The hunt for Syrian C-300 gave unexpected results. The true face of Greece and the losing plan of the USA

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As the aggregate of information from several news and monitoring sources, including central Russian TV channels, Twitter pages of eyewitnesses, as well as the online air traffic monitoring resource Flightradar 24, a video report released by the Russian Defense Ministry on the delivery of the main firing elements of the S-300PMU-2 air defense system to the Khmeimim airbase (radar illumination 30N6E2, 5P85SE launcher, as well as ammunition in the form of 48N6E2 / DM missiles in individual TPKs) turned the operational-strategic situation in the Middle East upside down. The alignment has changed far not in favor of the Joint Armed Forces of the Western Coalition and the Israeli Air Force, forcing all participants in the Syrian military campaign, without exception, to reckon with the new position of Moscow, which radically tightened the tone of communication with pseudo-partners on the very first day after the brutal provocation of the Israeli Air Force, which exposed the Syrian The S-200V air defense missile system is our RTR / RER Il-20M aircraft.





Despite the blatant bluff from such high-ranking officials of the Israeli military-diplomatic departments as Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman and a member of the military-political cabinet Tzhahi Khanegbi, unanimously claiming that the Syrian anti-missile shield C-300PMU-2 is unhindered by F-35I "Adir" and the continuation of the bloody shock operations against Shiite fighters with a pseudo-caliph, the parameters of the "Favorites" speak of a completely opposite scenario. Complexes capable of processing enemy air objects with an effective reflective surface in 0,02 sq. m, forced to cuddle up to the earth's surface (forced to fly in low-altitude mode) not only Israeli F-35I, about the imminent commencement of which in the Syrian theater of operations was declared by Israel’s Army Radio, but also by the Raptor X-guns of the X-NUMX-F-5A , which the US Air Force command can re-engage to carry out reconnaissance operations and escort F-22I Wild Weasel air defense breakthrough fighters.

Radar signature "Raptor", a component of the order of 0,07 square. m, will allow 30H6Х2 radars to detect the last at a distance of 80 — 85 km, and therefore they will certainly not risk coming closer to the three hundred-hundred divisions. The only value from using the F-22A will be to implement electronic reconnaissance positions of the Syrian C-300PMU-2 through the advanced onboard complex РТР / СПО AN / ALR-94 with a distributed aperture of 30 passive X-ray radar sensors, data from which will be transmitted to the board F -16CJ "Wild Weasel" for further targeting of AGM-88E AARGM anti-radar missiles. But earlier we have already said that HARMs and their improved modifications of AARGM have a rather mediocre speed, a large ESR and a radio-correction channel module that is vulnerable to radio-electronic interference. Consequently, during their use, the US Air Force, at best, will observe a partial interception of these PRLRs with the help of Favorites and Pantsyry, as well as “going to milk” after exposure to EW Krasuha-4 and Diabazol stations, and at worst - F-16CJ themselves will also lose, in order to achieve the required range of AGM-88E, they will have to climb 9 — 12 km altitude, approaching C-300PMU-2 division to a critical range of 170 km.

It is also necessary to remember that the armed forces of the United States, Israel and the headquarters of the Western coalition will definitely continue to search for “tools” for “hacking” of the updated “antimissile stronghold” of the Syrian Arab Army. About the possibility of bypassing the high-altitude frontiers of the “Favorites” by means of ATACMS and LORA operational tactical ballistic missiles with a further entry into the “blind funnels” above the divisions, we talked about before last; in the same place also ways of stopping this threat were indicated. An attempt to disable these complexes using special forces of the IDF, US Special Operations Forces or SAS is quite likely scenario, but the chance of its realization is zero, because at the moment most of the special forces and elite brigades of Syrian government forces previously involved in the stripping operation Idlib Gadyushnik ", can now be sent to protect several anti-aircraft missile divisions of the C-300PMU-2" Favorite ". Conclusion: the plans for conducting a special operation in the SAR, exaggerated by the Israeli media, are unlikely to succeed for Lieberman and his pack; losses will be unimaginable. Therefore, it can be concluded that the Israeli Defense Ministry, the General Staff of the IDF and the US Air Force will continue to rely on the aerospace methods of countering the C-300PMU-2.

In view of these circumstances, I would like to draw attention to the sudden involvement of the Greek side in the game. So, right after the announcement (October 3) of a video report on the delivery of the first S-300PMU-2 ZRDN to the ATS, the RTR / RER RC-135V / W “Rivet Joint” aircraft once again set off, which carried out a longer (4 -hour) reconnaissance operation of radio-emitting objects in Latakia. This only strengthened us in the opinion that the Russian electronic warfare equipment deployed in this province did not give the possibility of a state intelligence aviation track the process of unloading the elements of the S-300 before the publication of the video material on the network. But the Rivet Joint was far from alone. In neutral airspace, 80-100 km south-west of Cyprus, a long-range radar detection and control aircraft Embraer EMB-145H AEW & C of the Greek Air Force was patrolling, which became known thanks to the online map syria.liveuamap.com with reference to Flightradar24. The vehicle, developed in Brazil with the support of the state-owned company Raytheon, received a Swedish dorsal radar with an Ericsson PS-890 Erieye double-sided active phased array, which is capable of detecting targets with an RCS of more than 20 sq. m at a distance of 480-520 km, and also carry out radio-technical reconnaissance in passive mode at similar distances.

Against the background of the July scandal with expulsion from Greece (not without pressure from Washington) of two Russian diplomats, as well as the desire of Evangelos Apostolakis, Chief of the General Staff of Greece’s National Defense, to give the Pentagon enhanced access to the Greek military bases, the participation of the Greek Air Force in monitoring the arrival of the "300" Syria is not surprising; After all, Athens was practically bought by the White House back in 2016, during the quite famous November visit to the country of Barack Obama with his “democratic fables” on the Acropolis.

From a technical point of view, the US defense department could have turned to the Greek Air Force command with a request to evaluate the frequency parameters of the Syrian S-300 to clarify the modification of the complex, because Greece already has a less long-range version of the S-300PMU-1 air defense system, which has been studied along and across as in terms of the element base, and in terms of the radio-technical "portrait", very familiar to the EMB-145H AEW & C aircraft. It is easy to guess that immediately after the distribution of the first "Favorite" air defense missile systems between the Syrian provinces, our instructors would hardly have activated the RPN unnecessarily, allowing the enemy to receive comprehensive information about the complexes. Therefore, the Greek-American plan most likely failed. Nevertheless, this is where everything comes together into a single picture, which Moscow should remember once and for all when building "friendly" relations with the Mediterranean states that are directly related to the release of the underwater and surface components of the Black Sea fleet Russian Navy in the Eastern Mediterranean.

Information sources:
https://syria.liveuamap.com/
http://airwar.ru/enc/spy/emb145.html
http://airwar.ru/enc/fighter/f16cj.html
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/c300pmu2/c300pmu2.shtml
http://mignews.com/news/041018_65631_92551.html
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  1. +10
    5 October 2018 05: 08
    There is no method against scrap ... And C-300 in Syria is just that scrap that will break all the ambitions of both Israel and the USA ...
    1. +12
      5 October 2018 05: 23
      Quote: Vard
      There is no method against scrap ... And C-300 in Syria is just that scrap that will break all the ambitions of both Israel and the USA ...

      So there seem to be two C-400 divisions already standing there.
      1. +21
        5 October 2018 06: 11
        "It seems" to good weather, when all air defense systems are combined into a single whole, then it will be even more terrible and effective, and all this spiced with electronic warfare means will complete the portrait with oil.
        1. +11
          5 October 2018 07: 11
          Quote: Not bad
          when all the air defense systems are combined into a single whole, then it will be even worse and more effective, and an aromatic combination of all this with electronic warfare equipment will complete the portrait with oil.

          I would really like this, but Syria is surrounded on all sides by US forces, and Israel, as at home, does what it wants. To completely close the sky of Syria there it is necessary to significantly increase the number of fighters and interceptors. Air defense without air cover is just a target
          1. -4
            5 October 2018 07: 38
            Dear, have you seen a map of Syria and the countries surrounding it? If so, why write nonsense?
            1. +16
              5 October 2018 08: 04
              Quote: Ros 56
              Have you seen a map of Syria and its surrounding countries?

              Do you run into rudeness? In neighboring countries of Syria, US bases are available in Jordan, Iraq, and Turkey. Also nearby are bases in Italy, Saudi Arabia, the largest base in Kuwait, etc. In the Mediterranean Sea and the Gulf of Pesidia, the 5th fleet in the Persian Gulf and the 6th in the Mediterranean Sea are on permanent duty. a special place is occupied by the main US ally - Israel, which in terms of the number of military aircraft takes the fourth place in the world after Russia. And finally, in Syria itself there are several American bases.
              1. +1
                5 October 2018 10: 40
                Russia has been operating in Syria in hostile surroundings for 4 years now and only understanding of the danger of approaching certain actions has not led us to a real war, and the Jews continue to hack, each time REDUCING their capabilities in the Russian opposition: after all, both Amer’s fleets today are just a big firing range for our Daggers and Caliber - what did you forget to mention the flock of shock submarines of Russia?
                After all, 1 Caliber from the "torpedo tube" is 1 Arleigh Burke, and the departure of three Tu-22M3s is a guaranteed drowning of a couple of aircraft carriers (and the amers have only one dangling next to them!) like a mouse under a broom.
                1. +15
                  5 October 2018 12: 03
                  Quote: hydrox
                  what did you forget to mention the flock of shock submarines of Russia?

                  According to the Ministry of Defense, no more than 5 Varshavyanks were simultaneously in the 2th Mediterranean squadron at the same time. Suppose that the Northern Fleet can also allocate 1 submarine to patrol. From the Black Sea to the Mediterranean Sea, Varshavyanka cannot pass unnoticed through the Turkish Straits, only in the surface position. Total, maximum 3 submarines. What do you call a pack? Warsaw women under water can go unnoticed for no more than 20 hours, then they need to float to the periscope depth and turn on diesel generators that rattle throughout the Mediterranean Sea, smoke and heat from which anti-submarine aircraft see hundreds of kilometers.
                  Quote: hydrox
                  After all, 1 Caliber from the "torpedo tube" is 1 Arlie Burke

                  Dreaming is not harmful, the Berks have a very powerful radar, which we have not dreamed about yet.
                  Quote: hydrox
                  and the departure of three Tu-22M3 is a guaranteed drowning of a pair of aircraft carriers

                  Even in Soviet times, when there was no Aegis system on American destroyers and cruisers, at least 1 Tu-22M3 regiment was required to incapacitate an aircraft carrier, and 2 Tu22M3 regiments for guaranteed destruction! Today, the Navy does not have a single Tu22M3. And as part of the videoconferencing system, there are 2 regiments, of which there are even fewer in a ready state. It's all! But daggers in general are only being tested.
                  1. -3
                    5 October 2018 16: 55
                    Does the General Staff coordinate its plans with you, or what?
                  2. -3
                    5 October 2018 16: 58
                    Well fisso let's go and shoot ourselves! Not everything is perfect, but you're just a pessimist)
                  3. -6
                    5 October 2018 18: 18
                    Quote: kjhg
                    it was required to allocate at least 1 Tu-22M3 regiment for decommissioning an aircraft carrier, and 2 Tu22M3 regiments for guaranteed destruction

                    And for us, the guaranteed destruction of the carrier group is enough.
                  4. +4
                    6 October 2018 04: 08
                    Quote: kjhg
                    for guaranteed destruction - 2 regiments of Tu22M3

                    I will specify: allowable losses evaluated in two or three regiments at the AUG, the allocation of forces and means was planned much more.
                  5. -7
                    6 October 2018 07: 59
                    How funny you are !!! How many cars are there in the regiment of "strategists"? What set does one "carcass" carry? Yes, there will be no dust from the AUG! And you mean one aircraft carrier ... ... ... ..
                  6. -3
                    6 October 2018 11: 14
                    Quote: kjhg
                    Dreaming is not harmful, the Berks have a very powerful radar, which we have not dreamed about yet.

                    But what will they bring down with what? It would be nice to learn to shoot down target subsonic missiles at least first.
                    Quote: kjhg
                    Even in Soviet times

                    Time has passed, the rockets are different. Guaranteed destruction is not necessary. It is enough to disable.
                  7. -1
                    23 November 2018 21: 05
                    Learn materiel :: Daggers are in service with the MiG-31 in a quantity of 10 pcs. - exactly the same number of aircraft carriers among Americans ...
                  8. -1
                    23 November 2018 21: 14
                    I see that you have not only not dreamed too much, but even not read: what does Burke's radar have to do with Caliber life?
                2. +1
                  5 October 2018 14: 40
                  Well even you got excited
                3. +1
                  5 October 2018 15: 28
                  Quote: hydrox
                  Russia has been operating in Syria in an enemy environment for 4 years and only understanding of the danger of approaching certain actions did not lead us to a real war

                  can you at least be able to talk about what goals Russia pursues in Syria and which of them has been achieved?
                  1. +7
                    5 October 2018 16: 25
                    And what do not you see? You don’t even see the most important thing - the destruction of the Syrian state is stopped. This is both the result and the main goal, especially if we understand that Syria is our ally, although many here do not recognize such an ally. And I would also like for everyone to see that Russia can really stand up for the allies, otherwise Russia's reputation in this matter has been shaken. Remember how Russia canceled the delivery of air defense systems at the request of Israel to Syria, and earlier we broke off a similar contract with Iran? And another shameful deal - Putin signed with Israel a completely wild agreement on the exchange of intelligence information. What information and about whom may Israel be interested in? Naturally, this is primarily about our current allies - Syria, Iran, Turkey. That is, in fact, we are obliged to cooperate with Tel Aviv against them.
                    1. +6
                      5 October 2018 16: 38
                      Turkey is what, and right to the allies .... They are leading their game.
                      1. +2
                        5 October 2018 17: 00
                        We finally realized that there is no one to look into, we must conduct a policy that is advantageous above all for our state! With Turkey it is clear the stump is not an alliance! You have to be on the alert with everyone!
                      2. 0
                        5 October 2018 23: 03
                        Very good OK. Better your game than pro-American. Erdogan Pasha knows his interests.
                    2. +5
                      5 October 2018 17: 01
                      As I understand it, there was an attempt at dialogue with Israel and through it with the whole West, but Israel takes into account only its interests and perceived the attempt at dialogue as a weakness. I hope that conclusions have been drawn.
                    3. 0
                      6 October 2018 19: 52
                      Quote: Fan-Fan
                      the destruction of the state of Syria is stopped. This is both the result and the main goal.

                      this is not a goal, but a means. Why does Russia need to support the regime of Assad, the son of Assad?
                  2. +1
                    5 October 2018 23: 19
                    Russia's goals in Syria are as follows. Defense of the Fatherland at distant frontiers. The cartoon is like that. Clear ? Of the Central Asian and Caucasian republics, more than two and a half thousand fought for ISIS in Syria. How many of them are destroyed? But could you come back, there are no borders, and how to catch them in Russia? The second was invited by Bashir Assad. The third is a test of new types of weapons (it is possible, of course, at the training ground, but in combat conditions it is better). Further training of personnel and command including. Co-ordination of the arms of the armed forces, development of tasks in combat conditions, and much more.
                    1. -3
                      6 October 2018 19: 53
                      Quote: Vik Ganz
                      The goals of Russia in Syria are as follows. Defense of the Fatherland on distant frontiers. There is a cartoon. Clear ?

                      no, not clear. Syria does not border with Russia. How could ISIS threaten from its territory?
                  3. +4
                    6 October 2018 07: 44
                    Well, the first is to prevent the laying of the Qatar-Turkey gas pipe. The second is geopolitics, not to lose the Middle East.
                    1. -3
                      6 October 2018 19: 56
                      Quote: Leonardos
                      Well, the first thing is to prevent the laying of a gas pipe Qatar - Turkey

                      that is, maintaining the integrity of Syria is a lie?
                      1. +6
                        7 October 2018 11: 50
                        that is, maintaining the integrity of Syria is a lie?


                        It was always touching when the main criminals of the planet and their henchmen take such a tone. And when you "honest" and "fair" regaled the world with dirty tales about Fikret Alich, shook test tubes with washing powder in the stands of the UN, for four years fed your layman with absurdities about the Boeing allegedly shot down by Russia, having in your hands (as it turned out!) His rocket number knocked down, etc. etc. - it never occurred to you that you would get the same answer in the same place? So why now pretend to be outraged innocence? You, dear, now do not have any rights to such questions. Simply not, by definition.
                      2. -2
                        11 October 2018 15: 31
                        Quote: Henderson
                        Quote: Leonardos
                        Well, the first thing is to prevent the laying of a gas pipe Qatar - Turkey
                        that is, maintaining the integrity of Syria is a lie?
                        Well, what did you believe them? They are all for grandmas. There are Wagnerites, they all lay down as one, but for what? For gas and oil. That's good, Ukraine began to pay.
                  4. +4
                    6 October 2018 08: 03
                    What is the purpose ?! Prevent the construction of an oil and gas pipeline from Qatar and the Emirates to Europe! What would put the cancer of the Russian Federation !!! And Assad, all the problems began after his refusal, in this, amers !!! Well, we immediately supported him ... ... ..
                    1. +4
                      6 October 2018 11: 19
                      Quote: intuzazist
                      What is the purpose ?! Prevent the construction of an oil and gas pipeline from Qatar and the Emirates to Europe! What would put the cancer of the Russian Federation !!! And Assad, all the problems began after his refusal, in this, amers !!! Well, we immediately supported him ... ... ..

                      Do you seem to think that starting a war for refusing to lay a pipe is normal?
                      Then Gazprom could conduct an intervention against the Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine .. The logic is the same. But we agree.
                      Assad and we are not profitable pipe Qatar. They failed to offer something normal and climbed into the bottle. Bottom line - the Russian Federation gained more weight in the BV than the USSR had and is crowding out not only the United States, but also the French from there.
                  5. 0
                    23 November 2018 21: 08
                    "My salary does not allow answering such questions!" (from) ;-))
                    With this question to the president.
                4. +4
                  6 October 2018 11: 02
                  "and the departure of three Tu-22M3s is a guaranteed drowning of a pair of aircraft carriers" - this is a guaranteed loss of three Tu-22M3s.
              2. 0
                11 October 2018 11: 25
                Indeed, the United States is a great country with great presidents, unfortunately that can not be said about Russia. The United States holds the whole world in stranglehold, and Russia is constantly trying to prove to the whole world how fluffy and kind we are to foreign countries and their citizens, while spreading taxes and reforms on our people, who are dying like flies, and children are born with disabilities due to chemical etching people through food.
                We talk about Syria, while Russia is dying out in numbers. population. And we don’t need to bomb, we will die ourselves)), you need to wait a bit.
                We can boast of weapons, fighting for 4 years in Syria, and Stalin in 5 years brought Europe to its knees, even though they lost 22 mil in the war. But with the rebuilding of Gorbachev in peacetime from 1989 to the present day in 2018, no less died, but more than in the war of 1940-45. and were themselves surrounded by enemies of Russia, even from within!
                1. 0
                  11 October 2018 14: 10
                  Quote: mag77
                  Indeed, the United States is a great country with great presidents, unfortunately that can not be said about Russia.

                  You surprised me, colleague! The whole world laughs at the latest mattress presidents, and you call them "great"! There have never been truly great presidents! The machine of exaltation of everyone and everything there is truly great! A country that lives in debt, prints money to itself, squeezes out resources around the world and is at war with the whole world cannot be great by definition, it can be strong, but sooner or later it will also end! Regarding Russia, you are also clearly excited - the institution of the presidency has existed for only 27 years! Do not worry about this, we will learn how to manage, and deal with ill-wishers too! wink
            2. 0
              5 October 2018 10: 40
              Statesman flies again ...
          2. +3
            7 October 2018 17: 16
            Quote: kjhg
            To completely close the sky of Syria there it is necessary to significantly increase the number of fighters and interceptors. Air defense without air cover is just a target

            You reason as if there is already a war with Russia. You did not listen carefully to the messages about the supply of C300, but there are 2 significant points that cross out your reasoning. The complexes are supplied with secret systems for recognizing "friend or foe" to ensure the safety of which will be Russian officers, that is, Russians will officially sit on the complexes, guaranteeing with their presence "protection" from bombing and attacks. Secondly, the air defense systems will be included in the general air defense network of Syria, and most likely the C400 Khmeinim system will also be connected to the network, which means that the C400 will be "eyes and ears" that "cannot be bombed and jammed", but direct and give commands Syrian missiles C200-S300 can also be launched from the S400 consoles. And this is a completely different alignment.
        2. -1
          5 October 2018 07: 35
          You wanted to say - oil painting or am I wrong? smile
        3. +2
          6 October 2018 11: 11
          S-300 is certainly better than the S-200 but not ah, the main thing is that they will be connected to the S-400 and then the stealth will be visible on the S-300
      2. +6
        5 October 2018 08: 18
        At Hmeimim and Tartus, you have to have a small intestine. And to shoot around just like that because nobody wants to - we are Russians, not Jews.
      3. BAI
        +16
        5 October 2018 09: 38
        So there seem to be two C-400 divisions already standing there.

        So our anti-aircraft gunners are sitting there. They have application restrictions. And the S-300 will be controlled by the Syrians. They have no limits.
      4. +1
        5 October 2018 16: 28
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        So there seem to be two C-400 divisions already standing there.

        So they seem to be forbidden to shoot down Jews, and the Syrian S-300 is another matter. wink
      5. 0
        5 October 2018 22: 35
        do not rush yourself to jump into a hole dug for others
      6. -4
        5 October 2018 22: 52
        And 49 installations were brought in, with what? Maybe S-500 is among them?
        Or even Sarmat? After all, a serious "war" is planned?
        Can immediately blow off a coalition along with Israel at the same time so as not to interfere?
        And on the coast, two Poseidons on each side,
        so that the US does not twitch?
      7. +2
        5 October 2018 23: 01
        They stand to guard our Bases .. They are not directly involved in the Syrian-Israeli conflict .. The task of Russia is to strengthen Syria’s missile defense by establishing a more or less reliable air defense. And slowly get rid of outdated S-300 systems, replacing them with more advanced S-400s. And checking not in exercises, but in real battles of the S-300, eliminating shortcomings in the future.
      8. +1
        5 October 2018 23: 13
        Well, you perfectly understand whose it is and what it is. Or remind you whose sour cream was eaten by the Eurocat)))) angry
      9. +4
        6 October 2018 06: 03
        s400 stand, but belong to the Russian Federation, and therefore it will not be nice to knock down Jews or Yankees. but the C300 was transferred precisely to the ATS, so that they have every right to protect their airspace. Will it be another matter ?!
        1. 0
          6 October 2018 11: 21
          We highlight, the Syrians will bring down.
      10. +1
        6 October 2018 11: 09
        C-400 is not Syrian but Russian, they do not shoot at Israel, so agreed, a pure cover for our RUSSIAN bases
      11. 0
        6 October 2018 19: 36
        Here it is. And also KRAUSUHA. Well, if Jews and Americans decide to dispose of the planes in Syria, then - to the Welk!
      12. 0
        7 October 2018 12: 14
        these are ours, they will not touch the Jews without a direct threat, and the S-300s are already Syrian, they can already flood a couple of Jews)
      13. 0
        7 October 2018 18: 07
        That is not Syrian, but Russian.
        Previously, Russia did not open a "response" for arabozhids.
        Medvedev himself received instructions at the Kotel.
      14. 0
        7 October 2018 20: 43
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Vard
        There is no method against scrap ... And C-300 in Syria is just that scrap that will break all the ambitions of both Israel and the USA ...

        So there seem to be two C-400 divisions already standing there.

        S-400 is in the hands of the Russian VKS. S-300 will be controlled by the Syrians. And they will know better what to do with the hooligans firing from abroad. Probably, they will still knock them on the way up.
    2. +6
      5 October 2018 07: 11
      If there is no other scrap .. The Americans will launch a hundred axes and at least a dozen of them will break through .. So these pair of divisions are a drop in the sea. I would like more ... For peace ...
      1. +3
        5 October 2018 07: 58
        Any rash actions are sacrifices from all sides!
        It’s politics, of course, I can break off the military with everything and everyone! I can only keep it from being thoughtless ... if the opposite parties agree and OBSERVE the agreement?
        Question - And when and where exactly happened on BV ??? In the world, there are also enough negative examples! -
        Everything is not easy, reliable information from the political field of the fig is not a fig! However, we will see.
        1. +1
          5 October 2018 23: 08
          Remember in DMB: the whole world is in dust.
          1. 0
            6 October 2018 18: 20
            Question - Do we need this? Do they need that?
            The boom of hope, the sho the most zealous will be kept away from the RED button!
      2. +4
        5 October 2018 09: 42
        Quote: Nathanael
        If there is no other scrap .. The Americans will launch a hundred axes and at least a dozen of them will break through .. So these pair of divisions are a drop in the sea. I would like more ... For peace ...

        In such a case, carriers of these "axes" can also fly in, especially since there are such opportunities.
        1. +9
          5 October 2018 11: 25
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          In such a case, carriers of these "axes" can also fly in, especially since there are such opportunities.

          We are getting closer and closer to the moment when, from one spark, the whole world is in the trash. And the sanity of the West and the United States is less ...
          1. +4
            5 October 2018 12: 45
            Quote: NEXUS
            We are getting closer and closer to the moment when, from one spark, the whole world is in the trash.
            Well, there is hope that the states got their nuclear baton sour: yesterday I read the words of one of their retired soldiers on duty at the Minutmen base, who said that one day a UFO hovered over their base, after which 10 missiles failed. He said that their warheads were damaged, and that this was not the only case.
            1. +2
              5 October 2018 12: 50
              Quote: Tektor
              Well, there is hope that the states got their nuclear baton sour: yesterday I read the words of one of their retired soldiers on duty at the Minutmen base, who said that one day a UFO hovered over their base, after which 10 missiles failed. He said that their warheads were damaged, and that this was not the only case.

              This incident with UFOs that day is not an isolated one ... moreover, at the same time, the same thing happened at our bases. There are stories of witnesses. Turned off that, by definition, could not turn off. UFOs hung for an hour and a half, that over our bases, that over the mattresses ...
              1. +2
                5 October 2018 15: 32
                Quote: NEXUS
                There are stories of witnesses. Turned off that, by definition, could not turn off. UFOs hung for an hour and a half, that over our bases, that over the mattresses ...

                but we didn’t seem to hang. wassat
              2. +6
                6 October 2018 08: 58
                Was it shown on Ren-TV or was it told in Napoleon’s ward?
          2. -1
            5 October 2018 17: 04
            Unfortunately you are right. A cornered rat rushes at anyone.
        2. -1
          5 October 2018 18: 20
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          In such a case, carriers of these "axes" can also fly in, especially since there are such opportunities.

          Russia has opportunities, but Syria?
          1. 0
            6 October 2018 19: 41
            Syria is ours
        3. +1
          5 October 2018 21: 39
          So far, no carriers or any missiles have been damaged.
      3. +4
        5 October 2018 10: 44
        Already launched and ended with a lot of fun for us and an insult to the fools.
        If it suddenly turns out that 3-4 hundreds of axes were thrown at us ONCE, then yes, this will be serious, but it will mean that neither the Amers nor the Jews can launch the axes anymore, but they simply will not have time to make a full salvo, to the bottom and go away with unreleased axes ...
        1. +7
          5 October 2018 16: 38
          Here are naive people, it still doesn’t reach you that Putin will never give an order to drown American ships. He even forbade to shoot down their missiles, and you dreamed of drowning ships.
          1. 0
            6 October 2018 19: 45
            The humor is that the Americans are disposing of their weapons in Syria.
          2. 0
            7 October 2018 20: 49
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            Here are naive people, it still doesn’t reach you that Putin will never give an order to drown American ships. He even forbade to shoot down their missiles, and you dreamed of drowning ships.

            And who is stopping Putin (by analogy with our IL-20) from getting angry and passing several Iskanders and Onyxes to the Syrians? Don't you think that he is just waiting for this event?
      4. 0
        6 October 2018 08: 05
        Duck after, on plat.ormam these axes will blow ......
    3. -2
      5 October 2018 11: 27
      The S-300 will break not only ambition, but the ridge of Nataf sculptures
    4. +4
      5 October 2018 15: 00
      About the Greeks. What you can buy, you can sell, give away or just throw it away if you get tired! Although the actual corrupt Greece news at the level - the Jews are cunning and fisted!
      1. +8
        5 October 2018 16: 42
        But another question: what for was selling the Greeks S-300? So that they give our air defense systems for examination and study in Israel and the USA? Now we sell the S-400 to the Turks and it is already clear that the NATO team will also study this complex up and down. It turns out the Kremlin rulers are ready to sell everything to everyone, just to get the loot.
        1. +2
          6 October 2018 00: 11
          This is the gene. the designer gave the go-ahead. "They will understand the algorithms for 20 years. And then, if the Chinese are connected. We will prepare a new one by this time." Therefore, EBN was even ready to sell to the States. hi
          I'm more interested in how the computer behaves. Electronic warfare will show. According to the idea, the communication should be "drowned", and the radar of the fighters should be "exposed". How will the adversary work with such opposition? Will they be able to fly?
        2. +1
          6 October 2018 19: 53
          And what do you think, the Indians will not provide amers to study C 400?

          Anecdote: The head of the first department is the general comrade, the Americans stole all the blueprints of our secret car. General - let them try to do it, but they did not drag two trucks of technical notes to the product.
  2. +9
    5 October 2018 05: 38
    I’m not an anti-aircraft gunner, but anti-aircraft gunners say that the S-300 is not deployed and that at best it will become combat ready in a couple of weeks - and only if it has a trained Russian crew. Otherwise, generally measured for months
    1. +26
      5 October 2018 06: 43
      I'm an anti-aircraft gunner, but that’s not the point.
      If you have closely followed Shoigu's statements, then you are right - not yet deployed. Completely with all the bells and whistles and electronic warfare means and completing the training of the Syrian crews (they had already studied in Russia and were ready, but the contract for the supply of S-300s was then suspended at the request of Israel (like in 2014)) after a month and a half. And if all this is "tied" into a single automated complex (and there just Russian officers-experts rule "what, where, when and at whom to shoot), then it will not seem a little.
      1. +22
        5 October 2018 06: 49
        Add.
        If a decision has already been made to equip a "friend or foe" of a foreign state (this has never happened before), then it is clear that the commanders of the crews are unambiguously officers of Russia. And also the special forces of the Russian stopudovo will "turn around" to guard.
        1. +1
          6 October 2018 08: 08
          No options !!!!!
      2. -14
        5 October 2018 06: 58
        Is there enough ammo, or what?
        1. +13
          5 October 2018 07: 24
          Do the specks? Definitely faster barmaley end
          1. +1
            5 October 2018 08: 21
            Quote: Jerk
            anti-aircraft gunners say that the S-300 is not deployed and is ready

            The guardian of the sky, the old, a system specialist.
            Been, taught, "butted" - in the same place, and the same, with the same ....
            Now - it can work in a limited way, in a limited area .... to scare away, restrict ... only if there are appropriate orders, only if ANY losses are unacceptable for the enemy .... only if all kinds of warning and warning lines - interrupt nafig!
            What will come next ????
        2. -1
          5 October 2018 08: 20
          And try to find out.
          1. +4
            5 October 2018 08: 45
            Who to ask then? I’m not wanging myself, but to listen to politicians, let’s understand their thoughts ..... we’re warriors, we need a team ...
        3. -1
          5 October 2018 18: 33
          There is for you, do not worry
  3. +2
    5 October 2018 06: 22
    Quote: Aaron Zawi

    So there seem to be two C-400 divisions already standing there.

    So there, like S-400 Tartus, Khmeim is also protected ... and they have been standing there since the end of 2015.
    proof http://www.tvc.ru/news/show/id/81519
  4. +6
    5 October 2018 06: 44
    As a Bundeswehr general once said .... "Sparrows will fly with the permission of the Russians ..."
  5. +8
    5 October 2018 06: 54
    No one has a chance, we will tear everyone, because they are d-bills ..... About the same message from the article ....
  6. +2
    5 October 2018 07: 03
    In view of these circumstances, I would like to draw attention to the sudden involvement of the Greek side in the game.
    .... Evil does not sleep, hid .. after Russia refused to pay off Greece’s debts to the EU .. It was a long time ago .. And just now, Russia announced that it should compensate Greece’s losses for the civil war in 1944-1945 ... Greece did not got involved, and was waiting for an invitation to get involved in this game .. Plus Greek-Turkish relations ..
    1. +14
      5 October 2018 10: 48
      In view of these circumstances, I would like to draw attention to the sudden involvement of the Greek side in the game.


      The Greeks are players ??? .... Found a gameAkov ... Shameful beggars traitors !!! ... Tsipras licked the shoes of the GDP before the elections, and when he got into default he merged everything: our relations, and the branch of the South Stream, and dismantled the S-300. Although, the "portrait was removed", most likely, much earlier. sad

      This is not a player, or even a sharpie ... this is a blotter of some kind of famous film! No.
      1. +5
        5 October 2018 17: 14
        Worry in vain. The S-300 delivered to Greece is an export option, and this time, secondly it is an old version, thirdly, etc.
  7. +15
    5 October 2018 07: 05
    The whole question is not about the technical parameters of the S-300 Favorit. Or rather, not so much in them. The capabilities of the complex are undeniable. Both the technical of the complex itself and the professional of our calculations.
    The main question, question-questions: determination to apply these complexes in full, at 100%, according to the current situation. To such an extent that the adversary completely repels the desire to repeat raids.
    1. +1
      5 October 2018 16: 47
      Most likely it will be like this: the S-300 is used against the Jews with the explicit participation of our specialists, but they will say that the calculation was Syrian and their officer commanded the calculation, and ours simply advised.
      1. 0
        6 October 2018 14: 37
        Pilot Li-Si-Tsyn?
    2. +1
      5 October 2018 17: 16
      I really hope that the Syrians have the courage to press a button to bring down an Israeli plane.
      1. 0
        5 October 2018 18: 35
        And I hope they knock down f-35, but what will fall out of it will be devoured by hyenas
        1. +1
          5 October 2018 23: 57
          It is necessary not to bring down, but to slightly damage, so that he sat down on a forced one. After that, the military should be transferred to the defending side, and the lithak should be loaded onto IL-76 and in the suburbs, as with the unbreakable U-2. In the Gorky Park put for a week, then for analysis in the laboratory.
      2. 0
        6 October 2018 14: 39
        The Syrians are not accustomed to press the buttons, everyone will be surprised if they beat us down according to our backlight. More than one ..
      3. 0
        9 October 2018 12: 28
        "I really hope that the Syrians will have the courage to press the button" ////
        good
        Their courage - adrenaline - is over the edge. Even if they don’t see the Israeli plane, they will all the same press a button. Moreover, their control centers are always located at a distance of 50 m from the complexes themselves (just in case, if that. They are experienced guys Yes ).
  8. +17
    5 October 2018 07: 06
    The most obvious and least expensive thing that Israel will do is to find a well-informed official in Syria and get the exact coordinates and location, and the method of supplying electricity, and the names of the Syrian military and a lot of answers, according to critical information.
    And then someone just sets up a lighthouse.
    And no installation.
    Is there silence about our killed general?
    Did someone pass the information?
    So it is here.
    Or do not attract the Syrians at all, or ours do not FIG.
    And since neither the first nor the second option is realizable, we will have what we had before.
    God bless me to make a mistake.
    1. +1
      5 October 2018 07: 42
      If you talk like that, wrap yourself in a white sheet and crawl into the cemetery.
      1. +5
        5 October 2018 08: 43
        Quote: demo
        exact coordinates of both the location and method of supplying electricity

        the exact coordinates can also be seen from space. I think the United States has such opportunities. So this is nonsense.
        way to supply electricity, I think that the S-300 autonomous generators.
        Quote: demo
        And then someone just put a beacon

        the sense of this is a little in view of the above.
        Quote: demo
        God bless me to make a mistake.

        I think that you are mistaken.
    2. +3
      5 October 2018 09: 34
      Quote: demo
      And then someone just sets up a lighthouse.

      there are guys trained to find lighthouses, abandoned jammers.
      1. 0
        5 October 2018 16: 56
        Why did these guys not find such beacons on our former BZHRK in time?
        Whoever doesn’t know, it was like this: during the next technical maintenance of the rocket train back in the USSR, a suspicious device was accidentally discovered, experts identified it as an American-made laser designator. Then we checked the remaining 11 trains and found the same thing on everyone.
        Information from the book of Kalashnikov.
        That's how their intelligence works, and we are a shame.
        1. +1
          5 October 2018 17: 56
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Information from the book of Kalashnikov.
          That's how their intelligence works, and we are a shame.

          A lot of things are written in books, so there is no sense in believing in such information. In general, the laser designator, as I understand it, should be powered, serviced, has a limited range, not to mention the range of use. Now tell us how all those who installed it decided all this? So that you yourself do not consider shame ....
        2. 0
          6 October 2018 04: 20
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          checked the remaining 11 trains and found the same thing on everyone.
          Information from the book of Kalashnikov.

          I strongly advise you to ask what a laser designator is. Where indicates who indicates how it is applied.
          Quote: ccsr
          So that you yourself do not consider shame ....
    3. +5
      5 October 2018 10: 13
      Quote: demo
      it will find a well-informed official in Syria and will receive accurate coordinates and locations

      I think that as soon as the battery is on combat duty, the Americans and Israelis will receive all the necessary information from the satellites. Worse, the Syrian Arabs are very corrupt people on the whole, and as if the Israelis simply did not agree with someone and did not buy our complexes in bulk from the Syrians ...
      1. +1
        5 October 2018 13: 17
        Wrapped in a cloth and quietly dragged? This is not a kilogram of nails. And they put them to the Syrians purely formally. Syrian air defense will allegedly shoot, the bribes from us are smooth.
        1. +1
          5 October 2018 14: 44
          Sergey, good afternoon.
          Read about Operation Penicillin in Egypt.
          With respect.
    4. 0
      5 October 2018 17: 17
      counterintelligence is not sleeping either
    5. 0
      6 October 2018 20: 04
      Then our backlight was weak.
  9. +9
    5 October 2018 07: 16
    Against the backdrop of the July scandal with the expulsion from Greece (not without pressure from Washington) of two Russian diplomats, as well as the desire of the Chief of the General Staff of the Greek National Defense Evangelos Apostolakis to provide the Pentagon with expanded access to Greek military bases, the participation of the Greek Air Force in monitoring the arrival of the "Three Hundreds" to Syria is not surprising; after all Athens almost bought by the White House back in 2016, during the very famous November visit to the country of Barack Obama with his "democratic fables" on the Acropolis.
    Obama has nothing to do with it. The author forgot that Greece is a NATO member and the participation of the Greeks in activities against the Russians, providing bases for his team ally is NORMAL!))) Yes, it is extremely disadvantageous for us when the opposing bloc shows an enviable unity in actions. But the discipline is ironic, this fact must be admitted. And let it be a shame who wrote here about the good relations of the Greeks, about the split in the camp of the enemy. I remember these articles here. You’ll also blush for Turkey, which plays a beautiful spectrum, but acts strictly in the interests of NATO))) Chipping Titus pro-Turkish forces from LIH and threw only time Asada.Delo.
    1. -1
      5 October 2018 08: 37
      It is not normal. It is also not normal how to demand from Russia to pay off the debts of the Greeks to the EU.
      1. +4
        5 October 2018 09: 34
        Fine! I remember this Greek "Popandopolis", before the election "abruptly scolded the EU and NATO," and after the election, he wanted to "borrow some money from Russia until payday." But they almost gave it!
  10. +11
    5 October 2018 08: 06
    In my opinion, they all quietly let on the brakes. The Russian Defense Ministry received a lightning rod, everyone blames Israel and does not remember the loss of control over the situation in the Moscow Region. Putin leads the Iranians away from the T4 base and puts c300 there, as a result, Israel ceases to bomb the base and its surroundings by spending kerosene and risking a 5 point. Everything is in plus, the status quo will gradually return
  11. +2
    5 October 2018 08: 20
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Is there enough ammo, or what?

    ... for tribals - only goose shot ...
  12. +14
    5 October 2018 08: 20
    No unbreakable planes
    No "impenetrable" air defense systems
    Hurray-patriotism is good within reasonable limits, which the afftor is not observed
    The S-300 supply would sooner or later come to an end; there is also an opinion that the Syrian air defense system has 4 S-300 complexes purchased from (through?) Belarus. Do not forget that the main enemy of Israel in the Iran region also has these systems in service, which cannot but affect the preparation of the Israeli Air Force.
    Therefore, at least since 2008, the Israelis have been building their tactics taking into account the possible use of the S-300.
    The author does not provide data on the results of the "Glorious spartan" exercises from 2008 and others similar in the future.
    1. +2
      5 October 2018 10: 10
      Quote: ArikKhab
      there is also an opinion that there are 4 C-300 complex purchased from (through?) Belarus in Syria’s air defense system.

      No, reliably with a high degree that no. Before the Russian supply of anything like nebilo.
    2. +1
      5 October 2018 10: 43
      Quote: ArikKhab

      Therefore, at least since 2008, the Israelis have been building their tactics taking into account the possible use of the S-300.

      Then why did the Israelis tearfully ask not to deliver the S-300 to Syria, if they had already learned to deal with these systems before the participation of the Russian Air Force in the war against ISIS? What were these masters of provocation against the reconnaissance plane so afraid of?
      1. +1
        5 October 2018 10: 46
        You asked? Or is it a rhetorical question.
        1. 0
          5 October 2018 11: 00
          Quote: Shahno
          0
          You asked? Or is it a rhetorical question.

          This is a response to the hatred of individual citizens from unknown countries.
  13. +8
    5 October 2018 08: 48
    Both the F-22 and F-35 are used only with Luneberg lenses, which significantly increase the RCS of these aircraft. Nobody dares to remove them, otherwise the characteristics of the reflection will instantly become known to everyone who needs it. So there will be no difference in their application compared to the F-16 or F-15. Only with the support of jamming aircraft. You can also use any aircraft with a large EPR as a cover - civilian or, as in the case of the Il-20, stupid "partners" flapping their ears. So provocations against civilian planes with their destruction by the Syrians is what you should expect without building any illusions.
    1. +1
      5 October 2018 17: 03
      I also think that the Anglo-Saxons will substitute a civilian airliner there and someone will bring it down. And they will dump everything on the S-300, us and the Syrians. And this will only add gasoline to the fire of the war against Syria, they are experts at it.
  14. 0
    5 October 2018 09: 13
    The most important ... S-300 of the Syrian army will be able to integrate into the Russian air defense system in Syria.
  15. ZVS
    +15
    5 October 2018 10: 05
    This is Greek gratitude for the $ 3 billion that Putin gave them during the crisis.
    We ourselves help potential enemies in difficult times for them, and then we tear off the hair on our heads that they are so and so.
    It’s time for Putin to stop helping countries, because they can be overbought at any time by the USA. We must help our people so that there are no beggars in the country.
    1. +9
      5 October 2018 13: 24
      That's for sure. In Soviet times, half the world was fed for free. And where are these countries now? An example should be taken from the states: did you take a cent? Give the dollar back! No money? Do what they order from Washington. Only in this way, and nothing else.
  16. +1
    5 October 2018 10: 37
    Author:
    Evgeny Damantsev writes
    It only strengthened our opinion that the Russian electronic warfare equipment deployed in this province did not allow the staff of the US reconnaissance aviation to track the process of unloading S-300 elements until the video material is published on the network.

    Or maybe they didn’t have such a goal?
    And why did you decide that you can use only aviation for this, and not a recruited agent with a micro-miniature video camera? Maybe they have everything for a long time, but they just do not spread it? And why do they need the unloading process themselves if they tracked the flight route of our aircraft in real time from take-off to landing? In my opinion, the author escalates the situation where there is nothing extraordinary. Well, unloaded and unloaded. Much more important is their place of deployment, which will be opened as soon as the radar is operational. Or maybe earlier - from the satellite.
  17. 0
    5 October 2018 10: 42
    A massive blow?
  18. -6
    5 October 2018 11: 06
    The author, well, you can’t mock readers like that.
    For example, the "old lady" Rketa "Delilah"
    Length 2.7m
    Diameter 0.33m
    Flight altitude 11m + anti-radiation coating.
    GPS guidance and / or inertial. At 16km, the day / night camera will turn on and search for the target by comparing the picture with what is inherent in the memory.
    Accuracy 0.4 - 1m.
    And most importantly - cheap.
    Starts from a truck / ship, helicopter or plane.
    On "Armor", "Buk", "Rubella" and EW puts a bolt with a nut. Pont-free, but safe, cheap and cheerful. And how many S-300 are already no difference.
    1. +4
      5 October 2018 11: 48
      Quote: kord0127
      Pointless, but safe, cheap and cheerful.

      And most importantly kosher. That's just with the militants from Hamas can not cope in any way, and you already lift your foot on the S-300 ...
      1. -1
        11 October 2018 15: 47
        Quote: ccsr
        Quote: kord0127
        Pointless, but safe, cheap and cheerful.

        And most importantly kosher. That's just with the militants from Hamas can not cope in any way, and you already lift your foot on the S-300 ...

        The main thing is that they, Hamas, do not pay tribute, instead of pensions for grandmothers and grandmothers.
        1. 0
          11 October 2018 17: 00
          Quote: Timtam
          The main thing is that they, Hamas, do not pay tribute, instead of pensions for grandmothers and grandmothers.

          The Americans pay them well - why do they need someone else.
        2. -2
          11 October 2018 17: 05
          Quote: ccsr
          The Americans pay them well - why do they need someone else.
          Americans? Hamas? Israel will not pay Hamas, like Russia to the Chechens. Do you understand now?
    2. +3
      5 October 2018 13: 32
      And, excuse me for the stupid question, are you already using antigravs as a propulsion system on missiles? Hats off to Israeli designers. We are bastard, far away from you, in that case. laughing
      1. -1
        5 October 2018 18: 32
        And what about the anti-gravity?
      2. -1
        11 October 2018 15: 48
        Quote: Sergey985
        And, excuse me for the stupid question, are you already using antigravs as a propulsion system on missiles? Hats off to Israeli designers. We are bastard, far away from you, in that case. laughing
        And you have levitation and telekinesis on the paddle. Your minister declared, not anyhow who. laughing laughing laughinglaughing laughing
    3. +2
      5 October 2018 16: 56
      Ok, then don’t worry about the club-k system containers, they are not expensive either
    4. +1
      5 October 2018 18: 39
      Here's a fine fellow, the main thing is that she is Jewish, circumcised. Yes, she just can fly from Israel and Putin fly into a window in the Kremlin. Don’t underestimate the characteristics of your ug-division
    5. 0
      10 October 2018 11: 31
      Quote: kord0127

      On "Armor", "Buk", "Rubella" and EW puts a bolt with a nut. Pont-free, but safe, cheap and cheerful. And how many S-300 are already no difference.

      lol Well, if only they remain without ammunition
  19. +1
    5 October 2018 11: 42
    Aron Zaav ......
    So there seem to be two C-400 divisions already standing there.

    Aron, do not troll on this site. Be serious. Yes
  20. +3
    5 October 2018 12: 07
    Quote: Vard
    There is no method against scrap ... And C-300 in Syria is just that scrap that will break all the ambitions of both Israel and the USA ...

    Cheers sad
  21. +2
    5 October 2018 12: 09
    Quote: kord0127
    The author, well, you can’t mock readers like that.
    For example, the "old lady" Rketa "Delilah"
    Length 2.7m
    Diameter 0.33m
    Flight altitude 11m + anti-radiation coating.
    GPS guidance and / or inertial. At 16km, the day / night camera will turn on and search for the target by comparing the picture with what is inherent in the memory.
    Accuracy 0.4 - 1m.
    And most importantly - cheap.
    Starts from a truck / ship, helicopter or plane.
    On "Armor", "Buk", "Rubella" and EW puts a bolt with a nut. Pont-free, but safe, cheap and cheerful. And how many S-300 are already no difference.

    And in response, the Iskander is also inexpensive. lol tongue
    1. -2
      5 October 2018 18: 31
      At a range of 500km. Where are they?
      1. 0
        6 October 2018 18: 09
        Iskander - 500 km? I really didn’t think that the Jews were so naive ...
      2. 0
        10 October 2018 11: 33
        Quote: kord0127
        At a range of 500km. Where are they?

        Well, you yourself beg for it. Do you need it?
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  23. +7
    5 October 2018 13: 45
    I’m sure of only one thing: if Israel strikes, it strikes being sure that everything will be unpunished, you can find a hole in any defense, and if it subsides, it means that it has not yet found this hole
    1. 0
      5 October 2018 23: 30
      And well, if it finds. Nobody can do it better than him. Plus for product improvement.
  24. -2
    5 October 2018 14: 48
    The plan for a military operation in Syria is being developed by the General Staff and successfully implemented if it were not for the treachery of the United States and the betrayal of former Soviet citizens Liberman and Netanyahu.
    1. 0
      5 October 2018 18: 41
      This is a disgrace to the Soviet Union. Well they are not in Russia. We with the Nazis do not get along. We defeated him. Won the European. We consider it necessary, we will defeat the Jewish
    2. -1
      11 October 2018 15: 51
      Quote: Sergei Martynov
      betrayal of former Soviet citizens by Liberman and Netanyahu.
      Asanyl Netanyahu, but what about. Are you straight from the fifth class of the church prikhadsky or what?
      And the church is also being charged?
  25. +2
    5 October 2018 14: 50
    Finally, I realized: disclosing secret information to NATO about the S-300 is a betrayal of our bourgeois Fatherland, and delivering the S-300 to the NATO states is business as usual.
  26. +3
    5 October 2018 16: 06
    And why came to Greece? And prime like everyone else. He also talked to Soros in America. And he was still bought at the beginning of his youth at the root of the Amer. A politician should be able to grind his tongue for plebs before conception, otherwise hell will break into the premieres. Actions and words you yourself know how to relate. Not only them. Tsipras is their man. Man!
    1. +1
      5 October 2018 17: 08
      Yes, there is nothing to say, except that cleverly this Tsipras of Putin spent.
      1. +1
        5 October 2018 20: 14
        And who did not spend it?
  27. -6
    5 October 2018 16: 28
    The path has already shown "power", the Turks shot down the plane ..))), another of his accomplice Assad ..)), except for blowing his cheeks and farting his lips ..)) Nothing !!! And now the picture was shot down by the USA, after five minutes there will be no stone on the stone from Sirish ..)))
    1. +2
      5 October 2018 18: 43
      Baby, go learn lessons, your libel speaks of your mental development. Shkolota, grade 9. Or better yet, go get your god anal
    2. +2
      5 October 2018 22: 49
      [Nothing !!! And now the picture was shot down by the USA, after five minutes there will be no stone on the stone from Sirish ..))) [/ quote]

      You yourself understand what you write: "At the sirishka" in which you want not to leave even stones - in general, apart from the military, there are also peaceful people, children - this is where you get such inhuman anger request
      By the way, the liberals (and
      U.S. fans) in the clinical case, they also argue like this ... Fascism didn’t go anywhere, it sits in some inflamed brains hard to regret. .. stop
      1. 0
        11 October 2018 15: 56
        Quote: Fanis
        peaceful people live children
        Well, why are you two-faced, with your Russian direct help, the Assad has already killed more than 600.000 people - women, old people, children. Millions are expelled from their places of residence, the local Sunni population is expelled and replaced by Shiites. You will never forget it. Where did you get such inhuman anger?
  28. 0
    5 October 2018 17: 26
    Quote: Not bad
    "It seems" to good weather, when all air defense systems are combined into a single whole, then it will be even more terrible and effective, and all this spiced with electronic warfare means will complete the portrait with oil.

    You’re a bastard: S-300 has spoiled someone’s mood, and you’re catching more Chernukha
  29. +1
    5 October 2018 17: 45
    Quote: Ervin Romel
    The path has already shown "power", the Turks shot down the plane ..))), another of his accomplice Assad ..)), except for blowing his cheeks and farting his lips ..)) Nothing !!! And now the picture was shot down by the USA, after five minutes there will be no stone on the stone from Sirish ..)))

    The plane did not really work out "nicely", but now the Turks, albeit with reservations, support the Russian Federation and spoil their nerves thoroughly.
    And how many Americans fell under the "friendly fire" and your favorites tolerate nothing.
    And if not for Putka, but Tramulka better?, Then in Syria "black figs know what they were doing. For some reason it seems to me that it is better to soak them, and not wait for crowds to run around our streets and yell:" Alochka I'm going to the bar. "Ask Aron Tasks or someone there, how" sweet "they are to hear that?
  30. 0
    5 October 2018 17: 51
    Maybe I'm wrong, but all these screams: "S-300 is garbage and when I want to bomb" then the psychiatric hospital, otherwise it would have been bombed
    1. 0
      5 October 2018 23: 32
      I agree. A dog that barks does not bite.
  31. +2
    5 October 2018 18: 12
    Greece already in 1949. under the full occupation of Zlobrites. Besides toga, she is in NATO. But the people there are free-loving and brave, I think if they have a chance, they will shave and the United States will send for .......... It’s not necessary to hammer in anything other than Serbs from 1941. Greeks fought against Hitler only in Europe. Also, the behavior of the people in 1999. when NATO bombed Serbia. Even the officers did not want to declare a decree on the bombing. So the Greeks must be cautious.
    1. +1
      5 October 2018 18: 46
      Yes, people there and nothing to do with it. The power there is puppet. They let the cockroaches into their country, now they will not be taken out. They say they are not even afraid of radiation. Only the heel of the boot takes them :)
  32. -3
    5 October 2018 20: 40
    Real EPR Raptor published?
    Is 85 km detected?
    With or without interference?
    Or can only Russians interfere?
    The Raptor and F35, under cover of interference, will go unnoticed even to the distance of dropping free-falling bombs.
    I saw a ground-based radar with powerful radiation and a large aperture of the antenna.
    Is the head as powerful and as big on the rocket?
    All under interference, please note
    If Israel is forced, and all goes to this, he will open this C300 as a tin can.
    1. +2
      5 October 2018 21: 43
      How old are you boy? You even in my opinion have not yet served, and education "military" - zero.
      Arabs and Persians-Iran will open Israel's "tin" can if the United States does not care (and not invest billions of tanks in this bridgehead on the ball) and Russia allows it.
      TAKE THIS ONE.
      1. 0
        11 October 2018 16: 01
        Quote: Fedorov
        How old are you boy? You even in my opinion have not yet served, and education "military" - zero. Arabs and Persians-Iran will open Israel's "tin" can if the United States does not care (and not invest billions of tanks in this springboard on the ball) and Russia allows it.
        TAKE THIS ONE.
        They have been trying with your help for many years, and you and them are getting worse and worse.
    2. +6
      5 October 2018 21: 43
      Quote: iosif
      All under interference, please note
      If Israel is forced, and all this goes, he will open this С300 like a tin can

      Adequate people on both sides want this not to happen. In the event of a mutual incident between Israel and Russia, only neighboring players will benefit, especially the diverse jihadists of the region.
      1. +1
        5 October 2018 23: 35
        Which Israel supports. His barmalei specialists constantly teach him.
    3. +1
      5 October 2018 23: 33
      Force, force ... Come on, open it already.
    4. 0
      10 October 2018 11: 39
      Quote: iosif
      Real EPR Raptor published?
      Is 85 km detected?
      With or without interference?
      Or can only Russians interfere?
      The Raptor and F35, under cover of interference, will go unnoticed even to the distance of dropping free-falling bombs.
      I saw a ground-based radar with powerful radiation and a large aperture of the antenna.
      Is the head as powerful and as big on the rocket?
      All under interference, please note
      If Israel is forced, and all goes to this, he will open this C300 as a tin can.

      Well, if Russia is forced to, and there will no longer be life on Earth, and you persistently achieve this.
      1. -1
        11 October 2018 16: 03
        Quote: MKPU-115
        Well, if Russia is forced to and life on Earth will no longer be
        laughing laughing laughing laughing
    5. +1
      15 March 2019 10: 35
      Iosif (Iosif)! "Children's" babble and no more!
  33. 0
    5 October 2018 23: 47
    While the West was forbidden to walk over Syria, which made them very angry and now we need to wait for the villains in Syria. Therefore, it is necessary to disarm the Idlib boiler and faster, so that Merikans of new provocations are not created there.
  34. -1
    6 October 2018 13: 53
    Firstly, a planning bomb 100 km (80-85 km) rest
    the plane throws sharply at milestones and sharply down
    Secondly, after so on time, although tragically experiencing provocations with a scout
    We need to consider why the unmanned zone and air superiority we need
    Tilt the Turks - so that they agree to take our gas and in their pipe fuse it to Europe
    and they are not good at repenting - they shot down a fighter and sent Russia tries in Idlib
    Where the Government of Chaikayshi is urgently formed - then the Americans are invited and the meat grinder begins
  35. 0
    6 October 2018 23: 34
    New goals for the IDF)
  36. 0
    7 October 2018 01: 27
    Quote: Shahno
    Turkey then, and right to the allies .... Well they are leading their game

    And which country does not play its game? (rhetorical question).
  37. 0
    8 October 2018 04: 42
    Quote: Author
    The hunt for the Syrian S-300 gave unexpected results

    first impression ... the author is sick

    Quote: Author
    30N6E2 illumination radar, 5P85SE launcher, as well as ammunition in the form of 48N6E2 / DM missiles in separate TPK

    second impression: "a senseless set of performance characteristics and" OBS ""
    Quote: Author
    From a technical point of view, the US defense department could appeal to the command of the Greek Air Force with a request to evaluate the frequency parameters of the Syrian S-300

    comrade Eugene ... what is wrong with his head? (I looked through his "author's articles", almost everywhere such a vinaigrette (or "herring under a fur coat"), intended for the public
    Does he write something about himself?
  38. -1
    8 October 2018 04: 50
    Our Bases our VKS are now reinforced concrete covered by air defense. Now, our air forces can destroy all AUGs of any country since the air forces of any country will simply be totally destroyed. Now full control in Syria is ensured, now the control of the entire territory of Israel, to force Israel to simply ask for permission just to take off from its airfields
  39. 0
    8 October 2018 14: 51
    Quote: Foxmara
    But what will they bring down with what? It would be nice to learn to shoot down target subsonic missiles at least first.

    In fact, the question is valid. As far as I remember, the Berks have nothing special to shoot down anti-ship missiles with the exception of machine guns - this is an offensive ship with missiles for fixed ground targets. Or maybe movable ones, but "illumination" with a laser is already required; a couple of Marines must be somewhere close and "shine" on this moving object.
  40. 0
    9 October 2018 00: 50
    Quote: Henderson
    Quote: Vik Ganz
    The goals of Russia in Syria are as follows. Defense of the Fatherland on distant frontiers. There is a cartoon. Clear ?

    no, not clear. Syria does not border with Russia. How could ISIS threaten from its territory?

    Naturally can not. We will not give a visa to this ISIL (as * an organization banned in the territory of the Russian Federation). And they will not come to us.
    1. 0
      3 July 2019 14: 49
      The Taliban has already been given, so ... much can be ahead
  41. 0
    9 October 2018 19: 47
    Quote: iosif
    Real EPR Raptor published?
    Is 85 km detected?
    With or without interference?
    Or can only Russians interfere?
    The Raptor and F35, under cover of interference, will go unnoticed even to the distance of dropping free-falling bombs.
    I saw a ground-based radar with powerful radiation and a large aperture of the antenna.
    Is the head as powerful and as big on the rocket?
    All under interference, please note
    If Israel is forced, and all goes to this, he will open this C300 as a tin can.

    ... like two fingers to your throat. Open up and so many razzzz ...
    1. 0
      3 July 2019 14: 52
      Kindergarten ... When (and if) a blow to the complexes is delivered, will you moan about the blow ... lower than the back and the "eternal insidiousness" of the Israelis?
  42. +1
    10 October 2018 03: 00
    What can I say .. The author does not have enough information about the technical characteristics of the weapons described by him. And given that it is available in open sources, we can conclude that there was no particular desire to understand.
    About F-22. Lockheed claims a frontal EPR from 0,0001 to 0,0002 sq. M. Which reduces the damage range from 200 to 15-20km. And makes the complex vulnerable to a wide range of weapons.
    HARM missiles. They have a maximum range of 106 km, a maximum flight speed of 1000 s / s, one F-16 can carry 8 of them. The earth, as you know, is round, which means that the radio horizon of the air defense complex under ideal conditions will be about 25-30 km. And it is possible to use these PRR from a small height (according to the same F-22), massive launches, in order to oversaturated the possibilities of intercepting the S-300PM. The EPR of such missiles is at least an order of magnitude smaller than that of a 4+ generation fighter. And even one such goal will be extremely difficult. Part of the first wave missiles will inevitably break through (there may be several), significantly undermining the defensive capabilities. In addition, we will not forget about the psychological effect: the attacking planes fired back and left at low altitude, and each hit threatens with the death of the calculation of air defense systems.
    So, having dozens and hundreds of airplanes in the region, many airfields, the necessary ammunition, and “spoiling” several air defense systems are relatively easy.
    And to conduct military operations with modern air forces at a distance of over 1000 km - on the contrary. And Russia does not have such experience.
    Hat-making is very dangerous, it once cost us Tsushima, serious losses during the war with Finland, and proximity to the complete defeat in the 1941s. It’s bad that many media support such sentiments, taking advantage of the naivety of citizens.
    1. -1
      29 March 2019 12: 29
      3danimal! You are so illiterate! The average value of the image intensifier tube (EPR) of the F-22 is 0,3 - 0,4 sq. meters, not advertising, not true, your data ... We do the calculations, the detection range F-22 D = 314 - 337 km. Learn physics and radar. There are no planes with an electron intensifier tube (EPR) equal to a bumblebee - it is physically impossible, so Americans are afraid that by buying the S-400, Turkey will reveal the true value of the electron tube (EPR) F-35 and the sale of these aircraft to the US allies will collapse. For reference, the EOP (EPR) of the F-35 is greater than the value of 0,3 - 0,4 square meters.
      1. 0
        12 June 2019 07: 39
        And let me ask, where did you get the data about 0,3-0,4 sq m EPR? I searched: based on the statements of Poghosyan and the KLA workers. Created by which the Su-57 (still not ready) has just this EPR. It looks like the aforementioned people deliberately underestimate the characteristics of an opponent, failing to achieve high results.
        For example, it is safe to say that the EPR of the 57th is significantly larger than that of the F22. Look at the photo from the front: our compressor blades are visible (half), and the American has S-shaped air intakes. And moving shoulder blades are a significant unmasking factor that increases EPR.
        In addition, Lockheed has more experience in creating stealth aircraft.
        And the EPR parameter suddenly coincides. What confirms my version about the intentional overestimation of the E-F-22.
  43. 0
    12 October 2018 07: 57
    Quote: NoNick
    Quote: Foxmara
    But what will they bring down with what? It would be nice to learn to shoot down target subsonic missiles at least first.

    In fact, the question is valid. As far as I remember, the Berks have nothing special to shoot down anti-ship missiles with the exception of machine guns - this is an offensive ship with missiles for fixed ground targets. Or maybe movable ones, but "illumination" with a laser is already required; a couple of Marines must be somewhere close and "shine" on this moving object.

    Such chaotic knowledge .. would you even look for information about the ship, because it is enough (
    Burke is, first of all, the most powerful air defense ship, which has a specialized radar with headlamps (for a long time that had no analogues), with the help of which it controls airspace in a radius from 30 km at sea level to 400 km at high altitudes, tracking over a hundred targets. For distances up to 50 km, highly maneuverable missiles with a deflectable thrust vector ESSM (4 each in one of 90 launch cells) are used, for longer ranges (up to 260 km) there are SM-2ER (with semi-active seeker) and SM-6 (with active) missiles. The weapons of the "last chance" are 2 ZAK "Vulkan-Falanks" 20mm caliber. And a powerful (up to 1 MW) electronic warfare station. So he has much to fight off missiles with.
    Further. In the “strike” version, it carries no more than 56 “Tomahawks” in the launcher, the remaining cells are occupied by anti-aircraft missiles and missile torpedoes.
    Further. There are versions of the aforementioned BGM-109 missiles, with a photo recognition system, for a more accurate hit. Modifications that can hit targets in motion are still in development.
    And for fans of the "omnipotent electronic warfare systems" who "all of these Tomahawks in one fell swoop ..": experts call these missiles very resistant to the effects of targets. Even locally jamming the GPS, you can only slightly reduce the accuracy of hitting the target in the final section, which does not matter much when attacking objects such as airfields, military bases, and chemical. plants.