Russian C-300 SAMs do not see US F-35 fighters, expert said

After the Israeli Air Force commanded that 10 on May 2018, an Israeli F-35I Adir took part in a raid on Iranian facilities in Syria, articles appeared in the United States extolling the American fighter.

Joe Pappalardo, one of the authors of Popular Mechanics, said that the Israeli F-35I Adir fighter could easily complete the mission, since the Russian C-300 anti-aircraft missile system located in Syria simply “did not notice”. In the case of the detection of the stealth aircraft, the Russian anti-aircraft gunners would immediately transfer the relevant information to the defense of Syria and Iran, covering the attacked objects, but this did not happen.

He also assumes that the F-35I Adir could invade Iranian airspace, where the Iranian C-300 systems also did not detect them. Thus, the expert concludes, reveals the true state of affairs between the best Russian export weapons C-300 and F-35, i.e. F-35 aircraft are invisible to Russian systems, and all the vaunted Russian air defense cannot fight the latest American fighter.

He also stated that the F-35I Adir, equipped with a radar with an active phased antenna array, could simply “silence” Syrian and Iranian radio-electronic equipment created on the basis of Russian samples.

Comments

[Spike Javelin Touvich]

ground curve or technology difference

[Alexey RA]

Rather sees an eye - yes a tooth is numb. Our air defense only protects our facilities, and all the rest is provided only by the command center. And here is the question - were the Iranians, with an external command and control system, able to detect and take targets to escort their air defense assets?

[Black_Vatnik]

It is only incomprehensible, if everything is so cool and rosy, why did Benya (Netanyahu) already jump to Moscow to convince Pu not to arm the SAR “Favorites”?

One thing is for sure to say that this expert Pappalardo works against the interests of the Pentagon, prevents them from begging for more and more dough, explaining this with terrible Russian weapons)

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Black_Jacket

But it’s not clear if everything is so cool and rosy, why Benya (Netanyahu) had already jumped to Moscow,

But are you sure that you didn’t deliver the c300? .... are you so naive or just write for the pluses?

[Black_Vatnik]

Do you have any classified information from a reliable source? so share it.
The pluses pay attention to those whom they care most.

[Grandfather Makar]

he was not noticed by the Russian anti-aircraft missile system S-300, which is located in Syria

Most likely Fu-35, they just don’t want to notice yet ... Let them fly! I remember the Israeli F-16s were shot down by old Soviet air defense .. And the Turkish "Shell" was shot down in the coastal waters of Syria!
Not all at once gentlemen, the main thing is to wait and see when they go en masse .. Here then we will have fun!

[taiga2018]

Quote: Ded-Makar

Most likely Fu-35, they just do not want to notice it yet.

I agree, why reveal all the cards ahead of time, you must save the trump cards for a possible more serious mess ...

[Imobile]

Galoshes are better ... Remember how it all ended

[Arh]

Maybe it could be, Israeli F-35s did not fly over Syria and that’s all)!

[123456789]

He also admits that the F-35I Adir could have invaded Iranian airspace, where the Iranian S-300 systems have not found them either.

It is difficult to look for a black cat in a dark room, especially if she is not there

[zenion]

They didn’t see him with 300, and sparrows on the territory of Israel pecked this plane. So in any case, declared in Israel. He collided with birds and received injuries that mimic a rocket wound. Reached the cemetery and fell.

[Vladimir Shpakov]

Of course you give me a dreamer! Arthur Clark is resting!

[Blackbeard]

can study simply, observe, admire simply

[Grenader]

Quote: Ded-Makar

He also admits that the F-35I Adir could have invaded Iranian airspace, where the Iranian S-300 systems have not found them either.

Old fake. How did the F-35 reach Iran? At one gas station? Refuel over Syria, the tanker is also invisible? In general, complete nonsense.

[zenion]

Not complete nonsense, but real skinny nonsense. If I came up with you, one singer sang, get up the way I want. Reminds an old joke, as students on the Cossack rode four days for a Mercedes. Finally, in Mercedes they could not stand it, the Cossacks stopped and asked what it was that you had been following us for the fourth day, you didn’t even stop at gas stations. And what needs to be refueled? So did this plane, he forgot that he needed to refuel and made a trip around the world at one gas station. Then the pilot woke up, and they tell him, this is the second time you fly over Iran.

[Leonardo da Vinci]

> when they go en masse ... Then we'll have some fun!

Or we beg!

Like in that song: “Or maybe we! Or maybe us!”

[alexbg2]

Most likely he is like the elusive Joe, no one catches, and how he will become and notice and bring down.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Alexey RA

Rather sees an eye - yes a tooth is numb. Our air defense only protects our facilities, and all the rest is provided only by the command center. And here is the question - were the Iranians, with an external command and control system, able to detect and take targets to escort their air defense assets?

Rather, the elusive Joe and therefore not perceptible that in FIG is not needed.

[NG inform]

If they shot down a super-fancy and super-expensive F-35 immediately after the start of its combat operation, it would be a huge blow to the United States. So this is not at all elusive Joe, it makes sense to bring him down for any reason, even far-fetched.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: NG inform

it makes sense to bring him down for any reason, even far-fetched.

Let me disagree with you. And that's why:
1. The last thing we need in Syria is a direct confrontation with Israel. And, frankly, I consider all of Israel’s airstrikes on Syrian territory to some extent our defect. After all, it would be entirely possible, using our influence on Iran, to ask him to transfer units of the IRGC and other controlled units to other sectors of the front, away from the Syrian-Israeli border. In exchange, get the "loyalty" of the Israeli Air Force to the SAA and other pro-government forces. There would be no reason for Israel to strike back. And to postpone territorial disputes until the post-war period. A thin world is better than a good quarrel.
2. If you shoot down the F-35, then it will become a fait accompli that our air defense officers claim that he is seen and struck by the "old man" S-300. And this aircraft will either be replaced with something else, or they will start using it differently. Which will complicate the task of our air defense in the case, God forbid, of military operations. Better considered invisible and invulnerable.
3. While the F-35 is considered the peak of the creation of an aviation genius, it will be bought by the allies of the n-owls. For very substantial money. Let them spend it. Disappointed - they will start to buy something else.

[Slon379]

Here's another, still, still a little bit we need to work hard, to refine, then they will not have a reason and get loyalty and LIVING !!!! These dreamers will always find a reason and are loyal only to the departed.

[kuz363]

Do not be like an ostrich with its head in the sand!

[alaarsen]

But what about the very bird that hit one of the invisibles?)

[shahor]

Quote: alaarsen

But what about the very bird that hit one of the invisibles?)

But what about the very bird that struck one of the visible in Syria?

[Shahno]

She is in the museum at Tamir Hyman ... Aron Z. may be aware .. Something his name reminds me for a long time, but memory is no longer in hell.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Alexey RA

And here the question is - were the Iranians able to,

why is it so? ..and the Syrians could ?????

[SERGUS]

Quote: Spike Javelin Touvich

or technology difference

Well, yes, the difference in technology, yes, it directly cancels the laws of physics, and suppresses other radars with its radar, and at the same time we don’t see at all, science fiction

[Норд]

Yes Yes. Penguins do not even see the pilots themselves where the S-300 is to find it. It’s a pity the iksperd wasn’t prompted that there were S-400s there and that RTV would have stained more than one pair of pants in ecstasy. And it is not entirely clear how long the information about what, where and when it was discovered by the Russian air defense in Syria became the property of the general public of interest. And pulls yelling: "Saw Shurochka, saw ... you pay ..."

[SERGUS]

Quote: Nord

And pulls yelling: "Saw Shurochka, saw ... you pay ..."

I have the feeling that the media has recently turned into a mass disinformation media, and it saddens me that this is often the case with the Russian media.

[saigon]

Dear in this, there is nothing surprising - the journalist is the same Humanitarian and he does not need to clog his head with physics and technical characteristics.

[SERGUS]

Quote: saigon

Dear in this, there is nothing surprising - the journalist is the same Humanitarian

Well, I say, journalists have been working like this recently: I don’t understand anything at all, but I’ll write something

[shahor]

Quote: Nord

And it is not entirely clear how long the information about what, where and when it was discovered by the Russian air defense in Syria became the property of the general public of interest. And pulls yelling: "Saw Shurochka, saw ... you pay ..."

That’s true, but I recall the statement of the Russian Ministry of Defense on April 18 after a raid of unknown people at the Syrian air base. Clearly reported how much
It was released on the basis of missiles, how many of them were shot down, what is the consumption of anti-aircraft missiles. Everything would be fine, but a couple of hours later the Syrians embarrassedly announced a malfunction of the air defense systems and that there was no raid with shelling. Those. air defense systems worked out clearly in white light. The Russian side later reported that experts are working on this fact.
Let me assume that this incident
one of the elements of the electronic attack F-35. There will be more surprises. It is necessary to prepare for them, and not to throw caps with earflaps!

[Warrior-80]

This situation has already been sucked up many times, even if ours gave target designation, neither the Syrians nor the Iranians had anything to shoot down the planes, they shot at the missiles well and in the long run, which with their crooked hands says that the Russian systems are very good

[kapitan92]

Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich

ground curve or technology difference

Let me remind you that in March 1999 the S-125 Neva air defense missile system, with a 5V27D missile, was shot down by the US Air Force F-117A fighter,
According to the US Armed Forces Command, these aircraft could not be detected by any radar,
Discovered and shot down!

[nikoliski]

they didn’t find him, they just fired on the flight path of the American bombers and accidentally hit, not even seeing him, then they learned that they were shot down when the Americans boasted that the pilot was saved by a commando squad

[kapitan92]

Quote: nikoliski

they didn’t find him, they just fired on the flight path of the American bombers and accidentally hit, not even seeing him, then they learned that they were shot down when the Americans boasted that the pilot was saved by a commando squad

You can accidentally step on the poop! Learn the materiel! Do not be lazy, the Internet is at hand, who knows how to use it.

[rruvim]

Absolutely agree. Just by chance. If purposeful, then the "specialists" would have arrived earlier than the locals. And still no one knows the type of complex that brought down the "invisibility" ...

[Bad_santa]

Quote: nikoliski

they didn’t find him, they just fired on the flight path of the American bombers and accidentally hit, not even seeing him, then they learned that they were shot down when the Americans boasted that the pilot was saved by a commando squad

SAM missiles to conduct obstructive fire ??? Yes, you my friend, probably when you go to the store for bread, throw out 100 dollar bills for every step of the foot Nobody has thought of such a thing. Urgently write down your version in gold letters on a plate and hang it above your head

[nikoliski]

I didn’t come up with it, but the official statement of Serbia was this firstly, secondly if the stealth "see" the stealth, for example these S-125s, let's release 400 again (I don’t understand the grief of the patriots fighting for this case, we all Equally these complexes are no longer left, but China has them, then will our Su-125 follow your logic and have to be afraid of them? Or will you turn it all over again? -Su-57 type "S-57" does not see ", but the remaining stealth is especially" bad " F125 and F22 sees for 35km, as some write nonsense here)

[Bad_santa]

Any radar, even of a previous generation, sees stealth aircraft (including the Su-57) if there is no interference against the radar. The only question is at what distance does he detect him. The more modern the radars, the more powerful and clearer the signal, and therefore they see further.

[nikoliski]

Near Solasen they see as a large bird, for example, only they don’t shoot missiles at each bird (EPR B-2 is like an eagle), it’s first, secondly, it’s seen, it’s impossible to aim the rocket at a target with such a small ESR (if the target interferes with the radar guidance systems for missiles, this is one thing, but missiles have their own radar seeker, and what is the minimum ESR of the target? Nobody will really answer about this, we need tests, test firing, by the way, I think the Slovaks provided their time, the S-300 SAM system for Americans, probably the escape methods (breaking the capture of the radar from themselves) were worked out by them on f35 during the first flights (otherwise there was no point in investing so much money into this program, and where they went then, there are already hundreds of billions of dollars )

[Khazarin]

...... secondly, if the stealth "sees" the S-125, see the S-400, .... If you were just interested in radio technology, you would know how the S-125 sees FY117 with comrades. And why did the Pindonatov rockets begin to hit the transmitting antennas on TV and FM, and how the Serbs were catching live bait using microwaves. The one who invented the technology of stealth, then he himself spread it!

[nov_tech.vrn]

my friend nikoliski, your erudition is going through the roof, apparently, you are not even a humanist, but you went for a walk. If someone starts a discussion, he should at least have an idea of ​​what the speech is about, the term "invisibility" was coined by illiterate (or tricky) PR specialists, correct stealth, and here the nuances begin, from which locators, of which range they primarily hid it, on which you can confidently identify the distance and how much time is left to hit it, everything mounted, missiles mounted tanks or containers with equipment, sharply increase visibility, and even give target designation to the low-channel S-125 one, for a single purpose, replace them with multi-channel S-300, yes you are a genius"

[Khazarin]

.... just fencing ... Tapes who equipped for obstructive fire? And you can shoot bursts of MANPADS

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: kapitan92

Let me remind you that in March 1999 the S-125 Neva air defense missile system, with a 5V27D missile, was shot down by the US Air Force F-117A fighter,

First, the flight mission of this f-117 was handed over .... but as for invisibility, I agree here .... only the blind do not see them

[Slon379]

I hear about them all the time !!! THEY ARE HEARING !!! We need an acoustic radar, as in WWII and do not bother)))) !!!

[Bar1]

Putin with netanyahu put black glasses on c300

[SETTGF]

Spike Javelin Touwic! Do not assume that you do not know ... The article says the stupidities of the Italian "expert" and no more! With the active AFAR mode, the F-35 will be detected and destroyed by an anti-radar missile! Not so small in the F-35 is a small image intensifier tube (EPR) that the S-300 or another Syrian air defense system does not detect it ... Learn radar and do not write the stupidities of couch strategists ... Just read this - do not respect yourself!

[romance 1]

Yes, not so long ago, all US cruise missiles were shot down, "backward" Russian military technologies. And all of Ukraine is hiding from the military registration and enlistment office, so as not to encounter "backward" Russian equipment in the Donbass. Here, as I understand it, ordinary journalists write, but not the military. I’d better go watch the channel "Orthodox Russia", where the former military analyzes.

[Leonid Har]

And why did the Adirs stop flying over Syria now? Did the earth straighten its curvature, or did the Israeli fighter-bombers lose their dashing morale, got scared? Unsure of the technology difference? What happened? Syria is not being bombed.

[weksha50]

Experts divorced ...
What, in order to prove visibility, it was necessary to shoot down one of the F-35?
Wait ... Ask ...

[bouncyhunter]

Georgy With the Fu-117 the same story was, remember how it all ended?

[weksha50]

Quote: bouncyhunter

With the Fu-117 the same story was, remember how it all ended?

So I say - until the table is served on a tray, fried, they will yell and praise ...

[bouncyhunter]

Given the current behavior of the mattresses: even the zapatski from the downed letak will say the famous phrase on "F": fyfsofrete.

[tol100v]

Quote: weksha50

will yell and praise ..

Let them yell and praise their rotten “Patriot”, but at a sky-high price!

[pvv113]

Pasha, these are smart people who learn from mistakes. But arrogance does not allow mattresses

[bouncyhunter]

Your truth . The smart ones learn from strangers, the less intelligent ones learn from their own, the foolish ones don't study at all. And some constantly trample a rake and drag in their jambs like a child prodigy.

[sabakina]

Pasha . It seems to me that the article is custom-made, in order to discredit Russian air defense systems, so that those who decide or are considering buying them refuse. And then from whom to buy? As they say business ...

[bouncyhunter]

Slavik , well, I (and not only me) have repeatedly spoken about the "decency" of mattresses and their "honest" competition.

[Solomon Kane]

The most interesting, Pash.

that the israeli fighter f-35i adir

,
like this? Are they being collected in Haifa?
As they say, "here in Alma-Antee":

Do not shoot does not mean not to see

[PalBor]

Quote: sabakina

Pasha . It seems to me that the article is custom-made, in order to discredit Russian air defense systems, so that those who decide or are considering buying them refuse. And then from whom to buy? As they say business ...

Well no. I think there is more politics here. Well, neither our nor the Syrians want to strengthen Iran in the region. The blows were inflicted on Iranian proxies, mainly. Pretend to dominate? Forward. You can not? There is nothing to blame for Russia. Then really be friends, and do not scramble.
Two ancient exceptional ones, Mlyn, have gathered. And for you, Russians should carry chestnuts from the fire?

[sabakina]

If there is more politics, then where does the Russian S-300? Speaking in terms of politics, this is a subtle hint-warning to Iran that the Russian air defense systems will not save them. In general Katz offers to give up immediately ....

[PalBor]

We’ll remove Katz, he’s in Haifa.
A subtle hint to Iran not to yell at rallies: “Death to Jews, death to Russians!”, To tackle their affairs in Aleppo, crushing quarters and routes for themselves, to expel Russian planes from airfields to please radicals from parliament and the IRG ...
Cool Confirm. We already supply Hezbollah almost steeper than Iran itself. Remember the T-90.
The fact is that the Persians themselves distance themselves: "Yes, we are allies, but temporary, we do not want to combine military capabilities in any serious way, depend on you." They opened in front of, for example, European oil companies, and ours meet with a bunch of obstacles.
We will defend our bases, the main Syrian bases and Damascus (together with the Syrians). Next yourself.
Conclusion: if there was an F-35 raid, then he did not touch either the Russians or the Syrians. Therefore, the conclusion about the powerlessness of the S-300 against him is simply stupid.

[PalBor]

Well! Again ... The Israeli Air Force’s strike at Al-Da'ba’s base. There, it seems, Hezbollah’s fighters were concentrating. S-200 response.
According to various sources, either all the missiles were shot down, or one passed.
But again, their Syrians protect, not the Iranians.
Base near the borders of Lebanon.

[Strashila]

Yes ... yes ... then this American duper achievement was shot down a couple of times by the good old S-125 ... at the time, still U-2, the same were not elusive type.

[bouncyhunter]

I deliberately did not mention U-2: I wanted to give a closer example by date.

[Strashila]

This does not mean that they are not seen, they, like the rest of Israel’s planes, work from Lebanese airspace dirty at a distance.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Strashila

they, like the rest of Israel’s planes, work from Lebanese airspace dirty at a distance.

And there is . I won’t be surprised if authoritative specialists “from there” begin to smash us and you to pieces.

[KVIRTU]

I’ll correct it, with your permission: "At 8.53, the first air defense missile system launched C-75 approached U-2 from behind, but the radio fuse worked prematurely. The explosion tore off the tail of the aircraft, and the car, pecking its nose, began to fall. Pilot Powers did not use the ejection seat.
He later claimed that there was an explosive device in it that was supposed to work during ejection so that the aircraft did not fall into the hands of the enemy. Powers, waiting for heights when it was possible to breathe without an oxygen device, got out of a plane falling apart and jumped with a parachute. "
And he was accompanied by another 50 km to the border, then there was such a special case of the air defense database - enemy flights in a 20 km strip from the main battlefield, i.e. reduction of dezh. forces in G1.

[G A_2]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Georgy With the Fu-117 the same story was, remember how it all ended?

A crooked example. How everyone knocked him down. Zoltan told.

[ltc35]

We are waiting again ... Another couple of such expectations and the queue for the mattresses will line up for their fu-35. And this is loot for America. After that, it will no longer be important to see, not see, because a significant blow will be inflicted on the image of our system. Who needs blind air defense, even if this is not true?

[Jack O'Neill]

Always yelling with such "experts"on the one hand, on the other.
In any case, the radar will see a material object, but at what distance, this is another question!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Always yelling with such "experts"on the one hand, on the other.
In any case, the radar will see a material object, but at what distance, this is another question!

That's right. Especially enraging phrases like "invisible aircraft." Storytellers pancake. Reduced EPR is not invisibility, but the ability of a fighter to reach the effective range of an air defense system.

[Jack O'Neill]

Especially enraging phrases like "invisible aircraft"

Journalists came up with this, and people picked it up.)

[akunin]

I propose a new "airplane anonymous" neither who has not seen, nor who does not know.

[Jack O'Neill]

I propose a new "airplane anonymous" neither who has not seen, nor who does not know. smile

[Polite Moose]

Quote: akunin

I propose a new "airplane anonymous" neither who has not seen, nor who does not know.

And I propose a "plane - hiring" everyone likes him so much that .....

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Always yelling with such "experts"on the one hand, on the other.
In any case, the radar will see a material object, but at what distance, this is another question!

That's right. Especially enraging phrases like "invisible aircraft." Storytellers pancake. Reduced EPR is not invisibility, but the ability of a fighter to reach the effective range of an air defense system.

Effective ...)) Yes, right so that they knocked down))) without dodges. He’s a fighter generally more special flying on all kinds of baland, more suitable ground attack aircraft.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

That's right. Especially enraging phrases such as "invisible aircraft."

Not just invisible, but invisible, leading active electronic warfare and jamming electronic equipment:

F-35I Adir, equipped with a radar with an active phased array, could simply "drown" the Syrian and Iranian electronic equipment, created on the basis of Russian samples

[Maz]

Israel is very substantively considering the purchase of 25 new F-15s in return for the acquisition of a number of previously announced F-35s.
The choice in favor of the F-15 was made primarily because of the wider capabilities for the combat load that the F-15 carries in comparison with the F-35 http://detaly.co.il/vvs-izrailya-predpochitayut-f
-15i-a-ne-f-35 /
Unnecessary planes: Israel "closed its eyes" to the shortcomings of the F-35 ...
https://nep.co.il/nenuzhnye-samolety-izrail-zakry
l-glaza-na-nedostatki-f-35 /

Who was talking about super-superfluity f -35? Tell it to your government
Project critics say other bombing platforms — drones, helicopters, and missiles with guidance systems — may be more efficient and cheaper. They also note that the “invisibility” of the aircraft is relative, as is its ability to carry ammunition as invisibility — only 2 tons, compared to 10 tons in the F15.

[SETTGF]

Aron Zawi! Still, the image intensifier tube will be correct, and not the EPR - not all radar radiation energy is scattered in the direction of the receiving antenna (combined) of the same radar antenna ... this is according to the physics of propagation of em waves and the Russian language! Although in the scientific literature it is one and the same ...

[cost]

Hard to believe
The "experts" are proud to note that the nose of the F-35I Adir is equipped with a radar with an active phased array, which allows not only to "display the landscape and track hundreds" of targets, but also to drown out the enemy’s electronic equipment.
The Russian Su-57 has a similar system plus also on the sides of the hull, but the S-300 sees it perfectly

[sabakina]

Dmitry, and what, the radar has already been crossed with EW?

[cost]

Glory
Personally, I'm not up to date. Judging by the statements of our and American experts, apparently yes.
Best of all, experts will answer this question, for example, Nexus, Aron, Sergey Figvam or Jack O'Neill (Yuri)

[Genry]

Quote: sabakina

But what, have the radar already been crossed with EW?

The AFAR system is much trickier than the specialized electronic warfare. Will create any signal according to your desire ... Well, the power is only within the available on the plane.

[G A_2]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Always yelling with such "experts"on the one hand, on the other.
In any case, the radar will see a material object, but at what distance, this is another question!

Well, stealth and fly given the distance of detection. And she is less than not the stealth. Everything is simple

[figwam]

Silly Thoughts by Popular Mechanics Authors

[prapor75m]

Well, it’s about to begin ... Jewish "experts" with foam from the mouth will begin to prove that it was

[sabakina]

No, Warrior Wow, calm as a boa constrictor, even scolding an expert.

[You Vlad]

He also admits that the F-35I Adir could invade Iranian airspace

About this and the article is permissible He admits, but anything can be admitted

[Azim77]

He also admits that the F-35I Adir could have invaded Iranian airspace, where the C-300 Iranian systems also did not detect them.

Does radius allow?
Another American "expert", on the contrary, is worried that now Russians in Syria know everything about F-22, because C-300 and C-400 thoroughly scanned it. And offers not to use F35, so that it is not "calculated". Do the allies know?

[Cheshire]

He doesn’t see ... he doesn’t see ... flock to the crowd of Jews ... so that all your stealths can be slammed at once.

[impostor]

the advertisement is engine of the trade. Other similar iksperds write the opposite, about the use of radar reflectors, so that Russian radars do not get true data about the EPR of the Fu-35 ahead of time. Who to believe?

[Same lech]

Whom to believe?

Kalashnikov assault rifle.
If the ancient S-200s Syrians managed to bring down the Israeli F-16 then what can we say about more advanced systems.
There’s something else ... you need to look in whose hands this weapon is.
If in the hands of our military experts, then we can safely say that US aviation will suffer serious losses when trying to test the strength of the S-300.
If in the hands of gouging who did not think to disguise their installation and staged a smoke break in the sight of enemy drones ... then of course you can cover the S-400 with impunity.

It’s not a weapon that is fighting ... a man is fighting ... a soldier ... an officer ... and he must be able to perfectly use his weapon against the enemy.

[impostor]

I believe Kovrovsky more

[Black_PR]

Talking with your tongue - do not toss the bags ..))) Now let the real launches in a combat situation pass, then it will be seen. A "expert" - in the cockpit ...)))

[impostor]

Good idea! I also offered the WOT developers a network in any TT at their 10th level and poke it from Carnation. And let them explain to Peter and Paul that there should have been a non-penetration of OF

[Sands Careers General]

That's what the ancient Sumerians thought when they received an answer from our carnations in due time))

[75 hammer]

I draw your attention when the S-300 detection radar turns on, which means it will take the target for escort, for further destruction (the pilot should at that moment fart loudly and poop in his pants, have not yet come up with a working anti-aircraft maneuver against the S-300, even with EW ( maneuvers in Greece)), and for an overview of the air situation is used "SKY-U" and the like, which work in which wavelength range, guess and see "invisibility" perfectly.

[Strips]

Quote: Hammer 75

have not yet come up with a working anti-aircraft maneuver against the S-300, even with electronic warfare (maneuvers in Greece)),

Was this told to you in Israel after testing the C300 in Greece?

[75 hammer]

And no one hid these data, even our observers were there, but you did not know! Repent further.

[newcomer]

another “expert." apparently f35 pilots were ordered to close their eyes when approaching our air defense zone of responsibility_ this is from the series: the child closes his eyes in the hope that he will not see the object of his fear. On the topic, this is another anti-advertising of our systems (we keep Turkey in mind, etc.); at the same time an advertisement for the 35th project, which the Yankee warriors themselves are looking crookedly.

[Yak28]

Let Lockheed-Martin pay a little to Russia, and our Ministry of Defense will say that the F-35 is not visible at all to the S-300, S-400, thereby helping the United States sell the F-35.

[Prutkov]

And so the Jews were so excited when they only hinted that they would bring the S-300 to Syria.

[ANCIENT]

How many stupid people can quote? ?? This expert does not even understand physics at the user level, otherwise he would understand that afar f 35 works in a passive mode, and as soon as he switches to the active radiation mode, the plane is visible for hundreds of kilometers! In addition, any long-wave radar will easily notice f35 for many hundreds of kilometers!

[voyaka uh]

"afar f 35 works in a passive mode, and as soon as it passes
active radiation mode, the plane is visible for many hundreds of kilometers! "///

This is not true. The radar there is very well-worn: it is both passive, and active, and a scanner,
and electronic warfare - at the same time. Different sections of it can work simultaneously
in different modes. And its radiation in active mode for hundreds of kilometers
you will not see.

[ANCIENT]

Alexey is this a joke, or you were incorrectly informed! In this case, the sense of stealth is less than zero, because if the radar is in active mode continuously, finding a signal source and a very strong signal is not a problem at all!

[voyaka uh]

"because if the radar is in active mode continuously," ///

Have I written "continuously" somewhere?
It is switched on by pulses, both at variable frequencies, and in a very narrow sector -
not detect anything.
You can spot the radar on the contour of the aircraft, but that's what stealth does.
Or by heat, but from a relatively close distance, when it is already too late.

[ANCIENT]

The plane, as well as the materials of which it is made, has one thing, but in case of thorns in the atmosphere, the plane begins to radiate additionally in the ultraviolet part of the spectrum, this is due to the body materials, it is affected by friction and, most of all, the composites are the source of such radiation! Finding a plane in the atmosphere is not a big problem!

[bmv04636]

as I understand it, the penguin may have been allowed to fly over Lebanese territory. According to the flight of the penguin over the territory of Iran, as everyone understands the full bret did not

[sabakina]

Quote: voyaka uh

Have I written "continuously" somewhere? It is switched on by pulses, both at variable frequencies and in a very narrow sector - nothing can be detected ..

Here I strongly doubt it. I think that not only calculations are sitting behind the S-300 and S-400 equipment, but also specialists with their equipment. Until we used F-22 and F-35 near us, we knew nothing about them. The situevina has changed. I bow that you have very good electronic equipment, but we do not need to be kept for complete ....

[SETTGF]

voyaka uh! If you do not understand radar - then do not write nonsense ... Especially about the continuous mode of operation - the pulse mode! And if you put interference AFAR - then you will be clearly visible on the radar, which put! And no matter how you design the shape of the plane, you can only reduce the image intensifier tube and it is impossible to do this from different angles - otherwise the plane will not fly - there is also the concept of aerodynamics ...

[Maz]

Only now Israel is going to purchase from the United States about thirty .... F-15 .... Yeah, and why? And the f-35 is poor in payload, the IDF does not like it, it carries few missiles. That's the tact, gentlemen. And let this Eflyashka not fool anyone. And AFAR can be put on the Su-30, and on the Su-35, and so on.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: voyaka uh

The radar there is very well-worn: it is both passive, and active, and a scanner,
and electronic warfare - at the same time. Different sections of it can work simultaneously
in different modes. And its radiation in active mode for hundreds of kilometers
you will not see.

How can the radiation of a survey locator or an interference source be made “invisible”?

[Cossack 471]

The S-200 receives a signal reflected from the target with a power of 10 at minus the 14th degree of Watt. and if you have included something on board the plane, be quiet see you ....

[Outside]

And here is a quote from Ilya Kramnik:

"More interestingly, Israel uses these machines with radar reflectors - devices that increase the visibility of aircraft, distorting their radar signature.

The meaning of their use is understandable: in the conditions of a local conflict of low intensity, the stealth characteristics of the F-35 are not particularly needed - the use of long-range weapons allows you to fire at targets, remaining outside the affected area of ​​ground-based air defense systems, often - and outside the airspace of the same Syria. However, a large number of Russian radars in the vicinity forces to hide the real "stealth" F-35, so as not to lose this trump card ahead of time.

Yes, the F-22s in Alaska, taking off to intercept the Russian Tu-95s, are also equipped with radar reflectors. When will the fifth generation cars go into battle for the first time without them? It’s probably better not to speculate on this subject. "

As they say, No comments ...

[HMR333]

but where are the facts that they generally flew? and the bottom line is if there was a team to shoot down the Russian c300 then it would blather for something and this is idle talk!

[voyaka uh]

Here is the Israeli F-35 on a clear day over Beirut.
With reflective lenses, of course (circled in red).

In the lower right corner of the photo - Beirut International Runway
Airport.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: voyaka uh

Here is the Israeli F-35 on a clear day over Beirut.
With reflective lenses, of course (circled in red).

In the lower right corner of the photo - Beirut International Runway
Airport.

It is not clear from the photo whether the plane entered Lebanese airspace or not.
And the second point, Lebanon does not have air defense means to "remove" the aircraft from 10-11 km altitude.

[Pimply]

Beirut airport, Hezbollah’s stronghold Dahia, and so on, in general, the angle was chosen with a great hint.

[Grandfather Makar]

Quote: Pimply

Under the plane you can see the Beirut airport, the stronghold of Hezbollah quarter Dahiya, and so on, in general, the angle chosen with a big hint

They would have driven him into the stratosphere ... Let them violate the Russian border and then look at them with emitters from all sides I remember they bragged about their invulnerability, then they judged Power and showed the wreckage to the whole world!
We in Russia have never allowed ourselves this, even against small and harmful countries on the border, and not only .. Let’s check the gentlemen, and then don’t whine about the “evil Russians”

[sabakina]

C-300 do not even see them with reflectors? Mama Mia!

[XXXIII]

Quote: voyaka uh

Here is the Israeli F-35

For you circumcised ?!

The shape of the horizontal stabilizer of the F-35 fighter of the earlier version and later parties has changed, noted in one of the western military forums ....
1. Version - this is due to damage to the skin as a result of heat stroke ....
2. The problem with the overheating of the horizontal stabilizer when flying with afterburner .....

[SETTGF]

voyaka uh! Do not write nonsense!

[sabakina]

Do not see? Well, okay. Then there will be a surprise! (c) V. Vinokur.

[serg123]

Something reminds me of the elusive Joe

[Ham]

you will not praise yourself - no one will praise;)

[sir_obs]

He also said that the F-35I Adir is equipped with a radar with an active phased array antenna, capable of drowning the enemy’s electronic equipment.

Then you can only laugh, well, or cry. The level of "expert" is beyond.

Publishing nonsense from Popular Mechanics, designed for mentally retarded students, it's just some kind of tin. These are purely comics.

[Vard]

That is, this plane flies its nose ... then it does not turn around flies its tail forward ... it doesn’t open the bombs ... it’s called to carry out a combat mission ... The elusive Joe rushed along the prairie ...

[Strashila]

When old radars are attacked in Syria ... then it’s not just like that, they make cleansing for the "invisible". After all, he is "invisible" only in certain ranges of the radar ... namely, the old ones in the range see them well.

[Jack O'Neill]

When old radars are attacked in Syria ... then it’s not just like that, they make cleansing for the "invisible". After all, he is "invisible" only in certain ranges of the radar ... namely, the old ones in the range see them well.

What nonsense is that?
Means of meter range radars (surveillance radars), which small-sized targets see better, but with a much greater error!

[flicker]

Russian S-300 air defense missile systems do not see American F-35 fighters

Well then, with a clear conscience, you can transfer Syria S-300. Israel has nothing to worry about.

[G A_2]

Quote: flicker

Russian S-300 air defense missile systems do not see American F-35 fighters

Well then, with a clear conscience, you can transfer Syria S-300. Israel has nothing to worry about.

It is necessary for those who paid money for s-300 to worry, since they won’t live long, it’s a pity they are dear

[Alex20042004]

Quote: Vanko

And here is a quote from Ilya Kramnik:

"More interestingly, Israel uses these machines with radar reflectors - devices that increase the visibility of aircraft, distorting their radar signature.

The meaning of their use is understandable: in the conditions of a local conflict of low intensity, the stealth characteristics of the F-35 are not particularly needed - the use of long-range weapons allows you to fire at targets, remaining outside the affected area of ​​ground-based air defense systems, often - and outside the airspace of the same Syria. However, a large number of Russian radars in the vicinity forces to hide the real "stealth" F-35, so as not to lose this trump card ahead of time.

Yes, the F-22s in Alaska, taking off to intercept the Russian Tu-95s, are also equipped with radar reflectors. When will the fifth generation cars go into battle for the first time without them? It’s probably better not to speculate on this subject. "

As they say, No comments ...

Radar reflector, designed to be used as a means of increasing visibility. A radar reflector is used on ships, boats and rescue vessels.

I did not understand your useless maneuver.
Please explain.

[Outside]

[quote = Alex20042004] [quote = Vanko] And here is a quote from Ilya Kramnik:

"More interestingly, Israel uses these machines with radar reflectors - devices that increase the visibility of aircraft, distorting their radar signature.
[quote = Vanko]


I did not understand your useless maneuver.
Please explain. [/ Quote]

What you do not understand?

[Outside]

This (expert?) Writes that the Israeli F300, equipped with radar reflectors, did not notice the C35. What are we discussing here?

[sabakina]

Corner reflectors!

[Beltasir matyagu]

Wow. The ability to "see" them was laid in 300ku even before the first f35 took to the air

[G A_2]

Quote: Beltasir Matyagu

Wow. The ability to "see" them was laid in 300ku even before the first f35 took to the air

A billion times said this. You can see the stealth. At what distance in the range of centimeter, millimeter, decimeter, meter waves. That is the question. Real EPR are kept secret. Advertising on f35 f22 su57 we know from wikipedia

[Beltasir matyagu]

The star was broadcast about tsagi. They have accurate large-scale copies of all NATO products for a complete study, including EPR This is even funny. Guess yourself further

[G A_2]

Quote: Beltasir Matyagu

The star was broadcast about tsagi. They have accurate large-scale copies of all NATO products for a complete study, including EPR This is even funny. Guess yourself further

Stupidly measured EPR geometry and glider copies of a real airplane So what? Did you solve the problem? Is it that simple?

[Cossack 471]

I don’t like to gossip about the fact that “the plane of its AFAR suppresses the S-300” Well then, the S-200 will work quietly on it. The chapter in the Shooting Rules is called "Shooting at the jammer"

[_Ugene_]

that the F-35I Adir, equipped with a radar with an active phased array, could simply "drown" the Syrian and Iranian electronic equipment

this is generally a masterpiece, everything with this expert is clear

[Wolka]

Trump would once again say that this is just another media news from the media

[Kent0001]

This wunderwafle "Syrians! Or" Iranians "should be shot down quietly, but somehow it’s not a camilpho for our systems, while we stream around, first along the Shell, now along the S-300.

[nathanael]

They would flog crap ... How could he have flown to Iran and back without refueling. At least we could see the distance. At least two gas stations .. What refueling machines are invisible already?

[Alexander War]

US Permanent Representative to UN Haley booed at the University of Houston VIDEO

[G A_2]

Free society. What to take from them. They do not understand that an official of this rank should be treated with trepidation. Slavishly looking into his mouth and assenting

[APASUS]

One of the authors of Popular Mechanics, Joe Pappalardo, said that the Israeli F-35I Adir fighter could safely carry out the task, since the Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missile system located in Syria simply did not "notice" it

And why are the Jews so worried? Casket just opened the S-300 does not see him

One of the authors of Popular Mechanics, Joe Pappalardo, said that the Israeli F-35I Adir fighter could safely carry out the task, since the Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missile system located in Syria simply did not "notice" it

So it is, the generator on the F-35I Adir can knock down satellites with a signal, but here is some sort of S-300

[sabakina]

Turkey . What satellites are there? Adir to the moon can tear from orbit!

[nikoliski]

For some reason I’m not very surprised (the S-300 system of the 80s, and the F35 incorporates everything that can be obtained after decades), it must be compared in opposition to the S-400, otherwise the patriots will shout for a long time that "F35 does not fly ", it doesn’t just fly, but has been produced in serial production for hundreds of cars for a long time and for so many issued copies the problems are insignificant (for example, out of our 14 Su-57s, one already had an engine surge, for example, this is known officially, but unofficially our always hide any problems , unlike the Americans, honestly announcing for example about problems with the EPR of the landing hook, which they later decided, our problems on the decks are obviously "not", which is probably why when Kuznetsov only took part in the war, he immediately lost 2 planes that just fell off him (I don’t remember such jambs for amers for a long time, but the Yak-38 vertical lines in the Soviet fleet so often fell that they got the unflattering nickname “creating widows”) We must pay tribute to the Americans that they brought to mind w the vertical-link project, combining it seemed incompatible with stealth technology, so the Americans respect, and we urgently need to catch up, Su57 is high time in a series and not 10 pieces, but at least a hundred to start (we will eliminate the problems during operation, otherwise we will lag behind not only from NATO, but also from a more serious enemy, from China, who have more people than in the EU and the USA put together to such an extent that they will fill us up with corpses and invade our territory in no way (2 BAM and Transib roads cut them and the Far East)

[alstr]

From the S-300 system of the early 80s, only the name remains. All electronic filling, and most importantly software has changed almost completely.

[nikoliski]

Where did the new S-300 Favorite come from in Syria? we didn’t deliver them, if there are Iranian S-300Vs with a maximum missile range of 75 km, I’m writing about them, it’s clear that the S-300 Favorite, by combat capabilities, was not far from the S-400, half of the missile except ultra-long 400km which, interchangeable)

[alstr]

In Syria, the S-300 is exclusively ours.
All the complexes that are in service with the Russian Federation (namely, they were transferred to Syria), in any case, underwent modernization (maybe not the latest version, but close to that, i.e. from the complex of the early 80s there was only a name left there).
Plus, the most important thing is rockets, because the radar was already powerful. And there, too, have long exceeded the radius for 100 km.

Moreover, I can say that the complexes of the release of the 80s and the release of the 90s are also two big differences. The electronic filling there is also different (similar, but different). There are completely different calculators, and the antenna canvas is a bit different. The software is also new.
All junk is now probably in the military departments is either written off.

[nikoliski]

Can’t the S-300 be transported to Syria, do you even watch the news? And if the c300 is ours, then the f35 destroyed precisely “our” air defense system, and not the Iranian copy, we would have started talking differently with Israel after that

[Servisinzhener]

Or maybe because the leadership of Russia and Israel thinks with his head, and not with his back seat. And it doesn’t act in logic: - Oh, there is a person nearby. And I just have a colt. It is necessary to shoot him at a man.

[bmv04636]

I looked at the map without refueling. The penguin will not fly to Iran, but they did not even notice the hippopotamus

[BastaKarapuzik And]

If the F-35s are not included in the S-300 detection zone, then they may not be able to see them. Israel had the opportunity to get acquainted with the 300-koy sold to someone from its allies. This was written about, they even conducted exercises to counter this air defense system. most likely o-o-chen they fly cautiously, so that it would be guaranteed not to be visible on radars. Actually, there is nothing special to boast about. If you were flying under your nose, but they were not noticed, then yes, there would be something to talk about. Let them write where exactly they flew, when, at what altitude. We won’t believe otherwise. ))))

[bmv04636]

C300 is in service with Greece, though quite old

[farcop]

Quote: BastaKarapuzikI

Israel had the opportunity to get acquainted with the 300-koy sold to someone from its allies.

Well, duck wrote a hundred times the couches, they say it’s not such a s-300, but the real one will certainly reach, and those, well, where they are.

[BastaKarapuzik And]

They “believe” that the 35th is really invisible to radars, then it will be 100% knocked down, knocked down like that invisibility in Yugoslavia.

[farcop]

Quote: BastaKarapuzikI

They “believe” that the 35th is really invisible to radars, then it will be 100% knocked down, knocked down like that invisibility in Yugoslavia.

Well, where is that Yugoslavia.? hundreds of raids, hundreds of bombings and hurt one plane. Vaughn Rassay analogueless flying, how much has fallen in Syria and even without air defense? There are losses in war. The question is always worth how much loss. This alignment will be accepted with a bang.

[BastaKarapuzik And]

Well, the official losses of NATO during the war in Yugoslavia are 6 aircraft. Two units are combat losses and four are not combat losses.
There are unofficial figures. They are more than an order of magnitude higher. Yugoslavs claim the downing of more than a hundred aircraft. Although only those officially declared are confirmed, it seems strange that during training flights, NATO aircraft fall like any other, and from a real collision with the enemy, two pieces are lost. How so? Could they, well, purely theoretically, crash during sorties due to all kinds of errors and malfunctions there? Of the four lost non-combat units, THREE are lost as a result of training flights.
In Iraq, a hundred aircraft were lost, it at least seems like the truth.
Of course, the Yugoslavs had no chance, not only to win, but even to inflict significant damage, but obviously not two planes.
It is also noteworthy that of the two officially recognized NATO downed, one is stealth. As if filling up it is no more difficult than usual.

[farcop]

Quote: BastaKarapuzikI

There are unofficial figures. They are more than an order of magnitude higher. Yugoslavs claim the downing of more than a hundred aircraft.

What are you saying? Hundreds? Yes, with such results, Yugoslavia should have been one of the giants of the planet, and where is it? But you better keep believing them. And you are more blessed and we are calmer, know what your unparalleled costs are.

[BastaKarapuzik And]

Well, if the losses from training flights are higher than combat, then the military should be interested, so that there would always be war, it is safer.

Yugoslavia was supposed to be one of the giants of the planet, and where is it?

And what do you think? Should the Yugoslavs defeat the NATO bloc? They basically should not have done this. There is nothing much to boast about for NATO-members here, they had an overwhelming advantage.

Regarding the difference in the assessment of NATO losses, this can only happen because the parties consider these losses differently. From the point of view of NATO, an aircraft that has received damage, but reached the base, or crashed accidentally and needs to be restored, may not be considered lost. From the point of view of anti-aircraft gunners, a plane that was "taken out" by a rocket, which began to lose altitude, left, so to speak, the battlefield, is rightly supposed to be shot down. It was similar with the calculation of tank losses in World War II — the tank was knocked out, reported.

[farcop]

Quote: BastaKarapuzikI

In your? Yugoslavs were to defeat the NATO bloc

No, it’s your opinion, they’ve killed hundreds of NATO aircraft.

[BastaKarapuzik And]

If there were a hundred of them all.

[top_war_shit]

let them fly closer and see

[pafegosoff]

What does the radar grille and jamming of air defense have to do with it? I would say that the flights were carried out in the initial phase of the moon ...

[Mentat]

Quote: voyaka uh

You can spot the radar on the contour of the aircraft, but that's what stealth does.

Quote: voyaka uh

Here is the Israeli F-35 on a clear day over Beirut.
With reflective lenses of course (circled in red).

Also, of course. Don't you think that a contradiction has crept in somewhere? If Russian radars are not able to see stealth airplanes, why paste them with reflectors, why spend all your energy, time, money on this, these are meaningless actions. Apparently, all the same, they are not meaningless; they need to be “glued” with reflectors, of course, not so much airplanes and stealth as it turns out in practice.

[sabakina]

I also wanted Vojaka to write about this. They probably want it to glow like a Boeing 777 .... And then, how did the S-300 not even see with reflectors?

[CYM]

Until 1965, the U.S. Air Force was in expanse in Vietnam, as a result, 3374 aircraft were lost at the end of the war. Consider themselves "elusive Joe", well, well.

[vic02]

While Putin will be friends with the leaders of the organized crime group called Israel, they will continue to bomb what they want with impunity in Syria, and Russia will incur reputation losses.

[Outside]

See the F35? No. But he is.

[romance 1]

Ukrainians who are hiding from the military registration and enlistment office, that they wouldn’t meet Russian equipment in the Donbas, are not kidding. I thought that after repulsing the attack of "smart" US missiles, there would be no more complaints against our weapons. In southern Syria there are not 300 complexes, and from 200. and no f 35 attacked (source the channel "Orthodox Russia"), the Israelis generally attacked the south of Syria for a long time and lost both planes and missiles, so ...

[major147]

Let them think so ...

[Romario_Argo]

everything is very complex
here it’s not a AFAR on the F-35, but the radiation pulse power which is much more powerful with the S-300 air defense system, + frequency tuning at least 1000 once a second, + radars of other ranges
and it's not even about C-300.
takes place 2 domes in 1.
The 1 radar dome from 400 to 200 km is where fighter aircraft operate,
2-th DOM Dome 200 to 5 km
+ attached air defense missile systems of the MD type of air defense system Shell of the radar - 40 km, range SAM - 20 km.
* Expert some kind of cardboard

[Guillon]

Well, if they don’t see it, then we deliver to the S-300 SAR and it’s the hat !!!

[vovashturman]

Hostile propaganda. The development of the 60s p-18 meter radar station sees birds of the steam men from a height of 1500-2.0, what do their EPR superplanes have less than the eagle? And modern stations with digital signal processing "Sky", etc. will give a target designation of + - 1 km, but it’s completely to start crumbling ...

[Flyer_64]

Bullshit is written in the S-300, -400 kit. The radar 96L6-1 / 96L6E includes a circular view with four-wheel azimuth multi-beam antenna array, which provides beam scanning in the elevated plane, automatically provides information on the air situation on the RPN for a wide class of aerodynamic targets such as airplanes, helicopters and UAVs at altitudes up to 100 km. A Global Haw UAV detects and escorts into the lungs, and as you know, it is half carbon fiber. Why is the F-35 so praised, because the wings are made for it in Israel and this is an advertisement.

[XXXIII]

expert

And this is another expert .....

[Hiller]

well take a chance ... check .. weak?

[XXXIII]

Quote: hiller

well take a chance ... check .. weak?

The F-35 program has not yet paid off, the states will strike out for such insolence, so they will only check where there is no danger ....

[Hiller]

they won’t check at all ... staaaaashashno ...

[prapor75m]

RIA NEWS. A SYRIAN AIRDOM NEAR HOMS ATTACKED A MISSILE ATTACK, AIR DEFENSE SYSTEMS SUCCESSFULLY REFLECTED IT - SYRANA SANA STATE AGENCY WITH A LINK TO THE SOURCE

RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/syria/20180524/1521309465.html Just published

[Strips]

Well, if Syria stated that the air defense systems were successfully repelled, then this is true .

We will wait for satellite images and information updates.

[prapor75m]

Yeah, as well as everyone else, we are waiting for pictures about the destroyed Beeches ... they’ve already been waiting Tiras when you put an avatar with pace, who do you understand everything for a long time it remains to find out the salary, 30 shekels a day, a week or a month you get

[Strips]

Quote: prapor75m

Yeah, as well as everyone else, we are waiting for pictures about the destroyed Beeches ... they’ve already been waiting

Israel has already shown enough.
Why spoil good relations with Putin, who does not prevent Israel from hitting Syria?

Why hit the quality of Russian technology, especially since the supply of C300 froze?

Quote: prapor75m

Tiras when you put an avatar with pace

For you soon.

Quote: prapor75m

it remains to find out the salary, 30 shekels a day, a week or a month you get

This is a hobby, and at my work I get more than 30 shekels per hour.

[real israeli]

Quote: weksha50

Experts divorced ...
What, in order to prove visibility, it was necessary to shoot down one of the F-35?

The F-35 ensures the independence of tactical operations from enemy ground assets - not a single radar in the world sees these fighters. The level of automation of the aircraft is such that the pilot practically does not monitor the instruments and flight characteristics of the aircraft, but is focused on completing the task. Thus, flight reliability increases sharply and its dependence on the so-called human factor is significantly reduced.

The Israeli company Elbit Systems also participated in the development of the F-35; Lockheed Martin opened a technology center in Israel to cooperate with it. Israeli researchers and engineers created the F-35's original wing, composite materials, avionics components and a high-tech pilot's helmet, many of which are classified. The adoption of the Israeli version of the helmet is all the more pleasing because Elbit won this championship against one of the world leaders - the British concern BAE Systems.
At the end of June 2011, the Israeli Air Force sent its specialists to the United States, where they headed a team developing the Israeli version of the fighter, the F-35I. Together with engineers from the Pentagon and Lockheed Martin, they integrated Israeli technologies into the new aircraft.

By agreement with the Israelis, the Americans hid the “Israeli elements” of the F-35 for a long time - until Saudi Arabia and the Emirates, purchasing these fighters worth tens of billions of dollars, demanded that they be equipped not with “native” ones, but with Israeli avionics adapted for conducting combat operations in the Middle East.
http://stop-news.com/tsakhal/vvs-izrailya-4-e-v-m
ire
THIS IS AN EXPERT OPINION! Not from Kisel-TV!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhxj4M4Ek0

[Evgenii Xolod]

35 is a good plane with its + and - but it’s too early to sing odes to it. The eternal struggle between shield and spear....... Until he worked against the Russian crew (which I wouldn’t want and feel sorry for the glacier and the crew, you never know))) it won’t be clear who is cooler. The Arabs are too hot, but here you have to be a cold-blooded caracodile) in Egypt, f 16 did the same thing they wanted until Soviet specialists arrived and added work to the “black messengers”

[SETTGF]

a real Israeli! No need to write nonsense! There are no invisible planes!!! First, learn the basic equation of radar and stop writing fairy tales, you couch strategist...

[Cossack 471]

GRISHA duped the F-35 advertisement and honestly fulfilled the promised shekels

[romance 1]

I also saw the info that Israeli planes were shot down from repaired Soviet complexes with 200... and your ultra-modern missiles were shot down by “shells” more than once. (and American ones recently too). The info is also not jelly TV, but the channel “Orthodox Rus'”, author - Dushenov is a former officer, submariner.

[prapor75m]

Quote: The real Israelite

THIS IS AN EXPERT OPINION! Not from Kisel-TV!

yes we believe we believe

[G A_2]

Prapor75 that's why you're so primitive

[prapor75m]

you send me a link to a virus, this number won’t work for you and I’ve already seen how they reflect it, in February for example

[Strips]

It was shot down, but more than 20 missiles were fired at it from the S200 and Buk, and even then, the pilot and navigator survived.
And as it turned out, the pilots made a number of mistakes and therefore did not have time to respond to the threat in time.

In general, the F35 will require quite a few missiles.

And before that,

On April 14, 2018, the Syrian government used the S-200 to counter the missile strike of the United States, Britain and France in 2018. Eight missiles were fired, but no targets were hit.

[real israeli]

Quote: vic02

and Russia will suffer reputational losses

To lose something, you must first HAVE!

[aiden]

the most important thing is sovereignty, unlike you, with
watch dogs of the USA. You won't understand this.

[Swag]

Well, it’s not for you to speak for your reputation, where would you be if not for the USA.

[Borders]

have WHAT? Reputation? Who ? Do you think that Putin cares what a particular Boris Johnson thinks of him? Or do you think Perez was worried about what Perdogasa said about him? Everything is relative.oga

[123456789]

Quote: Polite Elk

3. While the F-35 is considered the peak of the creation of an aviation genius, it will be bought by the allies of the n-owls. For very substantial money. Let them spend it. Disappointed - they will start to buy something else.

But the choice is small: either our Su-57s or Chinese jets

[prapor75m]

Quote: Tiras

when will you put an avatar with sidelocks
For you soon

don't delay this

[prapor75m]

Quote: Tiras

pictures of the destroyed Buks...we're already tired of waiting
Israel has already shown enough.

video with a shell and a radar and that’s it.....ask for a raise at work, otherwise it’s not convincing By the way, about the avatar, I’m giving it for free

[Strips]

Quote: prapor75m

video with the shell and with the radar and everything...

But video from the rocket + satellite images.

If you don’t have enough, ask the Russian Defense Ministry

[Sands Careers General]

Zvezdezh. Firstly, it is not the S-300, but the S-400 that the Russian troops have in Syria, and secondly, who said that the planes were not noticed. Did the Jews themselves monitor the radar readings?
Thirdly, the “newest American fighter” is complete raw bullshit, and how aggressively it is advertised that you can simply shrug your shoulders. Jews also got involved in advertising.

[aiden]

Jewish folk tales. for citizens of the partially recognized (or unrecognized) state of Israel.

[Victor_B]

Do Russian air defense systems know this?
I mean they don't see.

[prapor75m]

Quote: Tiras

and then the pilot and navigator survived

I agree here, the Syrians didn’t finish it

[Strips]

Quote: prapor75m

I agree here, the Syrians didn’t finish it

Believe me, Assad was simply happy that the pilot and navigator were alive, otherwise Israel would have destroyed half of Syria.
Israel already had a good run at Syria's air defense after that incident.

[Victor_B]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Zvezdezh. Firstly, it is not the S-300, but the S-400 that the Russian troops have in Syria, and secondly, who said that the planes were not noticed. Did the Jews themselves monitor the radar readings?

Actually, there’s an S-300 in Tartus! -IN. Military, on caterpillar tracks.
No worse than the S-400, however!

[prapor75m]

Quote: Tiras

Believe me, Assad was simply happy that the pilot and navigator were alive, otherwise Israel would have destroyed half of Syria

Well, I don’t believe it, not a bit You can only try to demolish half of Syria from a sofa, and it doesn’t work out convincingly

[Strips]

Ask Nasrallah, he will confirm

[prapor75m]

Quote: Tiras

Israel already had a good run at Syria's air defense after that incident.

I see the text on the monitor, but I don’t see how Israel went somewhere there , I saw a video with a shell and a photo of a damaged radar and everything .... the rest is brisk knocking on the keyboard about the imaginary successes of the Israeli Air Force of you and your colleagues

[Strips]

Your right to think so
While you're thinking, Israel is doing

[prapor75m]

Quote: Tiras

While you're thinking, Israel is doing

this is what I see bangs hard on the keyboard Syrians are in fear of the IDF wars

[Strips]

Quote: prapor75m

I see that the Syrians are vigorously knocking on the keyboard in fear of the IDF wars

[Fitter65]

Thus, the expert concludes, the true state of affairs between the best Russian export weapons, the S-300 and the F-35, is revealed, i.e. F-35 aircraft are invisible to Russian systems

Blessed is he who believes! The F-117 was “not seen” in both Iraq and Yugoslavia.

[gromoboj]

Let them decide. Muffled or just invisible? It is difficult to be invisible when the locator is turned on.

[Dimon19661]

The article is complete nonsense - a person who has NEVER worked on air defense systems, and generally has extremely scant information about the operation of such systems. The comments are generally .... poor sofas (((.

[Leonid Har]

If the F35 turns on its AFAR, it will be immediately detected by all air defense systems. Most likely they are not seen, since it was not in vain that Netanyahu walked next to Putin on Victory Day in Red Square.

[Irina shamray]

Does Iran really have the S 300? And even on the territory of Syria? Yes, and they didn’t seem to target Syria. There are also deep doubts about the preparation of calculations (especially Syrian ones). Most of them are not friends with equipment more complex than a meat grinder.
There are enough lies on both sides for everyone.
As for PAR, I can only laugh. - “This one also stated that the F-35I Adir, equipped with an active phased array radar, could simply “jam” Syrian and Iranian electronic equipment created on the basis of Russian models...”
And what, “Russian samples” of the 300/400 series air defense missile systems already not equipped with AFAR? Moreover, additionally with long-wave “lobe” antennas? // The BIUS of the air defense system is tailored for this configuration - the configuration is tailored // Aviation is equipped, but the air defense system is not, it turns out. Indeed, where did these “wild primitive Russians” get their AFARs? I bet this "smart guy" doesn't have the slightest idea what it is. The resolution and selectivity, the signal-to-noise ratio of American matrices is better, who can argue. World leaders in electronic components, one can only dream of such things. But about capacity , capable of “blowing out” the radiation from the antenna of such an advanced product, this is already too much. The gas-electric turbine of an aircraft still cannot be compared in terms of the power of the air defense system’s power source (or there will be a flying power plant, and even that is not a fact). Like the radiation power on the cluster of the AFAR segment, the value is finite, otherwise it will “fry”. Is it possible to cool it with liquid helium? The pulse is short and may not have time to heat up (thermal resistance of the crystal/case)

[SETTGF]

Irina Shamray! Bravo! The antennas are not lobe antennas, but directional (narrowly directional) with a radiation pattern in the form of a “lobe”...

[Expert2017]

There have been too many would-be experts lately. Let's start with the fact that the F-35 did not fly into the airspace of Iran and Syria at all and end with the fact that the S-300 of the first and latest modifications are completely different systems. Not to mention the fact that work on Iranian targets is being carried out successfully and with the help of old F-16s and F-15s.

[Evgenii Xolod]

Did he enter the zone???? As I understand it, Israel used the old, doomsday (more precisely, sales from Vietnam)))) tactics, washing at the border of the reach zone. The children of the desert joyfully shoot at them, all in one gulp. When they run out of missiles and a reloading “crisis” sets in, they fly into the zone and do whatever they want.

[sgazeev]

The Turks are being spread rot. Well, it’s okay that the F-35 doesn’t see, when they shoot it down they’ll see for themselves.

[Romanenko]

The main thing is to convince yourself that everything is fine. And then everything becomes really good until they shoot you down.
Crow for now.

[Servisinzhener]

If the F-35 were such a miracle weapon, then the American flag would have been flying over Pyongyang long ago. But something is preventing them from making even a disarming strike on North Korea with its archaic air defense systems, aviation and a limited number of nuclear weapons carriers that could threaten US territory. And this despite the fact that both the technological and quantitative levels of the United States and North Korea are incomparable.

[Е2 - Е4]

Everyone can see I can do everything, but they can’t shoot me down!!! This begs the question: is this really so, no, the answer is obvious, it could have been shot down a long time ago

[outsider]

Quote: Servisinzhener

If the F-35 were such a miracle weapon, then the American flag would have been flying over Pyongyang long ago. But something is preventing them from making even a disarming strike on North Korea with its archaic air defense systems, aviation and a limited number of nuclear weapons carriers that could threaten US territory. And this despite the fact that both the technological and quantitative levels of the United States and North Korea are incomparable.

- CHINA IS INTERFERING. HIS ARMED FORCES, AIR DEFENSE AND MISSILEMENTARY, HIS AIR FORCE.

[outsider]

Quote: Leonid Har

If the F35 turns on its AFAR, it will be immediately detected by all air defense systems.

- The F-35 APG-81 radar has a needle-shaped radiation pattern, lobe diameter ~2°. And the side lobe level is less than 60 dB lower.
There is no need to talk about something that you don’t understand “neither snout nor ear”...

[outsider]

Quote: Nathanael

They would flog crap ... How could he have flown to Iran and back without refueling. At least we could see the distance. At least two gas stations .. What refueling machines are invisible already?

- Have you been banned from Google again?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-3
5_Lightning_II # Specifications_ (F-35A)
_______________F-35A......F-35B......F-35C
Fighting radius.....1,239 km....935 km...1,241 km
on internal fuel

Is there a line?
http://www.rusif.ru/vremya/gm-bVostok/images/map/
Blijnii_Vostok-polit-3046x2771.jpg

[Zaurbek]

Were they sold to Israel without STEALTH coverage? Why are they green?

[Mentat]

Quote: Real Israelite

Quote: weksha50

Experts divorced ...
What, in order to prove visibility, it was necessary to shoot down one of the F-35?

The F-35 ensures the independence of tactical operations from enemy ground assets - not a single radar in the world sees these fighters.
THIS IS AN EXPERT OPINION! Not from Kisel-TV!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhxj4M4Ek0

This is the stuff of a troll-advertiser, a liar and a talker, not Kisel-TV, you understand.
Do you look at the links you insert yourself?
Quote:
“He is not seen by radar or seen in a very small plane... judging by all known sources, he has a lot of Israeli electronics, which gives him the opportunity to be invisible to some types of radar».
What exactly is a small plane? Invisible only to certain types of radars. Yeah, the plane is completely invisible.

Further: “A lot of the missiles that were launched towards Israeli planes are old complexes that are still historically located in Syria. They do not pose a great danger, and this, it seems to me, was [the reason] for the crash of the Israeli plane, because the pilots did not take this danger seriously.”
So are you looking at your own links or just to blurt out something on the forum?

[Swag]

Alternatively, you can look into a crystal ball...

[Div0man]

Quote: nikoliski

Near Solasen they see as a large bird, for example, only they don’t shoot missiles at each bird (EPR B-2 is like an eagle), it’s first, secondly, it’s seen, it’s impossible to aim the rocket at a target with such a small ESR (if the target interferes with the radar guidance systems for missiles, this is one thing, but missiles have their own radar seeker, and what is the minimum ESR of the target? Nobody will really answer about this, we need tests, test firing, by the way, I think the Slovaks provided their time, the S-300 SAM system for Americans, probably the escape methods (breaking the capture of the radar from themselves) were worked out by them on f35 during the first flights (otherwise there was no point in investing so much money into this program, and where they went then, there are already hundreds of billions of dollars )

I heard that the Americans are collecting an experimental sample with the EPR of a sparrow, and in development with the EPR of a fly :-)

[outsider]

Quote: Zaurbek

Were they sold to Israel without STEALTH coverage? Why are they green?

- When did they turn green??
https://militaryedge.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/
05/f-35i_israel_3-960x400.jpg

[Sanny]

The expert said, and good! And we are shaking our heads! If we don’t see it yet, we’ll fix it and improve it!

[Season]

The S-300 will shoot down Chinese guns by smell. They smell bad.

[outsider]

Quote: Irina Shamray

...And what, “Russian samples” of air defense missile systems radars of the 300/400 series already not equipped with AFAR?

- No, darling, they are equipped ПPAR, passive phased array antennas...

[outsider]

Quote: Seaslon

The S-300 will shoot down Chinese guns by smell. They smell bad.

- Rewind your foot wraps, “fragrant one.”

[George Koval]

Let them try to go to Khmeimim, then we’ll find out whether they see it or not!

[Berkut24]

If a stealth aircraft was detected, Russian anti-aircraft gunners would immediately transmit the relevant information to the air defense of Syria and Iran, which covered the attacked objects, but this did not happen.

Oh, these experts.
1) Coordinates for targeting weapons can only be transmitted within the framework of a unified automated control system, which does not include Iranian air defense systems. Otherwise, just call on the phone and say “it’s gone to yours.”
2) Iran helps us in Syria as much as it hinders us. After the ground operation, in an amicable way, the Iranians must leave (it is not yet known which of us and Iran has more influence on Assad). But this will not happen, because... they are hell-bent on destroying Israel. Therefore, I think that our people do not mind if someone else asks for us to leave the Iranians from Syria, maybe even with the help of aviation.
3) Question to the expert for backfilling: Well, let’s say the S-300 was not seen or simply did not reach the firing range. Why did the S-400 also remain silent, although its scanning range and range allow it to be done? Why did the naval group remain silent? Is it because Israel's actions in our interests do not interfere with us?
4) Or maybe it is beneficial for us for Israel to show its aggression in order to use it politically in the future?

[Borders]

Now let's listen to the head of the transport department - who is the conspiracy theorist on duty here :)?

[KoluaN]

"Ixperds" they know everything!)

[Pacifist]

He also admits that the F-35I Adir could invade Iranian airspace

What is the range of the F-35? The F-35I modification, based on the F-35A, has a stated maximum range of 2200.
According to the most optimistic calculations, in a straight line, without complicating factors, to Iran 1200. That is. even assuming that they didn’t do anything there, but only flew to the border, they are already short of flight. Those. either PTB or refueling. Even taking into account fairy tales, you can forget about stealth with a PTB, and with refueling too.
Continue to believe PM and fairy tales for internal consumption, to increase sales of the most expensive van der waffle in the universe.

[Scalpel]

Where did you get that picture from the PTB?