Clouds go over Ursula: in Germany, fake rockets and fake soldiers were revealed

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The German press publishes materials on the shortcomings of Ursula von der Lyayen as the Minister of Defense of Germany. The editions of Bild and FAZ there were articles in which it was stated that recently special commissions, including the Counting Commission of the Budget Committee of the Parliament, revealed facts of "fake" reports on military equipment put into service with the Bundeswehr.

From the material:
Many systems weapons, which the ministry designates as “ready for action”, in fact were not. For example, corvettes, officially classified as "combat-ready", or did not have weapons at the time of surrender to the troops, or these weapons did not respond to the declared functionality.




Clouds go over Ursula: in Germany, fake rockets and fake soldiers were revealed


The publication noted that identified not ready to use guided missiles.

From the material:
And what then are these surface ships and submarines combat ready? What can a navy without weapons?

It is noted that in the reports of the Bundeswehr numerous inconsistencies in the number of personnel in individual units were revealed. So, it is noted that the monetary allowance was transferred for a larger number of military personnel than those actually were. Therefore, the Bundestag Chamber of Auditors accuses Ursula von der Lyayen that the facts of violations in the military department were either ignored or ignored.

The German media recalled the appearance of right-wing radicals in the ranks of the armed forces of the FRG, as well as representatives of Islamist groups. So, since 2011, 113 cases were initiated against those. And the number of only officially revealed right-wing radicals and extremists of the Islamist persuasion in the German army goes to the hundreds.
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  1. +2
    26 May 2018 12: 45
    Oh, how ... Once upon a time ... Shuffles ... And what is characteristic of blaming us ...
    1. +24
      26 May 2018 12: 47
      Quote: Vard
      Oh how.

      Frau von der Leyen will have to return to his specialty-gynecology. Probably no longer used to the sight of "objects of specialization"
      1. +8
        26 May 2018 12: 58
        The family is big, there are just as many children, everyone has a rocket and a future.
        1. +23
          26 May 2018 13: 08
          The ancestors of the Germans in a coffin loosely revolve, from what the German nation turned into, or rather where the United States "stuck" it.
          1. +27
            26 May 2018 13: 14
            Quote: Chertt
            gynecology. Probably no longer used to the sight of "objects of specialization"

            Why is it weaned? She drives the army there ... The army then, under her leadership, went to "gynecology"!
          2. +6
            26 May 2018 15: 37
            Quote: cniza
            The ancestors of the Germans in a coffin loosely revolve, from what the German nation turned into

            So why are they spinning around. These same ancestors are to blame for everything.
            And who asked them to move to Russia?
            We would have sat in our “thousand-year Reich” and didn’t even think to look east. And so "even the French" defeated them. Now their descendants are sitting under Uncle Sam’s heel and are afraid to utter a laugh.
            1. +2
              26 May 2018 21: 54
              And you are citizens, they are kicking Serdyukov, in my opinion he completed his work on the reform of the RF Armed Forces and completed it by 5. And now, after his reforms, we have an army that we have. Shoigu is now proud of her achievements, and Serdyukov began. Well, of course, I also did not forget to myself, who in Russia is without sin?
        2. +8
          26 May 2018 13: 13
          The family is big, there are just as many children, everyone has a rocket and a future.

          reminded
      2. +9
        26 May 2018 13: 00
        Probably no longer used to the sight of "objects of specialization"
        Under her, the Bundeswehr covered itself with this "object of specialization." And this is only to our advantage.
      3. +7
        26 May 2018 13: 11
        Quote: Chertt
        Frau von der Leyen will have to return to his specialty-gynecology.

        She never worked in her profession, hereditary politician. And she, like Merkel, is unsinkable.
        What will happen? The Frau Minister will accuse, as usual, his generals of all sins, demand, as NATO requires, more money and ... build another kindergarten laughing
        1. +2
          26 May 2018 13: 21
          Quote: Kurare
          She never worked in her profession

          She has a professor husband and seven children. Oh how! angry
          1. +4
            26 May 2018 13: 32
            She, as a politician, earns more than her husband. And if necessary, he has more free time. wink
          2. 0
            26 May 2018 14: 41
            They say the proctologist. I would have ceded my post to my husband, maybe there was more sense.
            1. +3
              26 May 2018 18: 50
              You lied. Frau is a gynecologist. Do not confuse holes in the body that are completely different in functionality.
              1. 0
                27 May 2018 04: 43
                Here you are not quite right)))) For a woman - I agree, but for me, these holes in the female body have exactly the same functionality))))))
      4. +4
        26 May 2018 13: 55
        Quote: Chertt
        Frau von der Leyen will have to return to his specialty-gynecology. Probably no longer used to the sight of "objects of specialization"

        Better to remain as Minister of Defense! with such a minister we are not afraid of the armada of the next Guderian.
        1. +4
          26 May 2018 14: 00
          Quote: the most important
          such a minister we are not afraid of the armada of the next "Guderian".

          Seems to be. in Germany, for a long time, neither the Guderians, nor the Tirpitzes, nor the Clausewitz have been. One Conchita Wurst
      5. +2
        26 May 2018 18: 50
        Quote: Chertt
        to his specialty - gynecology.

        So, judging by this information, she did everything through the place that she, by profession, is familiar with and most studied.
      6. 0
        26 May 2018 19: 09
        gynecology is where it is oriented.
      7. 0
        27 May 2018 15: 59
        Quote: Chertt
        Frau von der Leyen will have to return to his specialty-gynecology

        no, no ... let him continue to rule the army .... this is in our favor laughing
      8. 0
        27 May 2018 20: 47
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: Vard
        Oh how.

        Frau von der Leyen will have to return to his specialty-gynecology. Probably no longer used to the sight of "objects of specialization"

        Well, Zachev. You are so about ... our agent? Not good. She tried so hard.
    2. +2
      26 May 2018 13: 15
      Well, where are the "hot cakes" fast Germany rivets corvettes? Critics of domestic shipbuilding, where are you?
      1. +4
        26 May 2018 13: 39
        Quote: Muvka
        Well, where are the "hot cakes" fast Germany rivets corvettes? Critics of domestic shipbuilding, where are you?

        The Witnesses Sect has disappeared, claiming that they are sawing only in Russia. Noble Europeans do not fall before this.
      2. +7
        26 May 2018 14: 17
        Quote: Muvka
        Critics of domestic shipbuilding, where are you?

        Here :))) I just don’t understand one thing, from the fact that Germany builds warships poorly, do we build better? :) Or, in your opinion, our main enemy at sea is Germany? Not? Then what is the conversation about?
        Quote: Piramidon
        The Witnesses Sect has disappeared, claiming that they are sawing only in Russia. Noble Europeans do not fall before this.

        Someone is possible. The vast majority who understand the fleet are not.
        1. +2
          26 May 2018 14: 26
          Their affairs, his path, so sales are better, for us at least!
          And with your mess, theft and the like, sort it out and figure it out .... there is something to keep quiet.
          1. +3
            26 May 2018 14: 46
            In-in, this is not a reason to happily rush to Germany with Ursula. Your problems in bulk. recourse
            1. +4
              26 May 2018 15: 45
              This is so. We have a bunch of wise sayings, sayings! - about a mote in a stranger, to which there is nothing to do, except out of compassion! And about the log in ours, then forgetting and distracting is not a trace!
              1. +2
                26 May 2018 15: 47
                But whatever one may say, the news that the adversary doesn’t have all “ice” warms his soul ... feel
                1. +2
                  26 May 2018 17: 50
                  There are still more of them, but they are no longer stronger ... if you hold onto the striped ones over the ocean!
                  1. +2
                    26 May 2018 19: 42
                    Yes, the mattresses themselves have enough problems, I have no doubt. wink
          2. 0
            27 May 2018 04: 57
            Enough whining "And with your mess, theft and the like, sort it out and sort it out" - it’s quite embarrassing .... and if the result was .... like it was stolen, it will be stolen while there’s there will be money or their equivalent. Or - a rocket of seven-five - put you on cash flows - you will not steal a penny?!?! All whining with theft is envy - someone steals, and maybe with a shovel, but I'm out of work.
        2. +1
          26 May 2018 16: 42
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Quote: Muvka
          Critics of domestic shipbuilding, where are you?

          Here :))) I just don’t understand one thing, from the fact that Germany builds warships poorly, do we build better? :) Or, in your opinion, our main enemy at sea is Germany? Not? Then what is the conversation about?
          Quote: Piramidon
          The Witnesses Sect has disappeared, claiming that they are sawing only in Russia. Noble Europeans do not fall before this.

          Someone is possible. The vast majority who understand the fleet are not.

          But I understand this. When Germany or France launches another miracle, such as you, praise their shipbuilding with eulogies, saying how bad things are with us. And when infa appears that the frigates couldn’t use weapons when necessary, or that there is a big roll on German frigates, or as it is now, when it turns out to have passed corvettes without weapons, which means tests, you don’t take your words back, but start with the most stupid way otmazyvatsya.
          from the fact that Germany builds warships poorly, we build better
          1. +2
            26 May 2018 23: 37
            Quote: Muvka
            But I understand this. When Germany or France launches another miracle in the water, such as you, praise their shipbuilding with eulogies, saying how bad things are with us

            Please quote :)))
            Quote: Muvka
            And when infa appears that the frigates couldn’t use weapons when necessary, or that there is a big roll on German frigates, or as it is now, when it turns out to have passed corvettes without weapons, which means tests, you don’t take your words back, but start with the most stupid way otmazyvatsya.

            Well, why - I do not take it. So as soon as you find my words that everything is super in Germany or France, and everything is bad with us, I will take those words back right away. Go for it! :))))
            But I think so, you are not talking to me, but with someone in your head
          2. mvg
            +1
            27 May 2018 01: 41
            Have you read Andrei’s article about the form in which Kuzya went on a BATTLE mission in Syria? And now in Germany there is peace, you can take the ship, and arm later. And Yura Dolgoruky? What got into service with the Maces?
            PS: Before looking for a mote from others, pick a log from yourself (this is figurative)
      3. +1
        26 May 2018 15: 51
        Yes, I would like to hear that everything was lost in our country, because in the prosperous West everything is "gut".
      4. 0
        27 May 2018 20: 49
        Quote: Muvka
        Well, where are the "hot cakes" fast Germany rivets corvettes? Critics of domestic shipbuilding, where are you?

        And you compare the military budgets of Germany and Russia.
  2. +2
    26 May 2018 12: 46
    Is there a real tank behind her ??? Or is it a props or a Deutschfilm layout made on a computer screen? ??? belay
    1. +3
      26 May 2018 12: 53
      Gynecologist and missile-concepts are mutually exclusive ...
      Quote: ANCIENT
      Is there a real tank behind her ??? Or is it a props or a Deutschfilm layout made on a computer screen? ??? belay
      1. +3
        26 May 2018 14: 37
        But whoever the minister of defense was by profession, in peacetime, a good administrator and decent person!
        We have sho and with the steep warriors there was no mess at all?
        So sho in the case of the dead, incompetence and much more else minus!
        1. +2
          26 May 2018 19: 00
          It is true that from the warriors the managers are very specific. Factors such as optimal cost-effectiveness, the need to provide subordinates with the means to complete the task may not be taken completely.
          But doctors are not taught this more than the military. That is why in the West, as a rule, there are no chief doctors, the clinics are headed by managers (they do not have an allergy to this word, unlike us), and not gynecologists, proctologists and other therapists.
          It would be better if they would have found a specialist in trade - then they would have at least been able to impart substandard ships to someone.
          1. 0
            26 May 2018 21: 27
            There are no specialists for everything and everything and for a long time!
            Only a competent commission can evaluate the difficult things!
            The main competence of high-ranking managers is the ability to select people and create these competent commissions, generally any groups necessary at the moment and for a given specific case!
            Who was the leader, up to this point, does not matter.
          2. +4
            26 May 2018 22: 07
            Quote: UAZ 452
            It is true that from the warriors the managers are very specific. Factors such as optimal cost-effectiveness, the need to provide subordinates with the means to complete the task may not be taken completely.
            But doctors are not taught this more than the military. That is why in the West, as a rule, there are no chief doctors, the clinics are headed by managers (they do not have an allergy to this word, unlike us), and not gynecologists, proctologists and other therapists.
            It would be better if they would have found a specialist in trade - then they would have at least been able to impart substandard ships to someone.

            "... the need to provide subordinates with the means to accomplish the task may not be taken completely." Well, you are bent! laughing Well, someone, and the military is obliged to think in this better than anyone.
            1. 0
              26 May 2018 22: 33
              Did you serve Better if not only urgent. That in the late Soviet times (I didn’t find earlier), that in the post-Soviet, the usual style of leadership is “so that it was yesterday,” while anyone who gives a hint about the need to highlight the most necessary becomes an enemy of the people.
              1. +4
                27 May 2018 17: 08
                Quote: UAZ 452
                Did you serve Better if not only urgent. That in the late Soviet times (I didn’t find earlier), that in the post-Soviet, the usual style of leadership is “so that it was yesterday,” while anyone who gives a hint about the need to highlight the most necessary becomes an enemy of the people.

                Yeah, and not just urgent laughing drinks I had in mind the provision of troops with what is necessary for life and the performance of a combat mission. Small things are everyday - they happen in all spheres of life, but they somehow tried to solve them in the army. And so that it was yesterday - this is usually among loser officers who become such by virtue of a narrow mind and usually not commanders. In normal, it was a joke, no more. But everyone has his own experience of service, of course.
        2. 0
          27 May 2018 05: 16
          Rocket jammed in the "mess"?!?! A pessimist from the category - “the glass is half empty”, “ordinary demoral,” or “mishandled Cossack”?!?!

          Squealed - "Yes, no matter who the profession was, the Minister of Defense, in peacetime, a good administrator and decent person!" and then "We have sho and with steep warriors there was no mess at all?" - that is, a female geneticist - the Minister of Defense - never a warrior - and a good administrator and decent person! - so in the German army, but here we have !!!!! Cool warriors and tough professionals - where are they in shape to geneticists, we only have a mess !!!!! - it's just a holiday of some sort, classification of military specialists))))))) We urgently need proctologists or mammologists there which thread to the defense ministers - the main thing is decency and a good person !!!!!
          1. 0
            27 May 2018 08: 58
            Gnaw straws or oats ... for completeness, it will turn out - judging by the ears, this is a hare, and judging by the Faberge, he is two hundred years old! -
  3. 0
    26 May 2018 12: 51
    And chichaz protect the geneocologist. Send FSE to proctologist. We have more precise definitions, but not welcome, the Bundeswehr is not ready to support NATO. FSE allegedly broke, they do not intend to repair at their own expense. Naturally lie, And try to prove the opposite
  4. +2
    26 May 2018 12: 52
    Heh ... Strange even the Germans pedantic to the brain and bones do such nonsense?
    1. +4
      26 May 2018 16: 00
      As they say, an old woman also has a bungle.
      Igor, please do not be offended, but I would like to correct your phrase. This saying sounds like this: to the marrow of bones. There is a brain in the bones, a brain bone - have you heard about this? To penetrate to the bone marrow, it means that it penetrates very strongly, even to the depth of the bones .. Pedantic to the bone marrow - it means pedantic to the last detail. Did you mean that?
      1. 0
        27 May 2018 19: 27
        Well ... That would be something to be offended by))
        Yes, yes, you understood correctly)
        I slightly suffer from a slight stereotypicity regarding some things and people)
  5. +3
    26 May 2018 12: 56
    So postscripts on L / C even in the armies of Rome, Carthage and Byzantium were practiced, nothing lasts forever under the moon !!
    1. +2
      26 May 2018 13: 16
      These armies were not part of NATO at that time, and they did not promise to spend 4 percent of GDP on the defense of the tramp! !! wassat
  6. 0
    26 May 2018 12: 59
    NAT has long turned its defense ministries into lupanariums and amateur teams .. no need to be surprised at these management results ..
  7. +8
    26 May 2018 13: 00
    In short, the Germans are not going to fight for Amer’s interests in Europe. Tanks are slowly moving into the category of “sky-ready”, planes, too, less personnel - than according to the lists, well, etc. Germany is NOT READY to fight with Russia. Britain ... do not tell my slippers ... Who will fight for the hegemon? He himself used to come to the "divide" when it remains to divide ...
    1. 0
      26 May 2018 13: 07
      Germans may not be asked, the Yankees may well strike from the territory of any country in which they have a base and that’s it, this country is automatically drawn into a war with us, and given that the Yankees have nuclear bombs in Germany and access to them may give to the Eastern European allies at the beginning of the conflict, put out the light then
      1. 0
        26 May 2018 13: 17
        Quote: Graz
        the Yankees may well strike from the territory of any country in which they have a base and that's it, this country is automatically drawn into a war with us

        Well, we don’t ... sit and understand who to send the answer to.
        1. +4
          26 May 2018 13: 35
          Quote: Dart2027
          Well, we don’t ... sit and understand who to send the answer to.

          hi
          Yes. And from this, NATO warriors cannot sleep.
          1. +4
            26 May 2018 14: 42
            And therefore, we showed these complexes, on May 9 at the Parade ... And not one wink

            Eh, we would still in Koenig, throw aviation feel
            1. +2
              26 May 2018 14: 45
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              Eh, we would still in Koenig, throw aviation

              If in Koenigsberg, then the Germans and NATO will bring you there ...
              And if Kaliningrad, then enough.
              1. +3
                26 May 2018 16: 53
                Quote: badens1111
                If in Koenigsberg

                Correct Writing, Koenigsberg, with a capital letter wink
                Leningrad, also used to be called Peter ... In the same way as Eburg lol
                Regarding the Germans and NATO: We have already been dragged to the borders so much ... What, your words, are perceived by me, negatively negative
                Quote: badens1111
                And if Kaliningrad

                And let's, without the "if" ... laughing
                You, the All-Union Warden Comrade. Kalinin, so close ??? what
                Quote: badens1111
                , then enough.

                You are probably very competent in matters of basing and applying the videoconferencing in the area (region)? wink
                1. 0
                  26 May 2018 17: 05
                  Quote: LiSiCyn
                  Correct Writing, Koenigsberg, with a capital letter

                  I don’t know such a city on the territory of Russia. I know Kaliningrad. Point. And whoever wants to write from Koenigsberg, it is desirable in Germany.
                  Quote: LiSiCyn
                  You are probably very competent in matters of basing and applying the videoconferencing in the area (region)?

                  Are you so competent that you call the city a stranger?
                  Or are you the Commander-in-Chief of the VKS, S. Surovikin? I then doubt him, as for you, I doubt it.
                  1. +3
                    26 May 2018 17: 25
                    Quote: badens1111
                    Or are you the Commander-in-Chief of the VKS, S. Surovikin? I then doubt him, as for you, I doubt it.

                    Not, well, if you, Surovikin himself said belay
                    Interestingly, Leningrad is impossible, as well as Sverdlovsk, Stalingrad, Kuibyshev, etc. And Comrade Kalinin, it is necessary to perpetuate ??
                    By the way, the medal "For the capture of Koenigsberg" ...
                    Not Kaliningrad tongue
                    1. +2
                      26 May 2018 17: 53
                      Quote: LiSiCyn
                      By the way, the medal "For the capture of Koenigsberg" ...
                      Not Kaliningrad

                      Literacy without culture, drinking without snacks and power without conscience are ruining Russia.
                    2. +5
                      26 May 2018 22: 19
                      Quote: LiSiCyn
                      Quote: badens1111
                      Or are you the Commander-in-Chief of the VKS, S. Surovikin? I then doubt him, as for you, I doubt it.

                      Not, well, if you, Surovikin himself said belay
                      Interestingly, Leningrad is impossible, as well as Sverdlovsk, Stalingrad, Kuibyshev, etc. And Comrade Kalinin, it is necessary to perpetuate ??
                      By the way, the medal "For the capture of Koenigsberg" ...
                      Not Kaliningrad tongue

                      That's great! wink laughing laughing laughing Why should our city take it? Another thing was the Prussian Koenigsberg. Well, have fun! laughing
                      1. +3
                        27 May 2018 00: 17
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        Well, have fun!

                        Glad to try !!! soldier
                        Quote: LiSiCyn
                        Leningrad, also used to be called Peter ... In the same way as Eburg

                        I, from the very beginning, made it clear that this name is in use among local people ... Last time, even Ken, with yo laughing
                        But people, have a bite ... I just, for spelling, try to follow wink
                        Quote: badens1111
                        I know Kaliningrad. Point.

                        Well, such patriots blew up the Royal Castle and smashed half a city ... All Lithuania is built of our brick. And the city, 763 sad
                        To be honest, I don’t even know how people would react to the idea of ​​returning the historical name ?? Youth, I think calmly. Nobody disputes the belonging of the city ??
                        Yes, we have 70% of souvenirs from Koenigsberg, and in German lol
                        what Her, 80% !!! laughing
                        There are no European sentiments in the region .. Like everyone, there are a handful of “liberals”; 200 went for the bulk. Natsikov, there was an effort ... But there are many guest workers, it’s time to clean, if we are preparing to fight ...
                        Best regards hi
            2. +2
              27 May 2018 02: 50
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              Yesterday, 14: 42
              And therefore, we showed these complexes, on May 9 at the Parade ... And not one

              Dear admins hi
              Is the muddy photo of the training of the Parade, after showing it on Russia 24, is over secret information ?? !!!
              The whole comment makes no sense request
          2. mvg
            0
            27 May 2018 01: 48
            Yes. And from this NATO warriors can not sleep

            Do not believe everything they write .. Kaliningrad is small .. 2-3 operational-tactical vigorous strikes will be enough.
  8. +1
    26 May 2018 13: 02
    The German media recalled the appearance of right-wing radicals in the ranks of the armed forces of the FRG, as well as representatives of Islamist groups. So, since 2011, 113 cases were initiated against those. And the number of only officially revealed right-wing radicals and extremists of the Islamist persuasion in the German army goes to the hundreds.
    In general, a sharp run over the aunt of the minister and it seems that the competing parties want to get this satisfying portfolio in the light of the curb of defense spending.
    I would like to draw attention to 113 only officially initiated cases on the Nazis and Islamists. Not so Germany means blue and pacifist, it means there are also such organizations where there are people of a completely different sense. In the military vanguard of such structures, the Bundeswehr, of course. It’s only a pity that these statistics are not divided --- how many Natsiks, but how many bearded men. I have to think it out myself and I think that there are much more skinheads than facial beards.
    1. +6
      26 May 2018 13: 17
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      I would also like to draw attention to 113 only officially initiated cases on the Nazis and Islamists. Not so Germany means blue and pacifist, it means there are also such organizations where people of a completely different kind are present.

      The army has always been and will be an organization for which traditions are very important. In the Bundeswehr, all past traditions, even those that had nothing to do with the Third Reich, were uprooted and they tried to instill inexplicably something that opposes both ordinary soldiers and officers.
      Many Nazi-motivated cases were sucked out to show that the Bundeswehr was fighting this evil. In fact, the soldiers simply honored the traditions of the Wehrmacht, having nothing to do with Nazism.
      1. +1
        26 May 2018 13: 38
        Thanks for the clear explanation, as they say ....
        Living evidence from within events is better than a dry article. For which I I go to VO.
        1. +4
          26 May 2018 13: 55
          hi Bitte schön i.e. you are welcome! Just even the famous "Prussian step" was banned. The Russian Army is still striving this way, and nothing, because it has nothing to do with Nazism.
          1. +2
            26 May 2018 14: 00
            Quote: Kurare
            Just even the famous "Prussian step" was banned. The Russian Army is still striving this way, and nothing, because it has nothing to do with Nazism.

            I do not understand a bit. Is the Prussian step in Russia?
            1. +4
              26 May 2018 14: 08
              At the time, the Prussian step was taken as the basis for the march of soldiers: an elongated sock, a leg at 45 °. In parades, they march for example. There are still jokes in Britain about this; see Monty Python laughing
              1. +3
                26 May 2018 14: 14
                Quote: Kurare
                There are still jokes in Britain about this; see Monty Python

                So after all ... I’m walking in Prussian, right?
                1. +6
                  26 May 2018 14: 26
                  Frederick II (Frederick the Great or Old Fritz), King of Prussia was the founder of many traditions in the army, including strict discipline and drill. The great king of Frederick was the Russian Tsar Peter III, who introduced the so-called. "Prussian combat step" (preußischer Stechschritt).
                  The original "Prussian combat step" is still used in the Russian Army when changing the guard of honor of the Eternal Flame at the Kremlin Wall.
                  It turns out that you are "in Prussian" step! hi
                2. +3
                  26 May 2018 15: 04
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  So after all ... I’m walking in Prussian, right?

                  You, step in Russian ...
                  Koenig (Kaliningrad), former V. Prussia ... At the moment, Russia, it follows ... wink
                  1. +3
                    26 May 2018 20: 29
                    Quote: LiSiCyn
                    You, step in Russian ...

                    laughing good This - of course, I walk in Russian!
                    But Frederick II was the king of not only East Prussia ...
              2. +2
                26 May 2018 15: 25
                Good afternoon!!!!! who would laugh so just not naglitsanam ... these whose will be ??? learners ...
                1. +4
                  26 May 2018 22: 25
                  Quote: d ^ Amir
                  Good afternoon!!!!! who would laugh so just not naglitsanam ... these whose will be ??? learners ...

                  Weak drill, however. We would be weaned to slouch after the first lesson laughing You look, and the human step would cut through laughing
      2. Alf
        +1
        26 May 2018 15: 25
        Quote: Kurare
        Wehrmacht, having nothing to do with Nazism.

        Then who fought with the Red Army? Only SS?
        1. +4
          26 May 2018 20: 33
          Quote: Alf
          Then who fought with the Red Army? Only SS?

          The Wehrmacht, a literal translation - a defensive force, appeared earlier than Nazi Germany and its traditions and charters come from the time of Frederick II.
          1. +4
            26 May 2018 22: 32
            The Wehrmacht, which we all know as a state institute, was created precisely in Nazi Germany if sclerosis does not lie.
          2. Alf
            0
            27 May 2018 19: 58
            Quote: Kurare
            Quote: Alf
            Then who fought with the Red Army? Only SS?

            The Wehrmacht, a literal translation - a defensive force, appeared earlier than Nazi Germany and its traditions and charters come from the time of Frederick II.

            Until March 16, 1935, the Reichswehr was in Germany.
            1. +2
              28 May 2018 20: 35
              Quote: Alf
              Until March 16, 1935, the Reichswehr was in Germany.

              Yes, you are absolutely right! Mistaken, instead of the Wehrmacht, it was necessary to write the Reichswehr.
    2. 0
      26 May 2018 21: 21
      In modern Europe, even many right-wingers and even Nazis can be blue at the same time.)
  9. +1
    26 May 2018 13: 10
    Why so surprising? They adopt the richest yellow-black experience of the "strongest army in Europe."
    As they say, with whom you will lead, from that you will gain.
  10. 0
    26 May 2018 13: 18
    Ursula, don’t take everything to heart. There, Vasilyeva on weekends on the best brands was shopping, although she was sitting like. The main thing is that hubby should be crystal clear ...
  11. 0
    26 May 2018 13: 22
    So, since 2011, 113 cases have been initiated in relation to such.

    Minister of Defense (since 2013).

    Learn how to ruin affairs. And the noise and rating then uphill - detractors!
    accuses Ursula von der Leyen of the fact that violations in the military department were either not taken into account or were hushed up.

    Classic. Either DUMKOMPF or an accomplice ... What will she choose?
  12. 0
    26 May 2018 13: 50
    Mother corruption! Everyone wants to eat at least the Germans, even the Papuans. good
  13. +3
    26 May 2018 13: 53
    Where to this frau before our hole Serdyukovskaya (Mrs. Vasilyeva) ?? !!
    Ursula, come to her seminars "How to rob an army. And you won’t get anything for it!"
    Learn, student .... laughing laughing
  14. +2
    26 May 2018 14: 05
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Germany is NOT READY to fight with Russia. Britain ... do not tell my slippers ... Who will fight for the hegemon? He himself used to come to the "divide" when it remains to divide ...
    Why then they are preparing every day and night, shoot, blow up, do not give sleep, sometimes up to 24 hours. At first, they trained only at the training ground, and now, in part, explosions, shooting.
    And before the age of 14, once a week, and that is not always and strictly at the training ground. At first I was scared, I thought that the terrorists attacked the unit, now I’m used to it, but it’s not very pleasant.
    And people living nearby in the military unit are all silent, although they violate the law on silence after 22 hours.
    1. 0
      26 May 2018 16: 03
      And you file a lawsuit against them. And we will not mind. smile
  15. +1
    26 May 2018 14: 32
    and where else? wassat
  16. 0
    26 May 2018 15: 19
    they put things in order ... bad .... they are preparing Europe for a quiet glanders ....
  17. 0
    26 May 2018 15: 25
    "Clouds go to Ursula: linden rockets and linden soldiers revealed in Germany"
    - She would return to the internal organs, in the sense - not the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but gynecology ...
  18. 0
    26 May 2018 15: 34
    Saw the Shura; Saw the gold! classic budget cut chart!
  19. +1
    26 May 2018 16: 10
    It is not yet known for whom the performance of Ursula is more profitable. It will take to restore German order in the Bundeswehr, but do we need it?
  20. 0
    26 May 2018 16: 39
    In the Ministry of Defense of Germany revealed a false pregnancy syndrome? So Ursula is special in such matters. laughing
  21. 0
    26 May 2018 16: 52
    Horror !!!! The bacterium of Ukraine has already leaked to Germany, probably brought Bandera with it !!!
  22. +5
    26 May 2018 18: 16
    These are the ministers of defense of Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands and Germany.

    And these are our guys.
  23. 0
    26 May 2018 19: 23
    The Germans look, too, learned how to build fake armies and develop the budget!
    Who did you learn from ......?
    1. Alf
      +2
      26 May 2018 20: 04
      Quote: APASUS
      Who have learned

      And they did not forget how.
      Example with 2MB. Putting a set of skis and a rocket launcher at the Junkers firm in the Yu-88, they received a new modification of the 88th North. The alteration is on the Pfennig, and the ministry was served as a new modification, but already more expensive.
      1. +4
        26 May 2018 20: 41
        Quote: Alf
        The alteration is on the Pfennig, and the ministry was served as a new modification, but already more expensive.

        This is called "capitalism." laughing When Guderian demanded not to reduce the production of T-4 due to the T-5 Panthers and T-6 Tigers, he was popularly explained that T-5/6 bring more benefits to manufacturers, and a simpler and cheaper T-4 is bad for business.
        1. Alf
          0
          27 May 2018 19: 55
          Quote: Kurare
          This is called "capitalism."

          So who is arguing?
  24. +1
    26 May 2018 19: 58
    So a gynecologist. What she understands, so does everything.
  25. +1
    26 May 2018 20: 21
    I just want to say to this doctoral Ursula:
    - To manage the Army, it’s not for you to poke around in a star.
    Here one must at least have an understanding of the processes within the subject of management.
    Well, even the warehouses do not burn like in Nenko ....
  26. 0
    26 May 2018 20: 51
    And what did they want from the gynecologist?
    No comment ...
  27. +4
    26 May 2018 22: 37
    They don’t think that if the Yankees provoke a war, will they have to fight on their rubber tanks? laughing
  28. 0
    27 May 2018 02: 04
    Come on you! Flew on aunt. Will sort it out. There will still be no war in Europe, for there is no point. Europeans are aging nations diluted with swarthy migrant guys. Let's estimate what these guys will do in case of conflict? Defend your homeland? Yeah .. And the same Germans are well aware that they have sheltered an army of potential looters.
  29. 0
    27 May 2018 04: 29
    They steal, frau, steal !!!
  30. 0
    27 May 2018 20: 50
    Genecologist, Minister of Defense, all the money went to tampons and diapers,
  31. 0
    28 May 2018 00: 05
    But in vain we are here over the Germans with their frau military-gynecological minister making fun of. This is actually a wise approach. Here they will begin to collect allies for the third world war, and the Germans to them: with joy, but not now - the Frau Minister is busy, he is receiving patients.
  32. -1
    28 May 2018 03: 02
    In order to become a superpower again in Germany (as in the beginning of the 20th century), it is necessary to manufacture its own nuclear weapons (if they learned to produce their own nuclear fuel for nuclear power plants, then they can do this if they wish)
  33. 0
    28 May 2018 08: 07
    The Chinese have such apt expression - a paper tiger.
  34. 0
    5 July 2018 20: 57
    A large number of shortcomings in the Bundeswehr were identified another 3-4 years ago and it seems that nothing has changed much since then.
    1. 0
      5 July 2018 21: 02
      Quote: NF68
      A large number of shortcomings in the Bundeswehr were identified another 3-4 years ago and it seems that nothing has changed much since then.

      And do they even have their own army? They are not going to fight with Russia anymore ...
      1. 0
        5 July 2018 21: 17
        Quote: Karenius
        Quote: NF68
        A large number of shortcomings in the Bundeswehr were identified another 3-4 years ago and it seems that nothing has changed much since then.

        And do they even have their own army? They are not going to fight with Russia anymore ...


        So the Germans and so reduced their army nowhere else.