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The Ministry of Defense will purchase more 200 screw TCB. By screws!

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The Russian military will purchase 230 screw training aircraft (TCB) for the initial training of cadets, the agency reports Military.RF source message in aviation industry.


Yak-152

According to the source, the decision to purchase 230 aircraft was made at the level of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, but which ones have not yet been reported.

The interlocutor added that clarity in this matter will come at the end of the state tests of the Yak-152 TCF, and the Austrian Diamond DART-550 aircraft is the only competitor in the fight for the order.

According to the Honored Pilot of Russia, Major General Alexander Ahlustin, in this case, the Yak-152 has more chances.

He noted that the initial preparation needed just such a machine, without unnecessary "bells and whistles". At this stage of training, the main thing is the training of the tactile sensations by the cadet to control the aircraft. He must learn to make quick decisions on height, speed and course of the car.

Recall the Yak-152 first flew in September 2016. In the spring of this year, it became known about the localization in the Russian Federation of the production of the German engine RED-A03T, the release of which the Russo-Balt company took up.

Austrian Diamond Aircraft Industries DART-550 turboprop aircraft are also designed for initial training at flight schools. Their take-off weight is 2400 kg, ground speed is up to 460 km / h, flight duration is about 8 hours.
Photos used:
Alexey Korshunov, Russianplanes.net
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  1. 2329 Carpenter
    2329 Carpenter 8 October 2018 15: 03
    +3
    The engines would not become, as often, a bummer snag.
    1. figwam
      figwam 8 October 2018 15: 24
      +1
      Quote: Carpenter 2329
      The engines would not become, as often, a bummer snag.

      Engine production will be in Russia.
      1. Alf
        Alf 8 October 2018 16: 05
        -2
        Quote: figvam
        Engine production will be in Russia

        Who will allow it?
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 8 October 2018 18: 18
          +3
          Quote from the ARTICLE:
          In the spring of this year, it became known about the localization in Russia of the production of the German RED-A03T engine, the production of which was engaged in the Russo-Balt company.

          Are you in the heat of the struggle with the oligarchs even not reading the article?
          1. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 8 October 2018 18: 42
            +2
            Well, probably they will release under license. And to develop and test new engines? On the one hand, the release is good. On the other hand, there will be no school for designing engines and new developments. This optimization of production. In five, ten years, the motor will become obsolete and again purchase a license !? What if they don’t sell it to us? What will we do then? There is no school, no development. Steal technology?
            1. vfwfr
              vfwfr 8 October 2018 21: 03
              +2
              Who will develop new engines? A generation of USE students from different educational institutions with different teaching information with antediluvian laboratories in these institutions.
              Maybe I'm wrong, I hope that fortunately ...
          2. Alf
            Alf 8 October 2018 18: 45
            +5
            Quote: Mestny
            Quote from the ARTICLE:
            In the spring of this year, it became known about the localization in Russia of the production of the German RED-A03T engine, the production of which was engaged in the Russo-Balt company.

            Are you in the heat of the struggle with the oligarchs even not reading the article?

            This will be the same localization as Superjet. All of his dvigun, that's just the main part is delivered from France.
            1. vfwfr
              vfwfr 8 October 2018 21: 08
              +4
              There was a plot on it ... It wasn’t ours, electronics too, doors / hatches from some plane (saved on development) ... In short, as I understood it: Ours is a material for the fuselage, landing gear and Russian techies with skilled assemblers. All.
              1. Alf
                Alf 8 October 2018 21: 10
                +2
                Quote: vfwfr
                There was a plot on it ... It wasn’t ours, electronics too, doors / hatches from some plane (saved on development) ... In short, as I understood it: Ours is a material for the fuselage, landing gear and Russian techies with skilled assemblers. All.

                Yes, how dare you say such a thing! You are not a patriot of Russia! laughing
                1. vfwfr
                  vfwfr 11 October 2018 22: 40
                  0
                  "" There was a story about him ... "" nothing personal))))))))) wink laughing
                  Esche would decide what patriotism .. not from the TV screens))
                  Tu-334 is somehow dearer to me)))))))) wink
              2. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 9 October 2018 02: 11
                +1
                Engine developer - from Kazan. He organized production in Germany, and in Russia he organized. A man is a patriot at all !!! He said - they will not let me work - I will leave for Russia and I will work here. Read about it. He has two diesel engines -500 hp for 12 cylinders and 350 for 6. The specific consumption of 160 g / hp hour!!! Fuel - jet fuel.
                Just like a special operation was carried out - they sent their talent into the "nutrient medium", he developed and tested aircraft diesel there (it is easier and more convenient there.) And now - to the Motherland laughing
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 8 October 2018 15: 04
    +8
    It’s more logical to take yours! If quality is all right ....
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 8 October 2018 15: 36
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      It’s more logical to take yours! If quality is all right ....

      Yes, yes! But I suppose that the Austrians were drawn here for a reason. The presence of a second participant in the competition has always had a beneficial effect on the final price. And on quality, naturally.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 October 2018 15: 48
        +3
        Quote: Polite Elk
        on quality, naturally.

        Our aviation technology is quite consistent in quality .... true commercial interest, desire to shake out profits to the maximum, they do their "dirty" business everywhere and everywhere!
        Boom to hope!
      2. dgonni
        dgonni 8 October 2018 16: 51
        -4
        There moitor sichi engines! So go by! With Deutschlands there will also be troubles. to establish the production of high-tech aviation diesel is not khukh mukhra. Vaguely truncated!
        1. goose
          goose 8 October 2018 17: 24
          +1
          The development of its high-tech diesel costs about 5-8 million dollars. A small factory for its production will cost about the same. I don’t see anything super-cool.
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 8 October 2018 19: 39
            +1
            Quote: goose
            5-8 million dollars. A small factory for its production will cost about the same.

            I blow you greatly underestimated the price of the factory.
            1. vfwfr
              vfwfr 8 October 2018 21: 15
              +1
              For fewer kickbacks, and the cost of a hectare is not like that of an IP .. and everything will be much cheaper
              well, and without additional secretaries living abroad)))
        2. Freeman
          Freeman 9 October 2018 00: 16
          +3
          Quote: dgonni
          There moitor sichi engines! So go by! With Deutschlands there will also be troubles. to establish the production of high-tech aviation diesel is not khukh mukhra. Vaguely truncated!

          “Everything is not so straightforward” (C)

          And the Chinese "almost bought Motor Sich"
          https://biz.liga.net/all/it/novosti/sbu-podozrevaet-bogosulaeva-v-nezakonnoy-prodazhe-56-motor-sich

          And "Diamond Aircraft" came under the control of the Chinese company Wanfeng Aviation Industry Co., Ltd at the end of 2017
          https://tehnowar.ru/80699-samolet-diamond-dart-550.html

          So in the light of the development of the "partnership" with China, we may well buy.
          - "Even I won't be surprised ..." sad
        3. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 9 October 2018 02: 14
          +1
          Kazan Reichlin works in MotorSichi? The first time I've heard!!!
          Quote: dgonni
          There moitor sichi engines! So go by! With Deutschlands there will also be troubles. to establish the production of high-tech aviation diesel is not khukh mukhra. Vaguely truncated!
  3. cost
    cost 8 October 2018 15: 08
    +4
    According to the Honored Pilot of Russia, Major General Alexander Akhlustin, in this case there are more chances for the Yak-152.

    Yes, the Diamond DART-550 has practically no chance at all.
    it is called simply - no alternative government auction. Today it’s very close
    1. Cycle boss
      Cycle boss 8 October 2018 15: 29
      +3
      If the equipment is manufactured at our production facilities and our workers, why not. Moreover, it seems like a law on import substitution, the priority is given to domestic goods (products).
      1. cost
        cost 8 October 2018 15: 42
        0
        Veloboss (Nikolay): why not. Moreover, it seems like a law on import substitution, the priority is given to domestic goods (products).

        Greetings Nikolay hi
        I do not mind, on the contrary, with two hands for
      2. Alf
        Alf 8 October 2018 16: 01
        0
        Quote: Cycle Boss
        If the equipment is manufactured at our production facilities and our workers, why not.

        Lynx was believed to be also produced in Russia, but in fact only nameplates were screwed.
        1. Alf
          Alf 8 October 2018 17: 27
          -1
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: Cycle Boss
          If the equipment is manufactured at our production facilities and our workers, why not.

          Lynx was believed to be also produced in Russia, but in fact only nameplates were screwed.

          Really the Lynx of the Russian development and from the Russian spare parts? Thank you, enlightened, otherwise I would have thought that the Lynx is Italian.
      3. Alf
        Alf 8 October 2018 17: 25
        -1
        Quote: Cycle Boss
        If the equipment is manufactured at our production facilities and our workers, why not.

        And the profit from the country-bye-bye, waving a pen. And then we are surprised how many billions are exported from the country.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 8 October 2018 18: 20
          -3
          That's right!
          No need to produce anything at all, anyway, profit from the country bye-bye.
          "enough tolerating this!"
          1. Alf
            Alf 8 October 2018 18: 47
            0
            Quote: Mestny
            That's right!
            No need to produce anything at all, anyway, profit from the country bye-bye.
            "enough tolerating this!"

            You, as usual, confuse horseradish with a finger. It produces its own profit in the country, investor taxes here, and profit in the investor’s country.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 8 October 2018 19: 31
              +2
              Quote: Alf
              Quote: Mestny
              That's right!
              No need to produce anything at all, anyway, profit from the country bye-bye.
              "enough tolerating this!"

              You, as usual, confuse horseradish with a finger. It produces its own profit in the country, investor taxes here, and profit in the investor’s country.

              If the enterprise does not belong to the state, in any case, the profit goes to the owner of the enterprise and shareholders, whether they are at least Russian, at least foreign citizens. And the state receives only taxes.
              1. Alf
                Alf 8 October 2018 19: 50
                +1
                Quote: Piramidon
                And the state receives only taxes.

                So I believe that production should be state-owned, and staff interest should be in the form of bonuses for labor and special bonuses for the opportunity to improve, speed up, and reduce the cost of this work.
    2. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 8 October 2018 17: 10
      -2
      This is called Austria does not fish out with sanctions, here are the buns for you) allowed to the tender! Which is basically logical
  4. Spike Javelin Touvich
    Spike Javelin Touvich 8 October 2018 15: 12
    +1
    I don’t know why but turboprop airplanes
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By4GxEb6s54
  5. san4es
    san4es 8 October 2018 15: 13
    +4
    ... clarity in this matter will come upon completion of state tests of the Yak-152 UTS,
    ... and the only competitor in the fight for the order is the Austrian Diamond DART-550 aircraft.

    $ 3.1 million
  6. Faceless
    Faceless 8 October 2018 15: 22
    +2
    Interestingly, there really is someone who believes that under the current conditions, the Austrian Diamond DART-550 aircraft will be delivered to our Ministry of Defense?))
    Then immediately the American would have bought)
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 8 October 2018 15: 53
      0
      Quote: Faceless
      Interestingly, there really is someone who believes that under the current conditions, the Austrian Diamond DART-550 aircraft will be delivered to our Ministry of Defense?

      It is believed, of course, with difficulty. But, if this deal (or rather the rustling of European banknotes received during its implementation) breaks the barrier of German fear of p-Soviet sanctions, and the hustle in the queue for trading high-tech products with Russia begins, and what with Russia - with the Russian Defense Ministry! And also the event can be used as a political trump card in the undercover battles in the Bundestag, then I completely admit that our Austrians can buy ours.
    2. Alf
      Alf 8 October 2018 16: 03
      +1
      Quote: Faceless
      Interestingly, there really is someone who believes that under the current conditions, the Austrian Diamond DART-550 aircraft will be delivered to our Ministry of Defense?))

      And why then fence the garden with a competition?
    3. VIT101
      VIT101 8 October 2018 21: 00
      +1
      Quote: Faceless
      Interestingly, there really is someone who believes that under the current conditions, the Austrian Diamond DART-550 aircraft will be delivered to our Ministry of Defense?))
      Then immediately the American would have bought)


      American sweep immediately. But the Austrian has a chance. Firstly, Austria is the only Western country that did not support Western sanctions against Russia and did not expel our diplomats. Secondly, it is no coincidence that recently Putin was at a wedding at the bride-chef of the Austrian Foreign Ministry. Thirdly, the other day, the Austrian Chancellor visited us and the visit was very successful. And if the price is negotiable, then the acquisition of Diamonds is very likely. But in order not to be offended by their own, they will also buy Yaki.
    4. vfwfr
      vfwfr 11 October 2018 22: 48
      0
      There is already a similar scheme ... with an Italian armored vehicle, with our only name "Lynx"
      This is a market .. there is demand, there will be supply ...
  7. Detnix
    Detnix 8 October 2018 15: 39
    +2
    Which Austrian Diamond negative if there is one, agreed on the price and go.
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    1. gx200gx
      gx200gx 8 October 2018 16: 01
      +2
      what does the su-57-talk about training pilots
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 8 October 2018 18: 22
          0
          How old are you?
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          2. gx200gx
            gx200gx 9 October 2018 17: 00
            0
            you asked me about age
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    1. RL
      RL 8 October 2018 15: 57
      +2
      Austria in the "kenguryatniki" recorded ?! But!
    2. Antares
      Antares 8 October 2018 15: 58
      +2
      Quote: ioan-e
      Fuck kenguryatnikov, let their "eroplanes" be sucked in by the small-haired people! Sanctions!!!!!!!!!

      In Austria, a kangaroo?
      (variation Austria-Australia, Iran Iraq)
      1. AUL
        AUL 8 October 2018 16: 09
        +2
        They are not geographically like this yet. But appreciate the emotions!
        1. ioan-e
          ioan-e 8 October 2018 22: 04
          +2
          Quote: AUL
          They are not geographically like this yet. But appreciate the emotions!

          Don't you understand sarcasm? At Vienna Airport there is an inscription specifically for Americans - this is Austria and not Australia, there is no kangaroo here! After that, I call them krnguryatniki. tongue
  10. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 8 October 2018 16: 13
    0
    Interestingly, in other armies they also use screw aviation for pilot training
    1. NN52
      NN52 8 October 2018 16: 53
      0
      Almost everyone uses it. And the Americans as well.
      1. Alf
        Alf 8 October 2018 19: 52
        +1
        Quote: NN52
        Almost everyone uses it. And the Americans as well.

        Piston airplanes are the first stage in schools, they find out if a cadet can fly at all.
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 October 2018 16: 17
    0
    One thing is not clear for whom they are intended, they are not needed for military schools, they immediately teach them on jet, Elki da Yak -130th. In DOSAAF, almost everything was killed, one at a time - two aircraft, this is not a job, and where to get the instructors.
    1. NN52
      NN52 8 October 2018 16: 52
      0
      L 39 finish off their resource.
      In the future there will be a bunch of Yak 152 and Yak 130. This is quite enough.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 8 October 2018 16: 59
        0
        You can not harness in one harness, a horse and a trembling doe. request
        Let's see how it will be in life. hi
        1. dauria
          dauria 9 October 2018 01: 59
          +1
          Let's see how it will be in life.

          Most likely, like the bourgeoisie. For your money, the original. Then (if there are places after sons and even daughters) will remain - they will learn at the state expense. But you will not fulfill the contract - money for training on a barrel. Gagarins from the village have ended, forget. Yes, and by and large there is nothing to fly.
          And the diesel engine of this muddy story. Some Jew from Kazan
          Institute founded in Germany !!! RED Aircraft GmbH. This engine has no customers except our Yak-152. Under this future order, production in the Russian Federation is also muddied. In a word, the engine itself is a dark horse that has not been truly verified by anyone.
  12. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 8 October 2018 17: 55
    +1
    It would be very good if they bring and localize the diesel for Yak-a. The glider there is historically good.
  13. Chicha squad
    Chicha squad 8 October 2018 17: 55
    0
    The aircraft is needed, but it's still not a full replacement for the L-39.
    1. NN52
      NN52 8 October 2018 18: 20
      -1
      In the light of the training of cadets on the Yak 130, the initial training on the L 39 (reactive immediately) becomes redundant ... The Yak 130 is not a Mig 21, or a Mig 23, or a Mig 29 ... (which were previously released from the flight ). Yak 130 is an aircraft "comfortable" in control and training for cadets.
      The correct decision, albeit a little belated (waited until L 39 would soon "die" completely ...
      But here is another problem ..., with instructor pilots ... Do they all agree to switch from reactive to piston, they lose a lot ...
      1. LMN
        LMN 8 October 2018 23: 07
        +3
        Quote: NN52

        But here is another problem ..., with instructor pilots ... Do they all agree to switch from reactive to piston, they lose a lot ...

        What do they lose? what
        No trick question. Just interesting. hi
        Do you mean that driving a jet is much more fun than a piston?
        1. NN52
          NN52 8 October 2018 23: 13
          0
          LMN (Maxim)
          They lose much in wages (the grid is lower), chocolate (not a reactive diet ...), a leather jacket, etc. tp ,,,,)
          1. LMN
            LMN 8 October 2018 23: 37
            +2
            Quote: NN52
            LMN (Maxim)
            They lose much in wages (the grid is lower), chocolate (not a reactive diet ...), a leather jacket, etc. tp ,,,,)

            I don’t know .. but I think that somehow they will stimulate yes Besides, I am sure that not everything, even in our time, is decided by "chocolate" and "sausage".

            Another unexpected question arose for you, as a specialist. I heard that you have to do with practical aviation .. repeat

            Are there restrictions on age and health on the management of a particular group of aircraft? For example: can a pilot pilot a MiG-31 (conditionally) at 50 years old if it fits on tests? what Or is there a certain age qualification, after which he will not sit at the helm of a fighter on alert duty under any conditions (apart from martial law)?
            And then what happens? Does he retain a permit to fly in combat vehicles, which are less demanding on the "qualities" of the pilot? request

            hi
            1. NN52
              NN52 9 October 2018 00: 24
              -1
              LMN
              Maksim
              Well, they'll be stimulated about it, and I'll leave "chocolate with sausage" on your conscience, you still won't understand ....
              As for age, they aren’t getting that much now (there’s no one to fly), the contract is renewed by the flight crew with a positive opinion of the VLK on admission to flights (sometimes it comes to 8 diagnoses, and from them 3 to 50 orders ..)
              There is no age qualification, MAIN MEDICINE (VLK), and 31 in a more normal mode (the centrifuge does not have to go through, unlike Su 30,35 ...)
              If you do not pass medicine, DEMBEL-PENSION, or for non-flying work ...
              Well, there are still several examples of the transition from fighter aircraft to the BTA ... (but there are much more examples of the transition (dismissal to the reserve, followed by the passage of VLEK) to the Civil Air Fleet ..
              1. LMN
                LMN 9 October 2018 01: 02
                +2
                Quote: NN52
                LMN
                Maksim
                Well, they'll be stimulated about it, and I'll leave "chocolate with sausage" on your conscience, you still won't understand ....
                As for age, they aren’t getting that much now (there’s no one to fly), the contract is renewed by the flight crew with a positive opinion of the VLK on admission to flights (sometimes it comes to 8 diagnoses, and from them 3 to 50 orders ..)
                There is no age qualification, MAIN MEDICINE (VLK), and 31 in a more normal mode (the centrifuge does not have to go through, unlike Su 30,35 ...)
                If you do not pass medicine, DEMBEL-PENSION, or for non-flying work ...
                Well, there are still several examples of the transition from fighter aircraft to the BTA ... (but there are much more examples of the transition (dismissal to the reserve, followed by the passage of VLEK) to the Civil Air Fleet ..

                Well, they'll be stimulated about it, and I'll leave "chocolate with sausage" on your conscience, you still won't understand ....

                Strange pretty conclusion what
                You yourself have given me purely "material" reasons, although I am sure that this is not so!
                Maybe in aviation everything is different, but it seems to me that the instructors who taught the cadets to "fly" will continue to do this on the "piston"! yes Because initially, each instructor (no matter what kind of troops), signing up for this job, answered a number of questions. And since they made such a decision to "train newcomers" and have been doing this since 10 years, I don't think that many "they will give up" this business. An important and necessary matter, please note !!
                If you do not pass medicine, DEMBEL-PENSION, or for non-flying work ...

                It’s not in vain that I asked you about this. If a pilot is not able to pilot a combat fighter, is he able to control and train (after undergoing certain training) cadets on the Yak-152? wink Here you have a reserve of instructors smile

                In general, I did not understand your "offense" .. request

                But in essence, thank you for the answer, clarified! hi
          2. Ros 56
            Ros 56 9 October 2018 08: 40
            0
            C'mon, lie about leather jackets, in our club everything corresponded: both the demi-season, and the winter, and leather, and high fur boots with fur boots, and camel sweaters. There was definitely no chocolate; the Yak-18, Yak-12, Yak-52 aircraft even had one Yak-55, and what do you want from DOSAAF. One leg is the Air Force, the other leg is GVF, and in the middle of DOSAAF, everything is as always.
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 8 October 2018 21: 18
    0
    There were no problems with the purchase of aircraft. But I wanted to further develop the Yak-152 program, for example, into a light attack aircraft, use the basis for an attack UAV, an aircraft with a wider range of applications
  15. Baloo
    Baloo 8 October 2018 21: 29
    +1
    As a boy, he saw the flight of the Yak-18 over the private sector in Samara at an altitude of 8-10 meters, he saw the faces of the pilots.
    An air desk is needed, reliable like everything Soviet, forgiving errors, manageable. I also saw how the An-2 takes off: on the brakes it gazed until the tail rose and after 50 meters it was already in the air. Good luck to the pilot so that the number of takeoffs equals landings. My dream of the sky over the oceans did not come true because of a nose broken in childhood while defending my interests.
  16. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 9 October 2018 23: 42
    0
    And immediately on training reactive is not easier to learn?
    1. vfwfr
      vfwfr 11 October 2018 23: 03
      0
      NOT easier.
      It's like a driving school to immediately learn in FORMULA-1 or 3 ... health can eat, but there is no brain ....