Chinese media: Russian military equipment uncompetitive

The Chinese portal Sina.com has released material stating that the three leading countries of Latin America - Argentina, Brazil and Chile have stopped buying Russian weapons, preferring Chinese.

The publication writes that Russia supplied weapons to the above countries in 2013 for 928 million dollars, but by the year 2017 supplies were close to zero.

The Chinese portal, in its article presented by Inosmi, names two problems of the Russian military-industrial complex: the first problem of Russian weapons is competitiveness, which is supposedly based on Western developments and components developed in the West. An example is the Catherine thermal imager used on tanks T-90, and which is produced in France. Under the imposed sanctions, the portal writes, Russia will not be able to buy Western components, and the installation of domestic analogues raises the price and reduces the efficiency of the equipment.

The second problem of the Russian military industrial complex, the article states, is a very low level of investment in new technologies and software development in Russia, and is connected, again according to the portal, with a low level of export of Russian weapons and equipment compared to previous years. As an example, Venezuela is given, which Russia was unable to supply “a new type of landing craft”. As a result, Venezuela decided to purchase a Chinese infantry fighting vehicle for amphibious operations on the VN-18 coast.

Inexpensive and efficient weapon the authors of the article noted that the weapons of modern Russia are mostly uncompetitive, therefore Russia is losing the arms market, which China occupies, which produces high-quality equipment based on domestic components.

Comments

[Evil 55]

There is a truth to this .. But the basis still lies in the training of soldiers and commanders .. There is no point in trusting the macaque with the PU-12 fire control panel ...

[210ox]

Yes, in what they are right ... But what about the reliability of their Chinese technology?

Quote: Evil 55

There is a truth to this .. But the basis still lies in the training of soldiers and commanders .. There is no point in trusting the macaque with the PU-12 fire control panel ...

[conservative]

Well, the Chinese, they can yes - they won all wars on their miracle of technology. And gunpowder helped them defeat everyone.

In general, a lot of mind is not necessary - to buy a Chinese tank, because it is cheaper than Russian

And then at the training ground everyone looks at the result. Well, or biathlon.

[YaIK 105]

Quote: conservative

Well, the Chinese, they can yes - they won all wars on their miracle of technology. And gunpowder helped them defeat everyone.

In general, a lot of mind is not necessary - to buy a Chinese tank, because it is cheaper than Russian

And then at the training ground everyone looks at the result. Well, or biathlon.

In which wars did the Chinese win-enlightenment? In the opium? It’s interesting to just talk with the victims of the exam.

[Zlat070]

As I understand it, the author, speaking about the victories of Chinese technology, expressed sarcasm!

[Old anecdote]

producing high-quality equipment, based on domestic components.

This is what I especially liked.

[Tatyana]

Russia is losing the arms market that China occupies, producing high-quality equipment based on domestic components.

It's not even the market! Namely.
The presence of domestic components for the production of military equipment, as such, plays a fundamentally colossal role during the war and preparation for war!

NATO’s war with Russia is on the nose — and according to the Pentagon’s plans on Russian territory! Don’t turn a blind eye to this! In the strategic plan, Russia is no longer up to the market.
And if the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation does not make a swift substitution of imports of component parts as quickly as possible, then Russia can, by and large, lose this war - and it will certainly lose it!
The government of the Russian Federation, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation needed to think about this even a year ago 2!
And now Russia needs to get out of this situation as soon as possible.

[maxim947]

Operation will still show and put everything in its place, especially in terms of quality. But the fact that we are lagging behind is a fact, and we are not hiding it, so we will catch up with it, everyone will enjoy it.))

[Misha Honest]

Quote: maxim947

But the fact that we are lagging behind is a fact, and we are not hiding it, so we will catch up with it, everyone will enjoy it.))
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If we have time for the remaining insignificant time ... And given that we do not have Stalin with his five-year plans ...

[maxim947]

Again Stalin ... Do not get tired of shoving Him everywhere without hitting?

[RUSS]

Quote: maxim947

Again Stalin ... Do not get tired of shoving Him everywhere without hitting?

[GRF]

Quote: maxim947

Again Stalin ... Do not get tired of shoving Him everywhere without hitting?

Crying and see ... (C)
Yes ... Georgians do not have such an opportunity anymore, to go great in history, to steer a great people ...

Until we resume best practices, you need to shove, shove, and shove everywhere without getting into ...
And you have not yet become interested in the affairs of this man, why is he shoved everywhere?

[XXXIII]

Quote: Tatiana

NATO’s war with Russia is on the nose — and according to the Pentagon’s plans on Russian territory! Don’t turn a blind eye to this! In the strategic plan, Russia is no longer up to the market.

And we are always ready to meet special guests .....

Then....

Now....

Nothing has changed ....

[Tatyana]

Quote: XXXIII

And we are always ready to meet special guests .....

Unfortunately, all wars in the history of Blitzkrieg never ended, but stretched for years!
In this case, the country's armed forces will need to re-supply everything! And which contractual foreign suppliers of Russia would then supply the military-industrial complex of their adversary? None!

In history, all blitzkriegs were good according to plan only on paper, and at the same time they forgot about the “ravines” all the time!

[Fitter65]

Quote: Tatiana

if the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation does not make a swift substitution of imports of component parts as quickly as possible, then Russia can in the long run lose this war - and it will certainly lose!

Well, let's start with the fact that the share of imported components in the samples going to the domestic market is reduced to almost 0. The samples going abroad are completed with those Western devices and various additions that the customer indicated.

[vkfriendly]

Did you just wake up? As far as is known, import substitution went back to 2012, long before all the events.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Tatiana

1. The presence of domestic components for the production of military equipment, as such, plays a fundamentally colossal role during the war and preparation for war!

2. And if the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation does not make a swift substitution of imports of component parts as quickly as possible, then Russia can, by and large, lose this war - and it will certainly lose it!
3. The government of the Russian Federation, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation needed to think about this for another year 2 naz

1. It is very important, of course, to complete the manufactured equipment completely (!) With "your own" components; but it is not absolutely obligatory ... In any case, the military-industrial complex in the world has long been using imported components ... It has become "familiar" and has long been nobody koryozhit "!. French, English military equipment uses state-of-the-art components ... Swedish" wiggens "- state engines and French electronics ... USA-French electronics, Japanese chips ..... For example, French thermal imagers can be used on Abrams ... Moreover, somehow I found out s that the US military electronic equipment is used a lot of Chinese chips! And the "vaunted" China uses many components from Western Europe and the USA in the production of weapons! The only difference is that the Chinese are trying to increase the share of their own components in the weapons they produce over time. But where they are still weak, they continue to buy other people's products. For example, Russian aircraft engines on Chinese aircraft ... During my service in the Soviet Army, I was dealing with communications equipment that used microcircuits from the German Democratic Republic, Hungary ... Therefore, the presence of imported components in military equipment is not a reason for the "fatal disgust" of potential buyers. The reason (!) May be the instability of the situation in which the producing country is .... the position of an outcast in the world around us. Some years ago, Russia was in a slightly different situation and held a slightly different position in the world. A stable position in the world (more or less ...) contributed to the "relaxation" of the Russian military-industrial complex and the country's leadership ... This indicates the short-sightedness of the "top" of the military-industrial complex and the country's leadership ... the lack of wisdom ... Yes, there were people who were against the current situation , "sounded the alarm", but no one I didn’t listen: the liberal influence in the country, the comprador oligarchy did their job. Everyone wanted to take their “place” in Europe more quickly ... to become “like all Europeans”!
2. In Russia, in recent years, efforts have been made to "catch up", but this is not as simple as it may seem to the townsfolk ... especially under the conditions of sanctions. Having gathered 9 pregnant women together, you still can’t get the baby in a month ... Too many, as it turned out, have been lost over the past years.
3. This ruling regime of the Russian government, the top of the military-industrial complex should have been thought back to 90, when smart people (imagine: there were such ...) warned with might and main about the upcoming disaster.

[EvilLion]

.During my service in the Soviet Army, I was dealing with communications equipment that used microcircuits from the German Democratic Republic, Hungary ...

Soviet microcircuit made in Germany. Or just standard. The USSR gave the Allies the production of small things and what does not require quick production. He did everything important.

Moreover, it somehow became clear that a lot of Chinese microcircuits are used in the electronic military equipment of the USA!

Illegally. Therefore, it turned out. Suddenly.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: EvilLion

Soviet microcircuit made in Germany. Or just standard.

Yes, probably it was so .... The microcircuits were often similar to the Soviet ones .. But, sometimes, "unfamiliar" came across .... (maybe the directory was old and the m / circuit did not have time to get there ?. ..) Yes, and it was like this: there were boards with m / circuits with an unfamiliar marking ... the communications chief of the unit said that they were GDR .....

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: EvilLion

Illegally. Therefore, it turned out. Suddenly.

I recall .... the matter, indeed, was in such a "perspective" ...

[EvilLion]

Do you understand that you are talking nonsense? Access to the Russian arms market is simply closed to everyone except Belarus. Any imported item requires special permission.

There are simply no imported components in Su-57. Physically. And in the T-90 not. And in "Armata". In Su-30CM there are left over from Su-30MKI, but the French are silent, because they understand that either they deliver everything, or we will switch to our elements faster. How to make a plane with us and without them it turns out.

[Tatyana]

Quote: EvilLion

Do you understand that you are talking nonsense? Access to the Russian arms market is simply closed to everyone except Belarus.

In Su-30CM there are left over from Su-30MKI, but the French are silent, because they understand that either they deliver everything, or we will switch to our elements faster. How to make a plane with us and without them it turns out.

And what are the odds? The French - in the case of TMV, in your opinion, Russia's allies? And will they continue to make military supplies to Russia? A dispute about what?

And the world market - is it that, in your opinion, only the Russian import-domestic ?! Or is there also a foreign market - the Russian export-foreign one?
The Chinese are talking about which market in the article? And about which market are we now polemicizing with?
You contradict yourself!

[l7yzo]

I was here recently in the museum of military equipment - drew attention to the number of manufactured equipment
for example, 41-46 years produced 6,6 thousand aircraft alone, then another 10 thousand others, this is not counting tanks, artillery, air defense, ships, steam locomotives and so on. This is what I am for.
To the amount of equipment produced now. Of course she is smart, but still.

[user]

The presence of domestic components for the production of military equipment, as such, plays a fundamentally colossal role during the war and preparation for war!

As far as I remember, if we are talking about thermal imagers - at least they were mentioned in this article, then only two countries of the USA and the Russian Federation have a full production cycle - from science to the finished product. And the most interesting thing in the Russian Federation is that they are all private — some have privatized oil and gas assets, and some have ownership in the patent part.

[Mih1974]

Enlighten. about "Nata's brilliant plans for a war against Russia on its territory" . And here we compare with the past "geniuses", one drove to Helena, and the second "killed" from our barbarism

[SSR]

Quote: Zlat070

As I understand it, the author, speaking about the victories of Chinese technology, expressed sarcasm!

But no matter how this is ... missing others.

[sapporo1959]

Well, do not express sarcasm, but the long arm of the market is looking for where it is cheaper. Well, and again the advertisement. Here is to take the same Syria, they write that our Assad has no analogues, and everyone there is bombing him there. ours gets there, but where are the destroyed adversaries, and not the formulas for the curvature of the sky?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: YaIK 105

what kind of wars did the Chinese win, enlightenment? In the opium? It’s interesting to just talk with the victims of the exam.

not really with humor?

[conservative]

It is interesting to just talk with the victims of the exam. laughing

I say. when you draw so few smiles - you get into a mess. need more.

[bulvas]

Interestingly, after the fall in sales of our weapons, did the responsible officials feel this?

They were fired, reduced bonuses, bonuses and more?

Or vice versa raised to support morally?

[Tersky]

Quote: bulvas

Interestingly, after the fall in sales of our weapons, did the responsible officials feel this?

Read here https://ru-an-info.livejournal.com/10223324.html, "Results of LAAD 2017: Russia did not expect contracts, but queues lined up for weapons from Russia", the opposite is stated there. It is not clear who to believe, either Sina com or the Russian News Agency. It is possible that this is a paid PR move in favor of the Chinese military-industrial complex.
Just do not forget that

Sina.com is one of the four main business areas of the Chinese Internet company of the same name Sina Corp, founded in 1999.
Unlike the average media, Sina.com is a telecommunications platform for advertising coming from traditional media. In this regard, the company has no full-time journalists.

There is something to think about, is not it?

[Servisinzhener]

It is still unknown how much this sina com has to do with China and any expert opinion from it. Maybe this is a pro-Western resource with authors living in the US and Europe.

[Vladivostok1969]

Interestingly, after the fall in sales of our weapons, did the responsible officials feel this?

They were fired, reduced bonuses, bonuses and more?

Or vice versa raised to support morally?

Transferred to another job. Mutko as an example

[INTER]

If so, why then do they buy Russian equipment themselves?

[New Year day]

Quote: INTER

If so, why then do they buy Russian equipment themselves?

copy. Why reinvent the wheel - take something created by someone as a basis and develop an idea

[Normal]

It is not clear who the victim of the exam, but for some, the ability to read between the lines and understanding of sarcasm tends to zero. And certainly it can be assumed that someone is clearly a victim of the Internet, this is when without the emoticon or the right side bracket can not grasp the emotional component of the text. The only thing I can please is that besides you, there are at least two more people who marked themselves by clicking on the asterisk your comment. I leave a comment quite late Moscow time, perhaps by the morning in your regiment will arrive again. I put a smiley

[kamikaze]

won in copying office equipment of cars and the RUSSIAN MILITARY TECHNOLOGY

[kamikaze]

won the aircraft carrier VARYAG. turned out badly and embrace that a bad aircraft carrier turned out to be RUSSIA

[zoolu350]

Korean War 1950-53, about. Daman 1969 (in fact), the Sino-Indian conflict of 1962

[72jora72]

In which wars did the Chinese win-enlightenment? In the opium? It’s interesting to just talk with the victims of the exam

You know what is sarcasm?

[igorka357]

Your thinking and perception is simply gorgeous .. you don’t understand the usual sarcasm! You still have to see which of you two is a victim of the exam ...

[Grigory_78]

The Chinese have always won, in all wars. Didn’t you know? What you were taught only in the USSR, the mind is not extensible ... For you, obviously, you need to add # sarcasm

[yehat]

the main thing the Chinese said - the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation has too limited a base of suppliers of components and this very seriously affects everything.
The Chinese may not have very good quality, but there is everything.
I’m silent about the fact that 70-80% of electronics assembled on Chinese components.

[DMB_95]

Nevertheless, the main competitive advantage of Chinese products is a lower price. And the quality, apparently, corresponds to the price, but it suits many buyers like South Americans.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: DMB_95

Nevertheless, the main competitive advantage of Chinese products is a lower price. And the quality, apparently, corresponds to the price, but it suits many buyers like South Americans.

South America is profitable to buy cheap Chinese weapons, because there are no serious wars in the near future. And why pay more if you don’t have to fight, but you just have to show what it is ...
Russia, where human resources, and therefore opportunities, are limited, where the production of high-tech goods is replaced by the massive sale of raw materials, which is very to the taste of the authorities and those who supplied it, may soon encounter a problem when there will be no one to work. And due to professional unpreparedness, and due to the lack of a production base. We honor officials, security guards, and bankers + a servant who appeases them in terms of "bread and circuses."

[Servisinzhener]

I would say that there are problems with a solvent one from South America. Argentina recently bought heavily used Entadra and a bunch of parts from disassembly from France. Because although there’s no cheapest money for new ones.

[freddyk]

Quote: ROSS 42

may soon encounter a problem when there will be no one to work

The Chinese will work, they have a lot of people working, they will share

[Misha Honest]

Quote: conservative

Well, the Chinese, they can yes - they won all wars on their miracle of technology. And gunpowder helped them defeat everyone.

In general, a lot of mind is not necessary - to buy a Chinese tank, because it is cheaper than Russian

And then at the training ground everyone looks at the result. Well, or biathlon.

Okay, let's compare the statistics of crashed planes and helicopters in Russia, Pindo Stan and China. ) Has anyone ever heard of Chinese crashed planes and helicopters?
In the meantime, we are dropping bundles of pin-dos ...
So I have a question - who has better military equipment?

[Ruzhik420]

Citizens forgot what the real propaganda was about. They didn’t say anything in the USSR either, not because there were no incidents, but because there was a party line that clearly decided to shut your mouth.

[Misha Honest]

Perhaps, but given the number of people in China ... your theory is, to put it mildly, unfounded - it would be better to just give examples ... of specific incidents)

[albert]

Quote: Misha Honest

Has anyone ever heard of Chinese crashed planes and helicopters?

It’s just that the Chinese don’t talk about it. In the Union, they did too.

[Misha Honest]

You can’t hide the awl in a bag - read what I wrote above ...

[-Pollux]

Quote: Misha Honest

You can’t hide the awl in a bag - read what I wrote above ...

The wars with losses in millions of people quietly withheld, and then some incidents.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Pollux

War with losses in millions of people quietly withheld

Please remind at least one such episode.

[-Pollux]

Quote: Misha Honest

Please remind at least one such episode.

In Africa, there were several conflicts about which few people know, it seems they didn’t hide it on purpose, the media were just silent and everyone turned out to be “unaware”.

[Misha Honest]

Africa is of no interest to anyone, and there is dofig per capita there - it’s possible to quietly conduct nuclear tests ... So Africa is a bad example.

[-Pollux]

Quote: Misha Honest

So Africa is a bad example.

You needed an example - I brought you a dishonorable Misha, just accept my innocence, as an honest person would do.

[poquello]

Quote: Misha Honest

You can’t hide the awl in a bag - read what I wrote above ...

and what for us read your speculations?

[Misha Honest]

So do not read. And even more so then do not comment on your meaningless comments. )

[poquello]

Quote: Misha Honest

So do not read. And even more so then do not comment on your meaningless comments. )

everything is clear - Vanuatu's most reliable aircraft, no accidents

[sdc_alex]

Their Internet is very "circumcised" .... The media are the same ... therefore, no one can hear about incidents anywhere. And the Chinese are not at all chatty ..
So the "awl" is still concealed in a bag.

[72jora72]

Okay, let's compare the statistics of crashed planes and helicopters in Russia, Pindo Stan and China. ) Has anyone ever heard of Chinese crashed planes and helicopters?

I report! the more intensive the training, the more sorties (we used 90% of the flight personnel in real combat operations), the more intensively used military equipment, the more failures and accidents (record holders here are the Indian Air Force). Secondly, China has completely closed information on accidents and failures.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: 72jora72

Secondly, China has completely closed information on accidents and failures.

What, KVM, very symptomatic. And besides, and rightly so

[Protos]

It’s just that China, like the USSR, has not been able to take dirty linen out of the hut before and manage their own media.
Well, the Chinese have no "Echo Matzah"

[TermNachTer]

Perhaps they win at a price, but the quality will be in question for a long time to come. In addition, as a rule, the Chinese give a loan to purchase their equipment. In the long run, this will affect, but only in the long run. And the South American market is not so capacious to worry much about this issue.

[nikoliski]

The namesake hi-by the way in vain Poroshenko does not want to break into the arms market leaders (at least for a week ) I think I would put up some of your used products for sale, there would be a line- 70 MLRS SMERCH, TRK Point u (at the same time it would become easier for Donbass too), and then if a new batch starts there, they will be destroyed for free, so at least the benefit was would be independent

[TermNachTer]

Where to sell if you are already lacking? But Petya has a chance - his Lenin Forge factory received permission to export weapons bypassing Ukrspetsexport, so that the money goes directly into his pocket, bypassing arrogant intermediaries. As for the "Tornadoes" - there are few installations, and BC to them, too - cannot be sold. And who will buy the "Point"? They have expired storage time already God knows when. The last time they replaced S-300 TPK with missiles was either 2002 or 2003, all the deadlines have already passed.

[TermNachTer]

Hello my friend. All the benefits - still will not be. They will sell it, they will sell it, but I think that the money will not reach Ukraine - they will settle somewhere offshore.

[Incvizitor]

But how did Yapami resist in due time?

[1970mk]

Mentioning "Tank Biathlon" is at least ridiculous ..... in relation to tanks ..... such nonsense we could only compose ...

[123456789]

The generals are preparing for the past war.

[Su24]

Quote: conservative

Well, the Chinese, they can yes - they won all wars on their miracle of technology. And gunpowder helped them defeat everyone.

In general, a lot of mind is not necessary - to buy a Chinese tank, because it is cheaper than Russian

And then at the training ground everyone looks at the result. Well, or biathlon.

Only there is one problem - it is not cheaper) Chinese equipment is by no means cheaper, and the volume of its supplies is several times less than that of Russia. And this just perfectly shows whose technique is more preferable.

[dog breeder]

210query (Dmitry)
Yes, in what they are right ... But what about the reliability of their Chinese technology?
Tank biathlon watched?

[210ox]

In my opinion, I noticed about the reliability of their equipment. And they are right in that we bought avionics and the same vetronics in the west, until we got a cookie there. And domestic samples of this technique are still uncompetitive.

Quote: dog breeder

210query (Dmitry)
Yes, in what they are right ... But what about the reliability of their Chinese technology?
Tank biathlon watched?

[yehat]

watched. the Chinese have more perfect sighting equipment, on-board protection does not fall off, like ours. So another question is who is more reliable.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: yehat

watched. the Chinese have more perfect sighting equipment, on-board protection does not fall off, like ours. So another question is who is more reliable.

I agree - for themselves and their army, the Chinese are doing everything at the highest level. However, this concerns not only their military industry, but also the citizen. But for export ... they have full trash.
Wise and cunning, that’s the whole secret.

[nikoliski]

looked bad, then the Chinese rink on the go the track roller came off, and about the perfection of the sights, what then did they not take 1st place? I think the best cars were sent to us, with the best crews, what did their "perfect sighting equipment" prevent them from hitting targets precisely so as not to drive penalty circles?

[TermNachTer]

If the Chinese are so smart, then why buy a S - 400? They have their own long-range air defense systems, which they stubbornly “shove” into foreign markets, but for some reason there is no line-up. Why buy "Su - 35", if you have your own - the quality is - better, just do not name which ones. Why do aircraft engines buy in Russia and Ukraine, if yours are better? Russia can remove a competitor with one click - stop delivering engines!

[svp67]

Quote: 210ox

Yes, in some ways they are right ..

Only in something ... I still do not see something that would be INVENTED in China. All TOTAL.

Quote: 210ox

But what about the reliability of its Chinese technology?

So far, praise God wish for the best ... but they are clearly progressing.
A article, FOR INTERNAL USE. Maintain the image of your military equipment. Although I agree, we need to put a lot of effort into setting up production of everything in our factories.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: svp67

What would be INVENTED in China. All TOTAL.

Anyway, Serge, the country's interests are a priority.

Quote: svp67

but they are clearly progressing.

This causes great caution.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: svp67

I do not yet see something that would be INVENTED in China.

If we are talking about the present - I agree to 200%. But if in general terms, then gunpowder and a compass come to mind.

[210ox]

pasha About cards .... forgotten playing ..

Quote: bouncyhunter

Quote: svp67

I do not yet see something that would be INVENTED in China.

If we are talking about the present - I agree to 200%. But if in general terms, then gunpowder and a compass come to mind.

[bouncyhunter]

Dim I'm the first thing that came to mind.

[svp67]

Quote: bouncyhunter

But if in general terms, then gunpowder and a compass come to mind.

Is not a fact...

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: svp67

Is not a fact...

More from this place ...

[svp67]

Quote: bouncyhunter

More from this place ...

Well, all sailors used the compass and now seem to suspect the great Phoenicians of ancient antiquity in its invention. And the invention of gunpowder is disputed by India ... also an ancient nation

[bouncyhunter]

In any case, it is in the Chinese that both the compass and gunpowder are documented, but others do not. And let it remain the property of history. The important thing is that now the Chinese are only tying other people's developments, which they are not even able to intelligently reproduce. But all the same - China ponad usim. Or do they perceive the possible / probable near future as the present?

[Solomon Kane]

Intricate guys - these Chinese .... the main thing is to document, and there the grass does not grow ....
What the Chinese really succeeded in was cheap fakes, the Chinese proton engine comes to mind .......
Paul!

[bouncyhunter]

Kostya, hi! Well, do not forget the Asian trick.

[DVTamga]

You are confusing something. Those Chinese are not these Chinese at all. Not relatives or even roommates. Learn materiel)))))

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: svp67

A article, FOR INTERNAL USE. Maintain the image of your military equipment.

if, Seryoga ..., -

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[svp67]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Sina.com is one of the largest Chinese-language websites

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Sina Weibo

Well, that's all that is INTERNAL. For the world it is necessary that there would be an English version.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: svp67

Well, that's all that is INTERNAL. For the world it is necessary that there would be an English version.

It brings together more than 500 million users worldwide.

Serge, take a word, I rummaged, there is this Sina. and in English version.

[tol100v]

Quote: svp67

All TOTAL.

AND DRALOSCOPED! Although you must pay tribute to this skill!

[New Year day]

Quote: svp67

All TOTAL.

a good copy is also not bad + own inventions

Quote: svp67

but they are clearly progressing

China progresses in military construction, steamships are launched monthly

Quote: svp67

we need to put a lot of effort into setting up production of everything in our factories.

what about the labor force in the country? Is it possible?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: svp67

Only in something ... I still do not see something that would be INVENTED in China. All TOTAL.

And they are not shy about it. Mindful of the fact that in the recent past, China was a country where the population "sat on drugs," he began to struggle with this problem. But proud and rebellious Russia "allows itself" the presence of three percent of the population dependent on drugs, lobbying for the interests of traffickers and selling narcotic drugs without prescriptions - if necessary ...

[loki565]

There, for drugs, death, by the way, many of our guys from the Far East, tried to transport drugs to the inside of China under the guise of tourists, almost all were executed and this is somehow not spread in the media, but in vain, it will be another lesson ...

[Misha Honest]

Quote: svp67

A article, FOR INTERNAL USE. Maintain the image of your military equipment. Although I agree, we need to put a lot of effort into setting up production of everything in our factories.

I am sincerely sorry that you are so slow-witted. About

Quote: svp67

A article, FOR INTERNAL USE. Maintain the image of your military equipment. Although I agree, we need to put a lot of effort into setting up production of everything in our factories.

If you voted for GDP, then do not expect anything good - it’s better to prepare yourself to defend yourself and your loved ones. We are now a country of business and businessmen. So it would be better if you were looking for good people who will support you, and not hoping for a chance in the form of a state.

[kuz363]

But maybe reliability plays a secondary role compared to quantity and price? After all, modern battle with tanks is fleeting. And what difference does a reliable and expensive tank die or less reliable, but cheap? And by the number of them you can buy more. Moreover, the possibilities of defeating tanks are very large - Javelin, helicopters, airplanes ...

[Skif83]

Well, this is from the same opera about 2 billion Chinese.
You won’t praise yourself; hell who praises.
For example, there is a lot of talk about Chinese consumer goods, can someone say that the quality is on top? Nothing of the kind. Many have experience shopping on Aliexpress, etc. The only thing seduces the price, and the quality of that is the main thing for the most part.
That's the same with technology, I suspect ...

[Muvka]

And what types of weapons do the Chinese deliver to the above countries?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Muvka

And what types of weapons do the Chinese deliver to the above countries?

Yes, they wrote here already. Satellites, coastal vessels, aircraft. Now here is the BMP. They work fast.

[Muvka]

Can you write models? I want to search for contracts.

[Mordvin 3]

To Argentina - combat training Hongbu, Shaanxi transporters (uv, tortured to draw names), VRSS satellites, the article says about BMPs, look for the ships yourself And why is there looking at contracts, China has given them more than a hundred billion loans. Latinos climb into bondage.

[yehat]

armored vehicles, drones, airplanes, all kinds of electronic stray, anti-tank weapons, small fleet and a bunch of other junk.

[New Year day]

Quote: rocket757

We lose only in one, as our leading elite.

This is a serious brake. The head determines everything.

[rocket757]

Good evening Sylvester
It is very disappointing, or rather, takes evil, because not so long ago we were a great POWER, the words and deeds of which the whole world listened to and looked closely at.
If we did not have an example of the ancestors who in the most difficult years after the Revolution and the Civil, and then after the Great Patriotic War accomplished great things and raised their economic and military potential to significant heights for the whole world!
Who helped them then? If given, then for a lot of money. And interfere, consider the same.
The people, of course, endured the whole burden of industrialization and restoration on their hump, but the leaders were mostly competent and, what is important, they did not drag anything into their pocket! Yes, betrayal happened, also the party elite sold the country, people, and we, like a bar ... ignoramus bought a beautiful wrapper and sweet promises ... then we had to eat not sweet sweets .... then we’ll make a list of the rake by which we we walk, it makes no sense, everything is already in the courses.
Okay, it’s capitalism. Most of the population does not fatten, but lives \ survives, but the people endure, wait!
And what do we see? The country is not developing REALLY! If we do not stomp on the spot, then we crawl like snails, we eat up the Soviet legacy, the resources found / developed by the identity not now!
Let us still get in the way, try to ruin, plunder ... but, we have millionaires too ... Christmas trees sticks to figs, officials, with authorities and similar villas they build \ buy, yachts, football clubs and so on, so on, and the people are mainly responsible.
Those. in addition to external strains, our country, at least, does not develop, and it’s so easy to ruin garlic, our powerful, political and financial elite !!!
In the cursed west, we can do the same, but in developed countries strict rules of the “game” have long been established and they will not allow anyone to just ruin the country, sell it for personal interests and many other important, necessary restrictions !!!
Question - WE ARE PAPAUSIA UNLAWFUL OR GREAT POWER WANTED TO BE ???

Fuh, it’s incurred; at my tooth again it hurts INFECT!

[New Year day]

Good evening! I completely agree with your opinion. It's a shame that the current government treats ordinary people as under the Union, although then it was possible to find the truth. and now....
At least we found the Union, there is something to remember. I did not think that I would be happy to recall the pioneer, the Komsomol. The construction teams left for BAM from the 17th Congress of the Komsomol — it hurt me so much that it almost pulled after them.
There was a homeland, for which the majority was ready to do everything.
And now? like there at Rosenbaum-
Nightingales sing near Kursk,
In Moscow, backsides, as before, are licking ...
I love my homeland, But I hate the state!
Everywhere thieves, wherever you spit,
Boriska is again called "to the kingdom" ...
I love my Motherland, But I hate the state!
They don’t give people money
Rockets send to Mars ...
I love my Motherland And I hate the state!

There used to be an idea and not enough money, now there are no ideas, no money.
How protected is a simple person?
Many times worse than then.
But times do not choose, they live in them. I just want a peaceful sky and a decent life for my children and grandchildren.
Well, the authorities do not understand. that the power of the state is neither in rockets, nor in airplanes, but in the standard of living of a simple person who is capable of much for the sake of the country, but also wants a decent life in return.
Indeed, I want to live by the rules, but it turns out - according to the concepts.
Under the Union, a publication in the Pravda newspaper could put an end to the career of any official. and now .... The raven will not peck out the crow's eye.
Therefore there is no answer

Quote: rocket757

Question - WE ARE PAPAUSIA UNLAWFUL OR GREAT POWER WANTED TO BE ???

A tooth must be treated! Good health!

[True]

Quote: rocket757

Question - WE ARE PAPAUSIA UNLAWFUL OR GREAT POWER WANTED TO BE ???

Answer: WE ARE PAPASSIANS UNLAWFUL, but GREATER WANTED TO BE. But wanting is not harmful.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: True

WE ARE PAPASSION ILLEGAL ...

And where are we, the "Papuan lawless"? Who offended you, orphan? Help, maybe with what?

Quote: True

but GREAT POWER WANT TO BE

"Greetings from Big Hangover", is it not otherwise?

Quote: True

But wanting is not harmful

But this is right .... although, again, depending on what you want ... if one hundred grams in the morning, then it’s definitely harmful

[rocket757]

Golovan Jack (Roman) Today, 05:02 And where are we, "The Papuan Lawless"? Who offended you, orphan? Help, maybe with what?

I have all the rules, a sin to complain.
As one wonderful hero of the film said - For the state it’s a shame -.

"Greetings from Big Hangover", is it not otherwise?

Nope, how judging yourself is not warming yourself, dental suffering overtook me, pulls me either to philosophize or swear!
Must visit the tooth fairies!

[rocket757]

True (Yuri) Today, 04:48
Answer: WE ARE PAPASSIANS UNLAWFUL, but GREATER WANTED TO BE. But wanting is not harmful.

Not harmful, unpromising! If you persistently DO NOT WORK for just such a goal!

[loki565]

Uh, how would you compare the standard of living in Brazil and yours, it’s still not known who the macaque will be))) The Chinese have a naval version of the BMP with excellent seaworthiness, it can reach the speed at glider speed, our version of the BMP3 can only dream about it))) It seems were going to build for new landing ships, but the campaign this project is buried along with the Mistrals)))

[rocket757]

Enta BMP went beautifully, the question was - and it will be reliable, but whether it is necessary to sacrifice many others for the sake of gliding ... and a bunch of other questions.
I do not appreciate it, just efficiency and reasonable sufficiency often overpower all the bells and whistles!

[poquello]

Quote: loki565

The Chinese have a naval version of the BMP with excellent seaworthiness, it can reach glycer speed, our version of the BMP3 can only dream about it)))

what, straight glides and shoots? ))))))))))

[novobranets]

Quote: poquello

what, straight glides and shoots?

Nope. Doesn't shoot. Yes, and she goes shitty. And a few people enter it ... But then it glides.

[Bar1]

This problem has been going on for decades, soon Iranians, Vietnamese, but not ours, will already be making their thermal imagers. Russia is not an independent country, it’s just a ban on computers and everything is high-tech.

[rocket757]

Is this an assumption or an objective fact? I spoke and will speak for the sad state of our electronic industry, but there is no exact understanding of why everything was ruined and do not want to be restored?

[Alf]

Quote: rocket757

only there is no exact understanding of why everything was ruined and do not want to be restored?

Why an extra competitor?

[rocket757]

Removing competitors is an important argument, but the sho option was made in fulfillment of the desire to drive the enemy into the pre-industrial age, too, it is not worth denying.

[kuz363]

What does it mean to restore? Follow Western technology? And then if they agree to sell. World markets are already occupied by their products. And without exporting the same chips, their own products will cost tens of times more expensive, because it is necessary to build large-scale production. But the entire quantity cannot be used within any country and export is needed.

[rocket757]

And who said that it will be easy and simple!
We need a thoughtful plan!
So the question we want to ask is ours, the upper ones - Do you have a plan, Mr. GDP ... Schaub was understandable, but where exactly are we going?

[siberalt]

Oh well. Do the Chinese have their own version of the fox "Fox and Grapes"?

[venik]

Quote: Angry 55

There is a truth to it ..

============
There is! There is! AND VERY Primitive!!!!
China enters the global arms markets, and the main competitor (by the criterion of "cost / effectiveness") for it (China) is the competitor ..... Not the "states", not the "EU" - RUSSIA!!!!
And the question is, what else statements from the "partners" (sorry! - "fellow travelers" (!)) Can still be expected ???

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Evil 55

There is a truth to this .. But the basis still lies in the training of soldiers and commanders .. There is no point in trusting the macaque with the PU-12 fire control panel ...

The problem is not soldiers’s training, but Russia’s loss of its market share, which is stupidly leaving because our "underdevelopment" government did not want to invest in the development of its technologies, which is why our military-industrial complex is forced to buy imported components supporting a foreign manufacturer instead of its own.

[NEXUS]

The Chinese portal Sina.com has released material stating that the three leading countries of Latin America - Argentina, Brazil and Chile have stopped buying Russian weapons, preferring Chinese.

An example of clumsy black PR ... the Chinese have not gone far in the matter of the culture of fair competition from the United States.

[bouncyhunter]

Hi Andrey! The struggle for arms markets (and sales markets in general) is the same war. And in the war, as you know, all means are good. The mattresses were the first to cut it through, now the Chinese ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Hi Andrey!

Hello Pasha

Quote: bouncyhunter

The mattresses were the first to cut it through, now the Chinese are here.

It is a pity that it will not reach us soon.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: NEXUS

It is a pity that it will not reach us soon.

I hinted at this and had no doubt that you would understand what I was not saying.

[NEXUS]

Quote: bouncyhunter

I hinted at this and had no doubt that you would understand what I was not saying.

There is an industrial economy, but there is a financial one ... and Kedmi is right a thousand times that mattresses feed the financial economy ... the same F-35 is a financial project, not an industrial one. Otherwise, the F-35 would be better than its predecessors everyone ... and now this financial product (product) mattresses are pushing everyone they reach. This can be said about the Euro missile defense and much more.
The US industrial economy ended when the Raptor assembly lines were dismantled and the tank factory in Detroit closed.

[bouncyhunter]

Based on your words, I conclude that all the words of Trump about the protection of American manufacturers is another financial project.

[NEXUS]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Based on your words, I conclude that all the words of Trump about the protection of American manufacturers is another financial project.

But Trump is not a financier, no? Mattresses are driving consumer goods so to speak ... that is, what China has been doing for 20-40 years ... but the Chinese have raised industry about this ... and the US is stupidly cutting money.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: NEXUS

And Trump is not a financier, no?

What kind of financier is he? Huckster, huckster!

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: NEXUS

and this is not the same hu ... artistic idea?

The same, but I do not like to wrap the dirty essence in a beautiful wrapper.

[tol100v]

Quote: NEXUS

.This can be said about the euro missile defense and much more.

And NATO itself is a commercial project!

[penal battalion]

Gentlemen! No need to panic! As a person who is more or less related to the Russian military-industrial complex, I inform you that the Toad visited the gentlemen from under Heaven ..... that's why they fake ....
They are up to our technology, as to the moon ..... in the pose of "Sue" ...
As an example:

"The principle of operation of the Black Rays complex is as follows: a missile is launched from a combat aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces, instead of a warhead, a powerful generator of electromagnetic waves (EMW) is installed. At the calculated time, the generator emits a wide-directional pulse, which disables all electronic and electrical devices in a certain radius. "

[bouncyhunter]

Irina So no one panicked - this is not about us. Just a statement of the fact that the Chinese wishful thinking.

[penal battalion]

In no case, Pasha ...... This is for gentlemen - "all is lost" .....
And you, as you can see, are gushing with optimism, and ... in any case ........

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Penalty

And you, as you can see, are gushing with optimism, and in any case ..

"Yankee Doodle was in Hell, says cool." (with)

[New Year day]

this

Quote: Penalty

complex "Black Rays"

do we sell or for ourselves? For myself, after all, the best and this is normal. And we are talking about the arms market, i.e. that for sale. Although we have sold a lot to China from the modern, and then we see copies with their abbreviation

[True]

Quote: Penalty

As an example:

"The principle of operation of the Black Rays complex is as follows: from a combat aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces

From a spaceship) ... cosmic forces. These little jerks smiled, thanks). Familiar handwriting)))) Volodya, you slept))))))))))

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: NEXUS

An example of clumsy black PR ... the Chinese have not gone far in the matter of the culture of fair competition from the United States.

The namesake, is it possible in more detail about "fair competition" in the modern world?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

The namesake, is it possible in more detail about "fair competition" in the modern world?

Andrey, not so long ago, the concept of black PR for manufacturers was generally an unwritten taboo. And now this technique is used constantly and with pleasure by all.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: NEXUS

Andrey, not so long ago, the concept of black PR for manufacturers was generally an unwritten taboo.

Ah, Andyukha, the times of the "gallant age" have sunk into History (Fly), now margin, money, cynicism. everything. (point)

[NEXUS]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Ah, Andyukha, the times of the "gallant age" have sunk into history, now margin, loot, cynicism. everything. (point)

And I'm not talking about the song, Andrei?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: NEXUS

And I'm not talking about the song, Andrei?

howling duet ....

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: NEXUS

An example of clumsy black PR ... the Chinese have not gone far in the matter of the culture of fair competition from the United States.

Do you watch TV ads? This is also part of PR ... I don’t know who benefits from this from the common population ....

[NEXUS]

Quote: ROSS 42

Do you watch TV ads? This is also part of PR ... I don’t know who benefits from this from the common population ....

And you carefully take a look at one moment ... say the manufacturers of Heden shampoo in advertising say that Pantin is worse?

[Beltasir matyagu]

Chinese - not Western technology? The Chinese in mind ....
On the whole head. Competitive Chinese roll off rinks from the tank. And from the machine guns receiver bounce in the face. This is the secret of Chinese garbage competitiveness. Inside rot, smooth paint outside

[210ox]

These are Chinese magazines. However, the Chinese produce copies of Western technologies in their home, and in large quantities. And we give birth to something new for a long time.

[NN52]

Of the three countries written in the article, two do not have money at all (Argentina and Brazil), Chile lives on copper due to copper ...
And what are we reasoning about?
Then to talk about bad loans again?
Now let China knock out money from Venezuela ... (or will oil be exported from there, offsetting ..)
Chinese yellow press ...

[210ox]

By the way, the Brazilians themselves produce a lot of military equipment, and it will do for their needs.

Quote: NN52

Of the three countries written in the article, two do not have money at all (Argentina and Brazil), Chile lives on copper due to copper ...
And what are we reasoning about?
Then to talk about bad loans again?
Now let China knock out money from Venezuela ... (or will oil be exported from there, offsetting ..)
Chinese yellow press ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

By the way, the Brazilians themselves produce a lot of military equipment, and it will do for their needs.

no one will attack Brazil except the states in the form of "aid", and in this case, they can resist, in Brazil, the Favel gangs in the guerrilla war, and our Nenashi in the Tribaltics ...

[voyaka uh]

And which Russian customers are creditworthy? Only India, perhaps, pays on time and in cash. But they could not agree with her on a 5th generation aircraft. And Indonesia sell fighters for palm oil. Turkey S-400 on credit.
The third world is problematic in relation to cash. Therefore it is called the third.

[NN52]

Alexey

Well, you don’t pay at all ... You have sponsorship of $ 3 billion a year ...
Which world do you belong to?

[voyaka uh]

To the very first. And you know why?
Because we sell the most wound military equipment the most
to the rich countries of the world, at high prices, and to us
pay cash.

[TermNachTer]

And what exactly has Israel developed itself? And did not steal or received as a gift from the Washington Reich Chancellery.

[Beltasir matyagu]

We give birth strained or not. Despite the cherished pennies. But they can’t. In general, the whole thing is in the brain. The Chinese even have a story invented with linden antiquity. And without our programmers from St. Petersburg, even the hadron collider did not start even the media and they are silent about it. Russians have the most talented people and the whole thing is in Russia's unique genetic pool

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Beltasir Matyagu

it's all about the unique genetic pool of Russia

The whole point is not in the uniqueness of the genetic pool, in that pool in the head that knocked out the remnants of the brains of the population. As a result of this, we have what we have. So far they have on all fronts, from diplomacy to humiliation in military battles, sporting events and business relations. Russia - Ilya Muromets, before the Kaliki came to him ...

[-Pollux]

Quote: 210ox

And we give birth to something new long and hard.

Therefore, the Chinese are two three generations behind the leaders.

[tol100v]

Quote: Beltasir Matyagu

Inside rot, smooth paint outside

Yes, and SGA products are also different: Inside rot and junk, and glitters with chrome for a lot of money! I wonder where they will find so much shiny paint for their "Tom Hook!"

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Tol100v

Yes, and SGA products are also different: Inside rot and junk, and glitters with chrome for a lot of money!

You tell this to those who have been waiting in line for iPhones and books about Harry Potter since the night ... And to those who work on Skif instead of Windows ...

[Alf]

Quote: Beltasir Matyagu

but the whole head. Competitive Chinese roll off rinks from the tank. And from the machine guns receiver bounce in the face. This is the secret of Chinese garbage competitiveness. Inside rot, smooth paint outside

Maybe. But they sell this rot and get quite high-quality money for it, which they allow for the good of the country.

[serg123]

Nobody has canceled the competition

[Bykov.]

It’s ridiculous to read this from the copywriters of our military industrial complex.

[210ox]

This is not from copy pasteurists, but from zhurnalyug .. Although yes, they fulfill the order of their manufacturers.

Quote: Bulls.

It’s ridiculous to read this from the copywriters of our military industrial complex.

[YaIK 105]

What, have already surpassed ... ??? Well ......... No words ... Who has it, write-china-they can only copy that. Amerikosy -... aces .. ..PUTIN-GLORY !!!

[conservative]

What, have already surpassed ... ??? Well ......... No words ... Who has it, write-china-they can only copy that. Amerikosy -... aces .. ..PUTIN-GLORY !!!

it is necessary, it is necessary to throw a stone in the direction of the Kremlin, Putin and in the direction of the cheers-patriots. How without it? And how can Putin wait without Putin?)
What a character are you)

Do you know why you don't like everything? Well, because that's how you organized your life and your family.

PS Think who you will blame for the troubles in 6 years, when Putin leaves - are not you afraid to catch the wedge?)

Although people like you will always find the guilty) You probably Medvedev is to blame)

You probably would have burned Moscow, right?)

[Muvka]

So what do they supply to these countries? Or saw the headline and let's whine?

[Master]

But they don’t lie. I don’t know about the quality of Russian military equipment. but then the Chinese are on the rise and sooner or later will displace not only Russia. but also usa from this market. This is obvious. Matter of time only)

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Master

But they don’t lie. I don’t know about the quality of Russian military equipment. but then the Chinese are on the rise and sooner or later will displace not only Russia. but also usa from this market. This is obvious. Matter of time only)

Everything in China is good, only the designers are bad. They can masterfully copy, but the arms market cannot be seized without offering innovative technology

[Master]

Quote: Vol4ara

Everything in China is good, only the designers are bad. They can masterfully copy, but the arms market cannot be seized without offering innovative technology

I do not agree with you. you can achieve a lot by copying from others. Yes, and you see, and they themselves will start doing their own thing. For example, I have no doubt about this. look for example. what does the Chinese com. Xeaomi. completely copying brands slowly begins to crowd them out of the market. True majors still continue to buy iPhones for $ 1000. but those who sit in minutes. defense. I think do not give a damn about the original. Ross technique or Chinese. Would not boast. here is a goof. I have a brand f35 you have Chinese garbage.

[reservist]

Quote: Master

look for example. what does the Chinese com. xeaomi

I use (and I recommend the rest) smartphones and other electronics of this brand, there is nothing outstanding in them, a normal, soundly made technique with a price tag below the average market, taking into account the current pace of obsolescence of electronics - this is it ...

[reservist]

By the way, note that xiaomi products are almost not sold in Europe
evil languages ​​claim that the matter, as usual, is the use by Chinese of foreign patents ...

[voyaka uh]

You are absolutely right. China is slowly and steadily crowding out everyone and everywhere. In all areas of production. And in international construction projects, in banking, in the service sector. Russia is psychologically incapable of accepting this, but over time it will become accustomed to a new reality.

[Mih1974]

That's just in the “time” and the question is - if it is a Year, then it’s wonderful (for them) if it is a Century, then - it’s forgive ASS The barbarians who burned Rome, too, later surpassed them both in culture and technology after 500 years

[reservist]

if we are talking about Germanic tribes, then they probably did not surpass, but caught up ...
410g. - the Goths sacked Rome
962 - Holy Roman Empire created

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Master

I don’t know about the quality of Russian military equipment.

This is not a problem. I am sure it will not be difficult for you to clarify this point through the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan - what samples of our weapons have been purchased recently, and how they show themselves in operation.

[Mountain shooter]

Does Chinese mean excellent? And we hear this from those who even lose on a specially prepared racing tank? Well, guys ... So far, everything the Chinese have done on their own - in military affairs - is somehow not very ...

[Your honor]

So the Chinese auto industry does not "shine"

[Alf]

Quote: Your Honor

So the Chinese auto industry does not "shine"

However, it is for sale. See how many Chinese cars in Russia. Cheap Yes. Not super new. Yes. But 20 years ago no one heard about the Chinese auto industry, and now they are not uncommon on our streets.

[Beltasir matyagu]

Their tank is based on Soviet made.

[tol100v]

Quote: Beltasir Matyagu

Their tank is based on Soviet

Based on Soviet sedans made!

[vladfill]

"... Chinese media: Russian military equipment is uncompetitive ...."

No wonder trying to sell a "pig in a poke" and even touted as unsurpassed
and which has no analogues .... on the market, equipment is sold - fired and FIRING, and not a sham.

[Bullba]

Innosmi, no further reading.

[starogil]

Do not read, see the duroscope.

[Mih1974]

then I watch "read" that it was the Chinese who placed the original S-300 and especially the S-400 around the largest cities, and "they push their own, which has no analogues in the world and is better than the Russian," pushing "where the calves did not drive calves." THEIR tank at our tankodrome (biathlon) even broke off the skating rink, and there, the Russian one is not competitively capable . Despite the fact that we are riding a "biathlon" on old T-72s, and the Chinese and yes everyone who wants to bring any of their development)). It would be interesting to see the competition of the Chinese tank, our “Almaty” and the Indian “Woojong”

[Maz]

And merkava with amrams and leclerc ... look

[tol100v]

Quote: Mih1974

our "Almaty" and the Indian "Woojoo"

And the American Abrams Obserun!

[Micfoster]

Praise yourself, criticize a competitor, the basics of marketing!

[The Siberian barber]

A strange statement, given that China itself is buying weapons from the Russian Federation. At the same time, he is trying to copy / steal the technology for its production.
It’s another matter that there is no mass production, as many would like. Hence, the cost (in comparison with Chinese) with all the consequences

[sir_obs]

PR slanted. Only here the tank at the price of scrap metal is metal scrap, like everything else.

[quote] [Chinese portal Sina.com released material / quote]

Well, about the headlines. Some portal there wrote, which should be taken out in zagovoooovo. And it flows as if all the media are writing.
And lately everyone has been suffering from all this and that. You read, it turns out that some newspaper unknown to anyone has grown another bredyat.

[1536]

And what kind of oddball came up with the letter m to buy equipment for military equipment in France? And after all, the French were selling ... And how are things with import substitution?

[Beltasir matyagu]

On t90 there used to be French matrices in thermal imagers. Now there are purely Russian

[TermNachTer]

Previously, there were Ukrainian ones - the Photoprilad plant in Cherkasy, now they are not standing and there is no plant. But now the Belarusian company "Yukon" delivers good quality.

[fa2998]

Quote: 210ox

Yes, in what they are right ... But what about the reliability of their Chinese technology?

Pomnitsa, the USSR drove “zahary” and other equipment, but the Chinese are learning fast, now Russia is riding Chinese cars and trucks. Moreover, buyers have a choice.
It’s the same in weapons, at first we sent, now the Chinese have learned. They are designing themselves. There are many samples that have no Russian analogues. And they export successfully. I think the buyer is testing the samples.

[Beltasir matyagu]

On Chinese trucks and cars goons who want whistles for a penny. The resource and strength of such machines is 1/10 of KAMAZ or VAZ

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: Beltasir Matyagu

On Chinese trucks and cars goons who want whistles for a penny. The resource and strength of such machines is 1/10 of KAMAZ or VAZ

No need to tryndet.

The Kamaz mixer after 1,5 years of operation in repair (there are Chinese components there, but they are not the ones that break down).
And the Chinese Hovo - concrete truck - plowed and plowed - in terms of time and mileage 4 times exceeded KAMAZ, and in spare parts - it came out several times more economical.
This is a personal experience.

On the Chinese bulldozer, the original hodovka serves 3500–7000 hours, on the domestic B-10, 1500–2000 hours — as in the USSR — backward technologies.
The Chinese have a better machine tool base - the Japanese machining centers MAZAK - no worse than equipment in Europe.



In 2008, there were 70 machines in this workshop and as many people worked, now there are 6 processing centers and one employee - the quality has become much better - and this simple tractor plant has been modernized over 10 years.

[_Ugene_]

Chinese media: Russian military equipment uncompetitive

therefore Russia is the second-largest arms exporter in the world and China is the fifth, while China itself is buying weapons from us

[shubin]

Practically, all Chinese military equipment is low-quality copies of the old Soviet, and at least more or less, new Russian.

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: shubin

Practically, all Chinese military equipment is low-quality copies of the old Soviet, and at least more or less, new Russian.

Do you know much about modern Chinese technology?
Judging by the statement - not a lot.
For example, the BMP Type 97 / ZBD-04 (VN11, export version of WZ502) is similar to the BMP-3 only in the combat module that was purchased in Tula.
The rest is original development.

[TermNachTer]

In the sense - very original, they “torn” everyone a little bit and now we pass it off as ours.

[KVU-NSVD]

Well, in principle, they are right .. Thank God there are still no alternative samples .. And the Chinese counterparts of our technique are not yet always comparable in quality, but ALREADY close to this .. Well, the Chinese can break the dumping prices to capture markets. It's sad ..

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Well, in principle, they are right .. Thank God there are still no alternative samples .. And the Chinese counterparts of our technique are not yet always comparable in quality, but ALREADY close to this .. Well, the Chinese can break the dumping prices to capture markets. It's sad ..

Ours have just begun to create gliding BMPs for the landing, and the Chinese have proposed a ready-made solution for floating

They turned out to be more hasty, so they won the contest.




BMP VN18 - the fastest fighting amphibian. The machine is capable of reaching a maximum speed of up to 65 km / h on land, and by water - up to 30 km / h. The creators claim that this is the “most powerful” technique in its class. BMP weighs more than 26 tons, engine power is 1600 horsepower.

Such machines are very specific, have very poor reservations and are designed to reach planing due to the use of water-jet engines.

[KVU-NSVD]

So I’m not saying that all of the Chinese military-industrial complex is a circle of copyists .. Having copied and mastered the technologies, they develop them, and innovative thought is also present there at the level characteristic of all mankind. And every year this is reinforced more and more by a growing engineering school. China in general and the Chinese military-industrial complex in particular are a classic example of the law of dialectics on the transition of quantity into quality ..

[TermNachTer]

And how many "eat" these 1600 liters. with. in maximum mode? How long is the fuel tank?

[Langf]

Fall off the stool if the Chinese would say exactly the opposite. And so everything is fine: the Allies quietly steep an ally to the accompaniment of a screeching "civilized" world. Though a small crib, it’s not at all a toy - money.

[Altona]

Quote: NEXUS

An example of clumsy black PR ... the Chinese have not gone far in the matter of the culture of fair competition from the United States.

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With tongue removed. Unfair competition in all its glory. The United States previously wrote about our fighters that they have a small motor resource and therefore are bad (MiG-29 100 hours, allegedly. F-16 10000). One to one.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Hah)), neighing. And this is said by Chinese women, in whom 70% of all military equipment is donated, bought or stolen from us (the USSR, the Russian Federation, Ukraine), 20% according to the technologies of Europe and the USA, and only 10% - conditionally their own. They didn’t have their own long-range and strategic air missile carrier for about 20 years, on the nuclear submarines they are 30 years behind us, Americans, British and French, in short only what we gave them, the same thing for fighters, jet and turboprop engines, etc. And the export of Russian defense industry products is 3 times more than that of synanthropes. I am silent about tanks - they were well seen at the biathlon)). That's something, but they specifically know how to stamp, plus shipbuilding is developing at a high pace and dough is immeasurable.
PS By the way, recently I got infa that China still has not mastered the manufacture of compact tactical nuclear weapons of low power for cruise missiles, because in Yeltsin's times we (visible under the pressure of the Americans, here thanks to them) flatly refused to share the technology. This dramatically reduces the significance of their already ancient H-6 and multi-purpose nuclear submarines.

[Yak28]

Russian equipment is generally cheaper than American, therefore it is bought if tanks and planes cost the same, I think most would choose American equipment. Yes, and the electronic filling seems better in the US. The Chinese themselves are great, they buy samples of our new equipment, They upgrade, copy and sell, and some Russian projects that do not find support in Russia are being successfully implemented in China, for example, the Chengdu J-10 fighter a bit like 1.44 IFI, Russian consultants from TsAGI and MiG Design Bureau participated in the creation of this aircraft. So China can put us in the belt in the future

[Anatoly83]

Quote: Yak28

Russian equipment is generally cheaper than American, therefore it is bought if tanks and planes cost the same, I think most would choose American equipment. Yes, and the electronic filling seems better in the US. The Chinese themselves are great, they buy samples of our new equipment, They upgrade, copy and sell, and some Russian projects that do not find support in Russia are being successfully implemented in China, for example, the Chengdu J-10 fighter a bit like 1.44 IFI, Russian consultants from TsAGI and MiG Design Bureau participated in the creation of this aircraft. So China can put us in the belt in the future

it is a Jewish development, and it started with the Frenchman

[EvilLion]

You do not understand what you are carrying, in peacetime you will not be able to sell licensed copies. They simply won’t have any business with you. And re-export is also prohibited.

[EvilLion]

Actually, duck planes are popular in Europe, and in the 80s it was a global trend, but we had only prototypes (MiG 1.44 and even the first Su-37, even before Su-27M No.711). With the advent of the 5 generation, popularity has somehow diminished, since there are problems with EPR.

[jaroff]

The Chinese said, sitting down in a chair in the cockpit of the Su-35 ....

[Aleksandr21]

In one, the Chinese are right, if our arms turnover to Argentina, Brazil, Chile in 2013 was $ 928 million and tends to zero in 2017, then something is wrong and there is something for our military-industrial complex to think about, nobody is competing in world markets canceled (to take the same India as the battle goes for this market) and other countries choose by price / quality, and if somewhere China is pushing us from the market, then we need to correct the situation. A separate topic is the quality of our weapons, for example, S-400, Su-57, Iskander, etc. clearly out of competition, and the Chinese military-industrial complex cannot offer such a product (in terms of quality / characteristics), but there are other products of military equipment that can compete with us, but Venezuela chose the Chinese BMP and not the Russian one, there is something to think about. ... RSZO seems to be quite good in China (I watched a long time ago video) and even so there is a list of weapons in which the Chinese can more than compete well ... perhaps our defense industry should work to reduce the cost of the product, or provide some good service bonuses / equipment repair / crew training, etc. In general, there is much to strive for.

[Non liberoid Russian]

Inexpensive and effective weapons were produced in the USSR, the authors of the article noted, the weapons of modern Russia are not competitive for the most part, so Russia is losing the arms market that China occupies, which produces high-quality equipment based on domestic components.

and much of the Chinese technology invented by the Chinese and not lapped or stolen from others? what about engine resources?

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

and much of the Chinese technology invented by the Chinese and not lapped or stolen from others? what about engine resources?

Well, they bought licenses STEYR, CUMMINS, Deutz, etc.
For example, the WD615 / WD10 manufactured by WEICHAI POWER have STEYR roots - very good engines - economical and reliable. The power of a tractor diesel with a little less than 10 liters of volume is like - like with a 14 liter D-180, the consumption is less, the resource is higher - many engines worked 17000 - 23000 hours before thorough repairs (for D-180 5000 m / h to which it may not finalize ... archaic).
The Chinese C6121 - this is an unlicensed cat 3306 - is also quite good.
Plus a ton of joint ventures with great engines like Dongfeng Cummins Engine Co., Ltd
That is, there are many localized productions - the quality corresponds to the original.

[Xenofont]

Chinese weapons for the poor-poor! The same VN-18 is a miserable semblance of an Amer gliding poher project, with twice the worst speed characteristics and ancient weapons. Lack of choice of engines, that in BTT, that in aviation, lack of many proprietary materials for key structural elements. But then they take in the quantity and relative cheapness of export products.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Xenofont

from VN-18, it’s a miserable semblance of an Amer planing, poached design, with twice the worst speed characteristics and ancient weapons.

And here, on the site, six months ago, they drew a new BMP, and wrote that it would be better than the Chinese one. True, she was only in the picture.

[Anatoly83]

Quote: Xenofont

Chinese weapons for the poor-poor! The same VN-18 is a miserable semblance of an Amer planing, poached design, with twice the worst speed characteristics and ancient weapons ..

about how. do you compare a prototype with a series? although we don’t even have a miserable likeness. I know, I know what for a glycer, avik, etc.

Quote: Xenofont

Lack of choice of engines in BTT, in aviation, lack of many proprietary materials for key structural elements. But then they take in the quantity and relative cheapness of export products.

but we have engines in the marine theme in bulk, though the Chinese have begun to install. weird

[Doliva63]

To be honest, in the late 80s, whoever could choose older weapons. But these are officers. And the radio operator once had a completely new AKSU that could easily shoot a store when shooting solo. As I remember right now - he made 2 solitary, and then the machine itself switched to the queue. The young fighter was at a loss, let him out of his hands. The machine, lying on the sand, shoots and spins. I had to step on my foot Still, the best is Soviet.

[top_war_shit]

and Chinese bullshit is loved all over the world

[tank66]

What is the bazaar. 928 lyamov.khm. Yes, one Abramovich once every 20 more sps .. in general, deduced. What is the truth - our military industry regularly needs to be flogged so that they are baptized not only when the thunder strikes ...

[Seaflame]

The military industry should not be flogged, but a good investment should be made and effective managers and all relatives should be put in place. To diversify the output so that the civilian is technologically advanced and in demand. It seems that there were steps in this direction, Superjet, MS-21, but somehow there are no impressive results so far.

[top_war_shit]

it's all a lie the package of orders for 55 billion in Russia almost diminished

[Wolka]

Well, yes, narrow-eyed take one-time, which is called a shot and threw away, because it's cheap ...

[BAI]

producing quality technology based on domestic components.

That's all. The long, but persistent process of destruction of domestic electronics gave the expected results.

[Seaflame]

The Chinese have taken a good pace! If in Russia in the coming years there will be no economic and technological breakthrough, then in 10 years China will catch up with us, or even overtake, in almost all components of military technology. It is necessary to scratch ...

[Orakul2000]

Well, gentlemen, someone still had doubts about how much China is your friend and ally? And what will happen when they really tighten the quality of production of their weapons?

[Seaflame]

Well, Israel will definitely not want to become our ally ...

[Sands Careers General]

Trading competition, nothing personal.

Are you a Jew, or where, in order not to understand such elementary things?

And about the "tightened production quality" I strongly doubt it. The brand "Made in China" will still amaze the world with its quality, or rather its absence))

[-Pollux]

Quote: Orakul2000

And what will happen when they really tighten the quality of production of their weapons?

How will they do this without basic science?

[Anatoly83]

China has more choices. We generally have no analogs for their behi for Venezuela (for speed afloat, for example), so they bought it from China. On the sea they are a destroyer, and they can use the whole range, but we are a frigate, a submarine and less current. Migrated aviation 21, you want a budget, you want from afar. while the planes are for the poor, they’ll buy the latest avionics from the Jews, then Khan, from us.
about Argentina pleased the promising market (sarcasm)

[senima56]

The article is largely fair, but with regard to the statement "... China, producing high-quality equipment ..." this is generally nonsense! We saw this "high-quality equipment" at the "Tank Biathlon" as it stalled and the tracks were torn!

[Ros 56]

The article is as fair as a Chinese Kalashnikov assault rifle, a miserable fake.

[Opera]

I don’t even want to talk about weapons ... Some Chinese miracle wrote about the Chinese miracle, that other miracles would buy this miracle ... Well, they wrote it all right. And, as for the oldest nation, they have become one since the time the Jesuits took up their history! They had to ... As for the compass and gunpowder, in one of our textbooks for high school I read here that the Chinese also invented a hole in the wall, a loophole called! Chinese pseudo-historical values ​​flooded the entire world market of antiquity! Speaking of simple bullshit! And they don’t let anyone into excavations on their territory ... Probably they are shy of their antiquity. Very modest. They learned to copy, something better, something worse! What do you buy, gentlemen ?! Copy or original? Yes, and the fools in the world are not so much mean pays twice!

[Livonetc]

WHOLE CHINESE MEDIA !!!
We cry together, with crocodile tears over our military-industrial complex.
Everything was lost, which was acquired by overwork.

[smart ass]

Articles for domestic consumption

[Vladimir K.]

Unfortunately, the Chinese are right. Our military-industrial complex, which has not yet shown good results on the Soviet backlog, begins to bend under the guidance of the current "effective" managers. What is the difference in salaries for specialists at important defense enterprises and for all sorts of top and middle managers. A case in point is that for a trip to a failed launch from Roscosmom’s Eastern top management, a business jet was rented for, in my opinion, 12 million rubles (round-trip), and ordinary workers at the Roscosmos plants at the same time receive a salary that is hardly it’s enough to make ends meet. ”The situation strongly resembles the Russian Empire before the start of World War I: an insignificant part of citizens rave about fat, throwing money, and the vast majority lives, to say the least, not rich.

[Sands Careers General]

Paid article for potential buyers.
Like "buy ours" !, not from Russia))

The tank, by the way, which was at the biathlon - is complete rubbish. The rink fell off. Well, China does not have its own tank school.

[Opera]

The main buyer of Chinese weapons is Pakistan. The main buyer of weapons in general (various manufacturing countries and traditionally Russian) is India. An interesting fact is not it ?! Sales of Chinese weapons in other regions of the world have only recently fallen, including in both Americas ...

[Sands Careers General]

India is rich, it must be spud.
And Chinese weapons are only for the poor.

[tank64rus]

Well, so ask Stalin’s bureaucrats from snickering bureaucrats if there’s a mess.

[Vadim237]

And they will answer, give money for the modernization of production, as well as for the creation and launch of a series of new developments.

[g1v2]

The casket just opens. Bloodless coups have occurred in Argentina and Brazil. And both presidents, who relied on the purchase of weapons from us, left. Rusef was impeached, and the American informant Temer replaced her. Wikilix posted the info about his knocking at the US Embassy. Kirchner left and the American protege also became president of Argentina. Chile has always focused on purchases in the west and has never looked at our weapons
Weapons are always sold by politics. By the one who buys weapons from whom it is immediately evident who is friends with whom and against whom. The presidents of Brazil and Argentina, friendly to us, have left - there are no purchases of weapons from us.
In general, given the influence of the United States in the region, there are very few countries there that can push our weapons. Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba, Ecuador, well, maybe Bolivia. The rest are unlikely to make any serious purchases from us. Well, unless we bring our people to power there.

[Ros 56]

Here are the clowns, they all stole from us, and not only from us, all over the world, but they also roll a barrel at us. So what are they better than striped?

[NordUral]

Not Chinese clowns, but "our" authorities since the 80s.

[exo]

"... Alexander Arkhipov, chief designer of the latest diesel engine of Zvezda PJSC - M-150 Pulsar - explains that the engine from China for ships of project 21631 is a licensed copy of the German" civilian "marine diesel engine TBD622, while the manufacturing company Deutz-MWM has already left the market, while the Chinese product does not fully comply with the operational conditions of the Navy

Henan TBD620V12 diesel engines for the project 21980 Rook head anti-sabotage boat also do not really suit the fleet. In September 2016, at the first stage of sea trials in the Rybinsk Reservoir, two engines of the Grachonok special-purpose boat broke down at once.

Alexander Simakov, the former head of the department of operation of surface ships of the 1st Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense, recalled that the decision of one of the commanders-in-chief to use foreign diesel engines for Russian warships was the basis for a number of industry experts to contact law enforcement agencies. Simakov called the deadlock way of purchasing engines abroad, but at the same time pessimistic about the prospects of diesel import substitution. In his opinion, for success it is necessary to rebuild the entire production process, starting with metal rolling. And abandon the CHINESE COMPONENTS .... "(c)
An occasion to think about the quality of Chinese products, even released under license.
Taken from here: https: //flotprom.ru/2018/

[donavi49]

Arkhipov forgot to point out several key facts:
- M-150 - 100% development by AVL List GmbH, it also produced an experimental batch in Austria of the 12 model of 1440 kW cylinders. Supervision and technical support of Wärtsil. Reference localization on 70 Star% to 22 year.

- current production - a pair of 2x56 cylinders, which were made on behalf of the Secretary General Khrushchev for promising small missile boats. Today it is a stone age in service, profitability and resource. 8000 hours, the Chinese, whom he so scolds 24 000 hours for example. That is, if a monster from the Star scatters the compartment at 9000 hour - this is an occasion for a patriotic article in the media and an application for a premium for high quality and confirmation of competencies. If a Chinese diesel engine at 15 000 hour is an occasion for complaints and trial.

- The main problem with the Chinese laying = Marine Propulsion Systems. They really messed up with the order for 21631 (in fact, the assembly did not meet the necessary and on-the-fly bought additional components - remaking the already delivered units in the person that was originally needed to be ordered).

[exo]

Thanks, interesting details. In the mid-90s, the airline where I work bought from the Chinese brakes for the Tu-154. The quality was not impressive. Although, many years have passed. As now, things are there, I can’t say.

[New Year day]

Quote: exo

A Chinese product does not fully meet the operating conditions of the Navy

and the Chinese Navy is satisfied? Could quality be better for internal use?

[private person]

Quote: dog breeder

210query (Dmitry)
Yes, in what they are right ... But what about the reliability of their Chinese technology?
Tank biathlon watched?

You don’t confuse the child-bearing organ with a finger, the manual assembly technique on biathlon. And breakdowns happen at all, to say that China does not have low quality equipment. An example is the same two phones of different brands, both made in China, and the quality is different.

[NordUral]

You can’t argue with the Chinese. Even swear words are not enough to characterize the situation. And the main thing is not at all in the export of weapons, but in the armament of our own aircraft.

[nikoliski]

Nothing, they will soon make a clone of S-400 and Su-35 sold to them and will sell around the world like hot cakes

[arhPavel]

And that’s why China is buying weapons in the Russian Federation, and still can’t copy the engine for aircraft ..
It's a shame to read, such, but also the amounts are not large, the price of a Mi-8 helicopter is 10 million bucks, an empty Mi-24 is 3 million and there are still spare parts and training weapons ... Even if we average 300 million, this is 20 helicopters. ...

[flicker]

Russia is losing the arms market that China occupies, producing high-quality equipment based on domestic components.

Of course, competition is what you can’t write. To the words about “high-quality equipment” they would add “proven in battles”

[hhhhhhh]

Where did Chinese technology fight?

[KERMET]

I wanted to write something patriotic, but using a good quality Chinese smartphone is somehow inconvenient

[Salx]

hmm... trolls are not the same nowadays... or if you are not a troll, then you have seen so much cartoons for children that you have an idea of ​​war only as fighting between toasters, irons, refrigerators, smartphones...?
yes, and a quick question... guess whose processor is in this good Chinese smartphone and who owns many of the patents for the hardware used in it?

[Alf]

Quote: hhhhhhh

Where did Chinese technology fight?

The Chinese sold the last Type-59 in 2011. Tell me, where did these tanks NOT fight?

[nikoliski]

Where did Type 59 fight successfully? this is a degraded T-55, British experts generally called it the worst tank when firing on the move

[Salx]

this.. well, a very small clarification.. Type 59 (factory index WZ-120) is a licensed version of the Soviet T-54A tank.. these fought in many places and were very successful.
And again on the agenda is the question “where did Chinese technology fight?” Not something that was made under licenses (with all technological chains), but independently copied and developed.

[hhhhhhh]

So where exactly did they fight? What war?

[sleeve]

By the way, I don’t remember the participation of Chinese tanks, armored personnel carriers... Yes, even machine guns in active combat operations. I exclude the “partisanship” of the most patriotic option, where they stole something from it and fired it... I’m silent about “export” aviation... Chinese. For me, it’s cheaper to buy layouts and arrange them according to the bases. Moreover, China is a closed country, so when will we find out the resource corridors for each unit and their repair turnover. But for me, if in a Chinese armored personnel carrier EVERYTHING except the armored hull changes in three years (and for 10% of the price of a new one), I wouldn’t be surprised...

[Anatoly83]

Quote: hhhhhhh

Where did Chinese technology fight?

Iran-Iraq war, Afghanistan, Uganda-Tanzania, civil war in Sri Lanka, Yemen (now) and many other places

[NordUral]

It’s not a matter of Chinese technology, but what we have to equip ours with for now.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: svp67

Only in something ... I still do not see something that would be INVENTED in China. All TOTAL.

And they are not shy about it. Mindful of the fact that in the recent past, China was a country where the population "sat on drugs," he began to struggle with this problem. But proud and rebellious Russia "allows itself" the presence of three percent of the population dependent on drugs, lobbying for the interests of traffickers and selling narcotic drugs without prescriptions - if necessary ...

This rotten fake about “3% of drug addicts” is no longer used even by die-hard liberals)). There are less than 1,5 million drug addicts in the Russian Federation; in terms of their number, we are not even among the top five.

[Salx]

Quote: SERVER

Why then did the Chinese buy the uncompetitive S-400 and SU-35 from Russia...

What do you mean why?? Copy-copy-copy ))))) (sarcasm )... BUT to cover the most dangerous areas, the Chinese leadership will supply precisely the uncompetitive Russian S-400s, and not super-duper duper Chinese copies... as was already the case with the previously purchased S-300s.

[Strashila]

Only in reports of military operations around the world, Soviet and Russian military equipment is mainly present. Perhaps the main distinguishing feature of Russian military equipment in relation to Chinese is that it is not disposable and repairable.

[Salx]

How funny it is to read such clowns) “Chinese is the best!!! S300, and .. Russian originals.

Whose engines are in Chinese “super-duper” planes?))) ... Oh, it can’t be..))))))

Yes, and I advise you to read a funny story about some smart-ass buyers who bought Chinese copies of the C300, refusing ours because of the high cost... they saved, they saved))))))

[private person]

The whole point of the article is not about the quality of the equipment, but that Russia is losing its sales market and China, on the contrary, is increasing it. Open and look who assembled your computer made in China (China) and I strongly doubt that all the S-300 electronics are made in Russia.

[Salx]

Let's start with the fact that I assembled it)))) and what you call made in China (China)..., they basically stamp it under licenses and patents that belong to.. OP-PA Americans))))

Russia has its own arms market due to the quality of the equipment, and the Chinese due to the price... with all that entails. The funny thing is... Russia's portfolio is only growing)))) And China is filling the niche of countries that can only afford to buy weapons of the "simpler" class (because there is no USSR, and Russia simply does not want to give modern weapons for free).

And the article is one of those that are churned out by Indians))))))

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: SAlx

How funny it is to read such clowns)

It’s just funny to read people like you. China is already supplying Belarus with armored cars, has reached 6th place in arms exports, and you keep yelling about the printer country. The question is not what they are copying there, the question is how quickly they will overtake us in arms exports.

[Salx]

you can immediately see a person who buys cheaply, but often, instead of buying more expensively, but once)))

They will not overtake us in arms exports, but the fact that over time they will be able to thoroughly establish themselves in third place is certain.

and so... I read here, I don’t read here, I wrap fish here...

Russia has its own arms market due to the quality of the equipment, and the Chinese due to the price... with all that entails. The funny thing is... Russia's portfolio is only growing)))) And China is filling the niche of countries that can only afford to buy weapons of the "simpler" class (because there is no USSR, and Russia simply does not want to give modern weapons for free).

[MKPU-115]

Chinese media: Russian military equipment is uncompetitive - well, judging by the Chinese auto industry, in one phrase: A LOT OF BAD COPIES.

[-ш-]

Well, yes, but they themselves buy from Russia

[Unbearable]

Chile? How much Russian weapons has this country bought? Zero! What about Chinese? Also zero? Chile actually gives preference to the weapons of other countries.

[nikoliski]

Not because the Chinese have better quality and better performance characteristics, but they are stupidly cheaper

[loki565]

[Quote
“The principle of operation of the Black Rays complex is as follows: a missile is launched from a combat aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces instead of a warhead, a powerful generator of electromagnetic waves (EMW) is installed. At the calculated moment, the generator emits a broadly directed pulse that disables all electronic and electrical devices within a certain radius." [/quote] Read the yellow press less, there were no black rays))) Back in the USSR, they developed a technique for exploding a nuclear bomb in the stratosphere and burning out the enemy’s electronics with EMP. Only now in a local conflict no one is using Ya.Z. and protection against EMP was also invented a long time ago

[keeper03]

China has already begun to “bite” us! Yeah, we're getting smaller!!!

[mumhe]

The whole discussion is pouring from empty to empty :) Maybe because no one has yet uttered the word Israel? :)

[-Pollux]

Quote: mumhe

The whole discussion is pouring from empty to empty :) Maybe because no one has yet uttered the word Israel? :)

Do you want to talk about this topic? For a fee, I will scold you very much, if you pay well, I will even get a ban.

[Radical]

Quote: Tatiana

Russia is losing the arms market that China occupies, producing high-quality equipment based on domestic components.

It's not even the market! Namely.
The presence of domestic components for the production of military equipment, as such, plays a fundamentally colossal role during the war and preparation for war!

NATO’s war with Russia is on the nose — and according to the Pentagon’s plans on Russian territory! Don’t turn a blind eye to this! In the strategic plan, Russia is no longer up to the market.
And if the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation does not make a swift substitution of imports of component parts as quickly as possible, then Russia can, by and large, lose this war - and it will certainly lose it!
The government of the Russian Federation, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation needed to think about this even a year ago 2!
And now Russia needs to get out of this situation as soon as possible.

We should have thought about this at least 18 years ago, as well as many other things!

[Bogatyrev]

By the way, I’ll say it right away, discarding all jingoism and mischief. There is a problem with the element base and it is a big problem. The USSR was far behind the West in terms of element base.
If Russia successfully integrates with China, the problem will be partially solved if agreements are reached with them on the division of markets. And besides, the West stood very well on high-quality electronics in the 80-90s, when their economy was more than half the world’s. Now everything is completely different. And China also does not dominate the world and does not have such prospects. Therefore, those Russian percentages multiplied by the uniqueness of some technologies, geopolitical, resource influence and military power may turn out to be decisive. But you need to understand this and act wisely. And stupidly blaming the Chinese or shouting is all lost - you don’t need a lot of intelligence here.

[StVahmistr]

Quote: maxim947

But the fact that we are lagging behind is a fact, and we are not hiding it, so we will catch up with it, everyone will enjoy it.))

Teacher to student: Hmmm, Vovochka..... Looks like you're in your second year...

[militia2]

Competition will only intensify. Marx also wrote that if there is 5% of profit, then capital revives, if 10% - he is ready to sell his own mother, and if 20% - there is no crime that he would not commit. Well, you need to learn to sell. And here we will definitely be ahead! Why? The Chinese waste their corrupt merchants, but our Serdyukov and those like him are as pure and sinless as glass! And ready for battle!

[Zomanus]

Chinese weapons are good for those countries
which no one needs to fight against them.
I rode in the parade several times a year,
and then just touch up mine...
So we can’t get into this niche.
Well, if you need to fight and win,
they don’t even look at the Chinese.

[mumhe]

Quote: Bogatyrev

the problem will be partially solved if we reach agreements with them on the division of markets.

Oops. Don't make my testicles funny. Will China share its 90 percent of the electronics market with Russia? Have you gone crazy, my dear? This is how he takes and gives for a healthy life of 35-40 billion dollars a year? And don’t you want to add Taiwanese-Malaysian and other Singaporean factories, where 90 percent of the world’s countries are riveting their contact science? There is no subjunctive mood in the present tense, well, there is none, If only, if only, but then wrap it up at a discount. You tell me one, ONE, the only Russian production of electronics elements and components that is in demand in the world. Where is the Russian share in the electronics market? The most reasonable technical proposal that I have seen recently is to equip Russian Glonass satellites with underwater equipment already at the production stage. Remember, as long as the state’s paw rests on the best and most advanced technical developments, these developments will not exist for peaceful purposes. Musk is not Rogozin. Mozilla is not Cheburashka. And Electrolux is not Vyatka-automatic. It’s not the Russian people’s fault that they don’t have their own normal electronics, it’s not their fault. The country has enormous resources. And everything else, as in that joke, she does with her hands and kickbacks. That is the problem.

[loki565]

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Quote: loki565

The Chinese have a naval version of the BMP with excellent seaworthiness, it can reach glycer speed, our version of the BMP3 can only dream about it)))

what, straight glides and shoots? ))))))))))

Think about it, it planes and doesn’t sink))) It’s interesting whose BMP the Philippines, Vietnam and Latin American countries will choose

[loki565]

And then he looked around him and not finding a single thing without Madein In China, he cried even harder)))

[vkfriendly]

The media company Sina.com is not state-owned; this company is akin to the Russian RBC, and therefore cannot reflect the point of view of official Beijing.

[aiden]

Here is even a simple example of the quality of the Chinese. Their space station flew for 7 years. Our station is 14.

[tolmachiev51]

“Made in China” - the main thing is that it’s cheap and beautifully packaged, but there are sawmills for budget money in every country. They are not going to fight, a Chinese blunder will do, but what is it - look at the tank "biathlon" !!!

[Nitarius]

everyone occupies their own niche... if China gets a little less, the shitting of others begins!

[Oleg133]

I will not fight for the Russian Federation, let Abramovich and Deripaska fight. For their sake, the Russian Federation is trying, I see.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Oleg133

I will not fight for the Russian Federation

Oblique, crooked or illegal? No?
So where are you going to get from the submarine, pigeon?

Quote: Oleg133

let Abramovich and Deripaska fight

Change the manual urgently, this one is already worn out.
Mother, Administration!! Where are the cons already?? They need to be crushed at the root, before they grow up

[True]

Degradation...

[MMX]

...which is occupied by China, producing high-quality equipment based on domestic components.

Oru

P.S. The main and only advantage of Chinese technology is the price.
I agree with the rest of the article.

[sleeve]

Are we now going to discuss every fence with the inscription “Russia”? Well, they wrote... Well done. Allies? Well, yes...And also competitors...Specific ones. With insufficient technologies and therefore pressing with other marketing moves. What's surprising about this? Nothing. For such “corporate friendship” they came up with a tank biathlon and throw it into open performance characteristics with films. This is normal competition in which it is customary to “solicit” the client. And the fact that Latinos take three instead of two for the same money... So it’s true - we are under sanctions, and this is the backyard of the USA. As for Venezuela, China is almost the steering wheel of the economy there... Naturally, we need to cajole the main investor. At least two dozen infantry fighting vehicles...

[aleks700]

Yes. The main advantage of Chinese technology is price. Well, it’s easier. Although, what prevents you from making simpler equipment for export?

[Artmat]

Quote: Oleg133

I will not fight for the Russian Federation, let Abramovich and Deripaska fight. For their sake, the Russian Federation is trying, I see.

Who needs you, warrior Oleg? Sit and smoke on the stove...

[Artmat]

Quote: mumhe

Quote: Bogatyrev

the problem will be partially solved if we reach agreements with them on the division of markets.

Oops. Don't make my testicles funny. Will China share its 90 percent of the electronics market with Russia? Have you gone crazy, my dear? This is how he takes and gives for a healthy life of 35-40 billion dollars a year? And don’t you want to add Taiwanese-Malaysian and other Singaporean factories, where 90 percent of the world’s countries are riveting their contact science? There is no subjunctive mood in the present tense, well, there is none, If only, if only, but then wrap it up at a discount. You tell me one, ONE, the only Russian production of electronics elements and components that is in demand in the world. Where is the Russian share in the electronics market? The most reasonable technical proposal that I have seen recently is to equip Russian Glonass satellites with underwater equipment already at the production stage. Remember, as long as the state’s paw rests on the best and most advanced technical developments, these developments will not exist for peaceful purposes. Musk is not Rogozin. Mozilla is not Cheburashka. And Electrolux is not Vyatka-automatic. It’s not the Russian people’s fault that they don’t have their own normal electronics, it’s not their fault. The country has enormous resources. And everything else, as in that joke, she does with her hands and kickbacks. That is the problem.

Ooooh! Did the Jewish understanding of gesheft come in?

[cordon332]

Quote: loki565

Uh, how would you compare the standard of living in Brazil and yours, it’s still not known who the macaque will be))) The Chinese have a naval version of the BMP with excellent seaworthiness, it can reach the speed at glider speed, our version of the BMP3 can only dream about it))) It seems were going to build for new landing ships, but the campaign this project is buried along with the Mistrals)))

The Chinese do not yet have planing infantry fighting vehicles, because... to reach the level of an infantry fighting vehicle with dimensions like the Chinese ones, an engine power of at least 2000 hp is required. with an appropriate water cannon capable of realizing such power. And on Chinese amphibious infantry fighting vehicles, the engines are no more than 500 hp. and a PT-76 type water cannon, developed front flap and rear wing serve to improve seaworthiness - these bells and whistles keep the car on the wave, and not under it. All this is made for Taiwan.

[Siberian 63]

lower and lower......And at the top everything is in full swing, pension savings reform.

[Jurkovs]

The stingy one pays twice, once to China and once to Russia.

[123456789]

The stingy pays twice, the gullible three times, and the stupid always

[Normal ok]

The Chinese portal Sina.com has released material stating that the three leading countries of Latin America - Argentina, Brazil and Chile have stopped buying Russian weapons, preferring Chinese.

And yesterday everyone around here said China is a friend. Our Chinese friend.

[Strashila]

The main advantage of Chinese weapons... is not so much the price, but the willingness of the country's government to provide loans to buyers of these weapons... and no one will bother too much about the quality, the main thing is that it is affordable... and war is not foreseen, so much for parades. And where things start to get hot, they prefer to get Russian weapons.

[Normal ok]

The Chinese portal, in its article presented by InoSMI, names two problems of the Russian military-industrial complex: the first problem of Russian weapons is competitiveness, which is supposedly based on Western developments and components developed in the West.

The Chinese do not understand anything about high technology. Let's take the PUOD for example. Completely domestic development. Resistant to all types of electronic warfare and even EMP. The program is laid directly into the brain of the SOB, even in the first year of college

[gukoyan]

Unfortunately, it’s true... We will slowly lose the market.
Although the tank biathlon showed the quality of Chinese tanks)))

[Normal ok]

"

The Chinese portal, in its article presented by InoSMI, names two problems of the Russian military-industrial complex: the first problem of Russian weapons is competitiveness, which is supposedly based on Western developments and components developed in the West.

The Chinese do not understand anything about high technology. Let's take the PUOD for example. Completely domestic development. Resistant to all types of electronic warfare and even EMP. The program is embedded directly into the brain of the SOB, even in the first year of wassat school

[Alexey-74]

They are obviously pushing through Chinese military equipment.....well, well...

[Mentat]

the arms market, which is occupied by China, which produces high-quality equipment based on domestic components.

If they wanted to mock themselves even more, they couldn’t. “Chinese domestic components” is a substance that can be named, but cannot be detected.