Lieberman: Israel will continue to strike at Syria, despite the C-300

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Israel will not turn off its operations in Syria, since it cannot refuse them, even despite the delivery of Russian anti-aircraft missile systems C-300 to this country, Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman said on air of Israeli state radio Kan on Wednesday.

Lieberman: Israel will continue to strike at Syria, despite the C-300




According to Lieberman, Israel is “of course not happy with the presence of C-300 in Syria,” but Tel Aviv has no choice but to continue conducting operations in Syria. In this case, according to the Minister of Defense, Israel "protects vital interests" and "cannot make any compromises in the field of security of the Jewish state." At the same time, Lieberman once again laid responsibility for the crash of the Russian reconnaissance aircraft Il-20 on the Syrian government army, stating that "at that moment the Israelis acted carefully and responsibly."

He explained that Israel’s interests are affected in Syria, since Iran wants to turn Syria’s territory into “one large Iranian military base”, therefore when receiving intelligence information about deliveries weapons from Iran to Syria or Lebanon, as well as Hezbollah, the armed forces will strike at the specified coordinates.

He considers that one of his main tasks is to return the working relations with the Russian side to a “normal mode” in order to coordinate their actions and more actively activate the “hot line”.

Earlier it was reported that Russia transferred to Syria 49 units of equipment in the framework of the supply of anti-aircraft missile system (ZRS) C-300.
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  1. +23
    3 October 2018 14: 12
    smile Well, well ... wait for the first hit, and then look at the result.
    1. +10
      3 October 2018 14: 29
      In order for the S-300 to work effectively, it must be maximally integrated into the overall air defense and missile defense system, plus we do not forget about reconnaissance, which, incidentally, will naturally be done, the main thing is that this "mechanism" fully solves all tasks.
      1. +3
        3 October 2018 20: 36
        hi
        Well, actually, what is being worked on there now. Four PUs have been delivered so far. The rest is radar, electronic warfare systems, hardware support. While they will break the spears on the diplomatic fields, our specialists will link all the complexes into a single network. And then there will be an additional 8 pieces of PU up to the full division.
        1. -7
          3 October 2018 20: 40
          Well, you can’t blow our blow. Why such a risk? Or do you think we’ll agree?
          1. +4
            3 October 2018 20: 51
            What a "blow"laughing? One missile cruiser Atlant, which is now near Iszrail, will destroy half of all your military airfields with a sixteen-fold salvo with TNW. And instantly, with no chance for the "chosen" missile defense. Sit quietly on your snack and don't blather.
            1. -3
              3 October 2018 21: 21
              So. What happens next .... This is the problem. Do you think you have allies, and our types will scatter in the corners. "Blessed is he who believes."
              1. +6
                3 October 2018 22: 44
                But let your allies scratch their turnips over this! Or do you think they will devastate their arsenals with rhinestones? You are naive your shirt closer to the body, a story to that witness! negative
              2. +9
                4 October 2018 01: 20
                Pavel, so that there would be no further such things, Israel should stop hammering on the peaceful people in Syria and their army, hiding behind certain Iranian terrorists. Understand that you have already played too much and will not be allowed to limit anymore; sooner or later this will happen. Earlier is better for you. And stop considering yourself as gentlemen in the bosom, you will have to get you, there is something. Nobody will harness for you, well, think for yourself, Amers are already wandering. But no one will destroy your country either, a strike at airfields is quite possible and acceptable to many. You have already REACHED. And when they get the Russian out of themselves, you yourself know what happens.
                Is there information about terrorists making rockets to attack Israel? So forward to the Russian special services, work together and conduct ground operations to capture villains and industries - there will be evidence for you and us and for the Iranians to figure something out (and why should they pinch it if necessary, a reason will appear). And so - I personally DO NOT BELIEVE what Israel says that they are attacking Iranian terrorists (somehow I have little doubt that I am alone in my unbelief). Yes, you can hammer anything there. Where is the proof? How do you get such information that rocket production is there? Photos from drones and satellites? - Not okay. Agents? “It is doubtful that you have agents in Syria.” Radio interception? - Well, maybe. All together - maybe it gives something. But then again - where is the evidence? If they were, you destroy them with airstrikes, and the corpses are not suitable for interrogation.
                Your departments should go to our appropriate, you need it more. Let them carry out one ground operation, show the results to reporters - equipment, villains, artisanal rockets, then and only then, believe me, to you - Israel, a number of questions will immediately disappear. Yes, and yourself avoid many problems, that’s what you always need to step on the rake?
            2. -1
              4 October 2018 05: 22
              There is only one problem, Sergei. Rather, two. These problems respond to the names "Jericho-2" and "Jericho-3". laughing hi
          2. +2
            3 October 2018 21: 36
            Quote: Shahno
            Well, you can’t blow our blow. Why such a risk?

            Our oil and gas companies have nowhere to go. Israel needs to destabilize the situation in Syria and Iran so that these countries (geopolitical competitors) are mired in civil wars and slowed down in development. Then Western corporations will put their grabbing handles on the Sudan and Iranian oil and drive it to Europe through Syria, which will have a catastrophic effect on the Russian economy. Israel will feel comfortable, Europe will be in chocolate, and the United States will be calmer when our stupid capitalists with rulers begin to shed tears and crouch. It seems to me that the risk is justified, and you can even make an exchange of missiles if belligerent Israel begins to shoot our officers as partridges.
          3. +1
            3 October 2018 21: 58
            And you do not go into Syria and you will be happy, and your ass will not be beaten. And subjugated or not, look at the history of recent wars. And your allies, no more than allies on paper ...
            Once again we warn you, do not meddle and will not be beaten.
            1. -2
              4 October 2018 05: 27
              look at the history of recent wars

              And what will we see there ?? what Of the 5 wars that the USSR / Russian Federation Armed Forces have fought over the "extreme" 50 years, 2 are won, 2 are lost, the outcome of one is still uncertain. Doesn't inspire somehow ... tongue
              1. +4
                4 October 2018 08: 41
                You would first remember how you surrendered your France to the Germans in 38 days in 1940. smile
          4. +2
            4 October 2018 14: 05
            Is the risk justified for the purpose
            > establish peace in the region,
            > mutually beneficial relationship,
            > predictability of international business partnerships,
            > form a guaranteed peaceful tourism cluster,
            > to establish export business in the food sector,
            > eradicate the carriers and epicenters of the "terrorist plague",
            > finally stop the outflow of the local population ..
            > ...?
            I think yes.
            And what else to negotiate with the officer. Tel Aviv, if someone there (who, apparently, is not negotiable) set a goal to go fanatically along the road of stubborn shortsightedness to the very end? Alas, this is unacceptable and will be suppressed.
            1. +2
              4 October 2018 20: 16
              Is the risk justified for the purpose
              > establish peace in the region,
              > mutually beneficial relationship,
              > predictability of international business partnerships,
              > form a guaranteed peaceful tourism cluster,
              > to establish export business in the food sector,
              > eradicate the carriers and epicenters of the "terrorist plague",
              > finally stop the outflow of the local population ..
              > ...?
              I think yes.


              hi drinks
              Surprisingly, here I first heard the voice of reason about the world, about cooperation.
              Tell me how much more time it takes for the massacre to be understood by all? And didn't you become in a pose like: "My hut is on the edge, tea won't catch me"? How long does it take for people to understand that educated and spiritually strong and strong in mind is the foundation. How long does it take to understand that many with animal instincts and an animal state of mind rule the world. How long does it take to understand that it is time for the intelligent and educated to grow claws? Russia has grown them, but our spiritual basis and natural mercy does not allow us to act according to animal principles. We do not know how to attack, but we know how to defend and defend ourselves.
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              2. +1
                5 October 2018 11: 17
                Quote: Zubr
                "My hut is on the edge, tea won't catch me"

                a) Millions of years of evolution have taught primates not to meddle in a pack of predators when they tear a primitive fellow. For if they turn up, then the pack can take not only lunch, but also dinner, and also breakfast the next day. Although they are not immortal.
                b) On the other hand, if you do not meddle, then the pack will come for the next primate, and so on.
                c) So, if you plan and arm yourself correctly, you can influence the predatory flock. But this must be planned, organized, tithe for the army ... Besides, many may not return. So the brain is defending itself, taking the consciousness "into the hut on the edge."
                Quote: Zubr
                How long does it take for people to understand that educated and spiritually strong and strong minds, this is the basis

                Here, it seems to me, the problem is not really "How long does it take for people to understand ...", but "spiritually strong and strong in mind":
                a) They cannot always agree to "work like a galley" for "thanks" and for an indistinct idea for the benefit of the people and the state post-crisis territory - the majority is still striving to simply somehow survive, to educate children, no longer wasting time and inner strength on philosophical justifications and aspirations);
                b) those who are "other" - may well agree and find an incentive for themselves in power - this is
                - special preferences;
                - and privatization of state deposits. resources;
                - and lobbying their / partner enterprises at public procurement competitions;
                - and the elitism (that is - selective accessibility) of education,
                - And of course, dynastic traditions in power within the framework of democratic processes;
                Those. it is more convenient and understandable to agree on parasitism, and the goal of common actions is not far off, but is spelled out in contracts: "In the afternoon money - in the evening chairs" (h.f. "12 chairs") - and who in an entrepreneurial common sense will refuse ambulances and predictable prospects?
                Moreover, for a separate bribe one can hand over those who are "My hut on the edge", so to speak, by organizing uninterrupted supplies of "khataskray fat primates" (read, sovereign state) one at a time - in the menu of the predatory pack.
                Total: Those who are needed by the people (anyone) - simply will not be allowed in a good way (minister’s chairs are not fools wiping tea). And those who will sit
                - will be able to organize into partner communities,
                - sees a very specific benefit from his occupation,
                - will be able to competently build security structures for staying on "Olympus" only for their candidates,
                - build dynastic power transfer algorithms.
                Quote: Zubr
                How long does it take to understand that it’s time for smart and educated to grow claws

                Wah! The symphony is straight. But claws are effective in the context of the united aspiration of like-minded people with organizational skills above average (mind you, I'm not saying "outstanding" - and what will one such person like Beria do now, and even without the right to be shot and detained on personal instruction?). And where to find such a complex? Even a sensible probable successor to our guarantor is not visible or audible ("Bear substitute" does not count).
                Quote: Zubr
                but the spiritual basis and our natural mercy, we are not allowed to do according to animal principles. We do not know how to attack, but we know how to defend and defend.

                Forced to conclude directly from your phrase
                - it means we always be in defense;
                - the enemy (no matter how dangerous, insufferable, merciless, bloodthirsty, blasphemous, corrupting) we will not defeat, having defeated, because then I will have to repress the peaceful, but in fact malicious population with different views, I think millions of (it is impossible to reformat the floor of the world with a bare ideology in the name of a controlled future;
                - continue to tolerate his alien / inert / corruptive / economically disadvantageous / threatening influence.

                PS: What to do? - To select people according to their abilities in accordance with their position.
                How? - By scanning the brain and objectively determining the corresponding brain fields for "above average" capabilities in a certain field of activity (the theoretical part has existed for a long time - to professor, Doctor of Biological Sciences S.V. Saveliev).
                Than? - An ultra-precise tomograph for which he senses. aggregates of the required accuracy yet.
                Where to get? Should. to be state. order. For various reasons, it is extremely difficult to do this in a private way, because it requires active. participation of brain specialists of different directions and levels of candidates of science for many decades + protection of the object in the first. turn from their own elite, which is likely to "leave the scene."

                And then we'll see ...
    2. +6
      3 October 2018 14: 32
      Quote: Zubr
      smile Well, well ... wait for the first hit, and then look at the result.

      I think until the first shot down an Israeli plane.
      1. +15
        3 October 2018 14: 45
        Today, the United States scouted for 4 hours. Now the possibility is not ruled out that the states, together with Israel, are preparing another vile provocation and will overwhelm the passenger side, and then Russia will be blamed for the whole world.
        1. +1
          3 October 2018 22: 47
          Og and greek will use with 300! With such a dense radar field, it will be a couple of hours to find out who shot where and from!
          1. 0
            4 October 2018 01: 34
            I agree. Hide such a bend will not work. They spin there - like we get on our nerves. Or they are waiting for the inclusion of satellite suppression and the operation of navigation equipment, as promised by Sergey Kuzhugetovich. Suicide bombers laughing
      2. +8
        3 October 2018 14: 57
        Quote: Wend
        I think until the first shot down an Israeli plane.

        nobody will shoot him down, unless by mistake, the su-24 will be shot down. in order to carry out some action, well, at least to protect their soldiers in Syria, the leadership must have the will and desire to protect them. neither one nor the other is observed, at least put the S-1500 in position. let them learn from the Jews, we will defend our vital interests in Syria anyway, period. But they will be, and they will protect. while ours are still training in front of the mirror to express concern
        1. +15
          3 October 2018 15: 18
          Yes, why are you so nervous then! Learn of course! Although the Jews, even the Americans, even the entire Western alliance take turns! Learn how to hide behind Lebanese! Learn setups and shooting from around the corner! Your business. We just put our air defense systems into Syria, and you climbed into the armored car! And by the way, you are now expressing concern! Did not notice?
          1. +6
            3 October 2018 15: 33
            Quote: Detective
            We just put our air defense systems into Syria, and you climbed into the armored car! And by the way, you are now expressing concern! Did not notice?

            laughing Offset good , almost according to Artem Sheinin Yes
            1. +7
              3 October 2018 15: 45
              Quote: Tersky
              Standings, almost according to Artem Sheinin

              Yes, already tired of these eternal students of the Israeli professors!
          2. -1
            3 October 2018 18: 16
            [quote = Detective] And by the way, you are now expressing concern! Did not notice?[
            why should I bother? we have a bunch of leaders of all stripes who are only doing this, but not learning a damn thing. even on the deaths of his soldiers. there’s even one like that, almost a field marshal
            and about the Lebanese to hide behind, how many Amers and Jews died? They are waging war without sacrificing soldiers
        2. +3
          3 October 2018 20: 01
          Alas, this is so. Only the patriots still believe in fairy tales.
      3. +1
        3 October 2018 15: 44
        Is it possible?
      4. +4
        3 October 2018 18: 39
        This time the "goose" will be bold. And only with a broken face, Adir will not get off, I think. At least 2 months, while the training is in progress, our ZyRiki will be at the control panel. And they are, oh, how angry they are at the arrogant strangers. angry And 15 guys need revenge. And you are free to do what they allow you.
    3. +7
      3 October 2018 15: 30
      you need not only to bring weapons there, but also without hesitation to use them to protect the interests of the country, and not to dance in front of the same Israel.
    4. +4
      3 October 2018 16: 00
      Figs these "chosen ones" that they will continue, oblomidze has already arrived, let sidebears bite themselves
      1. Egg
        +3
        3 October 2018 17: 31
        Quote: Sarmat Sanych
        Figs these "chosen ones" that they will continue, oblomidze has already arrived, let sidebears bite themselves
        .
        Until the complex is officially transferred to Syria, the Israelis will fly. Ours will not shoot them 100%, except that they scare them with a radar.
        But when we officially announce that the Jews have already handed over their turnips, the Syrians will beat them down with great pleasure, it was painful for these neighbors to get them, and not only the Syrians.
        1. 0
          3 October 2018 18: 51
          Shoigu highlighted that electronic warfare is now blocking at a distant 200 km, at a near 50 km. And this is more serious than launching missiles.
        2. -2
          4 October 2018 06: 55
          Do you really believe that one battery S-300VM will keep the "Hel Avir" from operations against the SAR ?? It's funny ... lol
      2. +7
        3 October 2018 18: 49
        Quote: Sarmat Sanych
        Figs these "chosen ones" that they will continue, oblomidze has already arrived, let sidebears bite themselves

        It will be interesting to remind you of your comment when the Jews once again bombed around Syria.
    5. 0
      4 October 2018 03: 53
      Four cars - one battery ... not enough. True, if the Syrian air defense system is integrated into the Russian one, then you’ll understand who the hell he shot, who shot down ... Yes, and electronic warfare can blind both the carrier and the missile in such a way that it won’t show up.
    6. -1
      4 October 2018 06: 09
      Learn from Israel, or else just twist backwards and express deep concern.
    7. DPN
      +1
      5 October 2018 01: 42
      As always, we will have to wash ourselves until 41 years old.
  2. +17
    3 October 2018 14: 12
    Well, let them try, check the S-300 in combat conditions on Israeli vultures
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      1. +5
        3 October 2018 14: 37
        here it is ignorance of the materiel. The S-200 beats farther than the S-300P *.
        and then for some, the larger the number in the name, the further it hits.
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          1. +6
            3 October 2018 14: 59
            What, are you trying to blame the Russians in advance for a downed civilian plane?
            Have the hosts already given the go-ahead?
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              1. 0
                3 October 2018 15: 34
                Yes, I see, I see.
                We did not expect anything else from you either.
                Any normal person knows what the Israeli authors of provocations are capable of.
                I am sure that your next provocation will be even more cynical, even bloodier, and the howl about the guilt of the Russians will stand even louder.
                1. -1
                  3 October 2018 16: 26
                  In your opinion, if you laughed and shot down the wrong side by mistake, then it’s not you who is to blame, but provocateurs, enemies and somebody else. Well, who is the Jew here? laughing
              2. +10
                3 October 2018 15: 36
                artak-we ourselves give the monkeys weapons — it’s you who thinks about our contracts with your Armenia.
          2. +11
            3 October 2018 15: 23
            Quote: artak
            Well, you can somehow reach Antalya, Beirut and Larnaca. And you look there - Russia will throw new long-range missiles to Assadushka, so that there would be no bored air pilots and air traffic controllers in Tel Aviv. Then, given the fact that the Russians have special feelings for Assad, you’ll throw and S - 400, and there you look - and the newest S - 500 (they say - this device is being tested and the Russian generals are delighted with it !!) And you settled it - it hits less.

            And you, Artak, who cares more? For Israel or for the USA ?! I think all the same for the USA! Israel works very effectively in Azerbaijan, at least for now! And your patrons only give you promises instead of investments! Do you think with the strengthening of air defense of Syria, the Americans will not remember at all who the Armenians are ... where is this Armenia ...
            1. +2
              3 October 2018 19: 16
              Do you think with the strengthening of air defense of Syria, the Americans will not remember at all who the Armenians are ... where is this Armenia ...

              Rather, Artak is not an Armenian, but a provocateur. Do not pay attention. Syria is a friendly country that recognized the genocide. And all who are against are potential enemies.
              1. +3
                3 October 2018 19: 34
                Yes, "artak" is most likely "rapier", "mamertine", ramzik, in short
        2. +3
          3 October 2018 16: 25
          Air defense complexes marked "S-300" hit depending on which missile is loaded into them! laughing soldier
        3. +1
          4 October 2018 03: 54
          here it’s important not who has longer, but who knows how to use it ...
        4. +1
          4 October 2018 06: 59
          Actually - it depends on which modifications to compare. There are S-300 models that have a longer range than some S-200 models. hi
      2. +5
        3 October 2018 15: 34
        artak-time to the cashier, 30 shekels deserved to receive for work for the glory of Israel, otherwise they will change their minds, and it turns out that you serve them exclusively for free am
    2. +13
      3 October 2018 14: 29
      Quote: hrych
      check C-300 in combat conditions on Israeli vultures

      Shoigu said that the 3 of the month should be taught Syrians to work on C-300.
      This means we have a real opportunity to show a master class to our wards. For example, to work out the tactical technique "Destruction of SUFA-type fighters upon their return to the airfield after they have applied BSHU / RU on protected objects."
      If it does not work, you can proceed to the execution of the BU "Destruction of the enemy aircraft during takeoff from the airfield".
      The main thing is that the Jews do not decide to hide behind on the civilian sides. With them will become!
      1. +11
        3 October 2018 14: 32
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Nullification of fighter aircraft of the SUFA type upon returning to the airdrome after they have applied BShU / RU at the protected objects

        But is it not a task to disrupt a strike on an object, but to destroy an airplane after a strike on departure?
        1. 0
          3 October 2018 15: 00
          In this case, both this and that. But perhaps the second is more important.
        2. +2
          3 October 2018 15: 21
          Break the strike on the object, there will be electronic warfare complexes but destroy the plane what if such an order is given then yes!
      2. +4
        3 October 2018 14: 36
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        3 of the month you need to train Syrians to work on C-300.

        laughing I studied with the Indians somehow. The length of the nickel wire ... In general, I hesitated. request
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        1. +1
          3 October 2018 15: 01
          Wait a while, howl and jump, no one has yet hit anyone.
          Suddenly your friends won't get another dirty trick?
        2. +1
          3 October 2018 15: 28
          And let them travel from calf on foot or kayak if they don’t want to live peacefully with their neighbors
          1. 0
            5 October 2018 11: 46
            Quote: faridg7
            +1
            And let them travel from calf on foot or kayak if they don’t want to live peacefully with their neighbors

            yeah, on trampolines
        3. +2
          3 October 2018 15: 39
          the artak monitor is not completely spit, saliva is like a herd of camels, that’s watering Mother Russia with mud. fool
      4. jjj
        +7
        3 October 2018 14: 39
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        The main thing is that the Jews do not decide to hide behind on the civilian sides. With them will become!

        Greetings, Alexander!
        I will express my point of view: I believe that the supply of C-300 to Syria was already planned. Israel worked out a civilian cover system in advance and demonstrated it using the IL-20 as an example. In fact, this is a challenge for Russia. For political and military balance, the calculations must necessarily bring down several aircraft, preferably together with the F-35. Then in the region many issues will begin to be resolved faster.
      5. +4
        3 October 2018 15: 16
        Israel can strike without entering Syrian airspace with -GBU-39 and JASSM-ER missiles
        1. +3
          3 October 2018 15: 55
          And here is the most intrigue. Will they only shoot down rockets or planes too?
          1. +3
            3 October 2018 15: 58
            I agree the most intrigue is what will be brought down!
          2. +1
            3 October 2018 18: 20
            Quote: Mister Creed
            +3
            And here is the most intrigue. Will they only shoot down rockets or planes too?

            as always, and rockets and carriers
            1. 0
              4 October 2018 09: 24
              Quote: aglet
              as always, and rockets and carriers

              Subtle humor! ALWAYS a keyword. That is always neither this nor that. At least nothing is publicly voiced except as the armor shot the drone. Well, the Tomahawks landed. Well, for a long time it was not clear how true.
    3. 0
      3 October 2018 15: 08
      Quote: hrych
      +10
      Well, let them try, check the S-300 in combat conditions on Israeli vultures

      respectable grunt. your statement looks ridiculous. The Syriac horned foot need to be taught for a very long time, well for a very long time. therefore, in the coming year, what is s-300, which is not, is exactly the same. and then either the donkey dies, or ... and then the batteries of the s-300 die. the Syrians had a hundred times the opportunity to bring down something Jewish, because they had never taken advantage of it. and air defense is not only missiles, but also fighters, and anti-aircraft guns, and mza, well, there are a lot of things. the only success they have on our account is our silt. why do you think the s-300 will be different?
      1. +2
        3 October 2018 16: 16
        Not the only one, in February 1 f-16 shot down, but this did not stop further strikes
      2. +1
        3 October 2018 19: 39
        Quote: aglet
        The Syriac horned foot need to be taught for a very long time, well for a very long time. therefore, in the coming year, what is s-300, which is not, is exactly the same. and there either the donkey will die, or

        It seems to have clarified this issue, but you wandered around at that time, apparently ... request
        1. -1
          3 October 2018 19: 43
          Explain how you see the situation.
          1. +2
            3 October 2018 20: 17
            Quote: Shahno
            0
            Explain how you see the situation.

            And why did everyone decide that the calculations would be "Arab-Persian"? But that's not even the point, the case with the Russian plane, undermines confidence in the Israeli side, whatever you want, but none of my acquaintances imputed, does not believe that Israel was not involved in this incident ... However, as the country's leadership decides, so be it. I can't see this from my sofa.
          2. 0
            4 October 2018 02: 09

            Shahno (Paul) Yesterday, 19: 43
            -1
            Explain how the viewеthose are the situation.

            ... as a viewЕm, so see right away ... laughing
  3. +4
    3 October 2018 14: 15
    "The war plan will show where to dig trenches ..." (c)
  4. +5
    3 October 2018 14: 18
    Again the question - And what is the order of the C300 calculation commander ??? That is what the minister said, are we defending ourselves to prevent?
    Can the Jewish minister know more?
    Fortune telling again ..... it’s good if it doesn’t work on the guts of the one whom they are called to protect!
    I DO NOT LIKE IT!
  5. +15
    3 October 2018 14: 19
    As practice shows, coordinating actions with Jews is too expensive!
    1. +8
      3 October 2018 14: 24
      Quote: Elephant
      As practice shows, coordinating actions with Jews is too expensive!

      well there where they are not
      1. +4
        3 October 2018 15: 51
        Probably only at the court of the Japanese emperor
      2. -3
        3 October 2018 19: 14
        Quote: Balu
        Quote: Elephant
        As practice shows, coordinating actions with Jews is too expensive!

        well there where they are not

        Correctly. Therefore, in Hollywood (Beverly Hills there all sorts) and in Manhattan sucks, but in Central Africa and Papua New Guinea, paradise, money and civilization!
        1. +2
          3 October 2018 19: 41
          Quote: Krasnodar

          Correctly. Therefore, in Hollywood (Beverly Hills there all sorts) and in Manhattan sucks, but in Central Africa and Papua New Guinea, paradise, money and civilization!

          Haifa - hello! laughing
          1. -2
            3 October 2018 19: 45
            Quote: Tank Hard
            Quote: Krasnodar

            Correctly. Therefore, in Hollywood (Beverly Hills there all sorts) and in Manhattan sucks, but in Central Africa and Papua New Guinea, paradise, money and civilization!

            Haifa - hello! laughing

            He lived in Tel Aviv if laughing
  6. +4
    3 October 2018 14: 22
    Let's see what happens. It was painfully long and carefully to build "relationships" and their lobby is strong. So if there is an unspoken order "We are at war here, we are not at war here" again close to excess. And after that there will be a cry, they say, the S-300 did not help and finally they and so on on all the bumps
  7. +2
    3 October 2018 14: 24
    return working relations with the Russian side to "normal mode"

    If he thinks what was normal before September 17, we can reassure him, and the entire Israeli public - to this "Portland, we will never have to return."
    1. +2
      3 October 2018 22: 59
      Something funny days went with politicians! One chicken from Fashington promises to shoot down Russian missiles, which is not provided for by the treaty, another deer yells: "We are immortals and we will tear everything that interferes with us in order to bomb a sovereign country!" In general, necrosis of the brain, and even shouted medicine in Israel at its best.
      You cannot even cure your leadership! laughing Yes, and a question for last, to which
      so no one answered me from Israel. If you are such a great invulnerable war, why are you all indulging in negotiations with the Russians? You are great winners, why do you need anyone
      to negotiate?
  8. +18
    3 October 2018 14: 25
    He was a yap, which he had never seen. In Israel they laugh at him. If he was sitting in the cockpit, he would speak differently. Another's ass, you can kill a hedgehog.
    1. +2
      3 October 2018 14: 52
      Chatterbox-yap - this is understandable, but Israel, as I understand it, will not give up its tasks and goals. But how to perform them now for at least 3 months, while the soldiers of the Russian Army will be sitting at the S-300 panels, that’s the question.
    2. +5
      3 October 2018 15: 38
      This is a yap, the country's defense minister, whether you laugh at him or not, it doesn’t matter, it is important that his instructions and orders are followed. You at least cry, at least laugh, and obey the order.
    3. +1
      3 October 2018 17: 45
      Well, it’s not just Lebirman’s choice
  9. +7
    3 October 2018 14: 25
    I would like to quickly land God's chosen ones on the sand
    1. +8
      3 October 2018 14: 38
      Dmitry, I will correct you a little, not "ON" sand, but "B" sand. And so I agree.
    2. +5
      3 October 2018 14: 42
      Yes, even if only to land, and more ... hi
    3. 0
      3 October 2018 20: 14
      Quote: bogart047
      I would like to quickly land God's chosen ones on the sand


      Well then I would like to stroke and grate
      1. +4
        3 October 2018 23: 04
        Start ironing, so I look at your sore topic! laughing Well so you do not need a forum, but a psychiatrist. Heal for health hi
  10. +7
    3 October 2018 14: 27
    Isn’t it time to close the airspace for civilian aircraft over Israel, + over the middle part of the Middle Sea adjacent to the territory of Israel? Chota is very similar to situevina with a Boeing in Ukraine ...
    In such a JUMP with aircraft of the Air Force, air defense missile defense, electronic warfare from each and every one you can expect anything! Moreover, the "ends" - again "into the water" ...
    1. +3
      3 October 2018 17: 27
      Quote: seld
      Isn’t it time to close the airspace for civilian aircraft over Israel, + over the middle part of the Middle Sea adjacent to the territory of Israel? Chota is very similar to situevina with a Boeing in Ukraine ...
      In such a JUMP with aircraft of the Air Force, air defense missile defense, electronic warfare from each and every one you can expect anything! Moreover, the "ends" - again "into the water" ...

      And it's high time. They even here on the forum argue their actions by saying that they are at war with Syria. So if the Syrians take down a civilian side over Israel, it will be Israel who is to blame for this and no one else - the country conducting the war, has no right to allow civilian aircraft into its skies.
  11. +7
    3 October 2018 14: 28
    Some "exceptional" everywhere in the world behave like an elephant in a china shop, not giving a damn about all world law, only hiding behind it, while not forgetting to bring democracy to where the interests of their corporations are in the common people where you can profit. Others, who also consider themselves almost anointed of God, behave in the same way towards all their neighbors! At the same time, putting their own interests above the interests of others and international law. Wanted - bombed ... And that's it ...
    Two of a Kind! Yes request
  12. -2
    3 October 2018 14: 28
    Well, I read the mantra and calm down.
  13. +1
    3 October 2018 14: 30
    what kind of hotline are we talking about if they not only warned late, but also lied about the place! Worthless such hotlines if you lie about the data!
    1. +3
      3 October 2018 16: 02
      The concept of warning can be interpreted in different ways. Warned a minute before issuing an order, a minute before warming up the engines, a minute before shelling? These are all warnings and all are made in advance.
    2. 0
      3 October 2018 23: 07
      I agree with you. The warning time was not too long, but also the location was indicated different! All the same, they are shkolota, they have spoiled and aside, it’s not us angry
      1. -3
        3 October 2018 23: 34
        Quote: milton
        I agree with you. The warning time was not too long, but also the location was indicated different! All the same, they are shkolota, they have spoiled and aside, it’s not us angry

        If a military man is told that the strike will be in the North, it means that it is in the North from you, and not in Greenland.
        Latakia is the north-north-west of Hmeimim, the north of Israel, but not the north of Syria - this is nonsense! There are Kurds, there are Turks, there are Barmalei, but if there are Russians, then there are special operations forces that no one should know about, i.e. no one would have warned of such a blow through deconflicting.
        As for cheating at the place of impact - a golem lie. There is such a thing - military topography. Pts many would not hurt to study. And if the Israeli woman said exactly the military - in a minute a strike at ten minutes to twelve - then Konashenkov would have voiced an even more interesting version - the Israelis deceived us in the time of the strike.
  14. +4
    3 October 2018 14: 31
    Too emotional, it feels like they know something that we don’t know.
    1. +1
      3 October 2018 15: 05
      Well, of course they know that they are the only right people, and we, on the contrary, are savages and non-humans.
      Our task is their knowledge to hammer them back into their throats.
  15. -7
    3 October 2018 14: 31
    September 17, the Israeli attack did not see the S-400. Hence all the reports about the “firing” French ship, hence the order to the IL to fly to the air defense zone, etc.
    And Lieberman’s self-confidence is caused by the same reason.
    1. +12
      3 October 2018 14: 46
      Quote: Krasnodar
      September 17, the Israeli attack did not see the S-400. Hence all the reports about the “firing” French ship, hence the order to the IL to fly to the air defense zone, etc.
      And Lieberman’s self-confidence is caused by the same reason.

      The S-400 just saw the attack and tracked it. Ours even made this data public. But the means that Russia has used in Syria includes more than one S-400. The air defense missile systems are intended for war, and RTV assets should be used to track the situation and issue target designations.
      And Lieberman is self-confident for another reason: NEVER in modern history have Arabs been able to 100% use the capabilities of complex Soviet / Russian technology. And 50% did not use these opportunities. And training here gives little - not feed on the horse. And this is the main difference between Arabs and Vietnamese, Cubans, Eastern Europeans. So the main danger here is that the Syrians will not work, and this will be perceived as a weakness of the S-300. It would be better if the Russian air defense effort - IMHO. hi
      1. -3
        3 October 2018 15: 03
        Quote: andj61

        The S-400 just saw the attack and tracked it. Ours even made this data public. But the means that Russia has used in Syria includes more than one S-400. The air defense missile systems are intended for war, and RTV assets should be used to track the situation and issue target designations.
        And Lieberman is self-confident for another reason: NEVER in modern history have Arabs been able to 100% use the capabilities of complex Soviet / Russian technology. And 50% did not use these opportunities. And training here gives little - not feed on the horse. And this is the main difference between Arabs and Vietnamese, Cubans, Eastern Europeans. So the main danger here is that the Syrians will not work, and this will be perceived as a weakness of the S-300. It would be better if the Russian air defense effort - IMHO. hi

        Russian air defense in Syria must be strengthened one by one. The published picture with Konashenkov’s comments did not inspire confidence among either Russian specialists or Western “partners.” Let's just say more questions than answers. As for the Syrians - I agree. Moreover, they still have far worse performance among Arab air defense - during the 1973 war, the percentage of aircraft shot down by their air defense for Syria was 13, for Egypt 40%, for Iraq during the war with Iran - 30 percent.
  16. +5
    3 October 2018 14: 33
    They will launch rockets from their territory; Jews are unlikely to decide now on an open provocation.
  17. +13
    3 October 2018 14: 39
    Nothing will happen. In Russia, half of the members of the government and the oligarchs are Jews, they will be able to agree with Israel
    1. 0
      3 October 2018 17: 59
      Or Israel to agree with its citizens sitting in the Russian government and the oligarchs who have Israeli citizenship, because some categories of citizens have something delayed in Israel.
  18. +1
    3 October 2018 14: 39
    It's time to strike at Israel. And not by ourselves. Do you need a sweet life? To throw real weapons into Palestine. So as not to relax
    1. +2
      3 October 2018 15: 18
      Quote: Jerk
      It's time to strike at Israel. And not by ourselves. Do you need a sweet life? To throw real weapons into Palestine. So as not to relax

      Only you are relaxing on the couch.
      Puncher found
      1. +1
        3 October 2018 19: 45
        Quote: Totah155 Mk 2
        Puncher found

        There would be something ... wink
      2. +1
        3 October 2018 23: 12
        Yes, and you are an Internet troll, a great military man! Don't tell my sneakers. You are even more couch soldier than your opponent. I don't think you even were in the army. Again this paid gang "30 shekels" laughing
        1. 0
          4 October 2018 07: 26
          Quote: milton
          Yes, and you are an Internet troll, a great military man! Don't tell my sneakers. You are even more couch soldier than your opponent. I don't think you even were in the army. Again this paid gang "30 shekels" laughing

          Oh, another lover of counting strangers shekels turned up
  19. +1
    3 October 2018 14: 43
    Israel will not curtail its operations in Syriasince it cannot refuse them, even despite the delivery to this country of Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems

    One promised here not to climb into the garden ... It remains only to prepare a worthy response to Israeli rudeness. Revenge is a dish that needs to be served cold - says popular wisdom. Let's look at these "hawks" when Syria has deployed air defense systems in full and in echelon. At the same time, it is not necessary to discard the rights of our compatriots to "reward" the brothers and sisters of the "chosen" people ...
    1. -1
      3 October 2018 15: 07
      And yes, we must be prepared that there will be losses on our part, preferably as small as possible.
      Do not hysteria about this
  20. +4
    3 October 2018 14: 44
    This whole Jewish holiday of life until the first corpses under the blue nuts. After that, a more sensible and sensible policy will begin.
    1. -4
      3 October 2018 15: 08
      Then the universal howl and cry will begin about the poor, unfortunate Jews whom the evil Russia wants to destroy.
  21. +2
    3 October 2018 14: 49
    Fighting for its vital interests, Israel by such methods has substantially worsened the situation in the region for itself. And the likelihood is high that, in doing so, an even more serious deterioration will occur, as a result of which there will be a fork in front of Israel - or war, or shame and loss of face. And somehow I hardly believe that they will choose face loss. But is it better, from whom will it be? Maybe it's time to reconsider the approaches?
    1. +1
      3 October 2018 15: 08
      In the sense of a nuclear warhead?
      1. +2
        3 October 2018 17: 36
        No, in the sense of negotiating, not launching missiles with bombs
  22. +2
    3 October 2018 14: 53
    4 launchers ... this is just a symbolic gesture.
    How many regimental kits here were predicted by local experts?
    1. 0
      4 October 2018 07: 08
      These were not "local experts", but "a whole Kommersant" with its "informed sources in the RF Ministry of Defense" lol - from 4 to 8 regiment sets. bully
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  24. +1
    3 October 2018 14: 54
    Question. What will happen if Israeli planes start firing at targets located in Syria while in Lebanon, and rockets are launched in response to them. Further, the rocket, for example, does not crash a plane, but falls into Lebanon. Will this give rise to another conflict or declaration of war on Syria by Lebanon? And who then will be considered the instigator of the war?
    1. -1
      3 October 2018 15: 11
      Will not fall. Self-destructs.
      1. 0
        3 October 2018 15: 16
        So, and the fragments also self-destruct?
        1. -2
          3 October 2018 15: 29
          The shards will fall.
          But the fallen fragments, and the explosion of warheads - these are two big differences.
  25. +3
    3 October 2018 15: 04
    He considers that one of his main tasks is to return the working relations with the Russian side to a “normal mode” in order to coordinate their actions and more actively activate the “hot line”.


    Enough, we know your "normal" work and "hot" line ... warn ours a minute before the attack of their f-holes !!! am
    1. -1
      3 October 2018 15: 15
      Quote: Black Sniper


      Enough, we know your "normal" work and "hot" line ... warn ours a minute before the attack of their f-holes !!! am

      Ten minutes before the defeat of targets, and based on the second briefing by Konashenkov at that moment, there was not a single Russian ship or plane on the attacked territory (industrial area north of AB Khmeimim).
  26. -8
    3 October 2018 15: 05
    I think with his statement, Lieberman only wants to save the other planes of Assad's allies.
    1. +3
      3 October 2018 15: 31
      Yes, we have no doubt for a long time in your bragging and contempt for us.
      You can not continue in a circle.
      Everything is already clear.
      We’ll wait for the results now.
    2. 0
      4 October 2018 15: 31
      Quote: alexsipin
      I think with his statement, Lieberman only wants to save the other planes of Assad's allies.

      I think with his statements and actions, Lieberman wants to make Israel new enemies, as if the old ones are few. Only now - why?
  27. +5
    3 October 2018 16: 04
    Israel will not curtail its operations in Syria, since it cannot refuse them, even despite the supply of S-300 Russian anti-aircraft missile systems to this country

    The biggest sin of the Jews is pride. You can only express sympathy for them (it’s hard to sit on a hedgehog and convince everyone with a smile that this is just a soft toy).
  28. +2
    3 October 2018 16: 07
    S-200 or S-300 ..... They will knock down, they will not knock down ... Not this daisy should bother, but why one state, without declaring war, can bomb another state. And everyone pretends that it should. After all, they can come to us and say, here we will seize part of the territory, bomb a little because we are fighting terrorism, and you are a hotbed of this ...
    1. +2
      3 October 2018 17: 05
      Israel and the SAR at war since 19 .. shaggy year. They do not have a peace treaty
      1. 0
        3 October 2018 18: 32
        And Turkey and the USA?
      2. +2
        3 October 2018 18: 48
        Quote: October 20
        Israel and the SAR at war since 19 .. shaggy year. They do not have a peace treaty

        Oops ... Can you safely bomb Japan? belay
  29. 0
    3 October 2018 16: 08
    Now it is farting so far, but as the S-300 flies, I can imagine how it will get cheaper!
  30. 0
    3 October 2018 16: 12
    Let's wait for the results!
  31. +1
    3 October 2018 16: 20
    When it comes to the security of the country, Israel, defending itself, attacked the United States and the Soviets
    There are publications on the Internet about the Israeli missile strike against a US ship during the six-day war of 1967. As a result of which there were dead, then the United States was not an ally of Israel.
    In 1982 Israel destroyed the Syrian air defense and the Soviet troops left Syria.
    The supply of Syria S-300, unfortunately, will only bring nearer the key to the century, which weapons are more perfect: if Israeli planes suffer, Syrian air defense will be destroyed.
    Let's hope this does not happen.
    1. +1
      3 October 2018 16: 27
      It is sad that the Russians can also "sit" there. Still, our people are partly ... Let's hope that we will be able to coordinate somehow. And then, damn it, after three months of study, the Arabs will make such a bell, no matter how they actually shoot down a civilian board.
    2. 0
      4 October 2018 07: 11
      You should be a little more careful (C) to learn military history. Yes, and monitor modern military events with great care. bully
  32. +2
    3 October 2018 16: 20
    ... to "one big Iranian military base" ...
    fool Lieberman - it seems you put everything in your pants there and suffer from delusions of grandeur! wassat
  33. +1
    3 October 2018 17: 08
    to return working relations with the Russian side to "normal mode" in order to coordinate their actions in the future and to more actively use the "hot line".
    We will return, return to "normal mode" and give the go-ahead via the hotline ... after the Iskanders are delivered to the Syrians good
  34. +2
    3 October 2018 17: 20
    Lieberman: Israel will continue to strike at Syria, despite the C-300

    Yes, for the sake of all the Gods. This is violet for us. You can immediately beat your head against the wall, you even have a special one for this.
    Just don’t cry that the Jews have been secreted and put into bags, it’s only your sovereign choice. Yes
    1. +1
      3 October 2018 17: 36
      He explained that Israel's interests are affected in Syria, as Iran wants to turn the territory of Syria into "one large military base of Iran."

      Are Iran’s interests not affected when they bomb its ally? On what basis are the Jews bombing? Iran is not at war with Israel. Even if under the agreement of Syria and Iran there will be a number of bases, this is not the reason. By the same logic, Russia mother should have smashed Japan, Poland and the Czech Republic for a long time, right? After all, it is in a ring that is constantly being compressed. Therefore, there is no reason. There is no war with Iran. Let them resolve the issue either politically or by economic leverage. But the interest of Russia may be that there is no Israel at all, what now to press a button?
      1. +1
        3 October 2018 17: 59
        And what, you and Poland or the Czech Republic do not have a peace treaty or a state of war. But with Japan there is just a sluggish dispute ...
        It is interesting that Russia answered the call of the official authorities of Japan to destroy the inhabitants of the disputed islands? Would you like to negotiate?
  35. +1
    3 October 2018 17: 58
    Definitely need to land a couple of Israeli aircraft. Otherwise, we lose our authority and nobody will seriously take us. Losing the trust of the Syrians and Iran.
  36. +1
    3 October 2018 18: 25
    Lieberman: Israel will continue to strike at Syria, despite the C-300
    Let it be, will not cry only. It’s not for you to sign up for suicide bombing. You are not in danger of C-300.
    In the end, Jews were already overwhelmed.
    1. 0
      3 October 2018 19: 28
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      In the end, Jews were already overwhelmed.

      They are accustomed to impunity and the UN rejects them. Everyone was silent in the world, including Russia ..
      15 Russians were cunningly framed and killed, hoping for our naivety and fear of world Zionism .. Now let's see! Putin got involved in a dangerous game, but sooner or later it had to be done (I hope they will shoot down, and not stay out) Shoigu said 3 months for the whole setup and readiness .. Wait! soldier
      1. +2
        3 October 2018 23: 20
        So they just lie under the Americans, paws to the top and save us sir! As always tricky .... e
  37. 0
    3 October 2018 18: 27
    They want a campaign as it was in Egypt in 1970) I hope the mind will prevail, and they will understand the stupidity of their actions)
  38. +2
    3 October 2018 18: 30
    Nevertheless, Stalin planted a "bomb" on us with the creation of Israel ... Now we are suffering with these "God's chosen" and blood has been pouring since the day this was created, I don't know what else to call it ..

    Or maybe Stalin was right, though?
    1. +1
      3 October 2018 19: 03
      It is interesting that Russia answered the call of the official authorities of Japan to destroy the inhabitants of the disputed islands? Would you like to negotiate?


      Dear, they called us to drop the bomb, although the former prime minister called us and the axis of Evil, they call us the main enemy of the United States, and the bases of our enemy are exactly where I pointed. So, now declare all these territories an exclusive zone of interests of Russia and demolish everything there? Hello, or are you fooling around when you write this? Or do not catch the difference between SPEAK and DO. Now, when Iran starts to twitch, then break its horns, and why become impudent?
      1. +2
        3 October 2018 19: 06
        And with the Czech Republic and Poland, we have a missile defense system ..

        And nothing, we are negotiating, at the same time we are strengthening Kaliningrad, we are throwing up the Iskander and deploying the S-400, but we are not flying anyone to bomb, surrounding the IS.
  39. +2
    3 October 2018 22: 02
    What a look from the official scared-thieving .....
    1. +2
      3 October 2018 23: 21
      There is a certain trickiness in his look! laughing
      1. 0
        4 October 2018 02: 45
        Bad heredity. By the way, there is a fact that at the beginning of the 20th century the population of western Ukraine, Lviv, was artificially infected with the syphilis virus from Austria-Hungary, and if you look closely at people from those places, then many notice some physical deviations, the same slanting eye, speech impairment, etc. (he noticed this, back in 2012, before the Maidan, he worked part time at a construction site, where Ukrainians, including from the West in number in the first place, even more Uzbeks, only this fact came to me much later, when read about it and understood)., maybe the comrade in the picture has roots from those places who know him.
  40. +1
    3 October 2018 22: 22
    Quote: aglet
    the leadership must have a will and a desire to protect them. neither one nor the other is observed, at least put the S-1500 in position.

    Rather, you do not have sanity. It’s hard to imagine how to write such comments while observing the whole picture.
    However, this is another demonstration of why there are team posts and there are performers.
  41. +1
    3 October 2018 22: 46
    Quote: zenion
    He was a yap, which he had never seen. In Israel they laugh at him. If he was sitting in the cockpit, he would speak differently. Another's ass, you can kill a hedgehog.

    And how would he speak?
  42. +2
    3 October 2018 22: 57
    Sobim sobim, sobim ... fortune-telling on a camomile.
    Putin is EXTREMELY a humane person, but someone uses this, and yet he gives a chance.
    Shoigu - "let's cool the hot heads." Those. The S-300 was installed so that Israel would not fly and bomb a foreign state. If Israel's Defense Minister does not understand this, then the poor Israelis.
    The heads will be cooled - maybe S-300 ... maybe Iskander. But the heads will cool.
    And again, for those who did not understand: Putin is AN EXTREMELY humane person ... today he said the following: “This would free our hands to protect our national interests by such means that we consider most effective for us”, The Russian leader explained.
    I think it’s clear what is at stake.
  43. 0
    3 October 2018 23: 55
    No matter how much you tell the child, do not get into the socket, he won’t understand until he gets an electric shock. Then he bypasses it. In this case, the situation is similar and the result will be the same.
  44. 0
    4 October 2018 02: 06
    According to Lieberman, Israel "is certainly not happy with the presence of the S-300 in Syria,"

    ... all the joy is yet to come, when the flyers will be strewed to the ground ... how then will you sing, Lieberman? ... bully
  45. 0
    4 October 2018 03: 51
    Oh Liberman, Lieberman ne kazh you gop docks ne pereskochit! They did not boast about walking on the army ...
    1. +1
      4 October 2018 06: 25
      Quote: LeonidL
      Oh Lieberman, ... boasted walking srati.

      That is, to brag about when it comes to big? laughing But seriously, what else can he say? Will we sit quietly so as not to completely ruin our relations with Russia, which foolishly worsened by bombing next to Khmeimim?
  46. +1
    4 October 2018 13: 49
    Well, sometimes such kookies of self-confident capricious as:
    - will continue to strike at *****,
    - in spite of *****,
    - ***** has no other choice but ...
    can be used to your advantage. Here the work is delicate, wide-format, but the "goodies" can please the developers of different directions of our military-industrial complex.
    I wish ours to catch all the "flying bonuses". Well, the pilots running in the desert too.
  47. +1
    5 October 2018 05: 44
    the more you read the comments on the Israeli topic, the clearer it becomes that the shadow government is sitting here, and each is no less than a general.
    1. 0
      5 October 2018 06: 49
      Marshals we are! Marshals !!!! Generalsimusy !!! ... didn’t you notice the stars on the shoulder straps? Oh, foreman-foreman. grow here and grow ...
  48. 0
    5 October 2018 10: 48
    The main thing is that not like with IL 20 it turned out !!!
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  50. 0
    5 October 2018 11: 49
    As it turned out, the S400 air defense system was in the dark, and the Syrians were shooting anywhere. It will not be difficult for the Israelis to destroy all air defense located in Syria. The Syrians already have a bitter experience of being left without air defense, but the most righteous one wants to experience it.