New training helicopter "Ansat-U" arrives in Syzran branch of VUNC Air Force

Until the end of this year, the Syzran branch of the Military Training and Scientific Center of the Air Force "Air Force Academy. Professor N.E. Zhukovsky and Yu.A. Gagarin ”(VUNC VVS) plans to equip the 6 with new Ansat-U helicopters.

The flight instructors of the Syzran Higher Aviation School of Pilots underwent retraining for this type of helicopter and is ready to carry out training flights with cadets.

The new aircraft belong to the light class and are intended for the initial flight training of military cadets. aviation schools. In the future, they should completely replace the obsolete Mi-2 helicopters.

Unlike the base model, a double set of command controls is installed in the cockpit. Behind the student, there is an instructor's seat and space for six more trainees, who can replace each other in the pilot's seat right in flight.

The availability of an integrated digital electrical remote control system at Ansat allows using the machine as a training one. The system can be customized to the requirements of a specific training flight, taking into account the limitations of flight conditions in critical operating modes.

The system also makes it possible to simulate various flight situations, regulate the helicopter's “tolerance” for control errors, and also use a single unified machine for both initial training and advanced training or retraining of pilots to other helicopters.

The electronic engine control system at Ansat allows, when training, to safely simulate the failure of one of the engines and save power plant life.

Total for 2020. The Air Force should receive more than 30 modern light Ansat-U training helicopters

Comments

[Dmitriy69]

It is absolutely necessary to study on new models, there is nothing to prepare pilots of "dinosaurs" for.

[YARY]

Youngsters eat "dinosaurs" for breakfast.
Well, the news is great! Turntables novye!

[tronin.maxim]

And then, the new is always nice!

[St Petrov]

Thanks to Serdyukov for the contract!)

I think I can devote a little time to laundering our minister from dirt sick leave has its advantages

And on the topic - at the moment we are witnessing the heyday of the Russian helicopter industry. And it is impossible not to rejoice

I like this time because more and more reasons for creative slogans

[VAF]

Quote: tronin.maxim

And then, new

Sorry that I "climbed" to you, but the photo did not appear in my comment ", but here you can see that the new-old Ansats Kazan do so far only for" themselves "for some reason they don't need ESDU ???

Here come to mind 3 times, why, huh?

No one minus, let it be on your conscience !!!

[VAF]

Quote: Ardent

Well, the news is great! Turntables novye!

These "turntables" for now .... complete "g ... o"!

What are you listening to "publicized nonsense" !!!

The fact that the thought during creation was very correct is true, but .... "this thought" did not work in the form in which it is presented, and even more so ... for training !!!!

Chat with instructors, go to their forum - helicopter only for experienced pilots. and not for training "boys" or "they broke little firewood" .... ???

Even the designers themselves admit that the ESDU is ..... and change it to the "old normal control scheme" ...

In order not to be unfounded, READ and UNDERSTAND, if there is anything ..., especially to those who are PLEASANT, URAYA and about TROIT ....

On April 27, 2012, the first prototype of the Ansat-1M light helicopter was demonstrated at OJSC Kazan Helicopter Plant (KHP) -

a version of the Ansat helicopter equipped with a "traditional" hydromechanical control system instead of the digital fly-by-wire (EDSU) used on the base Ansat.

Work was urgently carried out at Kazan Helicopters to create a modification of the Ansat with a mechanical control system.

The creation of this version can be regarded as the development of an essentially simplified version of the machine and a clear step back in technical terms compared to the equipment of the earlier Ansat EDSU.

Although the EDSU KS-A "Ansata" was previously advertised as one of its clear advantages of this helicopter, it is no secret that in fact this system suffered from low reliability and frequent failures, making its way into the "Achilles' heel" of the machine and preventing its certification at the IAC. and abroad.

The first prototype completes ground tests and is supposed to make its first flight in the coming days.

Kazan Helicopters are very optimistic about getting the IAC certificate for Ansat-1M by the end of 2012.
In connection with the creation of this modification, the "basic" civilian version of "Ansat" with EDSU received the designation "Ansat-K" (it has a certificate of the AR IAC for a limited category).

On April 27, 2012 the Ansat-K helicopter manufactured in 2011 for the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Tatarstan was demonstrated

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Well, in the army, in SCHOOL !!!! is it possible with ESDU ..... then we’ll dial new ones ??

So it turns out?

[St Petrov]

that is, with this post you want to say that it will not be brought to mind in the next year or two?

or are you not happy with the pace?

everything is gone really = \

You have a lot of sad posts about the collapse, about bad deeds, and even in the helicopter structure you found a flaw.

And I have data - that helicopter construction is now developing at full speed. And defects in SU will be fixed in the near future. There is no other way out. And it has always been like that - that raw equipment was modified and modernized during operation


and various turntables began to fly suspiciously often outside the window. And even now I hear their sound.

[Viking]

Awesome photo!

[VAF]

Quote: s-t Petrov

that is, by this post you want to say

I want to say by my post, or rather I already said, but for the slow-witted one more time !!!

This helicopter is not suitable for training cadets. his ESDS system is a constant incident to the accident and that the failure of the CONTROL SYSTEM on the plane can still be somehow corrected or, at worst, to jump out of it, then the failure of the CDS in the HELICOPTER in the air leads to 1000% only to DISASTER !!!

Or to explain somehow more intelligibly !!!

And your Taburetkin M ..... K (this is to your top comment)!

Therefore, the creators of this helicopter themselves have already abandoned the ESDS and are switching to mechanics for themselves. but what they’ve already done and gathered (the grandmothers were repaired and everyone got everything) somewhere in the army, prod joyful squeals like you ... !!!

[St Petrov]

do not Cry. I repeat the questions - do you think SU will not be brought to mind?

Do you think you have become smarter than current officers, designers - by reading the forum?

Do you really think that if there is a flaw - they will not bring it to mind?

Are you tired of shouting how bad everything is?

And stop counting grandmothers - as I understand it, you have nothing to do with them, and counting money is not your profession. So you are an amateur in the matter of attendants - and you certainly should not talk about other people's attendants.


And to call the retired minister’s fool a retired officer for several years — forgive me — it looks pathetic. Where were you when Grachev taxied in the army? Also probably here sitting on the forum?
Or Ivanov
Or who was there before them

You do not have objective, COMPREHENSIVE information. Do you have rumors from the forums, multiplied by your feelings about the army during the dismissal in which year? I think my feelings from the army are newer. I was there in 2008

You are not an acting officer, so you cannot say that everything is bad in the army.

And I see active officers every day, in front of my house is a 9-story officer dormitory where pilots live. My father is an active officer and in general I live in the military town of Monino. I see how the standard of living of our officers has grown and what kind of cars they started to drive and what kind of planes they started flying at Chkalovsky Airfield.
Fortunately - almost every take-off board is visible from my window


So I am very skeptical about your words

there are problems. but they are being solved. On the Ka-52 and Mi-28N this is visible.

[VAF]

Quote: s-t Petrov

do not Cry.

Mr. Petrov, I will try my best not to cheat, although you run up and forget ....

I still have before you my eyes the DEFENSE and DEBELEST comments about the fact that you REPORED a respected man of one of the most experienced military pilots in Russia, the former commander of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Baltic Fleet, Lieutenant General in reserve Viktor Nikolaevich Sokerin.

And at the same time "hiding behind" his grandfather and father.

Would you be there, you, because my children are much older than you. The sucker is young, he filled his face so that he would remember it for life !!!

Well, your photo posted on this article fully confirms that you ..... well, actually look at yourself. You will understand everything yourself.

For your stupid information, when your respected parents only planned to give birth to you and you were only in the form of a cloudy drop on one object with your father, I already "had" two wars behind me !!!

And what can you see from the window of your nine-story building ??? How did students go to classes at the academy ???

And on Chkalovskaya to observe the flights of transport aircraft and sometimes helicopters ???

And what can you see there from the window of your apartment. When to the airport Chkalovsky 6 miles in a straight line if you measure?

Who are you pushing in !!!

Therefore, I consider communication with you pointless and below my dignity !!!

[St Petrov]

You shouldn’t be so. and about the general position I explained my then

I’m probably not sitting by the window, but I go to work every day through Chkalovskaya. I know about problems in aviation and I also know, and I am 100% sure that the situation is much better now than 10 years ago

After Chkalovskaya - Shchelkovo - not far from this city, they call for landing. And they can be seen very well. You can even consider the number.

+ I have my peers with whom I studied already fly from Chkalovsky to the 76th + the sidekick technician starley serves on Chkalovsky.

I know what the officers are saying, I know what they are talking about. And I tell you, they don’t have such decadent moods as yours.

It's time to quench. Everywhere and always there are problems, but when they are not there, then the matter is not clean.

[VAF]

Quote: s-t Petrov

even in the helicopter structure you found a flaw.

Well, what to do .... well taught in due time. that the technique should be applied only to YOU ​​and without OBSUMBERS, and if you are not up to speed. but in aviation all documents are written in BLOOD and this is not a machine. where you can stop, go out and try to fix .....

I’m sure that they will work on the ESDS defects and eventually bring them to mind, but .... the question is TODAY and it is TODAY that these helicopters, in which you have Torzhkovsky pilots, and not SCHOOLCHILDREN from Syzran go to him to study ....

Or do you still think that the recent disaster in Torzhok with the Ka-52 was due to the recent "gust of wind or snow charge" ,,, ?????

[St Petrov]

I think that all the equipment is beating. This was the first such accident of the Ka-52nd.

There was a blizzard. There was a low flight altitude. There was a transmission line support. The belts were unbuckled and because of this the catapults did not work.

In the USSR, they flew on brought cars and corrected defects during operation. But it wasn’t possible to write about it on the forum.

It is because of what we are talking about now that they fly. And modify them during the flights. And the professionals are sitting there. And since they took the helm, it means so.

You know very well that you can refuse a flight. But we see them in the cabins.

I respect you and do not minus. I see that you are a worthy officer (there are no ex), worrying about the guys. But you are first and foremost an officer and duty. You know...

And you are about SU. You would have been offered to fly this bird at the school, would you start telling me that the SU is not finalized, and there is a chance to fall, so that they have not been falling for a year, but what if they fall?

I'm sure not.

This is just grouchy with age. I have the same batos)

I really love my country and I love the army very much. I do not get paid for my posts and I really believe that everything will be.

I just want to convince you to try you and because of this I can sometimes be sharp. But nothing personal. I'm just glad for our homeland)

[VAF]

Quote: s-t Petrov

The belts were unbuckled and because of this the catapults did not work.

The catapult, for your information, or rather its manufacture and operation does not depend on fastened or not fastened belts!

But they can’t fasten their seat belts, or rather parachute straps on the ejection seat can only .... well, Petrov, it’s understandable, a great special ... damn ..!

[St Petrov]

and the weather was good. I read it now.

[755962]

At the beginning of November 2011, publications appeared in the federal media that the KVZ supplied the Ansat-U helicopters unsuitable for training cadets to the Syzran Aviation School - under-tested, uncertified, and now and then failing electronics. According to an Izvestia newspaper an anonymous source in the Russian Air Force, they are afraid to plant cadets on a new helicopter - the machine is still "damp" and has not passed all state tests. According to another article, in the Military Review, the military chose the raw Ansat-U because today in Russia there are no other modern machines for training helicopter pilots. In January of this year, the central organ of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper, published a lengthy article on the difficulties of developing Ansata-U. Thus, it was reported that military engineers were not satisfied with the high overall operating costs of the Ansat-U, and also that it, unlike the Mi-2 and Mi-8, could not be kept outdoors. http://www.business-gazeta.ru/text/54962/

[laurbalaur]

Great projection!

[Just_patriot]

Hooray comrades

[Download Do Re Mi]

What is not an article, I’m so happy to rejoice! Enemies will be upset, and begin to troll on the Internet!

[Roman62]

Beautiful machine! The main thing is that there would be a lot of them, and not 6!

[Gocha kurashvili]

Beautiful machine. And what is not useful in the national economy? And for the needs of the army is not enough to be honest. Although thanks for that ...

[garllen]

There are constantly flickering reports that new cars are entering our Syzran school, but I have never seen anything other than the old Mi-8 and Mi-24.

[VAF]

Quote: garllen

I didn’t see the old Mi-8 and Mi-24.

That's just for these, as you put it, "the old 8-kami and 24-kami queue is-the end and the edge is not visible, even amers signed up ...

But behind Ansat ..... something is not particularly visible ..... But on the Ka-226 there is a queue !!!

And there are no flaws (this is mildly so) on the Ka-226, such as on the Ansat

[marshes]

veteran.air force,
Hello!
About Ansat, ours love show-offs, but they are silent about them, although there are 10 cars.

[St Petrov]

Finalize, finalize. No need to panic.

Remember the path of each rotorcraft - a series of trial and error.

Remember what the Mi-24 was at the beginning and what it became in the latest versions.

The same mace ... There is an order - a state order - which means that would not happen - sooner or later it will be completed. Army - in a word.

was

(for Peru, but I could be wrong)


equipment needs time to bloom and show its capabilities laid down by the designer.

[black_eagle]

Good evening! Something similar happened in the history of the Tu-334 and "Superjet", just one of them assembled for 99% of foreign components was very profitable to "push" some of the politicians and businessmen, but not the engineers and pilots, on the Tu-334 there was a huge Iranian order, the development is completely domestic, which cannot be said about the Sukhoi. Something tells me that with helicopters, too, the matter is not clean and the adoption of an unfinished helicopter for service, and especially in training units, was decided not at the aerodrome or in the design bureau, but in the bathhouse with the girls, of course you can disagree with me

[St Petrov]

Of course, to think so is your right.

[Odinplys]

s-t Petrov,
veteran.air force,

When experts argue ... it is better to listen from the side ...
Both plus ...

[St Petrov]

I am sure that the veteran knows more in theory and in practice, there is simply not enough faith that has been trampled with the army for about 15 years.

I'm far from a professional. But 2 years I studied this business. Therefore, I have an interest + in my town one of the largest museums of the Air Force + here in our town there was Zhukovsky’s Academy + father’s Air Force officer

[VAF]

Quote: OdinPlys

When experts argue ... l

Where did you see the specialist ?????

The child is small and unreasonable, I've seen enough of the pictures ... the articles have been read ..... I've heard a lot of speeches ... GDP forward. and imagines himself ......... a super-duper aviation specialist, well, that is not a pilot ...!

[755962]

Sergey, hello! I am not special, but I was also interested in this information. I am for the pilots to train on reliable equipment.

Meanwhile, Eviation Matveev, an Aviation EXplorer portal expert on helicopter issues, believes that Ansat's dissatisfaction has been accumulating for a long time and should someday break through. In an article dated February 22, he stated that the Ansat program, which has been going on for more than 12 years, is “not ready to fulfill its mission — real, intensive flight work, including educational training,” and the KVZ simply hides problems.

And even such information Defense Ministry seeks replacement for Ansatamhttp://www.business-gazeta.ru/text/54962/

[VAF]

Quote: 755962

but I was also interested in this information

Hi Zhenya! And if you went to the forum of pilot instructors. Then you would have heard enough ....!

After all, that's not the point. that a helicopter is bad, but that something that is still "raw", especially in control and for training in this form, is useless in general, and not only in training ...
After all, I have already said that a failure on a plane and a failure on a helicopter in the air are very different things, and if we have a great chance, then the helicopter pilots are MIZER !!! Immediately promotion and ... all ....!

It’s the same as bringing a student and starting learning how to drive a car. only instead of a passenger car, put him immediately in a Formula I car !!!

And if you look at how much state of emergency there was during testing and refinement of Ansat by Viktor Mikhailovich Rusetsky (a leading test pilot, well, with all the regalia, an experienced pilot), then only thanks to his skill he remained alive and the helicopter flies.

But not all cadets will immediately become so ???

It is not for nothing that Kazan Helicopters themselves change the ESDU "to mechanics", because the lead angle of the main rotor control when creating a digital remote control system was determined in a primitive approximate way, and
the helicopter control system itself - remote without mechanical wiring, with double digital redundancy and double redundant independent electrical power

For example, on airplanes, at least 4-fold reservation of CDS systems!

But, the great specialist Petrov. This is not to understand, because the most important thing to bark OK and URAYA !!!

[755962]

Author Office of the Press Service and Information Ministry of Defense. They don’t look at the forum of instructor pilots. Now you can’t completely trust any information.

[VAF]

Quote: 755962

Author Office of the Press Service and Information of the Russian Ministry of Defense

But Petrov regularly visits us!

Well, Zhen honestly. if, as the saying goes .. "they taught the chicken to fly eggs" this is far from it, but when a person cannot distinguish a swashplate from a vending machine from the sale of Coca-Cola ... so much further ....

But he loves to "teach" ....... !!!

[Shumer]

One of the options for home design

[St Petrov]

delivered!)

[Kochetkov.serzh]

ehhhh. I wanted to become a pilot ... well the good news

[King]

handsome konchno

[TekhnarMAF]

Dear forum users! Sorry that is not the topic, but very hotstsa. Maybe someone knows about the flight support RTO (RPM, drive, course-glide-path beacons, etc.), skinte the link. Better yet, an overview article on this topic. I would be grateful in every way! Unfortunately, there is no time catastrophically - the stuff stuck!

[VAF]

Quote: TehnarMAF

does anyone know about RTO flight support

Hold on, but only this is very typical and very short:


At aerodromes, communications and flight maintenance facilities are located as follows:

- command and reserve radio stations on the SKP (KDP, ADF);

- drive radio stations and marker beacons in the alignment of the runway at a distance (800-1000 meters) near. Radio direction finders and survey locators - within the boundaries of the aerodrome, glide path and course locators in the immediate vicinity of the strip.

Long-range drive radio stations operate in the PMV (medium) range in the Morse code mode, transmitting automatically two letters, each for its own PRS. For each end of the runway, autonomous ORS with various letter callsigns work. Near ORS, for example:

- airfield "KLOKOVO"

- frequency 345 kHz long-range PRS "ZM", "YAT"

- frequency …… kHz near PRS "Z", "I"

Drive radio stations are used for passive and active access to airfields, approach systems. Track radio stations are installed for IFR flights in the areas of breaks in airways, entrances and exits from air traffic control zones.

Marker beacons are used to indicate to the crew about the passage of the radio station. The signal is fed to the headphones. Automatic direction finders are used to determine the magnetic bearing of an aircraft in the airspace upon request. In a unified direction finding service, ARPs operate in the VHF band at a frequency of 130 MHz; individual airports may have their own frequency. The principle of operation of the ARP is similar to the principle of operation of an aircraft radio compass. When requesting the aircraft direction finder on the scale with the operator, the arrow indicates the direction to the aircraft.

The range of the ARP-6 (9, 11) depends on the flight altitude, the passage of radio waves and is approximately equal to the range of the VHF radio station.

Course and glide path locators give the distance and altitude of the aircraft relative to the glide path and the course during approach using the landing system. The survey locator gives a mark on the distance and azimuth located in the space of the aircraft and weather conditions.

Starting command post (SKP-9, SKP-11) is usually located on the basis of the Zil-130.

If necessary, the UPC equipment is placed in a stationary building.

The UPC hardware kit located at the aerodrome may include, for example:

two radio stations R-803 VHF;

two radio stations "BAKLAN - 5" VHF;

two radios R-880 DV, CB;

tape recorder for recording radio communications - 500;

coaching radio station (reserve);

direction finder

And this is according to landing systems (mainly the military. But there is also a SP-50)

The radar landing system RSP-6M2 is designed to regulate movement on long and near approaches to the landing aerodrome, as well as for the sequential withdrawal of aircraft (out of the sight of the earth) to the runway of the aerodrome and control their decrease to a height of 150-200 m in difficult meteorological conditions by issuing commands to the crews of aircraft through radio stations.
The structure of the equipment of the radar landing system RSP-6M2 includes:
PRLS-6M2 landing radar station, in which a set of equipment is necessary to ensure air traffic safety control of aircraft in the far and near zones, scheduling and landing support. Dimensions PRLS-6M2 10715 x 2530 x 3600 mm. Weight is 16000 kg.
PEP-6M2 mobile autonomous power station measuring 9290 x 2530 x 3600 mm, weighing 16000 kg.

Product Specifications RSP-10MN
The radar landing system RSP-10MN is designed to solve the following problems:
daytime management in simple and difficult weather conditions
and at night by aircraft flights and their individual identification using aircraft transponders or automatic radio direction finding equipment;
the withdrawal of aircraft in the area of ​​the aerodrome and the management of their reduction when breaking through clouds;
sequential withdrawal of aircraft at the heading and glide path of planning and ensuring their landing on the runway of the aerodrome by issuing commands to the crews of aircraft through VHF and DTSV radio stations;
display on a digital board of navigation information.

[understudy]

veteran.air forc, let me shake your hand! Clariously explained ...: o)

Quote: s-t Petrov

and what cars they started to ride

Yeah, don’t give out beads with mirrors, to maintain admiration for the Wisest ...

[TekhnarMAF]

veteran.air forc: Immensely grateful! Looks like we served at one time. Is there really nothing new in this area? After all, flight safety is the most important component of the Air Force, especially smu or minimally. Thanks again!

[VAF]

Quote: TehnarMAF

Immensely grateful

Not worth it, +!

Quote: TehnarMAF

Looks like we served at one time

I was from 1970 to 2000 (including "school", and 1999, when everyone was already released on "free" bread and employment).

Quote: TehnarMAF

Is there really nothing new in this area?

There were many, but only in single copies, and among citizens, and we still have the highest perfection in ILS, SP-50 and TESLA (though I met her only at Smolensk-Severny., Well, my own RSP PRMG-5,7, although there are already modernized 76U and UM, but I have not met the same, but the 13th year went like a retirement, and with friends this question was never "coughing", because we were in our time and at the "extreme" M / M they could only enter with the OSB ....

And there are many promises, but for now .... wait, see

[TekhnarMAF]

Our guards (guards DRAP) on the TU-16 in the same conditions flew and did their very well to the bottom! Alas, there is no longer a guards regiment. As time is running, like yesterday it was all sad.