Hot August 2008

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... It was necessary to see with my own eyes.
The air rang from the roar of the motors, the roll call of short teams and constant, unstoppable movement of equipment and people. A lieutenant paratrooper, busy checking a BMD platoon for the march, answered a question from a military journalist, and chopped up his look was so expressive that there were no more questions.
The lieutenant's eyes were cold and focused, the movements accurate and calculating. All that he had been taught for years, was to spill out in a few hours with quick and competent decisions, skill, and commander's will. His subordinates, already ranked in the battle calculation, waited for the general team and, it was felt, experienced a strange impatience. Not a single smile, not a single extra word.
There, in the south, behind a road winding between ancient watchtowers, behind a narrow mountain range pass, an alien and hostile force ironed with fire and tanks peaceful city.



And there was an unequal battle OUR ...
Then there was a long journey through the loops of a mountain serpentine, the twilight of a concrete tunnel filled with exhausts and an amplified roar of reflected sound of engines. When the tunnel was over, the sun and sky splashed into the faces and eyes with such light, so warm that the possibility of a battle seemed incredible ...
And then - charred Tskhinval, long before the entrance to it met Russian armored columns with smoking ruins of houses and cafes along the highway. "Jewish" two-storey quarter, demolished by volleys to the basement of the basements. Destroyed schools, kindergartens, nurseries, libraries, "Khrushchev" with burned out windows. Molten armor on the asphalt burned to ashes, torn down by the tank towers, the basement of the local hospital where operations were carried out and rescued people, resembling ...
There simply were no words ...
But they were with others. Those who have decided on this. There were many words, as always. These words of their indignation, protest, persuaded, turning to screeching and hysterical. In comfortable halls, television studios and offices, they threatened, expressed condolences to unknown sufferers, with the effort of imagination suddenly and massively changed their nationality and, possibly, sexual orientation ...
And the BMD, tanks, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, smoking diesel fuel in diesel engines, were torn forward, to the south. Slowly but inevitably embracing the tortured Tskhinval, and biting into the streets of raped Ossetian villages.

In those days and hours everything seemed slow.
... Then you could see those who just came back.
Out of battle, to be exact.
Yes, what kind of heroes?! ..
With such a boyish expression, they looked at the world that smelled so beautifully in flowers, buzzed with bees and deafened with silence, as if they had seen everything for the first time. All of them, officers and soldiers, among themselves at those moments passed on to "you." And the continuing appeal "commander" sounded from this completely different, recalling the negotiations of regular flight crews.
... Senior Lieutenant Alexander, the commander of a company of peacekeepers from Tskhinval, reluctantly, with an embarrassed smile, answered questions. Long thought before answering. He did not understand why such attention was suddenly given to him. After all, he - like everyone else. I looked at the glass lens of the camcorder in surprise.
What kind of heroism is there? Worked.
At the second hour of the battle, I felt a blow to the thigh, did not pay much attention, it was not before. Then he commanded and fought for three more days.
And only when the long-awaited help had already come, he noticed that the leg became numb and it became difficult to walk.
In the thigh was an automatic bullet.
On the way to the hospital on the outskirts of Tskhinval, an old Georgian man wounded by fragments of “Grad” was picked up. Army sanitary "loaf" together all. The old man turned out only forty years old. When they bandaged and made an anesthetic injection, he no longer moaned, only looked strangely at the wounded soldier, who thrust his last pack of cigarettes with a box of matches into his palm ...

And because all this had to see with my own eyes.
To understand.
What we do not throw.
Anyone.
Whatever everyone says there is alien to us, NOT OUR.
Under the hot sun, black corpses on the road from Tskhinval to Gori swelled to an unbelievable size, getting out of their ragged American uniforms. The sweeping BETRs heaved up the dust, scattering swarms of flies with a hot wind.
No glory, no ranks, just a dusty curb ...
Was their business worth this?! ..
... Then there were a lot of words. More than usually. Alien, angry, frenzied.
Surprised by Western correspondents of some of the Bi-Bi-Sisek at the temple in Gori, the Russian military leaders and officers accompanying them weapons. Igor Konashenkov, shifting the AKSU with his bandaged hands behind his back, carefully examined the motley crowd of local residents, who received two loaves of white bread at the store in one hand, and explained something to our fighter behind the wheel.

They greeted the foreigners, introduced themselves, shaking their outstretched hands.
- What do you want to watch here? We have armor, escort. Let's go with us to Tskhinval, you will see the city with your own eyes ...
Polka, German and American.
They looked at each other quickly.
Cute Polish blonde strenuously shook her empty head:
- Know, know! We and Don Mast ...
Your mother, Western journalism. And she knows Russian, a bitch, it was noticeable how she listened to our conversation and in a low voice translated to her colleagues. "Should not"! Even as you should ...
Stalin in the central square of his native city is looking somewhere in the direction of the West thoughtfully and sadly. Yes, Joseph Vissarionovich, you can see for yourself what Western education free from your motherland brings your descendants to. Such are simple solutions to complex problems. And it is you who are such that they call a bloodsucker and a cannibal ...
Behind the square is our extreme post, deploying a pair of BeeMPeshek wedge. Then - everything, we have no progress. Somewhere there, at the base of the mountains visible not far away, afrosakovsk nedobitki crawling, perhaps still holding our infantrymen on the sights.

... Again, Tskhinval, local self-defense fighters on one of the streets, not far from the burned down ground, the first night of the school bus. So different among themselves, serious muzhichischi and very young lads. After the battle, they, too, all on an equal footing. The warlords, exhausted by the heat, were called to a preserved courtyard, cooked meat was smoking on the dish, bread from the oven ...
- Are you from Moscow, guys? Come in, eat, weap on a little ...
Breath something old and native of this bass southern talk.
Suhpay, taken in a hurry from home, long eaten. Homemade wine and food after all the windings gave strength. But we must go further, a few more points to work out before sunset. Barely escaped after the "chopping" of the fifth glass. Mature men accompany us and look like relatives ...

Their. Our.
And not figs here to invent about the "right" and "wrong" nations.
Bullets and missiles do not choose the target. Only those who prepare them choose. Not the people start a war.
People, dogs and cats, at once left without houses and relatives, walk lost along the ashes and look at us blankly. Clenching teeth, remove. This is a must see.
Granny lost all her. House destroyed to the ground. Where to look for someone - does not know. Children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren. I came running from the village, only explosions and shooting had subsided. Two days walks around the neighborhood, asking questions.
- What is your name?
- Grandma ...
- So the name is ?! Granny?..
- Yes, that's the name ...
They took to the MCHSovtsam probably help ...
... We barely had time to finish the work, the rapidly piling up southern night pulls us up to the improvised camp of the Russian media, near the Tskhinvali hospital.

Local residents, by mutual agreement with the services of the Ministry of Defense, brought drinks and some food. Army cuisine feeds buckwheat. One huge happiness at all in the form of camp cuisine. Cooks do not refuse to supplement. Hot sweet tea from the boiler improves well-being. Someone of the most venerable military commanders got a can of local light wine for those not participating in night shooting. Late in between straight lines news On the background of a burned-down hospital, colleagues from all Russian television channels exchange impressions and information, gaining strength for tomorrow. Even the guitar came from somewhere. Life is shameless.

Tired of impressions and travels, well past midnight, everyone is slowly beginning to crawl under the shed-tents, where army canvas stretchers are lined up. To bury one's face in a hard tarp over a cheek and fall asleep - who would believe if you tell them that this is a supreme pleasure? ..
No dreams.

Dreams will come later, much later.
Strengthening everything that they were able to see and remember, with new, unexpected details, which in a hurry did not have time to pay attention to.
And the level of understanding of what was happening then, and how it happened, will grow much later.
Although the main thing was in those days and nights it is clear to everyone without any words, who so love to freely pronounce outside and within our national borders alien to all human beings.
And when the first sounds of the orchestra conducted by Gergiev over the war-torn streets sounded, it was much louder than all the volleys.
And weightier than any high words.

It was no longer a shame to live ...
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  1. Sarus
    +105
    24 May 2012 09: 21
    I am not ashamed of this page in the history of my country.
    I am proud that my country did not begin to chat and slander the aggression but responded quite adequately and deservedly
    1. +69
      24 May 2012 09: 34
      Quote: Sarus
      I am not ashamed of this page in the history of my country.

      True said!
      I would also add that this weighty dentition to the aggressor has practically returned to Russia the status of a great power in the eyes of many people.
      1. +41
        24 May 2012 10: 10
        almost returned

        Did we really lose it? Even those who do not like Russia cannot challenge this status
        1. +21
          24 May 2012 19: 10
          Hleb,
          Yes, some Brzezinski and Co., have long considered us a second-class country, a raw materials appendage.
          And some "our" (And are we really ours?) Officials eagerly eager to fulfill their wishes.
        2. +11
          25 May 2012 20: 51
          Russia has always been, is and will be a Great Power. And no matter how the leech suction cups wriggled to her, she always emerges victorious.
    2. +20
      24 May 2012 10: 57
      Quote: Sarus
      I am not ashamed of this page in the history of my country.


      and I am ashamed of the moment when the brigade commander moved the units without military guard and the convoy ambushed ... and ashamed of the fact that 4 out of 6 of our attack aircraft were shot down by their own monkeys with MANPADS ...
      1. Eugene
        +12
        24 May 2012 11: 10
        but to lose the Tu-22M3 is not a shame, for me it’s all ... no words ..
        1. oiuy
          -77
          24 May 2012 11: 37
          Only for some reason the whole world did not recognize the independence of "Abkhazia" and "South Ossetia"! Strange, but why?
          Maybe they are all crazy? lol
          You better ask: what did Tu - 22m3 do in the sky over tiny Georgia?
          1. +46
            24 May 2012 12: 14
            Quote: oiuy
            but what did Tu - 22m3 do in the sky over tiny Georgia?

            About the same as the F-117 over Serbia.
            1. VAF
              VAF
              +5
              24 May 2012 15: 38
              Quote: Dmitriy69
              the same as the F-117 over Serbia.


              Generally not compatible "weight" and "other" categories!
              1. +3
                25 May 2012 03: 30
                Dear veteran.air force,
                in our mass media, it seems, it slipped: 22 in general at the intelligence mission ...
                1. VAF
                  VAF
                  +3
                  25 May 2012 11: 55
                  Quote: Bear52
                  in our mass media, it seems, it slipped: 22 in general at the intelligence mission ...


                  Well, yes ... it was and ... not only that ....!

                  It's good that they figured out not to report that the Tu-22M3 "accidentally flew past" !!!
                  1. a_lex
                    +6
                    25 May 2012 19: 16
                    If he was going to do what you are trying to hint about, he would not even have to approach this "small but proud country" ... And it is not the guys' fault that the stupid ki sent them under the fire of enemy air defense, otherwise they sent people I can’t name people for certain death ... So "Veteran NESACHOT"
                    1. VAF
                      VAF
                      +3
                      27 May 2012 13: 36
                      Quote: a_lex
                      what are you trying to hint about


                      I never hint, but say what I have!

                      Quote: a_lex
                      If he was going to do


                      There is no such thing in aviation "was going to do" there is a combat mission and a combat order and it must be carried out !!!

                      But who gives SUCH orders and puts SUCH B / W-it is necessary, at least with a bang, "kick out" from the command posts !!!
          2. +15
            24 May 2012 12: 18
            They write, "the whole world", what will the American uncle say ..... suddenly he will see the lack of democracy in the country and he will drop the troops .... or he won’t give money ......... they are written, just like in the nursery garden.
            The Russian aircraft performed the combat mission to destroy the aggressor ........
            1. VAF
              VAF
              +11
              24 May 2012 15: 44
              Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
              The Russian plane performed a combat mission to destroy the aggressor


              Teretically yes, +! But practically ..... "Poke around" without carrying out any types and methods of reconnaissance and before reconnaissance (radar, radio, etc.), without "opening" the enemy's air defense, without cover with electronic warfare (what is on the 22nd of the individual and group funds of the ATP, APP and PPI, this is the stone age !!!)

              And in addition at high altitude ????
          3. +16
            24 May 2012 12: 40
            Quote: oiuy
            Only for some reason the whole world did not recognize the independence of "Abkhazia" and "South Ossetia"! Strange, but why is it? Maybe they are all crazy?

            They are not crazy. There was no team from the USA
            1. urik
              0
              27 May 2012 19: 47
              +1500 totally agree with you
          4. +7
            24 May 2012 12: 52
            Georgian military clowns drenched
          5. Dimitrxnumx
            +6
            24 May 2012 14: 39
            Quote: oiuy
            Only for some reason the whole world did not recognize the independence of "Abkhazia" and "South Ossetia"! Strange, but why is it? Maybe they are all crazy?

            Maybe just recognized. But instead of the people they broadcast media paid for that, what they will be told. Time will tell who was wrong, as we say: Spring will show who and where in the winter shit.
          6. +13
            24 May 2012 14: 50
            Quote: oiuy
            Only for some reason the whole world did not recognize the independence of "Abkhazia" and "South Ossetia"!

            Who do you call "the whole world"? American executioners with their jackals? Isn't there a lot of honor for these fathers? Amer, if it is beneficial for them at the moment, will stand in the zoo in front of a cage with an elephant, take a picture of him and not recognize his (elephant's) existence. And the Yankovsky jackals have not had independence for a very long time - they are slaves of the United States fool
          7. beard999
            +13
            24 May 2012 15: 15
            Quote: oiuy
            for some reason, the whole world did not recognize the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia

            So what? For Abkhazians and Ossetians, today, the most important thing is that Russia recognized their independence. It is she who acts as the guarantor of their independence. What other country in the world could give such guarantees by spitting on the “objections” of the USA and its satellites? Abkhazia and South Ossetia have real independence, with which Georgia and its western masters cannot do anything. So they only have to console themselves with the slogans "that the whole world has not recognized." Nothing else remains. And believe it or not, but the Abkhazians and Ossetians, these podkoryrki, absolutely do not give a damn. For them, the main thing has already happened - their independence is recognized by Russia. Everything else is acquired ...
          8. +10
            24 May 2012 15: 40
            Quote: oiuy
            Only for some reason the whole world did not recognize the independence of "Abkhazia" and "South Ossetia"! Strange, but why?

            Yes, because if Georgia had recaptured them, it would have joined NATO, and then Russia would have had problems on the border in the form of NATO formations. The world you mentioned wants this, secretly dreaming of profit from the fragments of Russia. Didn't you know that? You asked such a stupid question that I don’t even know ... Now it’s not the 90s, so in politics with Russia you have to be extremely careful.
          9. BAT
            +8
            24 May 2012 16: 01
            oilue What is the whole world? Yes, we wanted to shit on your head and your whole world. You are all pro-American litters. As they decide overseas, so your decaying "civilized world" acts. You have recognized the independence of Kosovo. Because so the amers needed it. And we recognized the independence of Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Transnistria. And we don’t care your opinion.
          10. +10
            24 May 2012 16: 39
            Quote: oiuy
            Only for some reason the whole world did not recognize the independence of "Abkhazia" and "South Ossetia"! Strange, but why is it? Maybe they are all crazy?


            Well, they didn’t recognize it, and WHAT has changed from this? .... for Russia in parallel, how many countries have recognized Abkhazia and South Ossetia ... the main thing is that they achieved their goals ...
          11. btsypulin
            +3
            24 May 2012 16: 46
            Yes, for that they recognized Kosovo .............
          12. Cadet787
            +8
            24 May 2012 17: 18
            oiuy.
            "Only for some reason the whole world did not recognize the independence of" Abkhazia "and" South Ossetia "

            Whom did you mean, under the name "the whole world", American goblins and their lysopopes in the form of an enlightened Europe. And "tiny Georgia" should be remembered when she takes out her atrophied tip, to whom she instructs him. One thing is a pity that Mishiko was not hanged by his legs in Tbilisi.
            1. 0
              9 June 2012 18: 20
              You can have a different attitude to Putin .... but he has one very good trait - he really does not like unfulfilled promises. A matter of time, dear ... hang, be sure to hang.
          13. +8
            24 May 2012 17: 49
            You seem to be from a bulk oral operetta. So I will tell you this, next time we will send your Georgian clown a set of ties and Iskander. With home delivery ....
          14. Dimon Lviv
            +14
            25 May 2012 00: 34
            The whole world fell on tiny Libya to make it better there. Libya is now a branch of hell on earth. Not least thanks to "the whole world". Why would Russia listen to these coves, this "whole world"?

            It’s a pity until you put a minus ...
            1. urik
              +1
              27 May 2012 19: 54
              happy that a lot of Ukrainian users)
          15. Fox 070
            +2
            25 May 2012 06: 41
            Quote: oiuy
            Only for some reason the whole world did not recognize the independence of "Abkhazia" and "South Ossetia.

            If you still do not understand, then I will try to answer more simply: I do not care about the whole world. We have our own head on our shoulders, unlike this world.
            Quote: oiuy
            what did Tu - 22m3 do in the sky above tiny Georgia?

            This "tiny Georgia" tried to completely destroy the even smaller South Ossetia and I regret that Tu-95s did not appear in the sky above it (Georgia) in full force and with full ammunition.
          16. Che
            Che
            +1
            25 May 2012 07: 43
            oiuy,
            After all, we can call this fraternity to justice. To water the western riffraff in toilets. wassat
            1. Docker76
              +3
              26 May 2012 02: 08
              Quote: Che
              Wet western riffraff in toilets


              ... from the beginning, we must deal with homegrown, sort out .. !!
              angry angry angry
          17. +2
            25 May 2012 13: 40
            Quote: oiuy
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          18. +2
            26 May 2012 00: 35
            your world did not recognize - because it is afraid to answer for crimes. and you will have a new renberg.
          19. zelenchenkov.petr1
            +4
            27 May 2012 09: 14
            Dear, do not pretend to be an IRON, oh ... not worth it !!!
            Americans, Bicho, Americans, but not the whole world !!!
            Amers not only didn’t read the history of the Caucasus, but they don’t want to remember either - it’s not in their interests, AS IT IS IN YOURS. see !!!
            REMEMBER, Abkhazia, like Adjara, united on a CONFEDERATIVE basis at the request of Georgia, helped the bleeding Georgia to DEFEND its INDEPENDENCE !!!
            With South Ossetia - remember your PRIDE, Queen Tamara - she was an Ossetian !!! with all the ensuing consequences ....
            . "... business over tiny Georgia ...?" The so-called nowadays Georgia is the general-province of the Russian Empire according to the Georgievsky treatise !!! There was not even a trace of patronage; IT WAS YOUR DECISION !!!
            TU flew over the territory of the Russian Empire, BICHO !!!!
            SOMETHING WITH YOUR MEMORY BECAME? SCLEROSIS. GO, from old age ...
            "Once a Russian general was driving through Tiflis and he was singing a Georgian song in Mingrelian!" - how much has been said here about your acne ... unreasonable, except arrogance !!!
          20. SASCHAmIXEEW
            0
            6 June 2012 15: 27
            he still admits, but when our peacekeepers are killed there under the UN mandate, you want a clear sky over Georgia, you won’t wait, thank you for not destroying Tbilisi
        2. +3
          24 May 2012 12: 00
          To judge the downed planes in this way, you need to know thoroughly who shot down, under what conditions, how many shot down !!! For example, I saw a report on TV explaining that the TU 22M3 had, for some unknown reason, dropped to a height, where Georgia’s air defense could get it; if it hadn’t dropped, they wouldn’t be shot down as well as two more missile carriers that were traveling with it! Is this true, who knows .............?
          1. Hans grohman
            +7
            24 May 2012 12: 35
            Strong! Thanks to the author.

            "Is this true, who knows .............?" Shot down due to the failure of the electronic warfare equipment on the TU-shke.
            1. VAF
              VAF
              +7
              24 May 2012 15: 54
              Quote: Hans Grohman
              Strong! Thanks to the author.


              The author is only +! And respect, from the bottom of my heart !!!


              Quote: Hans Grohman
              Shot down due to electronic equipment failure


              Fairy tales, excuses for those who "planned" this "shooting gallery". it was like a trap shooting range !!! am
          2. +3
            24 May 2012 14: 58
            And one should know this very truth. But who will tell you that?
            1. VAF
              VAF
              +5
              24 May 2012 15: 55
              Quote: wbigfire
              And one should know this very truth.


              What would Taburetkin and the General Staff admit to their "woodenness" ???
          3. VAF
            VAF
            +6
            24 May 2012 21: 52
            Quote: neri73-r
            For example, I saw a report on television explaining that the TU 22M3 for some reason fell to a height where it could get Georgian air defense


            Well, the girls on TV also can not tell!

            Think for yourself what altitude the Buk’s goals reached and at what altitude did the Tu-22s go? And everything will become clear!

            And I heard the same thing on TV that I went beyond the corridor, which ensured a safe flight (who was interested in it and by what means ???), and therefore came under fire from an air defense system, after which we shot down ourselves, then. that he went into the sea and fell there, and therefore the naval clash occurred due to the crew rescuing, etc. etc.!!!

            So that's it .... crap is complete!

            But at the same time, no one remembers, except lorvig, or does not want to remember that the GSH and VKG showed themselves as ..... well, you can’t say without a mat ..... am

            And honestly I don’t want to tell me .....
            1. ICT
              +6
              25 May 2012 07: 37
              Quote: veteran.air force

              But at the same time, no one remembers, except lorvig, or does not want to remember that the GSH and VKG showed themselves as ..... well, you can’t say without a mat .....

              totally agree
              I, in my circle, also say the phrase "I have a feeling that in the Academy of the General Staff, apart from Suvorov's dictum," the bullet is a fool, the bayonet is great "" they don't study anything else.
              1. VAF
                VAF
                +4
                25 May 2012 12: 00
                Quote: TIT
                at the academy of general education


                I agree, +! but before the "reform" and "tandem management" they taught there as it should, but now ..... and now there are many normal generals and commanders, but ... in the army there is one-man command and an order ... which must be carried out tochno.bezprikoslovno and on time .... but who gives "these orders" to me you do not need to explain! bully
        3. VAF
          VAF
          +9
          24 May 2012 15: 37
          Quote: Eugene
          and losing the Tu-22M3 is not a shame


          It’s not just shameful, but criminal for those who planned aviation combat operations and interacted with ground forces groups! +!
      2. 0
        27 May 2012 16: 53
        This is always a special confusion and action, accompanying such a small event as the beginning of massive hostilities. To the same Americans, during the "Desert Storm" quite significant losses were incurred as a result of the so-called. "friendly fire"
      3. 0
        30 May 2012 12: 34
        But on ,, P.Z.R.K. ,, system ,, Friend or foe ,, no? Against monkeys? Or can our monkeys all? Or ,, P.Z.R.K. ,, such? Or all the same, not with MANPADS aircraft were shot down? Or how?
    3. +8
      24 May 2012 13: 01
      Quote: Sarus
      I am proud that my country did not begin to chat and slander the aggression but responded quite adequately and deservedly

      Yes, more often you have to do this.
      1. 755962
        +14
        24 May 2012 19: 28
        "Saakashvili should be grateful to me that at some point I just stopped the troops, and they did not reach Tbilisi in 2008"Medvedev D.A.
        1. 0
          25 May 2012 06: 47
          the most interesting thing that preceded this replica

          -Dmitry Anatolyevich, ... the question that is asked, excuse me, is all our colleagues: who called whom, are you Vladimir Vladimirovich in Beijing or is he from Beijing? How did you agree with the prime minister?

          -D. Medvedev: You know honestly say nobody called anyone. We contacted him after a day.

          -After a day?

          D. Medvedev: A day later. I have already given all orders. Everything was already blazing there. Vladimir Vladimirovich simply made a statement that we categorically do not accept this, of course, he did the right thing.
          ( "did everything right"))
        2. Che
          Che
          +6
          25 May 2012 07: 53
          755962,
          He stopped in vain, the amers would not have stopped in such a situation.
          1. Sergh
            +7
            26 May 2012 02: 43
            Somehow half a year ago I read the Pentagon's report on the alignment of forces in military operations in relation to the number of attacking troops to the defending Kosovo, Iraq, Georgia, etc., so there were laid out reasonable data to the Russian troops, the link of course is no longer I will find it, only from memory, so that's what the amerovskie soldiers write: "... but this does not apply to the Russians, the offensive proportions of 5 to 1 are not comparable, since they can attack with a very small number of personnel and there is a high probability to win any battle !!! "
            Note, this applies only to the Russian troops, not a word about others!
            1. 0
              18 June 2012 17: 11
              SerghGive a link to the report, interestingly!
    4. +4
      26 May 2012 10: 49
      It was necessary to get to Tbilisi and Saakashvili, for what was done, put in! ON STAKE!!!
    5. CHIM SMOKE
      0
      30 May 2012 17: 11
      GREAT RUSSIA - GREAT HISTORY !!!!
  2. sahha
    +15
    24 May 2012 09: 26
    This should be written, thanks!
  3. +7
    24 May 2012 09: 31
    And we won’t leave here until the bullets whistle over our heads ...
  4. islandpan
    +16
    24 May 2012 09: 38
    Good article! -Because all this had to be seen with my own eyes.
    To understand.
    What we do not throw.
    Anyone.
    Whatever everyone says there is alien to us, NOT OUR.
  5. +9
    24 May 2012 09: 44
    Strongly written!
  6. +12
    24 May 2012 09: 51
    Thanks to you, Vitaliy Roslyakov.
  7. CC-18a
    +10
    24 May 2012 09: 56
    a hundred pluses to you author
  8. +19
    24 May 2012 10: 02
    And whatever they say about the bear, that he wasted his time, that he hasn't done a damn thing in 4 years, that the stool is held in high esteem, but ... thanks. that he was not afraid and gave the go-ahead. But there was no need to stop, they would have finished off, and on horseback, from above, they would have said to Gandolize: - "Fuck you!"
    1. Che
      Che
      +2
      25 May 2012 07: 55
      almost demobilization,
      Plus, so these creatures need it. Well, why did they stop it?
  9. BAT
    +28
    24 May 2012 10: 05
    Yes, for many of the unbelievable State Department sixes, August 2008 was a sobering shower. Many could not believe it. what happened ... Many people hoped that amers would sign for Saakaku. But the amers did not dare. It is a dumb thing to fight with Russian "savages". Bomb Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, occupy little Grenada - yes. But to fight with an equal enemy, even with a numerical superiority and modern weapons, is weak. The intestine is thin. So they then poured Saakaku ... One thing I regret, that then the GDP and the LADIES did not bring the matter to the end. It was necessary to take Tbilisi, catch the local Fuhrer, judge, and hang. I am more than sure that amers would have taken it too. Would be outraged a little and calm down.
    1. +13
      24 May 2012 10: 20
      Respect! And the same opinion. drinks
    2. Redpartyzan
      +19
      24 May 2012 10: 44
      A very low bow is written to the author. And in that August, we did not dare to take Tbilisi and the amers did not dare to provide military support to Sahak. Well, it means that they are not omnipotent and doing what they want is not always possible. Learning slowly, learning, we thought, and vetoed a resolution on Syria. And then great America could not do anything. Learning slowly learning, wait for the next step America.
    3. VAF
      VAF
      +12
      24 May 2012 15: 48
      Quote: sichevik
      It was necessary to take Tbilisi, catch the local Fuhrer, judge, and hang.


      Definitely +++ !!! drinks


      Quote: sichevik
      More than sure that even this amers would


      Without a doubt, they would not even become indignant, because amer’s snout not only in fluff but also in g .... e !!! By the most .. I can’t! am
    4. Che
      Che
      +2
      25 May 2012 07: 58
      sichevik,
      It was necessary to bring the matter to its logical conclusion. And now these creatures are yapping and spoiling the air. wassat
    5. a_lex
      +1
      25 May 2012 19: 23
      Who would feed all this shobla then? Do Russians PANIMMAH?
    6. RUSSIA75
      -2
      9 June 2012 15: 42
      Quote: sichevik
      .. I regret one thing, that then the GDP and DAM did not finish the job. It was necessary to take Tbilisi, catch the local Fuhrer, judge, and hang. I am more than sure that the amers would have let it go. We would be a little indignant and calm down

      That's right! But this "Napoleon" would be buried in the Amerovsky embassy, ​​a hundred pounds! Well, of course, before that I would gobble up all my ties so that the enemy would not get it, that is to us lol drinks
  10. Max 777
    +8
    24 May 2012 10: 07
    If they still turn up against us, they will get tougher! Good article.
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +8
      24 May 2012 15: 57
      Quote: Max 777
      If they still turn up against us, they will get tougher!


      You just have to behave in such a way ... EVEN YOU DO NOT THINK AND DO NOT ALLOW THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS - SUNSHIP !!!
  11. +7
    24 May 2012 11: 00
    Everyone said so. I join everyone. Thank you Vitaly for the article. We must not forget this.
  12. ANTURAG
    +6
    24 May 2012 11: 18
    And there was an unequal battle OUR ...

    Glory to our heroes! There is someone proud in our time.
  13. borisst64
    +4
    24 May 2012 12: 16
    Mentally written !! I like it!
  14. +3
    24 May 2012 12: 41
    beautifully written, poetic.
  15. +2
    24 May 2012 12: 54
    It’s a pity only our guys who died in South Ossetia. (((
  16. Ahmar
    +10
    24 May 2012 13: 40
    oiuy,
    disappear! we do not care about the "recognition" of Geyropa and the rest of the pedera * comrade. The main thing is that we threw out the shameful trash that is at war with civilians from our land! The only thing I regret is that we could not prevent it.
    1. -15
      24 May 2012 23: 54
      Ogoo uje iujnaia asetia eta vashaa?
      Vashi saiuzniki ni priznali nezavisimast eta ni strana?
      Ili vi vsigda pravi ???

      Vse Panimaiut Chto Eta bil atvet na Kosovo i vsio ....
      pa dagavoru xnumx miratvorci bi ujli iz iujni asetii i iz abkhazii i schivo nada bila nachinats vainu? :)
      1. +4
        25 May 2012 01: 01
        Hardly you are interesting to someone.
      2. +1
        25 May 2012 15: 33
        What it came to in Georgia ... Claudia with a Russian layout could not be reached. Well, nothing, google - there is a virtual one. If the OS is not Home Basic, then the language is preinstalled wassat
        1. +2
          25 May 2012 21: 10
          What it came to in Georgia ... Claudia with a Russian layout could not be reached. Well, nothing, google - there is a virtual one. If the OS is not Home Basic, then the language is preinstalled


          He doesn't have enough brains for this - modern education "understands" and even more so in the country of Saakashvili.
      3. RUSSIA75
        0
        9 June 2012 15: 52
        Geokingxnumx,

        http://www.apn.ru/publications/article21261.htm читай и плачь!!! am
  17. Weekend
    +9
    24 May 2012 14: 31
    Not a bit ashamed, I remember and proud! I am proud of those guys who did not shame the honor and glory of the Russian weapons and gave adversaries to the face!
  18. DavidLinch2012
    +1
    24 May 2012 14: 40
    Ossetians were destined for the fate of the Serbian Serbs
    "We were prompted to write this material by the article by Pyotr Iskenderov. The Ossetians were destined for the fate of the Croatian Serbs and the plot shown on the Sunday program" Vremya "on September 14, 2008.
    Since later the Russian mass media of disinformation bypassed this topic in deathly silence, we undertook additional research (see How the Srebrenica knot was tied (Part 1), How the Srebrenica knot was tied (Part 2) and How the silver knot was tied (Part 3)) and now we bring to your attention exhaustive, in our opinion, historical parallels between the events in Yugoslavia in May-August 1995 and the events in the Caucasus in August 2008. (The very first about these historical parallels, apparently, was told by RBCdaily analyst Anatoly Pomortsev, in the article "Made at the Pentagon" dated August 8, 2008). "
    continued here http://osmanrus.livejournal.com/558.html
    1. Che
      Che
      +2
      25 May 2012 08: 05
      DavidLinch2012,
      Maybe it’s worth carrying out joint exercises with amers (to study the enemy) as it is happening now, but they cannot be given a descent. These bloodsuckers suck like ticks. wassat
  19. Goga
    +6
    24 May 2012 15: 13
    "Plus" right away, but somehow you can't express the impression of this article. Vitaly Roslyakov managed to write in such a way that he immediately “catches” and does not immediately “let go” - he wrote with a soul - when you read, as if you yourself see it with your eyes. We are waiting for Vitaly's new works, every time he opens from some new side - a master! good
  20. +8
    24 May 2012 15: 32
    The Georgians that the Poles are political prostitutes who give pay and give his song.
    1. Oleg0705
      +3
      24 May 2012 18: 36
      Farvil RU Today, 15:32 PM

      Yet it’s not worth everyone to one comb, ordinary people, zombied by the State Department’s chicks, and there are no more than 2% of the total population of Georgia.
      It will pass!
  21. Ataturk
    +14
    24 May 2012 17: 46
    Quote: Farvil
    Georgians that the Poles are political prostitutes


    Think what you say, it’s prostitution in your head. Because of Saakashvili alone, all the people are not called prostitutes. Georgians, I answer with my head, respect Russia very much, the Georgian people have always considered Russians to be fellow believers. I am personally ashamed of this war. Because we, the peoples of the former USSR, brothers, and when I watched the peacekeepers and the Georgians die there, my soul bleeds because the West won again.
    I don’t even want to call this ... I felt the power of Russia, and Saakashvili believed that the essence of help was to return Abkhazia and Ossetia.
    It was a shame even for the fact that the Ukrainians shot down Russian planes.
    I was ashamed of Russia, which bombed the Georgians. I am ashamed of everyone who participated.

    I am Azerbaijani. Was it beautiful when the Armenians slaughtered the women and children of Azerbaijanis, when they only ate Azerbaijani bread a couple of years ago?

    Saakashvili did the wrong thing. What began to dance to the tune of the United States. They bastards from the Caucasus will make a training ground between the United States and Russia. Only the bastards themselves will not fight there. And they will use their puppets.

    Guys, my dears, this war is the stain of the shame of our FRIENDSHIP. Our HISTORY.

    Do you know why? Because there they laugh at the burg, that's what they need. Yesterday's brothers began to kill each other. And what did we get in the end? Abkhazia is recognized by Russia and Ganduras. Even the CSTO members did not recognize.

    What has Saakashvili achieved? What got on the head, his country was covered. He thought what I did not understand.

    But, all wars and conflicts were created by the Kremlin in the post-Soviet space to have a thread like a puppeteer over the former USSR countries. This is Transnistria, this is Karabakh and so on.

    Am I wrong? The mistake with Gorbat was that he allowed the bastards to happen to these conflicts, and the mistake of the current authorities, in order to agree, began to flirt with the United States, this did not lead to anything.

    And the mistake of the current Kremlin is that it does not want to resolve conflicts in the post-Soviet space. I include Abkhazia South Ossetia and Karabakh.

    Here and so.

    Respectfully to all

    Gee. I read here, everyone writes that with the Serbs this way and that. What is X Serbia. This Serbia also sold weapons to Georgia. And against whom did she sell? I personally do not consider Serbs as a friendly country. So the Serbs are not our brothers. Our brothers are only those who lived in the USSR.
    If so, then Africa and the Arabs are considered brothers? Oh well them ..
    1. prispek
      +4
      24 May 2012 23: 37
      You are not my brother .... I served in the SA in Kirovabad, and I remember what kind of "brothers" you are. And the Georgians are no better. Russians, except for Belarusians, Eastern Ukrainians and Mordovians-Merisimuroma have no relatives. And all the national republics were just waiting for the central government to weaken so that the Russians could arrange a massacre and divide their property.
      1. Yarbay
        +8
        25 May 2012 01: 16
        You know there are many people who served in Kirovbad and there were almost no Russians there!
        And in Baku they have lived and still live, and even maybe Russians live better than you !!
        And you are not my brother prispek and no one to you in the brothers nenabivaetsya!
        My brothers are guys like Yuri Kovalev, Igor Makeev, Sergey Shenyushkin, Karlov Evgeniy, Half Ruslan, Victor Seregin and many others who did not regret all they had for their homeland !!
        1. Ataturk
          +5
          25 May 2012 01: 33
          He is a provocateur do not pay attention. Have you ever heard such nonsense that Azerbaijanis were waiting for the Russians to weaken and then they would cut and rob them?

          Quote: prispek
          And all the national republics were just waiting for the central government to weaken, so that the Russian massacre could be arranged and their property divided.


          PROVOCATOR !!!
          1. DavidLinch2012
            -5
            25 May 2012 12: 06
            http://www.contact.az/docs/2012/Interview/03122930en.htm
            Vafa Guluzade: Azerbaijan needs public consent to confront external challenges
            2012 March 12 (Monday) 14:55:42

            Democratic Azerbaijan May Become Strong Ally of US and NATO. However, for this, the country must have a stable and stable domestic political situation. Public consent is the main condition for this, Obyektiv. TV "political scientist Vafa Guluzade,

            “For us, repeating the scenario of North Africa and the Middle East is undesirable; effective political and economic transformations, judicial and other reforms are needed. Democracy "is not served," it must be suffered, it cannot be imposed by police methods, "Guluzade said.

            Azerbaijan is directly affected by foreign policy factors. So, the elections in Russia once again showed a split in society and a gradual weakening of the position of this country. The institution of the presidency is unstable there, so Vladimir Putin will be at first busy with strengthening personal positions, the country's foreign policy will weaken, and therefore, the Caspian countries can engage in internal affairs.

            The situation in and around Iran will not affect Azerbaijan and its neighbors, since the introduction of an embargo on Iranian hydrocarbons has fixed the attention of its leadership on the domestic political situation. Iranian citizens continue to actively settle in the capital of our country for fear of the outbreak of hostilities. This process, which began several years ago, contributes to the rapprochement of southern and northern Azerbaijanis.

            It is time to make a complaint to Russia. “With the current showy relationship, it turns out that the northern neighbor is our friend, and the Armenians are enemies. In fact, it is Moscow that is responsible for the Karabakh conflict. That is why Azerbaijan is obliged to demand ensuring its territorial integrity from Russia, Guluzade said.
            1. Ataturk
              +5
              25 May 2012 15: 12
              You know what the problem is David. We are Azerbaijanis, politicians and people, these are 2 different topics. The people of Azerbaijan are very friendly to Russia, but does the PEOPLE of Armenia relate well to Russia and the Russian people?
              WALK ON YOUR ARMENIAN FORUMS. I provide links, if there is not enough, I will send you more.



              Do not build from your Armenia, a country that respects Russia. I’ll see another post from you, I will post the POSTERS that you showed to the RUSSIAN MILITARY IN GYUMRI, where the RUSSIANS FROM ARMENIA shouted. ARMENIA IS NOT FOR YOU RUSSIA and much more.
          2. prispek
            +1
            25 May 2012 14: 20
            Spring 1984 Kirovabad. The traffic police regiment is preparing for the transfer to Afghanistan. Groups of young people hang around the territory of the DOS, and when Russian women appear, they’ll hear loudly in Russian that they will discuss among themselves how they will CUT when the paratroopers leave. You, Ataturk, may not have been there, but I was there, and I heard that. And you didn’t even see about it, and you never heard about it. You are a happy person ... only
            1. DavidLinch2012
              0
              25 May 2012 15: 03
              General Alexander Lebed testified to how this was happening in his book “For the Power Offensive”; he, then a colonel, participated in the implementation of the special situation in Baku in 1988-1989 and the introduction of troops into the city in January 1990.

              Here is how he describes the murder case, which was not officially recognized as such: “... With the next outbreak of spontaneous settlement, I, in search of the police chief, ended up in the courtyard of a private house and became an involuntary witness to the following picture. In the middle of the courtyard there is a still dead body of a man of about 30 years old. His head was ruined by a powerful blow, and a piece of twisted reinforcement 70 centimeters long and 20-22 millimeters thick with blood and hair remains lay here. In the courtyard, the head of the police department, police colonel, I don’t remember my last name, doctor, major, sergeant. I entered the moment when the colonel standing with his back dictated to the sergeant: “The cause of death is myocardial infarction.” I was enraged: “Who are you talking about? About this? ” "Yes sir!". “What a myocardial infarction! Here is the fittings, they killed him. ” Looking calmly at me with black eyes without glitter, the colonel declared: “Comrade Colonel! You do not understand. He was hit, a heart attack occurred as a result of a stroke, he died as a result of a heart attack. So the doctor confirms. ” The doctor nodded. I passionately wanted to take the machine gun and put in one turn both the cattle-militiamen and the “knowledgeable” Aesculapius. I turned and left ... Three days later ... no force in the world can prove that this flowering man was killed on the threshold of his own house, protecting his family from a brutal blow with a piece of reinforcement. Beneficial, saving heart attack ... ". The massacre of Armenians in Baku in January 1990 was also coordinated with the ambulance service. Azerbaijani "doctors" issued false medical certificates of death for the victims, indicating in them the natural causes of death instead of real violent ones. Because of this, the exact number of victims of the Baku massacre is unlikely to ever be established.
            2. Yarbay
              +2
              25 May 2012 16: 45
              Prishpek is lying and lying impudently!
              If you served in 1984 in Kirovbad, you would never have heard there in large numbers how you express yourself and when Russian women appeared to say that ?? You are a big liar !!
              I would see how you would say your words to the Russian residents of the settlements Ivanovka, Mikhailovka, Maryevka, Alti-Agach, Narimanovka, Chukhur-Yurt, Marazy Russians, Dzhabany, villages of the Khachmazky district - Pavlovka and Alekseevka in the Khachmaz district, Vladimirovka, Zurabovka, Ulyanovka in the Guba district, Khilmili and Astrakhanovka in the Shemakha region, Astrakhan and Pavlovsk in the Lankaran region !!?
              Something no one threatened them even when the paratroopers left !!!
              And still live as they lived!
              and people like you have no shame and no conscience!
              1. prispek
                +1
                26 May 2012 02: 29
                Yah? How did it happen that I served in Kirovabad in 1984 and heard? "Remember Isa and Sandrik? These are holy people! ..." So you are lying, and you are lying brazenly. Only you are a petty liar, so you are hiding behind the Russian inhabitants of the villages you named.
                1. prispek
                  +3
                  26 May 2012 02: 53
                  And it's not for you to talk about shame and conscience. For a Muslim to deceive an "infidel" is a feat. And breaking the oath given to the "unfaithful" is a feat. Therefore, you always swear in conversation with us, and go berserk when you are not believed. So, do not touch shame and conscience, you do not know these concepts
            3. Kamilla
              +3
              25 May 2012 18: 12
              Quote: prispek

              Spring 1984 Kirovabad.
              ????????????? all the more in 1984 !!! you yourself are a liar and a provocateur !!!! Russians lived and live in Azerbaijan !! and don’t want to leave .. ask how many Russians live in Armenia, I’m sure you will be surprised ...
              1. prispek
                +2
                26 May 2012 02: 13
                So what you do not like when it was not? Maybe Kirovabad was not in 1984? And that you drag me to Armenia, I have never been there, and I haven’t said anything good or bad about Armenians in a single post. But he was in Azerbaijan. And I say what I know, not by hearsay, but personally. And your hysteria is proof of my innocence.
        2. prispek
          +1
          25 May 2012 13: 58
          Yes, I agree, Baku is not Kirovabad. Baku was then considered the most "Russian" city in Azerbaijan. But Kirovabad is the second largest city in the republic and the largest military garrison, so there were quite a few Russians there. And of course, in the capitals, and not only in the capitals of the national republics, people have always lived better than in the Russian provinces. Only after the collapse of the Soviet Union many had to flee, and not only Russians. And the fact that you are not my brother, Yarbay, I already know. This Ataturk wrote down the peoples of the former USSR as brothers, probably out of habit. Only the price of this "brotherhood" should be asked not from those who are in Sweden or Azerbaijan.
          1. Yarbay
            0
            25 May 2012 19: 45
            Prishpek is lying and lying impudently!
            If you served in 1984 in Kirovbad, you would never have heard there in large numbers how you express yourself and when Russian women appeared to say that ?? You are a big liar !!
            I would see how you would say your words to the Russian residents of the settlements Ivanovka, Mikhailovka, Maryevka, Alti-Agach, Narimanovka, Chukhur-Yurt, Marazy Russians, Dzhabany, villages of the Khachmazky district - Pavlovka and Alekseevka in the Khachmaz district, Vladimirovka, Zurabovka, Ulyanovka in the Guba district, Khilmili and Astrakhanovka in the Shemakha region, Astrakhan and Pavlovsk in the Lankaran region !!?
            Something no one threatened them even when the paratroopers left !!!
            And still live as they lived!
            and people like you have no shame and no conscience!
          2. Yarbay
            +2
            25 May 2012 19: 49
            No, this is not Ataturk mistakenly wrote down the peoples of the former USSR, and you Prishpek was mistakenly born in the USSR !!
            1. prispek
              +1
              26 May 2012 01: 56
              Well, you, Yarbay, are already rude. So I'm right
    2. 0
      25 May 2012 01: 05
      "I am an Azerbaijani. Was it beautiful when the Armenians slaughtered the women and children of Azerbaijanis, when just a couple of years ago they ate Azerbaijani bread?"
      Did the Azerbaijanis do absolutely nothing to Armenian women and children? All your speech is half truth to a banal provocation.
      1. Kamilla
        +3
        25 May 2012 10: 08
        Quote: wulf66
        Did the Azerbaijanis do absolutely nothing to Armenian women and children?


        and there is evidence that they did ?? where are the facts? just don't talk like that ... when we write about the atrocities of the Armenians, we rely on facts, and not "one woman said" ..... chatting is not carrying bags ...
        1. DavidLinch2012
          0
          25 May 2012 14: 35
          In order to discredit the testimony of independent witnesses about the facts of Armenocide in the territory of the former Azerbaijan SSR, Azerbaijani-Turks are trying to portray the war in Karabakh as a “Christian-Muslim conflict”. Testimonies and photographs of the English baroness Caroline Cox about the massacre in the village of Maraga,
          http://maragha.org/photo_ru.html
          where on April 10, 1992, Azerbaijanis mutilated, decapitated, dismembered and burned alive more than 50 residents, are declared “lies” and “fiction” on the grounds that the Baroness “is a representative of Christian Solidarity International, which by definition cannot be objective, since created to protect the rights of Christians, and Azerbaijanis are Muslims. ” Azerbaijani-Turks forget to add that Margaret Thatcher, who visited Baku in the fall of 1992, opposed the right of Karabakh Armenians to self-determination, declaring their support for the "territorial integrity of Azerbaijan." Of course, Thatcher made this statement not as the British Prime Minister, but as a representative of British Petroleum. But to everything else Thatcher is a Christian, and she supported Muslim-oil Azerbaijan ...
        2. +3
          25 May 2012 15: 22
          I don’t talk, I was there and what I saw there, so you talk. Although in the east it’s an honor to chat, smile, and then stick a knife in the back ... it’s considered manly there.
    3. skychnii
      +1
      25 May 2012 07: 09
      Is it a people that destroys the monuments and memory of their ancestors?
    4. Fox 070
      +4
      25 May 2012 07: 20
      Quote: Ataturk
      Georgians, I answer with my head, respect Russia very much,

      Dear Ataturk, I always read your comments with great attention and I must say that our views often coincide. BUT NOT NOW. I beg you, take care of your head! Do not try to act as a peacemaker now. I understand that they are your neighbors, but perhaps you did not see with what national joy the Georgian people welcomed the initiatives of their leadership in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, starting with the psychopath Gamsakhurdia. It somehow mentioned the flows of hatred towards Russia on Armenian sites. So, I dare to assure you that there is much more bile on Georgian sites
      Quote: Ataturk
      I am ashamed of everyone who participated.

      I am not ashamed of our peacekeepers who covered themselves with civilians.
      I am not ashamed of this little people who heroically suffered all the horror, and not only of 2008.
      I am not ashamed of my country, which has not abandoned its citizens.
      And then, you know, the "current Kremlin" is not obliged to solve your problems. And, perhaps, the Serbs of YOU are not brothers, but Russians are connected with them no less than with Azerbaijan.
      1. Ataturk
        +3
        25 May 2012 15: 38
        Fox 070 my dear, I am familiar with 3 Georgians. Ardent patriots. How can you not come to watch Russian films. As you can’t say about politics, the Russian people say good people. Always been friends. I say what I heard. This is 100% I'm quite serious. Again, I repeat, the commoner is a different people and the politicians are different.

        Quote: Fox 070
        I am not ashamed of our peacekeepers who covered themselves with civilians.

        I am sincerely glad that Russia has such sons. Honestly, there is something to be proud of. But I was not ashamed of them, but of the conflict between us all.

        Quote: Fox 070
        And then, you know, the "current Kremlin" is not obliged to solve your problems.

        Only trouble is that, THE CURRENT KREMLIN, does not solve and does not allow to solve this problem. That's the problem. If it solves the problem according to conscience and honor, according to laws and international rights, then Armenia is a country of occupation. This is recognized by Russia. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
        at the vote, votes AGAINST that Armenia is called the occupier.
        DUAL Standards Policy. Is not it so? Justified by the fact that supposedly the word “Occupant” will not allow to solve the Karabakh problem.

        WHERE IS THE LOGIC?

        And the truth is that, Karabakh and other problems were deliberately created in order to keep both AZERBAIJAN and Armenia in a dead loop. In order not to go anywhere. And why? But because
        if it solves the problem, by those standards, then Armenia must return Karabakh. Then in a couple of days we will see in Armenia such a policy that SAAAKASHVILI turns out to be an angel.

        It was. It is in the facts. I CAN PROVE! Ever since the tsarist times, when the Armenian did not like the policy of RUSSIA, the answer was TERROR. Is not it so? Have you really forgotten how your PRINTS and nobles ARMENIANS CUT?

        Why did Alexander 3 give to the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, Tolstoy, to expel all Armenians from government posts and not only to remove everything related to Armenia from textbooks. Why? Do not know my dear?

        Forgot how the Metro was blown up by the Armenians in Moscow in the 80s? They forgot how the Armenians gifted DIAMOND to Gorbachev’s wife, and when they saw that there was no use for Gorbachev, they started shouting RAISAAAA VERNI BRILLIANT. This shame did you forget my friend?

        1885 YEAR in Russia why 160 Armenian parish schools were closed? Just?

        And who killed Prince Golitsyn? Who and for what? And who said that he would hang his head in the square?


        I can bring you examples of how the RUSSIAN KINGS fought except Peter the Great with the Armenians. Want to lay out all the material. With dates ????

        That is why Russia does not solve the problem of the Armenians, since terror will begin on the part of the Armenians in Russia. In the worst case, in the best case, as I said, SAAKASHVILI will seem an angel to you, in comparison with the policy of Armenia.

        Given that their people write these lines



        think now!

        with respect
        1. Fox 070
          +2
          25 May 2012 16: 35
          Quote: Ataturk
          Saakashvili seems to you an angel, compared with the policy of Armenia.

          Dear Ataturk! To get started, let's move away from you mentor rhetoric. I am not a student at a lecture, and you are not a teacher. Believe me, I can think, and I also have eyes and ears, and I have nothing against the facts you mentioned about Armenia, but, on the contrary, I agree with you. But regarding Georgia, do not even try to assure me otherwise. Over the course of my life, I have become accustomed to trusting my senses, and what I had the pleasure of telling you, I saw and heard myself. Maybe now, after 2008, the mood has changed, but until that time, for almost 20 years there was a massive psychosis with pronounced anti-Russian rhetoric. Russia was weak and everyone tried to bite a wounded bear. Even Shevardnadze sinned this.
          1. Vadim555
            +2
            25 May 2012 19: 28
            Quote: Fox 070
            But regarding Georgia, don’t even try to assure me otherwise. Maybe now, after 2008, the mood has changed, but until that time, for almost 20 years, there was massive psychosis with pronounced anti-Russian rhetoric.


            Complement
            In 1991, in Izvestia, an anti-Russian article of some Georgian leader was printed on the entire last page. A phrase (sounded something like this) cut into my memory.
            When Russians still climbed and sat on trees, Georgia was already an Orthodox country.

            And the newspaper was an organ of the Council of People's Deputies of the USSR.
            From such "reading" at that time, the head was spinning.
          2. go
            0
            26 May 2012 15: 29
            Quote: Fox 070


            Fox 070 (4)

            I was in Georgia somewhere a couple of years before this conflict. And not only in Tbilisi. It was an interesting trip. It started with the fact that the airport did not want to speak Russian, they wanted to speak English, when I switched to English, they could not keep up the conversation, it was funny. As soon as we got out of the airport, I started with a taxi driver in English too - he immediately offered in Russian! In Tbilisi, George Bush Avenue was pleased. When we arrived in the mountains, there were no problems with the Russian. The owner of the house where they lived helped us in every way, his children drove us on their Merc to the bumps. Of course we were customers, but the attitude was normal. Even then, through his friends, he found us a place to stay in Tbilisi. There was only one unpleasant incident - a local policeman hit the subway. After 5 minutes of conversation, he also picked up and everything was in order.

            Intermediate conclusion: the official structures with which Saakashvili’s brainwashed and his team sow negative attitude towards Russia. With ordinary people in general, everything is in order.

            Since we were talking about Armenia, I was there too. Everything was perfect there. They watered cognac everywhere.

            For comparison in app. Europe, for example, Germany, the attitude is worse. Here, people are divided into two categories - some relate well to Russia, for others (such as the majority), a forest begins in the east, in which underdeveloped and aggressive peoples live.

            Therefore, the main conclusion: it is necessary to establish relations with neighbors. All is not lost. A holy place is never empty.
        2. DavidLinch2012
          0
          25 May 2012 16: 58
          People with soviet thinking still do not know what role Azerbaijanis played in the destruction of the Soviet Union. Azerbaijanis take for granted the fact that in 1988-1991, the Russians, as the state-forming nation of the USSR, helped them in the genocide against the Armenian-Christian population. But the Azerbaijani-Turks are haunted by the entry of the Soviet Army in Baku on January 20, 1990, as a result of which the power of the opposition Popular Front of Azerbaijan was overthrown, and the obedient party functionary Ayaz Mutalibov became the leader of the Azerbaijan SSR. The facts of the monstrous massacre in Baku discovered by the Soviet military (for example, a well filled to the brim with corpses of Armenians and Russians) were hidden from the world and Soviet public by order of Gorbachev. In this regard, the Azerbaijani-Turks do not make any claims to Gorbachev. You see, they are outraged by the “martyrs” - pogromists, rapists and murderers who have rendered armed resistance to the entry of Soviet troops into Baku. At present, this event in Azerbaijan is interpreted as “the killing of innocent people”, committed by order of the “leader of the evil empire Mikhail Gorbachev,” or even as “genocide of the Azerbaijani people”. Azerbaijanis forget to add that just a year after the black January, Azerbaijanis obediently came to an all-union referendum and voted to preserve the USSR. That is, for the very “leader of the evil empire Mikhail Gorbachev” who committed “genocide” against the “Azerbaijani people” unknown to science. In return for their vote, the newly arrived Turkic nomads received Operation Ring: Azerbaijani riot policemen, led by Russian officers, expelled the indigenous Armenian population from the lands on which Armenians lived for centuries. Even after the collapse of the USSR, Azerbaijanis used Russians in the politics of Armenocide. By the summer of 1992, Azerbaijan had completely “privatized” the former 4th Soviet Army. Since the Azerbaijanis in the armed forces of the USSR were mainly cooks or builders, a serious shortage of pilots, tank drivers and specialists in artillery systems arose in the new Azerbaijani army. Therefore, not only weapons, ammunition, armored vehicles and aviation turned out to be “privatized”, but also officers of Slavic origin. In June 1992, Azerbaijanis, serving thousands of Russians and Ukrainians, occupied the Shaumyansky, almost the entire Mardakert region and parts of the Martuni and Askeran regions of the NKR. More than 60 thousand people became refugees, hundreds were killed, injured or missing. Russian and Ukrainian pilots also bombed the peaceful settlements of Karabakh and the border regions of Armenia. Perhaps it was the Russian or Ukrainian pilot on August 23, 1992. bombed a hostel in Stepanakert, where refugees from the Mardakert region settled, and on December 12, 1992. dropped a ball (cluster) bomb on the bread line in Kafan. In addition, once a plane purposefully bombed a XNUMXth-century temple, which is a true masterpiece of Armenian architecture. Major Anatoly Chistyakov, who was shot down immediately after that, testified during interrogation that the Azerbaijani commander ordered him to bomb the church “for strategic reasons”. So, did the Azerbaijanis turn out to be very “grateful” to the Russians for their help in the implementation of the Great Turan project? Yes, we can say this: “gratitude” of Azerbaijanis reaches astronomical values. Every year, February 25-26, Azerbaijanis demand that the Russians kneel and repent for Katyn, excuse me, make a reservation, for Khojaly. Azerbaijan agitprop claims: “Russian soldiers of the 336th motorized rifle regiment stationed in Stepanakert and Armenian bandits committed the genocide of the 7th population of the city of Khojaly.” To prove this "theory", Azerbaijani "artists" wrote a poster in the style of Goebbels' daub. On the poster, a sword stylized as a Christian cross and with a handle in the form of a tower of the Moscow Kremlin pierces a child. And in order to make it clear that there is an inscription in Russian: “The genocide of Azerbaijanis in Khojaly (26.02.1992)”. Anyone who sees this poster should disappear all doubts. Of course, the Russian people are simply obliged to kneel before the Azerbaijani-Turks.
    5. jo_lik
      0
      26 May 2012 09: 44
      Quote: Ataturk
      my soul bleeds because the West won again.

      The real truth.
    6. 0
      29 May 2012 15: 08
      Are Georgians nice to Russians? Oh well...

      http://www.inosmi.ru/world/20081211/245981.html

      http://www.rossia3.ru/quotes/6216
  22. Oleg0705
    +4
    24 May 2012 18: 06
    Quote: Ataturk
    Think what you say, it’s prostitution in your head. Because of Saakashvili alone, all the people are not called prostitutes. Georgians, I answer with my head, respect Russia very much, the Georgian people have always considered Russians to be fellow believers. I am personally ashamed of this war. Because we, the peoples of the former USSR, brothers, and when I watched the peacekeepers and the Georgians die there, my soul bleeds because the West won again.


    All true.
    A small republic, but how much it has given Russia - Bagration, Dzhugashvili-Stalin, Beria, Ordzhonikidze, etc.

    Leonid Shebarshin
    1. prispek
      +4
      25 May 2012 00: 21
      And that got a little? How many Georgians were there at the time of joining Russia? What was the area? Would it even survive or become provinces in Turkey and Iran? Georgians need to be grateful to the Russians for living in their own state, which they themselves could not save. Kurds, for example, do not have their own state, and the Khazars, who were enemies of Russia, disappeared from the historical scene.
      1. Oleg0705
        +1
        25 May 2012 19: 09
        Quote: prispek
        How many Georgians were there at the time of joining Russia? What was the area? Would it even survive or become provinces in Turkey and Iran?



        I agree with you, just tell me, without being distorted by Russia, it would be easier if I had in the underbelly the provinces of Turkey, Iran, etc. ??????
        1. prispek
          +2
          26 May 2012 01: 50
          I do not know. But it is better to deal with enemies than with traitors.
  23. Marat
    +6
    24 May 2012 18: 38
    Most importantly, Russia reminded the world Masons that it was the heir to tsarist Russia and the USSR — and the Caucasus was its patrimony and area of ​​interest! Just as the Tatar-Mongols once entered the Caucasus, so Russia (not expecting the revival of a full-fledged alliance) already there and by force of arms outlined its (and our common interests) interests. Definitely our Abkhazians and Ossetians are Soviet people in the Caucasus and our bridgehead there.

    While we are all going to unite - Russia alone is already fighting for the interests of the future Eurasian Empire - in the Caucasus and the Arctic, etc. It works for the Belarusians and for us Kazakhs and others - not yet joined.

    We all need to push our governments and "elites" - we need to harness as soon as possible - together and the "load" will be easier, and there is still a risk that Russia may "overstrain"
  24. +3
    24 May 2012 18: 53
    Written in one go! Almost four years have passed, and emotions overwhelm! Thanks for the article guys !!!
  25. lorvig
    +5
    24 May 2012 19: 17
    Against the background of the soldiers and junior officers fighting, the General Staff looked untenable, the whole operation looked like lions were led by a donkey.
    1. Fox 070
      +2
      25 May 2012 07: 34
      Quote: lorvig

      Against the background of how soldiers and junior officers fought, the General Staff looked untenable

      Are you able to evaluate the work of the General Staff? Maybe enlighten me, what specifically expressed the failure of their work?
  26. prispek
    +5
    24 May 2012 23: 48
    Correct article. It seems to me that they checked us then, they tried it on a tooth. And the fact that they didn’t mumble about aggression and beg the West to influence Sahak, but cut in, is also correct. The only obvious "plus" for the entire reign of Medvedev.
  27. +2
    25 May 2012 10: 32
    Great article, read with a trembling heart. My uncle died on the eve of these events in Abkhazia.
  28. wow
    +6
    25 May 2012 19: 12
    RF, we are with you! Because, we are you, no matter what you say!
  29. Twarg
    +4
    25 May 2012 23: 06
    Did not read comments at all. I do not have time to insert a word in front of careerists))). BUT I fully support the actions of Russia in this situation. Respect, beautifully fast and high quality!
  30. s1н7т
    -2
    26 May 2012 01: 32
    The article is about nothing. And how it was carried out -! Only Georgia's unwillingness to answer the Russian Federation (here you can only guess why) did not lead to a disaster - if they closed the Roki tunnel, Salang №2 was provided! Well, the role of the General Staff and Defense Ministry is outside observers. MO - "the subscriber is temporarily unavailable", and the GOU is simply not provided with communication. And how the expelled Beginning. The GOU was begged to return, Putin had to personally call and beg. The Russians were just damn lucky. But there will be no second such time. Another such conflict - and everyone will understand that the Russian Federation is not capable of anything, except for the sale of gas and oil.
    1. Sergh
      +5
      26 May 2012 03: 58
      s1н7т
      Quote: c1n7
      and everyone will understand that the Russian Federation is not capable of anything except the sale of gas and oil

      I'm not sure that you are saying this under your flag, but at the last phrase, I can assure you that it is not far off at the expense of testing your abilities, only this time, bandage your ass with bandages in advance so that it does not swell so much. And about "understand", it will be too late.
    2. Fox 070
      0
      26 May 2012 20: 57
      Quote: c1n7
      Only Georgia’s lack of readiness to answer to the Russian Federation (one can only guess why) didn’t lead to disaster

      And you, Valentin, seem to be very disappointed with Georgia's unpreparedness. I dare to advise you, when (if) this tie-expert Saakashvili once again gathers "on a visit", join him as chief of the General Staff of the Georgian troops and show us what Russia is capable of. Only I beg you - don't do it ... tongue
  31. Rascopov
    +2
    26 May 2012 12: 09
    Well, in general, I also shouted approvingly, and now I think: we need this Ossetia, another financial hole! They spend money in Chechnya, in Ossetia, in Dagestan, while our Russian villages are dying - no one invests a ruble there!
  32. Liliputin
    0
    26 May 2012 13: 00
    So what? For Abkhazians and Ossetians, today, the most important thing is that Russia recognized their independence.

    For Ossetians it can and is important, but Abkhazians need international recognition.
    If you face the truth, Yu. Ossetia, as an independent state, cannot yet exist. This territory has no access to the sea and the airport - accordingly, the state is already divorced from the outside world. Two implicit borders, one of which is with a state that does not recognize its sovereignty, makes Ossetia completely dependent on the Russian Federation (Russia simply needs to close the border to completely tear South Ossetia from the outside world and bring it to its knees). The only way out for Ossetians in this situation is to unite with S. Ossetia and become part of the Russian Federation - which is now happening. And this is a direct annexation of Georgian territories, even for some former ones, by Russia.
    To confirm this, it is enough just to enter the "union of Ossetia" in the search engine ...
    1. Fox 070
      0
      26 May 2012 21: 04
      Quote: Liliputin
      "unification of Ossetia

      Is there anything bad that people want to unite and live on the territory of an adequate state?
      1. Liliputin
        -1
        27 May 2012 02: 40
        Is there anything bad that people want to unite and live on the territory of an adequate state?

        I would not speak in your place for all the people, especially the Caucasian !!!
        The situation in the Caucasus is still tense, and what the Caucasians really want is another question ....
        1. Fox 070
          +1
          27 May 2012 02: 44
          Quote: Liliputin
          what Caucasians really want is another question ....

          And are you able, sitting in Ukraine, to answer this question?
          1. Liliputin
            -1
            27 May 2012 10: 05
            And are you able, sitting in Ukraine, to answer this question?

            Judging by the ongoing struggle of the Russian security forces with extremist elements in the North Caucasus, including in S. Ossetia, there are still quite popular ideas about creating such Islamic emirates ....
            Of course, it cannot be said that this idea is inherent in the overwhelming majority of the region’s population, but its rather considerable part is for sure ....
            1. Fox 070
              0
              28 May 2012 02: 47
              Quote: Liliputin
              including in S. Ossetia, there are still quite popular ideas about creating such Islamic emirates ....

              Listen to yourself! Where is S. Ossetia and where are the Islamic Emirates? Are you confusing anything? This is the only Christian national republic in the North Caucasus! Do not disgrace. In order to discuss something on a topic, you need to get a little deeper into it. fool
  33. cool.ya-nikola
    +5
    26 May 2012 20: 34
    Vitaly Roslyakov for the article a deep bow and a thousand pluses! But, you should have listened to how the events of August 2008 were described and assessed on the most liberal and freest (as I believe from conscience) radio station "Echo of Moscow"! A certain Latynina Larissa was especially trying, she really worked out her 30 pieces of silver! How she praised Mr. Sakakashvili for bravely resisting the "bloody tandem regime"! am Although quite a long time has passed since that time, I will never forget the feeling, shame and anger that I experienced after all these "analytical" programs. It is a great pity that not a single stray bomb reached Echo of Moscow wassat
    1. Liliputin
      -3
      27 May 2012 02: 37
      a certain Latynina Larisa

      I wonder where did Larisa Latynina come from ???? belay
      There was always Julia .... winked
  34. Van
    +2
    26 May 2012 21: 45
    It is high time for Russia to begin to pursue an independent policy, without looking at the USA and Europe, to get up from its knees and gain strength, well, my brothers are not all Slavs, but only those who did not sell their mother’s home and did not give their souls to the Western foul , we always substitute our shoulder in difficult times ... (It was, is, and will always be).
  35. GAMER0761
    +2
    26 May 2012 21: 59
    There would be more such articles! Thanks to the author !!!
  36. gale
    +2
    27 May 2012 17: 39
    the right decision of the Russian government, I myself am from Belarus, I support you guys in this matter
  37. snorry
    +3
    27 May 2012 22: 33
    Georgia together with the USA started an informative war. At first, they even won, until the little girl told the truth on one American channel.

    As for Russia ... well done!
  38. pba
    pba
    +2
    27 May 2012 23: 45
    thank you
  39. Twarg
    +2
    28 May 2012 18: 09
    They did everything right.
  40. rom8622
    +1
    29 May 2012 11: 07
    The author for the article Thank you so much !!!! Joy and pride overwhelm for the fact that Russia did not leave its brothers and in difficult times showed the Jackals where their place is !!!!
  41. 0
    29 May 2012 16: 23
    What is characteristic of Georgia itself at one time was asked to be part of Russia, otherwise it would simply perish under the onslaught of the territorial claims of Persia (Iran). By the way, she was not mistaken; as part of Russia, she got a second wind, preserved her culture and language, in general, it must be said that the Russians never oppressed the so-called small nations, Georgians often served faithfully in the Russian army, remember at least Prince Bagration, who forever glorified himself . Under Stalin, Georgia was in a privileged position, it lived much better than the rest of the Union republics, and in recent years, the USSR generally due to subsidies, probably because of this, part of the Georgians began megalomania, remember the collapse of the Union almost started from here. Instability took advantage of the intelligence services of the United States and Britain, fanning individual foci in a powerful fire, until they brought to power the puppet Saakashvili brought up and trained by them, supplied him with loans, weapons, and NATO instructors. The Ukrainian ally of Saakashvili, the same American protege, and the godfather of the Georgian Fuhrer Yushchenko, who delivered Saakashvili’s armored vehicles and air defense systems directly with the Ukrainian crews (by the way, SU-22M3R was shot down by their fire) also had his hand.
    1. 0
      29 May 2012 20: 08
      Today it is already clear that this action was carefully planned by the Western intelligence services in order to provoke and verify the readiness of the Russian Armed Forces, as well as their resolve to hostilities. Fortunately, the safety margin of the Russian armed forces turned out to be quite high. Unfortunately, there were many flaws in the planning and leadership of the operation, not all components and services worked as they should, so a decision was made to reorganize and rearm the aircraft. If you can compare, this is a kind of 39 year, when the troops of the USSR with a small country of Finland suffered unreasonably high losses and could not succeed for a long time. Then they also started an urgent rearmament of the army, which they did not have time to complete, which in turn led to enormous losses and defeat in the initial period of the Second World War. God forbid that they would manage to complete the restructuring of the army on time, so that the tragic 41 years would not happen again. And in the air the smell of war has long been worn. And why we, like all people, do not learn from the mistakes of others, and do not even want to recognize our own. Do we really have such a Russian mentality?
      1. 0
        20 June 2012 17: 55
        I agree with you! In addition, it can be assumed that if Russia had not responded to the provocation of the US vassal, it is quite possible that already in 2008, tank wedges from Iraq and Afghanistan with the support of head cutters would have swept Libya, Syria, Egypt and ironed Iran with anticipation to get to Georgia while solving the Karabakh issue in favor of Azerbaijan with the hands of the Vassals from the former Ottoman Empire!
  42. Corporal
    0
    29 May 2012 17: 37
    For planning an operation, organizing interaction and combat support, we need to give a "two" to our "commanders" ... Pasha Grachev's methodology has long been outdated ... It is time for the "strategists" to draw conclusions.
  43. 0
    29 May 2012 20: 17
    Quote: bistrov.
    SU-22M3R)

    I apologize, there was a typo: not SU, TU.
  44. lorvig
    +1
    16 June 2012 03: 41
    I remember during those events I came with friends to my parents, and told my father that the Russians were attacked by Georgians (my father is a former professional military man and Russophil). We could not explain to him who the Georgians were, since we didn’t really know, we called my mother (she is not just Russian, she is a RUSSIAN imperialist) When asked who the Georgians are, my mother barked - black-ass. Dad apparently crept in associations with Africa where he fought a lot, and he said with a smile: "I can imagine what a" horror "the Russians came to when they saw these terrible black-asses with rings in their noses and feathers in their ass threatening with waving sticks." the Georgians have an army, American weapons - the old man was adamant - If the Russians notice they have weapons they may get angry and then even the British Museum will not find an exhibit of a Georgian for itself.
    By the way, I then argued that the Russians in 3 days will throw Georgians into the sea .. argued.
  45. Messerschmitt
    +2
    16 June 2012 07: 21
    Thank God they reacted in time and showed the world that we were still a power, not a rabble!
  46. Messerschmitt
    +1
    16 June 2012 08: 15
    Quote: Liliputin
    Liliputin UA May 27, 2012 02:40
    - -1 +


    I would not speak in your place for all the people, especially the Caucasian !!!
    The situation in the Caucasus is still tense, and what the Caucasians really want is another question ...


    There is no such people - Caucasians! Many different peoples live in the Caucasus with their beliefs, priorities in relations between different nations, and do not dump them in a heap!
  47. Jafar. 79
    +1
    23 June 2012 11: 44
    Good article, direct pride in the country!
  48. Megalodon
    0
    23 June 2012 12: 43
    Russia is still weak (or rather the government). If a lover of ties attacked America, he would be kicked out and executed in public as Hussein or Gaddafi, and Georgians would not feel at ease in America. Those responsible for the killing of peacekeepers and peaceful Ossetians are not punished; this is a fact. Saakashwal continues to rule.
  49. +1
    April 19 2013 18: 57
    History really goes side by side, though sometimes in a very long and winding way. I mean that Ivanishvili confirmed that Georgia was the first to attack Tskhinvali, and Mikho, like a "lame duck" without authority, is living out his political term. So that.