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Syria: if the guilty are not found, then Assad is to blame

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I. Counters from the Observatory-Diner


There is such a human rights organization - the Syrian Center for Monitoring the Observance of Human Rights. At the BBC, this center called otherwise: "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights." The discrepancy is due to the literal translation into Russian of the word “Observatory” in the title “Syrian Observatory for Human Rights”. Comrades from this office do not count the stars. Their job is to count corpses.

Syria: if the guilty are not found, then Assad is to blame


Despite the fact that the organization, which employs in the staff of accountants, is based in London, its employees are engaged in calculations in Syria. In the well-thought-out information strategy and tactics, “astronomers” cannot be denied. If in England, in which sometimes, despite the crisis (or perhaps because of it), half-dead democracy comes to life, and hapless accountants can be exposed and put up in the press in an unattractive way, then in Syria they are bribed smoothly: after all, representatives of the foreign press a tyrant, a strangler of liberties and a murderer of his own people, Bashar Assad does not let go.

26 May employees of the "observatory", referring to the nameless, but dedicated assistants from among the opposition activists who work in Syria here and there with video cameras and iPhones, told the democratic public of the West that the army of Assad had shelled the city of Hula, and not just from " Kalash ", and from large-caliber machine guns. The activists also noticed heavy military equipment. Neither the local oppositionists, nor the workers of the “observatory” for some reason could count the number of units of equipment. However, it was not their responsibility. Their work, again, count the corpses. Quote from "BBC":

"... According to the BBC correspondent in Beirut, Jim Muir, a video was published on the Internet in which the bloodied and mutilated bodies of children lay on the floor in a dark room, and the voice-over says that there are so many bodies that their impossible.

Human rights activists say that on the outskirts of the city security forces shot and killed several families. The rest, according to their data, either died during the shelling or were caught by the military and executed. ”

The BBC correspondent immediately adds: “It is currently not possible to verify the accuracy of all these messages, because the Syrian authorities have restricted access of foreign journalists to their territory.”

It is impossible to calculate ... It is impossible to verify ...

The bodies, however, were considered by the activists and observators. The terrible words that “there are so many bodies that it is impossible to count them,” were said to starter a nightmarish plot. The ordinary chernushno-journalistic method, which gives the opportunity in the next report to write the second chapter - already with the casting of specific numbers. First, the numbers are called roughly, with the addition of frightening readers "no less" or "above" and "more", and then comes the "updated information", where the round numbers of accountants are "specified". So it was this time.

В messages, then received from the Syrian Center for Monitoring the Observance of Human Rights, the first number appeared - 50 tel. Then we talked about more than 90 killed, among them 25 children. Appeared and third refined numbers: 110 dead, including 13 children. Finally, the opposition and the "observatory" have been named non-circular numbers: the person's 92, including the child's 32 (Yes version and with 38 children). The government army of Syria was named guilty of the killings in Hula. It was she who organized the shelling of Hula, as a result of which the 92 man died.

In a British newspaper The Guardian (article by Damien Pierce and Conal Urquhart, publ. 26 in May) provides other data obtained via Skype from "local activist" Abu Yazan: 12 people died during the shelling, and 106 was killed by "pro-government gangsters."

Ben Hubbard (The Associated Press) in a report from Beirut (published on May 26 The Washington Times) specifies the age of all killed children: up to 10 years.

RIA News" notes: “Western media regularly publish data provided by OSDH. Meanwhile, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation stated that the level of competence of this organization makes it doubtful of the accuracy of the information provided by it. According to the Russian diplomatic department, there are only two people working in the department (head and secretary-translator), and Rami Abdurahman, who heads him, does not even have a full secondary education. In an interview with the media, Abdurakhman reported that he resides in London, where he holds a snack bar. ”

And the secretary-translator must be a part-time salesman and cleaner at the diner.

However, British Foreign Secretary William Hague, apparently after reading the diner’s host’s and translator’s report, said angry filipiku about a "serious international response", which contained the words: "We demand the urgent convocation of the UN Security Council in the coming days."

What a gullible person this British foreign secretary. Or is it customary in the West to believe the first comer? .. Here we, the wild Russians, are used to not trusting anyone. Even activists from the London observatories counting the Syrian dead - and so do not believe.

There was a tragedy. There are dead. But the fact that the killers are “security forces” we do not believe. For the sake of objectivity, it should be noted that General R. Mood, the commander of the observation mission from the UN in Syria, Mr. West, did not make hasty statements about someone else's guilt. AT report from 27 May The BBC correspondent bashfully admits: "Earlier, the head of the UN mission of observers in Syria, General Robert Mood, called the incident a" cruel tragedy, "noting that the observers personally visited the site of the tragedy, but did not specify who the organization believes is guilty of the incident." Mood still сообщилwhat observers who visited the scene of the tragedy saw in the battle area tank shells.

Meanwhile, the broadcast has already filled the accusatory statements from Monsieur, Sirs and Misters. Numerous western prosecutors of Bashar al-Assad understood everything without additional explanations: on Friday in Hula, after prayer, thousands and thousands of people dissatisfied with Assad’s tyranny went to the square with protests. The city was fired from tanks and machine guns, there were casualties, and in addition several Assad security forces shot several families on the outskirts. "BBC" says: "It is impossible to confirm this information from independent sources." AND сообщает: “Syrian authorities blamed what happened on“ armed terrorist groups ... ”

The first was stirred up by France. Her Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius condemned the shelling of Hula and said: “I will immediately contact the member countries of the“ Friends of Syria ”group to arrange a meeting in Paris.”

After Paris, London strongly condemned the bloody affairs in Syria. The words of the head of the British Foreign Office, see above.

The choir of the EU joined the voices of Paris and London, in which Catherine Ashton was a soloist. how handed 27 May from Brussels corr. RIA "News"A. Shilo, she" strongly condemned the special operation of Syrian government troops in the city of Hula (Homs province), during which dozens of civilians, including children, were killed. " Ashton also said: "The international community must continue to speak in unison, demanding an end to the bloodshed and urging Assad to give up power and allow the transition to democracy."

In unison, Mrs. Ashton, they do not sing in the choir. Otherwise, it is no longer a chorus, but a bunch of fake drop-outs with solfeggio threes.

As we can see, the head of the EU diplomacy did not doubt that the dirty work of killing children and adults was the result of a special operation of the Syrian government forces. Evidence of the head of diplomacy is not required. It is enough for her to pick up what started the start-up from France and Britain. After all, they sing in unison.

Syrian opposition groovy western song picked up:

“In response to the massacre in Hula, thousands of Syrians staged protests in different cities of the country. Opposition representatives appealed to the international community to create a united front against Bashar Assad and attack the positions of regular troops from the air.

The Syrian Free Army, consisting of soldiers and officers who deserted from the country's armed forces, announced it was withdrawing from the peace agreement imposed by the UN and United Nations special envoy Kofi Annan: the rebels claim that neither the UN nor the observers interfere in what is happening does not force Asad to abide by the terms of the agreement, making the document absolutely useless. ”

Here is a quote from statements "Free Syrian Army": "We declare that until the UN Security Council takes urgent decisions to protect civilians, let the Annan plan fly to hell."

Such a “cool” statement was made after General Mustafa Ahmed Al-Sheikh, head of the military council of the SSA, called on the international community to arrange military intervention in the Syrian conflict. after the massacre of citizens by the military in the city of Hula. In addition to the international attack, which the oppositionists, nurtured and fed by the West, as well as Western satellites from the east, and various "friends" of the Syrian people, are just waiting, the general called on all armed oppositionists to launch full-scale military operations against the Assad regime.

At the UN, having heard the fiery speeches of the SSA fighters, they became alarmed - and stood up, if not in the first row in the choir, then in the second. On Saturday, Ban Ki-moon and his associate Kofi Annan issued a statement. Quote: “This monstrous and brutal crime due to indiscriminate and disproportionate use of force is a blatant violation of international law and the obligations of the Syrian government to stop the use of heavy weapons in populated centers, not to resort to violence in any form.”

The League of Arab States (LAS), which is temporarily chaired by Kuwait, a great friend of the West, decided to meet emergency meeting - In order to immediately discuss the situation in Syria, in which the dictator Asad still reigns.

Not in unison choir and without the United States. Interfax reports that, according to US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, UN observers confirmed the deaths of dozens of men, women and children - as a result of the shelling involving artillery and tanks of the Syrian army. Clinton said: “Those who committed this atrocity must be discovered and punished. The United States and the world community will work to increase the pressure on Bashar Assad and his associates, whose power based on murder and fear must come to an end. ”

H. Clinton was afraid to blame directly the army of Assad. The American habit of fearing any lawsuits, including for libel, probably has an effect. Therefore, the Secretary of State's expressions are so cautious: then she will say about “they confirmed the death”, then she will hint at “those who committed this atrocity”. Not being sure that the Syrian military is responsible for the murder of children and adults, Clinton nevertheless plans to "work to increase the pressure on Bashar al-Assad." His "power, based on murder and fear, must come to an end." Typical method of manipulation of consciousness. The listener of the Secretary of State’s speech, yawning in the middle, will add a beginning to the end and will get a short conclusion: Assad is to blame for everything. Down with Assad, freedom to the tortured people of Syria!

Hillary Clinton singing along Erin Pelton is the official representative of the National Security Council at the White House. She called the shelling of the Syrian city of Hula a meanness. She also saidthat the events in the Hula "serve as a living confirmation of the illegitimacy of the current regime." As a result, the US administration placed responsibility for the killing of civilians on Syrian President Assad.

“Responsibility for the murder” is another matter. Subtly played in the West in political games. Assad is difficult to argue with experienced propagandists-choristers. Responsibility for the murder is not the same as murder. After all, you can always say that the president is responsible for everything that happens in his country. This is how the denigration of a political figure, against which terrorism has rallied everything, is happening - the language does not turn to say: civilized, - the world, from the States to Kuwait, from Kuwait to Paris.

Since Russia is considered a friend of Syria, the British Foreign Secretary went on a visit to Moscow on Sunday. Before you fly out, William Hague wrote on Twitter that he is going to discuss the Syrian situation with his colleague Sergey Lavrov.

While the West blames President Assad for the troubles of the Syrian people, “in unison” evading the direct accusation of the government army of mass killings, terrorists are rampant in Syria - alas, not without the support of the West: financial, technical and informational. This "inside out" of the Syrian war, the Western media cover very reluctantly. The soldiers and officers of the government army will instantly turn into the country's liberators from international terrorism, start Western politicians calling Bashar al-Assad’s opponents not extremists, but insurgents.

Ii. Shoulder to shoulder with al-Qaeda fighters

As the SANAAl-Qaeda armed terrorist group members burned down several houses in the villages of Ash-Shumariya and Tel-Doo (Homs province), brutally killing members of two families, including children.

On May 26, in the village of Mu Hassan, militants kidnapped employees of the Al-Furat oil company, who were driving to a minibus, to work in a minibus, then hiding in an unknown direction. Syrian intelligence agencies are doing everything possible to find and save the abductees.

On the same day, terrorists robbed a branch of an agricultural bank in the city of Abu Kamal, kidnapping 12 million Syrian pounds and several bank stamps.

Syrian secret services discovered a warehouse with a large number of explosives and gas cylinders, as well as a workshop for the manufacture of explosive devices on a plantation in the suburbs of Homs.

Finally, in the village of Tel-Doo in the province of Homs, an armed group burned down and blew up several houses. As reported, the militants were pursuing the goal of placing the responsibility for these crimes on the Syrian army. The criminals burned the National Hospital, the police station and the entire crop of crops obtained by local farmers.

Let's repeat the words of Hillary Clinton: "Those who committed this atrocity must be discovered and punished." Isn't it true, now they are getting another color?

"Vesti" note that Syrian official sources, including SANA, have not yet responded to the tragic events near Homs. However, commentators in Damascus described the latest campaign raised by the Western media as “hysterical,” full of “lies and slander”, harassing the Syrian government, launched to discredit it.

It should be noted here that the Syrian opposition, by the way, are doing one thing - that is, fighting against the people of Syria - shoulder to shoulder with the al-Qaeda fighters, are unhappy that the West does not support them enough and gives little money. Some of the opposition fighters have already agreed that the West ... supports Assad, and calls them fighters extremists. Quote from "BBC":

“People are tired of journalists,” says Myledin Zane, Lieutenant Colonel of the Free Army of Syria. “We are not extremists, although you are trying to portray us in this light.”

He adds bitterly: “In my opinion, the West still supports the regime. The United States could expel the authorities from the country in a week, but they do not want democracy for us, I don’t even know why. They want the country to collapse. ”

Myledin Zane is cunning. The United States does not support the "regime", but is cautious with funding and supply. Who knows about American funding and equipment directed to Syria?

Now is not the time for the US to openly finance and arm al-Qaeda, as it was in the eighties. These times ended after bin Laden disassociated himself from America, declaring her an enemy. But now the current leader of al-Qaida, Ayman al-Zawahiri, is achieving the same goal as America: overthrowing Bashar al-Assad. This identical goal is expressed, however, it is different: the United States is fighting for democracy, and the lover of the “Arab spring” Zawahiri declared Assad jihad. Words are words, and the interests of the White House and Al-Qaida, as in the distant Afghan past, have brilliantly merged.

Three months ago, Hillary Clinton warned: “In Libya, the opposition controlled the (defined) territory, kept Benghazi. She had a face - people who went to diplomatic interaction (with the outside world) and fighters. We could actually meet with them, consider them, ask them sharp questions. And when (Ayman), al-Zawahiri from Al-Qaida, stands in support of the Syrian opposition, you should ask yourself who we are arming if we decide to supply weaponshow we will transfer these weapons, what benefit automatic (small) weapons will give against artillery and tanks. ”

After less than a month and a half, the official representative of the US State Department Victoria Nuland saidthat in a few months America sent various telecommunications equipment to Syria — with the goal of “helping the opposition to communicate with each other and with the outside world, help better organize and possess information about the situation in order to avoid attacks from the (ruling) regime”. Mrs. Nuland, without flinching a single muscle of the face, noted: “We will not publicly talk about ... what kind of equipment means where it is being transferred ... We did not designate the issue in dollars publicly. There are a number of reasons for this. ”

So, the USA has been helping the oppositionists with communication equipment for several months, not to mention millions of dollars. Arms openly help fear: after all, accused of "double standards." They will say, they will surely say, especially in Russia and Syria, that the United States and Al-Qaeda are one. And do not want to give a trump card in the hands of "enemies."

В April article about Syria I wrote: “... to the plan of Kofi Annan, which was a convenient reason for provocations, a sequel was invented long ago. It seems that we are talking only about the details of the joint operation: the scenario in the rough is already ready, and you need to make a casting and figure out who will play what role. After all, all the opponents of Assad have already realized that the Syrian army is strong enough to withstand weak and divided opposition - therefore, we need stronger or more exhausting means. ”

The name of this sequel is terror. Rebels and Al-Qaeda, supported by the monarchies of the Persian Gulf and the West, fighting side by side for one thing in common with the “choir members” from Washington, Paris and London. They are fighting for Syria to become Libya.

And Hillary Clinton was not in vain afraid of the fact that the United States might seem alike Qaeda to someone. 25 May "BBC" sadly remarked: "One of the paradoxes of the Syrian uprising is that both the United States and Al-Qaeda take the same position with regard to the Syrian uprising: both parties want the regime to be overthrown."

Of course, the correspondent of "BBC" softened his thought, saying about the "paradox". But with the same success, the paradox may seem that the USA has been stubbornly turning to the “cold war” in recent years, trying to regain the almost lost status of the world hegemon. To strengthen their shaky hegemony, they are willing to cooperate with anyone. And with Al-Qaeda, a product of the CIA, there is more. It takes only two or three months to brainwash the world democratic population so that it can learn: when al-Qaeda ran the freaking bin Laden, it was bad; when az-Zawahiri arrived there, over time, he managed to make it happen that this powerful liberation organization, stimulating the “Arab spring”, began to serve in the name of the bright goal of building a democracy of the Jefferson model in all countries of the Middle East and Africa.

Already even on "Radio Liberty", the famous mouthpiece of democracy, cites opinions on the hand of al-Qaeda:

“The fact that the main responsibility for the bloodshed lies with the government in Damascus, since it initiated attacks on opponents, has been noted repeatedly. At the same time, Assad and his supporters in Moscow justify the attacks as anti-terrorist actions. Is it fair? Hudson’s Institute Expert Richard Weitz believes:

“We know that among those who are fighting the Assad regime are Sunni extremists associated with al-Qaeda.” The explosions that took place in the cities with a large number of victims are, apparently, their handiwork. These are real terrorists attacking unarmed civilians ... ”

Other observers in the West are already seriously afraid that after the overthrow of Assad (in Europe and the United States, it is customary to believe in his overthrow), al-Qaeda will come to power in Syria. For example, thinks so the correspondent of the French "Le Figaro" Georges Malbruneau.

Jihadist militants, according to a French journalist, consider Syria a “laboratory” for their terrorist experiments. “For them, there can be no question of observance of the Annan plan, on the contrary, with their attacks they want to show the population tired of the impotence of the international community that they are the sworn enemies of the regime. Undermining cars filled with explosives, they increase the influx of recruits from abroad and guarantee the flow of new funds. ”

Quote:

“There is already an established network of financing for the Syrian jihad, the center of which is Tripoli. The network exists thanks to charitable associations of the Gulf countries, in particular, Charity Eid, controlled by Saudi Safr al-Hawali, Kuwaiti Walid Tabatabai and Qatari Abdel Rahman Nuaimi. There is no shortage of money. <…> Sometimes Lebanese envoys from the Persian Gulf countries transfer money to the Syrian Salafists directly to Tripoli, sometimes local intermediaries provide logistics.

“Concerned by these trends, some opposition allies are beginning to weigh the jihadist risk. For several months, US officials have warned of the dangers of the emergence of a “jihadist axis,” connecting Tripoli with the Iraqi region of Al-Anbar and passing through Syria, the publication states. “The revolution is taking a bad turn,” stresses a Western diplomat working in Damascus. - We can not pretend that we do not know. At first there was a statement by al-Zawahiri urging jihadists to go to Syria. Then there are the heads of American intelligence, James Clapper, who attributed to Al-Qaeda the majority of the terrorist acts committed in Syria since December. ” Now, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon is convinced that Al-Qaeda is behind the most sophisticated and deadly actions of the Syrian uprising, the newspaper writes. ”

But how does the Russian expert see this situation? D. Sedov:

“The plan for overthrowing the regime of Bashar Assad was finalized. It all started with information aggression. Then from the territory of Turkey, gangs of militants began to penetrate into Syria, sowing death in settlements, whose population was supported by the government. However, militants ’raids did not detonate popular indignation, and the mythical“ Free Army of Syria ”appeared on someone’s considerable money, currently counting 15 thousands of trained deserters and operating throughout the country. At the same time, as if on cue, in the cities of Homs and Hama, which were traditionally hostile to Damascus, well-armed detachments of local citizens, led by professional terrorists, appeared. An anti-government front has been formed, which the Syrian National Council, which consists of immigrants who do not hide their ties with ideological centers and NATO intelligence services, formally leads from abroad. In addition to Turkey and other NATO countries, the Gulf states play a special role in the financial and military-technical support of this motley army.

Then came Al-Nusra, an al-Qaeda Syrian subsidiary, which, by dramatically increasing the scale of violence, would make life unbearable for the population. Finally, the contours of the next act of the Syrian tragedy were outlined: a campaign of intimidation of the international community began, the goal of which is to identify the regime of Bashar al-Assad with the threat of the use of chemical weapons of mass destruction. ”

Thus, the al-Qaida jihad against Syria is completely identical in its first goal - the overthrow of Assad - the policy of the United States, which has repeatedly stated that Bashar Assad should leave. The objectives of the opposition at this stage also do not contradict the aspirations of az-Zavahiri. And it is very doubtful that the activities of Al-Qaeda would not be beneficial to world democrats, who are immediately attributed to the attack by the Assad army and gain points in this geopolitical game.

Iii. Russia: Three Views on the Syrian Crisis

First opinion: Russia has little to do with Syria, Russia is more important than relations with the West.

Last week стало известно: the Moscow missile cruiser will not go to the coast of Syria to patrol. The output of this Black Sea cruiser fleet in the Mediterranean was scheduled for June 1. At the headquarters of the Navy, they said that the decision to cancel is explained by "the peculiarities of the political situation."

Gumer Isaev, head of the St. Petersburg Center for the Study of the Middle East, recently told "Moskovsky Komsomol" (Irina Kuksenkova):

“Initially, it was clear that Russia on the Syrian issue would not use the full range of pressure methods (meaning including the military) and conduct offensive movements to defend Syria. And a vote in the UN Security Council and the imposition of the right of veto - this means only to passively reflexively passively. Sending our military contingent to defend the Assad regime is extremely unlikely, because no matter what, we are not going to spoil relations with the West because of Syria. Even despite the appropriate rhetoric of the authorities and anti-Americanism in society, for us, relations with America and the West are more important. And if they decide that Syria is doomed, it will. In general, Russia has seen a full failure in the Middle East strategy. And this is natural, it’s not a matter of specific personalities, but of a tendency. We have not done anything over the past 20 years, which at least seriously marked Russia in the region. ”

Opinion two: Russia will limit political support; Syria will not wait for economic aid from it.

The Syrian delegation headed by Finance Minister Mohammed al-Dzhlaylyati, as Alexander Reutov writes (Kommersant), proposed the Russian Federation to implement a number of large joint projects - from the export of agricultural products to the construction of a thermal power station in Syria and even a nuclear power plant. To participate in projects, Syria needs loans: after all, it is “sanctioned” by the West. But Russia is not in a hurry to conclude an agreement with Syria, bearing in mind the failed agreements with Libya, which resulted in financial losses due to the overthrow and death of Gaddafi. And many experts believe that Assad is left to rule Syria for no more than a year.

Quote:

“Now we can achieve very favorable conditions for the signing of new contracts or the renewal of existing ones,” Vladimir Isaev, a professor at the Institute of Asian and African Countries, explained to Kommersant. - Perhaps you should not now subscribe to huge projects. And pull a little bit before embarking on their implementation. ” However, other experts urge caution. "In the current environment, the risk of investment in Syria is critically high, if you don’t have the goal, of course, to write off any budget expenditures for the war," Elena Suponina, head of the Center for Asia and the Middle East at the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies, told Kommersant. She recalled that Damascus, even before the crisis, was not particularly solvent and faithful to its obligations. In 2005, the Russian Federation wrote off more than $ 10 billion of debt to Syria. In exchange, Damascus, among other things, promised on a tender-free basis to transfer a contract for the construction of the Tishrin CHP plant to Russian companies, but later it was received by the Indian company BHEL.

Third opinion: Syria will come out of the crisis itself, it does not need help.

RIA News" cites the words of the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, the Chairman of the Russian part of the permanent Russian-Syrian commission for trade, economic and scientific and technical cooperation Alexander Khloponin. He believes that the Syrian authorities will be able to find a way out of the situation in the country without outside interference.

Khloponin said at the 8 meeting of the permanent Russian-Syrian commission for trade, economic, scientific and technical cooperation: from the outside. We are absolutely convinced that the Syrian authorities are able to take all the necessary measures to quickly stabilize the situation on the basis of a course of reform and a broad dialogue with those forces in the opposition that reject the path of violence. ” RIA "Novosti" cites other words of A. Khloponin: "We are told that any recovery takes place through aggravation. We hope and are confident that Syria will emerge from this difficult situation with a renewed democratic state, and our bilateral cooperation will become even stronger. ”

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Bashar Assad has no doubt that Syria will come out of the crisis on its own. 24 May, taking Iran’s Minister of Communications Reza Takipur, he сказал: “Syria has managed to overcome the pressure and threats faced over the years, and it can emerge from this crisis thanks to the resilience of the people, their commitment to the idea of ​​unity and independence.”

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Yoshkin Kot
    Yoshkin Kot 28 May 2012 09: 00 New
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    provocation, in the spirit of "fighters for crap" is not the first time
    1. esaul
      esaul 28 May 2012 10: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Yoshkin Cat
      provocation, in the spirit of "fighters for crap" is not the first time

      Greetings, Cat. Okay, if the London fighters were spreading their language. They are the most, very, and "honest and fair, and gentlemanly" ... Sitting in a pie on the street, you can always see more clearly what is happening thousands of kilometers from foggy Albion.
      Here's what angered me ------------- Gumer Isaev, head of the St. Petersburg Center for the Study of the Middle East, -------------- I read further: ---- ---------- Professor of the Institute of Asian and African countries Vladimir Isaev explained to Kommersant. -------- I think- "Well, that's it, kabzdets, now the third brother will express his competent opinion with spells to leave Syria to be devoured. But - no - it has carried it ... In general, such opinions of such brothers remind rating agencies, which, by order of the minke whales, "lower" the unwanted ones.
      But in general, the situation in Syria is heating up and quite noticeable, and such white-tape forecasts will appear on the rise.
      1. YARY
        YARY 28 May 2012 10: 41 New
        +3
        Good day Valery drinks
        Bashar will cope with the problems in the country is a fact.
        And here is that camarilla that is around .... It somehow became quiet without mail from my friends from there. I do not like it. sad
        I hope that Syria (for the umpteenth time) will get a munch on the abomination of the sub-fence.
        1. esaul
          esaul 28 May 2012 10: 52 New
          +3
          YARY,
          Hello Andrew, buddy. I really hope that
          Quote: Ardent
          I hope that Syria (for the umpteenth time) will get a munch on the abomination of the sub-fence

          Here is a sense of people eat - a lot.
    2. DavidLinch2012
      DavidLinch2012 28 May 2012 10: 47 New
      0
      In conclusion, a few words should be said about Syria. In 1990, a decaying socialist bloc limited its economic assistance, and therefore, Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad began to draw closer to the West for pragmatic reasons. Indicators of this new course were a meeting with US President Bush in Geneva in November 1990 and support for the West Islamist-Zionist alliance in the war against Iraq. Even after the malevolent Saddam Hussein fired on Scud rockets in Israel, Syria said it would remain in the anti-Iraq coalition with Israel. Presumably, American submarines in the Mediterranean Sea launched Tomahawk missiles into Iraq through Syrian airspace. In total, Syria sent and placed under the command of the Allies 19.000 people, more than 50.000 people were stationed next to the Syrian-Iraqi border. Three weeks after the start of the bombing, Saddam Hussein, realizing that something needs to be done and tried to inflict a flank attack on coalition troops in northeastern Saudi Arabia, however, the Syrian military contingent was February 5, 1991. powerful artillery fire forced the Iraqis to retreat. Thus, the Syrians fought shoulder to shoulder with the Americans against the Iraqis ... After 12 years, Syria opposed American aggression, but that no longer mattered. An easy American walk to Baghdad in 2003 was made possible by the Desert Storm, which completely destroyed Iraq’s military and industrial potential. Now the secular state of Syria has become the main target of NATO-Islamic aggression. This is an inevitable retribution for the fact that Hafez al-Assad (father of the current Syrian leader Bashir al-Assad) made his country an accomplice in unleashing the Third World War.
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 28 May 2012 11: 21 New
        +3
        May 27, 2012
        Moscow - SANA

        The Russian Foreign Ministry urged to wait for the conclusions of the UN mission in connection with the massacre in the Syrian city of Al-Khul.

        Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov wrote in his microblog on Twitter: "The tragic events in Syria and the death of people deserve condemnation. However, we need to seriously understand the reasons for what happened. There is information that the nature of the wounds received by many of the victims is not a result of shelling. Let's wait for objective ones. evaluations of the UN mission ".

        Before the emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, First Deputy Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN Alexander Pankin said that the vast majority of civilians in the Syrian city of Al-Khulya did not die due to shelling, but became victims of a cold-blooded murder - they were executed or shot in the temple from a close distance, or his throat was cut.
        1. DavidLinch2012
          DavidLinch2012 28 May 2012 11: 43 New
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          The invasion of Iraq following the occupation of Afghanistan generated a huge amount of false myths and delusional allegations. These include the myth of the “crusade against Islam.” Say, if the occupation of Iraq, photos of the torture of prisoners in the Abu Ghraib prison, the massacre in Fallujah and the execution of Saddam Hussein caused protests in Islamic countries, accompanied by the burning of American flags and the cries of "Death to America!", Then it means the United The states of America are the enemy of the entire Muslim world. However, it is not. All Muslim countries that in 1990-1991 provided the Anglo-Saxons with their airfields, seaports, the Suez Canal, airspace and territory for the bombing and occupation of Iraq did the same in twelve years. The difference is that the accomplices of the Iraqi genocide in 2003 verbally condemned Anglo-American aggression, but actually received the same benefits as from the diabolical Desert Storm deal:

          - in the summer of 2003. after an order from Washington, Russian peacekeeping contingents were withdrawn from Bosnia and Kosovo. The Balkans came under the complete control of the Anglo-Saxon-Muslim Reich;

          - in September 2003 former US President Bill Clinton opened a “memorial to the victims of the Srebrenica genocide.” Each anniversary, July 11, Muslim leaders (Recep Tayyip Erdogan, etc.) make schizophrenic speeches near this memorial like “Srebrenica is a black spot on the conscience of Christian Europe”;

          - in March 2004 Albanian Muslims, with the complicity of the NATO occupiers, destroyed and burned the Orthodox temples that they hated in Kosovo-Metohija;

          - The Hague tribunals acquitted the Srebrenica executioner Nasser Oric and recognized the “events in Srebrenica” as “acts of genocide committed by members of the Republika Srpska Army”;

          - in February 2008 “Crusader” George W. Bush, in the person of Hashim Thachi, proclaimed the “independence” of Kosovo and received from the Muslim world a complete remission of sins for the “crusade against Iraq.”

          The actual massacre in the city of Fallujah, which the Qatari TV channel Al-Jazeera hastened to christen as a symbol of Iraqi resistance, in reality did not leave any mark in the Muslim collective memory, unlike the virtual massacre in Srebrenica. There is not a single memorial in El Falujda commemorating the people who died there. And there is something to remember. In November 2004, the U.S. Army carpet bombing and massive shelling turned this city into ruins. Occupants used forbidden cluster bombs and white phosphorus when poisoning El Fallujah, poison that burns flesh to the bone when it comes into contact with the skin. During the storming of every house in the city, the Americans killed civilians with small arms, and among the victims were old people, women, and children. Since the Fallujah massacre was widely covered by the Qatari Al Jazeera TV channel, this caused a wave of anger in the Arab world. The American leadership even had to explain to the representatives of the Arab countries the reasons for the American bitterness in Fallujah. But only seven years passed and the tragedy of Fallujah, and on a much larger scale, repeated in Sirte. NATO troops dropped cluster and vacuum bombs, ammunition with depleted uranium and white phosphorus on Muammar Gaddafi’s hometown. On October 20, 2011, NATO and oil monarchy mercenaries who entered the city organized a massacre of people from the Gaddafi tribe, and then hid their corpses in common graves. The attention of the world community from the genocide of an entire tribe was diverted by video recording of the murder of Gaddafi or his double. The reaction of the Arab-Muslim world to the events in Fallujah and Sirte is simply not comparable. Did any of the readers see mass protests in Muslim countries, which would condemn the genocide of the Libyan people, burned American flags and shouted “Death to America!”? Demonstrations like the ones that took place in 2003-2004? Nobody saw?! And no wonder.

          Another myth created after the occupation of Iraq in 2003 was the myth of the struggle of coalition forces against al-Qaeda terrorists. In fact, al-Qaeda militants rushing into Iraq after the fall of the Ba'athist regime hastened to fill a vacuum free of religious fanatics. Under Saddam Hussein, Iraq was a secular state in which Islamists were ruthlessly destroyed for the slightest reason and for no reason. By contrast, Iraqi Christians were treated favorably - they received assistance from the authorities with building materials for the construction of churches, not to mention the provision of land. Christians were ministers, generals, governors of the provinces, chiefs of special services of Saddam Hussein. Anglo-Saxon-Islamic occupation put an end to this peaceful coexistence. The newspapers published by the invaders, along with the glorification of the "freedom" brought by the Americans, called for the killing of the "infidels", but only from among the Iraqis. Numerous bombings in churches, abductions and murders, arson of temples and the threat of physical violence forced half a million Iraqi Christians to flee the country. Along the way, Sunni Islamists fulfilled their allied obligations to the Americans. Al-Qaeda men, having infiltrated the ranks of the Iraqi Resistance, completely disorganized and sabotaged its actions. Numerous terrorist attacks (in particular, the bombings at Shiite mosques in Najaf and Samarra), Al-Qaeda provoked a bloody civil war between Sunnis and Shiites. And in a civil war, talking about the organization of any serious resistance to the invaders is absolutely pointless. True, a small part of al-Qaeda Mujahideen got out of American-Saudi control and, together with Iraqi partisans, inflicted a number of sensitive attacks on coalition forces. But we are all grown-up people and we are well aware that if a dog suddenly bit its evil and bloodthirsty owner, this does not mean that this dog became a “man” or “atoned for its sins”. The number of Islamists who cease to obey the intelligence services of the United States, Turkey and the Gulf countries is relatively small and, accordingly, they cause little damage. For example, in October 2000, the destroyer Cole moored in the port of Aden was attacked by a motorboat stuffed with explosives. As a result of the blast, 17 sailors were killed, and in the middle part of the hull (from the port side) a hole of 12 by 12 meters was formed. Compensation was paid to the families of the victims, a patch was put on the destroyer and, in fact, this was limited to this. Another example: on March 2, 2011, Kosovo Albanian Arid Uka shot and killed two American soldiers at the Frankfurt Airport and injured two more (he couldn’t kill anymore, because, unfortunately, the gun misfired). The motive for shooting “unarmed soldiers in ordinary civilian clothes” was “revenge for the killing of Muslims by the Americans in Afghanistan”. The situation was repeated: the families of the victims were paid compensation, and everyone forgot about this case. The pin shots from the rebellious single Islamists are simply incomparable with the contribution that the Islamists in alliance with the West made to the destruction of Yugoslavia, the USSR and the secular states of the Arab East. When the “Arab spring” began, all the al-Qaeda militants who allegedly fought against the United States, dutifully like dogs, followed their NATO master from Iraq to Libya - cut off the heads of the soldiers of Gaddafi’s army. Surprisingly, immediately after the departure of al-Qaeda, the war in Iraq ended: on December 18, 2011, the last units of the American occupation forces left the country.
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 28 May 2012 15: 58 New
      +3
      There will be many such provocations !!
      Assad's only chance is to block the borders and establish tight control at the border !!
      Apparently he still can’t succeed !! Every day this situation multiplies the opposition !!
    4. DavidLynch
      DavidLynch 28 May 2012 18: 46 New
      0
      In 1990, the disintegrating socialist bloc limited Syria's economic assistance, and therefore Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad began to draw closer to the West for pragmatic reasons. Indicators of this new course were a meeting with US President Bush in Geneva in November 1990 and support for the West Islamist-Zionist alliance in the war against Iraq. Even after the malevolent Saddam Hussein fired on Scud rockets in Israel, Syria said it would remain in the anti-Iraq coalition with Israel. Presumably, American submarines in the Mediterranean Sea launched Tomahawk missiles into Iraq through Syrian airspace. In total, Syria sent and placed under the command of the Allies 19.000 people, more than 50.000 people were stationed next to the Syrian-Iraqi border. Three weeks after the start of the bombing, Saddam Hussein, realizing that something needs to be done and tried to inflict a flank attack on coalition forces in northeastern Saudi Arabia, however, the Syrian military contingent was February 5, 1991. powerful artillery fire forced the Iraqis to retreat. Thus, the Syrians fought shoulder to shoulder with the Americans against the Iraqis ... After 12 years, Syria opposed American aggression, but that no longer mattered. An easy American walk to Baghdad in 2003 was made possible by the Desert Storm, which completely destroyed Iraq’s military and industrial potential. Now the secular state of Syria has become the main target of NATO-Islamic aggression. This is an inevitable retribution for the fact that Hafez al-Assad (father of the current Syrian leader Bashir al-Assad) made his country an accomplice in unleashing the Third World War.
      1. 755962
        755962 29 May 2012 00: 39 New
        0
        Now is not the time for the US to openly finance and arm Al-Qaeda, as it was in the eighties.
        US authorities have only stepped up efforts to increase the influence of the Allies on what is happening and create a command structure among the rebels.

        Read more: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2012/05/16/981425.html
  2. Tersky
    Tersky 28 May 2012 09: 10 New
    +8
    Well, so it is understandable, "OBSERVatory" in Russian sounds in two ways, in my example it is shown how it sounds in relation to the great "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" after such a "meticulous" investigation by its employees of the incident in the city of Hula. So do not be surprised at the conclusions of such "democratic" laboratories, the geographical and legal location of which in the country tearing and throwing everything and everything for the sake of "freedoms and democracies" -England
    1. Норд
      Норд 28 May 2012 10: 39 New
      +2
      Eck democratically sausages them all. Even closet research does not help. Assad turned out to be too tough for the rotten teeth of the State Department and BBC. The trouble is just that ordinary Syrians are becoming victims of the struggle against "tyranny" and for the establishment of "true democracy". However, who and when in the West worried about it for real, and not for political purposes.
      Hypocrisy, fraud and outright lies are the instruments of the West in the Syrian drama.
  3. Ataturk
    Ataturk 28 May 2012 09: 16 New
    +9
    Here I look at the country of Syria and I feel sorry for everyone there. Even provocateurs.
    Do they think that after Assad will be tempered and there will be happiness in Syria? I say this is the traitors of their own people and country. An example was enough, Iraq before my eyes, what did this country turn into after Saddam was destroyed? Libya? Afghanistan? Although we comrades scolded the Afghan Mujahideen, but they had one big plus, they destroyed all the drugs. And with the advent of NATO, there are so many drugs grown and created, then 100 years is enough.

    Assad is sorry, all the dogs are waiting to attack him. Hmm.
    1. volcano
      volcano 28 May 2012 10: 23 New
      +4
      Welcome Ataturk. I am sure that they do not think anything, because all these revolutionaries and "friends of Syria" are not fighting for the idea and prosperity of the Syrians. They are fighting for the money of NATA and the USA. Therefore, they know for sure that this is, as they say, "business and nothing more."
      By the way, the same can be said about our "dissent". They, too, really don't give a damn about what comes after. It is important for them to push forward the locomotive of destabilization in Russia for Western money. If necessary, then with blood.
      Well, let Russia look at Syria. Let the people learn if they suddenly forget (about 17 years old) what this could lead to.
      1. Ataturk
        Ataturk 28 May 2012 10: 48 New
        +5
        Hello volkan. How are you?
        You are perfect right. These are traitors to the people and the homeland. Usually such masons, Saxons, NATO from ancient times also manipulate such. Unfortunately, there are too many wolves in the forest. This is scary.

        I myself am an Azerbaijani, for the first time in my life we ​​held a music festival. All Western ambassadors met with our opposition and instead of these "ours" to show the world our culture, our city, our country, they began to row. It is thanks to such bastards that countries are falling apart.

        Do you know what the trouble is?

        Quote: volkan
        Well, let Russia watch


        in this!

        All the hope of weak countries in Russia. Everyone should understand that under the slogan of democracy, the West destroys all countries who are in alliance with Russia. Only and only Russia can put an end to this.

        After they destroy all allies, they will begin to think about how to overwhelm Russia. It is clear that they will not be open. They would find a traitor like Gorbachev, and then, as in Ukraine, first they would cut strategic planes into pieces, then destroy the stockpiles of nuclear weapons, then liners and ships ... and that’s it.

        It has already been so. I really want Russia to wake up. We will all unite, first we will solve internal problems. Then united, we will decide the external. Russia is a strong country, but with all the former countries of the union, it could become even stronger.

        So you need to think and not much time. The fact that Russia keeps the CIS countries on a short leash is not good. We see the result.
        We must honestly begin to think and build relationships. Until it's not too late!
        1. volcano
          volcano 28 May 2012 12: 45 New
          0
          I absolutely agree with you. Maybe I’ll say a little pathetic, but it’s Russia, due to its geographical location, the adoption of faith (Orthodoxy still stands apart from Catalism, and even from Islam and Buddhism, even more so), traditions of tolerance for everyone and respect for other people's opinions, that can and should become a model for humanity, the supreme judge to whom countries will turn for justice, an example for other nations.
          Unfortunately, this fact was recognized by forces unfriendly to us much earlier than We. Therefore, they are making every effort to prevent Russia from reaching the summit of Mankind, which only our country can climb without using threats, weapons and other vile tricks, BUT gaining respect and unconditional authority in the world, giving humanity a new hope.
  4. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 28 May 2012 09: 33 New
    +6
    Well, where are those yesterday's who shouted in their posts, watch the video, Assad is a beast, where are you all. Probably listening to another "truth" from democracy. That's right, the West speaks only the truth, and the Russians only lie. Seropogonny, as licked yesterday west-delicious. Savor.
    1. Ataturk
      Ataturk 28 May 2012 10: 52 New
      +2
      Hi colleague. How are you? Assad number 1. Iran number 2. I am worried about one question, who is number 3. So long as all this has not happened, Russia needs to think and very well what to do. You just need to understand 2 things.

      NATO and the USA are conducting a real crusade.
      1. Libya - Islam
      2. Syria - Islam
      3. Iraq - Islam
      4. Afghanistan - Islam.

      True, they don’t talk about it, but it is. If they love shit so much why don't they build in Cuba?

      But interesting in another. All countries whom NATO overwhelms are allies or friends of Russia.

      UNDER list 5, although this conflict had happened earlier, it was Yugoslavia.
      So this is my friend.
      1. DavidLinch2012
        DavidLinch2012 28 May 2012 11: 08 New
        -2
        Also, I ask you to pay attention to the respected Ataturk that Muslims actively support the West in the war, as you say with Islam.
        1) Saudi Arabia - Islam
        2) Qatar - Islam
        3) Turkey - Islam

        So, Azerbaijan may well become number 3.
        1. Ataturk
          Ataturk 28 May 2012 11: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: DavidLinch2012

          Also, I ask you to pay attention to the respected Ataturk that Muslims actively support the West in the war, as you say with Islam.
          1) Saudi Arabia - Islam
          2) Qatar - Islam
          3) Turkey - Islam

          So, Azerbaijan may well become number 3.


          Listen Divid, are you throwing a stone in the Azerbaijani garden again? You know, no matter what, but like you, we certainly won’t become.

          Do you know why Azerbaijan became an ally of Turkey? Not because they focus on the West or on something else, because it was they who saved our sovereignty from your betrayal!

          Turkey in all arenas supports Azerbaijan, not only in words as they do, but in practice. Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries, OIC countries - they support us in the Karabakh issue. Not just in words! So why should we spit in their direction?

          Azerbaijan, there is one problem, it is YOU. Who helps us in this matter, we will be grateful. Not just in words.

          The question is different. And whose allies are you? France? Argentina? USA? mind you I didn’t write about Russia AND YOU KNOW why.

          Only I wonder when you stop faking your Russian friendship. Since history has shown that you have terrified Russia more than once.

          Do you want a date I’ll say for exactly who and how and where?
          1. DavidLinch2012
            DavidLinch2012 28 May 2012 11: 53 New
            -2
            Lobster.
            1) I wrote that this is not a "crusade". Muslims support Western countries in the fight against Muslims. For me, this is "mutual responsibility".
            see above
            2) I did not throw stones towards Azerbaijan. You support Turkey (and therefore the West) in aggression against Syria and Iran.
            You have oil and no democracy - and this is a dangerous combination in our time.
            How do you not understand that we also hope that Aliyev will be your president as long as possible. As long as you export oil and gas, there will be no military operations in Karabakh, the pipes pass too close.
            3) Do you know this phrase "Russia has no allies - except for the army and navy"
            So it is with Armenia. Our ally is only our army.
            We have a mutually beneficial partnership with the Russian Federation. Over the more than 300-year history of our relationship, "fire, water and copper pipes" have already passed. So nobody harbors illusions.
            The Russians know what the Armenians are capable of - it suits them.
            The Armenians know what the Russians are capable of - this suits them too.
            And therefore, as if you and others would not like it, the union of the Russian Federation and Armenia did not form yesterday and end not tomorrow.
            1. Ataturk
              Ataturk 28 May 2012 12: 26 New
              +2
              Quote: DavidLinch2012
              1) I wrote that this is not a "crusade". Muslims support Western countries in the fight against Muslims. For me, this is "mutual responsibility".
              see above


              What Muslims supported the West in the attack on Afghanistan, Libya?

              Quote: DavidLinch2012
              2) I did not throw stones towards Azerbaijan. You support Turkey (and therefore the West) in aggression against Syria and Iran.
              You have oil and no democracy - and this is a dangerous combination in our time.
              How do you not understand that we also hope that Aliyev will be your president as long as possible. As long as you export oil and gas, there will be no military operations in Karabakh, the pipes pass too close.

              You are wrong David. We do not support the West. If you don’t know, we set an ultimatum to the WEST, or they scum keep their word and do what they wrote about 4 UN Resolutions and others, or we change our focus on always and not see them with oil as our ears. Including gas.

              You are right that if there is oil then there is no democracy. I agree with that. So the west thinks. But we do not care about them. I assure you.

              Regarding Aliyev, I’ll tell you directly, he does not want to be in power. His entourage asks to stay.

              Regarding Karabakh, yes, you are partly right, the whole world is pressing on us so that there is no war. But believe Azerbaijan is not a country with whom you can dictate, if we decide to send, we will send. Regarding Karabakh, David has only 40 billion foreign exchange reserves in Azerbaijan. For a small country, this is a good figure. 60% of GDP, in 2012 to this day, is not the oil sector. We are reducing dependence on oil. Azerbaijan is able to wage war for a long time and there is NO Karabakh. This is our plus and take into account.

              Quote: DavidLinch2012
              3) Do you know this phrase "Russia has no allies - except for the army and navy"

              +1

              Quote: DavidLinch2012
              We have a mutually beneficial partnership with the Russian Federation.

              You see, David, our dialogue is coming out. You're right! I agree. Only if in honor, Armenia is not very happy with the state of this partnership. Do you agree?

              Quote: DavidLinch2012
              Over the more than 300-year history of our relationship, "fire, water and copper pipes" have already passed. So nobody harbors illusions.
              The Russians know what the Armenians are capable of, which suits them.


              From and to agree. You are a plus. Only everyone has their own truth.

              Quote: DavidLinch2012
              The Armenians know what the Russians are capable of - this suits them too.

              David, I start to like you. What's the matter? YOU ONLY WRITE THE TRUTH)))))))))

              Quote: DavidLinch2012
              And therefore, as if you and others would not like it, the union of the Russian Federation and Armenia did not form yesterday and end not tomorrow.

              Here I would argue. It is not known when this will end, but this partnership will end and not the union, it is 100%
              1. DavidLinch2012
                DavidLinch2012 28 May 2012 12: 51 New
                -2
                1) Yes, everyone who gave the West the opportunity in 1991 to start a war in the Gulf.
                In Libya, Qatar and the Saudis worked side by side with the SAS and the French.

                2) Do you support Turkey? Or do you not know that the Turks are in charge of the "Friends of Syria" alliance, placing militants on their land, organizing the smuggling of weapons to Syria? Those. play one game with the West.
                Those. You are also in the subject. It is enough to read, with what joy you were the first to publish the information that uranium enriched up to 27% was found in Iran.
                As for oil and gas, you may have forgotten what percentage of participation in your projects, for example, with BP. If something happens to their oil flowing through your pipes, then "the sky will seem like a sheepskin" to you.
                We also ask Ilham not to leave)). As long as he is in power, we have nothing to fear. All these purchases of weapons and bellicose statements are designed for "intra-Azerbaijani" consumption.

                3) As regards partnership with the Russian Federation, you should not think that Armenia is unhappy.
                At least about Turechen-carrion head does not hurt)))

                4) You're an intelligent fellow. If for 300 years it did not end, and there everything was betrayal and patriotism, then another 300 will easily stand idle. As they say, there is nothing more permanent than temporary.
                1. Ataturk
                  Ataturk 28 May 2012 13: 22 New
                  +2
                  Quote: DavidLinch2012
                  2) Do you support Turkey? Or do you not know that the Turks are in charge of the "Friends of Syria" alliance, placing militants on their land, organizing the smuggling of weapons to Syria? Those. play one game with the West.


                  You don’t understand our union. Our union is not as a state but as a cultural relation.

                  Quote: DavidLinch2012
                  It is enough to read, with what joy you were the first to publish the information that uranium enriched up to 27% was found in Iran.


                  And why should I respect the rights of Iran? Give me at least 1 reason and I will give you 10 reasons why you can directly say that they are our enemies.

                  Quote: DavidLinch2012
                  If something happens to their oil flowing through your pipes, then "the sky will seem like a sheepskin" to you.


                  Do not exaggerate the significance of BP.

                  Quote: DavidLinch2012
                  We also ask Ilham not to leave)). As long as he is in power, we have nothing to fear. All these purchases of weapons and bellicose statements are designed for "intra-Azerbaijani" consumption.


                  I'm glad you think so. Sabotage and sniper attacks are also aimed at the Azerbaijani public.?!

                  Buying military equipment, decorating the city, strengthening the economy, is this also for the public of Azerbaijan ?!

                  Quote: DavidLinch2012
                  3) As regards partnership with the Russian Federation, you should not think that Armenia is unhappy.


                  Armenia or Armenians? Can you show what Western Armenians say and write about Russia?
                  Or maybe you can show what the Armenians shouted during the parade when the Russian tanks were passing?
                  Or show you what the Armenians write about the base of Gyumri, especially the fact that they gave a lease for 50 years?
                  Or maybe you can show how the Armenians call Russia and Russian? And there is not an isolated case. So do not be cunning. Once I started telling the truth, so go on to the end.

                  Or show me how you screamed RAISA VERNI BRILLIANT (Raisa Gorbachev)

                  Or maybe you can list what you did in Russia, and what officials were killed, RUSSIAN, so that they would fulfill the interests of Russia.

                  Or will you show an article how weapons were hidden in your churches and how the church and the Dashnaks of the Russians killed and swore to hang their heads in the center of TIFLIS?

                  Or show you the trial of the Armenians? Which was arranged by the Russian tsar?

                  DO NOT SICK ABOUT FELLOWSHIP.

                  You use them, and they use you. There is no brotherhood. There is a partnership as you indicated.

                  Quote: DavidLinch2012
                  At least about Turechen-carrion head does not hurt)))

                  Don't be so grateful. If you hate them so much, what do your fellow tribesmen live there? Moonlighting? Even women of ancient profession decided to receive money from the Turks rather than from fraternal Russia or the West.

                  Quote: DavidLinch2012
                  4) You're an intelligent fellow. If for 300 years it did not end, and there everything was betrayal and patriotism, then another 300 will easily stand idle. As they say, there is nothing more permanent than temporary.

                  You yourself are small. If you would marry at the time, your age I would already have a son.

                  Quote: DavidLinch2012
                  If for 300 years it did not end, and there everything was betrayal and patriotism, then another 300 will easily stand idle.

                  For 300 years, every TsAR of RUSSIA, even the daughter of PETRA, has been punished.
                  When you said to Khrushev, the Armenians from Karabakh want to unite with the Armenians from Armenia, to which Khrushchev said there are no problems, how many buses should be sent to Karabakh? After that, you were silent for a long time.
                  The penultimate Russian Tsar issued an order to close all parish Armenian schools, churches, all Armenians from the state. service fire.

                  So, in this "FRIENDSHIP" not everything is smooth. If everything were going smoothly, then Russia would not be selling weapons to Azerbaijan, which will probably be used against you.

                  Or show you how your politicians and experts and just a commoner said about Russia and Russians when a rumor came out that Russia wants to sell the S-300 ???????????

                  Or maybe show how the Armenians wrote to the Armenians from Krasnodar to raise a riot about the separation of Armavir from Russia, Sochi and other cities?

                  don't cunning david. Once started a honest conversation, continue.
                  1. zevs379
                    zevs379 28 May 2012 13: 39 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Ataturk
                    Armenia or Armenians? Can you show what Western Armenians say and write about Russia? Or maybe you can show what the Armenians shouted during the parade when the Russian tanks were passing?





                    Uv Ataturk! I was always calm towards the Armenians, I thought that they like all the nations of the former union love / dislike the Russians 50/50. Some kind of good cunning. But climbed on theirs forum and oh ate! After what they write about us, I can not treat them as before. Of 50, only one lady is adequate to us. Especially I do not give the name of this forum. Who of the Russians will find it interesting themselves.
                    So it seems you are right about the Armenians! VERY SORRY crying
                    1. Ataturk
                      Ataturk 28 May 2012 14: 24 New
                      +3
                      Hello zevs379.
                      These are forums, in comparison with what Kocharyan and Serge their government says, it will seem angelic to you.
                      Robert Kocharian said that Russians are not intellectual people. They are created to plow and the Armenians should be at their head. Armenians are created for fine work, edit !!!!

                      I WILL FIND YOU AND SURE TO SHOW.

                      Please do not insult them, because I do not want to be punished for this. Alas, the rules. Who are they, I will give you a link, look and everything will be clear to you.

                      BTW REMOVED Russian journalists; both Russian and, most importantly, Armenian scientists participated in this film. By the way, which DASHNAKI threaten every day! I will contact you and send you this project. You will learn a lot.

                      Regards Omar
                  2. DavidLinch2012
                    DavidLinch2012 28 May 2012 13: 58 New
                    -2
                    Let's continue.

                    1) You have an alliance with Turkey, because there is no such "Azerbaijani nation". You are Turks who do not live in Turkey. Hence all the unions. And cultural, and state and others.

                    2) Your rejection of Iran harnesses you in one chariot with the West. Those. You do not deny that the plans of the USA, Israel, the Monarchies and Turkey are like balm for your soul. Only the ayatols will severely punish all who are deemed involved. And as the Persians take revenge, I think you do not need to tell.

                    3) Do not minimize the importance of BP. MI-5 and MI-6 are their security service.
                    Begin to bustle, they will quickly wake up both Talysh and Lezghins. So, do not rush.

                    4) You know this saying "By their deeds, you will recognize them."
                    Armenians can say whatever they want, but let me remind you again. Air defense and air defense units deployed in Armenia are monitoring the territory of a potential enemy of the Russian Federation. The "Armenia" FSB border department is engaged in reconnaissance measures from the territory of the Republic of Armenia against a potential enemy of the Russian Federation. I understand your petty attempts to open everyone's eyes here, but believe me, no one harbors illusions.
                    By the way, is there any evidence about the diamond? I just know the story of how Heydar gave the diamond to Brezhnev, and how Karen Demirchan did not come to the airport to meet Galina Brezhnev. As for Gorbach - I hear for the first time.
                    By the way, so you know. Tsarist Russia, under the leadership of Nicholas II, was the main ascetic of the Armenian uprising in the Ottoman Empire, for which the Young Turks decided to destroy all Armenians. And "grandfather Lenin" in 1920 and 1921 gave half of Armenia within the borders of 1914 to the Turks within the framework of the Karsky and Moscow treaties. Why adore him for that?
                    Gorbach fully supported Vezirov and Polyanichko, arguing that no one drove the Armenians out of the historical land in Operation Ring.
                    However, note, despite good relations with the United States, the Russian base in Armenia, not the American one.

                    And about age, how old are you? Given that you are a major, you are hardly more than forty.
                    1. Ataturk
                      Ataturk 28 May 2012 14: 20 New
                      +4
                      Quote: DavidLinch2012
                      1) You have an alliance with Turkey, because there is no such "Azerbaijani nation". You are Turks who do not live in Turkey. Hence all the unions. And cultural, and state and others.


                      We are the same Azerbaijanis, as you KhAI became Armenians. Do you understand where I'm driving. This is by the way your historians say.

                      Quote: DavidLinch2012
                      2) Your rejection of Iran harnesses you in one chariot with the West. Those. You do not deny that the plans of the USA, Israel, the Monarchies and Turkey are like balm for your soul. Only the ayatols will severely punish all who are deemed involved. And as the Persians take revenge, I think you do not need to tell.


                      David, we hated the Persians even before Armenia existed. And about the balm, I will tell you this. Let Iran sit where it is and not touch us. We spend EUROVISION or something, it's not their dog business. Let them think about themselves and have nothing to poke their Persian noses into a foreign state.

                      HOW IT SAY ... WHO SOMETIMES TO PUT TO ANOTHER'S PIT, SAME THERE AND GETS HERE.



                      Quote: DavidLinch2012
                      And as the Persians take revenge, I think you do not need to tell.

                      Believe me, their holidays on the street have already ended !!!

                      Quote: DavidLinch2012
                      Begin to bustle, they will quickly wake up both Talysh and Lezghins. So, do not rush.


                      I once read your posts, and one Talysh was sitting next to him, and one LIZGIN officer, please do not make me say that they were handed to you.

                      Quote: DavidLinch2012
                      Armenians can say anything

                      Well, I already know that))))))

                      Quote: DavidLinch2012
                      Air defense and air defense units deployed in Armenia are monitoring the territory of a potential enemy of the Russian Federation. The "Armenia" FSB border department is engaged in reconnaissance measures from the territory of the Republic of Armenia against a potential enemy of the Russian Federation. I understand your petty attempts to open everyone's eyes here, but believe me, no one harbors illusions.

                      David, this is all true, but this is not because the Armenians want, but because Russia wants and you simply have NO choice! Since an independent state called ARMENIA simply does not exist.

                      Quote: DavidLinch2012
                      By the way, is there any evidence about the diamond?

                      David David))))))))))))



                      If you want posters of Armenian hysteria, when Gorbachev did not live up to the hopes of the Armenians, as they shouted, RAISA WILL RETURN THE DIAMOND, I will also show. By the way, this is a high site. Yours also recognize)))))

                      BECAUSE the poor secretary of Gorbachev made excuses that all that is given to the first lady goes to some kind of depository of the state.

                      Quote: DavidLinch2012
                      And about age, how old are you? Given that you are a major, you are hardly more than forty.


                      Absolutely right! And how much respectable to you?

                      By the way, I will write to you in the evening about what you got up to with the Russian Empire and how tsars and what they did. There is a lot to do now. I will definitely write about the years and the Dads, when and what you did and what Russia did to you in response, and you will see that there are many black spots in the "High-Russian friendship"!
                      1. DavidLinch2012
                        DavidLinch2012 28 May 2012 14: 46 New
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                        1) If you are talking about Caucasian Albania, the descendants of which Z. Bunyatov began to call you in his works based on plagiarism, then answer, why, since the occupation of Nakhichevan, you managed to destroy more than 25000 Christian monuments there, so to speak of "Albanian heritage"?

                        2) The fact that you hate the Persians is no secret to anyone. You have this mutual. But how does the Russian Federation relate to the fact that Azerbaijan is actively involved in preparing what the Russian Federation seeks to avoid? It turns out my friend of my enemy is my enemy!

                        3) About the Persian holidays - I say "Gop" only when I jump over. Not earlier.

                        4) Your colleagues Talysh and Lezghins, who receive salaries from the hands of the Aliyev regime, cannot say anything else. Or did Huseynov not withdraw "his" troops from the front line in order to extinguish the Talysh in 1993? Or did you not accuse the Lezgins in 1994 of the terrorist attack organized by you in the Baku metro?

                        5) You are wrong. The RF is in Armenia only because the Armenians want it. This is a mutually beneficial cooperation. And so it will continue. As for writing on the forums, read the Russian forums regarding Ukraine's arms sales to Georgia. The Armenians, by the way, just like the Russian Federation, with tension perceives the fuss around Iran and Syria. So, we are friends with the Russians against the same problems. And whoever, whatever, said, the case speaks to the contrary. Lobster. We are not looking for someone else's favor, for "softness and fluffiness". We cooperate mutually.

                        6) As for the diamond for Raisa, I actually do not have such information. I honestly can't understand: So what? Well presented, well asked back? It's good? Or is it bad?

                        7) To me, the most respectable - 31.

                        As for the Russia-Armenia relationship, I already wrote to you, fire and water and copper pipes passed. The vector remains stable.

                        Just as stable is the vector of confrontation between Turkey (Azerbaijan-Turkey) and the Russian Federation.

                        "The mice cried, injected, but continued to eat the cactus"
                      2. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 28 May 2012 15: 34 New
                        +4
                        Quote: DavidLinch2012
                        why since the occupation of Nakhichevan

                        Azerbaijanis occupied Nakhchivan? His own land? Do you think what you say Was, has been and will be an Azerbaijani city.

                        Quote: DavidLinch2012
                        But how does the Russian Federation relate to the fact that Azerbaijan is actively involved in preparing what the Russian Federation seeks to avoid? It turns out my friend of my enemy is my enemy!

                        Honestly, I didn’t understand what you mean. With the Russian Federation, we are more than close than with Iran. One thing connects us with Iran, they occupied our lands. And if you mean that Iran is a tricky country for Russia, then they are the same friends as my ballerina.

                        It’s you ARMENIANS, you speak Russian about the Christian brotherhood and kiss the Persians.
                        You are the Armenians talking about hostility with Turkey, but at the same time eating Turkish bread. So everything is ok.

                        Quote: DavidLinch2012
                        Your colleagues, Talyshs and Lezghins, who receive their salaries from the hands of the Aliyev regime, cannot say anything else.

                        What should they say?

                        David, you don’t understand one thing, THAT YOU ARE WRITING WHERE YOU HAVE EARRING AND LEZGINS WILL REQUIRE A PART OF THE EARTH FROM AZERBAIJAN AND WILL APPLY INDEPENDENCE FROM AZERBAIJAN AND THEREFORE YOU DO NOT HAVE TO STOP. But it means that they are. WHAT NOW WHO WILL URINE PUMP IN THE HEAD NEED TO HAND OUT INDEPENDENCE? YOU EXACTLY THE SAME IN RUSSIA ASK THE KRASNODAR REGION? THAT'S WHY YOU SO SCREAM FOR THE WHOLE WORLD, ABOUT THE INDEPENDENCE OF JAVAHETI, KARABAKH, MOUNTAINS OF AGRIGADES AND SO FURTHER. YOU ARE THE SOURCES OF TRAITORS. I VERY HOPE THAT THIS POST IS MY AND YOU WILL READ ALL WHO PARTICIPATE IN THIS FORUM.

                        Here you show the real HAY face, your true intentions.

                        Quote: DavidLinch2012
                        As for the diamond for Raisa, I really do not have such information. I honestly can't understand: So what? Well presented, well asked back? It's good? Or is it bad?

                        You didn’t recognize before. Do you think it is OK to give a gift and then ASK for it back? Or do you think for the beautiful eyes of Raisa, the Armenians in the USA gave a diamond? Why did they demand a diamond? Yes, because Gorbachev did little harm towards Azerbaijanis. That is why they asked back.

                        So is it bad or good? One thing is already bad that you are from that nation from which you don’t have to take anything so that you don’t hear your hysteria about returning later. It’s good that you do not ask back, the ice cream that she ate.

                        Quote: DavidLinch2012
                        As for the Russia-Armenia relationship, I already wrote to you, fire and water and copper pipes passed. The vector remains stable.

                        Will not stay. You see how Russians already relate to you on the forum? Although I am more than sure that the Russian government knows you. Since they brought you. Soon, not only the government, but all of Russia will know everything about you. For my part, I will do everything.

                        EVERY SUCH POST, it's a balm for my soul!
                        Quote: zevs379
                        So it seems you are right about the Armenians!

                        And I get a lot of SUCH posts. As I show them to everyone who you are and who you are.

                        Since the more people find out who you are, the faster they will choke you everywhere. Economically, morally, even by military means. On the day that Russia gives a guarantee that it will not interfere in the war between Azerbaijan and Armenia, I will personally be on the list of those who will participate in the war.

                        I give my word, I won’t spare anyone!
                        This will be the answer to your SARCASM when you wrote to me FORGIVING WHAT WAS NOT GETTING TO THE CHICKEN.

                        You don’t understand one thing, that not only I, but also many Azerbaijanis, before the war, will go through a course of some moments in the history of our people.
                        This will be a photo of Khojaly, and other difficult moments of our history with you. I swear to you the health of my parents, SVENCIN, it will seem to the Armenians as ANGEL RESORT.

                        When you quarrel, you need to quarrel so that there is room for reconciliation. But you did not leave this place. We will not spare anyone. I am ready to sue the trebunal, as well as a thousand of my fellow countrymen, but we will arrange this for you, so that even in your wildest dreams, you will not even see pieces of Azerbaijani land. So that you do not fit the Azerbaijani border for 10 kilometers. I give you my word, it will be so. If you think that the army of Azerbaijan is the one you knew in the 90s, so be it. Then do not say that I did not warn.

                        As the Armenians did the experiment on our children, we will discover new chemical elements on your bodies. I will be among these people.
                        What did you think, we forgot your atrocities?

                        You rejoice that the war does not begin, but by this you do not understand that, every day the army of Azerbaijan becomes strong.

                        So write to your fellow countrymen so that they don’t scold the Russians on the forums, let them not be thankful, they protect you and you call them and insult them ....

                        GOD YOU PUNISHES FOR YOUR PRIDE.
                      3. zevs379
                        zevs379 28 May 2012 15: 54 New
                        +1
                        [quote = Ataturk] they protect you and you call them and insult them .... [/ quote]


                        It seems that we watched the same forum. And I did not understand what kind of HAIKI are these? Please write in more detail.
                        Sincerely, Victor. drinks
                      4. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 28 May 2012 16: 05 New
                        +5
                        Quote: zevs379
                        It seems that we watched the same forum. And I did not understand what kind of HAIKI are these? Please write in more detail.


                        My dear, they say that everywhere, not only in their main forum, hayastan com. In Hayastan com, I will give you a link when they started to scold, one Armenian wrote, do not scold the Russians, they are WHERE WE NEED, otherwise they can read.

                        I have never seen so much dirt. How can you insult the whole nation like that? Drunks and fallen women. Despite the fact that they do what their women do in Turkey, they don’t write. Are there drunks among mine too?

                        Thank you Victor for your fair assessment. Regards, my friend.
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 28 May 2012 16: 36 New
                        +4
                        Victor!
                        Hai is the self-designation of Armenians !!
                    2. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 28 May 2012 16: 16 New
                      +5
                      Lobster!
                      You wrote it right !!
                      We as direct enemies do not cheat!
                      David constantly writes letters to me in private with sarcasm trying to offend, but he doesn’t understand what it means to me, what I have to do in due time and will do it if God gives in the future !!
                      I assure you my hand has not faltered before and will not falter in the future!
                      their only women and children are lucky that they are our enemies, and not themselves!
                    3. DavidLinch2012
                      DavidLinch2012 28 May 2012 16: 23 New
                      -1
                      1) Nakhichevan was presented to Azerbaijan by the Bolsheviks, together with Karabakh, to punish the "Dashnaks" who did not recognize the Soviet power. Zangezur would also have been given, but they did not want to have a border with Iran, only through Muslim Azerbaijan. You have modestly kept silent about the destroyed monuments.

                      2) Explaining the moment that you did not understand. Russia does not need a military conflict between the West and Iran and Syria. Those. those who lobby for this war are implementing the anti-Russian line. Azerbaijan’s participation in this coalition speaks for itself.

                      3) Omar. Nobody canceled the "right of nations to self-determination". What is the difference between the Russian Federation and unitary Azerbaijan? Russia enriches all its nationalities: Bashkirs, Adygs, Tatars, Lezgins, Avars, Circassians, Kabardians, Chukchis and others. Civilizes them if you want. And Azerbaijan is only milking. So both Talysh and Lezgins are deeply violet what the Armenians think there. They fight your dominance on their own, because do not acknowledge your right to control them. Well, tell me - what good did you give them?

                      4) I say that I know nothing about "raisin brilliant". Gorbachev helped Azerbaijan at least by preventing Karabakh from joining Armenia. The fact that he did not give due assessment to the events in Sumgait. By allowing Polyanichko (2nd secretary of the Communist Party of the AzSSR) to carry out the "Ring" plan. That gave the first opportunity to the Nakhichevan ASSR! secede from the USSR in 1990. By contributing to the killings of Armenians from 13 to 20/01/1990 in Baku. Because he loved the Turks so close. Believe it or not, there is a fairly stable version that his real name is Mikhail Mehmed-oglu Yakup. So this is your little friend.

                      5) The way Russians treat Armenians at this forum has nothing to do with cooperation at the state level. So, the vector remains stable, no matter how you try to open everyone's eyes. "By their deeds, recognize them."

                      6) Such posts, which you receive a lot, are written by people who have never been to Armenia. Chat with the guys who returned from 102 brigade to Gyumri. By the way, from 01/05/2012 in 102 brigade there is not a single conscript left. All are contractors. Wait, God forbid, the mess begins in Iran, many Russians who only saw the Turks in the pictures, but the servants in the hotels, wake up quickly. You, friends of Russia, have treated both Chechens, but sent them to Turkey through your territory. So, a positive or negative attitude of the forum users towards the Armenians does not mean a positive attitude towards the Azerbaijanis.

                      7) For the fact that in 1994 we did not reach Kura, I did not ask you for forgiveness. I wrote that it was our biggest mistake. Now there would be no questions. And the fact that you will torture people with voluptuousness, so it shows through in all your posts.

                      About the events organized by Veli Kuchuk in the Askeran-Nakhichevanik-Agdam triangle, known as the "genocide of Khojaly". Are you ready to discuss them here? I will describe the situation to you, as I see it, and you will tell you where I am wrong. Only without propaganda myths about the 366th regiment and other heresy.
                    4. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 28 May 2012 16: 33 New
                      +3
                      to the Bolsheviks Nakhchivan and Karabakh to whom belonged ??? Zangezur to whom belonged ??? Yerevan how did you transfer Armenia ?? how did Yerevan become the capital of the Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic, what for and to whom ??? on the basis of what agreement and what did Armenia commit to do in exchange for Yerevan? ?
                      The legal successor of which state was the Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic and what territory did that country have ??
                    5. Ataturk
                      Ataturk 28 May 2012 16: 43 New
                      +3
                      Quote: DavidLinch2012
                      Bolsheviks presented Nakhichevan to Azerbaijan

                      they will answer you now with the facts. Wait. The historian will answer now!

                      Quote: DavidLinch2012
                      Russia does not need a military conflict between the West and Iran and Syria. Those. those who lobby for this war are implementing the anti-Russian line. Azerbaijan’s participation in this coalition speaks for itself.

                      Well, excuse me, it's not my fault that our enemy turned out to be a friend of Russia. Although it is difficult for me to consider the Persians friends with whom Russia fought more than once as friends.

                      Quote: DavidLinch2012
                      3) Lobster. Nobody canceled the "right of nations to self-determination".

                      Kurds live in Armenia. Yezidis. They will want the SOUTH of the entire border with Iran, you will give them independence ????????? ME NOT RESPOND TO ME!

                      Woof, but they eat what they want. This is my home, my land. No one has the right to ask for anything. Like live and no, sound to where you shelter!

                      100 nations live in Russia, imagine everyone wants it and what ???????? These rights shake those are traitors.

                      Quote: DavidLinch2012
                      I say that I know nothing about "raisin diamond".

                      strange.

                      Quote: DavidLinch2012
                      Such posts, which you receive a lot, are written by people who have never been to Armenia. Chat with the guys who returned from 102 brigade to Gyumri.

                      Well, you know how to disguise. Since many Russian guys did not yet know what you write about them. When you wrote, talk to them, I thought you were talking about your fellow countrymen who cannot connect 2 words in Russian. You’d better build Russian schools there. There will be more benefits. And then reading them I want to cry.

                      I read and showed you what Russian soldiers say. in the Gyumri Base there are many Armenians.

                      Quote: DavidLinch2012
                      Are you ready to discuss them here?

                      My dream is to discuss this on the battlefield. Do you believe here is the word of honor. Since we’ve been discussing it for 20 years, but to no avail.
                    6. dodil
                      dodil 28 May 2012 17: 32 New
                      -2
                      1) Will the Azerbaijani historian answer?
                      Yes, and with the facts
                      This is worth the wait)))))))

                      2) About which I write - a friend of my enemy - my enemy

                      3) That’s why you fall apart. The nations you are trying to control must be respected.
                      Unlike you, the Russians gave a lot to the conquered peoples. You are nothing!

                      4) Ie are you not ready to discuss the operation carried out by Veli Kuchuk in the Askeran-Nakhichevanik-Aghdam triangle, in your interpretation of the "genocide of Khojaly"?
                    7. dodil
                      dodil 28 May 2012 18: 49 New
                      -2
                      As I see it, the historian is lost))
                      As usual, Azerbaijanis are "in charge of the bazaar"
                  3. Kamilla
                    Kamilla 29 May 2012 07: 32 New
                    +4
                    .
                    Quote: Ataturk
                    they will answer you now with the facts. Wait.

                    History of Nakhichevan

                    Nakhchivan is the most ancient land of Azerbaijan, which has a centuries-old history. Even in the Neolithic era, local tribes lived here, who were engaged in various economies and areas of art. This place was called "Nakhchuan", "Nahjuan" or "Nagshejahan." In some Persian and Turkic sources, Nakhichevan is indicated as "Nagshijahan." There are also other names of the city - in Greek “Naxuana”, in the Pahlavi language (Middle Persian) “Nakhchivan”, in Arabic - “Nesheva” and whether “Akchevan” - the homeland of Nakhichevan - Oguz wise men. Recent studies explain the origin of the word Nakhichevan as the word "Nakhhunte" taken from the Elam language. Nakhchivan is one of the most famous ancient cities of the Middle East. The age of the city is about 3500 years. The first written information about Nakhichevan is found in the work of Claudius Ptlomei "Geography" (II century BC). The city of Nakhichevan, located on a large caravan route, was destroyed by the Sassanids in the 654rd century Christian calendar. Here, in the Sassanid era, from the first half of the 3th century to the first half of the 1064th century, silver coins were minted in special mints on which the word "Nakhchivan" was written. In the first half of the 1136th century, Nakhchivan was attacked by the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius. In XNUMX, the Arab Emir Habib ibn Mesleme captured Nakhichevan. From an administrative point of view, the city was part of the XNUMXrd Caliphate Emiry. Since the beginning of the XNUMXth century, during the period of the beginning of the Huramites’s national movement against the Arabs, the city of Nakhichevan was the main defense point of the Khuramits and one of the military camps. In the IX - X centuries, Nakhchivan was part of the Sajid and Salarid state. From the middle of the XNUMXth century, Nakhichevan was transferred to the Seljuk Sultans. In XNUMX, Nakhichevan was conquered by the heir to the Seljuk ruler Togrul bey - Alp Arslan. In the era of the rule of the Atabeks and Elkhanids, with the advent of one of the heirs of the Seljuk state in Ganja in XNUMX, Shamseddin Eldeniz, the era of the Atabeks, or rather the era of the rule of the Eldenizs, began. In the middle of the XII century, Nakhichevan was part of the Eldeniz state.

                    During this period, Nakhichevan turned into the main center of trade and art of the Atabeks state. In 1221, the city was attacked by the army of Genghis, and was severely defeated. After the Mongol invasion, in 1225. The city of Nakhchivan obeyed the son of Kharezmshah Mohammed - Jalaleddin Mangiburi. In 1386, during the invasion of the troops of Teymurleng, the economic life of Nakhichevan. As well as her material culture, significant damage was done. In the XV century, during the reign of Akkoyunlu and Garagoyunlu, Nakhichevan began to develop even faster. The political ascent of the Safavi dynasty in 1501 begins with the victory of Sheikh Ismail over the Akkoyunlu army in Nakhichevan. After the victory of the "golden-headed" in the Sharur steppe over Akkoyunlu, Nakhichevan came under the control of the Safavids.

                    During the reign of Nadir Shah, the Chuhur-Sad-Nakhichevan beyerbekstvo was annulled and entered into a single administrative district called Azerbaijan. In 1747, as a result of an assassination attempt on Nadir Afshar and his murder. About twenty independent feudal states - khanates were formed in Azerbaijan.

                    In the middle of the 1787th century, the leader of the Kengerli tribe, Heydargulu Khan, declared himself the Khan of Nakhichevan. The Nakhchivan khanate included: Nakhchivan, Sharur, Ordubad, Mehri, Kafan and other provinces. In 1805, Kelbeli Khan became the khan of Nakhichevan. In the era of the khanates in Nakhchivan there was a certain revival. During the first Russo-Iranian war (1813 - 1826), according to the Gulistan Treaty, the Nakhichevan Khanate remained under Iranian rule. During the second Russo-Iranian war (1828 - 1827) in 1828, the Russian army captured Nakhichevan. The forced accession of Nakhichevan to Russia finally took place according to the Turkmenchay Treaty concluded between Russia and Iran in XNUMX.

                    Since 1905, bloody clashes between Armenians and Azerbaijanis have been taking place in Nakhichevan. Since 1917, the Armenians made territorial claims against Nakhichevan. During the period of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic (1918 1920), after the February bourgeois revolution of 1917, on April 15, a congress of Muslims of the Caucasus was held in Baku, after long disputes, the idea of ​​creating a Mahelle federation was accepted. In the summer of the same year, local government bodies of the interim government were established in the Nakhichevan region. In early 1918, armed groups of Armenian Dashnaks staged a real massacre in Nakhichevan. The Nakhichevan National Committee, which is in the hands of the Baku Dashnaks and Socialist-Revolutionaries, could get real help only from Turkey. Turkish troops, under the command of Khalil bey, came to the aid of Nakhichevan. In November 1918, the Araz-Türk Republic was formed. The territory of this Republic, the capital of which was the city of Nakhichevan, amounted to 16000 square meters. km, the population was about 1 million people. The borders of the Republic covered Nakhichevan, Shakur - Daralyazsky, Ordubad counties, as well as Sardarabad, Uluhanly, Vedibasar, Gemerli, Mehri and other regions. The defeat of Turkey in the First World War, under the terms of the Mudros Agreement (1918), led to the withdrawal of Turkish troops from Azerbaijan, in particular from Nakhichevan. During the Soviet Union, after the Bolsheviks came to power in Azerbaijan, the Nakhchivan Soviet Socialist Republic was formed on July 28. As a supreme organ The Nakhchivan Revolutionary Committee was elected, which declared Nakhchivan an integral part of Azerbaijan. According to the Moscow and Kars Agreement concluded in Moscow, a decision was made to transfer Nakhichevan under the auspices of Azerbaijan. Of great importance in protecting the territory of Nakhichevan was the agreement signed in Moscow and Kars. Azerbaijan, as well as its integral part of the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic, fought for independence for a long time. In 1990, the Supreme Council of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, taking the Moscow and Kars agreement as a basis. Decided to secede from the USSR. This actually became the beginning of the collapse of the USSR. Political processes after 1990, the events that began around Nagorno-Karabakh were also reflected in Nakhichevan. During this period, the situation in Nakhichevan was rather difficult. Nakhchivan was expected by the threat of occupation by the Armenians. On July 22, 1990, the arrival of Heydar Aliyev from Moscow to Nakhichevan saved the region. Returning to political activity, Heydar Aliyev was elected a deputy of the Azerbaijan and Nakhichevan parliament, and in September 1991 he was elected head of the Supreme Council of the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic. Thanks to the determination and political will of Heydar Aliyev,the first in the history of the parliament of Nakhichevan fateful steps were taken towards restoring the traditions of national statehood. A three-color state flag was adopted. The Supreme Council of Azerbaijan raised a question in accordance with the legislation on the flag and other attributes of independence. The Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic, taken by Armenia as a blockade, was given special attention to improve relations with Iran and Turkey. In 1992, a protocol was signed between the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic of Turkey, Iran and Iran; bridges were built over the Araz River. In connection with the security of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic, specific measures have been taken.

                    Today Nakhchivan is a dynamically developing ancient Azerbaijan land, Turkic land
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 28 May 2012 11: 19 New
    +4
    Hi Omar, in Iran 30 millions of Azerbaijanis! A blow to Iran is essentially a blow to you, draw conclusions.
    1. Ataturk
      Ataturk 28 May 2012 11: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Hi Omar, in Iran 30 millions of Azerbaijanis! A blow to Iran is essentially a blow to you, draw conclusions.


      Yes, alas, it is true! :(
  • V-mir
    V-mir 28 May 2012 11: 26 New
    0
    Good afternoon! Under the Sonorous Word, Islam, the US and NATO are professionally playing out the contradictions between Shiites and Sunnis. And sometimes they simply act as hired killers to incite national and local disturbances. This is if you take the Arab spring.
    And the list goes on:
    5. Yemen
    6. Somalia
    7. Sudan - the beginning of the "spring" aggravation
    ... on the way Nigeria
    In northern Lebanon, aggravation periodically occurs ...
    1. DavidLinch2012
      DavidLinch2012 28 May 2012 11: 43 New
      -2
      Reading numerous comments about the war in Libya, you are simply amazed. “Colonialism,” “neo-colonialism,” “imperialist aggression,” “sharing the Libyan oil pie,” “the largest freshwater reserves in Africa,” “the desire to drive China and Russia out of the Mediterranean,” and so on. It seems that these commentators have a calendar year 1971, and in Vietnam, the war against the American occupiers and their puppets is still ongoing. It is clear that everyone who is trying to analyze the events in Libya was brought up on Soviet propaganda and now, 20 years after the collapse of the USSR, they could not rebuild their thinking and take a fresh look at the rapidly changing world situation. After Desert Storm, the words “colonialism” and “neo-colonialism” can only be used in relation to wars without the involvement of the Muslim factor. For example, to the second Congolese war (since 1998) between China and the United States. As a result of this war, the pro-Chinese central government of Kinshasa established control over copper mines and diamond mines, while pro-American Tutsis managed to retain gold and columbite-tantalite deposits. This war did not affect the situation of, say, Kosovo Serbs. Another thing is Iraq and Libya. Although these countries have huge oil reserves, the words “imperialism” and “colonialism” are not applicable here. Imperialism, as imagined by Soviet propaganda, died on the night of January 16-17, 1991. Now Western “imperialists” and oil Islamists are bound by mutual responsibility by Iraqi blood and this forces them to go all the way in achieving their goal - the creation of a “World Caliphate”, despite the fact that the Catholic Protestant West does not need an Islamized Russia. For the West, the ideal option is this: all Russians embrace Catholicism, enthusiastically kiss the Pope’s shoe and sell their oil and gas for free. The Vatican has been trying for centuries to establish its power over Russia, and the last such attempt dates back to 1941, when Pope Pius XII and the faithful servant of the “Holy See” Adolf Hitler launched a “crusade” against the USSR. Since this attempt failed, the West was forced to unleash the Third World War under the complete dictation of the oil monarchies of the Persian Gulf.

      Americans and Europeans pay a high price for the Islamization of Russia and the Balkan Peninsula, including with their lives. On February 12, 2007, 18-year-old Suleiman Talovich, having opened fire at the Salt Lake City shopping center, killed five and injured four people. The American media hastened to accuse the Bosnian Serbs of this crime, since Talovich spent two years in the “besieged Srebrenica”, and his grandfather died from shelling. Poor child, he had to endure so much, so he and his family moved from Bosnia to the USA with the cry “Allahu akbar!” to shoot everyone in a row. Also five people managed to kill the Kosovo Albanian Ibrahim Shkupolli in the shopping center of Espoo, making the Finns their “gift” for the new 2010 year. Finland's tolerant media hastened to accuse Slobodan Milosevic of this crime, since he abolished Kosovo’s autonomy, seriously injuring the tender and sensitive psyche of the Kosovo Albanian. Catholic protestants are not able to admit their own guilt for these crimes. The irrational hatred of everything Orthodox that the Catholic Protestants receive at baptism along with the dogmas “Extra ecclesiam Romanam nulla salus” (there is no salvation outside the Roman Church) and “Graeca fides, nulla fides” (Greek fidelity is infidelity) is so great that it completely suppresses the instinct of self-preservation. Catholic protestants are ready to endure that Muslim migrants raped and murdered them, forced them to live according to Sharia law, remove images of the crucifixion in schools, rename the “Christmas of Christ” to “winter holidays”, etc. ... if only Muslims continue to destroy the Serbs and Russians that they hate.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 28 May 2012 15: 54 New
      +1
      Vladimir you are right !!!
      The list is very long !!
      But this is a policy not only of the USA, but of the whole West!
  • Cadet787
    Cadet787 29 May 2012 00: 42 New
    0
    In this situation, they would have kept Syria, otherwise this infection would reach us. Syria today is fighting for Russia.
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 28 May 2012 10: 41 New
    +3
    proven method - shout louder .. Just use the method of General Ermolov - do not take prisoners! When they begin to destroy mercenaries, as in Chechnya, the hunters will immediately decrease!
  • Ataturk
    Ataturk 28 May 2012 10: 58 New
    +4
    The only solution to save Syria and Iran is only 1 option.

    Sell ​​them Topol-M and say, on your own behalf, tell the NATO troops that if at least one bullet flies in our direction at least 1 plane or a drone, START straight to BRITAIN. Exactly there. All this gang started from there. We must root them up !!!

    That's all! There is no other option!

    The question is, how much is it SAFE to give such weapons to them? Assad looks like a quiet and calm person than Ahmednijat. I do not know.

    But there’s an exit or a weapon there, or to open a BASE there and in the CSTO of them)))))))

    NATO does not understand the dialogue! There the animals are sitting.
    1. zevs379
      zevs379 28 May 2012 13: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Ataturk
      But there’s an exit or a weapon there, or a BASE there and in the CSTO them))))))) NATO does not understand the dialogue! There the animals are sitting.



      CSTO is something new! A good idea . Everything that is possible and impossible must be done, but Syria must be defended. If Russia caves in - all pi dec! All independent anti-American ones will turn away from us and be right!
      1. Ataturk
        Ataturk 28 May 2012 13: 39 New
        +2
        You plus you are absolutely right.
        The image of Russia will fall with the recession of Syria and Iran.
        1. Curculum
          Curculum 28 May 2012 15: 18 New
          +2
          Ataturk, nothing of the kind: the image will fall only if the Russian Federation, having the opportunity, did not make every effort to prevent the Libyan scenario. And if Syria collapses under the influence of the "opposition" forces, without direct external influence, will the Russian Federation be to blame again? But the Russian Federation now no longer bends, the trash is gradually swept aside, with his own eyes growth in all aspects and parameters. With regard to Syria, the proverb "The rescue of a drowning man is the work of himself" is in demand. The most important role of the Russian Federation is to reveal as much as possible the dual standards and spread about it left and right. What's the worst thing about the safety of the beast? - publicity of his alleged actions. And the Syrian leadership is somehow sluggish in the mass media space, which is very surprising. The same Iran here is much more successful, and as a result - Iran is target number 2 (sort of), although its actions are worse than Syria.
        2. Marat
          Marat 28 May 2012 19: 30 New
          +1
          Actually, the issue is not the image - and not who is to blame or who has done or not done what - we are not at sports competitions. As they say - the polites all over - the mahach began

          The result will be clear by who will crush whom and knock down

          they will defeat Iran - all of us are in trouble - and very big - I don’t even know how we can survive further

          They will defeat Syria - 50% that they will finish off Iran - Syria is the key to Iran - Iran is the key to us

          I just hope that VP understands all this and I hope that China will support us - it is also unprofitable for it to remain alone with the world evil without Russia
  • AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 28 May 2012 11: 01 New
    +3
    I would like to wish the people of Syria and those in power to find the strength in themselves and continue building their own country at their own discretion, not paying attention to the "democratic riffraff" especially from England.
  • igor67
    igor67 28 May 2012 11: 15 New
    +1
    The Hula crime was condemned by a tough and unanimous UN Security Council resolution. Even the representative of Russia - a traditional ally of Assad, Alexander Pankin, said: "We are truly concerned, moreover, furious with what happened. It is clear that the Council should conduct an investigation and develop a program of action on its basis." was not in Syria, then the massacres of civilians would be twice as terrible, "the deputy commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Quds, General Ismail Kuni, told ISNA.

    “Iran has, physically and not physically, stopped the rebels from killing many more Syrians,” he said.
    1. DavidLinch2012
      DavidLinch2012 28 May 2012 11: 27 New
      +1
      Dear Igor.
      You built a phrase very interestingly
      Even a spokesman for Russia, a traditional ally of Assad, Alexander Pankin, said: "We are truly concerned, moreover, furious about what happened. It is clear that the Council must investigate and develop a program of action based on it."

      Nobody blamed Assad for this crime, at least "nobody in their right mind."
      First you need to investigate.
      According to its results, you can judge who is to blame.
      But neither the West, nor the monarchies of the Gulf, nor Turkey are interested in the question "Who is to blame?" Because the investigation will show - that they are to blame, who armed the "bearded bandits and murderers."
      But who needs the truth now, if "whipped up hysteria" is a continuation of the movement towards the stated goals.
      1. igor67
        igor67 28 May 2012 11: 35 New
        +1
        DavidLinch2012 (2) CZ is clippings from articles.
        1. DavidLinch2012
          DavidLinch2012 28 May 2012 12: 00 New
          -1
          Clear.
          It was just perceived as your point of view.
  • spok
    spok 28 May 2012 11: 23 New
    -5
    Putin will sell Syria as Libya
    he is a statesman and he doesn’t care about Russia
    1. igor67
      igor67 28 May 2012 11: 27 New
      +4
      Two weapons vehicles from Russia and North Korea are expected to arrive at Syrian ports on Saturday, May 26.
      1. Oleg0705
        Oleg0705 28 May 2012 20: 31 New
        0
        Quote: igor67
        Two weapons vehicles from Russia and North Korea are expected to arrive at Syrian ports on Saturday, May 26.


        where are the firewood from?
      2. V-mir
        V-mir 29 May 2012 03: 31 New
        -1
        At the expense of such transports, I don’t know the info. But the fact that the Lebanese sea border guards periodically detain strange transports with weapons for the rebels is a fact. In the near future, the next such news is possible, only this time with the addition, supposedly UN forces also participated ...
        Weapons from mercenaries what you need!
    2. DavidLinch2012
      DavidLinch2012 28 May 2012 11: 34 New
      +2
      I don’t know how Putin is, but you can see that you certainly don’t give a damn ...
    3. Curculum
      Curculum 28 May 2012 14: 59 New
      0
      spok, watched the payroll or decided to crow? am
  • ole
    ole 28 May 2012 12: 42 New
    0
    Rather, they will eat Syria and the new Libya (Syria) will also be spread across the borders and there will be an armed confrontation of all against all.
  • Dust
    Dust 28 May 2012 14: 54 New
    +1
    Even if the abyss of heaven suddenly erupts and a catastrophic flood occurs in Syria, Assad will definitely be to blame for all this!
  • Strashila
    Strashila 28 May 2012 17: 55 New
    +1
    All this took place in Yugoslavia and Serbia ... that would not have happened without prosecution of the current government. Only years later. how small notes will appear in Serbia that they were not them ... they were victims themselves, but they don’t need anyone. Arrange a provocation ... it’s easy to deserts a dump ... and uniforms and documents, weapons and ammunition of government troops, yes not measured. Lay a shell in a crowded place and jerk ... prove that you are Himalayan and not a camel.
  • Rusik.S
    Rusik.S 28 May 2012 18: 02 New
    0
    The scenario is the same as in Libya
  • razved
    razved 28 May 2012 22: 26 New
    0
    If Assad sits, it will be comparable to a miracle.
  • Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 29 May 2012 04: 00 New
    +1
    Well, who would doubt that Assad will be made guilty of everything. Standard Western hysteria from the category: "CARPHAGENE MUST BE DESTROYED". Russia cannot cede Syria, the earlier we surrender Assad, the sooner they will come for us.
    Russia is the main and only goal for the West.