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Fake or? .. The media curled the transfer of the Israeli Air Force additional F-35

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The United States will pass on additional fifth-generation F-35 fighter jets to Israel. Washington allegedly made such a decision against the supply of Russian C-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Syria, Vzglyad reports with reference to the Israeli portal DEBKA.


Fake or? .. The media curled the transfer of the Israeli Air Force additional F-35


The Israeli portal, voiced this information, reports that the alleged additional F-35 for the Israeli Air Force will be taken from the existing squadrons of the US Air Force for efficiency. This should demonstrate the determination of the United States and Israel to support the operations of the Israeli Air Force over Syria, despite the strengthening of the Syrian air defense.

In addition, the first American squadron F-35 will also be sent to the Al-Dharf air base in Saudi Arabia, which is used by the United States.

Information about the transfer to Israel of additional F-35, and even from the composition of the existing squadrons of the US Air Force, frankly, smacks of fake, but once a year and the stick shoots.

Meanwhile, Israeli Regional Cooperation Minister Tsahi Hanegby doubted the ability of the S-300 anti-aircraft missiles delivered to Syria to “track Israeli Aviation, which includes stealth American fighter F-35 ". This writes the Israeli edition of Haaretz.

Hanegbi said that the Israeli Air Force’s operational capabilities are such that C-300 doesn’t actually limit their effectiveness, since they allegedly "cannot even be traced by subtle fighters."
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  1. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 5 October 2018 15: 48
    +17
    Pralna, take in reserve, the flow of availability is quite possible to exceed your expectations! tongue
    1. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 5 October 2018 15: 53
      +16
      Quote: Major Yurik
      Pralna, take in reserve, the flow of availability is quite possible to exceed your expectations! tongue

      Israel is confident in their invisibility, but the United States, as it were, is not entirely, therefore, they are transmitting.
      1. figwam
        figwam 5 October 2018 16: 14
        +15
        This should demonstrate the determination of the United States and Israel to support the Israeli Air Force operations over Syria, despite the strengthening of Syrian air defense.

        Well, now it is clear that there is a great interest of the states in striking Syria with the help of Israeli aircraft.
        1. zhekazs
          zhekazs 5 October 2018 18: 52
          +2
          Quote: figvam
          with the help of Israeli aviation

          Everything is so, all the more so in the spirit of our overseas brothers in mind (amer = bluff = poker = sharpie = six = thimble = give-in-the-muzzle-drool-snot-lets) to fight for their interests with the wrong hands.
          And the conclusion is this: now the Israelis (I mean ordinary Jews, the people of this country) equated (and use as ...) to al-Qaida, Isis, today's Ukrainian nationalists, fascists of the Second World War (it’s no secret that the states indirectly sponsored Hitler’s Reich), the Taliban of the Soviet era and all other terrorist and near-terrorist and nationalist groups living on dollars issued directly from print FRS machine.
          The only question is what the comrades living will do, as they themselves say it on the promised land - will they behave on the snake of the tempter and devour this damn apple, or they will manifest Its will and endurance?.............
          1. flicker
            flicker 5 October 2018 19: 29
            +4
            the question is what will the comrades living, as they say it on the promised land, do they behave on the serpent of the tempter and devour this damn apple, or will they show their will and endurance?
            They are sure that the owner loves them and will not give offense. Argument: that was before. But before, the owner of the business was going uphill and he could throw tasty treats to his dog. Now the situation is different, the owner is not sure that he will survive, and therefore, for the sake of his salvation, he is ready to sacrifice his beloved dog.
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 5 October 2018 22: 59
              +3
              Yes, that’s not the point.
              Remember, before, Israel was given $ 3,1 billion annually, a quarter of which was allowed to invest in the economy of Israel, and the rest to buy weapons in the United States. They will now give $ 3,8 billion (inflation), they promised to give it for 10 years, but they have forbidden to invest even the shekel from the money in the Israeli economy.
              That is, through the efforts of Trump, Israel had to urgently think about what to spend in the United States suddenly dumped on them in excess of the usual 1,475 billion. Buying the most expensive toys is quite logical.
      2. ltc35
        ltc35 5 October 2018 16: 29
        +12
        Surely we will soon find out how invisible the 35th and how big-eyed S-300. Intrigue and nervousness are on both sides, as before a duel.
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 5 October 2018 16: 55
          +4
          Quote: ltc35
          Surely we will soon find out how invisible the 35th and how big-eyed S-300. Intrigue and nervousness are on both sides, as before a duel.

          Surely already checked on the C300, belonging to Greece. But there is no information about the results. https://topwar.ru/37356-greciya-uspeshno-provela-pervye-strelby-iz-zrk-s-300-pmu1.html
          So it may not be reported now.
          1. zhekazs
            zhekazs 5 October 2018 19: 18
            +1
            Surely they know. But what does the Greeks have, the export version? So there will be surprises.
            By the way, what Abershweili said about the theft of our technologies for improving the Amerzian patriot, it could leak from our export versions, not necessarily Greek, but you do not need to take his word for word about further development ... Here you understand, you need to say so that and truly and potential brains to powder, here. Well this is my opinion.
        2. flicker
          flicker 5 October 2018 21: 54
          +5
          how invisible the 35th and how big-eyed S-300. Intrigue
          It seems to me that the intrigue is not that: noticeable, inconspicuous, big-eyed, not big-eyed.
          And in that: Is Russia ready to bang Israel or not?
          The most interesting (as it is not strange) is that we simply need to bang it. By this, we are breaking the situation in our favor. The whole Arab (wider - Islamic) world will welcome this. Everyone, finally, will see that we are ready to defend ourselves, and therefore we can protect others. All the indecision of many countries due to the fact that they see how we are trying to make friends with the United States, and if so, they do not dare to object to the geldings.
          Alas and ah (for the Israelis), but in order to save Russia (from impudent sanctions and other manifestations of rudeness) we need to crack someone, but here is the case: to end the unlimited behavior of Israel in the BV.
          So, if Israel has the nerve to strike Syria, then they provide us with a wonderful chance to solve the situation in our favor. Sin does not take this chance.
          The chance for the Israelis is to demand that their leadership completely abandon aggressive politics.
      3. supertiger21
        supertiger21 5 October 2018 18: 39
        +2
        Quote: MKPU-115
        Israel is confident in their invisibility, but the United States, as it were, is not entirely, therefore, they are transmitting.


        In stealth. wink
      4. Totah155 Mk 2
        Totah155 Mk 2 5 October 2018 21: 31
        0
        Quote: MKPU-115
        Quote: Major Yurik
        Pralna, take in reserve, the flow of availability is quite possible to exceed your expectations! tongue

        Israel is confident in their invisibility, but the United States, as it were, is not entirely, therefore, they are transmitting.

        Well, you and f16 do not really see.
        As it turned out during the tragedy with IL20
        So f35 is even redundant
        1. Grits
          Grits 6 October 2018 04: 26
          +6
          Well, you and f16 do not really see.
          As it turned out during the tragedy with IL20
          So f35 is even redundant

          To hide from a fist (rocket) behind a broad back (fuselage) a lot of mind (TTX) is not necessary. Enough cynicism and meanness. What are you very successful. Still not surprised, why does the whole world hate you?
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 5 October 2018 16: 33
      +1
      Quote: Major Yurik
      Pralna, take in reserve, the flow of availability is quite possible to exceed your expectations! tongue

      DEBKA? request You would still refer to the OBS. fool
      1. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 5 October 2018 16: 44
        +1
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Major Yurik
        Pralna, take in reserve, the flow of availability is quite possible to exceed your expectations! tongue

        DEBKA? request You would still refer to the OBS. fool

        Aron, yes the Lord is with you! This is koment-advice, not a statement! yes
      2. Grandfather Fichteau
        Grandfather Fichteau 5 October 2018 18: 23
        +3
        Aron, how much have your professors been banned? It is difficult for you without him, he would have now raised the wool from the members of the forum ..))) No offense Aron.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 5 October 2018 21: 36
          -2
          Quote: Grandfather Fir
          Aron, how much have your professors been banned? It is difficult for you without him, he would have now raised the wool from the members of the forum ..))) No offense Aron.

          Mikhalych, why take offense at you?
          1. Grandfather Fichteau
            Grandfather Fichteau 5 October 2018 21: 47
            +5
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Mikhalych, why take offense at you?

            Got a hint, but I wanted a good Aron .... hi
            That's how you in Syria communicate with us and with the whole world .. Everything is mirrored.!
            So historically, everything happened correctly ..
          2. VO3A
            VO3A 5 October 2018 23: 23
            +1
            Infa for additional F-35 is a fake! Why would vicious pi_ndoskie planes urgently be handed over to Israel if it is modifying them for their systems ?! So, let the cheeks not cheat and do not carry stupid things and do not listen !!!
            Now, apparently ... And what they wanted to see, they could yes, but they didn’t really want to, until the Malanians were completely out of thin air ... Wash your ass with both F-16 and F-35 !!! There are no problems to see them !!! No need to demonstrate your technical stupidity on the site ...
      3. Alexkorzun
        Alexkorzun 6 October 2018 13: 46
        0
        DEBKA? You would still refer to the OBS.


        yes, really ... I agree here. In a decent society, refer to DEBKA - they can also serve a meal.
  2. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 5 October 2018 15: 49
    +6
    "Tsakhi Hanegbi doubted the ability of the S-300 air defense missile systems delivered to Syria to" track Israeli aviation "- if the United States fusses, then they are also sure of stealth 35, but not quite. ...
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 5 October 2018 16: 12
      -1
      C 300, F 35, "doubted" ". War will show who is more important
  3. jjj
    jjj 5 October 2018 15: 49
    +3
    On the American side, only business, but on the Israeli side, royalty
  4. genisis
    genisis 5 October 2018 15: 50
    +2
    What's the point? Why is Israel now additional F-35? Firstly, what can a few cars be able to change, and secondly, who is Israel going to fight with them?
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 5 October 2018 16: 35
      +1
      On the Internet they are already fighting with might and main with Russia.
      1. genisis
        genisis 5 October 2018 17: 08
        +8
        But in real life, Benjamin Netanyahu no longer knows through whom to try to appease Putin. I wanted it through Trump - it did not work out, I will try through Merkel. And so I still can’t understand how the situation with our IL in general became possible. Three options: the Israelis were sure that the Russians would not understand anything and take control of Syria that shot down the plane; the Israelis were confident that they would be able to convey to Putin that their point of view was correct and that the Syrians should be blamed, which should be punished; the Israelis did this on purpose, considering all the consequences and specifically forced us to supply S-300 to the Syrians. There is another four option that the Israelis did not assume that the situation would take such a turn and that there was a “tragic series of accidents,” but the information received by the Supreme Personnel allowed him to make an unambiguous conclusion, which he publicly announced that the actions of the Israelis were in direct cause and effect. investigative connection with the fall of our side. And now I’ve been racking my brains all these days, why did the Israelis go for it? What scenario was this action part of? The Israelis are not like the people in the saying "spitefully frostbite my ears to my grandmother." And given that the situation was created artificially by them, then what kind of development of events did they plan? Indeed, if the stakes are so high for Israel, it can even be said that the issue of their further successful existence is at stake, then for Russia the supply of S-4 systems and their integration into their air defense system deployed in Syria makes us a direct participant in the confrontation with Israel. It must be borne in mind that we never set ourselves the task of causing harm to Israel. Moreover, it is beneficial for us to have Israel opposing the Arabs, interacting with both sides, without directly participating in their disassembly. And Israel, by its actions, sharply raises the stakes. Why? Why did the Israelis do this right now? What is their purpose? Why do they lead us into direct confrontation on one of the parties to the conflict? I’ve been racking my brains for what day and I can’t understand. And without this, it is difficult to try to build a further development of events. It is difficult to understand whether the Israelis are ready for the S-300 missile to fly in them. Are the Israelis ready to shoot at the S-300 in response, not being sure that the Russian military is not in the carriage? Here is such a complicated intrigue. And considering that Israel is a regional player and there is no point in talking about confronting its Russian Federation, because of completely different scales, it is necessary to understand the degree of involvement of another global player in the conflict. Debka's article is trying to make it clear that the big player will harness for Israel even with his own planes. But according to other information, the Israelis were told that no one would start a nuclear conflict because of them. So I want to find the answer to the question formulated above.
        1. Ra-ra
          Ra-ra 5 October 2018 17: 29
          +4
          There is another option. They put on opinions. There are such in every yard. Confusion is restrained with cowardice, and then they are surprised at why they broke their heads. But in another way.
          1. genisis
            genisis 5 October 2018 17: 35
            +3
            I agree. The level of arrogance, arrogance and arrogance of Israel and the Israelis going wild. But they have survived and developed for many years in a hostile environment. So they are able to weigh their real forces and capabilities. Not long ago, they would have “lay with a broken head.” If you are right, then this is just the easiest option for development. In which the Israelites will extinguish their ardor, for the pain has taken down the arrogance of any bull.
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 5 October 2018 19: 06
              -8
              Quote: genisis
              I agree. The level of arrogance, arrogance and arrogance of Israel and the Israelis going wild. But they have survived and developed for many years in a hostile environment. So they are able to weigh their real forces and capabilities. Not long ago, they would have “lay with a broken head.” If you are right, then this is just the easiest option for development. In which the Israelites will extinguish their ardor, for the pain has taken down the arrogance of any bull.

              Philosopher William of Occam, who lived in the XIV century, always adhered to simplicity in his statements and thinking, in the perception of the world around him. The philosopher concluded his main fundamental thesis in the words: "Diversity should not be assumed unnecessarily" - new entities should not be attracted without a sufficient basis for them. If there are several logical explanations for a phenomenon, it should be considered correct, as you correctly noted, the simplest of them.
              And the simplest thing is that the Il-20 was shot down by a missile from the S-200 of the Syrian air defense. But the Russian Ministry of Defense ignores this immutable and self-recognized fact with such persistence that it suggests that the plane was not shot down by the Syrians. Not a single reproach, not even a complaint about insufficient professionalism or an annoying mistake, has been heard from Moscow for all the time. I can imagine how they bite their elbows in the RF Ministry of Defense, that the media so quickly broke through information that the Syrian was shot down by the IL. It would be elementary to say that it was the Israelis who personally shot down the IL. And the examination of the wreckage would be and all that jazz. Was it for nothing that the Russian military police arrested everyone there? To this day, no one has come out. This is not to blurt out something else. It is impossible, after all, to admit publicly that the crooked "partners" have done complete garbage.
              All the talk that the Israeli F-16s covered themselves with a Russian plane is meaningless, not only because it is technically impossible, but primarily because they were gone in the sky over Syria for a long time when the Il-20 was shot down. The Israeli attack took place at about 22:00, and, according to Russian official media, citing information from the Ministry of Defense, the reconnaissance plane disappeared from the radar at about 23:00. However, on September 23, the "official conclusion of the Ministry of Defense" appears, which already states that the Israeli attack took place from 21:40, and the Il-20 was shot down at 22:07. Moved event by the hour - and here is a version for you.
              Poor Bashar Khafizovich did not sleep for three days and three nights, everything listened for the sound of the tramp of Russian paratroopers on the carpet of palace corridors. Then cautiously, expressed condolences. Although, as it turned out, he was in vain. Russia awarded Assad for the Russian aircraft he shot down with the delivery of the C-300 air defense system. Well, that should have been waiting. hi
              1. Ra-ra
                Ra-ra 5 October 2018 19: 41
                +11
                The simplest of all, the most correct, if without details (Israel has only words in fact), it turns out that there was no way for the attack to begin an attack in the zone of the Russian Federation. That's all. This pofigizm and resulted in tragedy. Here at least that the city, it is. One must have eggs to admit their mistakes. Russian weapons still show themselves. And the arrogance and holding us for the stupid still comes around, the 15 guys on the conscience of Israel.
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov 5 October 2018 22: 10
                  +3
                  Quote: Ra-Ra
                  The simplest of all, the most correct, if without details (Israel has only words in fact), it turns out that there was no way for the attack to begin an attack in the zone of the Russian Federation. That's all. This pofigizm and resulted in tragedy. Here at least that the city, it is. One must have eggs to admit their mistakes. Russian weapons still show themselves. And the arrogance and holding us for the stupid still comes around, the 15 guys on the conscience of Israel.

                  Sorry guys. But why send new ones there? On the S-300 transferred to Syria, they are going to be held virtually hostage. A kind of "human shield" in the vain hope that Israel will not dare to take serious action. Vain chores. If the S-300 will interfere with the Israelis, they will simply sweep them away. Alas ... the S-300 are seeds for the Israelis. They had been preparing for a confrontation with such air defense systems for twenty years. Israel simply observes the rules of good manners and does not show the whole world that the S-300 cannot do anything against the IDF Air Force.
                  Although, I see that everything will be easier. The Israelis will call and publicly say that in 40 (forty!) C-300 will be covered in minutes. I really hope that this time, this time will be enough for the Russian command to take its people out of the blow.
                  And if this was only a theoretical argument, I know one personal motive that will motivate the Jewish Air Force to prove a potential opportunity in practice and with all its crushing, even indicative, convincingness.
                  This is the Air Force commander Amikam Norkin. He will not forget his trip to Moscow. Honored combat pilot, confident in the rightness of their children, the general probably went on this voyage with a heavy heart. Only the order of the prime minister and the state's need to settle an undesirable incident forced him to sacrifice his pride and fly to the Russian capital with redundant, in general, explanations - in fact, apologies.
                  And he was declared a liar there.
                  I don’t know who is Shoigu’s advisor on Israeli affairs, but he made a big psychological mistake. In the Israeli army, as in any other, a lot of mess. Not everyone is doing everything right, often making mistakes, doing stupid things and hard offenses. Everything is forgiven, except for one thing: lying is impossible. Lying is the most shameful thing for an Israeli officer. In the Air Force - the elite not only of the army, but also of society - this is at the level of instinct.
                  The stigma of a liar who was awarded to the General of the Air Force Norkin in Moscow is an insult which I am sure will not be able to demolish. Duels have long been canceled. Now it’s a matter of honor for him to pay off the offenders with the weapons he has. And he has.
                  C-300, if they really end up in Syria, in a bad position. They have a personal enemy in Israel who will be assigned to deal with them according to their positions.

                  hi
                  1. Ra-ra
                    Ra-ra 5 October 2018 22: 22
                    +3
                    S-300 is a hint and gain, no more. Look wider. In which case, if our officers suffer, every night you will fall asleep under sirens. For the Turks, after the plane, NATO pressed their ears and screamed themselves understand. The arrogance of Israel does not see the obvious, no one will risk because of you. This is alas a reality. Destiny of Israel to spread rot for the sake of the USA No one can help for more.
                  2. 2329 Carpenter
                    2329 Carpenter 5 October 2018 22: 54
                    +4
                    [Although, it seems to me that everything will be easier. The Israelis will call and publicly say that in 40 (forty!) Minutes the S-300 will be covered. I really hope that this time, this time will be enough for the Russian command to take its people out of attack. b] [/ b]
                    Presumptuous. To put it mildly.
                    1. Norkin could have endured and called the incident in Moscow, if it was, "a working moment."
                    2. Now Norkin, according to the above opinion, will amuse his vanity and ambitions.
                    This is wrong for the state of Israel.
                    3. Israel, like the rest of humanity, is not seven spans in the forehead. And made of the same as the rest of humanity.
                    4. Russia will be something to answer.
                  3. Grits
                    Grits 6 October 2018 04: 37
                    0
                    The S-300s will interfere with the Israelis - they will simply sweep them away. Alas ... S-300 for Israelis - seeds. They have been preparing for a confrontation with such air defense systems for about twenty years.
                    Alas, but here I am ready to agree with a friend from Israel. If there are no 4 - 6 S-300 divisions covered by "Armor", "Buk" and "Torah", the Jews will really sweep them away. They are 4 S-300 launchers, which were put there simply in mockery. just to make sure how the Jews will endure them without problems.
                  4. VO3A
                    VO3A 6 October 2018 17: 09
                    +1
                    After they cover the S-300, the whole of Israel will be covered - like seeds... They are not hostage They are insurers against stupidity, or rather the guarantors of Israel ... They will not be and the state of the Jews will end ....
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                1. jonht
                  jonht 6 October 2018 01: 36
                  +3
                  So, do not read comets and do not write them on our sites ....
                  With normal people there is something to discuss and something to argue about ....
                  And yet, yes, there are causal relationships to the question, what was the first egg or chicken, each has its own answer.
                  According to our version, the first was a provocative attack of your aircraft .... Refute this.
              3. Grits
                Grits 6 October 2018 04: 33
                +2
                If there are several logical explanations for a phenomenon, it should be considered true, as you rightly noted, the simplest of them.
                The simplest logical question is - why the hell did Jewish planes fly around Syria and bomb its territory? Indeed, according to your logic, if there were no Jewish aircraft, then there would be no Syrian S-200 and there would be no Russian Il-20. Dot.
              4. efimich41
                efimich41 4 November 2018 20: 18
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                A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov) October 5, 2018 19:06
                -8
                By your comment you simply state that you are in the 5th column, distorting the obvious facts. I advise you to look carefully at the briefing of the Russian Aerospace Forces and not to lie on the forum.
        2. keeper03
          keeper03 5 October 2018 17: 56
          +3
          Everything is very simple ! USA "fought" with the USSR, now it is fighting with the Russian Federation, but not herself, substituting other countries - they are pawns in the hands of the United States and somehow the Americans will do what is beneficial to them! The confrontation is growing! angry soldier
        3. Zina389
          Zina389 5 October 2018 18: 04
          0
          so long ago they were planning to deliver with - 300 just waiting for a reason. Not this one would be so different. It could have been without Israel at all. and punish not those who are to blame, but those who are profitable. Although it will be seen if Russian instructors do not allow the Syrians to shoot, it will even be a gift, not a punishment.
          1. genisis
            genisis 5 October 2018 18: 14
            +13
            Do you seriously think that the S-300 is the punishment that Russia will punish Israel for the death of 15 of its good guys? You're wrong. S-300 suggests that we will not lose our guys anymore due to such a setup. And Israel will be punished much more sophisticatedly. The Israelis will for a long time wonder why various cataclysms began to occur, beating in their painful places. Then remember the Testament. "An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth".
            PS For the supply of the S-300, no reason was needed. We voluntarily went to your meeting in order to get mutual benefits. You have made the decision to lose our trust. So I'm trying to understand why?
            1. zhekazs
              zhekazs 5 October 2018 19: 41
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              I will say more. So it’s clear why there are only 4 PUs. Everything is exactly from the Caspian Sea and the Tartus raid - Caliber ... Wherever you enter, they will fly there ..
            2. Zina389
              Zina389 6 October 2018 14: 50
              -1
              was there trust? Israel had no confidence in Russia. Iranian supplies were roofed and invited to the parade. They did not report half an hour before the attack, because hezbals warned the terrorists.
        4. flicker
          flicker 5 October 2018 18: 29
          +1
          why did the Israelis go for it? What scenario was this action part of? The Israelis are not like the people in the saying "spitefully frostbite my ears to my grandmother."
          The United States, as the world hegemon, has appointed Israel the "overseer" for the BW, i.e. a Middle Eastern gendarme. Israel liked this role: to kick everyone and still receive various "nishtyaks" for it - weapons, billions of dollars, veto on the UN decision. So the habit of permissiveness slowly began to form, then it got stronger - like, I want to do it (in the comments, the Israelis threaten to smash the base in Khmeimim - this bravado is a consequence of the habit). With the arrival of Russia, the habit began to break, which is a very unpleasant process. The question arose: how to continue to be impudent (to perform the functions of a gendarme) and at the same time not touch Russia?
          Two factors combined: Iran has a threat to Israel and the fact that Russia (an additional conflict is not needed by the warring against terrorists. They started to use it, in the beginning, carefully, then everything was more impudent and impudent ... in the end, they intentionally substituted the IL-20 under the Syrian Air Defense: As if masterly and ridiculous, and most importantly they were sure, we were SURE again that Russia itself would let things go on the hindrance (it would not benefit from an extra conflict), as it usually happened.
          But the situation turned in the opposite direction. Israel until the last was sure that Moscow would not aggravate. But ... and the old woman is a bummer.
          In short, Israel's Jewish arrogance, a stupid habit of impudent, let Israel down.
          1. zhekazs
            zhekazs 5 October 2018 20: 09
            +4
            It's like that, must the people of Israel, the national team of "Egypt", coach Moiseyev, a little back.
            I’m the only one I’ll say for them and can also be against them
            Quote: flicker
            in the end, intentionally framed IL-20

            They could situationally substitute our Il. I don’t want to say such disgusting things, but I’ll say: what if there weren’t IL-20, but IL-96 TD, Boeing-767 with passengers ??? Who was that pilot who would not have escaped the rocket, hiding overboard with three hundred civilians with suitcases in which swimsuits and swimming masks on board ??? That and that, hid in one aircraft, with the same success they could arrange MH17 version 2.0. Pike, they forgot the Second World War, on whose money (dollars) indirectly sponsored by the 3rd Reich, the war was fought where they were poisoned like rats and who pulled them out and released them, now they serve them, they forgot Stalin, 1948, they don’t remember, Abrams not remembering kinship. Apparently, only 100% of Judas’s DNA remained in their people, it’s not in vain that their nation is called that. But betraying right and left will fail. Planet Earth, because, round. And we Russians remember both good and bad. (Russians are for the Jews, those who live in Russia, it doesn’t matter, Tatar, Russian, Bashkir, Yakut - all of ours - ours are our creed)
            1. Zina389
              Zina389 6 October 2018 14: 55
              -1
              such as you served as policemen, and my grandfather, a Jew, fought for two years with the Nazis for the Russians. but not for people like you.
        5. TOR2
          TOR2 5 October 2018 18: 31
          +1
          Quote: genisis
          And Israel, by its actions, sharply raises the stakes. Why? Why did the Israelis do this right now?

          You are trying to find logic in a jamb, and to be precise, this is a jamb in a cube. Our people mowed down because they did not properly monitor the situation around the base. The IDF falcons apparently decided to take advantage of the situation with the IL-20 approaching and did some further research in the hope that the long-range air defense systems would not work on them, but in the medium range they won’t come in. The fanfarons at the S-200 consoles were apparently overexcited so that they forgot about the situation when you must work with range.
          Serious showdowns of the closed type were in three places, only no one will say about it openly. And now naturally all parties shift responsibility to each other.
        6. zhekazs
          zhekazs 5 October 2018 19: 36
          0
          Damn it, but you did give us a completely different calculation.
          I will say this, developing your idea, then Israel, in turn for Erdogan, wants to break away from the States ...?
          1. flicker
            flicker 5 October 2018 22: 22
            0
            wants to break away from the States ...?
            Rather, he wants to regain his US custody relationship. So that their states as before were poured with loot and would not demand from them actions threatening the existence of Israel.
        7. Yeah
          Yeah 5 October 2018 20: 42
          0
          there is also option 5 (the trick of the flyers) - the special operation is being developed much earlier than it is being carried out, from where Israel could know in advance about the IL-20, but the PILOTS knowing the data about the flight of IL-20 in their area of ​​operation could use these conditions (in the hope that the Syrians will not open fire to the Russians, or they will bring down but not us (Israel)). it is clear that the leadership of the Israeli Air Force was not expected at such an EFFECT (in the political sense), therefore they had to come and bow to Russia, but instead of SORRY, we heard that we were guilty.
        8. 2329 Carpenter
          2329 Carpenter 5 October 2018 22: 40
          -2
          The Israeli commander could voice a separate, um ... request. Private people in private.
          And man is weak. Whoever he is.
      2. dolfi1
        dolfi1 6 October 2018 03: 47
        0
        "Mestny
        On the Internet, they are already in full swing with Russia "
        They read comments on VO, and now they are at war with your trolls. Our media is bastardizing with this and adding water to the fire, as well as yours. Adequate people think differently, but many consider all this a setup. In my opinion, everyone will be let down on the brakes. And the story is muddy, it is strange that ours did not publish their version of the incident, apparently Putin and Netanyahu agreed on something. All those responsible for the story of Il were arrested, it is unlikely that there will be any kind of infa. I think a deaf affair, unless there is a new crisis in relations between Russia and Israel.
        1. Grits
          Grits 6 October 2018 04: 51
          +1
          All those responsible for the story of Il were arrested
          Something I do not really believe in the tale of the arrests, especially the Syrian air defense. They did their job of protecting the country. Simple Jews were trickier and meaner than they expected.
    2. al.chernota64
      al.chernota64 5 October 2018 19: 15
      +1
      If Israel doesn’t take any action, then their whole game of invisibility
      it's a bluff! The ball is on their side and the rejection of action is their defeat and F-35. There cannot be anything!
      1. Totah155 Mk 2
        Totah155 Mk 2 5 October 2018 21: 41
        -1
        Quote: al.chernota64
        If Israel doesn’t take any action, then their whole game of invisibility
        it's a bluff! The ball is on their side and the rejection of action is their defeat and F-35. There cannot be anything!

        What did you want to say, my dear?
        1. LMN
          LMN 5 October 2018 23: 33
          +5
          Quote: Totah155 Mk 2
          Quote: al.chernota64
          If Israel doesn’t take any action, then their whole game of invisibility
          it's a bluff! The ball is on their side and the rejection of action is their defeat and F-35. There cannot be anything!

          What did you want to say, my dear?

          If I understood correctly, he means that after the statements of the officials of Israel, I will have to prove in practice that "the S-300 is bullshit", "the Russian Federation is bullshit" and that Israel will continue to do the same as before! yes

          And something I very much doubt it, like him. what
          1. Andrey Panov
            Andrey Panov 6 October 2018 07: 37
            +1
            And the Arabs have already taken first place! Pens rubbing! laughing
  5. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 5 October 2018 15: 50
    +8
    "Hanegbi said that the operational capabilities of the Israeli Air Force are such that the S-300s do not actually limit their effectiveness" - why then are there so many yells from Israel and the US ???
    1. high
      high 5 October 2018 16: 07
      -4
      Israeli military believes the S-300 is not a problem for them, but politicians fear that the S-300 would not hit civilian aircraft, because the airport is not far away ... Russian civilian planes also land there ...
      1. Jerk
        Jerk 5 October 2018 16: 15
        +1
        Well, the passenger liner will crash, what is it? The United States, I remember, felt quite well when it shot down the Iranian, then Bush awarded the commander for three hundred civilian corpses, what should politicians worry about?
      2. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 5 October 2018 17: 04
        -2
        Quote: alta
        Israeli military believes the S-300 is not a problem for them, but politicians fear that the S-300 would not hit civilian aircraft, because the airport is not far away ... Russian civilian planes also land there ...

        This option has long been voiced, substitute a civilian side, you already have experience, and there will be a howl for the whole world. So you need to close the skies over Israel, so as not to get on the civilian side, is it logical?
        1. Totah155 Mk 2
          Totah155 Mk 2 5 October 2018 21: 43
          0
          Quote: MKPU-115
          Quote: alta
          Israeli military believes the S-300 is not a problem for them, but politicians fear that the S-300 would not hit civilian aircraft, because the airport is not far away ... Russian civilian planes also land there ...

          This option has long been voiced, substitute a civilian side, you already have experience, and there will be a howl for the whole world. So you need to close the skies over Israel, so as not to get on the civilian side, is it logical?

          Then the sky over Cyprus and Turkey. Eio is closer. Do you remember the cards?
          Forward. The flag is in your hands.
          1. MKPU-115
            MKPU-115 6 October 2018 01: 09
            0
            Quote: Totah155 Mk 2
            Quote: MKPU-115
            Quote: alta
            Israeli military believes the S-300 is not a problem for them, but politicians fear that the S-300 would not hit civilian aircraft, because the airport is not far away ... Russian civilian planes also land there ...

            This option has long been voiced, substitute a civilian side, you already have experience, and there will be a howl for the whole world. So you need to close the skies over Israel, so as not to get on the civilian side, is it logical?

            Then the sky over Cyprus and Turkey. Eio is closer. Do you remember the cards?
            Forward. The flag is in your hands.

            Artful Jews again want to turn arrows on their neighbors, then Syria is to blame for them with Iran, now they are worried about Turkey and Cyprus.
      3. Grits
        Grits 6 October 2018 04: 54
        0
        Israeli military believes the S-300 is not a problem for them, but politicians fear that the S-300 would not hit civilian aircraft, because the airport is not far away ... Russian civilian planes also land there ...
        It’s difficult as with gray matter. Although, it is not surprising - Canada’s proximity to politicians that spew such pearls is affecting, and the infection is transmitted very quickly.
  6. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 5 October 2018 15: 52
    +1
    "This should demonstrate the determination of the United States and Israel" - more precisely, Israel needs to work out 38 US lards.
  7. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 5 October 2018 15: 52
    +6
    Israeli portal DEBKA.
    Israeli comrades, correct me, but it seems this is a cooler resource "Speed-Info"! laughing
    1. Yngvar
      Yngvar 5 October 2018 16: 28
      0
      "Pgavdivy" portal "venal DEBKA" ... What else are they going to scare? Another SOI program?
      However, our intelligence will have something to do.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 5 October 2018 16: 34
      +3
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Israeli portal DEBKA.
      Israeli comrades, correct me, but it seems this is a cooler resource "Speed-Info"! laughing

      Much cooler. good
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 5 October 2018 16: 38
      +5
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Israeli portal DEBKA.
      Israeli comrades, correct me, but it seems this is a cooler resource "Speed-Info"! laughing

      A mixture of Rain on the left and REN TV on the reliability.
      1. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 5 October 2018 17: 05
        +1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        Israeli portal DEBKA.
        Israeli comrades, correct me, but it seems this is a cooler resource "Speed-Info"! laughing

        A mixture of Rain on the left and REN TV on the reliability.

        But what a sensation! fellow
      2. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 5 October 2018 17: 28
        +3
        So I assumed that bullshit was to push their work, I even knew. However, the conclusions were made "correct" and the commentators began to fervently throw caps, so as not to refute misinformation, but to confirm the most dumb commercial order, because. the IDF's emergency delivery of raw F-35s / in which you also want to stick a lot of your electronic-on-board priblud / looks ridiculous. However, technical issues are not the most important in the context of the discussion / although they are cornerstone and destroy the whole meaning of further discussions of facts from "debki". The guys simply express their attitude to the development of the NATO program of fifth generation aircraft. There are more and more of them, so the emphasis in criticism is on the imaginary quality. I think that the F-35 is a very dangerous enemy, more dangerous than the F-sixteen, that is. to. integrated into the modern NATO combat network, is one of its pillars in terms of combat power. It's like scolding the Messerschmitt Bf.109, although something similar was born in the Soviet design bureaus.
        1. Yeah
          Yeah 5 October 2018 20: 49
          0
          You slightly confuse the concepts of the S-300 and Syrian air defense system in addition to the S-300, you probably listened to Putin inappropriately that before the S-300 and Syria, electronic warfare systems were delivered, that is, deliveries go to air defense systems, but about the operation of electronic warfare Syria can ask the SHA flyers, it was a squeal that the Russians had covered Syria with a dome, so now this DOME will be larger.
      3. Grandfather Fichteau
        Grandfather Fichteau 5 October 2018 21: 58
        -1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        Israeli portal DEBKA.
        Israeli comrades, correct me, but it seems this is a cooler resource "Speed-Info"! laughing

        A mixture of Rain on the left and REN TV on the reliability.

        Krasnodar, and you on what Jewish sites communicate supposedly VO ..?
        Throw off the buzzer link? hi
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 5 October 2018 22: 13
          0
          Quote: Grandfather Fir
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          Israeli portal DEBKA.
          Israeli comrades, correct me, but it seems this is a cooler resource "Speed-Info"! laughing

          A mixture of Rain on the left and REN TV on the reliability.

          Krasnodar, and you on what Jewish sites communicate supposedly VO ..?
          Throw off the buzzer link? hi

          I communicate with anyone only on this site, Vitaliy))
          1. Grandfather Fichteau
            Grandfather Fichteau 5 October 2018 22: 26
            0
            Quote: Krasnodar
            I communicate with anyone only on this site, Vitaliy))

            Got it, similarly .. hi They squeeze me out here, but I am against ..))))
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 5 October 2018 22: 29
              -1
              You won’t be able to squeeze you out, you are the mascot of this site! )))
              Personally, I am opposed to your departure, although I practically disagree with you on anything.
          2. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 5 October 2018 22: 31
            0
            Quote: Krasnodar
            I communicate with anyone only on this site, Vitaliy))

            Aha ha!
        2. brigadier
          brigadier 5 October 2018 22: 19
          -1
          There is a waronline. org
          Sometimes forummotor. israelinfo. co. il
          This is a forum of Russian-speaking motorists, but the military topic is also discussed there.
          Come on in.
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 5 October 2018 22: 39
            +2
            Mashak Mamterot ... waronline is perhaps the most glorious and comprehensive, there is still an interesting radio in the cities, but there it depends on the translator, the flow, and the translator is always lame, enemies are spary and hebrew ...)))
  8. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 5 October 2018 15: 53
    +2
    Now the confrontation is inevitable ..... it remains to wait now when one side will provoke, and the other will respond ...
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 5 October 2018 15: 58
        0
        So it will be, if only our competently answered, otherwise everyone is waiting for when the S-300 screw up ....
    2. Kurare
      Kurare 5 October 2018 17: 49
      0
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Now confrontation is inevitable ...

      The stakes are gigantic! If the S-300 fails at least one "invisibility", Lockheed Martin shares can be searched for in the trash can, and a queue will line up for the C-kami for ten liters ahead. The opposite option is also possible, although undesirable.

      Wait and see! The best weapon is one whose existence is sufficient for no one to use their own.
      1. Totah155 Mk 2
        Totah155 Mk 2 5 October 2018 21: 47
        +2
        Quote: Kurare
        Quote: Alexey-74
        Now confrontation is inevitable ...

        The stakes are gigantic! If the S-300 fails at least one "invisibility", Lockheed Martin shares can be searched for in the trash can, and a queue will line up for the C-kami for ten liters ahead.

        Blessed is he who believes ...
        1. Kurare
          Kurare 6 October 2018 23: 12
          0
          Quote: Totah155 Mk 2
          Blessed is he who believes ...

          Is there any other theory or just trolling?
  9. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 5 October 2018 15: 53
    +1
    A friend will not leave in trouble?
    The states, in their usual manner, immediately decided to extend the oil into the fire!
  10. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 5 October 2018 15: 55
    0
    Doubt about the ability of the S -300 to fight the F-35?
    Want to check?
    1. Totah155 Mk 2
      Totah155 Mk 2 5 October 2018 21: 48
      -1
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      Doubt about the ability of the S -300 to fight the F-35?
      Want to check?

      Aha
  11. shans2
    shans2 5 October 2018 15: 56
    0
    Storks for F-35 are already prepared. I like the F-35, slow, with a maximum speed below 2 thousand km / h. To leave such a rocket is unrealistic.
    1. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 5 October 2018 16: 03
      +2
      for them, a banal crow will be enough, of those that are engaged in flight overhaul of engines by climbing into it wassat
    2. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 5 October 2018 16: 05
      0
      Quote: shans2
      Storks for F-35 are already prepared. I like the F-35, slow, with a maximum speed below 2 thousand km / h. To leave such a rocket is unrealistic.

      But he is not visible? wassat
      Israel does not see him .... The United States confirms that it seems that they do not see it either, the stork did not see it either, therefore, it crashed into it.
      1. FOBOSS
        FOBOSS 5 October 2018 16: 58
        0
        Stork ??? why not an ostrich? wink It will be larger
        1. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 5 October 2018 17: 06
          0
          Quote: FOBOSS
          Stork ??? why not an ostrich? wink It will be larger

          The ostrich will crash into it when the airfield with the F-35 is covered.
  12. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 5 October 2018 16: 01
    +1
    once said `` deffka '', then we sit on the sofa, and together we believe her wassat
    1. Totah155 Mk 2
      Totah155 Mk 2 5 October 2018 21: 49
      -2
      Quote: ANCIENT
      once said `` deffka '', then we sit on the sofa, and together we believe her wassat

      Everything is clear with you.
      Keep on believing.
      You will sleep better
  13. Zina389
    Zina389 5 October 2018 16: 01
    -7
    you need to train with an eye on Iran. A better training partner than Syrian air defense in conditions close to the military and can not be found. By the way, there were reports that Israeli operations in Syria took place in the last days ...
    1. shans2
      shans2 5 October 2018 16: 07
      +2
      Iran will train for you directly from Syria, under the guise of Assad, will send you Fateh 110 in merchandise quantities at military airfields so that you do not vomit. All the campaign is already waiting for this. Come in, clowns.
      1. Grits
        Grits 6 October 2018 05: 12
        +1
        Iran will train for you directly from Syria, under the guise of Assad, will send you Fateh 110 in merchandise quantities at military airfields so that you do not vomit. All the campaign is already waiting for this. Come in, clowns.
        Iran needs in this case to zero out all Israel's airfields. Including spare and civil. Better yet, destroy all planes with one massive missile strike. And Israel has a lot of planes. The fourth largest in the world in terms of quantity. Otherwise, these "clowns" will freely fly to Iran and the situation will be exactly the opposite. Horns and legs will remain from the military infrastructure of Iran.
    2. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 5 October 2018 16: 08
      0
      Quote: Zina389
      you need to train with an eye on Iran. A better training partner than Syrian air defense in conditions close to the military and can not be found. By the way, there were reports that Israeli operations in Syria took place in the last days ...

      Ours will also train with an eye on the states. Let's get started.
    3. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 5 October 2018 16: 16
      +1
      zinoviy-on the C300, not the Syrians are sitting, but our calculations are completely, look, do not outsmart yourself. Moreover, the C300 is not there on its own, but a local air defense system is being rapidly created, where the `` tori '', '', beeches '', and other kolmplexes ...
    4. high
      high 5 October 2018 16: 21
      +2
      The US and Russia do not hide the fact that Syria is a military training ground where weapons are checked and refined.
      1. Totah155 Mk 2
        Totah155 Mk 2 5 October 2018 21: 52
        +1
        Quote: alta
        The US and Russia do not hide the fact that Syria is a military training ground where weapons are checked and refined.

        Well, yes, the United States and Russia are testing weapons, and we are simply working on Iranian goals in the SAR.
  14. Larum
    Larum 5 October 2018 16: 05
    0
    Ah, the grandmother said in two ...
  15. 501Legion
    501Legion 5 October 2018 16: 05
    +1
    I remember over f117, too, that they were stealing that he was inconspicuous and knocked him down with a stick) so that it happens to the old woman. You yourself know that
  16. Jerk
    Jerk 5 October 2018 16: 06
    +2
    can't even track stealth fighters

    It seems that in Yugoslavia, the "inconspicuous" have already been tracked, and nifiga not the S-300. Yes, and the Raptor tracked not at all the radar of the S-300 complex, but a tiny one onboard near Sushka.
    And once again, since it can’t track, what is such a panic? laughing If I couldn’t, four untracked ones were enough for 4 launchers with a slide ...
    Themselves stupid people, and sing songs - designed purely for the same. Already horror, and such downs for Jews in ministers. "Poor Cheka, they think that all Jews are smart, but we know that every second Jew is a fool!" The series is so Ukrainian, "Makhno"
  17. Piramidon
    Piramidon 5 October 2018 16: 10
    +4
    Interestingly, the "democratic" media do not hear screams about the supply of these Fu-35s to Israel, but as soon as Russia began to supply S-300 to Syria, the hubbub was raised, like in a bird market. request
    1. high
      high 5 October 2018 16: 26
      -6
      The Syrian S-300s are located near the airport of Israel and the world rightly fears that they could bring down a civilian plane, including and Russian.
      According to aviators, they studied the S-300 in Greece and this installation does not pose a danger to them ....
      1. StudentVK
        StudentVK 5 October 2018 16: 39
        0
        Shoigu has already said that they will be given the latest Baikal air defense control system, etc. So that the identification will be excellent) Don’t you say that the entire c200 complex, which is in service with the CAA, is better than what we are now transferring to them! It's like they had a slanting Kalash, and now they will send a sniper) The C200s were still delivered to Syria under Brezhnev) The Jews understandable horseradish have thoroughly studied it) For more than forty years now, the SAA has been in service! Israel already has planes two generations higher than Syrian air defense. And now I wonder how they will fly)))
        1. Totah155 Mk 2
          Totah155 Mk 2 5 October 2018 21: 55
          -3
          Quote: StudentVK
          Shoigu has already said that they will be given the latest Baikal air defense control system, etc. So that the identification will be excellent) Don’t you say that the entire c200 complex, which is in service with the CAA, is better than what we are now transferring to them! It's like they had a slanting Kalash, and now they will send a sniper) The C200s were still delivered to Syria under Brezhnev) The Jews understandable horseradish have thoroughly studied it) For more than forty years now, the SAA has been in service! Israel already has planes two generations higher than Syrian air defense. And now I wonder how they will fly)))

          Student, your comparisons are stupid.
          Many airlines have already changed their flight routes.
          Take to the west.
          Fear monkeys (and not only) with a grenade.
          1. Grits
            Grits 6 October 2018 05: 17
            +1
            Fear monkeys (and not only) with a grenade.
            Most likely, they are afraid of other monkeys with a grenade, which provoke the first.
      2. Mestny
        Mestny 5 October 2018 16: 39
        -2
        Well, that is, the "mir" believes that the Russians are armless, stupid savages who got some dangerous weapons from somewhere?
        What was required of you to hear.
        Just in case, let me remind you - underestimating the enemy usually threatens with catastrophe.
      3. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 5 October 2018 17: 08
        0
        Quote: alta
        The Syrian S-300s are located near the airport of Israel and the world rightly fears that they could bring down a civilian plane, including and Russian.
        According to aviators, they studied the S-300 in Greece and this installation does not pose a danger to them ....

        It is urgent to close the sky over Israel, otherwise the hexagonal pilots will substitute the civilian side, they already have experience in this petty business.
        1. mr_Flint
          mr_Flint 5 October 2018 17: 22
          +2
          start immediately without leaving the kitchen
          1. Totah155 Mk 2
            Totah155 Mk 2 5 October 2018 21: 56
            -3
            Quote: mr_Flint
            start immediately without leaving the kitchen

            How can you get away from Hawthorn?
            1. MKPU-115
              MKPU-115 6 October 2018 01: 16
              +2
              Quote: Totah155 Mk 2
              Quote: mr_Flint
              start immediately without leaving the kitchen

              How can you get away from Hawthorn?

              Well, Ukrainians climbed out; wassat
            2. Grits
              Grits 6 October 2018 05: 19
              +1
              How can you get away from Hawthorn?
              It seems that he himself has not yet forgotten how the non-kosher Royal lacquered ...
          2. MKPU-115
            MKPU-115 6 October 2018 01: 15
            0
            Quote: mr_Flint
            start immediately without leaving the kitchen

            I’m not in the kitchen, in the kitchen I don’t have a sofa, he is in the rest room of the operational staff.
            1. mr_Flint
              mr_Flint 9 October 2018 16: 25
              -1
              So you go straight from the KP to the Internet? Where is it? And the depth? And this, hear the soldier, do you have a cycloid?
              1. MKPU-115
                MKPU-115 11 October 2018 19: 54
                0
                Quote: mr_Flint
                So you go straight from the KP to the Internet? Where is it? And the depth? And this, hear the soldier, do you have a cycloid?

                Curious Barbara ....
      4. Piramidon
        Piramidon 5 October 2018 17: 24
        0
        Quote: alta
        Syrian S-300 are located near the airport of Israel

        No need to drive the blizzard. They also didn’t take them to positions, and you have already placed them near some airport. negative
    2. StudentVK
      StudentVK 5 October 2018 16: 42
      -1
      Well etozh kosher Israel (normally treat Jews in general) they can)))
    3. LMN
      LMN 5 October 2018 23: 40
      +1
      Quote: Piramidon
      Interestingly, the "democratic" media do not hear screams about the supply of these Fu-35s to Israel, but as soon as Russia began to supply S-300 to Syria, the hubbub was raised, like in a bird market. request

      I’m on German news, just didn’t meet about the tragedy with the IL-20 and the supply of S-300 lol
      No need to escalate for no reason wink

      The media (and politicians) of the West just shut up after the news about the S-300. yes
  18. StudentVK
    StudentVK 5 October 2018 16: 31
    -1
    It seems it will be like in Egypt in the 1970s, when Israel thought that the Soviet s125 did not see their latest phantoms with EW containers))))
    1. kord0127
      kord0127 5 October 2018 18: 43
      -1
      And how it ended. 5: 0 in favor of Israel in the air, at least 1 division on the ground and the flight of the Soviet group from Egypt. Because of what Egypt and went to the United States.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 5 October 2018 19: 07
        0
        Quote: kord0127
        And how it ended. 5: 0 in favor of Israel in the air, at least 1 division on the ground and the flight of the Soviet group from Egypt. Because of what Egypt and went to the United States.

        1) Sadat asked the Soviet group from Egypt in 1972
        2) This was done not because of Rimon-20, but because of the inability to return Sinai by military means.
        3) Americans were able to persuade the Israelis to give Sinai money and diplomacy
        1. kord0127
          kord0127 5 October 2018 20: 01
          0
          In 1972, advisers were removed, and the group was just because of Rimon-20.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 5 October 2018 20: 18
            0
            No. The group was removed in 72, reduced in the 70th due to the end of the War of Attrition.
      2. Yeah
        Yeah 5 October 2018 21: 02
        +1
        yes it ended badly for you too, do not remind the name of your pilot -as, who died? and on June 30, 1970, the first American Phantom aircraft was shot down, about the indestructibility and perfection of which the Americans told the whole world. In total, ten American aircraft that were in service with Israel were shot down and three were knocked down from June 30 to August 3. Only on August 3, two of our divisions, which were covering military installations in the Ismail area on the Suez Canal, shot down three Israeli planes and knocked out two. After that Israel turned to Egypt with a request to sign a peace treaty. Yes, our troops did not run away, but WITHDRAWED, especially since the United States proposed a peace treaty (Rogers Plan), so our military has nothing to do (at least read Wikipedia!)
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 5 October 2018 22: 20
          -1
          It is surprising that ISRAEL turned to Egypt with a request for peace, because this war (to exhaustion) began Nasser in the hope of thus returning Sinai. It would be so good, for the Arabs, the war would not stop.
  19. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 5 October 2018 16: 36
    0
    DEBKA is an Israeli analogue of “Rain” and “Echo of Moscow”.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 5 October 2018 16: 47
      0
      So then it is.
      And they are yellow liberal media and yellow liberal media in Africa.
      However, sometimes it is only there that information may appear that the media of "other" shades "will not publish for political and other" common "reasons.
      It should be filtered, but you should not refuse to consider such materials as possible versions.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 5 October 2018 16: 57
        -1
        Like in “people in black?” )))
  20. NEXUS
    NEXUS 5 October 2018 16: 43
    +2
    I think that in the near future BUKi M3 of the latest modifications will go to Syria in addition to the S-300 Torah and Carapace.
    1. Totah155 Mk 2
      Totah155 Mk 2 5 October 2018 22: 00
      -3
      Quote: NEXUS
      I think that in the near future BUKi M3 of the latest modifications will go to Syria in addition to the S-300 Torah and Carapace.

      .... and then, suddenly, a video appears on the network with missiles ...
  21. kventinasd
    kventinasd 5 October 2018 16: 49
    +3
    That is, the Americans themselves are already afraid to fly over Syria even on the "invisible" F-35s. Do they prefer to test their "invisibles" on experimental Jews?
    1. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 5 October 2018 17: 11
      0
      Quote: kventinasd
      That is, the Americans themselves are already afraid to fly over Syria even on the "invisible" F-35s. Do they prefer to test their "invisibles" on experimental Jews?

      Jews are not experimental rabbits fool they are sixes. tfu damn, US partners laughing
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    2. Totah155 Mk 2
      Totah155 Mk 2 5 October 2018 22: 01
      -4
      Quote: kventinasd
      That is, the Americans themselves are already afraid to fly over Syria even on the "invisible" F-35s. Do they prefer to test their "invisibles" on experimental Jews?

      All who are not lazy fly over Syria.
      1. kventinasd
        kventinasd 5 October 2018 22: 17
        0
        Flies with mosquitoes fly there too, but the CA does not cause any special problems.
        Now, as soon as they try to spoil, the fly swatter will work quickly.
  22. flicker
    flicker 5 October 2018 16: 50
    +2
    Hanegbi said that the Israeli Air Force’s operational capabilities are such that C-300 doesn’t actually limit their effectiveness, since they allegedly "cannot even be traced by subtle fighters."

    Well, twenty-five again ... the question is not about the capabilities of the S-300, but about cool hot heads. If the S-300 does not cool, then the Iskanders and Caliber will cool.
    All the time the question is transferred to the technical plane, but it is not technical - it is political. The Minister of Defense of the nuclear power, said he would cool the hot heads. To cool these heads will be the lives of the Israelites. Question: How many lives must Israel give before these heads cool down.
    I understand Americans, they do not like to risk their lives, even the lives of African Americans, for this they use the lives of others. Recently, they promoted their interests with the lives of Arabs (more broadly, Muslims), but in Syria this tactic was defeated, now it has been decided to throw the Jews into the battle (for American interests) (they are of course still the warriors, but "even a shred of wool from the black sheep "). Now the Jews, who watched with a grin as the Arabs beat each other, themselves (perhaps, to the grin of the Saudis) will give their lives for the interests of the United States.
    For that fought for it and ran.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 5 October 2018 17: 02
      +3
      If the S-300 does not cool, then the Iskanders and Caliber will cool.

      The mere fact that the C300 was delivered may not give the expected effect.
      But effective application in the relevant situation may well.
      Enough will.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 5 October 2018 17: 05
      -2
      Quote: flicker

      Well, twenty-five again ... the question is not about the capabilities of the S-300, but about cool hot heads. If the S-300 does not cool, then the Iskanders and Caliber will cool.
      All the time the question is transferred to the technical plane, but it is not technical - it is political. The Minister of Defense of the nuclear power, said he would cool the hot heads. To cool these heads will be the lives of the Israelites. Question: How many lives must Israel give before these heads cool down.
      I understand Americans, they do not like to risk their lives, even the lives of African Americans, for this they use the lives of others. Recently, they promoted their interests with the lives of Arabs (more broadly, Muslims), but in Syria this tactic was defeated, now it has been decided to throw the Jews into the battle (for American interests) (they are of course still the warriors, but "even a shred of wool from the black sheep "). Now the Jews, who watched with a grin as the Arabs beat each other, themselves (perhaps, to the grin of the Saudis) will give their lives for the interests of the United States.
      For that fought for it and ran.

      Iskanders with Caliber are also not a panacea, especially against the "even those warriors" of the Jews who have been really fighting for the last 70 years. The main goal of the Russian Federation is a permanent presence in the Eastern Mediterranean - i.e. naval and air force bases in Syria. A missile strike against Israel will not ward off this presence for several hours.
      1. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 5 October 2018 17: 18
        +1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Quote: flicker

        Well, twenty-five again ... the question is not about the capabilities of the S-300, but about cool hot heads. If the S-300 does not cool, then the Iskanders and Caliber will cool.
        All the time the question is transferred to the technical plane, but it is not technical - it is political. The Minister of Defense of the nuclear power, said he would cool the hot heads. To cool these heads will be the lives of the Israelites. Question: How many lives must Israel give before these heads cool down.
        I understand Americans, they do not like to risk their lives, even the lives of African Americans, for this they use the lives of others. Recently, they promoted their interests with the lives of Arabs (more broadly, Muslims), but in Syria this tactic was defeated, now it has been decided to throw the Jews into the battle (for American interests) (they are of course still the warriors, but "even a shred of wool from the black sheep "). Now the Jews, who watched with a grin as the Arabs beat each other, themselves (perhaps, to the grin of the Saudis) will give their lives for the interests of the United States.
        For that fought for it and ran.

        Iskanders with Caliber are also not a panacea, especially against the "even those warriors" of the Jews who have been really fighting for the last 70 years. The main goal of the Russian Federation is a permanent presence in the Eastern Mediterranean - i.e. naval and air force bases in Syria. A missile strike against Israel will not ward off this presence for several hours.

        It depends on what you hit .... I'm certainly not racist ...
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 5 October 2018 17: 23
          -3
          If you are talking about nuclear weapons, it is substituting Sochi, Krasnodar, Sevastopol, Novorossiysk for a retaliatory strike. Baby talk.
          1. MKPU-115
            MKPU-115 6 October 2018 01: 13
            +1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            If you are talking about nuclear weapons, it is substituting Sochi, Krasnodar, Sevastopol, Novorossiysk for a retaliatory strike. Baby talk.

            And then you do not reach? If anything, one rocket one country minus permanently and forever, so think thrice than pound on Russia.
          2. Grits
            Grits 6 October 2018 05: 27
            0
            If you are talking about nuclear weapons, it is substituting Sochi, Krasnodar, Sevastopol, Novorossiysk for a retaliatory strike.
            Do you think that the Americans will deliver this blow? Do they need it? Substitute their cities, defending the already glazed "promised land". Because after a preemptive nuclear strike on tiny Israel, there will be no one to launch missiles at our cities. And there is nothing.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 6 October 2018 16: 10
              0
              Quote: Gritsa

              Do you think that the Americans will deliver this blow? Do they need it? Substitute their cities, defending the already glazed "promised land". Because after a preemptive nuclear strike on tiny Israel, there will be no one to launch missiles at our cities. And there is nothing.

              Quote: MKPU-115

              And then you do not reach? If anything, one rocket one country minus permanently and forever, so think thrice than pound on Russia.

              1) No one in Israel is pounding on Russia. Their problems are up to their neck.
              2) To destroy Israel, about 20 missiles are needed. Given missile defense more.
              3) Even a massive nuclear strike in Israel can not be prevented
              4) Israeli rockets fly 5-6,5 thousand km, but I am more concerned about the region of my residence - Krasnodar Territory and everything nearby.
              In general, childishness - beating at someone with nuclear missiles, the joy of involving the new Russian military in the conflict between foreign countries - childhood and the absence of signs of elementary thinking.
              1. MKPU-115
                MKPU-115 6 October 2018 21: 24
                0
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Quote: Gritsa

                Do you think that the Americans will deliver this blow? Do they need it? Substitute their cities, defending the already glazed "promised land". Because after a preemptive nuclear strike on tiny Israel, there will be no one to launch missiles at our cities. And there is nothing.

                Quote: MKPU-115

                And then you do not reach? If anything, one rocket one country minus permanently and forever, so think thrice than pound on Russia.

                1) No one in Israel is pounding on Russia. Their problems are up to their neck.
                2) To destroy Israel, about 20 missiles are needed. Given missile defense more.
                3) Even a massive nuclear strike in Israel can not be prevented
                4) Israeli rockets fly 5-6,5 thousand km, but I am more concerned about the region of my residence - Krasnodar Territory and everything nearby.
                In general, childishness - beating at someone with nuclear missiles, the joy of involving the new Russian military in the conflict between foreign countries - childhood and the absence of signs of elementary thinking.

                1. Framed and killed 15 Russian officers;
                2. One many, touch the allies;
                3. I haven’t written about any nuclear strike right now, these are your speculations, but I like the way you think wink
                4. Yes, this is understandable, your shirt is closer to the body (Jewish wisdom).
                do not piss, the whole thing goes to this ....
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 6 October 2018 21: 32
                  -1
                  1) Judging by Konashenkov, 15 Russian officers led their own command into the air defense work zone for XNUMX minutes. The Syrians were shot down.
                  2) You are well versed in nuclear weapons, delivery vehicles and geography))
                  3) Yes, yes, you talked about shooting paintballs towards the Israeli border.
                  4) No one is afraid. Because in the governments of both countries there are adequate, responsible, adults. And not notorious idiots.
    3. Yeah
      Yeah 5 October 2018 21: 06
      0
      You forget Iran, we won’t even need calibers, the message that Iran fired from Iran on the territory of Syria has already passed, so we collect popcorn and OBSERVE.
    4. Zina389
      Zina389 6 October 2018 00: 21
      -1
      so far, even a downed Israeli f-16 pilot has survived. So do not roll your lip about Jewish lives.
  23. mvd ru
    mvd ru 5 October 2018 16: 56
    +1
    Quote: alta
    According to aviators, they studied the S-300 in Greece and this installation does not pose a danger to them ....

    Well then, after October 20th, Wellcome .... wink just let the catapults be lubricated before departure, otherwise you never know ... bully
    1. mr_Flint
      mr_Flint 5 October 2018 17: 24
      -3
      What will happen on October 20? Solstice, prayer move?
  24. Yngvar
    Yngvar 5 October 2018 17: 11
    -2
    "Milk brothers" - "exceptional" and "God's chosen"!
    Forgive the moderators, but the classics are straightforward - either the "God's chosen" miniet from the "exceptional" accept, then the "exclusive" anus is cleared for the "chosen of God" ...
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      1. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 6 October 2018 21: 26
        0
        Quote: dmitry.andreenko11
        But you, “God-bearers”, will be parsed by everyone, both from behind and from the front :))))

        So far we are growing lands wink
  25. faterdom
    faterdom 5 October 2018 17: 14
    +1
    Interestingly, in the States and Israel, children read H. H. Andersen ??? Or, at least in the form of comics painted? Disney cartoons publish?
    I mean the current fairy tale "The King's New Dress"?
    Or maybe the S-300 is the "boy" who will dispel the admiration of his subjects from such an expensive and such a new dress?
    From "invisibility" is meant. For the dull ones. Here, such people do not go to VO, but some comrades from some individual states are very fond of playing dull ones. As their military-industrial complex - in "invisibility".
  26. mvd ru
    mvd ru 5 October 2018 17: 26
    0
    Quote: mr_Flint
    What will happen on October 20? Solstice, prayer move?

    after 20 and I will answer laughing
    1. mr_Flint
      mr_Flint 5 October 2018 17: 36
      0
      and ... it's you. No, thanks.
  27. high
    high 5 October 2018 18: 04
    +2
    Quote: MKPU-115
    It is urgent to close the sky over Israel, otherwise the hexagonal pilots will substitute the civilian side, they already have experience in this petty business.

    This nonsense yesterday, Igor Ashurbeyli denied that the Israeli plane was hiding behind the IL-20:
    Igor Ashurbeyli at the same time named the exact distance to Israeli aircraft at the moment when they carried out the discharge of controlled bombs. According to the ex-director general of Almaz-Antey, the distance was about 100 km.

    It was about this “inaccuracy” that Russian (in particular, Air Force Colonel Alksnis) and Western professionals wrote: an Israeli plane couldn’t hide behind, Il-20 -, a smart bomb, GBU-39 was dropped from a distance of 110 km, does not use GPS. and it’s impossible to shoot it down, it is not even visible by the S-300 and S-400 radars.
    Radars and satellites showed that the time difference after a bombing attack on an Iranian base and an Il-20 shot down was more than 30 minutes. ..... Israeli planes were already at their base.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 5 October 2018 18: 30
      0
      Quote: alta

      It was about this “inaccuracy” that Russian (in particular, Air Force Colonel Alksnis) and Western professionals wrote: an Israeli plane couldn’t hide behind, Il-20 -, a smart bomb, GBU-39 was dropped from a distance of 110 km, does not use GPS. and it’s impossible to shoot it down, it is not even visible by the S-300 and S-400 radars.
      Radars and satellites showed that the time difference after a bombing attack on an Iranian base and an Il-20 shot down was more than 30 minutes. ..... Israeli planes were already at their base.

      According to Konashenkov, Israel launched an attack at 21:40. From a distance of 90 km. According to Norkin at 21:50 p.m., they made sure that they hit the target. According to Konashenkov, at 21:51, Syrian air defense opened fire on F-16, and the IL received an order to GO into the air defense work zone.
      At 22.03, a Syrian missile hit the IL.
      According to Konashenkov.
      Along with TASS and Zvezda reports about a French ship shooting, I think that Ilyushin was brought there to listen to the French radio communication channels, because preparing for NATO’s strike on the Syrians. At the same time, no one told the Arabs to cease fire.
      I don’t believe everything else.
    2. genisis
      genisis 5 October 2018 19: 06
      -2
      Ashurbeyli? Are you seriously? )))
      He could only name the cost of the rental rate for Almaz-Antey premises. And here is a gorgeous pearl: “Ashurbeyli accurately named the distance to the plane (drum roll) approximately !!!!! 100 km And about how much? 20, 47, 71, 92 - all this can be understood as “about 100 km”)))
      1. high
        high 5 October 2018 22: 59
        +2
        The point of using GBU-39 bombs is that they are fired from a distance of 110 km, it makes no sense to use them closer, there are cheaper missiles for this ....
        1. Grits
          Grits 6 October 2018 05: 36
          0
          The point of using GBU-39 bombs is that they are fired from a distance of 110 km, it makes no sense to use them closer, there are cheaper missiles for this ....
          I think these bombs are dangerous for our air defense systems. It is difficult to detect and shoot them down. True, there is a nuance - in order to "shoot from a distance of 110 km", the plane needs to rise to a decent height, where they will be seen at a glance not only of the S-300, but also of all the old Syrian air defense systems. Here the dog rummaged, as V.Ch. said. After all, it is enough for the Jews to rise to a decent height above the territory of Lebanon, where they are as masters. Syrian airspace is not violated, although it glows like a New Year tree. What to do with them? Shoot them or wait for gliding bombs to fall on their heads? It will be too late when they fall. They start filming, it will be early. A collision, however ...
      2. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 6 October 2018 21: 27
        0
        Quote: genisis
        Ashurbeyli? Are you seriously? )))
        He could only name the cost of the rental rate for Almaz-Antey premises. And here is a gorgeous pearl: “Ashurbeyli accurately named the distance to the plane (drum roll) approximately !!!!! 100 km And about how much? 20, 47, 71, 92 - all this can be understood as “about 100 km”)))

        Approximately 100 km, it is +/- from 50 km to 150 km.
  28. Grandfather Fichteau
    Grandfather Fichteau 5 October 2018 18: 19
    -4
    United States will transfer to Israel

    I wonder what kind of merit ..? For many years now I have been reading VO and other media, and the USA is constantly transmitting and transmitting something to them constantly ..
    Israel captured the USA? wassat
  29. O. Bender
    O. Bender 5 October 2018 18: 22
    +1
    Quote: shans2
    Storks for F-35 are already prepared. I like the F-35, slow, with a maximum speed below 2 thousand km / h. To leave such a rocket is unrealistic.

    I think there is the main maneuverability with maximum overload and the timely receipt of information about guidance of missiles in terms of parameters, and all this is considered to be a blint comp + comp on the ground (integrated system) + active anti-airborne active defense means (missiles in to, Rab) + also from the ground. An integrated system is not a pilot at the handle of a system. Therefore, a screwdriver should be a system (i.e., a blow to the system). In my opinion, the concept of an integrated approach has long been outdated, the more acceptable term is a system approach, I hope experts understand me.
  30. O. Bender
    O. Bender 5 October 2018 19: 25
    +1
    You can wash the topic of cuts, bullshit f35 a hundred times a day. But there is one thing. This is an adversary, really acting, flying. And as they say it is FARED into everyone in NATO. And why? Money? Yes! Only in the last place. The most important thing is the link of one large system (deep integration). And believe me, in real combat work, when assessing the situation and making a decision, it will not matter who when and where the dough has earned on cuts. The enemy needs to know to destroy.
    1. vit357
      vit357 5 October 2018 19: 45
      -1
      "And believe me, in real combat work"

      It is always nice to talk with a pilot flying in captured equipment, I also served in aviation)))
  31. vit357
    vit357 5 October 2018 19: 43
    +1
    Meanwhile, Israel's Minister for Regional Cooperation Tsakhi Hanegbi questioned the ability of the S-300 air defense missile systems delivered to Syria "to track Israeli aviation, which includes the stealthy American F-35 fighters."

    He agrees to try on himself?)))
  32. APASUS
    APASUS 5 October 2018 19: 49
    0
    This set of conflicting information:
    Israeli Minister of Regional Cooperation Tsakhi Hanegbi said that the operational capabilities of the Israeli Air Force are such that the S-300s do not actually limit their effectiveness, since allegedly "they will not even be able to track stealth fighters."

    Everything is just fine, and why then does Israel need an emergency supply of aircraft from existing US Air Force squadrons?
    Surely the S-200 were scared, since not being afraid of the S-300 ???
    1. Grandfather Fichteau
      Grandfather Fichteau 5 October 2018 22: 05
      -2
      Quote: APASUS
      and why then to Israel an emergency supply of aircraft from the existing squadrons of the US Air Force?

      They are trying to scare the Russians .. And they will most likely bomb until the Syrians have been trained, these will arrange flights for them in a low vertical .. laughing
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        1. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 6 October 2018 21: 31
          0
          Quote: dmitry.andreenko11
          But who cares for you, scare you. Fifth pants in the tenth row :))))

          Who are you talking about now?
  33. O. Bender
    O. Bender 5 October 2018 19: 50
    0
    Quote: vit357
    "And believe me, in real combat work"

    It is always nice to talk with a pilot flying in captured equipment, I also served in aviation)))

    Not a pilot. Air defense of air defense systems since 200v. I did not participate in real databases. Only UBS of Sarah Shagan. Regards!
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 5 October 2018 20: 22
      0
      As a professional, what do you think about the substitution of the IL-20th F-16th?
      1. O. Bender
        O. Bender 6 October 2018 07: 19
        +1
        If you approach this issue from two sides, and it is simply necessary at least for some kind of objectivity, it turns out that.
        1.According to the stated information of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, among other things, one moment has been voiced that personally annoys me personally, namely that the commander of the Ili 20 ship reported a fire onboard. warhead, and this is hidden about 5 steel balls. A missile attacking a target approaches it in such a way that the section of the striking elements is in front of the target. Therefore, flying at high speed into a cloud is a fatal destruction in the front sphere, the death of pilots is instantaneous hardly l and had time.
        2. On the screens of the indicators of the capture operator and the guidance operator, the types of targets in IL 20 are clearly distinguished, even the number of engines can be determined by the spectral image on the indicators. This information is seen and evaluated by the chief of combat crew (shooting). At least three people see that they accompany Even if we assume that accompanied by f16, a larger target falls into the beam of the ROC’s calculation, it doesn’t last long and on the indicator screens you can see all this and the situation can be corrected by simply turning off the power. At this time, our silt interferes with the fact that the GOS could capture it on its own. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to state everything within the client.
        3.We don’t know what kind of damaging elements have a place to be in the wreckage, and therefore we can’t know what’s brought down Il and that means who. This is why we need to dance.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 6 October 2018 16: 23
          0
          Quote: O. Bender
          If you approach this issue from two sides, and it is simply necessary at least for some kind of objectivity, it turns out that.
          1.According to the stated information of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, among other things, one moment has been voiced that personally annoys me personally, namely that the commander of the Ili 20 ship reported a fire onboard. warhead, and this is hidden about 5 steel balls. A missile attacking a target approaches it in such a way that the section of the striking elements is in front of the target. Therefore, flying at high speed into a cloud is a fatal destruction in the front sphere, the death of pilots is instantaneous hardly l and had time.
          2. On the screens of the indicators of the capture operator and the guidance operator, the types of targets in IL 20 are clearly distinguished, even the number of engines can be determined by the spectral image on the indicators. This information is seen and evaluated by the chief of combat crew (shooting). At least three people see that they accompany Even if we assume that accompanied by f16, a larger target falls into the beam of the ROC’s calculation, it doesn’t last long and on the indicator screens you can see all this and the situation can be corrected by simply turning off the power. At this time, our silt interferes with the fact that the GOS could capture it on its own. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to state everything within the client.
          3.We don’t know what kind of damaging elements have a place to be in the wreckage, and therefore we can’t know what’s brought down Il and that means who. This is why we need to dance.

          Those. You, as a specialist, believe that it is not known who shot down the IL. Thanks for the clear and informed answer.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 6 October 2018 23: 32
          -1
          ", namely, that the commander of the ship Or 20 reported a fire on board" ///
          ------
          Before this message, Il had done one more thing: about an anti-aircraft missile flying at a distance from the plane. It looks like there was a salvo of their two missiles. The second, as suggested, did not explode, but hit the plane.
          And further. Il did not report any fighters approaching the plane.
  34. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 5 October 2018 20: 36
    0
    F-35s will not be used from Syria.
  35. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 5 October 2018 22: 00
    -1
    This is how the "chosen ones" will become beta testers of amerskih nedovundervaflay! Well, ours will also work out "interaction" with "pariners" in the Syrian sky. We'll see what happens.
  36. ashnajder
    ashnajder 5 October 2018 22: 38
    -1
    I accept bets))))) that the first will be, the s-300 will knock something or cover it, or cover something, and the s-300 will be elusive Joe)))
  37. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 5 October 2018 23: 05
    0
    Well, what can we say, the Americans have once again found suckers who will carry chestnuts out of the fire for them, but the untouchable or the chosen ones (as you like more) dutifully turned their heads and showed a sincere desire to become cannon fodder. Israel has long become an aggressor state, in principle, and was created with a distant eye. Everything that is created at the moment is written and dictated by the State Department. And all the actions are not dictated by fear from the actions of Iran, but really to light a fire and grab another piece fatter, with oil and gas. The fact that the F35 is not really visible is nonsense, but what the Israeli pilot is sitting on is clearly not iron. They may not land, but they’ll come to the shock from the shakers and shoot at random, the main thing is to lean back.
  38. shadow
    shadow 6 October 2018 00: 19
    +1
    Why, those who were already shot down?
  39. Avior
    Avior 6 October 2018 09: 30
    +1
    fake, of course, for Israel make a special modification of the F-35I, which is supplied only to Israel
  40. jack
    jack 6 October 2018 15: 17
    +2
    Quote: dolfi1
    And the story is muddy, it is strange that ours did not publish their version of the incident, apparently Putin and Netanyahu agreed on something.

    Published based on data from the Israeli Air Force report.
  41. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 8 October 2018 09: 49
    0
    Fake. Americans will not give Israelis their dear F35 just like that. If the Israelis themselves buy at exorbitant prices, then another thing.