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Shoigu: Russia reserves the right to respond to Israel

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The head of the Russian military department, Sergei Shoigu, in a telephone conversation with Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman, directly called Israel guilty of the death of Russian military personnel aboard IL-20, shot down off the coast of Syria.


Shoigu: Russia reserves the right to respond to Israel


The Russian defense minister noted that Moscow has repeatedly called upon various Tel Aviv channels to refrain from strikes on Syrian territory that threaten Russian military personnel. Shoigu stressed that the blame for the death of 15 man entirely lies with the Israeli army. He warned the head of the Israeli Ministry of Defense Avigdor Lieberman that Russia reserves the right to further adequate retaliatory actions against Israel.

The Israeli Ministry of Defense confirmed the fact of a telephone conversation, but declined comment on the night strike on Latakia, saying that they did not comment on information received from abroad.

Meanwhile, as a result of a search for IL-20, the aircraft was found to have fallen 27 km west of the city of Baniyas. At the crash site are eight ships and boats. The fragments of the crew’s bodies, the personal belongings of the servicemen and the wreckage of the aircraft are already on board.
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  1. Prahlad
    Prahlad 18 September 2018 12: 20
    +89
    But there will be no action! These are all empty words!
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 September 2018 12: 21
      +101
      Shoigu, would admit that he messed with the command, leaving the scout without cover, now it's too late to bend your fingers.
      1. dik-nsk
        dik-nsk 18 September 2018 12: 24
        +51
        plus, the cant of the command .. including the previous "concerns"
        1. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 18 September 2018 12: 35
          +45
          Quote: dik-nsk
          plus, the cant of the command .. including the previous "concerns"

          But just what level of command? Does the commander in chief determine with whom we are fighting, and with whom not. Isn’t President Putin drove the military there, into this mess, where you won’t make out without a bottle, who is who, who? And hang the decision on the performers (with the installation, but you just try to hit not because of whom you can answer), when there are almost all partners around, but who, if something happens, can bomb or bring down you, is the last thing.
          1. Logall
            Logall 18 September 2018 12: 47
            +22
            Here, either rigidly set your position, or endure ... The second, apparently, turns out to be better for the command. I don’t want to find fault ...
            I doubt that the headquarters have a clear understanding of what to do.
            Many times it has been said about the no-fly zone ... Then it would be possible to shoot down without any "concerns". But...
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            2. 1976AG
              1976AG 18 September 2018 13: 50
              -4
              Unfortunately, Russia has always been distinguished by the fact that it harnesses for a long time ... But that is precisely why our answer was almost always unexpected for the enemy. I don’t doubt that the answer will be, because they still will not stop there and still will not leave us any other choice.
              1. imrek_ua
                imrek_ua 18 September 2018 14: 02
                +46
                What an answer there. Turks shot down the Su-24? Shot down. Now almost the best friends. Right now, the IL-20 Jews framed. In a couple of years, they will become dearer to the Turks. Now I’m thinking now, maybe gunpowder and Co. also had to knock down some Russian military board, you see, all the differences would have been forgotten. Hey, who wants to be friends with Russia, stand in line, there are many more planes!
                Damn, there are no censored words to comment on this toothless policy!
                1. 1976AG
                  1976AG 18 September 2018 14: 19
                  +3
                  When organizing an otvetka, one must be prepared for a variety of scenarios of events, including the destruction of AWACS aircraft, and for this it is necessary that there are long-range 400H40E in the S-6 arsenal, but are they there? Yes, Israeli planes are also trying to hit from afar .. The zone of real destruction of the S-400 plays a very important role. But let's see, in any case, the wait is not long
                2. Kent0001
                  Kent0001 18 September 2018 16: 36
                  0
                  Not only do you not understand.
              2. 1 Navigator
                1 Navigator 18 September 2018 15: 08
                +2
                Russia is now pursuing a policy of victims. Even if they could not answer for the murder of Zakharchenko with dill, then Israel is even more so.
                1. Looking for
                  Looking for 18 September 2018 17: 47
                  +5
                  KEEPING your policy, KEEPING !!!!. Fight on the side of Syria, so DESTROY EVERYONE who carries out military operations against SAR-Americans, Israelis, Turks.
                  1. Andrey K
                    Andrey K 18 September 2018 19: 22
                    +3
                    Quote: Seeker
                    ... KNOWLEDGE is your policy, KNOWLEDGE !!!!. Fight on the side of Syria, so DESTROY everyone who carries out military operations against SAR-Americans, Israelis, Turks ...

                    Does this say the representative of the territory, not cowardly leveling civilians in the Donbass and screaming at all angles about victories over the RF Armed Forces for the fifth year?
                    Who told you that we are fighting on the side of Assad?
                    Listen more closely to our Supreme - we are in Syria at the request of a legitimate government to assist in the fight against terrorists, and not with Syrian neighbors.
                    Do not attract by the ears what is not in nature.
                    Less to you from me.
                    1. Vladimir 5
                      Vladimir 5 19 September 2018 21: 04
                      0
                      Cowardly, not the country, but the rulers ... And it makes no difference that in Ukraine, in Russia, those same valtsman with a kagal in power, and on the other side the same thing ... So the forelocks are cracking at the Ukrainians and Russians, and the pans are playing in enmity ....
                      1. Andrey K
                        Andrey K 19 September 2018 21: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Vladimir 5
                        ... Cowardly, not the country, but the rulers ... And it makes no difference that in Ukraine, in Russia, those same valtsman with a kagal in power, and on the other side the same thing ... So the forelocks are cracking among Ukrainians and Russians, and the lords play the enmity ...

                        With what fright do you equate Maidan impostors and non-brothers, shedding the blood of their fellow citizens in the Donbass, with us?
                        Where did you see the parallels?
                        It is not necessary to smear our power and our people with this dung.
                      2. Alber
                        Alber 12 October 2018 13: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        It’s not necessary to smear our power with this dung and

                        They (the authorities) are already smeared head over heels in this same dung
                    2. moisha
                      moisha 20 September 2018 11: 32
                      -2
                      Where should they be leveled as you leveled in Chechnya.
                      1. Andrey K
                        Andrey K 20 September 2018 16: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: moisha
                        ... Where should they be leveled as you leveled in Chechnya ...

                        Have you read Eurobread?
                        I was in Chechnya, leveled out who I needed.
                        Help you flush?
                  2. Examenatornick
                    Examenatornick 19 September 2018 06: 57
                    +3
                    Representative of a country deprived of sovereignty. Those who sold the memory of their ancestors unsubscribed.
              3. Lena363
                Lena363 19 September 2018 11: 46
                +1
                Until you turn blue you will wait a long time for an answer! And after the Turks shot down the SU-24, the otvetka goes for a long time, right for years.
          2. Strelets1
            Strelets1 18 September 2018 18: 45
            +1
            Quote: Leshy1975
            Quote: dik-nsk
            plus, the cant of the command .. including the previous "concerns"

            But just what level of command? Does the commander in chief determine with whom we are fighting, and with whom not. Isn’t President Putin drove the military there, into this mess, where you won’t make out without a bottle, who is who, who? And hang the decision on the performers (with the installation, but you just try to hit not because of whom you can answer), when there are almost all partners around, but who, if something happens, can bomb or bring down you, is the last thing.


            Correctly noticed - there are too many "partners" divorced ... who either announce sanctions, then "stab in the back" ... Maybe already enough to partner, it's time to start calling things by their proper names?
            So that the same military in Syria do not bother when making decisions ...
            And then interesting statements "... the text of the speech of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation was agreed with the President ...", and then "... this is a chain of tragic accidents ..." Netanyahu was sitting in the Kremlin - which, he could not put forward a condition - no strikes in the provinces of Syria, where the Russian bases are stationed?
        2. elai
          elai 18 September 2018 13: 01
          +15
          Concerns come first. The softness of our MO has brought so many bases to the USA. Turkey is doing what is in its interests, and Israel is bombing it time after time. Generally Jewish, they are vile and cunning.
          1. Xander
            Xander 18 September 2018 13: 49
            -31
            Syrians shot down and the Jews to blame? Rare nonsense wassat
            That is, an Israeli pilot must, before the operation, think about where someone's MILITARY plane will turn, where a moronic ancient rocket will be homing, which turns out to not recognize friend or foe, which a hand-footed Syrian anti-aircraft gunner is shooting, and also warn about the goals in a day. Went to buy a book "The Art of War" author S. Shoigu laughing

            In fact, everything is much simpler - Israel did not expose anyone, did not plan anything about what was being broadcast, the pilots were truly sorry, they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. All questions to those who crap one's pants, to themselves, to the Syrians. For example, where was the umbrella from S-400/500/600/700, F-16 became invisible? Why did not the Syrians destroy the rocket if it flew in the wrong direction? The attack was 10 minutes, the Syrians fought back 40 minutes, from whom did they heroically fend off another half hour? wassat

            The strong takes responsibility and draws conclusions; the weak seeks guilty on the side hi
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                1. shalkir
                  shalkir 18 September 2018 14: 43
                  +7
                  Yes! There is a war going on! But the problem is, what are you doing there? Especially bomb? Nobody called you to this war or forced you to fight. Why then talk about this topic, if initially wrong
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              2. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 18 September 2018 16: 58
                0
                Quote: sagitch
                Yes, don’t

                oh, be careful Ildar, you will fly away to the "ban" once ... Smirnov will see and ...
            3. imrek_ua
              imrek_ua 18 September 2018 14: 06
              +12
              Here I agree with almost everything. A little clarification on the issues. Why did not the Syrians bring down planes operating on Syrian sites? And this is not the first raid. In the first they would have landed, and there would have been no other raids.
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            5. pilot69
              pilot69 18 September 2018 14: 49
              +2
              So you need to make sure that your pilots are in the wrong place and at the wrong time. Once. Your society will quickly convey to such warriors as you what you need to do. Definitely.
              1. Varaga
                Varaga 18 September 2018 15: 03
                +2
                "In the wrong place at the wrong time" - these are ruffians on the ground in Syria.
                It will be just right.
                1. pilot69
                  pilot69 18 September 2018 15: 08
                  +5
                  At least once, I will also condole with them. Sincerely. The military pays for the sins of politicians. But how quickly it comes. Oh, wei!
                  1. pilot69
                    pilot69 18 September 2018 15: 42
                    +4
                    Che have flown minuscule then, my kosher friends. It’s real, the friends of the Jews are immeasurable, no one knows whom I will not ask for this site. Paradox, damn it.
              2. moisha
                moisha 20 September 2018 11: 37
                -1
                We do not have dear pilots, the Luftwaffe has long been disbanded.
            6. gorenina91
              gorenina91 18 September 2018 14: 49
              +4
              -Of course, there will be no "answer" from Russia ... -and Israel will get away with it once again ... -Jewish pilots will receive awards, encouragements ... together with them, the Americans and Ukropovtsy will be very happy about the grief of Russia and ISIS and all sorts of ... "public" ...
              -But in vain did the Israelis do this ...- oh. How in vain ... -They will regret another thousand times, one hundred thousand times, a million times ... that this happened ... with the Russian crew ...
              -Israel again drove itself "on the roof" ...- Then again there will be bitter tears, tearing side-locks, groaning and wailing ... -And maybe there will be another Sholem Aleichem who will again begin to describe the suffering of the Jewish people (will write another " violinist on the roof ") and so on ... other ... suffering ... -But who is driving you to this" roof "now ...? -Or they themselves wanted to show themselves "as high as possible" ...
              -Okay ... today you can still rejoice and cynically rant ... -And tomorrow .. ???
              -And tomorrow..? -And tomorrow.???
              -Oh, what kind of Israeli Jews are fools that did this ... -Simim is not scary ..? -And Russia .. and the Russians .. and the children of the dead Russians ..? -What goosebumps didn’t run ...?
              -Yes .., really, the inhabitants of Russia will not forget this ... -What will our government do there "in response" ... -Most likely-nothing ... -Everything will cover up as always ... -But the Russian people are good will remember ... -oh .., you shouldn't have done it ...
              -Well ... but for now rejoice ... have fun ... mock ...
            7. Varaga
              Varaga 18 September 2018 14: 55
              +10
              And what, let me know, the organ of the Jews climb into Syria ?! Bomb their territory ?! Golan squeezed ?! It is legal?! The same thing ...
            8. Andrey K
              Andrey K 18 September 2018 15: 01
              +4
              Quote: Xander
              ... The Syrians were shot down and the Jews are to blame? Rare nonsense ...

              The Waashpe Jews are innocent, they simply hid behind a cowardly behind the IL-20, and of course not.
              Quote: Xander
              ... That is, the Israeli pilot must think before the operation where someone’s MILITARY plane will collapse, where a moronic ancient missile that doesn’t recognize its alien, which the Syrian anti-aircraft gunner fires, and also warn for a day about the targets ...

              That is, according to your logic, Israeli pilots without brains?
              They do not need to think?
              Quote: Xander
              ... they were in the wrong place at the wrong time ...

              What will you sing when in your, Israeli sky, you will feel in the wrong place and at the wrong time.
              Quote: Xander
              ... The strong takes responsibility and draws conclusions, the weak seeks the guilty on the side ...

              As I understand it, you are not talking about Israel, because there is something between - and neither strong nor weak.
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            10. cfvfhf1
              cfvfhf1 18 September 2018 17: 58
              0
              https://topwar.ru/147146-izrailskie-f-16-podstavili-il-20-pod-udar-sirijskogo-kompleksa-s-200.html
              Read
            11. Strelets1
              Strelets1 18 September 2018 18: 58
              +5
              Quote: Xander
              Syrians shot down and the Jews to blame?


              Jews - they are "God's chosen" ...
              Americans are "exceptional" ...

              Well, of course, the Russians are to blame for everything ... It was they who put the S-200 to the "bloody Assad" - so they said, they stabbed ...
              Quote: Xander
              ... an ancient rocket that doesn’t recognize a friend or foe, which is fired by a Syriac hand-footed ...


              Do you even know that the identification codes for NATIONAL systems "Friend or Foe" are not distributed left and right to all comers, and when supplying air defense systems to other countries, these systems are NOT SUPPLIED ...?
            12. andj61
              andj61 18 September 2018 19: 23
              +7
              Yes, that's right - the Syrians shot down, and the Jews are to blame! yes Israel warned of the strike in ONE minute before the strike. This warning cannot be called otherwise than bullying. Such a late warning ultimately led to tragedy. As a result, we need to be much tougher in the future to ensure the safety of our people and to destroy everyone who threatens this security. Israel definitely loses from this incident - however, like us.
              And the Syrian squadrons still need to be taught and taught - they are far from professionalism - they see their plane in the firing zone - there’s nothing to shoot at all!
              1. Dimon19661
                Dimon19661 19 September 2018 01: 18
                +3
                And who told you that they saw their plane? The Russian system of OWN-ALIEN does not work with them, since the encoding changes every day. And is extremely secret information. Take a word, I spent many years doing air defense systems.
              2. Lena363
                Lena363 19 September 2018 11: 53
                0
                And where were the flight controllers? Didn’t they see foreign planes and didn’t light IL-20 from them? Even in civil aviation, this is done elementarily. And then they overslept and kneaded their plane between air defense and Israeli aircraft. Why are they hoping again for someone to be warned in advance?
                1. andj61
                  andj61 19 September 2018 15: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Lena363
                  And where were the flight controllers? Didn’t they see foreign planes and didn’t light IL-20 from them? Even in civil aviation, this is done elementarily. And then they overslept and kneaded their plane between air defense and Israeli aircraft. Why are they hoping again for someone to be warned in advance?

                  This whole "process" lasted a matter of minutes, if not seconds - that was not enough time.
            13. Phoenix_L'vov
              Phoenix_L'vov 18 September 2018 21: 52
              -1
              Destroy your planes, then there will be no problems.
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            15. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 19 September 2018 14: 31
              -1
              I did not expect anything else from a citizen of a country that supports terrorists at the behest of an overseas owner. You are a citizen, so you have to support the policy of your country, so support it. At least you support the terrorists who will come to your territory. Honest position, respect. Not like "our" liberals. Seriously, I respect you for your civil position.
            16. Alber
              Alber 20 September 2018 14: 45
              0
              Quote: Xander
              everything is much simpler - Israel did not expose anyone, did not plan anything about what is being broadcast,

              From time immemorial Israelis have always and everywhere substituted ALL. Pitted nations among themselves. Funded by the Nazis. Organized crises ...
              they always and on everything did gesheft
          2. Strelets1
            Strelets1 18 September 2018 18: 49
            +1
            Quote: elai
            Concerns come first. The softness of our MO has brought so many bases to the USA.


            Well, here's another one ... Well, of course, in Syria everything is exclusively decided by Shoigu ... the rest of the "handlers" have nothing to do with ...
      2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 18 September 2018 12: 24
        +77
        Let's see how it ends. At first they said that they would shoot down everything else in the sky of Syria, then that they would threaten our bases and justify that Shairat was said to be far away. Now they bomb under Hmeimim’s nose. What's next? Are bombs waiting on this side of the fence? By the way, Jews who leave for the Jews are paid a pension from the Russian budget and taxpayers' funds.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 18 September 2018 12: 31
          +74
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          By the way, Jews who leave for the Jews are paid a pension from the Russian budget and taxpayers' funds.

          Only those who have not renounced citizenship of the Russian Federation. To cover this shop, you need to change the law, excluding from it the institution of dual citizenship. But the pro-Jewish lobby (as well as the friends of London and Washington) will not allow this.
          And you still wonder why our economy cart doesn’t roll !!!
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            1. Nikolai Petrov
              Nikolai Petrov 18 September 2018 13: 28
              +14
              Dog breeder, I agree completely! You can talk about anyone and anything. BUT! The Chosen One is inviolable and sacred. We must get out of this VO. Zionism is everywhere!
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 18 September 2018 12: 48
            +6
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Only those who have not renounced citizenship of the Russian Federation.

            Are there such people? Why refuse, if you can not refuse and receive a pension in excess
          3. Ural-4320
            Ural-4320 18 September 2018 14: 55
            -1
            Yes, the Russian economy’s cart is hurting. Only she knows how to roll and can a small circle of persons. The results of the economy are exported by the same cart.
          4. Strelets1
            Strelets1 18 September 2018 19: 11
            +1
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            But the pro-Jewish lobby (as well as the friends of London and Washington) will not allow this.

            The boa constrictor, they are not "friends" to us ... they are ... hehe ... "partners" ...

            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            And you still wonder why our economy cart doesn’t roll !!!

            In my opinion, no one is already surprised at those who are crazy in their minds ... as well as the fact that the Ministry of Economic Development is headed by a clown who knows how to guess on the coffee grounds - about the ruble exchange rate and oil prices ... and everything to the rest of the mess called the government ...
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 18 September 2018 23: 12
              -1
              Quote: Strelets1
              they are not "friends" to us ... they ... hehe ...

              So I write that these are "friends of London and Washington", of course, they are not our friends (if you are not a friend of London and Washington! Too) ...
              1. Strelets1
                Strelets1 18 September 2018 23: 26
                +1
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                0
                Quote: Strelets1
                they are not "friends" to us ... they ... hehe ...

                So I write that these are "friends of London and Washington", of course, they are not our friends (if you are not a friend of London and Washington! Too) ...


                No, I'm not a friend .. and not a partner ...

                I am one of those who adhere to the old Russian ... "a pig is not a comrade"
        2. masterovoy
          masterovoy 18 September 2018 12: 34
          +55
          Quite right, my colleague, who moved to Israel 2 years ago, receives a pension from the Russian Ministry of Defense and something in Israel, and at the same time "crap" on Russia on social networks.
          1. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 18 September 2018 17: 31
            -1
            And what about the pension?
        3. Alber
          Alber 18 September 2018 12: 34
          +13
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          bomb under Hmeimim’s nose. What's next? Are bombs waiting on this side of the fence? By the way, Jews who leave for the Jews are paid a pension from the Russian budget and taxpayers' funds.

          I would hell and not retire! for their attitude to other nations
        4. NordUral
          NordUral 18 September 2018 12: 36
          +35
          Since the 91 of the country, respected people are deserters and thieves.
        5. figwam
          figwam 18 September 2018 12: 41
          +22
          Shoigu emphasized that the blame for the deaths of 15 people lies entirely with the Israeli army.

          So, going to meet Israel, they allowed attacks on Syrian land to prevent God-chosen victims, but now we pay with our lives for this ourselves.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 18 September 2018 13: 08
            +8
            Quote: figvam
            So, going to meet Israel, they allowed attacks on Syrian land to prevent God-chosen victims, but now we pay with our lives for this ourselves

            It's time to end kissing the shoes of all sorts of "partners" Russian people are dying ... The best are dying, the country's elite ... It's time, no, it's not even time, but it is necessary to kick the "chosen of God" in the teeth! Something I do not like the latest gestures of our "leaders" ... In Russia there should not be "YANUKOVICHES" and other cowards! -------- Step on your foot .. Oh! Sorry, you stepped on my foot. Step on another one, I beg you ........
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        7. Irokez
          Irokez 18 September 2018 13: 13
          0
          You probably borrowed this picture from the liberals, or so blasphemously at the moment added in order to show through the current emotions who is to blame? Do you seriously blame those in the picture?
          In Syria, the situation is extremely difficult and our government, the president and the Defense Ministry have to maneuver among the many rocks and underwater rapids in order to somehow keep the situation under control and without a new outbreak of any conflict.
          At the same time, everyone (almost the entire civilized world) who is interested in stirring up the conflict and redistributing Syria into pieces will be harmful to us, and in this situation it is possible to expect everything and it is simply impossible to predict and warn all the frauds from both partners and Turkey, Israel and other neighbors.
          The East is a tricky and vile affair and we need to be prepared for everything, but we think the Russians as always that a colleague and partner will not strike in the back and will not substitute for we are doing one thing, but as you can see, not everything is the same as with us (Russians) and there are those who think completely differently and the problem is not just in us, but in those who throw a knife in our backs. Accordingly, you do not need to blaspheme and scold your own for this, and we do not have the right to sit on the couch. You, my friend, will decide what kind of president we have, and the ministers are good or bad, or when everything is ours, then it’s good, and when it’s not ours, it’s bad.
          When bad print photos with pigeons.
          Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich


          When the good are with guns

          You already decide on your choice. In other countries, they look at the mistakes of their government a little differently and they don’t shoot for their impossibility to foresee or change their situation, realizing that it is simply impossible to foresee and foresee everything.
          I hope all sofa strategists will understand my comment and message.
          1. bars876
            bars876 18 September 2018 13: 21
            +8
            But the opinion is changing, and because of them our military is already being blatantly killed ... The fact is that one blah blah and the girls with cropped ...
            1. Irokez
              Irokez 18 September 2018 13: 51
              +2
              Quote: bars876
              And the opinion is changing

              Watch the movie "Two Comrades Served". Very indicative of friendship and an instant change in the opinion of one of them. With such a friend and enemies are not necessary.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 18 September 2018 13: 25
            +1
            Quote: Irokez
            You already decide on your choice.

            determined long ago - professionalism in everything, there is no slander and praise. Do not believe it, I fired some for this.
            Quote: Irokez
            In other countries, their government’s blunders are a little different.

            Of course otherwise, they’ll get fired. It’s just that they continue to keep us in power for mistakes.
            Quote: Irokez
            The East is a tricky and vile affair and we need to be prepared for everything, but we think Russian as always that a colleague and partner will not strike in the back and will not substitute because we are doing one thing

            Without knowing the ford, do not pop into the water. And then, with what fright do we have a common cause with Israel and Turkey?
            Quote: Irokez
            who is to blame for everything? Do you seriously blame those in the picture?

            and who is to blame? Who should think about the scenarios? Who makes the most important decisions? By the way, there are several people in the pictures, whom do you mean?
            1. Irokez
              Irokez 18 September 2018 13: 38
              -5
              Quote: Silvestr
              By the way, there are several people in the pictures, whom do you mean?

              Those about whom it is as if they merged everything and do not understand anything (ignoramuses in your opinion). Unfortunately, the problem is not only that everything cannot be foreseen, but also in those who are cunning and clever behind our backs under the auspices of general agreements.
              Wade and water were known and all sorts of consequences were expected, but from which direction no one will fly, will never tell you.
              It is a pity that Zyuganov or Sobchak did not become presidents - the most adequate answer would be. Well, just sure and you (also sure) would scold them as well as right now.
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          4. UMA-UMA
            UMA-UMA 18 September 2018 15: 47
            +1
            Lots of text about nothing. The author asks to enter into a position to understand and forgive. One could understand an isolated case, but this is politics - a policy of concessions and weakness. So we will lose the country. And this is your touching: "it is impossible to foresee everything," sorry, just delirium. If there are enemy fighters in the sector, then the support aircraft should take off with fighter cover. This is not a foresight, THIS IS THE LAW OF WAR TIME.
            1. Irokez
              Irokez 18 September 2018 18: 44
              +1
              Quote: UMA-UMA
              THIS LAW OF WAR TIME

              Is there a war with Israel? What time are you writing?
              - There are no aviation terrorists and therefore there is no escort in this sector of our aircraft.
              - There was no warning about the Israeli operation on Syria until the last minute.
              - Further, the distance that the F-16 can fly in a short time to the place of attack is small and there were no assumptions about the danger in a fairly quiet flight sector.
              Quote: UMA-UMA
              The author asks to enter into a position to understand and forgive. And this is your touching: "It is impossible to foresee everything," sorry, just delirium.

              Nobody is going to forgive anyone, but it is necessary to understand and understand the situation and once again I say and affirm - "it is impossible to foresee everything" how and where and when we will win back or how it will affect the dollar exchange rate, for example.
              There is such a wise saying: - "Man proposes, but God disposes", and since we are not 100% gods, we will not be able to predict and arrange everything as it should, especially in competition with the same as ourselves.
              Therefore, I urge that from the current situation to draw sober conclusions, and not squeak on emotions that everything is bad and we lost.
              1. 1976AG
                1976AG 18 September 2018 20: 46
                0
                In Syria, military operations are taking place, not exercises, and therefore wartime laws apply
                1. Irokez
                  Irokez 18 September 2018 21: 28
                  0
                  If the enemy does not have aviation, what will the fighter bomb escorts accompany during the bombing?
      3. Logall
        Logall 18 September 2018 12: 24
        +42
        Here is a clear example of what happens when people are put on the post of department head without proper education ...
        At first everything went off with a bang, but now the picture is changing. The Turks dictate their terms, Israel is doing dirty tricks, and besides everything else, we are stupidly losing people and equipment ... That is a bomber without cover, now a scout without any protection.
        What to expect tomorrow?
        1. Dangerous
          Dangerous 18 September 2018 12: 35
          +36
          Well, that's right. The other day there was an article here that the president appoints people with the main qualities of loyalty and devotion, and then official compliance. While there were no "hot" situations, Shoigu coped. Now the standard answer of the Ministry of Defense "we reserve the right, etc., etc." looks ridiculous, because before that there were no "retaliation" to Ukraine for their lawlessness, neither the Turks for the Su-24, nor the Americans for Syria were and will not be
          1. Ivan Ivanov
            Ivan Ivanov 18 September 2018 12: 37
            +13
            Quote: Dangerous
            because there are no "otvetok" neither to Ukraine for their lawlessness, nor to the Turks for the Su-24, nor the Americans for Syria, and will not


            Here politicians are clearly more than a military failure, "we are not touching Israel", "kissing the fifth point" does not come from the shoigu but from the supreme.
            1. Alber
              Alber 18 September 2018 12: 58
              +2
              Quote: IvanIvanov

              Here politicians are clearly more than a military failure, "we are not touching Israel", "kissing the fifth point" does not come from the Shoigu but from the Supreme

              From them together! all power
          2. Bull Terrier
            Bull Terrier 18 September 2018 12: 51
            +2
            Good. And what should Shoigu have to say now? Your options?
            1. Grits
              Grits 18 September 2018 12: 57
              +4
              My version? If I commanded the Russian troops, then even now the "Promised Land" would be similar to the territory before Moses arrived there.
              1. Bull Terrier
                Bull Terrier 18 September 2018 13: 03
                -1
                And the territory of Russia, in your opinion, would not look like a Martian landscape ?!
                1. Znayka
                  Znayka 18 September 2018 13: 34
                  +19
                  No, I wouldn't ... At the moment, not a single country will dare to strike a strategic nuclear attack on the territory of the Russian Federation, since a retaliatory strike (which is guaranteed) will turn this country into a lunar landscape ... They will be pressured by sanctions, they will block accounts, etc. . To the common people it is like a shot against the wall ... But the elite, yes ... Billions will "hang" on the accounts ... Therefore, NO RESPONSE ACTIONS even if, for example, Tartus is smashed, WILL NOT BE !!!
              2. Irokez
                Irokez 18 September 2018 13: 22
                +3
                Quote: Gritsa
                My version? If I commanded the Russian troops, then even now the "Promised Land" would be similar to the territory before Moses arrived there.

                It’s good that you are not the president or even the minister of defense.
                1. pilot69
                  pilot69 18 September 2018 13: 39
                  +8
                  Why not? The Israelis are very unfriendly about their losses. In any case, ordinary Israelis. Let's call them that. Now they will understand that the goyim can simply be "killed". It needs to be cut through, but the gut is thin.
            2. Dangerous
              Dangerous 18 September 2018 13: 02
              +26
              For Shoigu our anti-aircraft guns and missiles should speak, he is the Minister of Defense after all. For some reason, no one bothers the Americans and they do not have to talk nonsense about "otvetki" every time. Ukrainians seize our ships with crews - ours are wiping down, they knocked down the drying process - they still wiped them off, the Americans calmly prepare militants who are fighting against ours in Syria - zero reaction. And now, of course, what else can he say ... The USSR was never ashamed of anyone, everyone was afraid to touch it, just like the amers now. And whoever wants to kick the current one
            3. Black_Vatnik
              Black_Vatnik 18 September 2018 13: 30
              +18
              Good. And what should Shoigu have to say now? Your options?

              To declare Syria a zone exclusively (not counting the ATS) of its interests. It’s tough to say that any country whose troops are in Syria without Assad’s consent or UN mandate must leave the territory of the state, or we will send them home in zinc. It’s also tough to say that any missile, any projectile that was fired towards Syria from abroad of the state, carriers will be calculated and destroyed, wherever they are.
              And any plane whose pilot does not speak Russian or not in the Syrian dialect of the Arabic language should be shot down to such a mother. Shoot all nafig. Also, for a long time, it is necessary to make a statement at the highest level that Israel treats, teaches and equips bearded men.
              The IDF must answer for each of our compatriots. If for this it is necessary that Sarochka begin to receive her sons in tombs, so be it.
              1. mvg
                mvg 18 September 2018 13: 44
                -9
                Sarochka began to receive her sons in coffins, so be it

                Right! With their caps, their caps ... to death!
                The USSR (and not the impoverished Russia) has already tried to fight with Israel. And with the wrong hands and their own, it turned out that zinc did not come to Sarochka, but they arrived in the USSR.
                You at least look at the balance of power, there will not be enough hats.
                1. Black_Vatnik
                  Black_Vatnik 18 September 2018 13: 51
                  +5
                  Well, you can, of course, wipe the snot and continue to count the coffins of their compatriots.
                  1. mvg
                    mvg 18 September 2018 14: 51
                    +3
                    count coffins

                    Or it might be better to include brains when planning operations. Or answer the same, since you can’t get into an open fight? Hezbolloid to throw something in the end.
                    Breastfeeding on the embrasure is only fools, all the more so behind Moscow.
                    1. Black_Vatnik
                      Black_Vatnik 18 September 2018 15: 21
                      0
                      How is tough adherence to one’s interests in the region contrary to the inclusion of brains in planning an operation? Rhetorical question.
                      Nobody offers to rush to the embrasure with their breasts. All these tragic incidents would be minimized if the "partners" had even the slightest doubt that they would remain unpunished for their actions in Syria.
                      For example: how do we raise the question that Israel is arming bearded men, giving them a corridor for washing their hands in Europe, etc.? Again, the question is rhetorical.
                      1. mvg
                        mvg 18 September 2018 15: 33
                        0
                        Israel equips bearded men

                        Why do they need it? There is a 100% chance that this weapon will work against them, if not immediately, then in the short term. Jews are far from fools. Do not believe everything that they write and show. Vaughn 404 (together with tulips) shot a whole clip, about Buk, how he went to the DPR for holidays with Russia .. And about the corridors and washing, it’s best to ask Turkey, she certainly has a lot of interest in this .. at least oil I bought bearded and squeezed territory, which Jews are not noticed.
                2. shalkir
                  shalkir 18 September 2018 14: 58
                  +3
                  Well, I don’t know, I don’t know! My grandfather is a veteran, the commander of the S-125 air defense division, clicked them in Egypt, only the shell flew off! Calmed down right away! And no zinc came.
                  1. mvg
                    mvg 18 September 2018 15: 07
                    0
                    clicked them in Egypt, only the shell flew off

                    That is why Israel won that war and all subsequent and previous ones. And the air defense, that of Egypt, that of Syria, that of Iraq, that of Lebanon, that of Jordan was suppressed to zero.
                    Immediately calmed down

                    After the USSR threatened that it would openly intervene in that war when the IDF tank units were 10 km from Damascus? Did Egypt lose the Sinai? Yes Yes..
                    no zinc came

                    Did your grandfather tell you everything exactly, or, as they say, "did not tell the whole truth"?
                    1. UMA-UMA
                      UMA-UMA 18 September 2018 15: 24
                      0
                      Well, Israel is finally the coolest, yeah
                      1. mvg
                        mvg 18 September 2018 15: 28
                        -1
                        the coolest,

                        Steeper, not steeper ... Reliable fact. Try to argue .. Well, or read something about the Arab-Jewish war .. and air defense.
                    2. shalkir
                      shalkir 18 September 2018 15: 59
                      +4
                      Where did Egypt Sinai lose something? This territory of Egypt has been and remains. What are you talking about? After our in Egypt deployed the position of a new C-125 at that time and successfully beat it, then all the flights of Israeli aircraft over Egypt urgently ceased. In Egypt, no one suppressed our air defense, because our operators and commanders sat. My grandfather returned home with his division. All without a single scratch, alive and well with the highest state awards of Egypt. In the rest of the regions I can’t talk, I don’t have the exact info
                      1. mvg
                        mvg 18 September 2018 18: 11
                        -1
                        This territory of Egypt has been and remains

                        Have you read everything, or again everything from the words of your grandfather? Read anything about the 1967 Six Day War and 1973 Yom Kippur War. Yes, at least get into the wiki. Well, the Lebanese conflict of 1982, and how Israel returned this territory to Ebipt ... Maybe the grandfather will remember something else then.
                        PS: No offense, but the military grandfather, went to that "business trip" to fight, knew what he was doing.
              2. sogdy
                sogdy 18 September 2018 13: 56
                +1
                Quote: Black_Jacket
                To declare Syria a zone exclusively (not counting the ATS) of its interests. It’s tough to say that any country whose troops are in Syria without Assad’s consent or UN mandate must leave the territory of the state, or we will send them home in zinc. It’s also tough to say that any missile, any projectile that was fired towards Syria from abroad of the state, carriers will be calculated and destroyed, wherever they are.

                The first thing that a leader (especially an officer) must learn: do not give orders / orders / appeals / appeals and other that will not be executed.
                Reread yourself again.
            4. Flatter
              Flatter 18 September 2018 13: 58
              +4
              Close airspace in the area of ​​operation of the Russian air forces. Missile attacks in Syria are interpreted as an attack on Russian forces.
              Refuse deep concerns.
              1. 1976AG
                1976AG 18 September 2018 20: 50
                0
                to close the airspace is, first of all, the determination to bring down everything that can or threatens us, but our leadership didn’t demonstrate this determination, and without it you can shout as much as you like about closing the airspace, but no one will pay attention to it
            5. passerby
              passerby 18 September 2018 14: 04
              0
              He fell? So probably?
          3. den3080
            den3080 18 September 2018 13: 46
            +1


            it’s very disappointing that so many people have lost the plane, because of the headache actually.
            and blamed on Israel ... "reserves the right to answer"
            well, a shame so, to be honest.

            and the situation with Idlib, it’s clear to the hedgehog that the concepts of “putinsil” or “erdoganotzhal” are not applicable to the results of the meeting in Sochi because the Anglo-Saxons won, and strategically.
            and both! Sochi "friends" were left with a nose ... and now chestnuts from the fire will be dragged to the amers.
            Astana also took the GDP format and multiplied it by 0, in the final word after the meeting, only Geneva remained, if anyone paid attention.
            What were the “friends” scared of? - unclear.
        2. Semyonych
          Semyonych 18 September 2018 12: 38
          0
          Should Shoigu take flight safety? Will it be bold?
        3. kjhg
          kjhg 18 September 2018 12: 40
          +14
          Quote: Logall
          That bomber without cover, now a scout without any protection.
          What to expect tomorrow?

          In fairness, an operation, such as the Syrian one, is developed not by the head of the Ministry of Defense, but by the General Staff, where experienced generals work with a higher military education and combat experience.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 18 September 2018 13: 59
            0
            Quote: kjhg
            operations, such as the Syrian one, are developed not by the head of the Ministry of Defense, but by the General Staff

            Megalomania?
        4. gaura
          gaura 18 September 2018 12: 42
          +2
          Grachev was the Minister of Defense norms? Profile but
        5. figwam
          figwam 18 September 2018 12: 44
          +7
          Quote: Logall
          +12
          Here is a clear example of what happens when people are put on the post of department head without proper education ...

          I immediately recall the appointment of a land general as commander of the VKS ...
        6. New Year day
          New Year day 18 September 2018 12: 47
          +9
          Quote: Logall
          Here is a clear example of what happens when people are put on the post of department head without proper education ...

          this is called "personally betrayed ..." Professionals in power are not needed. Examples of darkness
        7. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 18 September 2018 12: 50
          +6
          Quote: Logall
          What to expect tomorrow?

          Another "knife in the back" or something else ... The losses of our aerospace forces in Syria are simply off scale, compared to other countries - 14 planes and helicopters!
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 18 September 2018 13: 30
            +1
            Actually, 18 planes and helicopters in 3 years - for comparison, in Afghanistan ten years lost 333 helicopters and 118 aircraft.
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 18 September 2018 15: 16
              +1
              It is not necessary to compare with Afghanistan, but with the losses of other participants in this theater - the USA, Israel, Turkey
        8. 1 Navigator
          1 Navigator 18 September 2018 15: 18
          0
          Forgot about the attack aircraft. PSS JANE was not alone in the area.
        9. Strelets1
          Strelets1 18 September 2018 19: 19
          0
          Quote: Logall
          Here is a clear example of what happens when people are put on the post of department head without proper education ...
          At first everything went off with a bang, but now the picture is changing. The Turks dictate their terms, Israel is doing dirty tricks, and besides everything else, we are stupidly losing people and equipment ... That is a bomber without cover, now a scout without any protection.


          Are you talking about the command of the Russian Armed Forces contingent in Syria - "... they put people without proper education ..."? Or about Shoigu? Or maybe you are hinting about someone else ...?
      4. Thrall
        Thrall 18 September 2018 12: 25
        +9
        I hope the S-300 is already loaded for Syria in Novorossiysk?
        And Shoigu? Well, Shoigu ... Resign Shoigu!
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 18 September 2018 12: 33
          +28
          Quote: Thrall
          I hope the S-300 is already loaded for Syria in Novorossiysk?

          it will not help, their trimmed rafigachat as before ... it is time for ours to DECIDE or have air defense or not !!! a couple of NATO or Jewish planes to land with a statement that they tried to attack the Russian military and everything will become quieter, but Putin and Co. will not do this ((..... and Lebed is no longer in our army ((
          1. Thrall
            Thrall 18 September 2018 12: 36
            +2
            If it doesn’t help, then why the Jews asked not to supply the S-300, but ours agreed.
            1. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 18 September 2018 12: 55
              +6
              Quote: Thrall
              +3
              If it doesn’t help, then why the Jews asked not to supply the S-300, but ours agreed.

              this is a game of thrones for the electorate ..... and no more)))
            2. Alber
              Alber 19 September 2018 17: 10
              0
              Quote: Thrall
              If it doesn’t help, then why the Jews asked not to supply the S-300, but ours agreed.

              patam shta one brethren! and those and others...
          2. ROMANO
            ROMANO 18 September 2018 12: 58
            +20
            Our bureaucrats have long "made up their minds" by storing criminal funds in Israeli banks and organizing Israeli citizenship for their offspring. There will be no response! What "eccentric" would quarrel with his benefactors?
          3. 1 Navigator
            1 Navigator 18 September 2018 15: 21
            +2
            And that Swan would have concluded another peace agreement, such as Khosovyurtovsky?
        2. kjhg
          kjhg 18 September 2018 12: 46
          +5
          Quote: Thrall
          And Shoigu? Well, Shoigu ... Resign Shoigu!

          I support. There was too much PR and window dressing from the Moscow Region.
          Quote: Thrall
          I hope the S-300 is already loaded for Syria in Novorossiysk?

          Completely closing the sky of Syria is an expensive pleasure. One S-300 is not enough. And the impending losses, in the event of a complete breakdown in relations with Israel, will be large. What to do next and why we ended up in the position we found ourselves in will be decided by competent people. My opinion is that Putin played with the Jews. The military just warned him that it was impossible to trust Israel. But Benny's friend, apparently, was more convincing than his generals.
          1. Grits
            Grits 18 September 2018 13: 01
            +14
            There was too much PR and window dressing from the Moscow Region.
            I work in a structure very closely related to the Ministry of Emergencies. So, I’ll tell you that the Ministry of Emergencies is the most ostentatious office that I knew. And he made her such a Shoigu. He safely transferred all this to the army
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 18 September 2018 14: 06
              -4
              Quote: Gritsa
              And he made her such a Shoigu.

              What time! Will you call the unit?
              And yes, before Shoigu, the Ministry of Emergencies was?
        3. NIKN
          NIKN 18 September 2018 12: 46
          +4
          Quote: Thrall
          I hope the S-300 is already loaded for Syria in Novorossiysk?
          And Shoigu? Well, Shoigu ... Resign Shoigu!

          You can think about the S-400, not to take ours back.
          And Shoigu? Maybe they will send, if the question is, either he or Putin ... sad
      5. 11 black
        11 black 18 September 2018 12: 26
        +19
        Shoigu, would admit that he messed with the command, leaving the scout without cover, now it's too late to bend your fingers.

        Just wondering - how could a cover protect him from a Syrian anti-aircraft missile?
        And the Israelis should have gone out as soon as they ended up on the territory of Syria - 15 corpses cannot be forgiven.
        Calculation of air defense under the tribunal!
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 18 September 2018 12: 34
          +5
          Quote: 11 black
          the Israelis should be gone as soon as they are in Syria

          They do not enter Syrian airspace. Syrians have the right to shoot down internationally, but do not.
          Quote: 11 black
          Calculation of air defense under the tribunal!

          The S-200 missile is self-guiding and most likely switched to IL, after losing its target.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 18 September 2018 12: 48
            +7
            Quote: Thrall
            S-200 missile homing and most likely switched to IL

            exactly in this scenario, Ukraine shot down the Tu-154 over the Black Sea
            1. Grits
              Grits 18 September 2018 13: 08
              +1
              Apparently, the Jews perfectly studied this incident and recorded it in new aviation actions.
          2. forty-eighth
            forty-eighth 18 September 2018 12: 54
            +3
            Quote: Thrall
            The S-200 missile is self-guiding and most likely switched to IL, after losing its target.

            And the air defense calculation was obliged to know and take this into account when launching missiles.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 18 September 2018 12: 38
          +14
          Quote: 11 black
          Calculation of air defense under the tribunal!

          The crew could be fired correctly at the F-16. But the 5V28V missile defense system selects a thicker target (a target with a higher RCS, from which the reflected signal is stronger, as was the case with the Tu-154 "Siberia" in 2001 over the Black Sea) and cannot be jammed with interference, because GOS - 2-channel, with a passive radio channel. It is guided even better at the emitting target. Thus, the Syrians shot down an Israeli E-2C during the war ...
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 18 September 2018 20: 29
            0
            The calculation can be shot correctly, by F-16.

            The calculation may be, but where were the other specialists? Where are the planet people who monitor the whole situation in the sky? Why didn’t you see IL-20?
            But the 5V28V missile defense system chooses a thicker target (a target with a higher RCS, from which the reflected signal is stronger, as was the case with the Tu-154 "Siberia" in 2001 over the Black Sea) and cannot be jammed with interference,

            What about the self-destruction system? If she went the wrong way, she should be eliminated, or at the signal "rudder to zero" and fly without bothering anyone. So they did not know about our plane.
            Analyzing these facts, we can say that there is no data on the current situation in the sky. Which is pretty strange, as it happened in the area of ​​our air base.
        3. vatov
          vatov 18 September 2018 12: 41
          -2
          The cover could drive the Jews away, try to shoot down the rocket ...
          1. Ross_ulair
            Ross_ulair 18 September 2018 13: 03
            +2
            Shoot what? Guns? Or close yourself? So it won’t hover - the EPR is minimal
          2. meandr51
            meandr51 18 September 2018 13: 10
            +1
            Doesn’t she have self-explosion, or what? They are blind, do not see that she grabbed another target?
            1. Lena363
              Lena363 18 September 2018 13: 27
              -1
              The head responds to a fatter target. And such was the IL-20
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            2. vatov
              vatov 18 September 2018 13: 41
              0
              Framed out so that our chance of escape was not ....
            3. Egg
              Egg 18 September 2018 14: 21
              +3
              Quote: meandr51
              Doesn’t she have self-explosion, or what? They are blind, do not see that she grabbed another target?

              There is self-explosion, but the operator must give a command to it.
              The operator does not see what target the S-200 rocket took, according to the beam reflected from the target independently determines the speed, altitude and direction of the target, calculates the "meeting point" and flies there. The route to the rendezvous point does not coincide with the direction of flight of the target, etc. not detected and not visible on a flat radar screen. Even visually, it is not possible to determine to which target the S-200 rocket is moving, the meeting point constantly changes its position and is adjusted depending on the target's maneuvers.
              The backlight station works like a regular spotlight, the beam does not have a strict shape, like a laser beam, the reflection from the IL-20 is quite capable of interrupting the power of the reflected beam from the F-16 even if it hit the very edge of the field emitted by the backlight station or into the side lobe.
              Therefore, the operator in no way, until the very end, could not determine which aircraft the S-200 missile took into the sight if they were close enough to each other. And if the F-16 fell into the radar shadow of the IL-20, then quite naturally the rocket switched to the IL-20.
              The S-200 complex is designed to repel mass attacks and is not intended for the surgical cutting of enemy targets in the mass of its aircraft and vice versa.
              1. Narak-zempo
                Narak-zempo 19 September 2018 10: 43
                0
                So what kind of a bullet did they see when they saw that not only God's chosen circumcision were in the sky?
                I would have sentenced such anti-aircraft gunners to life work on a pig farm.
              2. meandr51
                meandr51 19 September 2018 11: 41
                0
                A specialist is seen. Thanks for the clever explanation. But in this case, claims against the air defense headquarters. Having such a technique that works "by area" and by the way. hitting the target very rarely, why use it at all in such a situation? They saw our IL in dangerous proximity! All the same, the Israelis have already bombed, and the probability of getting them is minimal. The peculiarity of the S-200 to beat its own and uninvolved is well known. In general, while the air defense of Syria does more harm to its own than to other people's aircraft. If they work, it is better not to rise into the air ...
            4. Lena363
              Lena363 19 September 2018 11: 55
              0
              Self-detonation occurs only in the case of missed missiles. And then she really got it.
      6. Jolly oldster sailor
        Jolly oldster sailor 18 September 2018 12: 26
        0
        They ALL messed with all their behavior right away, starting with the story of the Turkish fighter.
      7. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 18 September 2018 12: 27
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Shoigu, would admit that he messed with the command, leaving the scout without cover, now it's too late to bend your fingers.

        They don’t cover, despite the dangers, it is a fact, but in my opinion, a cover from the anti-aircraft fire will not save.
      8. kjhg
        kjhg 18 September 2018 12: 31
        +15
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Shoigu, would admit that he messed with the command, leaving the scout without cover

        For a long time it was necessary to understand that when the Jews agreed on something with us, they already knew that under the cover of the trust that this agreement had given us, they would give us vileness at the moment when it would be most beneficial to them. This meanness suggests that everything in Israel is ready to aggravate our relations and this is not a stupid step for which they will apologize, but a deliberate escalation. This may be followed by direct attacks on our planes located near the border with Israel, following the example of how they shot down Syrian planes. I really would not want to be mistaken, but Jews always count two or three steps forward.
      9. Igoresha
        Igoresha 18 September 2018 12: 34
        -2

        Shoigu, would admit that he messed with the command, leaving the scout without cover, now it's too late to bend your fingers.
        who knows, the Syrian missile was shot down from the S-200, maybe the fighter would also be hooked
      10. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 18 September 2018 12: 37
        +8
        Well, there would be cover, so what? He wasn’t attacked by the F-16, or will the S-200 missile be intercepted at the opposite courses by cover?
      11. Proxima
        Proxima 18 September 2018 12: 41
        +13
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Shoigu, would admit that he messed with the command, leaving the scout without cover, now it's too late to bend your fingers.

        Now what to do? Again humbly accept all this? And why do not our VKS fill up a couple of Israeli aircraft? Like the Jews in the Pentateuch of Moses: "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth?"
        1. Alber
          Alber 18 September 2018 13: 06
          +6
          Quote: Proxima
          why don't our aerospace forces destroy a couple of Israeli planes? Like the Jews in the Pentateuch of Moses: "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth?"

          a dozen aircraft would be equivalent
          and about the teeth too! all front ...
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 18 September 2018 13: 14
            +4
            Quote: Alber
            a dozen aircraft would be equivalent

            It doesn’t matter, the most important thing is that the Israelis learn a lesson for the future and don’t deal with such dirty setups, although, frankly, our VKS together with the Syrian air defense managed to the fullestguys are very sorry ...
        2. Irokez
          Irokez 18 September 2018 14: 15
          0
          Quote: Proxima
          "An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth?"

          This is from the old testament, but according to the new "Hit on the left cheek, turn the right one", BUT. As always, the phrase is not fully expressed because the unsaid changes the meaning and into the hands of manipulators, and the meaning is as follows: - "Hit on the left cheek, substitute the right, but do not let yourself be hit."
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 18 September 2018 14: 34
            0
            Quote: Irokez
            "Hit on the left cheek, substitute the right one, but don't let yourself be hit."

            Grandfather said: substitute the right with a hook on the right. And he added his favorite: "And on kumpol!"
        3. meandr51
          meandr51 19 September 2018 11: 44
          0
          And lose the whole base?
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      12. aleks26
        aleks26 18 September 2018 12: 42
        +1
        What would the cover do? Shoot down an anti-aircraft missile? The electronic warfare plane could not "deflect" a rather ancient missile, strange. And so yes, we could have "extinguished" all 4 Israeli planes in response, only this had to be done immediately.
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 18 September 2018 12: 58
          +10
          Quote: aleks26
          The electronic warfare plane could not "deflect" a rather ancient missile, strange.

          It was an RER plane, not an EW.
      13. Random
        Random 18 September 2018 12: 44
        +6
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Shoigu, would admit that he messed with the command, leaving the scout without cover, now it's too late to bend your fingers.

        The crash site is 40 km from the threshold of RWY 35R, just "fits" into the "from the border" approach scheme soldier
      14. neri73-r
        neri73-r 18 September 2018 12: 45
        +5
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Shoigu, would admit that he messed with the command, leaving the scout without cover, now it's too late to bend your fingers.

        What kind of cover ???? The plane was landing, was on a glide path in international airspace! From whom to cover it? So we get to the point that it is necessary to cover also near the Kola Peninsula, and indeed all civilian aircraft of Aeroflot! hi fool
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 18 September 2018 14: 14
          +1
          Quote: neri73-r
          So we get to the point

          What to explain to trolls? They make noise, it makes no difference to them.
        2. UMA-UMA
          UMA-UMA 18 September 2018 15: 52
          -1
          Holy naivety! He is on a combat, not a commercial flight. And what glide path is 40 km in combat ?! Another sofa.
      15. lopvlad
        lopvlad 18 September 2018 12: 45
        +4
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        would admit that he cuddled with the command, leaving the scout without cover, now it's too late to bend your fingers.


        Well, this would be true if there were no agreements with Israel. So it was not a civilian side just an accident.

        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        now it's too late to bend your fingers


        no, on the contrary, once the time has come these fingers bend like the time for action.
        1. Alber
          Alber 18 September 2018 13: 08
          +1
          Quote: lopvlad
          Well, it would be fair if there were no agreements with Israel

          no agreements with Israel
          NEVER! deceitful and vile education
      16. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 18 September 2018 12: 47
        -2
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Shoigu, would admit that he messed with the command, leaving the scout without cover, now it's too late to bend your fingers.

        Cover? From whom? Are we at war with Israel? belay Now everything will depend on the answer, though ... What to expect besides the well-known concern ...
      17. Serge Gorely
        Serge Gorely 18 September 2018 12: 56
        +4
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Shoigu, would admit that he messed with the command, leaving the scout without cover, now it's too late to bend your fingers.

        Once upon him. Now the topic is important - to sew chevrons on a shirt everyday or not, the status of a regimental priest is equated to the deputy. commander or not ... This is important, but the peasant women still give birth to men.
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        1. meandr51
          meandr51 19 September 2018 11: 50
          0
          For some reason, while they "bang" us. And not only us. It seems to me. they count better and faster there. Besides, the Mossad must have moles in our headquarters and they will be aware of our intentions. We must not forget that they have 400 aircraft on alert against our 20. In this situation, with an exchange of strikes, the Russian Federation will lose all bases, Assad will lose the country, the militants will go to fight in the Krasnodar Territory. Emotions are bad counselors.
      19. Kent0001
        Kent0001 18 September 2018 15: 56
        +2
        Everyone understood that we only have show-offs instead of real actions (answers) on all issues and here is the result. Recently, our authorities have not been doing anything; everything is only getting worse. Professionalism less and less, screwing more and more ...... and this is the tendency Karl !!!
      20. Miller
        Miller 18 September 2018 18: 47
        0
        Most likely, the inconsistency of actions led to the tragedy. Russian maybe.
      21. Govorun
        Govorun 18 September 2018 19: 39
        +1
        Or maybe Shoigu is to blame for the fact that one ordinary soldier burned armored vehicles at the training ground ...
      22. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 September 2018 22: 42
        -1
        Shaigu admitted, but there is a specific culprit - this is the commander of the VKS in Syria. And you need to answer advectively.
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    3. kapitan92
      kapitan92 18 September 2018 12: 24
      +32
      Benya will fly to the Guarantor, "repent", offer money, ours will get into the situation, understand and "forgive".
      Or maybe he will give a command not to buy a carrot in Israel!
      1. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 18 September 2018 12: 29
        -2
        It is true, in order not to get into the situation once again, you need to grow your economic eggs, swiftly, but for now there is only talk on the plane that "there will be no operation" in Idlib
      2. Alber
        Alber 18 September 2018 12: 30
        0
        Quote: kapitan92
        Benya will fly to the Guarantor, "repent", offer money, ours will get into the situation, understand and "forgive".
        Or maybe he will give a command not to buy a carrot in Israel!

        parsley too ...
      3. lopvlad
        lopvlad 18 September 2018 12: 55
        +2
        Quote: kapitan92
        Benya will fly to the Guarantor, "repent", offer money, ours will get into the situation, understand and "forgive".


        maybe that’s how it would have been if it hadn’t been for the treaty with Beni which he had violated (note with Erdogan when he shot down the plane and killed one Russian pilot there wasn’t such an agreement) and more than a dozen corpses of soldiers for which Putin as commander-in-chief bears full responsibility (the military Syria approached the actions of Israeli aviation on the basis of orders from above in accordance with the agreements of Putin with Beni).
      4. mvg
        mvg 18 September 2018 13: 51
        +1
        do not buy carrots in Israel

        Radish in this context. Domestic carrot, "Made in Promised Land" radish
    4. barclay
      barclay 18 September 2018 12: 26
      +7
      I would not be surprised if it is now publicly announced that our EW and reconnaissance aircraft will now be covered by fighters. And what prevented us from thinking about this earlier?
      I think that this is the maximum that the military leadership can do, because we cannot fight in the Syrian region with everyone in a row.
      1. BVS
        BVS 18 September 2018 12: 45
        +8
        And how would fighters help from a Syrian air defense missile?
      2. lopvlad
        lopvlad 18 September 2018 13: 08
        +5
        Quote: barclay
        since we cannot fight in the Syrian region with everyone in a row.


        propose to escape from Syria leaving everything? Covering their planes with fighters in the area of ​​operation of their stationary air defense is a real stupidity. Israel's planes dropping gliding bombs in the area of ​​operation of the Russian air defense did not fill up only because there was an agreement between Putin and Natanyahu, on the basis of which the calculations of the Russian air defense were operating. not to cover every "maize" with a fighter, but to bring down everything that is within the range of the Russian air defense in Syria.

        ps, I, unfortunately, was completely sure that such a situation with Israel would certainly happen as they never observe anything. Yes, and here they did it with sophisticated meanness.
        1. barclay
          barclay 18 September 2018 13: 21
          +2
          Quote: lopvlad
          but to bring down everything that falls within the range of the Russian air defense in Syria.

          You wave a good saber, dear.
          I think that covering is not stupid. This would force the Israelis to be more careful, and even more so not to hide behind the plane, which is guarded.
          After the Su-24 was shot down, there were also many indignations, and it ended with a banal cover for all the bombers. But in a good way, it was necessary to think about it initially.
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad 18 September 2018 20: 23
            -1
            Quote: barclay
            I think that covering is not stupid. That would force the Israelis to be careful


            no, that would force Israel to seek a new way to strike, because after the incident they openly stated that they would continue to strike at targets in Tartus and Latakia.
            The answer to the force can only be a big force, or if you tail tail run.
            1. barclay
              barclay 19 September 2018 11: 16
              0
              But you don’t understand that covering is power, as you say? And, moreover, no one is going to run either.
              And in this case, it is not about stopping attacks on Syria, but about preventing incidents and provocations against our troops, that's all.
              1. lopvlad
                lopvlad 20 September 2018 04: 00
                0
                But you don’t understand that covering is power, as you say?


                covering the borders in violation of which everything without permission crossing them is destroyed instantly is a force. But leaky borders when each plane, airplane and even a bicycle requires a separate cover is a weakness.
      3. sogdy
        sogdy 18 September 2018 14: 20
        -1
        Quote: barclay
        if now it will be publicly announced that our EW and reconnaissance aircraft will now be covered by fighters.

        Is it like "visual insurance"?
        The feeling that losers are writing.
      4. meandr51
        meandr51 19 September 2018 11: 54
        0
        And the number of victims of "friendly fire" of the Syrian air defense will increase dramatically.
    5. GRF
      GRF 18 September 2018 12: 26
      +5
      Quote: Prahlad
      But there will be no action! These are all empty words!

      What's the difference to you? You still continue to be indignant anyway.
      It’s not you who steer ...
      And they rule wrong! )
    6. Fungus
      Fungus 18 September 2018 12: 27
      -5
      And if you write something then?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 18 September 2018 12: 32
        +3
        Quote: Fungus
        And if you write something then?

        And there were applicants when something was besides concerns? wink Do not mention the embargo on tomatoes! stop
        1. Fungus
          Fungus 18 September 2018 12: 36
          -5
          It's time to stop worrying
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 18 September 2018 14: 31
            +1
            Quote: Fungus
            It's time to stop worrying

            Hmm. Do you, vascheta, understand what a set of measures called "concern" is?
            This is when the subject of concern is taken for the most expensive and tender - for the wallet. Forever.
            Apparently, the truth passed you by: external wars are waged solely for profit. The only exceptions are the liberation ones (but also not without a gesheft) and those from which it is impossible to get out.

            Do you call on the Russian Federation to the last option? Well no?
    7. milling machine
      milling machine 18 September 2018 12: 33
      +3
      Quote: Prahlad
      But there will be no action! These are all empty words!

      Will agree. Ours is brewing on some sort of hut next to the Golan, they will say that there was a base with 100500 Israeli instructors. Israel will not comment.
      In the end: everyone is happy. Ours will say that it was an answer. Israel is happy because not a single Israeli was hurt.
    8. antivirus
      antivirus 18 September 2018 12: 47
      -1
      a wedge flew across the sky ...
      will fly again soon
    9. Friday
      Friday 18 September 2018 12: 49
      +10
      Quote: Prahlad
      But there will be no action! These are all empty words!

      I agree.
      Israel can safely destroy all Russian bases in Syria and kill dofig Russians, there will be nothing.
      When the Americans threw axes, the Russians were even afraid to shoot them down.
      Not able to give change, every day you will receive lyuli.
    10. demotivator
      demotivator 18 September 2018 12: 50
      +1
      Well, like that, there will be no action? What about the Foreign Ministry and Lavrov? He must express deep concern. This is such an effective measure in politics that the whole world waits with a shudder when this happens. By the way, in the morning, all TV channels vied with each other about negotiations in Erdogan, passing off the agreements signed there as a kind of large-scale breakthrough. That burst. Morning, bury the dead, and everything will go as before. No one will even pay attention to Laurel concerns, except, of course, full-time propagandists. But, they are supposed to be enthusiastic about the state, and the money, too, somehow needs to be worked out.
      1. Alber
        Alber 18 September 2018 13: 10
        0
        Quote: demotivator
        Well, like that, there will be no action? What about the Foreign Ministry and Lavrov? He must express deep concern. This is such an effective measure in politics that the whole world waits with a shudder when this happens. By the way, in the morning, all TV channels vied with each other about negotiations in Erdogan, passing off the agreements signed there as a kind of large-scale breakthrough. That burst. Morning, bury the dead, and everything will go as before. No one will even pay attention to Laurel concerns, except, of course, full-time propagandists. But, they are supposed to be enthusiastic about the state, and the money, too, somehow needs to be worked out.

        LAVROV? "Gurgle" with a couple of Zakharkina and that's it ...
    11. maai
      maai 18 September 2018 12: 51
      +6
      Pure populism. The same old and everyday one. To the templates of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs "expresses concern", "extreme concern" and so on came from the camp of the Ministry of Defense.
      Foolishness, indifference, populism, and grandmother on someone else's blood.
      This is my opinion, some frustration.

      The whole state of affairs is very well described by one phrase: "drilled through hole in the body of the spacecraft."
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    13. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 18 September 2018 13: 12
      0
      Quote: Prahlad
      But there will be no action! These are all empty words!

      Somewhere a little Erdogan cried. I wonder when there will be an attempted military coup in Israel ...
    14. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 18 September 2018 13: 37
      +3
      Su57 must be checked in battle, so that they drop the hexagons from heaven to earth, forever, so that the shalomniks get a real answer, the vile killers and scum.
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    16. Alexkorzun
      Alexkorzun 18 September 2018 13: 42
      +5
      With his toothless behavior, and literally in the style of "What do you please," in relation to insolent Jews, Putin squandered all the plus points earned by the defense of Syria in the eyes of his own people.
    17. SETTGF
      SETTGF 18 September 2018 14: 17
      +3
      Bye V.V. Putin will not remove the pile - there will be no action against Israel ...
    18. shark
      shark 18 September 2018 14: 34
      +3
      I fully agree with those who argue that there will be no "adequate response". We live in a strange time. The second most powerful country demonstrates truly "Tolstoy's" pacifism. Substitute both cheeks. We get it, inflate it and get it again. We endure humiliation from an incomprehensible territorial entity called Ukraine, we implore Europe, well, let us build Nord Stream 2 so that we can sell our gas to you at a cheap price. Nobody cares that most of Russia is not supplied with gas. This large part of Russia will not pay for foreign currency. I do not care that they merged the people's Russian spring. Apparently the uprising of the people scares our elite more than sanctions. Nonsense, that Turkey was threatened with tomatoes for the plane shot down by Turkey. And forgiven ..
      And in this case the same. Everyone will lower the brakes. 70 percent, our elite with you, pure Semites. And will they respond to the state of Israel? Do not make me laugh. The extermination of the goyim goes on as usual. And you are the answer ...
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 19 September 2018 11: 58
        0
        So what? "Pacifism" is useful. Have you not watched the Soviet film "Order: Don't Open Fire!" It is about the fact that throughout the Second World War on the border with China, our troops did not respond to the provoking fire and maneuvers of the Japanese, not paying attention to the casualties. But on August 9.08.45, 2, they immediately began a major operation and swept out all the Japanese from China in XNUMX weeks. This is the way to work.
    19. Olezhek
      Olezhek 18 September 2018 18: 41
      +1
      But there will be no action! These are all empty words!


      And let's see ... not the fact that there will not be.
      Israel is not the United States, it is not overseas, and it’s not particularly where to flee.
    20. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 18 September 2018 19: 39
      +2
      Quote: Prahlad
      But there will be no action! These are all empty words!

      Yeah, the Turks also thought so, until after the "pacification" their special forces group went to the Hurias, thanks to the Russian Aerospace Forces.
    21. Darth gazgkull
      Darth gazgkull 18 September 2018 21: 18
      -1
      Morning bloody snot, as always sad And the guys are dead! Our,! I demand from the Guarantor to deliver a nuclear strike immediately on Zionist territory! am And let the galaxy burn !!!
    22. Alexei
      Alexei 18 September 2018 22: 25
      +2
      Quote: Prahlad
      But there will be no action! These are all empty words.

      Why action? Our high command sent troops to Syria only so that gas from the east did not trap Europe through it. If gas is trampled, then Gazprom will suffer losses. No one cares about the Syrian civilians and our military. Israel is interested in the fall of Syria, because if it falls, then Western corporations will gladly invest in the collapse of Iran to take control of its resources, which will float through pipes through Iraq, Syria and the Mediterranean Sea to European countries. If this happens, Russia (under the current economic realities) will be bent, and there will be no need to fight it. The West is good, and Israel is not bad.
    23. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 19 September 2018 10: 32
      +1
      The media are already silent about the plane, as usual, no need to argue with PARTNERS ...
  2. bouncyhunter
    bouncyhunter 18 September 2018 12: 22
    +13
    Shoigu emphasized that the blame for the deaths of 15 people lies entirely with the Israeli army. He warned the head of the Israeli Ministry of Defense Avigdor Lieberman that Russia reserves the right to further adequate retaliatory action against Israel

    I really hope that words will not diverge from deeds and that "adequate response" does not mean just another concern ...
    1. maai
      maai 18 September 2018 12: 29
      +2
      Not ... not concern "will reserve the right" blah blah blah ... other populism ... and in fact 15 Russians died.
    2. NN52
      NN52 18 September 2018 12: 30
      +12
      Condolences to the families and friends of the dead ...
      And with these, with Hale Avir, it is necessary to unequivocally reckon in the sky, two with Hale Avir for one of ours, who died on Il 20 ...
      Only now they will tighten their tails and sit quietly at their airfields ...
    3. novel66
      novel66 18 September 2018 12: 33
      +7
      pasha hi blame yourself. what air to shake. try to hide behind Jewish planes, I think. what the hell comes out. stop sleeping in one boot
    4. Lelek
      Lelek 18 September 2018 12: 36
      0
      Quote: bouncyhunter
      I really hope that words will not diverge from deeds and that "adequate response" does not mean just another concern ...

      hi , Paul.
      PMO RF gives some kind of Skoda version of what happened. But certainly the death of our IL-20 with the military on the conscience of the Russian command, which did not coordinate its actions with the air defense of Syria.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 18 September 2018 14: 47
        -1
        Quote: Lelek
        PMO RF gives some kind of Skoda version of what happened.

        You are not a screen that you can make any, but give a link.
        Otherwise, it is not clear who is cheating.
    5. pvv113
      pvv113 18 September 2018 12: 44
      +5
      Everyone hopes. Yes, and with imaginary partners it's time to stop being kind and start answering with the same coin
    6. Friday
      Friday 18 September 2018 12: 57
      +2
      Quote: bouncyhunter

      I really hope that words will not diverge from deeds and that "adequate response" does not mean just another concern ...

      I remember how the Turks shot down our plane, and they sold Turkish tomatoes at the market, despite the fact that Putin introduced sanctions.
    7. bars876
      bars876 18 September 2018 13: 32
      -1
      Dreamed ... When they were ... I recall the times of the drunk already, my feet stupidly wiping about us ...
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 18 September 2018 14: 50
        +2
        Quote: bars876
        I recall the times of the wino already, our feet stupidly wiping about us ...

        They always wipe their feet about everyone. Have you just noticed? Or so in the training manual?
    8. Warrior with machine gun
      Warrior with machine gun 18 September 2018 15: 11
      +2
      it’s not sad, but they’ll disperse like ships in the sea, it’s a pity for men ...
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 18 September 2018 16: 05
        +1
        Zhenya, hello, old friend! hi
        Quote: Warrior with machine gun
        will disperse like ships in the sea, men are sorry ...

        I really do not want such a scenario, but I can’t exclude it because of well-known reasons ... But it’s a pity for men, you’re right ... soldier
        Today I laid flowers to the Eternal Flame - Memory is Immortal !!!! soldier
        1. Warrior with machine gun
          Warrior with machine gun 18 September 2018 16: 21
          +2
          good day !!!, in general, the last couple of days and their events cause some kind of twofold, unpleasant feeling
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 18 September 2018 16: 25
            +1
            Quote: Warrior with machine gun
            unpleasant feeling

            "unpleasant" you said it mildly ... I think that you have few decent words on this topic ...
  3. infantry76
    infantry76 18 September 2018 12: 22
    +46
    Deep condolences to the family, friends, colleagues of the crew members and the team of specialists of the IL-20 aircraft of the Russian Armed Forces; Eternal Memory and Glory to the Russian soldiers!
    Lord Take the souls of your servants with peace and with the Saints repose! A.
    1. SOF
      SOF 18 September 2018 12: 25
      +17
      Quote: infantry76
      Deep condolences to the family, friends, colleagues of the crew members and the team of specialists of the IL-20 aircraft of the Russian Armed Forces; Eternal Memory and Glory to the Russian soldiers!
      Lord Take the souls of your servants with peace and with the Saints repose!

      ....bright memory..........
  4. infantry76
    infantry76 18 September 2018 12: 23
    +7
    It is time for our state and military leadership to take concrete and adequate measures! And it is not clear - why are we in the SAR! Only to frighten everyone with their presence or take specific measures for those who are there illegally managing and doing whatever they want. IMHO!
    I have the honor! soldier
    1. Romka47
      Romka47 18 September 2018 12: 29
      +9
      None of ours will do anything to Israel, Shaigu said, because it is impossible to remain silent, but as for the matter ...... Yes, look the truth in the eye, they twist and beat, we are all lazy, and we are only loud statements. Where in recent years have we adequately answered someone?
      1. bars876
        bars876 18 September 2018 13: 33
        +1
        In fact, not where, just like something sickening in my soul ...
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 18 September 2018 12: 31
      +8
      Quote: infantry76
      And it is not clear - why are we in the SAR!

      We officially defend the fraternal Syrian people and urinate terrorists at distant frontiers, but not officially these are pipelines of gas and oil.
    3. maai
      maai 18 September 2018 12: 37
      0
      It's not time ...
      It’s time to start going to the polls a long time ago, rather than drinking beer from a garbage bin attached to a bench with arguments to whom and why it’s time ...

      Why are we there?
      All countries are at war there, and we - denote presence! Because so - do not fight.
      And you should learn once and for all! The strong one is not looking for friends; they themselves cling to him. Only the weak seeks friends, and parasites cling to him. To put off the larvae, take a ride at someone else's expense, suck in tomatoes, etc. etc. And if it is not public interests that are pursued there, but private economic interests, then none of the private traders will ever admit this because they need resources.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 18 September 2018 12: 51
        -1
        Quote: maai
        It's time to go to the polls long ago

        The point is ... Everyone knows why, alone you are not in the know. request

        Quote: maai
        All countries are at war there, and we - denote presence!

        Share how? No matter how close to the Russian Federation. And you can’t see around friends ...
        Quote: maai
        Only the weak seeks friends, and parasites cling to him

        It’s easier to wave the final sword with a checker. yes
    4. GRF
      GRF 18 September 2018 12: 37
      +6
      Quote: infantry76
      It is time for our state and military leadership to take concrete and adequate measures! And it is not clear - why are we in the SAR! Only to frighten everyone with their presence or take specific measures for those who are there illegally managing and doing whatever they want. IMHO!
      I have the honor! soldier

      And ours means they do nothing there? Give themselves to just kill with impunity? You do not see the result of our presence? Even your honor is not visible ...
      We do not hit for no reason, unlike the humanized cialized west.
      But when we make up our mind, no matter how bloody plop it is, it is fair, because even then, we do not abuse it ...
      So right now, peaceful Israel, you should not be afraid of us ...
      And not a peaceful Israel, it may disappear from the map ...
      1. infantry76
        infantry76 18 September 2018 16: 36
        0
        What I do there and how I do ours, I know! My indignation concerns impunity for such setups! IMHO! And do not you judge my honor, dear!
    5. Grits
      Grits 18 September 2018 14: 35
      0
      Only scare everyone with their presence
      We have been scaring nobody there for a long time. even bearded slippers
  5. Znayka
    Znayka 18 September 2018 12: 26
    +18
    What the hell is the right !!! Next time on the Israeli planes from everything that is (s-400, s-300, "Thor", "Pantsir" ...) Three or four shot down planes and that's all, no longer will stick .And we again expressed concern and left the right ... The law of the street-hit, give change, otherwise they will not respect !!!
    1. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 18 September 2018 12: 30
      +8
      Quote: Znayka
      What the devil is the right !!! Next time to scuffle Israeli planes from everything that is (s-400, s-300, "Tor", "Pantsir" ...)

      How is it possible, because the Guarantor has "excellent relations" with Netanyahu, probably he is proud of them
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 18 September 2018 12: 55
      +6
      They have already hit the Turks, the most "tomatoes".
  6. Fedoslov
    Fedoslov 18 September 2018 12: 26
    +8
    And sho? The answer is what will be expressed? Maybe our officials will refuse to go to Israeli clinics for treatment to begin with?
  7. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 18 September 2018 12: 27
    +2
    Russia reserves the right to further adequate retaliatory action against Israel.

    We hope that you will not have to wait long.
  8. faiver
    faiver 18 September 2018 12: 27
    +3
    Russia reserves the right to further adequate retaliatory action against Israel
    - one can only hope that the words do not go wrong with the deed ...
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 18 September 2018 12: 31
      +9
      And when they converged, I don’t remember something? Sorry guys! Die almost at your base. But the top "ours", as you can see, are sorry only in words.
  9. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 18 September 2018 12: 27
    +12
    Now Syrian C-200В needs to attack Israeli planes over Lebanon in order to discourage night raids and attacks on Syrian territory.
    1. malyvalv
      malyvalv 18 September 2018 12: 44
      0
      Now you need the Syrian S_300 and S-400 to shoot down everything military that takes off in Israel. Well, at least 5 pieces to start. Then you can call and talk.
      In the event of a response from Israel, the Syrian Iskanders must smash the airfields to rubble.
    2. Random
      Random 18 September 2018 12: 50
      +1
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      +7
      Now the Syrian S-200V needs to attack Israeli aircraft over Lebanon’s territory,

      good soldier In general, Assad should have long ago declared Syrian airspace a restricted area for flying all types of military aircraft of all states except Russia and declared Turkey and the United States as an aggressor, as they illegally seized Syrian lands and build bases there. This is for starters ... and then .. with all the consequences .... and so ... this ..... request
    3. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 18 September 2018 14: 16
      +2
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Now Syrian C-200В needs to attack Israeli planes over Lebanon in order to discourage night raids and attacks on Syrian territory.

      The problem is that Syria and Israel de jure are at war. And no one forbids the Syrians to bring down the Jews. Unfortunately, Israel also has the right to attack the Syrians.
  10. spektr9
    spektr9 18 September 2018 12: 28
    +11
    When there is little concern, we reserve the right to answer .... It's a shame
  11. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 18 September 2018 12: 29
    +8
    And it became kosher from these words how "scary" it became! Isn't Shoigu himself funny? "response to Israel." Israel has been shitting from under the tishka and into the open for many years. And we only have statements, then Lavrov, then Shoigu. A question to our officials: Is there a SHO with the S-300 for Syria?
    In general, we will exaggerate again, swallow again, and .... again kisses on the tonsils with Natanyaha.
    At this rate, kosher in the near future and we will grind all Hmeimim. Naturally, they will not comment on the incident, and ours, in turn, will be concerned.
  12. NordUral
    NordUral 18 September 2018 12: 30
    +3
    The friendship between Putin and K with Israel (not about the people of Israel, half of the citizens of the former Union) and with Turkey will not bring our country to good.
    1. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 18 September 2018 12: 44
      0
      Friendship is good, but it must be adequately evaluated, we have some problems with this.
  13. Prisoner
    Prisoner 18 September 2018 12: 30
    +4
    Leaves. You answer, take advantage of the right, then puff. It’s not necessary to drive the show off by telephone, but to strike.
  14. Givi_49
    Givi_49 18 September 2018 12: 31
    +1
    How did the Syrian S-200 missile shoot down a plane responding to the request "I am mine"?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 18 September 2018 12: 58
      0
      I'm not sure if the Syrians and the Aerospace Forces exchanged friend or foe codes. They never fly and bomb together. Always: either the Syrians are in the air, or the Russians.
      It’s easier for Israel, the coalition and the air forces themselves.
      1. Znayka
        Znayka 18 September 2018 13: 44
        +2
        The question is not about what your Air Force planes are doing in the airspace of an independent state ??? (See international law). Although what I am telling you .. what international law ... Do not tell me how much the territory of Israel has increased over 50 years ..?))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 18 September 2018 14: 27
          -1
          How what? They are fighting. Israel and Syria are at war.
          But even then, Israel is bombing military installations of the Islamic Republic of Iran in Syria. In recent months, Iranians have been moving their military depots, missile plants, and bases from Damascus to Latakia. Although Israel warned that it was useless: they would be destroyed anyway. These weapons are being transferred to the Hezbollah organization in Lebanon. For strikes in the cities of Israel.
          Do not want to strike Latakia - remove the Iranians from there.
          1. spektr9
            spektr9 18 September 2018 14: 31
            +1
            Do not want to strike Latakia - remove the Iranians from there.
            Eh, we would not have a corrupt pro-Western government, would respond to a similar ultimatum with a blow to Jerusalem ... But all will not be discouraged
          2. Egg
            Egg 18 September 2018 14: 42
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Israel and Syria are at war

            Based on your logic, Russia should dust Japan, not only that, we don’t have a peace treaty with them, but these narrow-eyed ones refuse to sign it angry
            Yes?
          3. Olezhek
            Olezhek 18 September 2018 19: 26
            0
            You do not want strikes on Latakia - remove the Iranians from there


            And the Israelis have a "deep strategic rear" there so that in case of something the missiles would not reach?
      2. SETTGF
        SETTGF 18 September 2018 14: 19
        0
        voyaka uh! No need to lie and assume nonsense and not only ...
  15. Ramzaj99
    Ramzaj99 18 September 2018 12: 31
    +4
    The chosen ones were completely overgrown with God ... it is time to PUNISH !!!
    1. Nikolai Petrov
      Nikolai Petrov 18 September 2018 12: 37
      +10
      Roman, what are you talking about ?! Turn on "our" TV, any channel and who will you see there? That's just it. And you: punish. Shcha-ace, they will punish us, they will rather punish us for comments.
      1. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 18 September 2018 12: 44
        +2
        If someone was kicked and he didn’t answer, then next time they will kick much harder .... 20 people are already the edge ... Behind him is only a shame ....
        1. Nikolai Petrov
          Nikolai Petrov 18 September 2018 12: 52
          +2
          Roman, for a similar reason, it seems like Churchill (even with all disrespect for him) said: If you choose shame between war and shame, you will get both war and shame.
          Our campaign chose shame. But it turns out ...... so far it is not clear what, but nothing good.
          Israel ..... this is the territory of the Kosh-Agach region of the Altai Republic! And he turns whom he wants (especially .... well, you understand), and as he wants. A-hurt you! It's a shame for Russia! About those who manage it today is a different story.
  16. Naughty
    Naughty 18 September 2018 12: 33
    +19
    Right now, our people will use their latest terrible weapon, “Concern”, “Perplexity,” and finish off with “Deep regret”! That's the whole answer
  17. lopvlad
    lopvlad 18 September 2018 12: 38
    +2
    Another evidence is that there can be no agreement with Israel, because everyone entered and shared the concerns of Israel and its interests in Syria. This is the result of the attempt to put their interests above strangers leads to the corpses of their soldiers in zinc coffins.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 18 September 2018 12: 52
      +1
      Quote: lopvlad
      0
      Another evidence that there can be no agreement with Israel

      And here it is, warmer! The myth is debunked.
    2. race
      race 18 September 2018 12: 54
      0
      Quote: lopvlad
      Here is the result of how an attempt puts their interests above strangers leads to the corpses of their soldiers in zinc coffins.

      Did you understand what you wrote?
    3. Olezhek
      Olezhek 18 September 2018 19: 24
      0
      Another proof that there can be no agreements with Israel.


      Is this a discovery for you?
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 18 September 2018 20: 27
        0
        No, I’m constantly talking about and writing about this, but the Israelis always flock to it instantly and start telling us what kind of Israel is white and fluffy and the enemies are all around.
  18. ALEX_SHTURMAN
    ALEX_SHTURMAN 18 September 2018 12: 40
    +4
    How will the pilots and other military personnel feel if there is no cover? Why are there many countries fighting in Syria, but only ours being shot down? Why do we respond to downed planes with concern and tomatoes? Why are no conclusions drawn from past attacks on uncovered aircraft?
    Too bad people! Everlasting memory! accept the Lord of thy servants to the kingdom of heaven! Forgive them all the sins! Lord, enlighten our leadership, give them the will and strength for the necessary personnel decisions both in the Moscow Region and in the government!
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 18 September 2018 19: 24
      0
      Why are many countries fighting in Syria, but only ours are being shot down?


      Because only ours are at war with terrorists.
  19. BVS
    BVS 18 September 2018 12: 41
    -19
    AND WHO HAS GIVEN THE RIGHT TO THE DEFENSE MINISTER, LET EVEN EVEN SHOULD threaten another state. This is not part of its function. He is not the Foreign Ministry, not the PARLIAMENT, and yet not the PRESIDENT.
    1. Maverick1812
      Maverick1812 18 September 2018 12: 53
      +10
      And right now it has become fashionable! A little bit ... let's go out, I'll make a juicy chop of you like that! And how to really get out, so piss ...
    2. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 18 September 2018 12: 57
      -1
      He should ask permission from you?)))
      1. BVS
        BVS 18 September 2018 13: 04
        -1
        He (Shoigu) SHOULD NOT make any foreign policy statements, there is a Foreign Ministry for this! He went beyond the powers of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation.
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 18 September 2018 13: 05
          0
          Do not worry. He is now probably so worried that he went beyond the scope of a personal conversation that he’ll even cry. Everything is for you!
          1. BVS
            BVS 18 September 2018 13: 28
            -3
            And he (Shoigu) had a PERSONAL telephone conversation with the Israeli Minister of Defense Avigdor Lieberman? That is, he called Lieberman from his cell to his cell for his personal rubles? Most likely he beguiled the coast. as previously director of the Russian Guard.
    3. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 18 September 2018 18: 02
      +1
      Quote: bvs
      And who gave the right to the Minister of Defense ...

      Correctly! It would be necessary to challenge to a duel.
  20. avia12005
    avia12005 18 September 2018 12: 42
    +15
    Nobody in the world takes our MO seriously. It is a pity that the men will not be unforgiven. The bright memory of them ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 September 2018 13: 53
      -1
      They will blame everything on chance and mistakes - everyone is to blame and the calculations of the "Dubna" air defense system, the Israeli Air Force and ours, which send large planes for reconnaissance without cover, we have no knowledge of drones for reconnaissance functions, and this is all with constant air raids and missile attacks on the territory Syria. And most likely on this Il 20 there were no electronic warfare systems, to counter missiles, ground-air and air-air, or it is, but apparently useless - in combat conditions.
    2. Grits
      Grits 18 September 2018 14: 41
      +4
      At the parades we look very beautiful. Oh, yes, they also learned how to show off some formidable exercises and all kinds of war games.
  21. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 18 September 2018 12: 42
    +4
    Russia reserves the right to answer in relation to Israel
    Unfortunately no adequate There will be no answer, we are in the wrong situation. Not militarily, we in Syria, butting with Israel can neither economic nor profitable for us, so that all the talk and end, sadly.
    And in general, in such a situation, when everyone who wants to shoot down in Syria, substitutes our planes, but we really don’t have an adequate answer, can it be good to ruin our guys there?
    1. Grits
      Grits 18 September 2018 14: 44
      +3
      not only adequate answer - there will be no no answer.
      Imagine the joy and pride of the Jews now - they say that we are such a tiny country, and with our military skills and cunning we masturbate a huge country as we want. We spit in her face, and they wipe themselves, wimps.
  22. dgonni
    dgonni 18 September 2018 12: 42
    -13
    A fly flew into your room, you ran with a fly swatter to kill it, did not notice the door jamb, esseno broke your face. the fly flew back to the neighbor's stable. The stump is clear the neighbor is guilty. Burn the crib with the house.
    1. Cobalt
      Cobalt 18 September 2018 12: 46
      +9
      Quote: dgonni
      Burn the crib with the house.

      You burned your house yourself ..... just like that without any flies ....
    2. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 18 September 2018 12: 50
      +1
      in this case, unfortunately, not a fly, but a planned action, yes, the Syrian air defense was shot down, but if the analysis of the situation shows an unambiguous setup, i.e. the deliberate actions of Israeli aviation to substitute our plane for Syrian air defense, the Jews are guilty, it’s a pity they just won’t get anything for it, they understand it perfectly and they’re impudent
    3. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 18 September 2018 12: 51
      -1
      Our military is not a fly for you!
      1. Grits
        Grits 18 September 2018 14: 46
        +1
        Our military is not a fly for you!
        But with each step, we are becoming smaller and smaller.
  23. A.Kaledin
    A.Kaledin 18 September 2018 12: 42
    0
    Is Israel supplies tomatoes to Russia! ?? Who is in the know?
    1. pl675
      pl675 18 September 2018 13: 39
      0
      Quote: A.Kaledin
      Is Israel supplies tomatoes to Russia! ?? Who is in the know?


      it is not a vegetable trade issue.
      Israel has a roof, in any situation they will be smeared and bleached.
      from the response of Russia - expressions of concern and other diplomatic experiences.
      diverge, nothing will happen.
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 18 September 2018 19: 22
        0
        They have a "difficult" border. In general, there are, there are "methods" of working with these "comrades".
        The main thing is political will and creativity.
        You can and without eproplans ...
  24. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 18 September 2018 12: 43
    +7
    ... Russia reserves the right to further adequate retaliatory action against Israel ....

    Well fse, tryndets! Israeli fruits and vegetables will be banned for import for a year, and the afflicted will not get to the Wailing Wall! belay crying
  25. maai
    maai 18 September 2018 12: 44
    +9
    Well, where are the brains of the military in the war? Where there are no analogues in the world of a friend or foe system, miracle of rep, coherence, cover, closed flight zones, radars of early detection, locators and quick, brainy people who follow all this and make operational conclusions and plan instant subsequent actions and so on?
    It seems that we are not fighting there, but indicate the presence. Strange, otherwise everyone else in that region just does what they’re fighting. Who already there did not try Russian blood. Neither power nor brains. So trust ... your commander.
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 18 September 2018 12: 55
      -7
      So please if you serve and will not suffer!
  26. pilot69
    pilot69 18 September 2018 12: 47
    +6
    Dumb as dumb. Don't you think gentlemen officers? What time will it rub off (not the leadership), Russia?
  27. keeper03
    keeper03 18 September 2018 12: 48
    +5
    History does not teach anything! Stalin had documentary agreement with Hitler about not attacking the USSR and we all know what this led to! am What could be the direct line with the aggressors ?! Kuzhugetych, maybe he’s good at scratching his tongue over the phone, eh ?! Hang up and do your direct duties !!! It’s time to bring down all the reptiles, scoundrels, bastards and other husks! They just scoff at us ... then comes my perfect mat!
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 18 September 2018 13: 14
      +2
      And what, Stalin had to attack Germany?
      1. keeper03
        keeper03 19 September 2018 11: 00
        -1
        How would you respond in a milder way ... Smart people consider historical events for the future to avoid mistakes, and stupid ones - they forget the lessons of history, or even worse, they try to completely remake it! hi
        1. meandr51
          meandr51 19 September 2018 12: 04
          0
          In addition to the "smart", there are also wise. So Stalin did everything right. Therefore, the USSR won. And even Americans do not have "wars according to plan". Although they always have geographical and material and financial overwhelming advantages.
  28. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 18 September 2018 12: 50
    +10
    Here Shoigu what a fellow. He declared not just concern, not just a protest, but a decisive protest. And left for Russia the right to answer. Jews - wait for an answer, wait for an answer. While it is customary for us to behave smartly, that is, not to accept anything in return. They will wipe our feet just like that - and just about from harm. The military is a pity. They serve the wrong country. If this happens to the Americans, little is left of Mr. Israel.
    1. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 18 September 2018 12: 54
      +8
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      Here Shoigu what a fellow. He declared not just concern, not just a protest, but a decisive protest. And left for Russia the right to answer. Jews - wait for an answer, wait for an answer. While it is customary for us to behave smartly, that is, not to accept anything in return. They will wipe our feet just like that - and just about from harm. The military is a pity. They serve the wrong country. If this happens to the Americans, little is left of Mr. Israel.

      But Shoigu is not the only thing. Citizens such as the Bull Terrier, Gribok, Sarmat Sanych and others like them threw bonnets yesterday for another KhPP (for signing with Erdogan) after which Assad was saved, Syria was saved, we won again, although it is not clear when the final one will be? Or the Defense Ministry independently decides, not President Putin, what we are doing in Syria, who are our official allies (but not officially), who are our unofficial allies (but not officially), who are our official partners (but not officially), who are our official enemies (but unofficially not). Did you understand anything? I don’t understand myself. This is me about the Syrian swamp, or if anyone wants to know about the porridge that is going on there. Participants: Syria, the Russian Federation, Iran, Militants of various affiliations (some can be destroyed, some not), or like Hezbollah (we give orders, and Israel iron), Israel, Turkey, the USA, France, and also HORENOVA LOT of any other participants. And all this under the PARTNERS sauce is when two are partners together, and if three are together, then it may well be out of this three: two are still partners, and two are already enemies. What can be guaranteed and disassembled in such an environment? The military here are powerless. The military is good when there is an unequivocal order. Well, there was an attempt to go this way: they unequivocally stated that we would bring down carriers as well. What happened next, everyone remembers? Shot down a lot? President Putin's gut is thin, everywhere he tries to pull to the last (he can resolve itself), and he will not give any clear order. And before that, everywhere, he let go of the brakes, because like a coward. And now everyone will let them down. But to transfer to the Moscow Region, tasks that are not peculiar to them, to decide who the enemy or friend is to us there, is not their task at all. Until the Kremlin decides, and he still does not decide, everything will continue until the next time.
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 18 September 2018 13: 01
        -4
        Do you look after yourself well? If my opinion differs from yours, this is not a reason to blame me for something. I don’t set others for your opinion as examples here how to defeat all the armies of the world with your sofas.
        1. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 18 September 2018 13: 12
          +5
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          Do you look after yourself well? If my opinion differs from yours, this is not a reason to blame me for something. I don’t set others for your opinion as examples here how to defeat all the armies of the world with your sofas.

          The fact is that, in your opinion, there is no reason to blame the president either, but support is not only possible, but even necessary. And always. Is this the main contradiction between us and you? So what offends you? Be consistent, support President Putin now. Or can I blame Putin, but you, who always and everywhere support him, no? And the discussion is public, everyone already knows that yesterday you sang laudatory odes of Putin's "wisdom". What has changed? I do not insult you personally. You don’t want me to remember you. Okay, apart from your comments, I will try not to touch, because of the offensive. I can't promise the rest.
          1. Bull Terrier
            Bull Terrier 18 September 2018 13: 16
            -4
            I have always done this and will do so. Your stinging posts don't bother me at all. I am loyal to power and do not hide it. Especially since I’m not going to be ashamed of it. But I don’t remember the case that I would list other people here exposing their opinion as something wrong, although I don’t like it.
            1. Leshy1975
              Leshy1975 18 September 2018 13: 25
              +2
              Quote: Bull Terrier
              I have always done this and will do so. Your stinging posts don't bother me at all. I am loyal to power and do not hide it. Especially since I’m not going to be ashamed of it. But I don’t remember the case that I would list other people here exposing their opinion as something wrong, although I don’t like it.

              Where is it written that your opinion is not correct? It is written: yesterday they threw their caps for another HPP and that yesterday you sang laudatory odes of Putin's "wisdom". Caustic? For sure. But the fact that yours is not correct, and mine is correct, I never wrote like that. You can consider mine not correct, I do not mind. (although I am sure you think so, and therefore our views on the current government are opposite). Well, they are loyal and loyal, this is very clearly visible. Or is it still embarrassing?
              1. Bull Terrier
                Bull Terrier 18 September 2018 13: 28
                -2
                I am quite able to admit her mistakes as well as to be ashamed of them. I am an ordinary person with ordinary emotions.
                1. Leshy1975
                  Leshy1975 18 September 2018 13: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: Bull Terrier
                  I am quite able to admit her mistakes as well as to be ashamed of them. I am an ordinary person with ordinary emotions.

                  Well, on this I propose and complete a personal duel. hi
  29. race
    race 18 September 2018 12: 51
    +4
    Netanyahu will fly to Moscow, regret the incident, which will be called an unfortunate coincidence, and condolences to the families of the victims. And that’s it. And he will continue to cuddle with Putin, as before.
  30. Maverick1812
    Maverick1812 18 September 2018 12: 52
    +6
    Bluff and profanity! The guys will just merge as they poured and poured ... There will be no reaction and no response! In the history of today's Russia, such examples are the norm rather than nonsense! And yes, I strongly suspect that in this way they "created a theme" ... they love our Guarantor and his Jewish lobby of the multi-move!
    PS The kingdom of heaven is for guys, but you need to bring down from Syria! This is not our war!
    1. poplar in Kiev
      poplar in Kiev 18 September 2018 13: 12
      +8
      Yes, he is a coward. And a mediocre politician.
      And it is beneficial to the West - referring to Putin to humiliate Russia
    2. pl675
      pl675 18 September 2018 13: 45
      +2
      PS The kingdom of heaven is for guys, but you need to bring down from Syria! This is not our war!

      I agree.
  31. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 18 September 2018 12: 52
    +4
    I hope that even after this tragedy, the Russian Defense Ministry will close the sky over Syria for Israel?
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 18 September 2018 12: 58
      +2
      we have absolutely no technical capabilities for this, the Jews are at home, the entire infrastructure is ground-based, everything is nearby, the aircraft have about 400 aircraft right at the border, air defense, warehouses, everything is close at hand, and we carry Turkish cargo ships to Syria a year on a teaspoon, it’s absolutely not realistic for us to butt with Israel there, and even imagine what will happen to the ruble and all Russian papers on the exchanges if we begin to butt with Israel, in short it’s not an option at all and the Jews will have nothing for it, just like the Turks It was

      and in general, even if this is really their planned setup, then it is also impossible to relieve responsibility from our warriors, where is the interaction with the Syrians? why does everyone act on their own? Syrian air defense should not launch anything without our go-ahead, or was our go-ahead? shorter than nefig all now blame the Jews
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 18 September 2018 14: 00
        -1
        If necessary, BTA will also connect 160 aircraft to deliver goods to Syria. I believe that several S 300PMU2 divisions can already be delivered without regard to Israel.
        1. _Ugene_
          _Ugene_ 18 September 2018 14: 13
          +2
          several divisions With 300PMU2 it is nothing against 400 aircraft, air defense should be layered, without serious support from aviation it is easy production, they will be bombed without entering the airspace of Syria. Will we be able to transfer at least a hundred fighters to Syria? Even if we can, for them there is absolutely no infrastructure, no airfields, no repair facilities, nothing. And without serious aviation support, at least put on the S-300, all to no avail
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 18 September 2018 14: 48
            0
            Well, probably not only C 300, but another 70 Shells, to cover them.
            1. _Ugene_
              _Ugene_ 18 September 2018 19: 12
              -1
              ground-based air defense without air defense aviation cover is doomed to defeat, and given the size of the Israeli air force, at least a hundred fighters are needed for cover, this is unrealistic, it is much easier to say that this is a "tragic accident", which is what our president did
          2. meandr51
            meandr51 19 September 2018 12: 07
            0
            I agree. We can’t fight with Israel and the USA with conventional weapons there. Only nuclear. By the way, in the days of the USSR it was the same. But then the games were more dangerous. To me
            one former pilot said that in 1956 they sat for days in Tu-16 cabins with suspended nuclear bombs. Goals - England, France, Israel. After the ultimatum of the USSR, these states withdrew their troops from Suez.
      2. Olezhek
        Olezhek 18 September 2018 19: 19
        0
        we have absolutely no technical capabilities for this, the Jews are at home, the entire infrastructure is above ground, everything is near, aviation has about 400 planes right next to the border, air defense, warehouses, everything is close by


        Have you heard about the rocket attacks on Israel?
        Do you know that Israel has many enemies in the Middle East?
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  33. Приговор
    Приговор 18 September 2018 12: 53
    +2
    Pitiful words about “adequate retaliatory actions” only say that Israel will just get away with it.
  34. pilot69
    pilot69 18 September 2018 12: 53
    +6
    And as many here on the site rejoiced, Benya does not crawl out of Russia, Benny is our coffin for life. They turned us around ... In principle, right for them. And for us?
  35. Altona
    Altona 18 September 2018 12: 55
    0
    Quote: bvs
    AND WHO HAS GIVEN THE RIGHT TO THE DEFENSE MINISTER, LET EVEN EVEN SHOULD threaten another state.

    ------------------------
    You say this in the United States, everything is threatening us there: ministers, senators, advisers, secretaries, assistant advisers and secretaries.
  36. Bull Terrier
    Bull Terrier 18 September 2018 12: 55
    -4
    Some strategists and great warriors, as usual, in VO. We reached Shoigu to resign! Bravo!
    1. Charik
      Charik 18 September 2018 13: 48
      -2
      Yes, probably Taburetkin someone better than Shoigu
  37. friend of animals
    friend of animals 18 September 2018 12: 55
    +2
    As in Ukraine and in Syria, Russia is trying to simultaneously solve its state tasks and not completely spoil relations with its "partners." It turns out so-so, it is necessary to determine the priorities.

    Emotions will subside, everything will be forgotten, as it was with a plane shot down by the Turks.
  38. Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 18 September 2018 12: 55
    +2
    Blah blah blah ... for many years in a row.
    Lousy drive yours! Together with all the CIA agents in the form of the Nabibulin Siluanovs and other obvious ones completely.

    Then pour the whole dollar that has accumulated on the market. Fast and huge portions. At the same time, to conduct a panic and to maintain an artificial decrease in its rate in the cells, although it is hardly necessary. When it begins to collapse, everything will happen by itself.
    The mass of the dollar in the Russian Federation and the CIS in general is now such that if it begins to quickly be thrown off, the whole world will stir. And instantly.
    Well, after that, the rest will begin to come to a real state.
  39. NEOZ
    NEOZ 18 September 2018 12: 57
    -10
    gentlemen! calmly!
    this is the same provocation as with SU24 ... only for more sophisticated ....
    this provocation had goals and objectives.
    perhaps the goal is to draw the Russian Federation into a big war.
    I think this provocation is not in the interests of Israel.
    and in whose?
    1. poplar in Kiev
      poplar in Kiev 18 September 2018 13: 08
      +5
      First a shame, then a war. Aren't you tired of being patient to be cheap?
      And throwing pontoons to the whole world - daggers, calibers, vanguards, armats, s-400 ......
      Already everyone thinks it's plywood shit
  40. poplar in Kiev
    poplar in Kiev 18 September 2018 12: 59
    +3
    Yes, when the military has already presented to the supreme. It’s a shame to go in uniform and be a Russian patience
    Although there Zolotov, on the proposal to become a sprat in a tomato, he gotten into trouble and disappeared.
  41. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 18 September 2018 13: 00
    +3
    Blame the Jews - to become like the states ... as we ourselves could admit, and whose fault is more ...
    will our people be held responsible, first of all, for allowing this ... again ...
    blessed memory of the fallen, by the meanness of "partners"
    and first of all, according to their own miscalculation ...

    now this is history and only an emphasis for the media in the struggle for "winning" public opinion ... the next move.
  42. poplar in Kiev
    poplar in Kiev 18 September 2018 13: 01
    +10
    Idlib pissed off, with il20 wash. Ugh, not supreme, but shame.
    Hide the current of Navalny behind bars
  43. flicker
    flicker 18 September 2018 13: 02
    +3
    It looks like it's CASUS BELLY. We have reason to declare war on Israel.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 18 September 2018 13: 20
      +1
      But there is no need. In addition, no one has declared a war for a long time ...
  44. 1536
    1536 18 September 2018 13: 03
    +1
    Even on this tragic day, there are people in our country who justify the actions of the Israeli pilots, who actually hid behind the Il-20 engines. Some are cowards (but no one expected anything else from them), while others are cowards with shit!
    1. poplar in Kiev
      poplar in Kiev 18 September 2018 13: 16
      +8
      The Israelis used a military maneuver. And they did the job. And about the cowardice say urapatrioty Zaputintsev. Now they always justify the cowardly king.
      1. 100502
        100502 18 September 2018 13: 39
        +3
        He is from their tribe.
  45. Givi_49
    Givi_49 18 September 2018 13: 03
    +6
    I don’t understand what is Israel’s fault? In that "less than a minute before the strike" of the Syrian air defense, they warned us that ours was on the headmistress? The fact that they went to their target under the cover of our Il-20? And who forbade them to enter the shadow of our Il-20? Israel showed how to carry out a combat mission: the bombs have been dropped, there are no casualties, the enemy has hit his own in turmoil. It is necessary to learn from the enemy how to fight.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 18 September 2018 13: 22
      +3
      Yes, logic and tactics are better than emotions. In a war without tricks in any way. You have to be trickier. Moreover, we are there in the minority.
    2. ghby
      ghby 18 September 2018 13: 42
      -1
      Quote: Givi_49
      I don’t understand what is Israel’s fault? In that "less than a minute before the strike" of the Syrian air defense, they warned us that ours was on the headmistress? The fact that they went to their target under the cover of our Il-20? And who forbade them to enter the shadow of our Il-20?

      Do you know what agreements were with Israel, including regarding the direct line and attacks on Syria? me not. If you know then share it. And accordingly we do not know who and what should. But the courts on all the events in Syria with Israel had certain agreements, we do not bother them, they are to us. But the northern fur animal came to these agreements, we will look at the reaction of Israel and our actions, and then draw conclusions.
      1. Givi_49
        Givi_49 18 September 2018 14: 02
        -1
        You are well aware that some kind of undercover, unofficial, "in working order", gentleman's agreements, "mutual obligations", "straight lines" and similar "agreements" are an empty matter. Hitler tore up the signed documents. This DOES NOT CHANGE politics, and a naive negotiator may lose vigilance. We were tricked. The naivety is simply amazing. Literally. Questions: who and what will the death of the 15-man crew teach? What is our policy in Syria towards Israel and NATO?
    3. Russia
      Russia 18 September 2018 13: 59
      +2
      Givi_49

      You haven’t messed up anything? Is Israel allowed to bomb a sovereign state by being smart and cunning? Or are you a constant extras when our boys die? Or do you attend air shows, paying tribute to your hobbies and only, without going into details for whom it is and why it was created? hi
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 19 September 2018 12: 15
        0
        Yes, they are allowed. But we are not allowed to bomb Israel. You got it right. The Russian Federation is technically and politically unable to do this. And it does not depend on the government. These are the circumstances and the alignment of forces.
    4. megadeth
      megadeth 18 September 2018 15: 22
      0
      The fact that she warned the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation only a minute before the attack on Latakia ..
  46. poplar in Kiev
    poplar in Kiev 18 September 2018 13: 04
    +17
    Let Zolotov challenge Netanyahu to the ring. Shoigu can't cope alone
  47. New Year day
    New Year day 18 September 2018 13: 04
    +4
    legal question - is it possible to present legally sound claims against Israel? If not, then all that is said is only emotions
  48. Million
    Million 18 September 2018 13: 04
    +2
    They won’t do anything to the Jews. Unless they bargain a bit
  49. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 18 September 2018 13: 05
    +11
    Technically, it was like that. The Israelis lined up in front of our plane and hit us with rockets. Called a rocket launch by itself. And seeing the launch of the rocket on their own, they gave "gas" and left FOR OUR AIRCRAFT! We hid behind him. They caused the hijacking of our plane by a rocket ... And here is the result. Military cunning? During the war - yes, but we are at war with Israel? Then FISH ...
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 18 September 2018 13: 27
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Then CATCH ...

      those. nothing to present?
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 18 September 2018 13: 28
      -2
      They had to honestly wait until they smash them? Do not take them for fools. Fools are just anti-aircraft gunners and our command, which failed to establish interaction. And this is not an exception, but the system. That was the case during all the wars with Israel. Jews have always been hiding and hiding and will always do so. It is useless to wait for another from them. To attack Israel with Khmeinim is stupid, the ratio of forces is 1: 20 in their favor. We can only cover with nuclear missiles. There are people who are for it?
      1. kirillovleva
        kirillovleva 18 September 2018 13: 40
        +2
        There are, and I am thinking a lot, especially among Arabs and non-Jews.
        1. meandr51
          meandr51 19 September 2018 12: 17
          0
          Well, even if they cover, if there is and do not mind yourself.
  50. poplar in Kiev
    poplar in Kiev 18 September 2018 13: 06
    +7
    Vovka expressed condolences to the relatives of the victims. Yes, relatives should spit in his snout for cowardice
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 18 September 2018 13: 31
      -6
      "Courage" will lead to the elimination of the Khmeinim base and even more casualties. The Jews have 400 planes there and a bunch of ballistic missiles. The result will not be in our favor. Why not put things in order at the headquarters and in the anti-aircraft forces instead?
      1. kirillovleva
        kirillovleva 18 September 2018 13: 38
        +1
        A rocket for Israel needs 1, but a nuclear one. The state of one blow - the territory as a peripheral region of not the largest subject of the Russian Federation.
        1. meandr51
          meandr51 18 September 2018 13: 47
          -1
          One is not enough. Nuclear weapons are not as scary as they are painted. To cover all their airfields and missile bases, you need to send a dozen two warheads. And wait for a retaliatory nuclear strike against Syria and the Russian Federation from their submarines.
    2. Charik
      Charik 18 September 2018 13: 52
      +3
      ha for Kursk spit a lot