Su-34 front-line bomber. Guys, not knowing the subject ...

[kplayer]

Front-line bomber and fighter-bomber - in both cases, it is true in relation to the Su-34 or Su-24.
In some cases (classifying aviation) I don’t notice the difference between tactical fighter and fighter-bomber, and sometimes even between fighter and specialized fighter-interceptor - nothing?

[ODERVIT]

Parts operating the Su-24, Su-34 are called bomber aviation regiments, and parts operating apib fighter-bomber (aviation regiment of fighter bomber). I do not presume about the present, but in the recent past, Su-17 and Mig-27, various modifications, were fighter-bombers. Everything else is speculation and an indefatigable fantasy that has nothing to do with military science. She is taught at the Academy of Species and Species of the Armed Forces.

[kplayer]

Su-27IB is an early designation of the Su-34. They belong to FA, whatever one may say, and the "air-to-air" SD are in the nomenclature. The capacity of the names of parts and formations has nothing to do with it (in order to avoid confusion, incl.), As well as the removed from service aircraft. Empty dispute.

[Random]

Quote: kplayer

Su-27IB - an early designation of the Su-34.

The name does not define the essence
For "spreading the horizon - first prototype T-10V-1 assembled experimental production of Sukhoi Design Bureau (MMZ named after P.O.Sukhoi, Moscow) in 1989-1990 by combining a new armored cockpit manufactured by the pilot production of the Design Bureau named after P.O. Sukhoi (according to other sources - NAPO im.Chkalova, Novosibirsk), with the upgraded glider of the serial Su-27UB.
First flight prototype Su-27IB (T-10V-1, board # 42 "blue") took place on April 13, 1990 (pilot - A.A. Ivanov) at the LII airfield in Zhukovsky.
In 1990-1991 the prototype underwent flight design tests, later the aircraft was finalized in terms of equipment and design.
The prototype T-10V-1 is publicly shown for the first time at the exhibition of military equipment for the first persons of the CIS countries in Machulishchi (Belarus) on February 13, 1992.

[kplayer]

With your tautology, you can breed the Mi-28 and Ka-52 as multi-purpose, based only on the layout and location of the crew.

Quote: kplayer

The capacity of the names of parts and compounds has nothing to do with it (in order to avoid confusion, including), as well as those removed from an armed aircraft

MiG-23 and -27 and even Il-28 were remembered for the sake of proving the vastness of the classification, but not of aviation, but only squadrons and regiments of aircraft types and more.

[Random]

Quote: kplayer

fighter bomber

IB is ... no longer a fighter, but not a bomber yet - all Su-17-e, Mig-23BN, Mig-27K
And front-line bombers are Il-28, Yak-28, Su-24, Su-34
And the "tactics" are Su-27SM, Su-30SM, Su-35

[ODERVIT]

I had a chance to serve in 66 apib, which was armed with, pause ... MiG-21 smt. "Sapphire" walked to the fullest.

[Random]

Quote: ODERVIT

Had to serve in 66 apib

Was it when they were in the Air Force or already in the BF Aviation?

[ODERVIT]

When I served it was part 76 VA. I know that they were transferred to the BF aviation and they retrained on the Su-17.

[Separ]

There was more alcohol in SMT than in its predecessors ..

[Separ]

simple MiG-27 and MiG-27M, and "Kaira" as you indicated ..

[shura7782]

Quote: kplayer

Quote: shura7782

By ear, not the usual combination of air defense and BA aircraft in one division.

The abbreviation BA is inappropriate here, in d.s. FA - front-line aviation (tactical in the West), because The Su-34 is not a bomber (Tu-22 / -95 / -160), but a fighter-bomber.

. A little early hatted up.
Quite right, BA is not appropriate here. Correctly FB. In the foreseeable future, the Su-34 will not be used as a fighter, although it is built into it. Therefore, let's just leave the "front bomber". The question is that the division is very "involved" (air defense and FB fighters) this has not happened before. This is what we are talking about.

[kplayer]

Have you talked about aviation (air defense, BA / YES, FA) in your commentary or about specific samples? No tweaks, yeah!

[Random]

Quote: kplayer

No tweaks, yeah!

No need to look for a black cat in a dark room ... yeah

Quote: kplayer

(Air Defense, BA / YES, FA

For "spreading horizons" - air defense, IA, IBA, FBA, YES AND CA - this is ... specific types for each type of aviation ... without knowing this .... "do not climb ... runway"

[kplayer]

Air defense IA and FA attack aircraft were forgotten. In d.c.sl. (see above for the origins) we will restrict ourselves to the types of aviation, without its types, narrowed down to the target esk and ap (IA FA - a little wild, FA fighters - enough), and without your banal "splayed show", yeah

Quote: Random

... not knowing it .... "don't climb on ... runway"

Where and what ... we, and where is the runway?

[Cannonball]

MiG-31BM - quite a bomber, can be equipped with X-31P, X-25MP or X-25MPU anti-radar missiles (up to six units), anti-ship missiles X-31A (up to six), air-to-surface missiles X-29T and X- 59 (up to three) or X-59M (up to two units), up to six adjustable air bombs KAB-1500 or up to eight KAB-500 with television or laser guidance.
The MiG-31K variant has been equipped with dagger-type hypersonic missiles since 2018. The maximum mass of the combat load is 9000 kg.

[shura7782]

Quote: Cannonball

.................., can be equipped with .........

Of course it can. And civilian liners will also be able to do something with minor modifications. Word Can does not mean that pilots of conventional combat regiments regularly use these capabilities in everyday life. Everyone has their own specialization, so these additional opportunities, unusual for the profile, remain on paper. About "Dagger" more on the forum they write than they work in the shelves. This topic was trumpeted prematurely. Apparently in order to flutter over the hill.

[Cannonball]

MiG-31BM is a multi-functional fighter that can operate both on air, and on sea and land targets. A combat load of 9 tons allows for such use.
For your information, the MiG-31 are the direct heirs of the MiG-25, including its reconnaissance and bomber modification MiG-25RB.

[onega67]

I would say this: MFP - a multifunctional device

[shura7782]

Quote: Cannonball

MiG-31BM is a multi-functional fighter that can operate both by air, .......

I studied its predecessor back in school days .. Therefore, I know this when there was no wikipedia yet. If I understood you correctly, from the above post, the air defense pilot, on this product, can fully replace the pilot (well, let's say for example on the Su-17m4 ) for work (firing from cannons, NURSs, bombing) on ​​ground targets? Your post about this?

[Cannonball]

Are you serious?
Use the MiG-31 for firing a cannon or NURSs at ground targets?
Launching air-to-ground or air-to-ship missiles can be mastered by almost any qualified fighter pilot. Bombing is also not a problem for the MiG-31, which has been proven more than once by its predecessor, the MiG-25RB.

[shura7782]

Quote: Cannonball

Are you serious?
............... "can be mastered by almost any qualified fighter pilot. Bombing is also not a problem for the MiG-31, which has been proven more than once by its predecessor, the MiG-25RB.

Seriously. Of course, he can master it, but for how long? Will it be provided if attached. Are you familiar with the IS Combat Training Course? They (IB) only do this at the landfills. If you believe that they (AND) master this as it should be at a time, then you are very mistaken. Scouts use only one shift every 1-2 months for this. This is in order to have a concept. Your example for the bombing MiG-31 is unsuccessful. This is more suitable for anxiety. Just throw a bomb in the area. Its scope is not for low altitudes. And to bomb because (IB) cannot. I'll give you my example. 88g in Bagram, an attack regiment, a fighter regiment and a Su-17m4 squadron. The spirits drove us to Hmin-4500m when we were withdrawing from the dive .. Only the Su squadron was ready for this state of affairs. Because only their scope was suitable for work at all heights. Such a carousel lined up in the sky to strike. The first at 7000m are the Su, followed by the MiG-23 regiment, the Su-25 regiment closed the line. Thrown from the horizon. Only the leading squadron was aiming, all the others were guided by them. This I tell you about the "quality" of the bombing of fighters and attack aircraft in these circumstances. So, in life, not everything is as smooth as it is written on the papers for the general reader .. There is no such thing that one pilot on a multipurpose aircraft could simultaneously be a cool fighter, reconnaissance and attack aircraft in one bottle. Everyone eats their own carrot.
I apologize for some confusion.

[Cannonball]

Are you not sure about the quality of training for MiG-31 pilots who carry bombs and missiles?
About Bagram you can not tell.
I personally saw how the "dryers" worked in pairs, not shelves. Maximum two pairs at a time.
In addition, the Mig-31 makes bombing at high speeds and from high altitudes, so the example with attack aircraft and fighter-bombers is incorrect in this situation.
Well, about the MiG-23. This is still an interceptor, not a fighter-bomber. The fighter-bomber is the MiG-27.

[shura7782]

Something in our dialogue is wrong. Excuse me. I don’t want to offend your pride. In what capacity were you there? If you even served in aviation, then by whom? This is for me in order to make it easier for me to understand and more accessible to explain where you are making a mistake in your conclusions. Understand, pilots of IS and I. this is not a driver who will bring furniture tomorrow.

About Bagram you can not tell.
I personally saw how the "dryers" worked in pairs, not shelves.

What are you talking about? Our squadron worked in pairs for radio reconnaissance in Pakistan and for patrolling - it was not very often, but the current was singled out at night mostly by a group (4-12 sides) per strike, as well as a strike group by the composition of fighter and attack regiment regiments.

PS. Before minus, it is good to know the essence of the issue. It has a lot of significant nuances that are not visible on the surface.

[TT62o]

All this went into oblivion in the late 90's

[97110]

Quote: Chicha Squad

An enemy landing ship lands marines on the shore of the Krasnodar Territory. Can destroy?

So drown. They’ll climb from Ukraine, wring the Sea of ​​Azov. At Primorsko-Akhtarsk prosecutors in floodplains with guns in any season, scorching - passion. They just ducks end, fur seals go under vodka ...

[ushakorv]

Well, let’s say an enemy landing ship lands marines on the shore of the Krasnodar Territory, which means one thing. There is no more Crimea, no more Krasnodar Territory, the Black Sea Fleet, there are no Bastions, there is nothing there !!! Well, let's say the enemy landing ship should be destroyed long before the approach. And if it came, it means kapets.

[okko077]

A new division was created from non-new aircraft, but where did they come from? Wizards in our VKS! SU-34 of all about 4 regiments, each give birth to one squadron, and here is part of the regiment ?! Just storytellers, they work in the circus !!!

[Cannonball]

The division is not new; in the years 40-42, the 21st mixed aviation division already existed.

In the 80s - 90s, the 21st mixed aviation division was also registered in the Soviet and Russian army.

The same was formed from the 6980th Guards Red Banner Orsha Order of Suvorov, 1rd class, air base of the XNUMXst category with control in Shagol (Chelyabinsk).

The 21st mixed aviation division with control in Shagol (Chelyabinsk) includes:
712th Guards Chernivtsi Order of Kutuzov Fighter Aviation Regiment (Kansk airfield, Krasnoyarsk Territory);
764th Fighter Aviation Regiment Air Defense (airfield Bolshoye Savino, Perm) - equipped with upgraded fighter-interceptors MiG-31BM and MiG-31K.
2nd Guards Red Banner Orshansky Order of Suvorov, 34rd class (Shagol airfield, Chelyabinsk) - one squadron of which is equipped with new Su-24 front-line bombers, and the other two squadrons are equipped with Su-24M front-line bombers and Su-XNUMXMR reconnaissance aircraft.

Most likely, the 21th division will also include the restored 266th assault Red Banner Aviation Regiment named after the Mongolian People's Republic (Su-25SM attack aircraft) at the reconstructed Step airdrome (Trans-Baikal Territory).

[NEXUS]

Quote: Chicha Squad

It turns out that you can launch a dagger in Perm and it will hit a ship in the Black Sea?

Quote: bistrov.

There are probably more than 2000 km from Perm to the Black Sea, you still need to fly to reach the launch point.

And an online target designation system, with the adjustment of the flight of the rocket to create, so that it can work on moving targets and complete order.
For now, the Dagger can work ONLY for stationary targets.

[210ox]

I'm interested in something else. Here’s a new air division. On the basis of what is it created? From pine forest to pine tree? MIGs 31 have not been released for a long time, they are modernizing those available. We have reorganized most likely some units.

[Chicha squad]

Big Savino + Kansk + Shagol = New Aviation Division.

[Alex_59]

Quote: 210ox

31 MIGs have not been released for a long time, modernize those that are available.

In this sense, the MiG-31 is a very tenacious machine, its resource is generally greater than that of a conventional fighter, largely due to the design with the widespread use of non-aluminum alloys (let’s say). They are being modernized quite a lot, several cars a year have come to Perm over the past few years. And the division is apparently needed to provide more flexible regiment management. Shelves, no one was derbanil, as they were, they are. Only at one time were called not the shelves, but AB - Serdyukovism.

[Random]

Quote: Alex_59

And the division is apparently needed to provide more flexible regiment management.

So the shelves must be either .. "of the same type" or more or less suitable for "purpose"

[Alex_59]

Quote: Random

So the shelves must be either .. "of the same type" or more or less suitable for "purpose"

Well, firstly, it was not always like that. It’s in the air defense that they were of the same type, all of them fighter. And in the FA, there was everyone. My grandfather, for example, served in the ShAD, but in the IAP - such things. Just in the SHAD was 2 SHAP and 1 IAP. IAP for undercover, intelligence, etc.
And with homogeneous blood pressure - this was in Soviet times, when there were hundreds of regiments. Now, within the limits of one district, it is not always possible to assemble so many regiments of the same type for such a unit, which can be called a "division". Therefore, our future is mixed compounds. From poverty.

[Random]

Quote: Alex_59

My grandfather, for example, served in the ShAD, but in the IAP - such things. It was just that there were 2 ShAP and 1 IAP in the SHAD. IAP for undercover, intelligence, etc.

So I ... "far from .. boy" ... that's why your GRANDFATHER and I ... served in the RIGHT structures

Quote: Alex_59

Now, within the limits of one district, it is not always possible to assemble so many regiments of the same type for such a unit, which can be called a "division". Therefore, our future is mixed compounds. From poverty.

And I like it better .. from "stupidity"
Give the IAP a squadron of Tankers, an electronic warfare detachment, a detachment of scouts and ... forward ....... this will be more or less "SAD" and they should be based in a "heap" or more less at "arm's length", but here what ... "laughing chickens".
And let's combine the Chkalovskys (Kaliningrad) and the Elizovskys "(Kamchatka).

Quote: Alex_59

It’s in the air defense that they were of the same type — all fighter.

Not only in the Air Force - (IA, IBA, YES, SA) but the types are different, but .. "purpose" is the same - Tu-16,22,22M - for example
Even intelligence. regiment and that- Yak-28R, MiG-35R / RB, Su-24MR

[Alex_59]

Quote: Random

Give the IAP a squadron of Tankers, an electronic warfare detachment, a detachment of scouts and ... go ahead ....... this will be more or less "SAD"

I can timidly assume that the razderbanirovany specialists on the shelves of "blue-breasted" will be received with hostility, tk. you can't find enough scouts and tankers at all, but where you need them all at once and you will have to collect a lot of them on the shelves in a consolidated "it is not clear what".

Quote: Random

they should be based in a "heap" or, more or less, at "arm's length", but here what ... "laughing chickens".

And here my Perm and Shagol are really near, but Krasnoyarsk was fastened just because there were no more IA regiments in the Central Military District ... We used to be in Salk (Sverdlovsk), Bobrovka (Samara), Danilovo (Yoshkar-Ola), Dombarovsky (Orenburg ), Severny (Omsk), Komsomolsky (Yugorsk). There was a couple of air defense divisions with general control. And now all these airfields have no combat units or are destroyed. Well, by the way, you know better than me, I think.

[ODERVIT]

Parts are written in small letters, compounds in large. Grandpa respect.

[Alex_59]

Quote: ODERVIT

Parts are written in small letters, compounds in large.

I'm not a pilot, I'm an engineer - the habit of abbreviations is capitalized))) sorry if something goes wrong.

[Rushnairfors]

210kv, but this is a very correct question! Frankly speaking, such articles inflame me to disgrace. In my concept, the creation of a new division is, for example, the restoration of the "Bermuda triangle" Jida-bad-steppe, or an air hub in the Chita region (Borzya-3 airfield) and to land aviation there not due to the dispersal of some other regiments, but due new equipment (for example, in 3 regiments, no matter what kind of su30 and su35 go, and su27 flying ones are taken and sent to staff the newly created units. Otherwise, the nameplates on the headquarters will change and they are presented as if they really got the division

[Random]

Quote: NEXUS

And online target designation system

Hi Andrey Again "sweet dreams"

Quote: NEXUS

For now, the Dagger can work ONLY for stationary targets.

And 800 km ... no more data yet

[NEXUS]

Quote: Random

Hi Andrey

Hello, friend.

Quote: Random

Again "sweet dreams"

No ... he simply explained that the Dagger wasn’t working on moving targets.

Quote: Random

And 800 km ... no more data yet

I think closer to 1200 km. But ... those who plan this product know this.

[Random]

Quote: NEXUS

I think closer to 1200 km. But ... those who plan this product know this.

Agree , but in general it is to "cross" a "hedgehog with a viper" ....

[xtur]

> I think closer to 1200 km.

if your assumption is correct, then you and your source of information will soon turn up in view of the disclosure of information constituting state secret - after all, the officially declared range is twice as large

So I’ll assume that the official range is less than real - a couple of times.

[tlauicol]

Quote: Chicha Squad

It turns out that you can launch a dagger in Perm and it will hit a ship in the Black Sea?

Of course you can - it's a wunderwaffe! First, find the target and ask her to stop. preferably on two anchors - so as not to spin! determine the coordinates and report to Perm. lift the blink into the air, etc. etc ... gets in the evening.
very convenient and at the fear of enemies!

[Random]

Quote: Chicha Squad

It turns out that you can launch a dagger in Perm and it will hit a ship in the Black Sea?

We are waiting for when it will be possible to start directly from the parking lot and ... without starting the engines .... the plane with the APA "under current" and forward. (joke), and of course, I personally don't understand a lot, or rather understandable. that they were "ripped off" from the Amerovskoy "tactical aviation wing", but as always we have ... everything is through one "place" ... first places of basing ... (one from the other - in the middle of nowhere) .. what kind of "interaction" can pure Long-Range Fighters from the air defense and ... front-line bombers from the FBA have?
These Aviation Sorts have ABSOLUTELY different BZs for their intended purpose.

[Bellerophon]

It turns out that deep in the rear, outside the zone of defeat by NATO deployed striking means, there is a POWERFUL Air Force compound capable of quickly maneuvering, reconnaissance, clearing the sky from enemy aircraft and delivering a strike

[Comrade Beria]

Parts of the air division are deployed in the Perm and Krasnoyarsk Territories and the Chelyabinsk Region. Organizationally, the unit enters the 14 Army VKS. Its task is to cover Russia in the southern and southeastern directions. In this case, the aircraft can be quickly transferred to other regions of the country.

And not far from a potential theater? I mean the southeast direction?

Although the experience of the Great Patriotic War (the beginning), perhaps this is justified.

[kjhg]

Quote: Comrade Beria

perhaps this is justified.

More than! In the age of high-precision long-range weapons, it is impossible to hold the main forces in the radius of their action, where they can be destroyed with one blow.

[Random]

Quote: Comrade Beria

And not far from a potential theater?

Yes, something that is far away ... that's okay, but ... what and whom will the MiG-31 intercept and destroy the Su-34 ... "together"
I understand if we were in place of the 31st. Drying 27th or 30th or 35th ... or in place of the Su-34 ... something "from long aviation" for escort and so far .. "various configurations , and here....
Although we have .... HEAD .... "motorized infantryman", so everything is possible
They gave birth to ... "VKS" ... so why not be the rest ... soon "Strategov" will be united with "tankers" and then it will be complete ...

[Comrade Beria]

Quote: Random

what and who will be intercepted by the Mig-31

We lag behind life, however. MiG31 is not only an interceptor, but also a carrier of strike weapons.

[Random]

Quote: Comrade Beria

We lag behind life, however. MiG31

So far, this is only in "sweet dreams" and 10 units are in trial operation in Vladimirovka And to B. Savino and Kansk have no ... well, nothing to do with both clean MiG-31BM

[Comrade Beria]

Quote: Random

So far, this is only in "sweet dreams" and 10 units are in trial operation in Vladimirovka

Did you personally receive a report from Shoigu?

Or from individuals called journalists. So this is worse than devils.
Here's today's headline: Holidays in Turkey will go up significantly.
According to the text, holidays in Turkey can rise in price by 20 %%.

They believe, do not love yourself.

[Random]

Quote: Comrade Beria

Did you personally receive a report from Shoigu?

No ... he served, you know, in the Air Force of the USSR and the Russian Federation

Quote: Comrade Beria

Or from individuals called journalists

With this "brothers" in general ... no .. "sideways"

[Comrade Beria]

Quote: Random

No ... he served, you know, in the Air Force of the USSR and the Russian Federation

Keyword-SERVED. And because of this, you cannot be aware of everything that is being done in the Moscow Region.
But if you wrote the SERVICE, then you would have to be shot for disclosure.

[Random]

Quote: Comrade Beria

And because of this, you cannot be aware of everything that is being done in the Moscow Region.

I have more classmates, fellow soldiers and "pupils" ... than you have hair all over your body

Quote: Comrade Beria

But if you wrote the SERVICE, then you would have to be shot for disclosure

Then what to do with Dimona ... who on all so.secret objects with his "iPhone-iPad" ... "rummages"

[Comrade Beria]

Quote: Random

Then what to do with Dimona ... who is rummaging through all the so. Secret objects with his "iPhone-iPad" ...

Misinformation is sometimes more dangerous than information. Is not it? Dimona is only allowed to apples, where did you see him at a military facility?

Quote: Random

I have more classmates, fellow soldiers and "pupils" ... than you have hair all over your body

I have long been bald. And with glasses.

[VO3A]

And not only bald and wearing glasses, let's list all your advantages .....

[Alex_59]

Quote: Random

there are clean Mig-31BM

Or even not BM. BM God forbid half the state.

[ODERVIT]

Wow. Perm Territory, Chelyabinsk Region and Krasnoyarsk Territory. Home Connection Control Officers will be guests.

[Comrade Beria]

As the saying goes: if you want to stay at home, don't put on shoulder straps, put it on, if you please "To endure all the hardships and hardships of military service" -

[ODERVIT]

The upbringing of children has not been canceled. I managed to cope. But it's not that. There is such a thing as an airfield hub. It is difficult to manage the connection on such a "shoulder". I know the topic from personal experience.

[Comrade Beria]

Quote: ODERVIT

There is such a thing as an airfield hub. It is difficult to manage the connection on such a "shoulder". I know the topic from personal experience.

Personally, from my own experience, I believe that this is a peacetime infrastructure, and with modern methods of communication there is no difficulty in managing it. Tell me, what's the difference in getting data from an oral report or a report like Skype?

And in the threatened period, this entire division will fly up to the airfields of the jump up to sections of highways, how to manage it? In your opinion it is impossible?

[ODERVIT]

Do you have a higher military education? If so, share which Academy graduated and in which year?

[Random]

Quote: Comrade Beria

And in the threatened period, this entire division will fly up to the airfields of the jump up to sections of highways, how to manage it? In your opinion it is impossible?

If it were (key phrase), then at the maritime theater (supposed) it would be possible to "try", but before that, so that "such 2 HELL was combat-ready ... it's so many years ... a lot of it ... it is necessary "
And in the same form, as now ... I repeat the question ... what targets will destroy the MiG-31 and Su-34 ... "together" (together mean interaction)

[Random]

Quote: Comrade Beria

"To endure all the hardships and hardships of military service" -

Everything is so, that's just "hardships and hardships" well, they have nothing to do with ... how to put it. So that the ban does not run into , well, in general .. there is such a bird ... a woodpecker is called, just a little interpret its "name" and it turns out a fabulous ..... "woodpecker", and the actions will naturally be called "woodpecker-bismom"

[ODERVIT]

Thank you Sergey, for supporting the veteran.

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Quote: ODERVIT

Thank you Sergey for the support of the veteran.

Serving the Soviet Union

[Laksamana besar]

We have big

[tlauicol]

The division was created, but the planes were no more. One bureaucracy

[Comrade Beria]

And why don't you personally go to Komsomolsk-on-Amur or Irkutsk and double the production of airplanes?

[tlauicol]

0 times 2 equals 0. Migi31 not available

[Comrade Beria]

Quote: Tlauicol

0
0 multiplied by 2 is equal to 0

This is only in the civilian world.

Quote: Tlauicol

Migi31 not available

Moreover, what field of activity you are planning. At a minimum, resume production of the MiG-31; at a maximum, create a new PAK-DP aircraft. And all this in a week. I’ll shoot it otherwise. After all, I myself am Comrade Beria, great and terrible.

[Alex_59]

Quote: Comrade Beria

I’ll shoot it otherwise. After all, I myself am Comrade Beria, great and terrible.

If I "shoot" then most likely you are Yezhov, not Beria. )))

[Bellerophon]

In the 41st year of TANK, the Red Army had a lot of good quality. But the organization of armored and mechanized troops was backward. What instantly affected at the beginning of the war. DIVISION is a compound intended for conducting LARGE-SCALE military operations. DIVISION is able to independently, on its own, to solve a number of operational and tactical tasks in the theater. In order for the division to learn how to act as a DIVISION, people need to be taught for about 5 years.

[newcomer]

actually, the article sets forth the opinion that the 31st can carry “Daggers,” I read in the morning about “Creating a Dagger Division”. it says bluntly, the backbone of the division is “dagger MIGs, plus SU24 / 34.

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Quote: newbie

I read in the morning about the “Creation of the Dagger Division”. it says bluntly, the backbone of the division is “dagger MIGs, plus SU24 / 34.

Dagger Mig-31 and Su-24 ??????

[newcomer]

you read carefully what I wrote. no need to juggle. You can ask your question in the comments to the news on “Military Materials”, where I read this news. Dagger MIG31, plus SU24 / 34. Where did I write “Dagger Su“? you, as a pilot, could easily guess that this was a mixed division, right?

[newcomer]

I’ll supplement it myself in order to avoid further erroneous interpretations. Mixed air division consists of two MIG31BM regiments, one SU34 squadron, and two SU24 squadrons.

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Quote: newbie

I’ll supplement it myself in order to avoid further erroneous interpretations. Mixed air division consists of two MIG31BM regiments, one SU34 squadron, and two SU24 squadrons.

Mig-31 BM fighter-interceptor long-range.
Su-34 - FBA
Su-24-FBA (small tactical range)
The question is ... what will happen in the end if you cross .. "hedgehog with a viper"?
I ask you as a pilot?
I even agree to the GARDEN where Su-25th and Su-27 or Su-30, or Su-24/34 and Su-27 and Su-30, but that would be like in the 21st ....

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Quote: newbie

you read carefully what I wrote. no need to juggle.

It was a pure joke. (sarcasm or banter) but not above you , and over those ... "hto such a news" .. "gave birth"

Quote: newbie

Where did I write “Dagger Su“?

Where did I write this?

Quote: newbie

you, as a pilot, could easily guess that this was a mixed division, right?

sAD is at least ... Su-24M and Su-24MR, Tu-22M3 and Tu-16P or Tu-22PD, MiG-31 and Su-27P, etc ... and this ... "mixed division" ...I have no words

[newcomer]

Well, I’m saying, you can ask specific questions under this news at VoenMat.
I am not interested in this specifics, of course I mean, of course, that if it is a mixed division, then there are all the cars, according to the division’s staff plus / minus, in our realities.
I was more interested in the difference in the presentation of the news. because “can be carriers” and ““ Dagger “division is formed“, the difference is obvious.

[rocket757]

At the same time, aircraft can be quickly flown to other regions of the country.

At their speed, it’s really OPERATIONAL!
However, maybe I don’t understand what? How distant interceptors in the air defense system I understand it!

[voltamp is]

Doing bullshit
It would be better for people to do useful
The next report about nothing, but shoved the money in my pockets

[Comrade Beria]

Quote: voltamper

It would be better for people to do useful

Should pensioners be handed out?

[Comrade Beria]

Quote: voltamper

The next report about nothing, but shoved the money in my pockets

And you rummaged through these pockets. Otherwise, where does such data come from?

[Laksamana besar]

The Ministry of Defense said that today the 21-I SAD is the most powerful air force in the armed forces.

[Comrade Beria]

Apparently, the Su-34 is being honed under nuclear weapons, and the MiG-31 for their cover.

[Alex_59]

His task is to cover Russia in the south and south-east directions.

I just didn’t understand this of course ... South and southeast directions? And the men then in the know? All my life in the north and here the south turns out ...

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Quote: Alex_59

Used to be in Salk (Sverdlovsk),

Nizhny Tagil forgot Serov

[Alex_59]

Quote: Random

Nizhny Tagil forgot

This is Salka.

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Quote: Alex_59

This is Salka.

And you wrote in a comment .... Sverdlovsk and in Sverdlovsk, apart from the helicopter regiment in Aramil and the "court squadron" of the aviation command of the Ural Military District ("apartment" in the East) there was nothing else, and Salka (it's easier for me "Falcon" or "Vagonka" is in Nizhny Tagil. (apartment on " Pervomayskoy "is right to the left of the UPI, opposite the arboretum ) this is already a purely "apartment" of air defense aviation.
And in Serov, Su-9 was based, then Su-15

[Alex_59]

Quote: Random

And you wrote in a comment .... Sverdlovsk

Well, I meant the Sverdlovsk region. Okay, not the point. )

Quote: Random

And in Serov, Su-9 was based, then Su-15

I didn’t know that.

[Varaga]

Apparently "Dagger" is meant in the potential for combat use.

[kplayer]

To add refueling tankers and AWACS aircraft to such mixed AD by squadron, although this would somewhat copy the American mixed air wings (smakr with esc. F-15E).

[Tarhan]

In the picture, the Mig-31 and a missile suspended beneath it are called a hypersonic dagger. Judging by the ratio, the length of the dagger is within 4-5 meters. And this, as well as the shape of the dagger, cause some kind of inconsistency.

Now hypersound. Hypersonic devices are called that can fly at a speed of 5-6 Machs. 2-3 Mach is supersonic. Modern fighter jets have turbojet engines. On rockets, chemical reactive engines - fuel + oxidizer. And such chemical engines are very voluminous. Approximately 50-60 tons of fuel are needed to deliver somewhere a ton of cargo. For example, the launch of satellites into orbit.
And in order to develop hypersound in the atmosphere, you need the most powerful jet engine, this is a ramjet engine. Direct-flow is when the compression of air in the combustion chamber in order to increase the concentration of oxygen in the volume occurs by the oncoming air flow. That is, the apparatus must first be dispersed to 3-4 Machs, only after that the air compression in the chamber will be sufficient so that the ram engine will turn on and develop a speed of 5-6 Machs. At the same time, fuel will be needed hundreds of times less than on rocket chemical engines. And most importantly in a hypersonic rocket, there should be an extensive air intake. (He is not present on the Dagger provided).

The American X-51 hypersonic missile (see for yourself) is 8 meters long, a booster that accelerates a missile up to 3-4 Machs up to 2,5 meters long. The mass of fuel (kerosene) for the flight after separation of the upper stage 120 kg. The frontal projection has an air intake. Range of 1500-2000 km. Starts with the B-52.

There is no air intake on the dagger. Yes, and the dagger itself is relatively small, in such a volume it is not possible to place the required amount of chemical fuel to disperse the dagger to hypersound. There can only be one Mig-31 launches the dagger from a height of 20 km down, here gravity with the engine can be developed and some kind of supersonic. But not at a distance of 2000 km. May be within 100 km.

[Old26]

Quote: okko077

A new division was created from non-new aircraft, but where did they come from? Wizards in our VKS! SU-34 of all about 4 regiments, each give birth to one squadron, and here is part of the regiment ?! Just storytellers, they work in the circus !!!

Calling this division new is quite difficult. It has existed for quite some time, although for some time, when there were airbases instead of divisions and, instead of air regiments, there were really no air groups. And she was stationed in another place. Now it consists of 3 regiments - 764th in Perm on MIG-31 (24 pcs.), 712th in Kansk - also on MIGs-31 (21 pcs.) And 2nd BAP in Chelyabinsk on SU-34 ( 12 pcs.), SU-24M (24 pcs.) And SU-24MR (12 pcs.). Persistent rumors are circulating that the 266th assault air regiment will be restored before the end of the year.

Quote: 210ox

I'm interested in something else. Here’s a new air division. On the basis of what is it created? From pine forest to pine tree? MIGs 31 have not been released for a long time, they are modernizing those available. We have reorganized most likely some units.

Well, at the core - the "old" 21st mixed air division. Only 20 years ago it was based on aer. Dzhida, Buryatia (2nd BAP on SU-24M), Bada, Chita Region (21st BAP on SU-24M), Steppe, Chita Region (266th ShAP on SU-25), Domna, Chita Region (313 th RAP on SU-24MR). In 2009, the number of regiments was reduced to 2 - 2nd and 266th. In 2010, the 2nd BAP became the 6980th air base and now the division has been recreated, but in a different composition and at a different base.

Quote: Tlauicol

The division was created, but the planes were no more. One bureaucracy

Well, now it has 45 MIGs, 48 ​​SUSHEKS (SU-34, SU-24M, SU-24MR). It is planned by the end of the year to introduce another regiment, the ShAP, into its structure. Already, cars for 100 pieces. The fist is quite impressive ...

Quote: NEXUS

I think closer to 1200 km. But ... those who plan this product know this.

Andrei! Sergey is generally right. At the last test, they shot at the firing range. the maximum was 804 km. So far, with the rest of the tests, everything is quiet

Quote: Tarkhan

In the picture, the Mig-31 and a missile suspended beneath it are called a hypersonic dagger. Judging by the ratio, the length of the dagger is within 4-5 meters. And this, as well as the shape of the dagger, cause some kind of inconsistency.

Length closer to 8 meters ...

Quote: Tarkhan

Now hypersound. Hypersonic devices are called that can fly at a speed of 5-6 Machs. 2-3 Mach is supersonic. Modern fighter jets have turbojet engines. On rockets, chemical reactive engines - fuel + oxidizer. And such chemical engines are very voluminous. Approximately 50-60 tons of fuel are needed to deliver somewhere a ton of cargo. For example, the launch of satellites into orbit.

Ballistic flight should not be confused with launching into orbit. The Dagger has a solid fuel engine. At the same time, the fuel is about 3,5 tons (+/-). The ancestor of the "Dagger" - "Iskander" had a final speed of more than 6 speeds of sound (more than 6M)

Quote: Tarkhan

And in order to develop hypersound in the atmosphere, you need the most powerful jet engine, this is a ramjet engine. Direct-flow is when the compression of air in the combustion chamber in order to increase the concentration of oxygen in the volume occurs by the oncoming air flow. That is, the apparatus must first be dispersed to 3-4 Machs, only after that the air compression in the chamber will be sufficient so that the ram engine will turn on and develop a speed of 5-6 Machs. At the same time, fuel will be needed hundreds of times less than on rocket chemical engines. And most importantly in a hypersonic rocket, there should be an extensive air intake. (He is not present on the Dagger provided).

Well, about the fact that hypersound will develop in the atmosphere, this is also not entirely true. In dense layers of the atmosphere it is very, very difficult to achieve. Therefore, cruise missiles with scramjet and designed for flight at altitudes of 40 km ...
Of course, there is no air intake on the Dagger. We are talking about two different ways to obtain hypersonic flight speed. You - about the so-called. "motor" hypersound, when the speed is unchanged almost throughout the entire flight phase and is hypersonic (examples of such missiles are the American X-51, X-43, our Zircon). And in the situation with the "Dagger" - the usual "non-motorized" hypersound, as on almost any ballistic missile. The maximum is reached at the very moment when the engine stops working. For "Dagger" it is estimated about 11-11,5M. Further, the rocket begins a ballistic descent from a sufficiently high altitude, while losing speed to supersonic. But missiles with "motor" hypersound in the last part of the trajectory, diving from a height of 40 km, will lose speed. Taking into account that now the speeds of Mach 5-6 have been achieved consistently on such cruise missiles, when braking, its speed will also become supersonic in dense layers, otherwise it will simply burn out ...
"motorless" hypersound is better than
1. Its final value is greater than that of a rocket with a scramjet
2. the range is limited by the dimensions of the missile itself and the fuel in it. Make a rocket 12 meters long, it will fly much further than the "Dagger". But to do this with a rocket with a scramjet engine is much more difficult ...

Quote: Tarkhan

There is no air intake on the dagger. Yes, and the dagger itself is relatively small, in such a volume it is not possible to place the required amount of chemical fuel to disperse the dagger to hypersound. There can only be one Mig-31 launches the dagger from a height of 20 km down, here gravity with the engine can be developed and some kind of supersonic. But not at a distance of 2000 km. May be within 100 km.

The MIG launches the dagger not down, but up. In this case, the pitch angle of the aircraft is about 30-40 kmk. The "Dagger" then rises to a height of about 250 km. In practice, it turns out that its range (of the rocket itself) is about 1300-1500 km. And 2000 km is the reach of the complex. Moreover, the entire flight is divided into stages

Stage 1 - carrier subsonic flight
Stage 2 - supersonic carrier flight. After that, a rocket is launched, which begins its flight
Stage 3 - hypersonic flight of the rocket itself. The maximum speed at the time of engine shutdown is about 11M
Stage 4 - the final. The rocket is intensively braked and when certain supersonic speeds are reached, its homing head starts to work.

[Tarhan]

Now it is clear. Explained.

[Е2 - Е4]

CREATED as "CREATED" it bled the other units and "CREATED" the division !!! Immediately would create an army "CREATORS"

[andrew42]

All my adult life I believed that the Perm base "Sokol" was imprisoned under the control of the northern borders. It is there that the 31st are constantly driven in pairs and one by one directly above my dacha. About the south and southeast direction, some kind of discovery is simple. Of course, it's a little closer to the border of Kazakhstan, but what's the point? Some strange postscripts, bravura, and seemingly senseless.

[Almelic]

For a long time we have the Krasnoyarsk Territory (this is in Siberia, if the author -> author -> the author does not know) ended up in the Central Military District?