The main ally of the United States in the Persian Gulf will buy C-400?

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According to RT, a delegation of representatives of Saudi Arabia arrived in Moscow on Friday to hold talks on the possibility of purchasing one of the best Russian air defense systems, Triumph C-400. So far there is no information about the outcome of the negotiations. Information about the arrival of the Saudi delegation was announced by the ambassador of this state in Russia, who unexpectedly declared that the United States would not impose sanctions on Riyadh for the purchase of Russian systems.

If the negotiations are successful, Saudi Arabia will be the third country in the world to acquire the Russian C-400 complexes (at present, except for our country, only China and Turkey have such systems). However, the fact that the visit of the Saudi delegation will lead to the conclusion of a contract, and especially to the delivery on it, is far from a fact. In particular, India back in July 2018 approved C-400 acquisitions, but so far, for a number of reasons, it is not the happy owner of these complexes.





In general, when supplying C-400, the management of enterprises responsible for this export should think not only about the possible profit, but also about who should sell this, in fact, strategic weapon.

The fact that this is still happening is evidenced, in particular, by the unsuccessful attempt to purchase these air defense systems by a new army of post-Saddam Iraq, an army created by US efforts and under their control. Officially, the Iraqi delegation, which attempted to purchase C-400 at the beginning of this year, stated the need to protect Islamic shrines from air attacks from terrorists, as well as the desire to create a full-fledged air defense system to protect its airspace.



However, there are still no deliveries of one of the best air defense systems in the world to the country, which is actually under the control of the United States, so far there is no question. Perhaps the Americans (for whom a thorough knowledge of the technical stuffing of the C-400 is very likely a strategic factor of their geopolitics), not being able to get these complexes from China and Turkey, decided to simply send "Saudi merchants instead of Iraqis"?
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  1. -2
    22 September 2018 17: 22
    Syndication on them also impose?
    1. 0
      22 September 2018 17: 24
      Quote: Theodore
      Syndication on them also impose?

      Why, they will shoot down our pilots .. well, or Syrian ..
      1. +19
        22 September 2018 18: 04
        Selling the latest weapons to a potential adversary is a state crime. Conclusion: If these norms do not apply, then government is in the hands of the enemy ...
        Now imagine if the purchase of the Russian Federation, China, or even Belarus from the United States with the latest weapons is IMPOSSIBLE! ... Often, the actions of the Russian government are fundamentally anti-Russian actions, why?
        1. +2
          22 September 2018 18: 12
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          Selling the latest weapons to a potential adversary is a state crime. Conclusion: If these norms do not apply, then government is in the hands of the enemy ...
          Now imagine if the purchase of the Russian Federation, China, or even Belarus from the United States with the latest weapons is IMPOSSIBLE! ... Often, the actions of the Russian government are fundamentally anti-Russian actions, why?

          Yes, just everything .. Making money is a priority for the current government, this is the essence of the ultra liberals who are now in power. There is nothing sacred for them, at least they will trade with the devil, just to earn money.
          1. +9
            22 September 2018 18: 44
            It’s hard to determine all this, then you can’t sell it to anyone ... today is a friend - tomorrow is the enemy.
            1. +3
              23 September 2018 00: 22
              Quote: cniza
              In general, when delivering C-400 to the management of the enterprises responsible for this export, it is necessary to think not only about possible profits, but also about who should sell this, in fact, strategic weapon.

              Who should sell such complexes should think the country's leadership, and not the manufacturer. hi
        2. 0
          22 September 2018 19: 08
          Vladimir, you discovered America straight, right.
      2. +1
        23 September 2018 09: 25
        From the territory of the S-400 SA will not reach Syria .... and the SA has something to shoot down, there are many F-15s in the latest modification with AFAR.
    2. +6
      22 September 2018 17: 46
      Quote: Theodore
      Syndication on them also impose?

      Mandatory. In general, it may even be beneficial to the United States. First, it will provide the Saudi allies with reliable cover from all kinds of missiles, which Patriot cannot. Secondly, Americans, Jews and other NATO allies will be able to familiarize themselves with the S-400 in detail, albeit in the export version. This, say, will greatly help them in a collision with this system in China and other countries planning to purchase.
      1. +3
        22 September 2018 18: 10
        This will not help the Omerikans much, but $ 6,5 billion will definitely help our defense industry. But you can understand the Saudis - security is more expensive than money. Consequently, Qatar and the UAE will catch up, i.e. the S-400 becomes not just an air defense / missile defense system, but a system of Russia's global geopolitical influence. Especially considering the purchase by India and Iraq.
        1. -1
          22 September 2018 19: 24
          Yes, to buy the Americans for a trillion of our entire Russian liberal government and deal with the end, if the conversation is only about money. Although, according to signs, there are results ... Russia does not have its own national government, only a mockery of Gaidar-Chubais attempts with consensus in the form of GDP. So the time to clean up the Chubais inheritance and change the GDP, - the corrupt vertical to privileges firmly stuck to it, it’s hard to overcome, but for the future of Russia it is necessary ......
        2. +3
          22 September 2018 22: 34
          Quote: Sarmat Sanych
          But you can understand the Saudis

          Of course you can. Throughout their history, these princes loved to buy beautiful and fashionable toys, sometimes horses, sometimes cuirasses, sometimes muskets ... But they were not smart enough to use them. Simply - "to be." laughing
    3. -1
      22 September 2018 20: 31
      The Americans are acting stupid.
      Let the allies buy, get s-400 from their allies, dig into it, disassemble it to the screw and do better.
      Prohibition has never brought the prohibitive side to good in the long run. In no area of ​​human life / being.
      1. +1
        22 September 2018 21: 19
        you do not understand from birth the essence or professionally lying. For hundreds of years, the Chinese kept secrets of making silk, and so the rich, as soon as they stole (sold) the secrets of making silk, incomes went down multiple times - for example, Sell new achievements to the enemy, mean sell secrets ... They will get secrets from the allies, but it will be more extended over time and more under control ...
        1. dSK
          0
          22 September 2018 21: 44
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          Sell ​​new achievements to the enemy, mean sell secrets
          States never did.... Sell S - 300, but not S - 400 bully .
          To Saudis like Turkey, for our VTB loans?
          Have they already been shipped to Turkey?
          only China and Turkey have such systems
    4. 0
      23 September 2018 01: 53

      THEODOR (FEDERA Lumberjacks) Yesterday, 17: 22
      -1
      Syndication on them also impose?

      ... and then read the title faintly?
      Saudi delegation arrival details voiced by the ambassador of this state in Russia, unexpectedly stating that US will not impose sanctions on Riyadh for the purchase of Russian systems.
  2. +7
    22 September 2018 17: 23
    Let's get right to the States, as a gift. What time to pull, let them study.
    1. +6
      22 September 2018 17: 29
      Given the fact that the Saudis are already under the us, selling them a c400 is the transfer of the complex to study the us.
      1. +3
        22 September 2018 17: 31
        They already know all that is needed.
      2. +3
        22 September 2018 17: 46
        This is how to study the device of the piano, listening to how I throw it from the stairs.
        1. +3
          22 September 2018 17: 55
          An experienced person will hear what he needs when the piano falls.
          1. 0
            22 September 2018 18: 04
            The composition of the varnish, for example, or the percentage of copper in the string, the temperature of the wood ...) By the way, welcome!
            1. +3
              22 September 2018 19: 08
              And I'm glad to see smart and adequate people ...
    2. +3
      22 September 2018 23: 28
      Quote: NordUral
      What time to pull, let them study.

      What can they learn there? The range of parts? The most important thing in such systems is logic, work algorithms .. This can only be learned by connecting directly to the processes. How to do this in a block structure? There are no wires, there are no non-conductive outputs either .. The block is flooded and non-separable, especially critical blocks are self-destructing during unauthorized removal .. do not consider the idiots of the designers who created such a complex.
      1. +1
        23 September 2018 05: 06
        Quote: dvina71
        The most important thing in such systems is logic, work algorithms.

        Here they will be studied. Output parameters, logic, algorithms, operating frequencies. And creating your own blocks with the given parameters for the states is not a big problem. Yes, and countermeasures are much easier to develop, having a model of technology.
      2. +1
        23 September 2018 09: 53
        I've heard this story about the S-300. That when it fell into the hands of the United States, they studied it and were surprised at its possibilities. Therefore, during the period of "friendship of peoples" they tried to get all the mathematics at three hundred. But judging by how I work, Patriot was not given to them.
  3. -1
    22 September 2018 17: 29
    Well, if only to troll and bring discord into the camp of exceptional smile In reality, of course, the Saudis will not be allowed to take their "roof" of the S-400.
  4. -1
    22 September 2018 17: 29
    I think no need to sell.
    1. +1
      22 September 2018 17: 36
      you express your opinion to the United States. so that they will shorten the leash to the Saudis, otherwise the oil shafts naively think that they all can do it themselves ...
    2. +2
      22 September 2018 17: 38
      What and for whom refusal to sell will change? Everyone will remain with their own, as they say.
    3. 0
      22 September 2018 18: 09
      No, it’s necessary. The following are already on their way.
    4. +1
      22 September 2018 23: 28
      If a Jew thinks he doesn’t want to sell, something is wrong here. Maybe a Jew himself wants to sell something?
      1. +1
        23 September 2018 00: 35
        There was an article or news on VO about the sale of an export version of the "iron kumpol".
        1. +1
          25 September 2018 22: 06
          I don’t understand the article on VO, but there was “talk” about the possible acquisition by Azerbaijan, as you put it, “kumpola”.
  5. +9
    22 September 2018 17: 34
    What, Turkey has already received the S-400 ?!
    After such "articles", the same rhetorical question remains - when will the VO editorial board begin to more carefully approach the selection of published materials?
    1. 0
      22 September 2018 18: 05
      Turkey already a year ago transferred an advance of $ 2 billion in real money, so yes - they already bought the S-400.
      1. +3
        22 September 2018 18: 14
        Quote: Sarmat Sanych
        Turkey already a year ago transferred an advance of $ 2 billion in real money, so yes - they already bought the S-400.

        We sell loans to Turkey .. if that ..
      2. 0
        22 September 2018 19: 37
        4 divisions cost $ 2.5 billion, 55% of the deal, Russia gives on credit. Where did you get 2 billion dollars. listing?
    2. 0
      22 September 2018 18: 10
      Quote: Rostislav
      What, Turkey has already received the S-400 ?!
      After such "articles", the same rhetorical question remains - when will the VO editorial board begin to more carefully approach the selection of published materials?


      it would be better if they announced this news (and the time is 16.02) -
      MOSCOW, Sep 22 - RIA News. The Ministry of Defense will publish on September 23 detailed information on all the circumstances of the crash of the Russian Il-20 aircraft off the coast of Syria.



      RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/syria/20180922/1529136868.html
  6. +2
    22 September 2018 17: 39
    well Saudis troll, called them an ally wassat and even more so the main, and therefore even more beloved wife, than Israel and Turkey combined wassat
  7. 0
    22 September 2018 17: 47
    The Saudis were baked ... Husids seem to annoy them with their missiles, and the Petriots smear godlessly ... So they decided to buy our missiles ...
    1. HAM
      +1
      22 September 2018 18: 09
      It is useless, the Saud have the most expensive and not the worst equipment, but how to use it you can’t buy ...haremmocks only in parades are spectacular ..
  8. +1
    22 September 2018 18: 10
    Patriots not saving from Yemeni missiles? ))) It was obvious...
    But selling weapons to the Saudis is not worth it - it will be immediately transferred to am ...
    1. +1
      22 September 2018 18: 38
      Selling the S-300 Saudis a pure betrayal. even the allies, but then in the counterintelligence of the Russian Defense Ministry there is silence, or all on a free tourist cruise in Israel ...
  9. +2
    22 September 2018 18: 14
    More and more countries do not want to be in a situation: Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Syria. And for us - only pluses.
    - the authority of our weapons, the country,
    - profit
    - workplaces.
    - The training of foreign personnel for their service takes more than half a year, not for free, and these personnel will come out from under our wing.
    With 400 - not an attack weapon, this is a defense weapon - that is, our security is not threatened.
    (we are not going to attack Turkey, India, China, CA,)
    All "secrets" on export options are discounted. We sold the S-300 to Greece (a NATO country) and Iran long ago.
    - We already have the S-500 in the exhaust.
    So, everything is fine. Trading deterrence weapons is quite humane. Yes
  10. +6
    22 September 2018 18: 18
    Selling S-400 to Saudis can make anti-advertising for this system, which is extremely important in our time and will affect contracts in the future. They are 100% messed up with the latest weapons. Patriot for the Israelis works much better than for example. The Saudis have F-15s of the latest modification and at the same time lose them, despite the fact that the Hussite air defense is naturally on the verge of fantasy.
    Yes, the Saudis will pay a lot at once, but not to lose more on that.
  11. 0
    22 September 2018 18: 57
    Vadim851 ...Selling S-400 to Saudis can make anti-advertising for this system, which is extremely important in our time and will affect contracts in the future. They are 100% messed up with the latest weapons. Patriot for the Israelis works much better than for example.


    A primitive look. As you teach, you will receive. According to your logic, if a Mercedes,
    flew into a ditch, then this is a bad car. The authority of the S-400 can no longer be sunk. Whoever needs it, all his abilities know. It is not in vain that the Americans put an ultimatum to Turkey. Tell your grandmother about the "Patriot". hi
    1. +2
      22 September 2018 20: 43
      How many of them have already been trained, the Arab armies and what is the output?
      To know a little ability, you must also be able to use. A Mercedes that flew into the ditch is a sign of the driver’s curvature, and the Saudis should not occupy this curvature. A Patriot in Israel shot down at least two military aircraft on the first try. And some of them, when repulsing an attack, turned into MLRS. But the Turks know how to fight much better and handle high-tech weapons.
  12. +1
    22 September 2018 20: 25
    Quote: Vladimir 5
    Yes, to buy the Americans for a trillion of our entire Russian liberal government and deal with the end, if the conversation is only about money. Although, according to signs, there are results ... Russia does not have its own national government, only a mockery of Gaidar-Chubais attempts with consensus in the form of GDP. So the time to clean up the Chubais inheritance and change the GDP, - the corrupt vertical to privileges firmly stuck to it, it’s hard to overcome, but for the future of Russia it is necessary ......
    Firstly, IT does not cost so much - Americans know how to count money, and secondly, who knows - maybe this has already happened? winked wassat
  13. -1
    22 September 2018 20: 30
    Quote: Vladimir 5
    Selling the latest weapons to a potential adversary is a state crime. Conclusion: If these norms do not apply, then government is in the hands of the enemy ...
    Now imagine if the purchase of the Russian Federation, China, or even Belarus from the United States with the latest weapons is IMPOSSIBLE! ... Often, the actions of the Russian government are fundamentally anti-Russian actions, why?


    I agree that it is impossible. And who told you that the same Saudis, if they conclude a contract today and get the systems in three years, would the S-400 be the NEWEST weapon at that time? And what missiles will the S-400 be equipped for the Saudis?
  14. +4
    22 September 2018 20: 33
    Can we start to deliver "Torah" to the ISIS people? Money doesn't smell
    1. 0
      23 September 2018 04: 12
      Quote: stock buildbat
      Can we start to deliver "Torah" to the ISIS people? Money doesn't smell

      I do not know what the smell of the money received from Turkey for the contract for the supply of the S-400, but I suppose that for the supply of the S-400 to the Saudis, the Russian leadership will demand loyalty in some issues related to the formation of the oil market and prices for it. There is no need to strain too much about the supply of air defense systems to different countries. These funds are intended primarily to repel aggression. Should she be afraid of S-400 strikes if she is not going to use aviation for such purposes? Did Russia present itself as a participant in the bombing of other (sovereign) countries? In addition, to be effective, the air defense system must be echeloned. And the S-400 takes its leading place in it along with other complexes. New S-500 systems are on the way. Only one aspect can cause concern - the effective use of the received billions for the development of the military-industrial complex, and not their distribution among "close friends and effective managers."
  15. 0
    22 September 2018 21: 58
    "Export options" do not have all the bells and whistles that our complexes have. Perhaps our interest in selling was not caused by bucks, although it would also be useful. I think that the work of the S-400 TAM radars will be recorded by us. And it will be very useful to know what is going on in the territory, which is very remote from us.
  16. -1
    22 September 2018 23: 10
    Quote: merkavaa
    I think no need to sell.

    "You must Fedya, you must!" (from)
  17. 0
    23 September 2018 01: 40
    Well, they’ll come, we’ll discuss ... So how many Kurils with Yap are we already discussing?
    Here we will discuss.
  18. 0
    23 September 2018 03: 10
    And then the Saudis will close the skies of Syria from us and our own complexes? I fully support the point of view about the Saudi "zaslentsy", undertaken by the Ameri-GADs for the subsequent detailed inspection of the latest technology ..
    1. 0
      23 September 2018 09: 08
      If necessary, the Iskanders will be neutralized.
      How to cool the ardor there.
  19. 0
    23 September 2018 06: 28
    "However, there is still no talk of any deliveries of some of the world's best air defense systems to a country actually controlled by the United States."

    What is such a problem then? They have been using the "Shell" for a long time.
  20. 0
    23 September 2018 12: 22
    In general, when delivering C-400 to the management of the enterprises responsible for this export, it is necessary to think not only about possible profits, but also about who should sell this, in fact, strategic weapon.

    Some kind of stupidity. What else should management think about? They shouldn’t think about whether the earth will fly on the celestial axis by chance?