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"Mace". How are the state secrets of Russia sold ...

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Recently it became known that another espionage scandal associated with Russia is gaining momentum. Now on the “hero of the invisible front” came out the Russian special services in the city of Yekaterinburg. An employee of one of the closed defense enterprises of the capital of the Urals was found to have transferred secrets about the Russian intercontinental ballistic missile "Bulava" abroad. It is reported that this man worked as an engineer in the NGO "Automation" and participated in the development of control systems for ICBMs. It is in the transfer of materials relating to the management of Bulava to foreign citizens that the Ural engineer is suspected, whose name is not disclosed in the interests of the investigation.

By the way, this is not the first time when people who have access to the secrets of the “Bulava” are involved in spy scandals. The last lit episode concerned one of the high-ranking employees of the Plesetsk cosmodrome, Lieutenant Colonel Nesterts. In February 2012, Vladimir Nesterets was sentenced by the court to 13 years of imprisonment for actively cooperating with the US Central Intelligence Agency in transferring data on missile complexes for substantial remuneration. Then the case was qualified by the court as treason.

To which state the Ekaterinburg engineer transmitted the secrets of the ICBM “Bulava”, while also kept secret, but it is quite possible that we are talking about one of the nuclear powers interested in the information concerning the missile control systems. From the officially published data, it follows that the Bulava missile will be put into service at the end of this year. Modern modification of the rocket allows you to carry up to eight, according to others, up to ten individual-maneuvering units with nuclear filling. The trajectory of these blocks is such that none of the existing opponents of potential computers are able to calculate it (trajectory). The secret of such maneuverability lies in the developed method of controlling both the rocket itself and its units.

It is obvious that the method of controlling the rocket was chosen by foreign special services as the main target, which it was necessary, figuratively speaking, to hit with the help of a Russian engineer. In other words, if the main secret of the Bulava was at the disposal of the states concerned, then automatically a solid propellant ballistic missile could cease to be a serious threat to interceptors. And this, in turn, can only mean one thing: the long-term work of the designers and assemblers of this rocket, as well as the billions invested in the design and creation of the rocket, of the Russian taxpayers' funds turn into meaningless spending.

It turns out that even the army of the creators of the newest Russian weapons may be powerless compared to the thirst for personal gain of an individual person. It is difficult to imagine that working at such an enterprise, this person felt a lack of money. Apparently, the main role was played by the usual thirst for profit, which, as this precedent showed, can even sweep away state interests in its path.
It remains to hope that the Russian counterintelligence had managed to stop spying activities at the Yekaterinburg defense enterprise at its initial stage. Otherwise, the security of Russia may be caused such damage, which is comparable to the famous conversion program of the beginning of the 90-x.

By the way, the punishment of imprisonment, which was received for high treason by the same lieutenant colonel Vladimir Nesterets in February 2012 (13 years of the colony), can be considered soft enough if you take into account what damage to the transfer of secret information can lead to the country as a whole. .

During the existence of the USSR, for the disclosure of state secrets of a criminal, the highest measure could be expected - execution. Today, Russian legislation offers a much milder punishment for state criminals. This punishment is from 12 to 20 years of imprisonment and a fine of up to 500 thousand rubles. If we take into account that the damage from disclosure of state secrets may amount to billions of rubles (excluding payments to designers, assemblers, technical staff), then a fine of 500 thousand looks like a mockery of the very concept of state secrets ...

Information sources:
http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1933291
http://www.utro.ru/articles/2012/05/12/1046204.shtml
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  1. Sarus
    Sarus 15 May 2012 08: 20
    +35
    You could use it to disinfect enemy intelligence ...
    But all the same, the fact that at least they catch such traitors suggests that there is still counterintelligence in the Russian Federation and it pleases ..
    1. Dmitriy69
      Dmitriy69 15 May 2012 08: 28
      +39
      Quote: Sarus
      But all the same, the fact that at least they catch such traitors suggests that there is still counterintelligence in the Russian Federation and it pleases ..

      It speaks much louder about how much trash has bred recently. There is no longer just the highest measure needed, it is necessary to plant in public!
      1. YARY
        YARY 15 May 2012 08: 36
        +17
        Twenty years of execution !!! Ten Hanging !!! angry angry angry
        1. YARY
          YARY 15 May 2012 08: 53
          +7
          Lavrush where are you !!! crying
          1. werewolf
            werewolf 16 May 2012 01: 18
            +4
            Do not worry. In the zone they will stick a ramrod in the ear and comply with international standards regarding the abolition of the death penalty. Remember how long the Chechen Titanic lived in our Russian zone.
        2. neri73-r
          neri73-r 15 May 2012 09: 10
          +7
          It is in heaven waiting for him, for betrayal!
          1. Neighbor
            Neighbor 16 May 2012 17: 13
            +2
            A relative of a friend works just once at one of such enterprises!
            Salary - 15.000r - lives with a family in 1-sq. sad How sad it is! - In 2010, there was a conversation. Of course - I do not argue - maybe he does not have access to all sorts of secrets and secrets, BUT EVERYTHING !!! People who work with such things should not - earn so little. For - Judah - there are always and everywhere - especially against the background of such salaries !!!
            And the control should be stricter - once a month - they should check everyone on the Lie Detector. Perhaps this is how it is done. A common practice is among workers who know too much. + wiretapping, periodic monitoring, surveillance - everything should be - although again - the way it most likely is. I won’t be surprised if this ... gay .... - DESU merged - without knowing it! belay laughing Read the Vow of Silence — a book about internal intelligence workers — there they performed miracles — back in the USSR — that hair stood on end.
            BUT. Even if he wanted to sell the desu - One figs - THE PUNISHMENT SHOULD BE - MAXIMUM HARRY !!! am No pity and mercy !!! am
            1. lotus04
              lotus04 22 May 2012 07: 30
              0
              Quote: Neighbor
              For - Judah - there are always and everywhere - especially against the background of such salaries !!!


              Judah can be found against any salary. Here the reason, most likely, is the lack of a moral side. Which state has ceased to promote for about 25 years. According to Western standards, personal profit was put out in the first place, and what is after us is hell with it. On his rack!
        3. sancho
          sancho 15 May 2012 12: 52
          +4
          In the days of the existence of the USSR, the highest measure - execution, could be expected for the disclosure of state secrets of the criminal. Today, Russian legislation offers a much milder sentence for state criminals. This punishment is from 12 to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to 500 thousand rubles. Given that the damage from the disclosure of state secrets may amount to billions of rubles ....

          Honestly zadolbal already with their games in shit democracy .... Shot!

          It turns out that even the army of the creators of the latest Russian weapons may be powerless in comparison with the thirst for personal gain of a single person ....

          Such figures have always been under the triple control of counterintelligence! Relaxed? Or did they manage to .... play with opponents?

          And, unfortunately, the money paid is not comparable less than it should be. Especially to such staff! U, we are only close to the pipes do not look into the forest .....

          From the source. Retelling.
          An acquaintance of mine works at one plant, where they develop new elements for rocket engines. The GIP came to them and began to explain what he came up with there. In general, the meaning is this. It is necessary for the worker to enter the sealed chamber in hermetic clothing and treat the (important) part with "some sort of" terribly toxic rubbish (element cancer motor). At the same time, he (ISU) is told, how much money are you willing to pay to a person who will work with this rubbish? Since there are no decontamination chambers there and there will never be, Hosh is not Hosh, and when undressing one crap will be in contact (hypothetically) with this substance. To which, the management replied: - how much you received, so much you will receive. Then they asked another question: "Maybe it is worth purchasing a special robot with a sealed chamber, and the question will be removed?" In general, the answer is clear!
          Then the whole group of workers said that all of them would simply quit together, and maybe the director himself, together with the ISU, would take turns to go to this cell.
          This is the attitude we have left. Although it should be noted that these workers have been working there for more than a dozen years and have vast experience, they can even bring better design features to the details during testing.

          That's it.
      2. esaul
        esaul 15 May 2012 08: 39
        +20
        Sick to read ... And what has this achieved? Have you become incredibly rich or have you secured yourself and your family by passing on secrets to "the defenders of democracy around the world"? Such a stupid, greedy and primitive brainlessness ...! The time for whispering has already been exhausted - it's time for such geeks either (in the best traditions of democratizers) to go to the electric bullet or to the wall. And rightly so, that now the Duma is beginning to discuss the possibility of travel abroad for carriers of state secrets. The mess must be crushed.
        It is hoped that this hoopoe did not have much time to fuse.
        1. Dmitriy69
          Dmitriy69 15 May 2012 08: 48
          +19
          Quote: esaul
          It is hoped that this hoopoe did not have much time to fuse.

          You can’t hope here, not a jar of sprats. Surely a lot will have to be redone because of this reptile.
          1. esaul
            esaul 15 May 2012 08: 58
            +6
            Quote: Dmitriy69
            You can’t hope here, not a can of sprat

            Dima, salute. I agree ... BUT, I didn’t mean that it’s just stupid to sit and wait - it will manifest itself, it will not manifest itself. Of course, the defense industry will be safe.
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 15 May 2012 08: 58
          +10
          Quote: esaul
          It's sick to read ... And what did this get?

          Good health, Valera! This ghoul with brains remained in the 90s, when everything that could and could not be sold with impunity and sold out, but for the "Bulava" it is a shame, they did not manage to really accept how this corrupt degenerate was leaked ...
          1. esaul
            esaul 15 May 2012 09: 43
            +9
            Quote: Tersky
            This ghoul with brains remained in the 90s,

            Salute, old man. On TV there was a program about one of our residents in the states, who came under the distribution when our network was merged a couple of years ago. This is a high-profile "spy scandal" where Chapman surfaced. The old sourdough guy. He was tortured in prison - the "humanists" broke his ribs and injured his hands. I didn’t give up anyone, as it was said. We rescued him, but he left the country as a result. So, it was noted that all our agents from this nonsense made a lot of all kinds of confessions about their work during the investigation. So there is not only, as it seems to me, banal greed, but also the absence of a cementing idea in the country. Here is her darling and "... The firemen are looking for, the police are looking for ..."
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 15 May 2012 19: 32
              +6
              Quote: esaul
              So here, not only, it seems to me, banal greed, but also the lack of a cementing idea in the country.

              But this cementing idea was leaked by Humpback, dung aphid ....
        3. Sleptsoff
          Sleptsoff 15 May 2012 17: 14
          0
          This person is a reflection of our society today, you and me. We have long turned into a herd of orcs with a nuclear club.
      3. vozn_ser
        vozn_ser 15 May 2012 12: 15
        +1
        DEATH PENALTY Moreover, PUBLICALLY hang !!!!! AND TO WEEK HANG AND STELL !!! AND AFTER THE BODY TO BURN IN THE FURNACES OF THE CREAMATORY, AND THE ASHES TO RINSE IN THE UNITAS !!! am am am
      4. speedy
        speedy 15 May 2012 20: 47
        +1
        for treason to the Motherland - execution! And better indicative! No.
        1. ytqnhfk
          ytqnhfk 17 May 2012 11: 31
          0
          I think that it is necessary to introduce a punishment not only for traitors but also their relatives and that they would sign an agreement not to disclose state secrets, but the punishment is confiscation of all property and terms or execution! My personal opinion.
      5. Cadet787
        Cadet787 16 May 2012 20: 32
        0
        Good evening Dmitry. They will do so in the zone.
    2. ward
      ward 15 May 2012 08: 56
      +5
      Honestly, the news pleases ... I’ll explain ... we do not live so long under capitalism ... where everything has a price ... and our problems are the beginning of the way ... but there behind the cordon people are poisoned to death by this ... and I think it’s not a problem for money to make a bookmark even under the very president of the United States ... so for now we have an advantage ... we still have a conscience ... plus ...
      1. esaul
        esaul 15 May 2012 10: 09
        0
        CORD

        nnnnnnnnn

        Whose will you be? What secretly shoved cons? What does not correspond to the comments of your liberal views? So you speak out loud, it will be interesting ...
        1. father tudy-syudy
          father tudy-syudy 15 May 2012 11: 32
          -11
          Comrades, why should we throw tantrums? The intelligence of the "decaying" West, surprisingly for many immigrants from the USSR, continues to work today. What's so amazing about that? Stirlitz are "there" bully Colossal money is spent, tens of thousands of people are involved in work, the political and military leadership sets, as always, the highest standards for "extraction" and analysis! Well, what are we all here again discovering America? It's just that a person wanted to earn a little "green candy wrappers", as many people on this site like to talk about the Dollar. Business is business, you have to be more humane towards people. Kindness will save the world laughing
          1. Kamaz
            Kamaz 15 May 2012 14: 49
            +2
            We don’t need such a business! am
          2. patline
            patline 16 May 2012 01: 41
            +1
            Kindness, you say save the world? Whose kindness? Who will be the first to be kind? Or is business a business? It is necessary to somehow decide. Or business or kindness. It would be ideal two in one, but somehow it does not come out ... or does not enter. And yet let's reflect.
            Okay, alright, let the business. But then exposing this, I don’t even know what to call a traitor (I'm afraid of a ban) - there is his business risk. Bankrupt, so to speak for 20 years, and confiscation of property to his family, plus shame until the end of his life ... not even ... his betrayal will be told to his descendants and his family will have to change his last name, as a result, his father’s family will be interrupted. I took a chance - burned out.
            Now about kindness. The traitor will remain alive, and thank God (it is a pity that he will remain alive, the honesty of Gavar). Maybe it will be changed for something valuable later.
            So it turns out two in one. And Russian kindness (which will save WORLD) and business. This is so in Russia.
            And how are you across the ocean with kindness and business in one bottle?
        2. nnnnnnnnn
          nnnnnnnnn 16 May 2012 12: 52
          +1
          Quote: esaul
          CORD

          nnnnnnnnn

          Whose will you be? What secretly shoved cons? What does not correspond to the comments of your liberal views? So you speak out loud, it will be interesting ...

          I don’t know whose? my views should not have you in your specific place, I didn’t give you minuses, m is so important estimates, so you have a minus from me, and about traitors, each has its own price, as well as you probably were a communist in the past? and now the ideological Putin? or United Russia? here you are.
    3. Sleptsoff
      Sleptsoff 15 May 2012 17: 05
      0
      The sense of such counterintelligence, if the secrets are already gone, I do not understand what can please here, then that they bent us again? According to the most conservative estimates, a billion rubles of losses to the country, and if the guidance algorithms with which this rocket is unique were stolen, you can even throw it in the trash. In the ass such counterintelligence.
      1. 755962
        755962 15 May 2012 19: 41
        0
        Who did the bastard work for?
  2. Tiberium
    Tiberium 15 May 2012 08: 27
    +6
    It’s necessary to shoot such people.
    1. Diman
      Diman 15 May 2012 08: 53
      +4
      To put on a stake to suffer a little longer !!! am And the complete confiscation of property from him and his immediate family !!! am
      1. Nickname
        Nickname 16 May 2012 09: 50
        0
        Well, at the same time with him and the other Judah to count. Which removes the commander in chief and welcomes the main bad guy.
    2. Hysnik-Tsuzoy
      Hysnik-Tsuzoy 15 May 2012 09: 07
      +4
      It is better to drive on Red Square, followed by cutting off the limbs, as in the good old Grozny times.
    3. Gur
      Gur 15 May 2012 11: 47
      +3
      Here the situation is not only in it, you can start shooting with Serdyukov and the General Staff, the chief of the FSB and so on. This section that sold secrets, a man with his weaknesses, greed in general with vices, and alas, we are all like that, probably everyone has their own price. But these comrades, who are not comrades at all to us, owed their duty to this adversary to calculate only at the stage of thinking about selling secrets, after all, he did not work in enemy territory, a lot of activities could be carried out to calculate. And what kind of defense enterprise is this when the documentation flows freely through the gates ?? How did the supervision services work there / ??? So shoot not up to shoot, a bunch of guilty.
      1. Cadet787
        Cadet787 16 May 2012 20: 49
        +1
        Gur. How did the supervision services work there / ???
        They were once busy with protecting businesses.
  3. Edge_kmv
    Edge_kmv 15 May 2012 08: 30
    +11
    They brought the country! Engineer is now an empty place! A smelly casket is a respected man, a businessman angry Until the situation changes there will be a similar crap
    1. w702c
      w702c 15 May 2012 08: 41
      +9
      and the situation will not change. we live in a cap country
      1. Edge_kmv
        Edge_kmv 15 May 2012 08: 56
        +5
        So the situation turned out goods - money.
        1. Goga
          Goga 15 May 2012 09: 11
          +5
          Edge_KMV - Colleague, she’s an abomination now, that she’s an abomination - Penkovsky alone was worth what (But he didn’t live under capitalism ...).
          Just another good reason why the death penalty must be introduced necessarily.
          1. Manager
            Manager 15 May 2012 09: 53
            +7
            Quote: Gogh
            Just another good reason why the death penalty must be introduced necessarily.


            SW Goga. I totally agree with you. But there is one But! Before the introduction of the death penalty, the ranks of the law enforcement bodies themselves must be thoroughly cleaned. And then you can immediately find a bunch of objectionable people who let down this article!
            1. Goga
              Goga 15 May 2012 11: 08
              +3
              Manager - Colleague, in this respect you are right "+". Yu.V. Andropov, who started a serious purge in the Ministry of Internal Affairs then had someone to rely on - there were still many former front-line soldiers in the KGB who could not be bribed, they then took up the rotten ministry. Who is now, what kind of structure in the state it is even difficult to imagine
  4. Mostovik
    Mostovik 15 May 2012 08: 41
    +3
    I apologize for being off topic, but in such a way as to neigh:
    Newsweek named Barack Obama the first gay president.
    http://lenta.ru/news/2012/05/14/newswk/
    Elections and US elections. Obama's official comment is the hunt to hear.
  5. Dmitry Desnyansky
    Dmitry Desnyansky 15 May 2012 08: 41
    +6
    There is such a job - to sell the homeland
  6. itr
    itr 15 May 2012 08: 44
    +7
    Well, at least they would have caught the atom
    1. Tirpitz
      Tirpitz 15 May 2012 10: 20
      +5
      And how many did not catch?
  7. _Igor_
    _Igor_ 15 May 2012 08: 48
    +3
    Otherwise, the security of Russia may be inflicted such damage that is comparable to the famous conversion program of the early 90's.
    they didn’t shoot anyone for it

    "By the way, the punishment in the form of imprisonment, which was received for high treason by the same Lieutenant Colonel Vladimir Nesterets in February 2012 (13 years in prison), can be considered rather mild, if we take into account the damage that the transfer of secret information can lead to overall. "

    This is indicative, the state believes that betraying it is a crime of moderate severity, and this is no longer respect for oneself and for the people, it is necessary to do something about this, even introduce an "exceptional punishment", otherwise it looks like the government is offended that he did not share with him, even in the form of a tax, and not as an extremely serious crime that threatens the very existence of the state
    1. Timoha
      Timoha 15 May 2012 12: 42
      +1
      Igor,
      agrees. here and I wanted to say that we are losing sight of the scum-legislators who stamp such little laws encouraging the sale of state secrets. They even wrapped Rogozinsky’s bill on toughening the responsibility for corruption in the defense industry. Is it like fighting against pedophilia, how much was the law? What kind of creatures are in the Duma?
  8. RUSmen
    RUSmen 15 May 2012 08: 49
    +3
    Execute cannot be pardoned ...
  9. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 15 May 2012 08: 52
    +4
    It is necessary to refuse the dollar and the euro payments only in rubles, and the ruble itself must be provided with gold. Inside the country, generally ban bucks. It will help to reduce the number of juds, I don’t know, but the economy of Amers is well
    1. Opertak
      Opertak 15 May 2012 08: 57
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      It is necessary to refuse the dollar and the euro payments only in rubles, and the ruble itself must be provided with gold.


      I agree with the first part 100%. And the second part - about the gold security of the ruble - the words of the enemy of Russia. It was the golden ruble that killed the tsarist Russia, and the current convertible ruble annually robs modern Russia.
      1. itr
        itr 15 May 2012 10: 34
        +1
        I am not an economist, but in my opinion it was always believed that the currency should be provided with gold reserves!
        1. Opertak
          Opertak 15 May 2012 11: 23
          +4
          Tsarist Russia was killed by Witte, who also believed. History has shown that he was VERY wrong :))

          "The gold ruble is just a form of ruble convertibility. Gold rubles can be exchanged for any currency, can be taken out of the country. Paper notes were not possible. Witte simply introduced the convertibility of the Russian currency.
          Then everything went strictly according to the algorithm ... - export of capital, undermining of domestic producers. Result: the economic crisis of 1900-1903, the ruin of industrialists, the dominance of foreign capital, but not industrial, but commercial. Since 1904, there has been a new crisis. "Many call Witte the Chubais of the Russian Empire. I agree with them.
  10. asavchenko59
    asavchenko59 15 May 2012 08: 55
    +3
    And his whole family to a pillory to shackle!
  11. party3AH
    party3AH 15 May 2012 08: 57
    +6
    It is necessary to return to the old "good" capital punishment not only for the "sellers" of the homeland.
  12. ism_ek
    ism_ek 15 May 2012 08: 58
    +7
    It is hard to imagine that when working at such an enterprise, this person felt a lack of money.
    Engineer's salary at NPO Avtomatiki 15 ... 20 tr When there are delays in signing defense contracts, people can sit on a salary of 5 tr for half a year.
    1. welesson
      welesson 15 May 2012 10: 37
      +2
      Not only at NPO Avtomatika, engineering and technical staff pay scanty salaries, first the "leaders of the country" talk about their "lack of demand", and then they are surprised at the scale of "damage from disclosure ..."
      1. DYMITRY
        DYMITRY 15 May 2012 12: 37
        0
        Quote: ism_ek
        Engineer's salary at NPO Avtomatiki 15 ... 20 tr


        Quote: welesson

        Not only at NPO Avtomatika miserable salaries of engineers


        Suppose even so, although I strongly doubt it. But! Gentlemen, do you seriously think that a low salary is an excuse for betrayal ????
        1. ism_ek
          ism_ek 15 May 2012 16: 17
          -1
          But! Gentlemen, do you seriously think that a low salary is an excuse for betrayal ????
          A friend came to a military factory after college. They put him to work on new equipment. Only for studying abroad they spent $ 50000. Appointed a salary of 6 tr. Worked for a year, asked for an increase. He was fired on the same day that he would not speak. New equipment for a million dollars is idle for the second year! What a betrayal!
          And the fact that the engineer was trying to make something out of the factory from complete hopelessness .... I do not know whether it is possible to judge a person for this.
          .
          1. Opertak
            Opertak 15 May 2012 18: 26
            -1
            Quote: ism_ek
            Appointed a salary of 6 tr.


            In the USSR, a good worker always received more than a good engineer, and that was CORRECT! If you want to be an engineer and get a lot - be talented. My father explained this to me when I was still choosing a profession in my youth. I believed him and therefore I now have a pension more than the average salary in Russia (pah-pah :)
          2. DYMITRY
            DYMITRY 17 May 2012 07: 47
            0
            Quote: ism_ek
            And the fact that the engineer was trying to make something out of the factory from complete hopelessness .... I do not know whether it is possible to judge a person for this.

            If he made a jar of sewing, or some kind of crap for giving - no. And for betrayal, for the transfer of secrets to foreign intelligence should be judged !!!! And by court order put on a count !!!!!!!
            1. ism_ek
              ism_ek 17 May 2012 09: 25
              0
              I'm not against judging traitors. But first of all it is necessary to judge the "effective" Putin managers, who have brought NPO Avtomatiki and other military enterprises "to the handle". Make no illusions. All that can be sold, they have sold long ago. And now they are fabricating stupid things to show their importance.
              For example, Khabarov’s case http://leonid-habarov.com/, which allegedly wanted to arrange a military coup, is falling apart.
  13. tank64rus
    tank64rus 15 May 2012 09: 14
    +3
    Return the "execution" article and not only for this.
  14. sedoii
    sedoii 15 May 2012 09: 23
    +3
    It seems to me that the matter is not in the laws, but in their application. 20 years is also not sugar.
    That general also needed to slap them and not yet closed court, but to
    everyone knew for what and how much. Whoever is involved with the mystery must understand here
    there is no place for democracy.
  15. Oladushkin
    Oladushkin 15 May 2012 09: 25
    +10
    I'm not in defense of a spy I would like to clarify.
    And how much did he get? How much is his salary? Maybe, in addition to the spy, those who pay a pittance to qualified personnel are to blame? I know for sure that we are very fond of sharing in production - directors live according to capitalist laws and have an indescribable salary, and workers are paid according to socialist - "like you work for an idea." When a worker comes and asks to raise a little salary, they look at him so strangely, with a reproach, they say ah-ah-ay -there you understand everyone is killing for the country and he wants to make personal profit for himself.
    1. welesson
      welesson 15 May 2012 11: 00
      +3
      I agree one hundred percent, it is much easier to look for the "extreme", but the fact that ordinary employees live on "minimum living wages", and commanders from foreign countries do not crawl out, and all the children, who have been presented with housing from their cars, don’t bother anyone ... Also not in defense of the spy.
  16. Sergio
    Sergio 15 May 2012 09: 28
    +3
    ward,
    Quote: ward

    Honestly, the news pleases ... I’ll explain ... we do not live so long under capitalism ... where everything has a price ... and our problems are the beginning of the way ... but there behind the cordon people are poisoned to death by this ... and I think it’s not a problem for money to make a bookmark even under the very president of the United States ... so for now we have an advantage ... we still have a conscience ... plus ...


    I’m hacking ... Ward ... your writing style is freezing ... it's unpleasant to read ...
    A large number of ... dots in the text should symbolize ... the author’s fine emotional organization ... leave an impression ... understatement ... and give the reader food for the mind ... Or express despair ... insecurity ... and doom ... Or ... the initial stages ... schizophrenia ... Actually ... used by the authors instead commas ... which are unclear where to put ... There is also an opinion ... that the abuse of dots ... stems from the inability ... to express your thoughts in writing ... A letter ... incoherent ... short ... sentences ... with lots of dots ... or a letter with big long sentences ... instead of the correct punctuation marks separated by dots ... in psychiatries ... they call ... schizophrenic punctuation ... In especially severe cases ... that is ... in almost every first ... much more than three points are put ...................
    Also ... on ... the Internet ... ... are widespread ... individuals ... replacing ... in general ... ... any ... signs ...
    kicking ....... ... (including spaces) ... with ellipses ....
    1. Stercoder
      Stercoder 18 May 2012 09: 06
      0
      oh well you atrocities, we can his button sinks ....)
  17. andrey586
    andrey586 15 May 2012 09: 29
    0
    It is necessary to expel all employees of such enterprises through a lie detector in order to immediately sift potential traitors.
  18. dobrik10
    dobrik10 15 May 2012 09: 32
    +2
    The salary at the enterprises of this sphere is actually not that big; in gold, most of the direct participants in the assembly do not bathe for sure.
    As usual, all the main loot settles in the leadership and others like them.
    Traitors will be much less when they begin to appreciate people!
    Yes, and then the rot will be visible to the naked eye, such a billion is not enough.
  19. Ataturk
    Ataturk 15 May 2012 09: 32
    +9
    I read the article.
    Dear friends. Betrayal is not good. Poverty lifestyle confronts many with this. Although this does not justify the act of the traitor. I believe that it is necessary for all the people who accordingly create a new product, they need to raise their salaries. Sometimes money is an incentive to create innovative ideas.
    And the traitors must be publicly executed so that there is another lesson.

    Sincerely.
    1. Vyalik
      Vyalik 15 May 2012 14: 07
      +2
      In my opinion, if you pay people even for 1 bucks, then if they are offered to sell their HOMELAND for 000000 they can do it. Someone from the smart said "the one who has a million is richer than the one who does not have it." It is necessary to introduce the death penalty not only for traitors, but also for their family members, a punishment adequate to the deed. Although if an inhuman sells HOMELAND to him deeply we are ... on the family. I do not remember exactly, but on some blades there was an inscription "Honor and the Motherland. "And if the chela has neither one nor the other?
  20. Justme
    Justme 15 May 2012 09: 33
    +6
    I don’t know what a simple engineer could have stolen, but the 90s were remembered by that, first of all, the entire leadership of the research institute dragged any documentation and technical samples to the side.
    And such amusing personalities wandered around .. Only among my foreign friends here are a couple who collected information for MI-6, .. a nondescript pleasant Chinese woman from the clothing market turned out to be a master of hand-to-hand combat and in general - an officer of the Chinese army, she said that before Russia - she worked in the USA ...
    I worked in the 2000s on a dual-use project. Good test results and respect from the customer were obtained ... But my grandfather-boss had an illness - to merge documentation anywhere, .. including abroad ...
    I went to complain about him to the FSB - to no avail.
    Now I’ve returned to our dear aerospace .. And to the question - what was there in my absence - .. well, for example - .. we have Chinese interns here in technology and development ..
  21. Liberal
    Liberal 15 May 2012 09: 40
    +4
    Traitors - on the rack! Do you want dollars? A beautiful life in any NATO country ?! They might have thought that they would have time to escape and settle in the enemy US alongside the daughter of the Minister of Foreign Affairs and the family of Senator Vavilov. But counterintelligence is still at a combat post ...
  22. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 15 May 2012 09: 44
    +3
    I admire our teachers from England, the USA, etc. Very competently conducted a policy of decay of the country. This is the only thing that can be said in such a situation.
  23. RUSmen
    RUSmen 15 May 2012 09: 45
    +2
    If foreigners are so actively interested in the mace, then this unit is good and they are afraid of it. Even perhaps theirs PRO are not effective against maces. Therefore, they try to find out the strengths and weaknesses of the rocket. It even takes pride.
  24. Yarbay
    Yarbay 15 May 2012 09: 46
    +7
    Many benefits today betrayal promises, A feat has become devotion to man.
    Visakhadatta
  25. Olegovich
    Olegovich 15 May 2012 09: 48
    +6
    Damn, in the same America I would have walked such a mu ... like in an orange suit with a chain on his legs for 5-8 life terms, and with us - 12 years! fool
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 15 May 2012 09: 59
      +5
      Quote: Olegych
      Damn, in the same America I would go such a man ... like in an orange suit with a chain on his legs 5-8 life terms,

      Good day, colleague! The question would be walking, or sitting on an electric chair wink
      1. Vyalik
        Vyalik 15 May 2012 14: 10
        +1
        Rosenberg spouses on a chair condemned.
  26. Senzey
    Senzey 15 May 2012 09: 58
    +2
    Betrayal, treason at all times was punishable by death or exile. Today, exile is not a serious punishment.
    And in such cases, the punishment should be maximum.
    And at such secret facilities, it is apparently necessary to strengthen security at times, if cases of selling secrets are more frequent. Now everything can be drained via the Internet, very big temptations for the irresponsible employees, greedy for money.
  27. heruv1me
    heruv1me 15 May 2012 10: 01
    +3
    Shoot the bastard !!! Or give it to lynching employees of the OKB.
  28. koksalek
    koksalek 15 May 2012 10: 21
    +1
    Although I am patient on comments, I would tear these eggs off for selling secrets. , besides personal gain, they have nothing in their hearts, only venality. Sorry for the comment.
  29. tarnishes
    tarnishes 15 May 2012 10: 22
    +4
    In vain, the shooting was canceled, only with such methods we must fight! And the next one, who was roaring to betray his country, will think, given the death penalty! And so, 500k is a trifle for them!
  30. Tirpitz
    Tirpitz 15 May 2012 10: 29
    +4
    The importance of the information transmitted by the spy can be judged by the timing of adoption. If the tests go well and the deadlines are delayed, then it may take time to rework the control systems (improve protection). Then it's a problem. When the British got access to the Enigma codes, no improvements allowed the Germans to keep the negotiations secret for a long time - everything was embroidered, the British learned the principle of work - the rest was a matter of time. So it can be here.

    The most dangerous thing is that it will be adopted as such. If only the generals would be able to report back and receive awards with ranks, maybe there would be no war, but after a while the mace would become obsolete and we would accept a new missile.
  31. vorobey
    vorobey 15 May 2012 10: 36
    +1
    You can’t do so comrades. we are striving for liberal values ​​and democracy, and it’s not humane to shoot, to plant.

    In a barrel of shit and in live broadcast on TV around the city, ride Judah, and behind him so that the whole family goes with their parents, wife and children. And let them live after that, launder.
    1. Vyalik
      Vyalik 15 May 2012 14: 13
      0
      Well, you, this is not humane. It is necessary in a barrel of lime, and let the family harness and carry around cities and towns.
  32. esaul
    esaul 15 May 2012 10: 39
    +6
    I came across some interesting "shpiyon" material

    laughing ----------
    The US Central Intelligence Agency, in conjunction with the apparatus of the National Intelligence Agency, held the first intelligence conference of Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals and Transgender (LGBT). Among the participants were representatives of sexual minorities from 9 intelligence agencies, as well as the leadership of the CIA and the UPR.

    CIA Deputy Director Sue Bromley welcomed the conference participants, noting the special importance of the event for solving common problems:
    - Speaking about the tasks set for us, I primarily pay special attention to the CIA's main resource, namely, personnel. In order to get the most out of our employees, we must be sure that they have created an environment in which they can feel safe, confident and comfortable in order to make their own unique contribution to solving common problems.
    The participants agreed that only the full functioning of the entire intelligence community can bring the expected results. The discussions touched upon the topics of experience in the intelligence environment in creating a benevolent atmosphere for representatives of non-traditional orientation. Ways to implement this policy, the possibility of learning from practical experience, and issues of improving understanding of representatives of sexual minorities were examined.
    In addition, participants exchanged ideas on ways to mobilize comprehensive support and assess the contribution of employees who are representatives of the LGBT group.
    Representatives of the State Department, the White House, the Lesbian and Gay Society of Foreign Policy Agency (OLGAVP) and the LGBT Intelligence Workers Network Network (RSO LGBT RV) participated in the discussion about the benefits of LGBT people.
    The CIA pays a lot of attention to ensuring a variety of requirements for the tasks. This was reflected in the efforts made by the CIA to attract, hire, develop and retain employees with the skills, knowledge and skills necessary to successfully achieve their goals.

    Source: perevodika.ru. ---------- wassat The guys seemed to be racking their brains on how to make "ends meet" laughing
    1. Odesit
      Odesit 16 May 2012 20: 10
      0
      Yes, there is no longer where! "Great Democracy" turns into PID ... CRACY!
      God forbid this.
  33. vostok
    vostok 15 May 2012 10: 40
    +3
    We have a lot of such scum! Shoot unambiguously!
  34. wind
    wind 15 May 2012 10: 45
    +2
    And why not shooting, confiscation of property and restriction of the rights of all immediate relatives am
  35. April10
    April10 15 May 2012 10: 47
    +4
    Since 91goda to sell the homeland, classified materials and everything related to defense is the values ​​of democracy, this is earnings. For this they pay well-humpbacks, Yeltsin, rooks and many, many of them.
  36. DERWISH
    DERWISH 15 May 2012 10: 53
    +1
    THIS SHOULD BE SHOT !!! THESE ARE SELLERS WHICH ARE NOT AND WILL NOT BE FORGIVENESS !!! am am am
  37. dengy12
    dengy12 15 May 2012 11: 14
    +2
    Well, since we have abolished the death penalty, we must give such damps at least for life and, moreover, with confiscation
  38. volcano
    volcano 15 May 2012 11: 36
    +2
    Brothers have been discussing this news the other day. All are unanimous - "to wet the goats" and confiscation will not hurt. There should be no liberalism here in principle. Everyone should understand that by betraying the Motherland, he will be destroyed physically and in no other way.
  39. SectoR
    SectoR 15 May 2012 11: 51
    +2
    The highest sin is betrayal "30 pieces of silver of Judas Iscariot", he has already punished himself ...
    It is high time to lift the moratorium on the death penalty ...
  40. dld35057
    dld35057 15 May 2012 11: 56
    +3
    yes of course a traitor. but that wasn’t all in 2003 or in 2004, I already forgot, sorry, the media reported that in the center of Moscow the institute was raided by the research institute, employees were kicked out of the building in broad daylight and unknown people were barricading themselves by cracking paper showing that this building already belongs to completely different firms and people. employees of research institutes that developed email. schemes for maces called the police arrived the outfit spoke with the raiders and drove away. Further, the employees called the FSB - they didn’t come at all. The employees of the research institute asked the raiders to enter the building and collect documents and samples, after much persuasion they were allowed to take their own for a while. it is not known what households. the subjects arranged it, but for a short time the activity of the research institute was disrupted. NII also had instruments with nuclear materials at its disposal, and that’s all in the center of Moscow. this is how the mace was built. that the comrades who were interested in could see during the absence of workers, this is interesting.
  41. Sniper 1968
    Sniper 1968 15 May 2012 11: 57
    +3
    Traitors have always been. They were fewer or more, but they were ... Alas. The big family is not without a freak. Someone because of banknotes, someone because of the idea, someone lacks adrenaline (like General Polyakov, here's a fool ! ...) All those who betrayed must be PUNISHED so that they do not have illusions about quiet old age. Those who managed to hide in foreign lands should also be PUNISHED ... Millions may suffer from one traitor ... Good luck to everyone .
  42. Dub4ik
    Dub4ik 15 May 2012 12: 19
    0
    "If the interested states have at their disposal the main secret of the Bulava, then an automatically solid-propellant ballistic missile may cease to be a serious threat to interceptors."
    but this is already a shame sad
  43. baron.nn
    baron.nn 15 May 2012 12: 22
    0
    The tribunal needs to judge this paskuda !!! And at the highest level, with the defeat of the rights of all his immediate family
  44. Averias
    Averias 15 May 2012 12: 22
    +1
    It's time for such cases to lift the moratorium on the death penalty. He knew where he worked and by whom he worked. And go for it, in a word an abomination. But the fact that Bulava is so actively interested, says that there is something in it that they are afraid of. There is. It’s like with a cavitation torpedo rocket. We came up with and we did. And they have it so far only in development and far from production.
  45. Celmz
    Celmz 15 May 2012 12: 46
    0
    Such must be deprived of everything, so that other scum would not be ashamed of what it is 13 years when the amers got rich ...
  46. KAZAKHSTAN
    KAZAKHSTAN 15 May 2012 13: 18
    -1
    Cut off the hands on the elbow and leg knee to remove the kidney, ears and tongue and leave to live let everyone see
  47. Yoshkin Kot
    Yoshkin Kot 15 May 2012 13: 24
    +1
    it is time to return the death penalty for the killing of two or more persons and for cooperation with foreign intelligence services
  48. patriot2
    patriot2 15 May 2012 14: 19
    0
    Alex + article
    Life should be given for this, with work in uranium mines or quarries, and with the exemplary behavior of the convict, he was logging. am
  49. vlaval1
    vlaval1 15 May 2012 14: 34
    -1
    of Russia

    You are the horror of the world, the shame of nature,
    You reproach to the god on the earth.
    A. Pushkin

    Well, homeland, fatherland, homeland,
    What songs will I sing for you?
    You deserve - no, I will not reproach,
    You deserve my hatred:
    For all the centuries of lies and crimes
    For the geniuses persecuted by you
    For the fate of rotting in slavery generations
    And the generations going to slaughter,
    For a fanatical, dumb faith
    For the power of tyrants, and for the power of the crowd,
    For the fact that you are any fanatic
    You build mausoleums and pillars
    For your Byzantine treachery,
    For your Roman ambitions
    For the vile shamelessness of the state,
    For the principle: let the scum, but their own,
    Because you and the person are incompatible,
    For a choice: bend or push,
    Because the facts are all known to you,
    But you don’t want to learn a lesson,
    For being a threat to the whole planet
    Was and still is
    Because your children are for you
    No more than logs in your fire.
    Having absorbed all the worst features of religions,
    Carrying duplicity in his coat of arms
    You confuse the words "big" - "great"
    And hopelessly like yourself.
    You believed and believe in excellence
    But now, as before, everywhere
    All the same slavery, and all the same bestiality,
    All the same stupidity, and still the same lie.
    Your prophets are sire and wretched
    Your roads are nowhere, into darkness.
    What have you come to in the end now?
    Yes, in general, as usual, to nothing.
    The swamp. Darkness. Bad constancy.
    The smoke of fires swirls. Silence.
    Both time and space are closed here,
    All changes - one visibility,
    It's like the clock stopped here
    The figures at the helm interfere:
    Fourth Ivan or Dzhugashvili
    Trembling at night outside the walls of the Kremlin?
    And again you, tired without the power of a fierce
    (Although any power is your fierce)
    Calling Beria with Malyuta invitingly
    And you look forward to the delights of the whip.
    Two years later or forty
    Will they be in business again?
    What will happen next? The same deadly hassle
    Meaningless mediocre chaos.
    And let fellow citizens, moaning from torment,
    You swear love again and again
    But I am not a slave, and therefore I do not know
    Concepts like love.
    Oh no! You can’t achieve forever,
    Let my voice join the laudatory choir!
    In all respects, the country of the killer
    Guilty. Yes, the verdict will be fulfilled.
    1. xmmmm
      xmmmm 15 May 2012 14: 48
      0
      If this real secret was leaked, then for the eggs on Red Square, you need to hang it as a warning to others and to punish him.
  50. Evgeny B.
    Evgeny B. 15 May 2012 18: 51
    0
    Money is the time spent at work in isolation from the family (with all the ensuing consequences). If we take the maximum salary of a worker working in the defense industry, a scientist making discoveries + bonus, and all this multiplied by the time these people work until retirement (i.e., active productive age), then we will receive the monetary equivalent of the life of the manufacturer. Since the secret that turned out to be known enemies is already useless for us, the money spent on it is lost forever. Dividing these losses by the monetary equivalent of the life of a worker, engineer, scientist ... we get the number of lost lives of people of one or another specialty.
    So, on one side of the scales lie the ruined lives of honest people, and on the other - the term of the conclusion of the Traitor in its monetary equivalent.
    Democracy says scales are in balance.
    What do you think?
    And if they are not in balance, then why on earth do we need such a democracy?
    Substitute and count, how?