Porton Down and poisoning in the British suburbs: is there a connection?

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The incidents of poisoning in Salisbury and Amesbury attracted attention to Porton Down, a mysterious laboratory that suddenly became the epicenter of events.



A government facility in Porton Down has previously been involved in researching deadly secret samples weapons. Today, it is this laboratory that is studying chemicals that allegedly caused poisoning. The British Metropolitan Police Service confirmed that the samples of the substances were delivered precisely to Porton Down, and it was in this laboratory that it was concluded that “two people were exposed to the“ Novice ”nerve agent.

Usually, Porton Down is spoken in the singular as a single object, but in fact a group of different organizations is located in this area near the town of Porton. The two largest of them are Public Health and the military science and technology laboratory, which is subordinate to the Department of Defense of the United Kingdom. But in the past it was all one laboratory, the activity of which still remains a mystery.

Porton Down would definitely take part in the investigation of any incident involving the use of nerve agents in the UK, since he has a lot of experience in this. But what is interesting: Salisbury, Amesbury and the laboratory are very close, literally a few kilometers from each other.

This fact can not but raise questions. Of course, so far there is no evidence that the poisoning occurred near Porton Down is not accidental, but, as the British themselves put it, “highly likes”.

The laboratory has always been surrounded by rumors and speculation. For example, the fact that one of the activities of Porton Down is the cultivation of hemp. This is done, according to one version, to create drugs, but in fact, no one knows.

From what is known reliably: during World War II, the laboratory developed chemical and biological weapons, for example, using botulinum toxin, an organic poison that causes botulism. The poison affects the nervous system, leading to irreversible muscle paralysis and acute respiratory failure.

After the war, Porton Down began to study German developments in the field of toxic substances. In 1952, it was there that the VX gas (vi-gas) was developed, the most toxic ever created artificially.

The British edition of The Independent writes:

“The government has always concealed what Porton Down is actually doing, so it’s difficult for him to refute the laboratory’s accusations of destructive activities and involvement in poisoning. But there is no evidence that something was done in Porton Down except for analyzing the composition of the poisonous substance. ”


It sounds very convincing if it were not for one “but”: the lack of evidence did not prevent the British government from accusing Moscow of creating a portion of Novice and its use.

It is also surprising that representatives of the laboratory and the British Foreign Office make various statements. It was the Foreign Ministry that said, in the opinion of scientists, the “Novice” was made in Russia. However, the scientists themselves very clearly explained that it is almost always possible to determine the type of toxic agent, but almost never where it was obtained and who used it. What is this: a misunderstanding between politicians, an attempt by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to divert attention from the laboratory or the fright of Porton Down?
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  1. +8
    28 July 2018 05: 40
    - "The Russians admit that they poisoned Skripal, otherwise we will poison someone else." wassat
    1. +6
      28 July 2018 06: 01
      Porton Down and poisoning in the British suburbs: is there a connection?

      I have no doubt that this connection exists!
      In general, this chemical and bacteriological laboratory has a very dark past. They also developed OM, which were used during the WWII.
      Port Down is also famous for the strange death and deaths outside the laboratory of more than a dozen of its own employees - scientists who were involved in the development of environmental agents in the laboratory there. The true causes and circumstances of their death remained unknown or not subject to disclosure.
      The population bypasses the laboratory.
      1. +6
        28 July 2018 06: 12
        Quote: Tatiana
        I have no doubt that this connection exists!

        hi In vain .... Apparently, this is a Vasilisa cat brought by the Skripals from Russia, avenging a comrade who heroically fell under the fire of a flamethrower. wassat
        1. +4
          28 July 2018 10: 23
          Quote: Black
          Vasilisa’s cat, brought by the Skripals from Russia, avenges a comrade who heroically fell under the fire of a flamethrower.

          hi , Vyacheslav.
          I don’t know about the vengeful Vasilisa, but Julia Skripal decided to return to Russia. Vague doubts crept in that the "foggy Albion" would release her alive from its clutches. They will arrange another provocative trick (to which the sirs and sherukhs are great masters) and they will burn Julia, like her London cat. Yes
          1. +3
            28 July 2018 15: 44
            No jokes, but about the cat neither hearing nor spirit. It seems to me that it was our cat Bayun ...
            1. +1
              28 July 2018 16: 23
              Quote: sabakina
              It seems to me that it was our cat Bayun ...

              Vyacheslav, welcome.
              Do not worry. Cat Bayun at his post, in the hut of the grandmother-Hedgehog. He sits at the dormer window, gnaws on “seeds from the chieftain” and washed down with a “blackhead”. So everything is calm on the Kukovo swamp. bully
              1. +2
                28 July 2018 16: 28
                Well, glory ... No, why am I again? To God! Cat Bayun, he is Matvey, he’s so ....
      2. dSK
        +2
        28 July 2018 06: 47
        Quote: Tatiana
        The population bypasses the laboratory.

        Production defects and "leaks" are inevitable in any chemical industry.
        1. +1
          28 July 2018 15: 46
          Quote from dsk
          Production defects and "leaks" are inevitable in any chemical industry.

          Well yes. In a secret chemistry lab leaned against a wall and yeah, fatal, floor of the city of corpses ....
          1. +3
            28 July 2018 15: 48
            Quote: sabakina
            half of the city ...

            ... sent by linoleum laughing
            Vyacheslav hi
            1. 0
              28 July 2018 15: 49
              Hello Romka! Is the smoking room still alive?
              1. +2
                28 July 2018 15: 50
                Quote: sabakina
                Is the smoking room still alive?

                That a smoking room is for sure. And so - do not wait (s) tongue
                1. 0
                  28 July 2018 15: 52
                  And I, I, I, of the same opinion! Two weeks on vacation. I think, to whom to surrender?
            2. 0
              28 July 2018 16: 33
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              sent

              hi
              Roman, where and by whom SENT? bully
              1. +1
                28 July 2018 16: 49
                Quote: Lelek
                where and by whom SENT?

                Greetings hi
                Vyacheslav once wrote that he thinks "send linoleum."
                And I, as soon as I saw (in his own performance) "the floor of the city", he immediately remembered this laughing
                We understood each other, everything is smooth, everything is in order.
                1. 0
                  28 July 2018 16: 51
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  right there he remembered that


                  Tady - OH. OK? feel
          2. 0
            30 July 2018 14: 47
            Quote: sabakina
            Quote from dsk
            Production defects and "leaks" are inevitable in any chemical industry.

            Well yes. In a secret chemistry lab leaned against a wall and yeah, fatal, floor of the city of corpses ....
            - Well, in principle, there was a case in Sverdlovsk-19
      3. MPN
        +1
        28 July 2018 13: 21
        Quote: Tatiana
        I have no doubt that this connection exists!
        I feel this is their center in general in the progressive development of their nation ..
        One of the activities of Porton Down is the cultivation of hemp.
        This explains a lot and the behavior of politicians ..., yes, almost everything in general ... wink
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  3. +3
    28 July 2018 05: 58
    To talk about any poisoning in the UK and the involvement of children from Porton Down, for starters, it would be necessary to establish whether there were any poisonings. So far, there has been no conclusive evidence that these poisonings generally occurred ...
    1. +3
      28 July 2018 07: 16
      Quote: Greg Miller
      were there any poisonings in fact.

      In the early days, there were timid reports that the clinic looked more like an overdose of fentanyl or other drugs. And this does not fit into the OS clinic, everything happens very quickly there.
  4. +4
    28 July 2018 06: 28
    Regarding poisoning, even the English layman began to have questions, and what to say about the experts. Apparently, this special operation of the British (possibly together with the American) special services will come out sideways with May and her political circle.
    1. +2
      28 July 2018 06: 32
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Apparently, this special operation of the British (possibly together with the American) special services will come out sideways with May and her political circle.

      Quite possible. Opponents in the election can promote this topic. The temptation is great - to catch competitors in the persecution of their own citizens.
    2. +1
      28 July 2018 07: 07
      Questions? You need to know the British and how they think pervertedly. I’ve been drinking beer in a bar with “typical” English men so far, they’re pretty sure that it’s a Russian “freshman” in England, and their main argument when you say that we are: “Why not, why do you think so? " that is, I must justify myself, and not they must prove guilt. When you start telling them that a “newbie” can be made by any country-formula in the public domain. Yes, and Skripal is uninteresting to our special services, they’re right there: "How do you know this? Why such confidence?" In general, it is impossible to talk with Britons - they are insane in nature.
      1. 0
        28 July 2018 15: 59
        Snail, how small you are! They had to give "our trademark"!
  5. +4
    28 July 2018 06: 31
    In one of the books of the USSR political publishing house I read that 50 years ago, Americans conducted chemical weapons tests on their citizens, spraying poison in public transport. There was a terrible scandal when the information hit the press.
    1. +2
      28 July 2018 07: 17
      Quote: Sergey Novozhilov
      Americans tested chemical weapons on their citizens by spraying poison in public transport

      And not only chemical, and not only in the USA.
  6. +1
    28 July 2018 07: 04
    You might think they only have this laboratory ... given the evil grin of capitalism, they could simply substitute their "colleagues" because of the same financing. On the development of events ... it became clear that Britain was not ready for an attack with the use of toxic substances, therefore it can be assumed that anyone and customers can be the executors ... the main informational consequences went in the right direction due to hysteria and not the competence of government agencies and politicians ... so everyone who started it feels good and with impunity, as evidenced by the continuation of poisoning. Tokyo option is also possible ... maybe it’s going to this.
  7. +1
    28 July 2018 09: 12
    Don’t go to the fortuneteller ... there the poisoner maniac is played ... but admit it ... So it turns out that no one can get anything out of the laboratory ... and poison the population of a small city ... or a big one ... And so everything was hanged in Russian and order ... This is typical of modern authorities ... sweep the trash under the carpet ...
    1. +1
      29 July 2018 20: 41
      Quote: Vard
      Do not go to the fortuneteller ... there the maniac poisoner is played ..

      I don't believe in any newbie. Why did two take samples surrounded by civilians without any costumes? I would venture to suggest that one smeared with one of the components, and the other immediately "took samples." As I understand it, a beginner is a binary munition. The remaining "poisoning" drug overdose. The naglitsanka is crap, and British scientists have long been like an endless joke about "Armenian radio answers." Do eggheads from Porten Down have any new poison? Why not. Amerza conducted the first zombie experiments in Australia. The unfortunate woman did not understand why she killed an unknown person; this is an old story connected with the MS-ultra program.
  8. +2
    28 July 2018 10: 30
    Of course, Porton Down is not related to the poisoning of the Skripals, again, it is not related to the poisoning of two marginals - this is just an accident, just a laboratory was nearby, a coincidence! The same accident as recovering from poisoning with the Novicek chemical warfare agent, they were just lucky!
  9. +2
    28 July 2018 12: 30
    Needless to say, white helmets to Britain, etc. exported, they will earn another Oscar.
  10. +2
    28 July 2018 15: 39
    But in the past it was all one laboratory, whose activities are still a mystery.
    Survived! Not a single Stirlitz left! He worked in the heart of the Third Reich, and now we can’t abandon his agent in the unfortunate laboratory of Great Britain! Uncle Vova, you may remember what you were taught in the KGB! am
    1. +1
      28 July 2018 19: 33
      By Porton Down, Konon Molody worked, as well as Banionis and Bykov in Dead Season. Apparently since then, the regime has been strengthened.
  11. +1
    28 July 2018 18: 17
    Porton Down would certainly take part in the investigation of any incident involving the use of nerve agents in the UK, since he has extensive experience in this.

    But nothing that:
    Prohibition convention Development of, production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons and their destruction
    Adopted in Paris on January 13, 1993

    Even research on this topic is forbidden, and the Britons have repeatedly pierced that, together with the United States, this Novicek got and researched? A direct violation of the convention, and even there is no need to prove it - did they themselves confirm it?
    1. 0
      28 July 2018 18: 19
      The Convention does not prohibit the study of previously developed substances and for this purpose produce them up to 100 grams per year.
    2. +1
      28 July 2018 18: 23
      Quote: Jerk
      Even research on this subject is forbidden

      Not so simple. Many BOVs appeared "by chance" when working on completely peaceful chemical compounds. And as it is little told that, for example, the same mustard gas is used in medicine, TO SAVE LIVES. Or, on the basis of terrible poison - heptyl, the medicine MELDONIUM was created ...
  12. +1
    29 July 2018 00: 33
    I ONLY SHOWN THAT JUST A GOOD FULL BASED VODKA FROM RUSSIA MUCH MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE BENEFIT, THAN AN ENGLISH SPILL POISON SUBSTANCE?
    1. +1
      29 July 2018 20: 44
      Quote: ANATOLY GAVRILENKO
      I ONLY SHOWN THAT JUST A GOOD FULL BASED VODKA FROM RUSSIA MUCH MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE BENEFIT, THAN AN ENGLISH SPILL POISON SUBSTANCE?

      Anatoly, you swung to the holy !!! am Russian vodka is a medicine for the soul, not poison. True in moderate doses. Yes