The first meeting of the Lightnings with the Su-35C is preparing a number of surprises. What is silent in the US Air Force

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What marketing tricks and PR actions do the employees of the headquarters of the military-industrial corporation Lockheed Martin, as well as those assigned to aviation A division of the company, test pilots of the 5th generation F-35A multipurpose fighter aircraft for the successful promotion of these aircraft in the European, Middle Eastern and Asian arms markets! And this is not surprising, because the brainchild of the ambitious 1,3-trillion Joint Strike Fighter program, costing customers $ 80-90 million per unit, firstly, has a fairly controversial reputation in its class, obtained during numerous ground-based loading stands tests, tests of a computerized weapons control system, software and numerous complexes of avionics (AVL), and secondly, forever retains the "inborn" design flaws of the airframe, which negatively affect the flight performance of the machine.





Let's start with a controversial reputation. It is partially related to the package of flaws in the unobtrusive F-35A fighters, represented by a rather impressive list (966 problems) of the so-called “childhood diseases”, which are quite common both for prototypes of new military equipment and for experimental-military batches of vehicles. One such “disease” can be considered the raw software for WMS, which creates errors at the time of processing target designation data from the AN / APG-81 radar into the inertial navigation system of AIM-120C-7 / 8 missiles, which ultimately does not allow the pilot F -35A simultaneously intercept several air objects due to inaccurate radio correction data. There are software deficiencies in the OMS and in relation to the air-to-ground mode. In particular, the pilot does not have the ability to view the final coordinates of the target loaded in the INS of the corrected aerial bombs equipped with JDAM kits, which, in a difficult tactical situation, can lead to an erroneous attack on a friendly base station, a mechanized unit, or other object.

The above-mentioned “childhood diseases”, as well as the X-NUMX problems of the F-964A / B / C family, documented in the reports of the United States Audit Office (GAO) and the JSF Program Office Division, do not pose a great threat to the export potential machines of types F-35A and F-35B, since they can be completely eliminated during several stages of updating the fighter software, and customers understand this perfectly.

Another thing is the "innate" design flaws of the Lightnings, which with enviable regularity put them in an extremely awkward position during training air battles with multifunctional fighters of the US Air Force and the NATO Air Force belonging to the 4 + / ++ generations. Here, only updating the software packages is indispensable, and the main PR specialists of the JSF program come in - test pilot Billy Flynn and commander of the 56 th Fighter Aviation Regiment and director of the F-35 integration department, General Scott Pleus. Skillfully hiding behind the status of the US Air Force aces pilots, they try, by giving what they wish for, to maintain the high competitiveness of the F-35A. The statements made from their lips over the past two years not only have significant discrepancies with the real state of affairs and the technical parameters of Lightning II, but also do not correspond to common sense. Thus, in the fall of 2016, General Scott Pleus noted that the F-35A operators could count on "absolutely incredible maneuverability of their machines in close combat with 4-fighter and transitional fighters". He also indicated that these subtle fighters have complete superiority over the enemy in the DVB. But the real facts suggest otherwise.

So, back in the summer of 2015, American journalist David Ex, referring to the report of an unnamed pilot of an F-35A prototype with a board number AF-2, who participated in a training melee air combat with a two-seat multi-role fighter F-16D Block 40, reported a much smaller angle Lightning reversal speeds in the entire altitude range characteristic of the “dog dump” (3 — 9 km), which led to the confident supremacy of the Falcon, which hung on the tail of the F-35A throughout the battle. The most remarkable point is that this Lightning prototype (AF-2), according to US Air Force Major-General Jeffrey Harigan, was not covered with radio absorbing materials (RPM) weighing about 200 kg, was not equipped with AIM air combat missiles -120C-7 and AIM-9X in the internal armament compartments, and also was not equipped with an AN / AAQ-37 DAS distributed-aperture electronic complex with aperture AN and AAN-6 DAS for detecting and tracking most warm-contrast targets (this is confirmed by AF photographs -2, Aiden in the American Internet).

The conclusion is the only one: AF-2 went into battle with the Falcon "lightly", with a take-off weight of the order of 17000 kg (empty weight 12800 kg + 4200 kg of fuel), which was to ensure the car a decent thrust-weight in 1,15 kgf / kg, which means , and great flight performance. Moreover, the main trump card of the F-35A was a high-performance computerized EDSU, which allowed the fighter to implement maneuvering with angles of attack of more than 60 degrees. But this did not save Lightning from defeat. The fact is that he was confronted by a slightly “weighted” two-seater F-16D “Night Falcon” Block 40, equipped with a “General Electri” F-110-GE-100 two-circuit turbojet engine, which has a 12993 kgf load. Taking into account the 40% reduction in the amount of fuel in the internal tanks spent on takeoff and arrival in the area of ​​the training air battle with F-35A, as well as the lack of rocket armament on the suspension units, the mass of F-16D Block 40 was about 10500 kg, which ensured significantly greater thrust-to-weight ratio (1,27 kgf / kg). Moreover, at the time of the battle, the specific load on the wing of the F-35A reached 400 kg / sq. m, while in 1,66 times lighter F-16D boasted a load on the wing in 365 kg / sq.m, and this is a much more weighty argument in favor of the Falcon.

Another serious design flaw in the F-35A line can be considered the lack of developed aerodynamic flows at the wing root (like in the MiG-29 / 35 Su-30CM, F-16C / D and F / A-18E / F Super Hornet), which significantly reduces the angular speed of the turn of the machine due to the lack of the necessary lift coefficient in front of the aerodynamic focus. As you can see, in terms of “energy maneuvering”, the F-35A (even with a half-empty fuel system and 2 AIM-9X Block II / III in the internal compartments) cannot be fought with either the MiG-29C / SMT, “Mirage 2000-5 / 9” , F-16C / D and "Typhoon", neither with "Raptors" and Su-30CM, whose engines are also equipped with a thrust vector deflection system.

“Going” in a close combat at least to the level of conventional MiG-29С, Lightnings can only be achieved due to the combination of large angles of pumping of the AIM-9X Block II / III missile coordinator AIK-73X Block II / III, and the equipment of the information jet field pilots helmet systems targeting type HMDS. Nevertheless, we have a worthy answer to this in the form of the NEMC-T assistive target designation system from the Electroautomatics Design Bureau (St. Petersburg) and the P-2 PMD-35 super-maneuverable short-range air combat missiles, which operate according to its targeting able to handle enemy air targets even in the rear hemisphere due to the use of a much more advanced interceptor system of vector deflection. Based on the above facts, it can be concluded that General Scott Pleus is utter nonsense in attempts to unjustifiably overestimate the parameters of F-XNUMXA, which can be taken seriously either by amateurs or by victims of the United States lobby through foreign military sales.

Against the background of these interesting details, it was extremely funny to stumble upon the statement of the second “hero” of our review today - test pilot B-Flynn of F-35A, who boasts the ability to maneuver the F-35A with an overload in 9G at full combat load and fuel tanks. Of course, at near-sonic speeds such quality can play into the hands of the Lightning pilot, especially when avoiding low-maneuverable long-range air combat missiles of the P-33С / Р-37 or Iranian Fakur-90 types. However, in close combat, at speeds of 300 — 600 km / h (and even with a mass of 24 — 27 tons), such an overload will be practically unrealistic to maintain, as well as maintain a decent angular speed of turn and large angles of attack. The fault here is extremely low thrust-to-weight ratio, which will be of the order of 0,8 kgf / kg with the mass of the fighter in 24000 kg and afterburner of the engine in 19500 kgf. Against this background, our Su-35С (with 70% fuel in internal tanks and 6 air-to-air missiles RVV-SD on suspension units) has thrust-weight ratio in 1 kgf / kg, as well as full range OBT, which in total with the supporting fuselage and developed surges will not leave “Lightning” any chance.

Pleus and Flynn also decided to continue the longstanding tradition of the Western media and again focused on the “unique performance” of the F-35A ESR, as well as the air domination achieved through this. That's just all of us well remember a very entertaining flight of the first combatant "Adira» (F-35I) Israeli Air Force in 30 km from Beirut, which was equipped with Luneberg lens to hide the true radar signature of the radar detection means, attached to the Russian S-300V4 in Tartus, as well as from a sudden departure to the combat duty of the AEROU A-50U aircraft. Beirut is removed from these areas by 160 — 250 km; consequently, the Israeli “hitplanes” themselves subscribed to the fact that the ESR of the American “Lightnings” is not so small and can be quite calculated even at a distance of several hundred kilometers. For the onboard radar "Irbis-E" of the Su-35C fighter, such an object is unlikely to be difficult to find, and in the foreseeable future all maps will be revealed, which is clearly not going to please F-35 customers.

Information sources:
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/x35.html
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/aim120/aim120.shtml
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/f16cd40.html
http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=22124
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-104.html
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  1. +8
    24 September 2018 06: 09
    Yes, in general, it’s clear that the plane didn’t work out very well ... But we will wait for a real meeting ... Then everything will be clear ... But one thing is certain ... Who needs the money to earn this ... A lot .. ..
    1. -6
      24 September 2018 08: 42

      Let's wait and see. Of course, I have zero relation to aviation, but it seems that the machine feels in the air no worse than a "penguin" in the ocean.

      1. +21
        24 September 2018 11: 09
        To kill the unarmed you will fit.
      2. +20
        24 September 2018 11: 42
        Penguin in the ocean? belay I don’t think that he feels comfortable there. smile And in the video, a simple show off is absolutely not talking about anything, I’ll pass on the MiG 21 more efficiently. wink
      3. +4
        24 September 2018 13: 56
        Aron, I myself, like you)) but I have a strong doubt about the f-35. The problem of this aircraft seems to be in the very first step in the design specification. In the case, the Americans took up the development of a cheap aircraft as an alternative to the f-22, and stuffed everything they remembered there, well, they got what they got. In all characteristics, the average sample, except for software, is possible, which is important but it does not fly by itself. This plane has too many restrictions, bottlenecks that are insoluble. By the way, for the Israeli Air Force, the software corresponded on the spot, this is a slightly different plane. Therefore, the flight characteristics are below average, the reliability of the glider raises questions, the cost is not even discussed, the service is complicated. One joy the Americans actually subsidize us to buy it. And by the way, we were banned from creating our own aircraft. We have to take what they give.
      4. +8
        24 September 2018 19: 51
        I especially liked the constant rustling of the camera shutters of the invited reporters in the video - this is never an advertising flight .. So simply, "random" reporters "accidentally" found themselves in the area where "accidentally" F-35 "accidentally" "cut" beautiful circles with "accidentally" beautiful angles ..
        !!! Well, who are you "star" then ?! Your mother are stupid people, or what ?!
      5. +3
        24 September 2018 20: 00
        And now the word "m * me" and "d * bily" are also prohibited?
        Dahl would be surprised ..
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          1. +2
            24 September 2018 20: 05
            What to do - victims of the exam ..
          2. +2
            24 September 2018 20: 18
            The word "dabil" is allowed to be used, for example, in relation to people who make a bunch of mistakes in two short sentences and carry a blizzard.
        2. 0
          26 September 2018 10: 30
          thank you, what else (!) - not the Morse Code ...
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      7. +1
        26 September 2018 21: 43
        MiG-21 also flies like that.
    2. +1
      25 September 2018 06: 40
      God forbid that this meeting was at any air show or the like ... Enough of the wars !!!
  2. -21
    24 September 2018 07: 10
    "fu" is already flying with might and main and even at war, and our people still compare it with "plus signs" ..... well, it is clear that you want to "beat the ruble with a penny," which will reveal all the capabilities of these aircraft. The Americans and their allies are already training pilots for these aircraft. To me personally, everything reminds me of the pre-war situation - when there were quite good I-16s and good pilots like Safonov, they beat the Germans well, but the rest ... in addition, new types of aircraft went into series, but no one really knew how to use them fly, but the people on the "messengers" were already experienced and trained, the result is known .... The same is now observed. But the problem is even worse - in the "west" the doctrine has long been established that 75% of aviation operations are ground planning and control, plus coordination, while in Russia they still rely on pilots, and the problem of ground control, taking into account all factors. little attention is paid to coordination in real time, like the pilot will settle everything himself, we only help him, and the Westerners say that the pilot's action only completes what was planned on the ground. The tragedy of "20" is a confirmation of this - there is no planning taking into account all factors, moreover, in a changing environment, plus the lack of coordination is the result. I am always enraged by the "victorious reports" from the conducted uchknii in Russia, they say, all tasks have been solved, all "enemies" have been defeated and so on. But the Israelis simply report that such and such a training of such units and subunits has been carried out without reporting the "result."
    1. -3
      24 September 2018 07: 29
      I subscribe to every word. It is necessary to realistically assess the enemy. Especially accurately noticed about the I-16 and Safonov. When you read the memoirs of our pilots (I have a passion for reading memoirs), one gets the impression that this was exactly what happened. And many directly pointed out the reason for the defeats "of Stalin's falcons "
      1. +5
        25 September 2018 16: 21
        Yes, I immediately grabbed the minus signs. But it's better than the bitter truth than the sweet lie.
        1. -2
          27 September 2018 00: 25
          If you personally like to slurp a well-known brown substance with spoons, you should not swing this spoon here.
          Enjoy silently, or in the company of like-minded people - fighters for Pravda.
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    3. +19
      24 September 2018 08: 44
      Su-35 fight much longer and more active.

      the result is known


      Are you talking about "2 Million Rape German Women"?

      But the problem is even worse - in the "west" the doctrine has long been established that 75% of aviation is ground planning and control, plus coordination, while in Russia they still rely on pilots, and the problem of ground control, taking into account all factors


      In the plane sat at least once, eksperd?
    4. +7
      24 September 2018 10: 55
      And where and with whom did the F-35 really fight? And a reference would be nice.
    5. +3
      24 September 2018 11: 02
      Quote: Snail N9
      Tragedy "20" confirms this

      bitter with soft?
    6. +4
      24 September 2018 11: 12
      There was an example of technical excellence versus deadly efficiency. German menagerie against 34ki.
    7. +1
      24 September 2018 19: 54
      Letak "flies" among the Ukrainians ..
      This one is only rising into the air. And that is extremely emergency.
    8. +1
      24 September 2018 20: 11
      Yeah, your "openers" through one really die in your gas-van helmets ..
      "Heal" here about advancement ..
      Your advancement is all in one thing - how to knock out a bigger budget under the "impruved" ..
    9. +1
      24 September 2018 20: 17
      The true Yankees are over!
      The "Americans" remained.
      Really breakthrough ideas ended in the 60s. All!
      The "American" cannot come up with anything new. "Yankees" - could! And this one is not ..
      Everything - Bobby died!
    10. +2
      25 September 2018 05: 06
      And what do you want, sir, when the commander of the VKS is a tankman? Whom do you think he will pull up as his assistants? What do you want if the infantry commander of the VKS group in Syria? so it will be!
      1. -2
        27 September 2018 00: 27
        An article about the Air Force Commander-in-Chief?
        Or just bark and run away?
  3. +7
    24 September 2018 07: 38
    The Amerzky land of the Kulibins does not give birth. They will not be able to "finish with a file." And it pleases.
    1. 0
      27 September 2018 07: 43
      Quote: St. Propulsion
      Amercous land of Kulibins does not spawn

      She gives birth to financiers-swindlers who hire kulibins to work.
  4. -1
    24 September 2018 07: 40
    The main purpose of the Su-35 is air combat, gaining air supremacy, and the F-35 is universal. Therefore, it is quite difficult to compare them as fighters, these are different machines and in which case the Raptor will fight with the Su-35C. Due to avionics, the F-35 will perform well against 4 generations, but against 4 ++ and 5, not everything is so good in case of rapprochement with the enemy. Also the amount of F-35 is a very serious thing.
    1. +10
      24 September 2018 08: 18
      Quote: Vadim851
      -1
      The main purpose of the Su-35 is air combat,

      But the developers do not even know .... Vadimka built all dry engineers ...
      The purpose of the aircraft SU-35


      To deliver a preemptive strike against an air opponent, including an inconspicuous one.
      Attack land or sea targets without entering the air defense zone.
      Use weapons on land (sea) and airborne according to radar information.
      Participate in group actions on ground and air targets.
      Fly at low altitudes, flying around and avoiding obstacles.
      Accompany air targets simultaneously in the rear hemisphere of the aircraft.
      Perform combat missions in an environment of intentional interference.
      Detect typical ground and air targets at a distance of up to 200 km, large air targets with an image intensifier - at a distance of up to 400 km.
      1. 0
        24 September 2018 10: 17
        I agree, but all the strike tasks described by you will be better performed by other aircraft. And the Su-35 in the strike version - except in an exceptional case.
        Additional air-to-surface armament suspensions will only interfere. In Syria, something on the ground almost does not work for VKS fighters. As for the detection of air targets at 200-400 km, it is better if the A50U and A-100 carry out so as not to unmask the fighter with a powerful Irbis.
    2. +4
      24 September 2018 08: 41
      What are you talking about? And Su-35 when meeting with the F-35 will be interested in how it is classified there?

      At the same time, the "Raptors" to fight just with the Su-35 is enough, only 184 of them were built and the US Air Force EMNIP has about 150 pieces. I think they can collect 30 pieces in one place.
      1. -6
        24 September 2018 09: 00
        Quote: EvilLion
        What are you talking about? And Su-35 when meeting with the F-35 will be interested in how it is classified there?

        At the same time, the "Raptors" to fight just with the Su-35 is enough, only 184 of them were built and the US Air Force EMNIP has about 150 pieces. I think they can collect 30 pieces in one place.

        Su-35 will be interested in how much he sees the F-35. And how many F-35 will resist them.
        1. -7
          24 September 2018 09: 28
          I completely agree ..... and the plus to this is the F-35 is a universal fighter who can fully replace shock machines for detection, reconnaissance, software, electronic warfare ..... Therefore, somewhere they will take it in quantity, somewhere in quality.
        2. 0
          24 September 2018 10: 52
          Well kilometers xnumx, if in narrow search mode. Resist, a maximum of fifty.
        3. +2
          24 September 2018 11: 16
          The next time you decided to rush to the su-35? Let's go, there’s not enough spirit.
        4. +4
          24 September 2018 20: 23
          F-35 will be wondering - what would he not be taken to auto tracking. For the snout did not come out, the iron is flying .. With its supposedly invisibility bullshit.
        5. +1
          28 September 2018 11: 39
          The "invisible" F-ok very good. long service period. How many at a time will be able to raise that 22, that 35 - the question. Just tell me how many hours it should be serviced for one hour of flight. for the 22nd it is over 30 hours. in 2008-09 slightly more than half were constantly ready. So we subtract 180 from 80 - we get a real figure, smear it with an even layer on the bases of the whole world and what is in the remainder? F-15/16/18 will still fight.
          Plus (minus) spare parts that do not deliver on time ..
      2. +2
        24 September 2018 10: 21
        In the Russian Aerospace Forces, as regards collecting aviation in the right place, it’s not easy either, if you look, this partially compensates for the large radius of action of the Su-30, 35.
    3. -10
      24 September 2018 13: 43
      And most importantly, the United States created a revolution in aviation, three (3) different machines on the basis of one, no one in the world could even look at the "pitfalls" of the F-35 program, and most importantly, they launched the production of more than 2000 aircraft, Russia and I didn’t dream of whether someone likes it or not, but the facts are a stubborn thing.
      1. +8
        24 September 2018 14: 27
        Andrey, universal machines will always be worse than specialized ones.
        Let's try to parse this universalization:
        1. The fighter. Small thrust-to-weight ratio at full payload - is in the article. Small radius of action - the MiG-29 is often criticized for this. It’s better not to engage in close maneuverable combat - the built-in AP (gun) is in only one variant A. Not the most outstanding speed.
        2. The attack aircraft. The same story with the AP, and a small bomb bay. A warthog is preferable in this role.
        3. Bomber. The bomb bay is not suitable for loading a bomber.
        Impressive engine and electronics. All the same, it was necessary to make just a bomb extermination, and not this "miracle Yudo" universal for all occasions in life. hi
        1. 0
          24 September 2018 17: 56
          Yes, I know, but I didn’t say that he was a super plane, it was just that the United States was able to make three cars on the basis of one glider, but he is, at best, a strike aircraft, but not a fighter.
          1. +2
            24 September 2018 21: 24
            Andrei, how is it not a fighter with such production plans?
            The point would be in such universalization, if the cost for it became minimal. But we see exactly the opposite.
          2. +2
            25 September 2018 14: 24
            Quote: merkava-2bet
            just the USA was able to make three cars based on one glider

            How many different options are made on the Su-27 glider? wink To count? lol
            1. -1
              27 September 2018 00: 31
              So it is with us. in Russia, in the USSR.
              And that means a lot of options on 1 glider only from poverty, corruption and stupidity.
              Whether it is in the United States. They are known here that every Jew does everything right and perfectly.
      2. +6
        24 September 2018 17: 18
        the most important thing was staking out the production of more than 2000 cars,
        Where are we going to bury them all? No.
      3. 52
        +2
        25 September 2018 14: 38
        ... three (3) different machines based on one, no one in the world could, /
        Family Yak-28. There is a bomber, and an interceptor, and a scout, and a jammer. But you go on ....
        1. 0
          26 September 2018 21: 31
          I meant three hypostases: land, ship, and VTOL, and the Yak-28 multifunctional, airfield based, so the best for understanding.
        2. 0
          26 September 2018 21: 40
          Creating a three-in-one machine in one bottle, as in the USA, is very difficult, even without affecting the performance characteristics of these triplets. In the USSR, when they created ship engines based on the MiG-29 and Su-27, MiG-29K and Su-27K (Su-33) , then actually created new cars, especially the MiG-29K, which was created in parallel with the MiG-29M. The difference between the MiG-29 and MiG-29M, as between Zaporozhets and Mercedes.
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  5. -2
    24 September 2018 07: 50
    Hundreds of the defeat of rotting! We have enough hats for everyone! True, their park is much larger than ours, but it does not matter! We are stronger because stronger! That's the whole point of the article ...
    1. +19
      24 September 2018 08: 15
      Quote: raw174
      True, their park is much larger than ours, but it does not matter!

      Yes, and how much their park was larger, for example, Vietnamese, and it all ended with McCain in a cage and an escape from Saigon.
      1. +1
        24 September 2018 20: 45
        Quote: zyzx
        Well, for example, Vietnamese

        Iraq, for example, Yugoslavia, but wherever the states bomb and everywhere with impunity.
    2. 0
      24 September 2018 19: 21
      Quote: raw174
      ! True, their park is much larger than ours,

      And you are going to fight them at what theater? In the skies over Europe? In a "third" country? In our sky, in the American sky?
      1. +3
        24 September 2018 20: 43
        Quote: konstantin68
        And you are going to fight with them on which theater?

        In general, I would not want to fight with them ... I have other plans for life, I want to raise children, I have three of them so far.
    3. +1
      24 September 2018 20: 52
      Our country is big. if anything - let's go to the partisans
      1. +1
        24 September 2018 21: 46
        Well, only if so laughing wink
  6. exo
    +1
    24 September 2018 08: 23
    Too optimistic. I think, using the example of the Israeli Air Force, it will be possible to obtain more or less reliable information.
  7. +1
    24 September 2018 08: 37
    It boasts the ability to maneuver the F-35A with an overload in the 9G with full combat load and fuel tanks.


    Theoretically everyone can. Because it is a limitation on strength. In reality, even the Su-27 just on the 7g will not always, the F-16 EMNIP is about 4g.
    1. +2
      24 September 2018 15: 11
      Quote: EvilLion
      It boasts the ability to maneuver the F-35A with an overload in the 9G with full combat load and fuel tanks.


      Theoretically everyone can. Because it is a limitation on strength. In reality, even the Su-27 just on the 7g will not always, the F-16 EMNIP is about 4g.


      Structural strength for fighters - g12.
      Maneuver with g9 - disperse in a dive and control the steering wheel for yourself - that's close to g9. Almost any third-fourth generation fighter.
      Only g9 can not be carried by every pilot and for a short time.
      1. +2
        24 September 2018 19: 29
        Yes, I join too.
        And who understands what overload in 10zh is? I explain - if your natural weight, say 70 kg, then under such an overload it will become over 600 kg. How are brains, internal organs? Evaluated the work of astronauts and fighter pilots?
  8. +1
    24 September 2018 09: 34
    All this fortune-telling on coffee grounds.
    Training fights (like) give an advantage of 35x over 16 in 70% - that's quite normal. Nobody is waiting for 100% of victories. Moreover, 35 single-engine station wagons, as it were, both for land and for the sea, are slightly worse than conventional fighters and the like.
  9. +3
    24 September 2018 09: 54
    If a person is sitting on a plane ready to kill, then most likely his first strike will wake up. If there is a person who has the ONLY meaningful attitude not to succumb to law enforcement, then no plane will save him
    1. -4
      27 September 2018 00: 36
      Whom did you personally kill?
  10. -2
    24 September 2018 10: 44
    Again, everyone won on paper, well done, well done, in fact, at least a commensurate amount of equipment was released with a likely enemy
    1. 0
      24 September 2018 19: 24
      Quote: spektr9
      at least a commensurate amount released technology with a likely opponent

      That's right, that's right! Following your logic, China Dominator!
      1. 0
        25 September 2018 13: 24
        That's right, that's right! Following your logic, China Dominator!
        And what is the Russian dominator?)))
        1. -3
          27 September 2018 00: 37
          Well what are you, of course not.
          Take it easy. Read the transcripts of Navalny’s speeches.
    2. 0
      27 September 2018 07: 59
      [quote = spektr9] in fact, at least a commensurate amount of technology was released with a likely adversary [/ quote
      When attacking, you must have at least five times more troops than the defender. It’s enough for Russia to have good quality for less. sitting on the defensive.
  11. +1
    24 September 2018 11: 09
    the flight of the first combat “Adirs” (F-35I) of the Israeli Air Force
    And here they are.
  12. 0
    24 September 2018 12: 43
    Admins! What's the matter: I clicked on the plus, but the minus was added?
  13. -2
    24 September 2018 12: 44
    Quote: Black Colonel
    And where and with whom did the F-35 really fight? And a reference would be nice.

    And who fought the Su-30SM, Su-35S, and Su-57 (I really hope that they will be released)
    1. 0
      25 September 2018 14: 26
      Quote: merkava-2bet
      Su-30SM, Su-35S

      With barmaleys Yes Well, it’s not our fault that when they are in the air, then F-22 on the ground wassat And then at least it was possible to drive feel
      1. 0
        27 September 2018 08: 04
        Quote: Rurikovich
        when they are in the air, then F-22 on the ground

        In other words, when the F-22 is in the air, it is Su on the ground. Did I understand you correctly?
  14. +5
    24 September 2018 13: 51
    The F-35 has an inherent restriction that will not allow it to compete with normal aircraft. This limitation is laid down by the bewildering JSF concept (English Joint Strike Fighter - a single strike fighter). Tukhachevschina in its purest form. Remember his universalist perversions, such as a part-time anti-aircraft gun, a tank from a civilian tractor, etc.
    For vertical or short take-off, the F-35 has a fan coupled to the engine. For VTOL, this is understandable and acceptable. But there are a minority of such aircraft. For aircraft without GDP, the fan, of course, is removed. But the cavity in the design of the airframe will not go anywhere. She will remain round. It is because of her that the plane makes an impression of a little pregnant. To use this place for loading rockets, it is desirable to have a compartment that is more authentic and narrower and the hole is not round, like a fan, but rectangular and long, under the rocket. Then the plane would have shrunk a little from the sides, respectively, and the aerodynamic drag would have decreased, the speed and maneuverability would have increased, the weight would have decreased (the gain in the fuselage set for the fan also remained), the combat load had increased (and became more diverse). But then you have to redo the fuselage, and this is another plane.
    In short, this is an inborn ugliness, it is forever.
    1. +1
      24 September 2018 18: 09
      Well, with regard to tanks, they eventually came to a single MBT. Unification during the war is a huge plus.
      1. +3
        24 September 2018 20: 53
        Do not bring any idea to the point of absurdity. Due to the fact that a small number of aircraft need to take off vertically, the rest (most) have to carry extra weight and extra dimensions.
        Tanks also do not rest against MBT. Light tanks are still here, called BMP. And the fighter in the United States is not alone. As before, and now.
    2. 0
      27 September 2018 08: 21
      Let's try to look from the other side. The main task in the West is making money (from the position of a business majority). I think there are no fools sitting and carefully weighing the pros and cons. Their advantage, as forwards, is the choice of strategies, methods and weapons. And since they made such an imperfect plane, then obviously they are not going to seriously fight on it. Earn money - yes.
      Obviously, serious technologies that are not demonstrated to the general public, based on other physical principles, are the basis of the military strategy both in our country and in ours.
  15. +5
    24 September 2018 15: 16
    In general, both the Pin-dos and Israeli "cunning planners" did their best. The first - with the development of this "pepelatsa". The second - with its purchase.
    1. +1
      24 September 2018 17: 19
      Respected.
      The latter did not buy, but received as part of military assistance from the United States.
      And the first ones developed, released and now try to push these devices as expensive as possible.
      However, the United States developed and produced these devices at the expense of the whole world, which is willingly investing in US debt papers.
      So the first and second are not in the loser.
      1. +2
        25 September 2018 11: 32
        In the loser. Just because the first released, and the second use.
        They do not want to buy from the former, while the latter have nowhere to go "within the framework of military aid."
  16. +4
    24 September 2018 17: 53
    The photo shows the F-22 "Raptor" in the sight of our Su-35s. "OLS + TP". In capture. Yes, the 22nd was rude and was punished after a short air battle, for which, of course, our blue-breasted man was fucked. Everything is as usual. As you can see, stealth is also remarkably captured. Yes we can. Yes, not always everything works out, but if necessary, we will do it.

    Note: most likely it is a December 2017 incident in the sky of Deir Ez-Zor province.


    1. -9
      25 September 2018 10: 06
      Yeah ... that's right, in the sight of a Russian plane, the English designations ..... wink laughing lol love
      1. +1
        25 September 2018 11: 22
        where did you see the English designation is the wintermark of the author who posted the photo
      2. +1
        25 September 2018 11: 35
        There are no other designations besides Russian.
        You at least, for a start, take a closer look.
        To blur only to blur ...
    2. -2
      25 September 2018 11: 21
      On the retouched part of the photo you can see what is written Hmeimim
    3. 0
      27 September 2018 09: 09
      F-22 on the photo flies or on the ground?
  17. -1
    24 September 2018 17: 58
    Quote: Livonetc
    Respected.
    The latter did not buy, but received as part of military assistance from the United States.
    And the first ones developed, released and now try to push these devices as expensive as possible.
    However, the United States developed and produced these devices at the expense of the whole world, which is willingly investing in US debt papers.
    So the first and second are not in the loser.

    The truth is true.
    1. +1
      24 September 2018 19: 29
      I agree with almost everything except this one:
      Quote: merkava-2bet
      not bought, but received as part of military assistance

      Because it contradicts this:
      Quote: merkava-2bet
      released and now try to push these appartes as expensive as possible.

      Where is the logic?
      1. -1
        24 September 2018 22: 28
        I didn’t understand one thing, you quote messages under my nickname that I did not write, someone spoils greatly.
    2. 0
      25 September 2018 11: 36
      True lie.
  18. +4
    24 September 2018 18: 03
    I think f35 in the BVB is inferior to any 4th-generation and quite possibly 3rd-generation fighter because this task was simply not ordered to him. In the name, a single strike fighter, a fighter means - due to stealth, radar and rockets, I’ll block anyone, but he won’t even see me. Just name it for accuracy it was necessary a / f35, maybe then they would not have compared it in the BVB with other fighters.
  19. 0
    24 September 2018 22: 22
    Somewhere on the Internet it flashed that if the SU35 cuts its IRBIS at full power, then the F35 locator will generally go blind and for a long time :)
    1. -6
      24 September 2018 22: 36
      Somewhere on the Internet it flashed that if the SU35 cuts its IRBIS at full power, then the F35 locator will generally go blind and for a long time :)
      It will be so! But only under two circumstances. Firstly, it should have a plate on top like an Avax or A-50. Secondly, first the pilot of the Su-35 will go blind ... Have you ever seen such planes live? There the pilot actually sits on the "radar".
      1. +3
        25 September 2018 06: 01
        And you sir, apparently, have a raid on the Su-35 for about 1000 hours, what do you judge about how the pilot feels and what he is sitting on?
  20. -4
    24 September 2018 22: 33
    Enough with the F-35. It has long been clear to any sane person .. If he was as "bad" as they try to suggest through the media, no one would even discuss him. Take off your "rose-colored glasses".
    1. -2
      27 September 2018 00: 42
      Other media are trying to suggest exactly the opposite.
      They like - go tell the truth?
  21. -1
    25 September 2018 08: 02
    presented by a rather impressive list (966 problems) of the so-called "childhood diseases",

    ... Jews will defend an expensive piece of iron together ... laughing ...
    1. 0
      25 September 2018 11: 40
      Sure! HER was sold to them "within the framework of military aid" - take what you have and do not run out.
  22. 0
    25 September 2018 08: 55
    everything is turned upside down.
    it is F-35 that has the ability to launch a full-spherical missile.
    1. -3
      25 September 2018 10: 10
      Yes, who are you saying this to? "Cartoons" and programs of "Soloviev" have already done their job ... Yes
      1. -2
        27 September 2018 00: 43
        And why are you sitting here?
        Go to yours - only truth is told there.
  23. +2
    25 September 2018 10: 37
    One of these "diseases" can be considered raw software SUV, creating errors at the time of processing data target designation,
    Oh, author, author. I understand that our planes need to be promoted, and I am ready to connect to this, but not on such a stupid statement. I will explain the difference between ours and their aircraft, if we have software tightly sewn into the aircraft, then there is none. There, all submarines, planes and tanks are constantly receiving updates (like windows). And Lothin Martin, any statements in the dampness of the software parry. And besides, they can sew up new opportunities, but we cannot
    1. 0
      25 September 2018 11: 44
      We cannot even correctly write "Lockheed Martin" (Lockheed Martin), where we really need to "sew" something somewhere.
      1. -2
        27 September 2018 00: 46
        These young scholars, me, a person with a technical education, always entertain.
        And the more grammatical errors - the more decisive and global tips and solutions.
  24. -2
    26 September 2018 02: 10
    All those who played "tanks" know what Helkat is and how dangerous it is in long-range combat using its stealth, here in the article examples are given (let the f-35 be like this "helkat") when an inconspicuous vehicle designed to destroy the enemy from the "inviz" why then thrown into a frontal attack, it's like "tanking" a helkat against a kv-2, of course, it will simply slap it like a fly, the f-35 must use low ESR and perfect sensors to detect targets before it is "seen" and destroy them taking advantage of this advantage (as the same notorious helkat standing, roughly speaking in the bush, shoots the poor Kv-2, who would be happy to kill him, but simply does not see ...) With the correct use of the f-35, a decent machine (otherwise we would not have done The Su-57 also has elements of stealth, which, with the right tactics, will bring victory in battle, all other things being equal, as a sniper saw earlier, killed earlier and survived, it is foolish to demand absolutely ALL advantages from an aircraft (I'm talking about stealth, bespho supersonic sound and the ability to maneuver like a sports plane, all this at an affordable price) such technology does not exist a priori, in principle, say, "invisibility" imposes aerodynamic restrictions due to its shape)
    1. 0
      28 September 2018 11: 44
      Invisibility is a chip, not an imba. If you rely solely on it, you will get a very narrow airplane while using it. Well, he will launch a rocket from 200 km. Even the Su-27 will recognize and evade it. What `s next?
  25. 0
    26 September 2018 10: 33
    Hmm, no one wondered where the second F-22 would have been at that time.
    1. -2
      27 September 2018 00: 47
      And where? (colleagues, shhh!)
      Well, do not languish.
  26. +1
    28 September 2018 11: 32
    Universal plane ?! It's ridiculous! I believe this when I see a universal car, which is a bus and a dump truck and a crane with a tank and a freezer.
  27. 0
    28 September 2018 11: 41
    Quote: merkava-2bet
    And most importantly, the United States created a revolution in aviation, three (3) different machines based on one, no one in the world could ...

    Yeah, based on the Yak-141))
  28. 0
    28 September 2018 22: 40
    Only real combat experience will tell. So far - only fortune telling.