India: "Kalash" will not take, not the caliber

Indian edition The Economic Times claims that India has excluded Russia from the number of countries from which it is ready to purchase a batch of rifle assault weapons. Recall that earlier, India expressed its willingness to consider the option of acquiring approximately 72,5 thousands of machine guns (assault rifles) and almost 94 thousand carbines for the armed forces. It was noted that India as the main version of the automatic weapons considers the products of the Kalashnikov concern. However, now in New Delhi decided to change the mind.

It has been announced that as the main potential suppliers of assault rifles and other small arms today India considers such countries as the USA, Israel, Germany and South Korea. The list of manufacturers includes, for example, Sig Sauer and Colt.

From the material:

Russia reacted positively to our initiative to purchase automatic small arms, but there is no ammunition of a suitable caliber, so there is no point in considering Russian proposals.

Earlier it was reported that Russia could invest in the creation of weapons factories in the Indian territory under license from the Kalashnikov concern. Production capacity was declared at 50 thousand barrels per year.

PS Here we must take into account the nature of the negotiations of the Indian partners. As is known, this character is such that first there are publications that India refuses to cooperate on a particular type of weapon, then time passes and the Indian media write that New Delhi decided to return to negotiations on the deal.

Comments

[Captain Pushkin]

"Russia has responded positively to our initiative to purchase automatic small arms, but there is no ammunition of the appropriate caliber, so it makes no sense to consider Russian proposals."

Well, when the Indians showed this initiative, they certainly didn’t yet know that they did not have cartridges for a Kalashnikov assault rifle ... The reason was good.

[maxim947]

The freaks of India have become commonplace, but you can’t lose this market, it’s clear that not everything depends on us, here the lobby inside India itself and their stupid habit of making WMT vinaigrette, and of course the fact of increased world competition in this market is undeniable, but what AK-12 (AK-74) is one of the best (if not the best) in terms of price-quality-reliability proven by time.

[Sergey39]

This Indian military news reminds jokes about British scientists

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Sergey39

This Indian military news reminds jokes about British scientists

This news is like a mirror of the soul. You read and even see that there the scale of corruption reaches cosmic values. Their politicians and officials make absolutely idiotic financial decisions that are not subject to logic ...

[maxim947]

Absolutely right.

[DMB_95]

Quote: Geisenberg

. Their politicians and officials make absolutely idiotic financial decisions that are not subject to logic ...

The decision to abandon Kalash and from a purely pragmatic point of view does not seem particularly smart. Indeed, in India the climatic conditions are very difficult for small arms, and Kalashi is still the most reliable.

[parkello]

Michael, this is pure gonevo ... they can get callas in absolutely any caliber from 223 rem, including 5,52 * 39 AK-74 and 7,62 * 39 mm of the 1943 sample. You can also get it for any ammunition that is made in that country. even 308 wines or a pistol 9 mm Luger. they just as always do not want to at first. then ... and then where they go, they will come running and praise and buy again, because it's cheap and cheerful. and so let them rummage around .. the market is quite large, the Belgian weapons of FN, or the German Heckler und Koch. American and Israeli are very good ... by the way, the Indians also had Galil, an old modification for arming green berets. and I personally had a FN file, then G-3. then NK-11, I dreamed and dream of a callash about AK-15 for example .. or at least AKM. AKM personally suits me completely. I have so far not seen better characteristics than AKM on any machine. in something separately there may be. but in general ... AKM is an immortal weapon.

[Zaurbek]

They want the main rifle under 7,62x51 .... we do not have such combat. Kalash will fall apart.

[parkello]

Zaur, such a callash can be made under 308. but he is redundant .. very redundant. this is a machine gun cartridge, yes, good and rifle for type SVD rifles. but as an assault rifle with such a cartridge this is just some kind of perversion. let them ask .. they will make a rifle under any cartridge. In my opinion, for the callashoids, the most optimal cartridge is Elizarova-Semina, sample 1943 g 7.62 * 39 mm (41 was originally. Then made 39 mm) and a new promising 6,8 mm ... the rest is rubbish. all 5,56 and 5.52 (aka 5,45) in addition, the AKM cartridge has a lot of different types of bullets from subsonic to armor-piercing incendiary and instantaneous ignition (MZ) more ladies' calibres - 223 rem and 5.52 AK-74 with such an assortment can’t boast. Well, I don’t know .. the Indians know better, although as for me the news is another duck of the Hindu media. Americans would have switched to AKM if pride allowed them ... and raspilivat budget will become more problematic with the transition to AKM. I personally have an old. kind AKM quite satisfied with any operation. only a little bit to modify yourself if necessary. and that's it. AK for all times is a terrible weapon. especially in the hands of the pros. he drank a lot of blood in the peasant’s hands all over the world, and in the hands of the pros he becomes a very deadly weapon. so all their tales about caliber and ammunition are nonsense of pure water. there other interests are hidden.

[Zaurbek]

I don’t argue ... but they really have such a standard ... and we do not have real weapons for such a caliber and no one will do it.

[parkello]

as far as I know, they make good rifles for army snipers under this cartridge. (Marxman) because this cartridge is redundant ... it is very powerful. we have this very ammunition in service, but all these FN Fal and G-3A3. under a single cartridge and for machine guns FN Mag. MG-3 and NK-11, they are not suitable as assault rifles. and 5,56 is too weak ... generally worthless. therefore, I told you that the best option is the Soviet cartridge of the 1943 model, Elizarova-Semina 7,62 * 39 mm, which retained the destructive power and variety of bullet equipment for cartridges and having a lower recoil momentum than 308 Winchester. (7.62 * 51 mm) for rifles such as Marxman and machine guns this is an excellent ammunition, very good, I could not get enough of it directly ... well, I warmed my soul. accuracy, range, everything with him. but not for an assault rifle ... or from this assault rifle you can shoot only from the stop lying down. if a maneuvering battle ensues, then he will simply not ride. as a means of defense, strengthen the points there, shoot from the embrasures. a great thing, but if you need to run, grab or go back to shoot .. I prefer AKM both as a weapon and as ammunition. But the fact that you do not do automatic machines under such a cartridge is done right, do you need it on the fix? won FN did vintari and does, but ... firstly expensive, secondly difficult (especially old FN Fal and Standard) to handle. delicate, they quickly wedge and fail from pollution. the only weapon for this ammunition. with which you can still fight is the G-3 from Heckler und Koch. and Shaw Tama Indians, so let your ammunition be created and a weapon will be created for it. And so, look for a weapon under 308 Vin, so that it would be better AKM .. make holes in the water. do not worry . another 30-40 years AKM will be in demand by many armies that will start to fight ... if their brains are still completely un-formed.

[Zaurbek]

A sniper and an assault rifle are two big differences.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Geisenberg

Their politicians and officials make absolutely idiotic financial decisions that are not subject to logic ...

Why are not subject to? Everything is readable. Their politicians belong to the category of the old guard, and the majority of officials were educated in the United States. I agree with you that the corruption component is present here, but it seems that there are two centers in Delhi that make decisions that absolutely contradict each other in content, which is fraught with loss of sovereignty for India not only when deciding on the country's defense capabilities, but also on its participation in BRICS. Brazil was almost euthanized as soon as Dilma Rousseff was dismissed.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Nyrobsky

, and the majority of officials were educated in the United States.

Actually, in the USSR there were enough Hindu students.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Nyrobsky

, and the majority of officials were educated in the United States.

Actually, in the USSR there were enough Hindu students.

So they live their lives in Indian politics in public service, and the officials who surrounded them are formed from those who went through Yale and Oxford. In Durkain for the last 15-20 years, the bureaucratic apparatus has been formed at least horizontally, at least vertically, taking into account loyalty to Bandera, Shukhevych. What this led to, everyone has already seen in full. The Urkain crisis gave birth to a couple of thousand bureaucrats relying on 300-500 thousand. motivated boobies, despite the fact that tens of millions sat out in the corners, now they are afraid to stick their nose out.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Nyrobsky

and the officials who surrounded them were formed from those who passed Yale and Oxford.

In Aglitz schools, students from the Russian Federation are in 5th place among foreigners.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mordvin 3

In Aglitz schools, students from the Russian Federation are in 5th place among foreigners.

This is the same strategy for growing a controlled elite. Only now the mattresses hastened a little in order to put Russia in a stall ahead of schedule, thereby reducing this program to almost nothing. If they had waited another 10-15 years, then for complete taming and collapse of Russia, they would not have needed sanctions, since "properly educated kids" themselves would have done everything. Now not a fact. Soon, probably, the process of recognizing "their" diplomas as not valid in Russia will be motivated. Today, serious uncles of analysts in the West are discussing one topic - “How did we lose Russia,” and this is the failure of the work carried out for decades, on which they ditched billions of dollars.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Soon, the process of recognizing "their" diplomas as invalid in Russia will probably be motivated.

I doubt it very much. But we are moving away from the topic. Let's round off.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I doubt it very much. But we are moving away from the topic. Let's round off.

OK!

[Dali]

Quote: Nyrobsky

So they live their lives in Indian politics in the civil service, and the officials who surrounded them are formed from those who went through Yale and Oxford. ...

Well, how can I say ... in my hometown, in the last two years, so many Hindu students have appeared ... it has become very evident ... why they were so drawn to Russia ...

[HDZ]

About 10 years ago, an Indian medical student, Yoga, nailed to our courtyard in the center of St. Petersburg. Dark-skinned, skinny, plump, homeless, then lived in a shalman hut in our yard for a couple of years ... They say his relatives somehow found and took him home to rehabilitate.

[Grandfather Makar]

Master Barin, we’ll sell to Pakistan our latest pulmetits and anti-tank systems and MANPADS! They will buy with pleasure! .. Hindus like girls on marriageable heh heh
We will even sell the latest AK gold-plated Pakistan to this business ha ha ha
And tarpaulin boots with horseshoes from demobilization and caps with earflaps))))

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Ded-Makar

Hindus like girls on marriageable heh heh

I only had patience for half a minute of this circus with mummers. Clowning!

[thrush]

Quote: Ded-Makar

Hindus like girls on marriageable heh heh

Oh, Vital ... warriors ..



tank ballet is resting ..

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: thrush

tank ballet is resting ..

These are not soldiers, they are clowns. And they have the same parades

[Hire]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

These are not soldiers, they are clowns.

Well, good. Let the clownery show with our props.

[thrush]

Quote: Hire

Quote: Alexander Romanov

These are not soldiers, they are clowns.

Well, good. Let the clownery show with our props.

they show ..

[Tank hard]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

These are not soldiers, they are clowns.

Well, you definitely know.

[dr.star75]

“These are not soldiers, they are clowns. And they have the same parades” - come on, clowns! And we have a parade on May 9th? Also clowns? And when our guard of honor are changing at post No. 1, are clowns too? Do Americans throw carbines? clowns too? You do not confuse ceremonial units and fighting. And is someone else doing such a ballet with a gun?

[sabakina]

Michael, why did everyone get out of hand? This is just a show, well, like a fashion show, everyone is watching, but no one is wearing it.

[dr.star75]

Well, actually, I’m talking about this.

[sabakina]

Michael, if they are so excited from the modest Indians, let's see what they say for the blacks ...

[dr.star75]

I don’t know what they’ll say, but euro vision for such an arrangement will easily win the first places. How is your summer? Frosty?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: thrush

tank ballet is resting ..

These are not soldiers, they are clowns. And they have the same parades

It’s you in vain Sasha. They have three wars with Pakistan and a couple of serious conflicts with China. In addition, endless conflicts with separatists and the fight against Islamic terror. Under such conditions, a strong core always crystallizes.

[dr.star75]

The French were wise with the bulls, and how did they end up? No one supported them in the world. These are with blasters from the same series.

[Meshcheryak]

It’s you in vain Sasha. They have three wars with Pakistan and a couple of serious conflicts with China. In addition, endless conflicts with separatists and the fight against Islamic terror. Under such conditions, a strong core always crystallizes.[i] [/ i] Yes, the specialists there are really not bad and there is no combat experience, you have to respect them, the specialists everywhere are seriously trained, and of course in such a hot place ... And at the expense of the clowns - soldiers of Napoleonic times too they looked extravagant according to modern ideas, but no one will argue about their coolness now, among the Indians - this is the full dress - a tribute to traditions.

[rumpeljschtizhen]

I think so, they won’t buy Tavor uvs in bulk .. but Galil’s varinata (that they left for Latin America) with a milled box that .... maybe (and they are more durable than stamping here, I agree with these) like these you are offered for export

[NETZAH NETZAH_2]

The Tavor Indians have already bought quite a lot (over 9000) for special forces. And the Indians will not buy Galil.

[andron-30]

this is Hochma, but they still fired, though the enemy was bursting with laughter by that time.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: thrush

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Quote: Ded-Makar
Hindus like girls on marriageable heh heh


Oh, Vital ... warriors ..

A cannon is not funny at all. It can be quickly prepared for shooting, quickly shoot back, quickly change position.
And nobody will perform all these jumps and tricks in a combat situation.
As for the fighting qualities of the Indians. In 1970, they rolled out Pakistanis as small children. And the Pakistanis are not the last fighters.

[Antiliberast]

Quote: thrush

tank ballet is resting ..

You did not pay attention to the coherence of the crew, and if they, in preparation for the shot, also sang about the Ganges, they would not have had a price.

[Grandfather Makar]

Quote: thrush

Quote: Ded-Makar

Hindus like girls on marriageable heh heh

Oh, Vital ... warriors ..



tank ballet is resting ..

Thank God this video wasn’t seen in the 70-80s, otherwise they would have done the same thing in the exercises by training “spirits” .. ha ha ha

[TOR2]

Quote: thrush

tank ballet is resting ..

You can’t go to the circus ...

[dr.star75]

India and Pakistan were a single country, or rather, the British, when they left India, convinced the Hindus that they were a separate nation, and Pakistan turned out. Then they pitted among themselves. what does it not remind?

[vadim dok]

But is it that Pakistan is a 99% Muslim country, and India is Hindu? And why are Pakistanis and Indians frightened with twin brothers? Learn the materiel, please.

[gladcu2]

But it’s weak to find a video where at the border’s closure, did the Pak accidentally load his Indian head with his foot, and then run away?

Something for a long time I do not see this video. Probably deleted.

But the moment is valid. Especially as the pack runs away from there.

[320423]

even though I don’t like Fenya, well, roosters are in kind !!!

[HDZ]

this is their mud flaps on the backs of their heads!

[huginn]

They have a battle there!

[kostik-oz]

Grandfather, and where does India (in the video). As I understand it, the flag of Pakistan.

[izya top]

Quote: maxim947

Freaks of India

in this case no tricks they have a small aglitskoe.
being in hindu, asked their military how much the rifle beats. 980 yards (about 900 meters). I got better kalash. he sighed and replied that the rifle minster takes only aglitz standards

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: maxim947

, but the fact that the AK-12 (AK-74) is one of the best (if not the best) in terms of price-quality-reliability is proven by time

There is no limit, Human Stupidity! The whole world appreciated the Kalashnikov assault rifle line! To the Indians, not Camille.

[Sergey ippon]

our misfortune is precisely in the caliber of Kalash - I support the Indians.
who does not shoot for accuracy, that is clearly off topic and glory glory glory 7.62 to 39? or 5.45?
It has long been proven - the convenience, ballistics of a bullet grenadeled an order of magnitude better, but nothing will change on blunt idiots.
and if on the fingers, who used to go to guys in 6.5-6.8).
Yes, yes, I'm a dumb shooter who understands nothing from most members of the forum.
there is nothing to change for the better, and so is the best.

[vadim dok]

I agree with you!

[huginn]

It turned out to be much cheaper to adopt 2 automatic weapons with two calibers (5.45 and 7.62) than one on 6.5.

[huginn]

And even if 7,62 × 54 mm R is still in service ...

[Sergey ippon]

54 is another song, he will rule the ball for another 50 years.

[Kent0001]

So we can release a batch for them and release a NATO patron .... I think this is not a problem.

[Alber]

Quote: maxim947

Freaks of India have become commonplace, but you can’t lose this market, it’s clear that not everything depends on us, here is the lobby inside India and

Sikhs argue with Indians ...

[siberalt]

And what if the Indians cannot help but bargain. They have such a mentality.

[Corporal Valera]

As you know, this character is such that at first there are publications that India refuses to cooperate on a particular type of weapon, then time passes and the Indian media write that they decided to return to negotiations on the deal in New Delhi.

What cunning!

[cost]

Captain Pushkin (Peter) Well, when the Indians showed this initiative, they certainly didn’t yet know that they did not have cartridges for a Kalashnikov assault rifle ... The reason was good.

Yes indeed: Kalash is a good thing, but ammunition for it can no longer be bought in any country in the world. No one produces them anymore. They disappeared from history as mammoths, or gramophones. You can get it only from black diggers or antique dealers.

[dr.star75]

"Kalash is a good thing, but ammunition for it can no longer be bought in any country in the world. No one produces them anymore." - so they are so sprinkled all over the world that enough for a couple of world wars!

[vadim dok]

How many years can a cartridge for an automatic machine be stored?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Rich

Kalash is a good thing, but cartridges for it can no longer be bought in any country in the world. No one produces them anymore.

Yeah, 7,62X39, nowhere!

[Pereira]

If a person says so, I probably wanted to buy and could not find it. More precisely found only with black diggers.
I have no reason not to believe him.

[Tank hard]

What, after all, except for the Russian Federation, they do not produce 7,62x39 ?!

[dr.star75]

Finns produce, and Italians seem, but they have a horse price tag! 100r per cartridge. I did not buy it.

[Tank hard]

Yes, many who produce ...

[dr.star75]

“Yes, many who produce.” - Well, only quilted jackets!

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: dr.star75

Finns produce, and Italians seem, but they have a horse price tag! 100r per cartridge. I did not buy it.

In Soviet times, the army bought 6 kopecks each. And then she frowned - I wanted 5 cents.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Tank Hard

What, after all, except for the Russian Federation, they do not produce 7,62x39 ?!

In Eastern Europe, they are not produced only by the lazy. Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, Bulgarians, Yugoslavs, East Germans produced precisely.

[Pereira]

Tell Rich about it soon. He searches, but cannot find in any way.

[sabakina]

Dmitry but somehow a third of the world still shoots ....

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Rich

Captain Pushkin (Peter) Well, when the Indians showed this initiative, they certainly didn’t yet know that they did not have cartridges for a Kalashnikov assault rifle ... The reason was good.

Yes indeed: Kalash is a good thing, but ammunition for it can no longer be bought in any country in the world. No one produces them anymore. They disappeared from history as mammoths, or gramophones. You can get it only from black diggers or antique dealers.

No jokes, but in Ukraine there is definitely no cartridge factory left - either he moved to Lugansk, or Lugansk sailed away with this factory somewhere. And for Kalash 5,45 in Eastern Europe, ammunition is not produced.

[Sands Careers General]

Kalash is a good thing, but cartridges for it can no longer be bought in any country in the world.

I have never heard more enchanting delirium.

[Slon379]

Quote: Sands Career General

Kalash is a good thing, but cartridges for it can no longer be bought in any country in the world.

I have never heard more enchanting delirium.

Yes, there is a problem with a sense of humor (((. Even I, who have never smiled for my life, felt a bright smell of sarcasm.

[Sands Careers General]

This is stupidity, not sarcasm.

[You Vlad]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Well, when the Indians showed this initiative, they certainly didn’t yet know that they did not have cartridges for a Kalashnikov assault rifle ... The reason was good.

Bargaining, and as they say in this case is appropriate

[Guillon]

Yes, the Indians are full of ammunition for the M-16, but for Kalash they are not there!

[Bo Yari]

yeah. just like that, after all, they just didn’t know ..

[ANCIENT]

We can offer stone axes and spears! ! Any caliber, in any quantity, but only on an advance payment of a large batch! !!

[akunin]

and slingshots - the caliber is not important, factories for the production of ammunition do not need to be built, the service is cheap ... in general, some pluses.

[Incvizitor]

Stone-throwers, for them to get stones is not a problem ...

[thrush]

Well, they elephant in the trunk ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: thrush

The Economic Times in India claims that India has excluded Russia from countries that it is ready to purchase a batch of small assault weapons.

It must be understood that "expelled India" is according to the publication. Let the Indian MoD say this.

[dr.star75]

50000 trunks, well, even for 100 grins. 5000000 grins, and because of these cents will KK shed tears?

[NEXUS]

Quote: dr.star75

because of these cents kk will shed tears?

And do not you take into account the provision of work for the concern? Plus, salaries to employees, vacation pay, etc. ... Or shall we wait until the MOE orders a few million?

[dr.star75]

And the concern’s work just includes all this. i.e. 5 million Everything is included in this amount.

[thrush]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: dr.star75

because of these cents kk will shed tears?

And do not you take into account the provision of work for the concern? Plus, salaries to employees, vacation pay, etc. ... Or shall we wait until the MOE orders a few million?

Andrei .. read the article carefully .. they want investments to build a plant in India ... that's all .. you give them the technology, build a plant .. and they still shake up how much to pay for the license ... you need to drive these passengers from the beach rather than feeding bananas ..

[dr.star75]

You, the campaign, caught the claims of the Indians.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: thrush

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: dr.star75

because of these cents kk will shed tears?

And do not you take into account the provision of work for the concern? Plus, salaries to employees, vacation pay, etc. ... Or shall we wait until the MOE orders a few million?

Andrei .. read the article carefully .. they want investments to build a plant in India ... that's all .. you give them the technology, build a plant .. and they still shake up how much to pay for the license ... you need to drive these passengers from the beach rather than feeding bananas ..

There is generally an interesting situation - build a plant, and after that they will think whether to buy something from this plant or not. And to begin with, they will say that if they cost 20 kopecks apiece, they will buy, and if 30 kopecks, they will think.

[cariperpaint]

Actually, there should have been a contract for almost 2 yards))) 50000 trunks is what they have to make the rest in Russia. And the cost of one ak is certainly not 100 bucks

[Heterocapsa]

Commentary of the day.

[Slon379]

Tyk we and active armor for elephants bungled !!!

[Strashila]

In ... again, grenades of the wrong system ... or in the Indian interpretation, a kickback contest.

[ANCIENT]

Russia - "we will not post Kalashnikovs to India" - the country is not that! !!

[Mountain shooter]

Gypsies are gypsies ... And gilt the handle, yachting!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Gypsies are gypsies ... And gilt the handle, yachting!

Do not be upset. The Marlezon Ballet is just beginning.

The Indian Army has confirmed its intention to resume the deal on the purchase of Spike anti-tank missiles from the Israeli defense concern Rafael, the cancellation of which was announced in January of this year.
According to Bloomberg, the Indian army has no intention of waiting for the development of locally produced anti-tank missiles, which should take at least three years. According to Indian sources, negotiations for a $ 500 million deal are at an advanced stage.
The deal for the delivery of Rafael-manufactured Spike missiles to India, the initial agreement of which was reached as far back as 2014, was dragged on for a long time by the USA, which lobbied for the purchase of Javelin anti-tank missiles.
As a result, the too high price requested by the Americans forced India to opt for the Israeli proposal. At the same time, further promotion of the transaction was problematic due to the legislative ban on the purchase of weapons on a non-competitive basis (the proposal of the Israeli concern was the only one). In March 2017, the Department of Defense decided to promote the deal without a tender.
However, in November 2017, the Indian authorities decided not to sign the contract. The decision to cancel the transaction was made at the last moment, when agreements had already been reached with Raphael and the consent of all authorities was obtained. In New Delhi, it was concluded that the purchase of missiles could be detrimental to the development program of its own defense industry. It was reported that local concerns have already developed Nag and Anamika anti-tank missiles, and within three to four years they will be able to develop a third-generation system without the need to purchase other people's technologies.
In January 2018, it became known that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi overturned the decision to break the deal. It was announced that the deal would be carried out according to the category of intergovernmental agreements after the military insisted on the purchase of missiles tested in real hostilities, and the military research and development department raised its objection, provided that only missiles were purchased, not technology. However, in March, when the Indian company Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) tested the new NAG 190 anti-tank missiles in the desert, the deal was still not approved. Israeli experts believe that the Indian defense industry will need at least five years to establish serial production of NAG 190 missiles. Specialists of the Indian military-industrial complex say that production can be established before the end of the 2018 year.

[ANCIENT]

Aaron they will change their minds at least five more times, change their mind about buying, and seven times change their mind about not buying! !

[thrush]

Quote: ANCIENT

Aaron they will change their minds at least five more times, change their mind about buying, and seven times change their mind about not buying! !

yes .. by the way, I would have looked at it, who is it ... gypsies or a Jew?

[dauria]

who whom .. gypsy or Jew?

Both will heat up, and Russian will pay.

[thrush]

Quote: dauria

who whom .. gypsy or Jew?

Both will heat up, and Russian will pay.

then he will understand that they pricked and deafened both ...

[Mikhalych 70]

Maybe ask Papa ?!

[yehat]

very stupid excuse about caliber

[Meshcheryak]

They trade like this, this is their usual practice ...

[Opera]

And the Indians accidentally are not related to the Bulgarians ?!

[Tank hard]

Quote: Oper

And the Indians accidentally are not related to the Bulgarians ?!

No, the Bulgarians didn’t stand near ...

[The Siberian barber]

Romanians!)
Although, no difference (s)

[Res_Ullus]

Oh tizh to me these many-armed))) They themselves can not, but made in India - Holy (((((

[Huumi]

a lot of what goods this pride is written)))

[A.Kaledin]

That is, the bargaining has begun. So buy Kalash. Together with cartridges for them :)

[Huumi]

As if we don’t release options for NATO’s cartridges, some kind of nonsense

[LUCKY777]

Give them an ivory!

[gozmosZh]

Indians cunning something

[Gunsmith]

Most likely - they extort something in the appendage. Maybe a cartridge workshop, maybe something else. They buy military equipment only with a license for production, or joint production. Technology for free.

[Alex 2016]

Kalashnikov’s products are available for all calibers. Both ours and NATO? Again banderlog trying to bring down the price!

[donavi49]

Not all. Maybe they want their SCAR N - they still have FN FAL under 7.62x51. The design itself is not designed for such a caliber.


Or they want to carry out super-efficient reform and immediately into the ladies! Then their choice lies in the latest .264 USA cartridge - which is likely to be shoved for rearmament in the United States. Actually already limited parties are testing. Under such a cartridge, only Colt has ready-made options + plus cartridge production in the USA.

[Tank hard]

Quote: donavi49

Maybe they want their SCAR N - they still have the FN FAL under 7.62x51. The design itself is not designed for such a caliber.

Why?

[donavi49]

Because it was originally made under an intermediate cartridge. Although the Hammer makes monsters for private traders on xNUMX under commercial cartridges and carbines (without a car), the truth is on a reinforced machine gun base.

[dr.star75]

You seem to be confused with our factories, and what they produce. The hammer on the x54 makes only the "smooth" cartridge 9.6 Lancaster. 7.62x54 only tiger. (Svd). 7.62x51 makes both a hammer and QC. Well, everything is riveted on the intermediate cartridge.

[Tank hard]

The hammer for many calibers produces:
rifled:
7,62X39
7,62X54R
223Rem
308Win
5.45x39
30-06 Spr
9x19
6.5 grend
Smooth:
12x70
12x76
336TKM
9,6x53 Lancaster
Previously, they released it in 16 gauge, but now it’s not, like.

[dr.star75]

Do not tell the hammer weapon under 6.5?

[Tank hard]

Quote: dr.star75

Do not tell the hammer weapon under 6.5?

Wrote above - 6,5 grendsay a promising caliber, but I'm not an expert here. They have all the models - a Kalash variant. VPO-128-0

[dr.star75]

You wrote: "The hammer produces many calibers:
rifled: 6.5Grend "- so I want to ask you: what kind of weapon does the hammer produce for this caliber?

[Tank hard]

Quote: dr.star75

what weapons does the hammer produce for this caliber?

VPO-128-01 - Boar

[dr.star75]

Well, maybe. And ammo?

[Meshcheryak]

Tiger-SVD makes Izhevsk, Hammer makes Vepri under 7,62x54 (remodels on a machine-gun box and with a machine-gun barrel), also Hammer old Kalash with a dead barrel is laser-drilled under the 366th cartridge and it is sold under a "smooth-bore" license. Well, 7,62X39 everyone does, both remodelers and military castrates ...

[dr.star75]

Old Kalashs cannot be drilled once under 366 rounds, simply because the barrel diameter of 7.62 is less than 336 caliber

[Meshcheryak]

However, they drill like the SCS, the controversial products are obtained, the barrel walls are very thin, but the users take it, because you don’t have to wait 5 years for the smooth barrel to be operated and you can immediately take a toy made from a real combat barrel, and you can shoot 100m from 7,62X39 ballistics (then the parabola changes, the bullet is heavy, there is little gunpowder). Google "VPO 208", "VPO-209". For training, especially young people, it may come in handy.

[dr.star75]

Well, you walk the barrel diameter of 7.62x39, and 336 caliber. And after that, write, you can cut 336 out of them. There is only mathematics ... Google it for good and bad. There is a re-entry if Che.

[Tank hard]

As if from 7,62x39, shooting is not desirable in bursts but single in the "self-loading" version (mode), what can we say about 7,62x51 (except for machine guns only). And FN FAL, they say it was not bad, for HIS TIME and in a SELF-LOAD version that excluded bursts of fire (this is exactly the kind that Great Britain took in HIS TIME).

Quote: donavi49

it was originally made under an intermediate cartridge

Here is your truth, the Belgians proposed, but the United States insisted on its own - 7,62x51, it became NATO, if I am mistaken, let it be corrected. All this is IMHO.

[dr.star75]

As if from 7,62x39 it is desirable to shoot not in bursts but in single shots - in the "self-loading" version (mode), what can we say about 7,62x51 (except machine guns) "- I mean? And in which caliber can bursts happen? Maybe 7.62x54 ? So Maxim in this caliber could shoot for several hours in a row!

[Tank hard]

Quote: dr.star75

I mean? And in what caliber can I burst? maybe 7.62x54?

So in any one you can shoot, getting in bursts seems harder, no?

[dr.star75]

So do you shoot? or hit? It no longer depends on the caliber, but on the weapon system. A "get" what? what size goal?

[Tank hard]

For example, in Mikhail, from an assault rifle in bursts of 100 meters, which caliber is best to hit, 7,62x51 or 5,45x39?
Just do not start about the "operator" ...

[dr.star75]

Well, if your goal is “Mikhail” and you have never shot with 7.62x51 or 5.45x39, then you have little chance. "Mikhail" pisses you off at 7.62x39, as he purchased several 7.62x39 stores at 30 patrons

[Tank hard]

Quote: dr.star75

Well, if your goal is “Mikhail” and you have never shot with 7.62x51 or 5.45x39, then you have little chance. "Mikhail" pisses you off at 7.62x39, as he purchased several 7.62x39 stores at 30 patrons

I am a war couch, where am I to you, Holmes ...

[Tank hard]

Quote: dr.star75

So maxim in this caliber could shoot for several hours in a row!

Maxim, like, is not an assault rifle (automatic)?

[dr.star75]

Maxim machine gun

[Meshcheryak]

Quote: Tank Hard

As if from 7,62x39, shooting is not desirable in bursts but single in the "self-loading" version (mode)

Depends on the distance and the situation, suppression fire may also not be aimed in bursts ...

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Alex 2016

Kalashnikov’s products are available for all calibers. Both ours and NATO?

Yes.

trying to bring down the price!

Uh-huh.

[pafegosoff]

Traded, the southern "bhai-bhai."

[seregatara1969]

cartridges of the wrong system

[igorserg]

Just traded.

[Berkut24]

Did I understand correctly that the Indians of cartridges of all other calibers simply fell into pieces? But it is with ours, who in the world are like dirt - is it just some kind of trouble?

[donavi49]

The main caliber of the army is 5.56 = assault rifles of the INSAS concern (India), Tavor and M4 for all paratroopers and special forces.
The backward militia and reserve have all sorts of old FN FAL + various sniper rifles and army machine guns - 7,62x51 NATO.

They have Kalashi under 7,62x39 - but they are quite few, relative to the general distribution.

[dr.star75]

Well, if they have the main standard, NATO, and even if there are cartridge lines for this caliber, then what for them this tender with QC?

[Tank hard]

Quote: donavi49

The main caliber of the army - 5.56 = assault rifles concern INSAS (India)

Kalash and under this caliber release like ...

[Meshcheryak]

The main caliber of the army is 5.56 = assault rifles of the INSAS concern (India), Tavor and M4 for all paratroopers and special forces.
The backward militia and reserve have all sorts of old FN FAL + various sniper rifles and army machine guns - 7,62x51 NATO.
They have Kalashi under 7,62x39 - but they are quite few, relative to the general distribution. Perhaps this info is outdated, like a photo from the 80s) FN FAF was a great weapon for its time, but it seems to me that it is only used in Africa now, it’s a heavy, very quickly clogged mechanism, especially the store’s shaft (there’s no gas piston, and rollback on rollers), very hemorrhoids to clean, a lot of small parts, but it beats powerful!) I had to climb with it, just like with the G-3 ... but SVDekha is more convenient, by firepower they are closer to it, it’s only full machine.

[rumpeljschtizhen]

In my opinion, India has a gun drama (mid-19th and late 19th centuries in Europe and the USA) in full swing

[Berkut24]

The Kalashnikov concern has already given an official explanation that it is ready to supply machine guns under NATO cartridges. But the Indians have not yet decided on this requirement. Russian cartridges cost the Indians about 4 times cheaper and, frankly, this is the main factor. The main factor is the political decision to reduce dependence on Russian weapons due to cooperation between Russia and China. Today, the share of Russian weapons is significantly higher than 50%. Hindus achieve a ratio of less than half. But there are systems (like S-400) that the Americans cannot give them. Or very expensive and with additional conditions from the USA. Shooting does not apply to such systems. So the decision will not be on technical characteristics and not on price, but political. Yes, this is an ass-sanding ride, because the number of standards and the variety of incompatible weapons systems in India are just off the charts. But this is the price that India will have to pay for their "multi-vector nature" and independence from everyone and everything ...

[AID.S]

The standard script for an Indian film.

[igor67]

Indian movie Terminator, in the clip you can see Kalashi and M 16 and all other

[dr.star75]

The video does not play. And what? India has its own terminator? I just don’t know ...

[igor67]

Quote: dr.star75

The video does not play. And what? India has its own terminator? I just don’t know ...

india copies almost all American films, and burn fires and commandos, only with the songs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwe5TR2JL9A you are at the bottom, click the line View on YouTube and everything will play

[dr.star75]

Thank. got acquainted. India has a NATO standard. Why would she have a competition with the participation of KK with her cartridge? 7.62x39 5.45x39 compared to 5.56x45?

[igor67]

Quote: dr.star75

Thank. got acquainted. India has a NATO standard. Why would she have a competition with the participation of KK with her cartridge? 7.62x39 5.45x39 compared to 5.56x45?

it’s hard to understand. the neighbors of India seem to be also armed with not 7.62x39 5.45x39,

[dr.star75]

In my mind, they have already played enough with 5.6 and 5.45. The caliber was good in the jungles of Vietnam and the mountains of Afghanistan. And with the development of body armor, he was weak. The Americans came up with a new caliber grunfil. And ours seem to be returning to the good old 7.62x39!

[igor67]

https://topwar.ru/19525-avtomaty-kitaya-qbz-95-i-
qbz-97.html here about the Chinese caliber,

[dr.star75]

Thanks for the link. It only confirms the trend. 7.62x39 steers!

[Pimply]

Quote: dr.star75

In my mind, they have already played enough with 5.6 and 5.45. The caliber was good in the jungles of Vietnam and the mountains of Afghanistan. And with the development of body armor, he was weak. The Americans came up with a new caliber grunfil. And ours seem to be returning to the good old 7.62x39!

Yes, he is not weak, especially with new cartridges that have recently begun to enter. You would be sensitive about the caliber revered. If 7.62х39 were really good and versatile, they would have returned to it long ago. The disadvantages of the 5,56 cartridge are solved by increasing the charge and changing the design of the bullet, changing the cutting pitch in the barrel. Read about М193, МХNUMX, M855, etc. And read what experts write about 995 and its shortcomings.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: igor67

Quote: dr.star75

Thank. got acquainted. India has a NATO standard. Why would she have a competition with the participation of KK with her cartridge? 7.62x39 5.45x39 compared to 5.56x45?

it’s hard to understand. the neighbors of India seem to be also armed with not 7.62x39 5.45x39,

Just the opposite. Both China and Pakistan have Kalashnikov clones of 7,62x39

[sir_obs]

That is, to German submachine guns and their American cartridges are heaped up, does an uncle work in America at the factory cartridges?
Indians drive, oh drive.
Well, let them buy from the Germans or the Americans. In their weather conditions and on the ground, with their attitude, the situation will be reversed very soon.
There are cartridges, but there are no serviceable weapons.

[Meshcheryak]

Quote: sir_obs

That is, to German submachine guns and their American cartridges are heaped up, does an uncle work in America at the factory cartridges?
Indians drive, oh drive.
Well, let them buy from the Germans or the Americans. In their weather conditions and on the ground, with their attitude, the situation will be reversed very soon.
There are cartridges, but there are no serviceable weapons.

H & Kokhi show themselves excellently in the tropics, but the problem is in the high price of the rifles themselves and the requirements for the quality of cartridges, and naturally requires a highly qualified operator. Rather, ours will take AKashki, but on the condition that the assembly will be in India, and for specialists they will take from the Germans and Jews, which is also very logical.

[Coconut]

Well, it’s logical that they’ve got everything under the NATO cartridge ... what’s the problem?

[Meshcheryak]

Under the 223rd (5,56) Kalashs, we normally produce them in several versions, what calibers can we talk about here?) 308th or Chinese 5,8?) There is also some sense in the cartridge of the main enemy ...

[dr.star75]

Under 223 KK cartridge produces several kalashmatov, only 223 caliber implies the length of the barrel and a twist, which KK can not do. Therefore, our 223 is only a hunting cartridge.

[Tank hard]

Quote: dr.star75

Under 223 KK cartridge produces several kalashmatov, only 223 caliber implies the length of the barrel and a twist, which KK can not do

What can’t in QC?
But is Grendel’s cartridge not produced in Barnaul by chance? Not?

[dr.star75]

But they don’t produce grendel! No!

[Tank hard]

Quote: dr.star75

But they don’t produce grendel! No!

Apparently you know better, I only heard about Barnaul ...

[would]

“Can't do” is AK-101 and AK-102 just under 5.56?

[nekromonger]

and what caliber do they need? or grenades of the wrong system?

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: Starover_Z

I only had patience for half a minute of this circus with mummers.

Here, however, it does not matter at all what kind of small arms and their caliber will be. Anything will do.

[Wolka]

then it’s not ripe ...

[Vladimir Avakimov]

crazy people

[Igor Bragin]

Yes, the machines we have are not the same color - not bright red and not shiny.

[Yak28]

India is a backward country with a poor population (hence the money) shakes rights, let them go, let them fight snakes

[Mentat]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: thrush

tank ballet is resting ..

These are not soldiers, they are clowns. And they have the same parades

This is just another cultural tradition. You should not be so harsh about simple things.
Ours chuckle at this, because indeed, from our point of view, it looks unusual and fun, but chuckle good-naturedly, of course.

[APASUS]

They will hollow out the brain, will be asked to produce in India, will reduce the price, but they will buy from the Russians! Almost all of the latest contracts were concluded with India on this basis.

[Meshcheryak]

It's like that! It’s clear like God's day!) At one time on the T-90 they put up our brains like that, but they took a big thank you to them for not letting the plant drown in the worst of times! They are spinning like that on every contract.

[Dzafdet]

It is necessary for a long time to send the Indians on foot erotic campaign. And forget about them forever ...

[senima56]

They would have sent for a long time .... But the Indian arms market is the most attractive! Perhaps they sell weapons the most! And then ....

[Turist1996]

Especially! If you want a normal weapon - pay, not howl .. go. Indians still live in the 90s.
What to take from them - as they were natives, they remained.

[Turist1996]

Now the problem of the "survival" of the domestic military-industrial complex is not really acute. He is quite loaded with orders from his native MO. So India can quite smoke on the sidelines - "nishtyakov" in the style of the 90s, she will not wait.
"Get high" - and that's enough!
The showdown is more serious - the frankly "shit" for all Indians ’problems with the arrowhead!

[Turist1996]

Moreover, from the designer Indians - like from a shit bullet.

[senima56]

What, what, and the Indians know how to "compose brains" perfectly!

[SEER]

return to the transaction + 20% to it and the same ...
refusal of the transaction + 40%
this is how indians need to work

[Ros 56]

As far as I know in Afghanistan, in Iraq and wherever they fight, they striped their M-16s into convoys and by hook or by crook they get the Kalashnikovs, only Russian-made, and now there are enough fakes, especially from our Chinese friends. Well, the Indians know better, they don’t take three today, they’ll take tomorrow, but five.

[Pimply]

Quote: Ros 56

As far as I know in Afghanistan, in Iraq, and everywhere where they fight, their Kalashnikovs get their striped M-16s in convoy and by hook or by crook, only Russian-made, and now they have enough fakes, especially from our Chinese friends. Well, the Indians know best, do not take today three, take tomorrow, but five

Carry nonsense

[Tank hard]

dr.star75,

Quote: dr.star75

Well, maybe. And ammo?

What about ammo? I was not interested in Grendel, they let out somewhere and someone, but at what price I do not know. I believe. that a cartridge should be common and cheap. This is in the Russian Federation: 7,62x39; 5,45x39; 7,62x 54R ... Maybe there are others like that already, but I don’t know ...

[dr.star75]

Grendel does not produce any plants yet

[Tank hard]

What, nowhere?
Is there a rifle, but don’t produce cartridges?
And I thought that BPZ ... 6,5x39 ...

[dr.star75]

Not seen yet

[Tank hard]

Quote: dr.star75

Not seen yet

Duc, and I did not see, only heard, but read ...
Here, as it were, here they sell Barnaul for 21 rubles ...
[media = https: //www.huntworld.ru/catalog/okhota_i_
sportivnaya_strelba / patrony / nareznye / patron_6_5kh
39_bpz_grendel_lak_1_20 /]

[Note 2]

India planned to buy AK 103, according to reports from the press, and this is 7,62x39 caliber and there were always plenty of weapons for this caliber in India as well as cartridges. So about the absence of ammunition, another lie!

[Govorun]

India: “Kalash” we will not take, the caliber is not the same ...
Like grumpy women these Indians, then this is not for them, but this is not for them .... They themselves can’t build anything, but the importance of CSOs GOOO ...

[Victoria-V]

Why offend the Indians? Call them stupid and foolish? India has about 100 nuclear warheads in readiness, ballistic missiles Agni-I (700 km), Agni-II (2500 km), Agni-III (3500 km), intercontinental ballistic missiles Agni-IV (4000 km) and Agni-V ( 8000 km).

[Meshcheryak]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

No jokes, but in Ukraine there is definitely no cartridge factory left - either he moved to Lugansk, or Lugansk sailed away with this factory somewhere. And for Kalash 5,45 in Eastern Europe, ammunition is not produced.

"Lugansk cartridge factory", if anyone didn’t hear, he didn’t move out of nowhere, but he still lives with the USSR and works to the glory of God. Ukrainians patricians still have a sea of ​​Soviet in warehouses, zadolbeshsya export!)))

[Victoria-V]

Having no analogues in the world, the Russian fighter of the (almost) fifth generation Su-57, which can not go into series in any way and is no longer interesting to India, the only potential buyer. Now they threw the products of the Kalashnikov concern. And here the clowns make strange speeches in front of each other ...

[Meshcheryak]

"Clowns" talk that this is an oriental bargain such, "we take it, we don’t take it," otherwise they can’t, they take it later as cute little ones!) And you, Vika, are apparently a dill provocateur, I have seen so many living and dead)))

[Victoria-V]

Unfortunately, no one takes anything. And he won’t take it.

[Meshcheryak]

They took the T-90 and thank them for that, the Uralvagonzavod did not die, and then they bargained steadily ... Kalash if they take it, then with a production license, but here we do not have much use, only kickbacks to bureaucrats.

[Victoria-V]

Everything is right here. But Sushki and T-50 they no longer need, and the S-400 is a big question.

[Govorun]

Have you got a wedge at 57, or is it in such a hurry to let him into the series, to drink badly? Does it interfere with eating or does not allow to live better? Let me remind you of the Russian saying Measure seven times, cut once ..... or do you need what would happen with 35? Why such an urgency. But for the Indians, well, we’ll lose it, but it’s bad, but not fatal, there have always been freeloaders who want to buy cheaper, or we each have to crucify and fulfill their whims, NO.
And about the clowns, I’ll say, here people express their thoughts on the topic, and the clowns are more likely in your head ... with all the attributes.

[Golovan Jack]

I agree with everything, even with this:

Quote: Govorun

to sleep poorly

Drinking - really, ahem, is wrong.
But you there, KVM, still had something else in mind
PS: I'm sorry - I could not resist

[Meshcheryak]

Quote: dr.star75

Well, you walk the barrel diameter of 7.62x39, and 336 caliber. And after that, write, you can cut 336 out of them. There is only mathematics ... Google it for good and bad. There is a re-entry if Che.

Firstly, I spoke for 366 TCM, but this is not 336, as you write, I apologize, but this is a mistake!)) And for those bored trunks I do not speak in vain, I held it in my hands more than once when the youth taught. There’s also a serious minus - cavitation is large, although the barrel metal is solid, but thinner than it was laid even for 7,62X39, and naturally, the resource is weak, but the cartridge 366 Techcrim is expensive, young people aren’t walking around !!!))

[Pushkar]

"Yes, they have the wrong grenades!" Do not forget, India is a member of the British Commonwealth, the British Queen is the head of state of India.

[HMR333]

the classical scheme of the Indians in the trade, even the children already know it))) do they still think that someone is conducting it?

[Meshcheryak]

Quote: Tank Hard

For example, in Mikhail, from an assault rifle in bursts of 100 meters, which caliber is best to hit, 7,62x51 or 5,45x39?
Just do not start about the "operator" ...

And try!))) In general, I’ll seriously say that one of these can be easily hit on a hundredth, it’s important how you shot the barrel yourself, and what’s more familiar to you, on a hundredth you can get into your head skillfully and with a field rifle on the go, skillfully, of course )))

[misti1973]

Caliber has nothing to do with it! The barrel itself is more important.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Meshcheryak

on one hundred square meters, you can skillfully and with a rifle of a dvenashka with a field bullet in the head on the go get, skillfully, of course)))

He asked - about the "operator" is not necessary!.
I tried to say something else there ...
You do not understand anything in the "naval" humor ...

[Pimply]

Well, as I said last time when there is an article about the fact that Kalash will be bought: this is India, and until all the signatures have been supplied and the delivery has been started, it is too early to arrange songs and dances.
I would suggest that in the end they would stop on Galil Ace as a general army weapon, and Tavor as a weapon for specialists. Why? Because the Hindus recently want a hundred percent reinvestment of the contract in production in India. In addition, they need modern technology. The problem with the Kalashnikov concern is that there are certain problems with modern technologies, and it is unlikely that there will be an agreement on 100 percent reinvestment. Israel is much more flexible in this regard, and the plant itself has already been built jointly with the Indians. Here, apparently, it also raises the question of the construction of a patronage plant - the topic surfaced for good reason.

[bobba94]

When Great Britain colonized India in the 19th century, the population of Great Britain was about 10-15 million people, and the population of India was about 200 million people. Now I understand why 10 million people enslaved 200 million.

[misti1973]

Some nonsense is written! Forehead "Kalash" can be made in export version under 5.56x45. Like, for India, go and not 100 pieces are needed, but much more. Or is Izhmash bathed in money?

[Shaska]

Well what to say? GYpsy woman ...

[serezhasoldatow]

I came across Indians during the times of the USSR, we studied with us. Freeloaders, like Ukrainians.

[Stiletto_711]

The list of manufacturing companies includes, for example, Sig Sauer and Colt.

I really want to see how the Indian cheapskates sign a contract with Sig Sauer We had a lot of fun
Ours needs to make a statement in the press that Pakistan is interested in AK, this will shorten the stage of dancing with an Indian tambourine during the negotiations

[Zaurbek]

According to the report, India is looking for its next assault rifle chambered for 7,62 x 51 mm. Five countries participate in the competition.

These are the USA, Israel, the Czech Republic, Indonesia and the UAE.

The following types of rifles are considered -

Flavor 7
Ace 52
CM 901
716 SIG
LM308
CZ 807
DA 10
CAR 817

[BOB044]

It's hot in India and it's gotten to their head. They could do everything cheaper and for free.

[raccoon2405]

The same news from India every time. We take it here, we don’t take it here, but if it’s at a discount, we’ll take it

[NETZAH NETZAH_2]

The Indians will eventually buy the Tavor, since they already produce some of the parts, and supplying them with a dozen more machines to produce the rest for 50 thousand guns a year is not at all a problem. Moreover, “Tavor” is available in both 5.56 and 7.62x51.

[parkello]

Zaurbek,
It's clear that they are different things. and completely different tasks are set. In addition, the 308 caliber is clearly inferior to the AKM in other respects. there are no MZ cartridges, there are only ordinary ones in a tunic made of tampak and lead inside, sighting ones (aka sniper ones), there are tracers and there are those with a hardened core. but ... not from any rifle you will hit where you are aiming with this cartridge. because ordinary assault rifles have a completely different twist, 305 mm was on my G-3. even tracers over 200 m flew away to God knows where. where can I shove something cooler? and the AKM has a twist in the region of 260-280 mm, it easily eats subsonic heavy bullets. True, also up to 300-400m, but any cartridges fit it. whatever bullets you want, instant ignition and ordinary incendiary tracers, heavy armor-piercing, armor-piercing incendiary and AKM eats them.. and the G-3 after 2 magazines can already be protected with such cartridges... make a smoothbore out of it.

[Arkady Gaidar]

“Yes, his grenades are of the wrong system,” - a classic of the genre. Oh, these “twirl and turn I want to deceive)))

[Brigadier]

Then they will write that there are cartridges in the required quantity, but the capsules in them are of the wrong system...

[Const]

Because there are 200 thousand guns, the Indians are given a license; there are enough “CMEA brothers”. will deliver. Not exactly the same, but very useful. I would send him away.

[Turist1996]

Send Indians to Buddha. For 10-15 years. Demonstratively. They themselves will come running with proposals.

[Turist1996]

Also for me, there were “gypsies at the Central Market”... South Asian ballers.