The Ministry of Defense will purchase more 200 screw TCB. By screws!

The Russian military will purchase 230 screw training aircraft (TCB) for the initial training of cadets, the agency reports Military.RF source message in aviation industry.

Yak-152

According to the source, the decision to purchase 230 aircraft was made at the level of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, but which ones have not yet been reported.

The interlocutor added that clarity in this matter will come at the end of the state tests of the Yak-152 TCF, and the Austrian Diamond DART-550 aircraft is the only competitor in the fight for the order.

According to the Honored Pilot of Russia, Major General Alexander Ahlustin, in this case, the Yak-152 has more chances.

He noted that the initial preparation needed just such a machine, without unnecessary "bells and whistles". At this stage of training, the main thing is the training of the tactile sensations by the cadet to control the aircraft. He must learn to make quick decisions on height, speed and course of the car.

Recall the Yak-152 first flew in September 2016. In the spring of this year, it became known about the localization in the Russian Federation of the production of the German engine RED-A03T, the release of which the Russo-Balt company took up.

Austrian Diamond Aircraft Industries DART-550 turboprop aircraft are also designed for initial training at flight schools. Their take-off weight is 2400 kg, ground speed is up to 460 km / h, flight duration is about 8 hours.

Comments

[2329 Carpenter]

The engines would not become, as often, a bummer snag.

[figwam]

Quote: Carpenter 2329

The engines would not become, as often, a bummer snag.

Engine production will be in Russia.

[Alf]

Quote: figvam

Engine production will be in Russia

Who will allow it?

[Mestny]

Quote from the ARTICLE:

In the spring of this year, it became known about the localization in Russia of the production of the German RED-A03T engine, the production of which was engaged in the Russo-Balt company.

Are you in the heat of the struggle with the oligarchs even not reading the article?

[Mr Credo]

Well, probably they will release under license. And to develop and test new engines? On the one hand, the release is good. On the other hand, there will be no school for designing engines and new developments. This optimization of production. In five, ten years, the motor will become obsolete and again purchase a license !? What if they don’t sell it to us? What will we do then? There is no school, no development. Steal technology?

[vfwfr]

Who will develop new engines? A generation of USE students from different educational institutions with different teaching information with antediluvian laboratories in these institutions.
Maybe I'm wrong, I hope that fortunately ...

[Alf]

Quote: Mestny

Quote from the ARTICLE:

In the spring of this year, it became known about the localization in Russia of the production of the German RED-A03T engine, the production of which was engaged in the Russo-Balt company.

Are you in the heat of the struggle with the oligarchs even not reading the article?

This will be the same localization as Superjet. All of his dvigun, that's just the main part is delivered from France.

[vfwfr]

There was a plot on it ... It wasn’t ours, electronics too, doors / hatches from some plane (saved on development) ... In short, as I understood it: Ours is a material for the fuselage, landing gear and Russian techies with skilled assemblers. All.

[Alf]

Quote: vfwfr

There was a plot on it ... It wasn’t ours, electronics too, doors / hatches from some plane (saved on development) ... In short, as I understood it: Ours is a material for the fuselage, landing gear and Russian techies with skilled assemblers. All.

Yes, how dare you say such a thing! You are not a patriot of Russia!

[vfwfr]

"" There was a story about him ... "" nothing personal)))))))))
Esche would decide what patriotism .. not from the TV screens))
Tu-334 is somehow dearer to me))))))))

[Mountain shooter]

Engine developer - from Kazan. He organized production in Germany, and in Russia he organized. A man is a patriot at all !!! He said - they will not let me work - I will leave for Russia and I will work here. Read about it. He has two diesel engines -500 hp for 12 cylinders and 350 for 6. The specific consumption of 160 g / hp hour!!! Fuel - jet fuel.
Just like a special operation was carried out - they sent their talent into the "nutrient medium", he developed and tested aircraft diesel there (it is easier and more convenient there.) And now - to the Motherland

[rocket757]

It’s more logical to take yours! If quality is all right ....

[Polite Moose]

Quote: rocket757

It’s more logical to take yours! If quality is all right ....

Yes, yes! But I suppose that the Austrians were drawn here for a reason. The presence of a second participant in the competition has always had a beneficial effect on the final price. And on quality, naturally.

[rocket757]

Quote: Polite Elk

on quality, naturally.

Our aviation technology is quite consistent in quality .... true commercial interest, desire to shake out profits to the maximum, they do their "dirty" business everywhere and everywhere!
Boom to hope!

[dgonni]

There moitor sichi engines! So go by! With Deutschlands there will also be troubles. to establish the production of high-tech aviation diesel is not khukh mukhra. Vaguely truncated!

[goose]

The development of its high-tech diesel costs about 5-8 million dollars. A small factory for its production will cost about the same. I don’t see anything super-cool.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: goose

5-8 million dollars. A small factory for its production will cost about the same.

I blow you greatly underestimated the price of the factory.

[vfwfr]

For fewer kickbacks, and the cost of a hectare is not like that of an IP .. and everything will be much cheaper
well, and without additional secretaries living abroad)))

[Freeman]

Quote: dgonni

There moitor sichi engines! So go by! With Deutschlands there will also be troubles. to establish the production of high-tech aviation diesel is not khukh mukhra. Vaguely truncated!

“Everything is not so straightforward” (C)

And the Chinese "almost bought Motor Sich"
https://biz.liga.net/all/it/novosti/sbu-podozrevaet-bogosulaeva-v-nezakonnoy-prodazhe-56-motor-sich

And "Diamond Aircraft" came under the control of the Chinese company Wanfeng Aviation Industry Co., Ltd at the end of 2017
https://tehnowar.ru/80699-samolet-diamond-dart-550.html

So in the light of the development of the "partnership" with China, we may well buy.
- "Even I won't be surprised ..."

[Mountain shooter]

Kazan Reichlin works in MotorSichi? The first time I've heard!!!

Quote: dgonni

There moitor sichi engines! So go by! With Deutschlands there will also be troubles. to establish the production of high-tech aviation diesel is not khukh mukhra. Vaguely truncated!

[cost]

According to the Honored Pilot of Russia, Major General Alexander Akhlustin, in this case there are more chances for the Yak-152.

Yes, the Diamond DART-550 has practically no chance at all.
it is called simply - no alternative government auction. Today it’s very close

[Cycle boss]

If the equipment is manufactured at our production facilities and our workers, why not. Moreover, it seems like a law on import substitution, the priority is given to domestic goods (products).

[cost]

Veloboss (Nikolay): why not. Moreover, it seems like a law on import substitution, the priority is given to domestic goods (products).

Greetings Nikolay
I do not mind, on the contrary, with two hands for

[Alf]

Quote: Cycle Boss

If the equipment is manufactured at our production facilities and our workers, why not.

Lynx was believed to be also produced in Russia, but in fact only nameplates were screwed.

[Alf]

Quote: Alf

Quote: Cycle Boss

If the equipment is manufactured at our production facilities and our workers, why not.

Lynx was believed to be also produced in Russia, but in fact only nameplates were screwed.

Really the Lynx of the Russian development and from the Russian spare parts? Thank you, enlightened, otherwise I would have thought that the Lynx is Italian.

[Alf]

Quote: Cycle Boss

If the equipment is manufactured at our production facilities and our workers, why not.

And the profit from the country-bye-bye, waving a pen. And then we are surprised how many billions are exported from the country.

[Mestny]

That's right!
No need to produce anything at all, anyway, profit from the country bye-bye.
"enough tolerating this!"

[Alf]

Quote: Mestny

That's right!
No need to produce anything at all, anyway, profit from the country bye-bye.
"enough tolerating this!"

You, as usual, confuse horseradish with a finger. It produces its own profit in the country, investor taxes here, and profit in the investor’s country.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alf

Quote: Mestny

That's right!
No need to produce anything at all, anyway, profit from the country bye-bye.
"enough tolerating this!"

You, as usual, confuse horseradish with a finger. It produces its own profit in the country, investor taxes here, and profit in the investor’s country.

If the enterprise does not belong to the state, in any case, the profit goes to the owner of the enterprise and shareholders, whether they are at least Russian, at least foreign citizens. And the state receives only taxes.

[Alf]

Quote: Piramidon

And the state receives only taxes.

So I believe that production should be state-owned, and staff interest should be in the form of bonuses for labor and special bonuses for the opportunity to improve, speed up, and reduce the cost of this work.

[Bull Terrier]

This is called Austria does not fish out with sanctions, here are the buns for you) allowed to the tender! Which is basically logical

[Spike Javelin Touvich]

I don’t know why but turboprop airplanes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By4GxEb6s54

[san4es]

... clarity in this matter will come upon completion of state tests of the Yak-152 UTS,

... and the only competitor in the fight for the order is the Austrian Diamond DART-550 aircraft.

$ 3.1 million

[Faceless]

Interestingly, there really is someone who believes that under the current conditions, the Austrian Diamond DART-550 aircraft will be delivered to our Ministry of Defense?))
Then immediately the American would have bought)

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Faceless

Interestingly, there really is someone who believes that under the current conditions, the Austrian Diamond DART-550 aircraft will be delivered to our Ministry of Defense?

It is believed, of course, with difficulty. But, if this deal (or rather the rustling of European banknotes received during its implementation) breaks the barrier of German fear of p-Soviet sanctions, and the hustle in the queue for trading high-tech products with Russia begins, and what with Russia - with the Russian Defense Ministry! And also the event can be used as a political trump card in the undercover battles in the Bundestag, then I completely admit that our Austrians can buy ours.

[Alf]

Quote: Faceless

Interestingly, there really is someone who believes that under the current conditions, the Austrian Diamond DART-550 aircraft will be delivered to our Ministry of Defense?))

And why then fence the garden with a competition?

[VIT101]

Quote: Faceless

Interestingly, there really is someone who believes that under the current conditions, the Austrian Diamond DART-550 aircraft will be delivered to our Ministry of Defense?))
Then immediately the American would have bought)

American sweep immediately. But the Austrian has a chance. Firstly, Austria is the only Western country that did not support Western sanctions against Russia and did not expel our diplomats. Secondly, it is no coincidence that recently Putin was at a wedding at the bride-chef of the Austrian Foreign Ministry. Thirdly, the other day, the Austrian Chancellor visited us and the visit was very successful. And if the price is negotiable, then the acquisition of Diamonds is very likely. But in order not to be offended by their own, they will also buy Yaki.

[vfwfr]

There is already a similar scheme ... with an Italian armored vehicle, with our only name "Lynx"
This is a market .. there is demand, there will be supply ...

[Detnix]

Which Austrian Diamond if there is one, agreed on the price and go.

[gx200gx]

what does the su-57-talk about training pilots

[Mestny]

How old are you?

[gx200gx]

you asked me about age

[RL]

Austria in the "kenguryatniki" recorded ?! But!

[Antares]

Quote: ioan-e

Fuck kenguryatnikov, let their "eroplanes" be sucked in by the small-haired people! Sanctions!!!!!!!!!

In Austria, a kangaroo?
(variation Austria-Australia, Iran Iraq)

[AUL]

They are not geographically like this yet. But appreciate the emotions!

[ioan-e]

Quote from AUL

They are not geographically like this yet. But appreciate the emotions!

Don't you understand sarcasm? At Vienna Airport there is an inscription specifically for Americans - this is Austria and not Australia, there is no kangaroo here! After that, I call them krnguryatniki.

[Alexey-74]

Interestingly, in other armies they also use screw aviation for pilot training

[NN52]

Almost everyone uses it. And the Americans as well.

[Alf]

Quote: NN52

Almost everyone uses it. And the Americans as well.

Piston airplanes are the first stage in schools, they find out if a cadet can fly at all.

[Ros 56]

One thing is not clear for whom they are intended, they are not needed for military schools, they immediately teach them on jet, Elki da Yak -130th. In DOSAAF, almost everything was killed, one at a time - two aircraft, this is not a job, and where to get the instructors.

[NN52]

L 39 finish off their resource.
In the future there will be a bunch of Yak 152 and Yak 130. This is quite enough.

[Ros 56]

You can not harness in one harness, a horse and a trembling doe.
Let's see how it will be in life.

[dauria]

Let's see how it will be in life.

Most likely, like the bourgeoisie. For your money, the original. Then (if there are places after sons and even daughters) will remain - they will learn at the state expense. But you will not fulfill the contract - money for training on a barrel. Gagarins from the village have ended, forget. Yes, and by and large there is nothing to fly.
And the diesel engine of this muddy story. Some Jew from Kazan
Institute founded in Germany !!! RED Aircraft GmbH. This engine has no customers except our Yak-152. Under this future order, production in the Russian Federation is also muddied. In a word, the engine itself is a dark horse that has not been truly verified by anyone.

[Rusfaner]

It would be very good if they bring and localize the diesel for Yak-a. The glider there is historically good.

[Chicha squad]

The aircraft is needed, but it's still not a full replacement for the L-39.

[NN52]

In the light of the training of cadets on the Yak 130, the initial training on the L 39 (reactive immediately) becomes redundant ... The Yak 130 is not a Mig 21, or a Mig 23, or a Mig 29 ... (which were previously released from the flight ). Yak 130 is an aircraft "comfortable" in control and training for cadets.
The correct decision, albeit a little belated (waited until L 39 would soon "die" completely ...
But here is another problem ..., with instructor pilots ... Do they all agree to switch from reactive to piston, they lose a lot ...

[LMN]

Quote: NN52

But here is another problem ..., with instructor pilots ... Do they all agree to switch from reactive to piston, they lose a lot ...

What do they lose?
No trick question. Just interesting.
Do you mean that driving a jet is much more fun than a piston?

[NN52]

LMN (Maxim)
They lose much in wages (the grid is lower), chocolate (not a reactive diet ...), a leather jacket, etc. tp ,,,,)

[LMN]

Quote: NN52

LMN (Maxim)
They lose much in wages (the grid is lower), chocolate (not a reactive diet ...), a leather jacket, etc. tp ,,,,)

I don’t know .. but I think that somehow they will stimulate Besides, I am sure that not everything, even in our time, is decided by "chocolate" and "sausage".

Another unexpected question arose for you, as a specialist. I heard that you have to do with practical aviation ..

Are there restrictions on age and health on the management of a particular group of aircraft? For example: can a pilot pilot a MiG-31 (conditionally) at 50 years old if it fits on tests? Or is there a certain age qualification, after which he will not sit at the helm of a fighter on alert duty under any conditions (apart from martial law)?
And then what happens? Does he retain a permit to fly in combat vehicles, which are less demanding on the "qualities" of the pilot?

[NN52]

LMN
Maksim
Well, they'll be stimulated about it, and I'll leave "chocolate with sausage" on your conscience, you still won't understand ....
As for age, they aren’t getting that much now (there’s no one to fly), the contract is renewed by the flight crew with a positive opinion of the VLK on admission to flights (sometimes it comes to 8 diagnoses, and from them 3 to 50 orders ..)
There is no age qualification, MAIN MEDICINE (VLK), and 31 in a more normal mode (the centrifuge does not have to go through, unlike Su 30,35 ...)
If you do not pass medicine, DEMBEL-PENSION, or for non-flying work ...
Well, there are still several examples of the transition from fighter aircraft to the BTA ... (but there are much more examples of the transition (dismissal to the reserve, followed by the passage of VLEK) to the Civil Air Fleet ..

[LMN]

Quote: NN52

LMN
Maksim
Well, they'll be stimulated about it, and I'll leave "chocolate with sausage" on your conscience, you still won't understand ....
As for age, they aren’t getting that much now (there’s no one to fly), the contract is renewed by the flight crew with a positive opinion of the VLK on admission to flights (sometimes it comes to 8 diagnoses, and from them 3 to 50 orders ..)
There is no age qualification, MAIN MEDICINE (VLK), and 31 in a more normal mode (the centrifuge does not have to go through, unlike Su 30,35 ...)
If you do not pass medicine, DEMBEL-PENSION, or for non-flying work ...
Well, there are still several examples of the transition from fighter aircraft to the BTA ... (but there are much more examples of the transition (dismissal to the reserve, followed by the passage of VLEK) to the Civil Air Fleet ..

Well, they'll be stimulated about it, and I'll leave "chocolate with sausage" on your conscience, you still won't understand ....

Strange pretty conclusion
You yourself have given me purely "material" reasons, although I am sure that this is not so!
Maybe in aviation everything is different, but it seems to me that the instructors who taught the cadets to "fly" will continue to do this on the "piston"! Because initially, each instructor (no matter what kind of troops), signing up for this job, answered a number of questions. And since they made such a decision to "train newcomers" and have been doing this since 10 years, I don't think that many "they will give up" this business. An important and necessary matter, please note !!

If you do not pass medicine, DEMBEL-PENSION, or for non-flying work ...

It’s not in vain that I asked you about this. If a pilot is not able to pilot a combat fighter, is he able to control and train (after undergoing certain training) cadets on the Yak-152? Here you have a reserve of instructors

In general, I did not understand your "offense" ..

But in essence, thank you for the answer, clarified!

[Ros 56]

C'mon, lie about leather jackets, in our club everything corresponded: both the demi-season, and the winter, and leather, and high fur boots with fur boots, and camel sweaters. There was definitely no chocolate; the Yak-18, Yak-12, Yak-52 aircraft even had one Yak-55, and what do you want from DOSAAF. One leg is the Air Force, the other leg is GVF, and in the middle of DOSAAF, everything is as always.

[APASUS]

There were no problems with the purchase of aircraft. But I wanted to further develop the Yak-152 program, for example, into a light attack aircraft, use the basis for an attack UAV, an aircraft with a wider range of applications

[Baloo]

As a boy, he saw the flight of the Yak-18 over the private sector in Samara at an altitude of 8-10 meters, he saw the faces of the pilots.
An air desk is needed, reliable like everything Soviet, forgiving errors, manageable. I also saw how the An-2 takes off: on the brakes it gazed until the tail rose and after 50 meters it was already in the air. Good luck to the pilot so that the number of takeoffs equals landings. My dream of the sky over the oceans did not come true because of a nose broken in childhood while defending my interests.

[voyaka uh]

And immediately on training reactive is not easier to learn?

[vfwfr]

NOT easier.
It's like a driving school to immediately learn in FORMULA-1 or 3 ... health can eat, but there is no brain ....