Russia-China: It was not worth stealing our deck fighter. NI version

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American magazine The National Interest writes about how Russia reacts to problems with the Chinese deck aviation. Omitting the fact that Russia and itself are not okay, not only with carrier-based aircraft, but also with their carriers, the author of the material in NI Michael Peck states that "Russia is not very upset about the failures with the Chinese J-15 "

Russia-China: It was not worth stealing our deck fighter. NI version




The author declares the following:
In China, these planes are fighting one after another, but Russia was hardly upset, because China at one time created an unlicensed copy of the Su-33 Russian (Soviet) aircraft.


It should be clarified here that the J-15 was indeed produced without a license from the Sukhoi company. The fact is that the Chinese at one time acquired one of the first Su-33 prototypes from Ukraine, after which they scrupulously studied, eventually deciding that they could use the technology to manufacture their own aircraft. And the acquisition from Ukraine took place after the contract with Russia was terminated. It is officially considered that it was Moscow that at that time refused to supply Su-33 to China in order to “not transfer technologies”.

The first successful landing of the J-15 on the deck of the Liaoning aircraft carrier of the Chinese Navy was carried out in 2012 year.

In Russia, as noted by NI, it was considered that the Chinese are using the technology of the Sukhoi company illegally.

The question is, where does NI get the information that Chinese copies of Russian Su-33 are “fighting one after another”. According to official figures, the J-15 incident occurred only once - in August 2017. Then the plane in the air collided with a flock of birds, which led to the ignition of the engine. However, the pilot was able to land the car.

And this is the conclusion of the author in the American journal, from which it becomes clear to what he initially tended:
It should be noted here that the Soviet Union and modern Russia also “adopted” Western technologies without the consent of the owners - and this applied to everything from the atomic bomb to the Shuttle and video games. In general, this is a dubious achievement: the nation signs its inability to implement its own technologies.


And the final result of Peck:
If we consider that now the Chinese have acquired the same habit, this can be seen as universal justice.
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  1. LMN
    +44
    27 September 2018 18: 52
    I didn’t understand anything .. about what article? lol
    1. +9
      27 September 2018 18: 58
      smile hi
      material author at NI Michael Peck

      Why don't you respect such an authoritative teacher? He is an expert on all the practical issues of NI .. smile
    2. +12
      27 September 2018 18: 59
      About smart west and roguish east laughing
      1. +18
        27 September 2018 19: 19
        This is a hint of a sharp jump in scientific and technological progress after the collapse of the USSR, and the raking of the western shobla by everything, sticking his nose where not every citizen could get, almost for free.
        1. +4
          28 September 2018 16: 33
          Quote: IL-18
          This is a hint of a sharp jump in scientific and technological progress after the collapse of the USSR,

          It is enough to give one example as the theft of Yak 141, and the embodiment in F 35. And this is only one example of many. Native Americans can only graze cows, and rob those who graze cows, well, give out loans)))) Everything that was created there is stolen in most cases.
          1. 0
            5 December 2018 13: 10
            Quote: Sirocco
            ... an example as theft of YAK 141, and incarnation in Ф 35.

            Hehe! You can also remember Ufimtsev. In the end, it was his method that made it possible to create the basis of modern 3D rendering - breaking complex surfaces into many simple triangles and calculating their visibility. True, at first this method was used to calculate the RCS of aircraft and allowed the Americans to create an "invisible" F-111. And he allowed us not to create it, because Ufimtsev himself managed to explain to our people how you can see an "invisible" plane. So the whole ideology of stealth calculation is Ufa's, i.e. our.
          2. 0
            22 December 2018 13: 55
            Quote: Sirocco
            Native Americans can only graze cows, and rob those who graze cows, well, give out loans)))) Everything that was created there is stolen in most cases.

            Native Americans lived in figs and did not herd cows, but lived mainly by hunting. And, especially, they didn’t give out loans. And loans are given out to those who TAKEN THE COUNTRY from the Native Americans.
      2. Ren
        +1
        28 September 2018 06: 35
        Quote: aziat
        About smart west and roguish east

        Actually, for Russia, the USA is an eastern country, respectively, for the USA - Russia, a western country. bully
        And Russia, the only European state that has a state border with the United States. hi
    3. +2
      27 September 2018 19: 13
      Quote: LMN
      I didn’t understand anything .. about what article? lol

      Yes, all about the same .. The United States is afraid if Russia and China unite militarily and economically and EVERYTHING!
      American magazine The National Interest writes

      How are they worried about us with China .. bully And this is buzzing!
    4. +11
      27 September 2018 19: 16
      Maxim, good evening hi It turns out that the Germans were left with no destiny in the development of atomic weapons, but we borrowed secrets from the American rotozeans. lol But the Americans tested the Japanese and were relieved to say: it worked out. smile
      1. LMN
        0
        27 September 2018 19: 59
        Quote: Not bad
        Maxim, good evening hi It turns out that the Germans were left with no destiny in the development of atomic weapons, but we borrowed secrets from the American rotozeans. lol But the Americans tested the Japanese and were relieved to say: it worked out. smile

        Greetings Vitaliy hi
        They still forgot about Pinocchio))
      2. +6
        27 September 2018 20: 05
        Quote: Not bad
        Maxim, good evening hi It turns out that the Germans were left with no destiny in the development of atomic weapons, but we borrowed secrets from the American rotozeans. lol But the Americans tested the Japanese and were relieved to say: it worked out. smile

        Yes, everything was headlong .. I read about this version ... Nazi Germany was engaged in the development of atomic weapons and also the carrier, where the Germans achieved great success, but in view of the fact that the war at that time was actually lost and the red army was moving very quickly to Berlin did not have time to apply. But our "partners" are American, they sheltered the fascists, who sold all the secrets of creating an atomic bomb for their freedom and security ...
        1. +7
          27 September 2018 20: 24
          hi Still, the German nuclear scientists worked for the result, were fans of their job, I even see that at some point they did not notice that they were in America and were working for another uncle. smile
          1. LMN
            +5
            27 September 2018 20: 46
            Quote: Not bad
            hi Still, the German nuclear scientists worked for the result, were fans of their job, I even see that at some point they did not notice that they were in America and were working for another uncle. smile

            Vitaly, well, talented people, regardless of nationality and activity, fanatics in fact. smile
            So your guess is real Yes
        2. +6
          27 September 2018 20: 44
          Quote: Svarog
          I read about this version ... fascist Germany was also engaged in the development of atomic weapons, and it was also the carrier where the Germans achieved great success

          This is an erroneous version, they did not achieve anything and Germany was very, very far from the atomic bomb.
          Quote: Svarog
          But our "partners" are American, they sheltered the fascists, who sold all the secrets of creating an atomic bomb for their freedom and security ...

          This is also wrong - the Americans borrowed a lot from the Germans in missile technology, but, in fairness, the "exchange of experience" turned out rather in the sense that the Americans saw how the Germans were doing, understood their shortcomings and did their own thing.
          On the whole, of course, as of the 45 year, they were ahead of us in science and technology, but the question is that the USSR had already laid the foundation for overcoming this gap (before the war) and in the 60 years and further we began to be ahead of the USA seriously on a number of critical issues.
          Well, today's American level perfectly shows the fact that the author of not the last magazine does not see the difference between the Shuttle and Buran ...
          1. +5
            27 September 2018 21: 20
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            This is an erroneous version, they did not achieve anything and Germany was very, very far from the atomic bomb.

            Andrew, read the book by Farrell Joseph "The Black Sun of the Third Reich." It is documentary in nature. Our happiness is that German physicists immediately made a thermonuclear device. And they tested a nuclear fuse for igniting lithium-deuterium on prisoners of a concentration camp on about. Rügen. By the way, the background radiation there is still high. (And why would it, all of a sudden?)
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            The Americans borrowed a lot from the Germans in missile technology, but, in fairness, the "exchange of experience" turned out rather in the sense that the Americans looked at how the Germans were doing, understood their shortcomings and did their own thing.
            Are you talking about von Braun and his lunar program? Or did the Paperclip project teach you nothing? So maybe there was no High Jump Project?
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            the author of a recent magazine does not see the difference between Shuttle and Buran ..
            Peck sees and knows everything perfectly. Only his task is different: apologetics of the Amsk "genius" - for this he receives a salary ... And if it is differently - welcome to leave without severance pay!
            Do you crush this chaff?
            1. +3
              28 September 2018 02: 05
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Andrew, read the book by Farrell Joseph "The Black Sun of the Third Reich."

              Alas, this is pure conspiracy
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Our happiness is that German physicists immediately made a thermonuclear device.

              Yes, they did not do it :))) They flooded, like true heroes, bypassing, using heavy water instead of graphite. And in the end, by 1945, they had practically nothing - neither a normally operating reactor, nor a way to enrich uranium (perhaps someone there made a centrifuge, Pervushin wrote something like that, but all this is doubtful and in any case did not work), not even a self-sustaining nuclear reaction. And their work on the hydrogen bomb is something like how the Tirex tank is being designed in Ukraine today. There are beautiful pictures, there is no tank and will not be.
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              And they tested the nuclear fuse for burning lithium-deuterium on prisoners of a concentration camp on about. Rugen

              :))))) A thermonuclear bomb needs a regular one, it won’t work without it :))))
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Are you talking about von Braun and his lunar program? Or did the Paperclip project teach you nothing? So maybe there was no High Jump Project?

              And there everything is complicated. For example, on the one hand, many say that the American Redstone is the development of the Fau-2, and according to other opinions, it is the development of the Corporal and Hermes, which the Americans were engaged in during the war years. About the German delights of the air defense system and so on, I will not even speak.
              Project Skrepka, of course, was, but this is a project of involving German scientists in the United States, and not copying German technology. There was a high jump too, but it had purely utilitarian goals and had nothing to do with the "gloomy Teutonic genius"
        3. -1
          27 September 2018 21: 06
          Do not read more such books, Svarog.
          Read better where the numbers with the letters are evenly divided approximately.
        4. KCA
          0
          28 September 2018 01: 45
          As I read, the Germans could not create A-bombs for two important reasons: 1) Hitler, with all his love for wunderwaffles, did not believe that a war could be won with one bomb. 2) The German idea for creating a bomb differed in technology from the USA and the USSR, they needed heavy water, and the USA and England successfully bombed a heavy water production plant in Norway along with all the extracted reserves
    5. +1
      27 September 2018 19: 57
      I didn’t understand anything .. about what article?

      Perhaps about the fact that you can chop without chips, and cut without sawdust. However, I don’t know.
    6. +2
      27 September 2018 20: 09
      Quote: LMN
      I didn’t understand anything .. about what article?

      about how we bought the atomic bonba and began to produce it without a license, oh!
      1. +3
        27 September 2018 20: 30
        Well, you can say that. smile
      2. LMN
        +3
        27 September 2018 20: 55
        Quote: poquello
        Quote: LMN
        I didn’t understand anything .. about what article?

        about how we bought the atomic bonba and began to produce it without a license, oh!

        You forgot about computer games hi
        from the atomic bomb to the Shuttle and video games.

        laughing

        I grew up in the Far North. Apart from the "egg trap" lol ) I have not seen any video games feel
        Can someone from the "land", tell me what kind of video games (steal from the west) did you have?)
        1. +2
          27 September 2018 22: 24
          Quote: LMN
          You forgot about computer games

          here with the computer games, the cover, especially with the tetris, and yes the same tetris, tanks, a black cloak, a chip and a dail etc joined the televisions of Russian inhabitants in the form of Chinese set-top boxes Dandy and Nintendo, we were probably mixed up with the Chinese from resentment
          1. LMN
            +3
            27 September 2018 23: 01
            Quote: poquello
            Quote: LMN
            You forgot about computer games

            here with the computer games, the cover, especially with the tetris, and yes the same tetris, tanks, a black cloak, a chip and a dail etc joined the televisions of Russian inhabitants in the form of Chinese set-top boxes Dandy and Nintendo, we were probably mixed up with the Chinese from resentment


            Perhaps they should have searched in terms of literature?)
            I think, to tell them or not .. at the same time they will also "break the brain" winked
            Pinocchio .. this is the same Western fairy tale Pinnokio !!
            And our Pinocchio is like this:


            Let them try to explain who stole what laughing
            1. +1
              27 September 2018 23: 16
              Quote: LMN
              Let them try to explain who stole what laughing

              I won’t be surprised that they will explain, and Skripaley cat witness
              1. LMN
                +4
                27 September 2018 23: 27
                Quote: poquello
                Quote: LMN
                Let them try to explain who stole what laughing

                I won’t be surprised that they will explain, and Skripaley cat witness

                Yeah .. you also know about that cat .. bully hi
      3. +8
        27 September 2018 21: 30
        Quote: poquello
        about how we bought the atomic bonba and began to produce it without a license, oh!

        Historical truth for the sake of, not a word for!
        The underground workers of the "Red Chapel", the husband and wife of Rosenbergs - all of them, not for 30 pieces of silver, but out of ideological convictions passed on secrets to us, including those of the Manhattan project.
        Properly understanding the cannibalistic-hegemonic essence of the fascists and the Yankees! They allowed us to save time and resources when creating our product, thereby essentially saving the world from a nuclear nightmare.
        So, it’s possible for the idea ... and not necessarily with a bunch of grenades ... under the tanks ...
        But!
        1. 0
          27 September 2018 22: 19
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          But!

          but they released without a license!
          1. +2
            27 September 2018 23: 05
            Quote: poquello
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            But!

            but they released without a license!

            So after all, not a copy!
    7. -2
      27 September 2018 20: 27
      Quote: LMN
      I didn’t understand anything .. about what article?

      About universal justice.
      It seems ...
      But it is not exactly...
      1. +3
        27 September 2018 22: 16
        Maksimovich, flood please?
        What is your comment about, please explain.
        1. LMN
          +3
          27 September 2018 22: 27
          Quote: NN52
          Maksimovich, flood please?
          What is your comment about, please explain.

          Not sure what to me .. but let me answer: What is the article about and comment lol

          If you saw something deep in this article, then please, it will be very interesting to hear. Yes

          hi
          1. +2
            28 September 2018 00: 08
            LMN

            This was not for you.
            1. LMN
              +1
              28 September 2018 00: 29
              Quote: NN52
              LMN

              This was not for you.

              Understood))
              hi
        2. -4
          27 September 2018 22: 46
          1. I do not remember that you and I were "you".
          2. I personally do not have to explain anything to you.
          3. It is not for you to point out violations of the rules of the forum. Remind yourself?
          One last thing: reread all your comments. When you reread it, then we'll talk about "flood".
          And who will "explain for this."
          1. LMN
            +4
            27 September 2018 23: 10
            Quote: Waraga
            1. I do not remember that you and I were "you".
            2. I personally do not have to explain anything to you.
            3. It is not for you to point out violations of the rules of the forum. Remind yourself?
            One last thing: reread all your comments. When you reread it, then we'll talk about "flood".
            And who will "explain for this."

            So is that you?
            I subscribe to the words NN52 .. you are still that fluder. I read an article about the "order" .. YesThere were almost more of you than the administration and the "accused" .. You alone and Svarog ..
            1. -4
              27 September 2018 23: 27
              It was not a flood. It was revenge.
              I have the right.
              Are you a "troll" too? Like these? ..
              1. LMN
                +2
                27 September 2018 23: 49
                Quote: Waraga
                It was not a flood. It was revenge.
                I have the right.
                Are you a "troll" too? Like these? ..

                Revenge? So everything is serious?
                Are you a "troll" too?

                I really don’t understand what you’re talking about right now.
                I have the right.

                Did you get this right from the administration? Or you earned it? It will be very interesting to hear.

                Write to me in PM.
                1. -1
                  29 September 2018 08: 16
                  And who are you for me to report to you? Yes, even in PM.
              2. +2
                28 September 2018 00: 04
                Varaga
                Pavel Maksimovich, will trolls seem to be everywhere for you now? You and LMN decided to write there too? Who else?
                And if you in 70 comments pointed to violations of the rules of the forum, then why can not I do the same for you?
                And please, re-read all my comments again ...
                And what kind of revenge is this? Revenge on this resource is not allowed (this is a platform for discussing various opinions), and is punished with caution with statements.
                From now on, be careful with incompetent and insignificant comments, please ...
                1. -1
                  29 September 2018 08: 48
                  I'll reread it. I will definitely reread it. And this is not sarcasm. I really intend to do this. Because after reading the first three pages of your "comments", I have one suggestion. Or suspicion - whatever you like. And even to me, a person far from the aviation theme, something is already becoming clear.
                  In seventy comments, I pointed out violations of forum rules because they (violations) were. Whereas, your attempt to do the same has no reason (unlike mine).
                  Revenge, as you see, is permitted. If it is fair and within the rules. And I did not break the rules - I wrote only within the framework of a specific topic.
                  And about “be careful with incompetent and insignificant comments,” so again, you don’t blame anyone for this, if you have over one thousand eight hundred potentially “incompetent and meaningless”, so-called, comments.
                  And the last thing: where did you get the idea that you have the right to at least someone here to give recommendations, advice, and even more so decrees, if you yourself are just one of us? That is, the same (with the same rights and obligations) users of the site "Military Review".
                  1. -2
                    29 September 2018 14: 32
                    Varaga

                    That's nice, if you reread all my comments!
                    In aviation, you’ll get a little bit better.
                    And there, by the way, even somewhere, my diploma has a photo, in some of those topics.
                    And a lot has been written about my life, read on health!
                    And if in doubt, I guess what ... You can consult with me about Nexus (Andrey), to the heap ...
                    1. 0
                      29 September 2018 20: 13
                      Quote: NN52
                      In aviation, you’ll get a little bit better.

                      But this is unlikely, judging by the content. Better resort to the old proven method - IN.
                      Your life is not interesting to me. Rude, but honest. However, as you yourself.
                      And I'm not going to ask anyone - I respect someone else's opinion, but I don't like it. There is one. Even on such an "exotic" topic for me as aviation.
                      I will not answer you anymore. This is beyond reason.
                      For this I hasten to depart.
                      PS Don't forget to put "Minus". And call friends from Shvonder.
                      tongue
    8. +1
      27 September 2018 21: 58
      And what is there to not understand! Apparently, the manufacturing technology of deck aircraft was violated somewhere. In general, you need not steal, but buy licenses for the manufacture of these aircraft from manufacturers and then everything will be in order. wink
    9. +2
      27 September 2018 22: 23
      The article is about nothing.
      1. LMN
        +2
        28 September 2018 04: 57
        Quote: tihonmarine
        The article is about nothing.

        Well yes...
    10. 0
      4 October 2018 16: 10
      about the fact that the Americans are stupid)))))
  2. 0
    27 September 2018 18: 54
    The trouble of a neighbor is always joy in the house.
    1. +4
      27 September 2018 19: 19
      Quote: gabonskijfront
      The trouble of a neighbor is always joy in the house.

      Are you from Western Ukraine?
      1. +1
        27 September 2018 19: 32
        If from the West I would have written not "joy", but "peremoga".
      2. +2
        27 September 2018 19: 44
        I’m from the west of Russia (Kaliningrad) and you just didn’t appreciate the whole depth of my irony, I meant the joy of the author for the failures of the Chinese carrier-based aircraft. Next time I will try to state without sarcasm.
        1. +1
          27 September 2018 21: 29
          I didn’t you, but I touched Bandera. Minus not from me hi
  3. +3
    27 September 2018 19: 01
    It seems that I have not quite correct ideas about the solar system and Friday in the United States came earlier than ours. The NI editor-in-chief is clearly drunk if he admits such delusional publications.
    If we consider that now the Chinese have acquired the same habit, this can be seen as universal justice.

    But didn’t you blow off the fu-35 from the instant-141? Is it not universal justice?
    1. +4
      27 September 2018 19: 12
      You probably wanted to say Yak-141? Then there is absolutely nothing in common ...
      1. +3
        27 September 2018 19: 16
        Yes, sorry, really wrong.
      2. +7
        27 September 2018 19: 45
        blown off fu-35 with mig-141
        I guess it's about this

        But in Chinese:
    2. +6
      27 September 2018 19: 13
      So on VO, it seems, they managed to "roll", Since they are engaged in reprinting such garbage.
    3. +3
      27 September 2018 19: 18
      And now the production of AK analogs is being established and MI 17 has been sent to Slovakia for copying for Afghanistan
      1. +1
        27 September 2018 19: 23
        And they will go, an organized air defense system is not there, so ........ Fly at least on this one- laughing
      2. 0
        27 September 2018 19: 29
        Quote: Sergey39
        And now the release of analogs AK

        With their copy, I am more concerned about the impudent copying of the RPG-7, even 404 were set if my memory serves me right.
  4. +4
    27 September 2018 19: 01
    More proof of this is that NI is an ordinary trash and those who regularly upload the creations of this ... publication should look for a source by authoritative ones.
    1. 0
      27 September 2018 21: 12
      Mice cried, pricked, but continued to eat a cactus. laughing
      1. 0
        27 September 2018 21: 36
        GlavreD NI at Solovyov under the nickname Dmitry Simes works. And you... crying
  5. +1
    27 September 2018 19: 40
    It should be noted here that the Soviet Union and modern Russia also “adopted” Western technology without the consent of the owners - and this concerned everything, starting with the atomic bomb
    ..... What is the problem? Mr. Peck? .. Come on, the entire ammunition of vigorous bombs ... we’ll drop it on the United States, check it ... and if it doesn’t explode ... well, it will explode ... well ... not bad experience, then ... And you article about it write ..
  6. +11
    27 September 2018 19: 40
    Who created the first nuclear reactor, and a thermonuclear bomb, whose snowstorm sat on autopilot like a robot, who created orbital stations and a lunar rover, what they could not do, who invented radio and television, who created incinerator and aerodynamics, who invented an incandescent lamp with a metal spiral and who appropriated the invention, who invented the use of alternating current, who discovered the periodic law of chemical elements, who created organic chemistry, who started using bacteriophage viruses instead of antibiotics, until the last ones who discovered the atmosphere farm electricity and started making grounded lightning rods on the roofs of towers before Franklin’s first experiments? You can go on for a very long time. Russian brilliant people. Americans shut up.
  7. 0
    27 September 2018 20: 06
    It’s not worth taking NI’s statement as a basis, the publication is too muddy.
    1. LMN
      0
      27 September 2018 20: 13
      Quote: APASUS
      It’s not worth taking NI’s statement as a basis, the publication is too muddy.

      Duck ... it’s better to understand what is being said laughing
    2. +1
      27 September 2018 21: 12
      But why does VO constantly post articles?
      1. LMN
        +2
        27 September 2018 22: 39
        Quote: Carpenter 2329
        But why does VO constantly post articles?

        In my opinion, there are two reasons for it.
        1) Here on VO someone cited the statistics of visits to NI, the figure inspires. This means that we can know what our potential enemy is "eating". Yes (Many of us, too, derive information from VO wink without even checking it). Therefore, IMHO, the comparison is very appropriate.
        2) Recently, there are a lot of serious and negative news. Well, that’s it ..
        Here are some news from NI to help relieve tension a bit .. lol

        My purely opinion .. I'm for)
        1. -1
          29 September 2018 10: 36
          Well, the truth is ...
          good
  8. +4
    27 September 2018 20: 18
    As in that joke (who was associated with aviation, he will understand)
    “We admit that you stole the blueprints of the latest fighter.” But no matter how much they tried to reproduce it themselves, a locomotive is obtained. What is the reason?
    - You stole the drawings, but the revision bulletins did not guess to steal.
    1. 0
      27 September 2018 22: 19
      Quote: Piramidon
      - You stole the drawings, but the revision bulletins did not guess to steal.

      and it says there:
      finish with a file
      soldier
  9. 0
    27 September 2018 20: 28
    If this is serious, then this is ridiculous ...
  10. +1
    27 September 2018 20: 45
    But didn’t the author try to approach the mirror and look at his face? In the 90s, the United States stole trillions of dollars of technology from us ... am
  11. 0
    27 September 2018 21: 21
    This is the author of the material in NI, Michael Peck - just a lying bastard ...
    This west, without copyright, used Soviet inventions from electric welding and synthetic rubber to a nuclear power plant and even a Soviet computer game - Tetris, the most popular game in the world, and the Soviet Buran is not a copy of the American Shuttle, it is just outwardly similar, because it is called upon to perform the same tasks but Buran is completely Soviet development ...
    By the way, Ilon Mask made his ship Dragon using the ideas embodied in the Russian ship Federation, he was in Russia several times ...
  12. 0
    27 September 2018 21: 25
    Yeah, the West was in full profit of our new products in the military-industrial complex after the collapse of the USSR, especially the USA. And if the Mericans sneakily capturing German nuclear experts during a special hunt after defeating fascism, then why shouldn't we be proud that we also got along with the American in nuclear development.
  13. 0
    27 September 2018 23: 46
    Let this expert ask Sikorsky’s nationality for other developers as well! and let it roll out as a homing system for the USSR and much more interesting)))
  14. 0
    28 September 2018 00: 09
    Do the authors at VO have topics for articles over and over again to slander the NI balcony?
  15. 0
    28 September 2018 00: 45
    and ending with the Shuttle whoever rested with someone, 100% our Buran
  16. 0
    28 September 2018 02: 17

    LMN (Maxim) Yesterday, 18:52
    +21
    Understood nothing..what is the article about? lol

    ... about the version of the merikatos magazine
    NI Version
  17. 0
    28 September 2018 03: 23
    This Michael Peck didn’t even bother to study the history of military developments, and to dirty paper there too. The idea of ​​the Shuttle appeared in 67, and the Lozino-Lozinsky Spiral began to be developed in 65, which later "grew" into Buran.
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  19. 0
    28 September 2018 12: 32
    Quote: Svarog
    But our "partners" are American, they sheltered the fascists, who sold all the secrets of creating an atomic bomb for their freedom and security ...

    -------------------
    Not only that, but also 200 kg of enriched uranium.
  20. 0
    28 September 2018 15: 55
    Either the material is dumb, or presented in a downward manner. The conclusion is about what? What the hell is this pedagogic written?
  21. 0
    28 September 2018 15: 58
    https://topwar.ru/10671-mnogovekovaya-utechka-sekretov-v-rossiyu.html
  22. 0
    28 September 2018 16: 12
    Empty article
  23. 0
    29 September 2018 08: 03
    For the sake of objectivity.
    In the history of various inventions, there has always been a borrowing of other people's ideas, it was, is and will be.
    They ripped off the USSR from the USA, and vice versa, and the big question is who has more.
    And so you can go, on the wave of hysteria about 'copyright-copyright', to the very bike, and boldly accuse All manufacturers of plagiarism, from the Japanese to Uncle Liao's basement (hello auchan bikes!).
    Yes, China does it much more clumsily (the Soviet Union is resting), but the quality has grown!
    I remember very well the 'saints of the 90s', and the Chinese PanasoniGi, Sony and other trash, with an output power of 100500 watts, yeah, which crumbled after a day or a week of operation.
    And now there are Huawei, Oppo, Runko, Lenovo, ZTE and many other offices that I would be afraid to call rubbish, they do very decent things, eminent Korean and Japanese brands even smoke aside.
  24. 0
    29 September 2018 11: 37
    Here are the "patriots" to the delight: https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/5617742?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop wink
  25. 0
    29 September 2018 15: 59
    For small licensed acquisitions of the 30s, the rest is plagiarism. Who has a moot point.
    Tu4 was borrowed from the Allies and advanced aircraft not badly.
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      29 September 2018 16: 30
      Oh, not always plagiarism.
      Let us recall Yumo-205, a rather unsuccessful engine, and later produced, based on its 'motives' (two-stroke with PDP) in the USSR 2D100, 10D100 (The main diesel locomotive of the 50-80s of the last century, and even now it still runs a lot where), 5TDF, 6TD, which, in comparison with the German progenitor, were brought to mind, and relieved (well, almost) of jambs, as far as possible in two-strokes inherent in Junkers products
  26. 0
    29 September 2018 18: 37
    Quote: APASUS
    It’s not worth taking NI’s statement as a basis, the publication is too muddy.

    Sotglasen. In addition, no one has ever abolished industrial espionage, much less military-industrial. Blaming that someone stole something from someone can endlessly. With the similarity of many models of equipment, ours and not ours, there is no need to talk about 100% copying. Yes, we used the experience of other countries. And it would be silly if they had not used it. But I heard about 100% copying very, very rarely ...
  27. -1
    26 December 2018 17: 58
    There is so much controversy surrounding these declared "super-weapons" .. You were not taught anything about the Pakfa-T50, Armata, Kurganets and Boomerang platforms .. Where is it all? They are already abandoning everything, referring to some insignificant parties in the future. Where is the interception of the S-400 long-range anti-aircraft missile demonstrated? However, conversations around this air defense system have been enough for the last 5 years. This is how time goes by for empty chatter, and somewhere there are real developments, robotics, and not models as in Russia. Glory to the developers, that at least the submarines inspire fear in potential adversaries.
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