Israel announces first combat use of F-35

Today on the "Military Review" published material on the statements of the Israeli Air Force commander, Major General Amikam Norkina about strikes on the territory of Syria. According to Norkin, Israeli planes attacked Iranian forces in the SAR, which launched "dozens of missiles."

After some time, the Israeli media, citing the same major general, published materials in which it was stated that during air attacks against ground targets, the X-Numx generation F-5 was used for the first time. According to Amikam Norkin, Israel is becoming the first country in the world to use American-made F-35 aircraft to attack ground targets. And these objects, according to Israeli sources, were the anti-aircraft missile systems of Iranian and pro-Iranian forces in Syria, including Al-Quds.

According to the commander of the Israeli Air Force, one of the locations of Al-Quds in Syria was the T-4 airfield, which, as is well known, was previously subjected to air strikes. At the same time, initially, in Israel, the delivery of those attacks did not comment on how they refused to comment, and whether the Israeli air force had against them or not. Now the commander of the Israeli Air Force map reveals.

Norkin said that F-35, which received the name "Adir" in Israel, was used against Iranian facilities in Syria twice.

Details of the use of the F-35 are not given, but it is added that the use of these aircraft “significantly increases the ability to use funds aviation of another type. " Probably, the F-35 could be used, including for the suppression of air defense systems located on Syrian territory.

For reference: currently in the Israeli Air Force in service are nine F-35. The readiness to use them in combat was announced last year.

Comments

[Hire]

It would be surprising if they did not try to use the F-35 in Syria. The question is how they used it.

[hrych]

Quote: Hire

The question is how they used it.

I hope the credibility of the creator of a wonderful and reliable car of a potential enemy is beyond doubt

[Abu Dawood]

By tradition, the first combat use of the F-15 and F-16 was also in our Air Force. In the meantime, we are waiting for the decision of our Air Force and the government on the purchase of the next squadron. Either F-35 or F-15 Silent Eagle

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Abu Daud

By tradition, the first combat use of the F-15 and F-16 was also in our Air Force. In the meantime, we are waiting for the decision of our Air Force and the government on the purchase of the next squadron. Either F-35 or F-15 Silent Eagle

It seems that they lobbied F-15. I personally am terribly not happy with this decision, although no one asked me, of course, but apparently due to the fact that the F-15C / D is already breathing for cancellation, the Air Force needs a second squadron of the KR carrier with special ammunition. So until 2023 of the year we get 50 F-35, then 25 F-15SI, well, we won’t see 100 F-35 in the ranks before 2030.

[the most important]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

So until 2023 we get 50 F-35, then 25 F-15SI, well, 100 F-35 in the ranks we can’t see before 2030.

We must before! push on the master let him betray more. And your budget will pull to serve so much? I was just in shock when I saw fruit prices in Israel 3-5 times more expensive than in Siberia! Despite the fact that today, even the trees have not blossomed. And you have already ripened a lot.

[high]

You compare salaries .... how many times the salary in Israel is higher than in Russia ...

[Mayor]

All OK. Places to know. I personally have tangerines, lemons, dates growing in the garden. And oranges once a week from a neighbor for free (whimsical, do not grow) on barbecue .. The truth is that the dates are no longer in the garden, but on the street .. The wife says, plant, worse than bird cherry.

[voyaka uh]

Not just cruise missiles. It’s easier to carry heavy concrete bombs on the F-15 Strike Eagle than on the F-35. So the reason for purchasing additional. F-15 is. 50 pieces of F-35 will be enough for the next 10 years.

[novel66]

KR with special ammunition.

??? Jews, keep yourself in control, you are not a nuclear power!

[Vadivak]

Quote: novel xnumx

Jews, keep yourself in control, you are not a nuclear power!

This is your subjective opinion.

[Abu Dawood]

The purchase of the F-15 also has its own reason. After the F-35 suppress anti-aircraft defense, the F-15 will be of more use due to the greater combat load and a larger radius of action. And most of all I am worried about the upcoming delivery of Turkey F-35

[kupitman]

Do not worry, Turkey is an ally for the USA, Israel is an ally for the USA. Until your master allows you, you won’t have to fight.

[Hariton laptev]

Well, it’s like asking a big gentleman. Rather, how to stand. Well, don’t be upset, they will show you how and where.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

then 25 F-15SI

The abbreviation is most likely not Silent needles, but type S Israeli?

[the most important]

Quote: Abu Daud

In the meantime, we are waiting for the decision of our Air Force and the government on the purchase of the next squadron

Buy it! And we are waiting for the antediluvian C-200 or MIG-21 to dump this miracle in the middle of the desert.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: the most important

Quote: Abu Daud

In the meantime, we are waiting for the decision of our Air Force and the government on the purchase of the next squadron

Buy it! And we are waiting for the antediluvian C-200 or MIG-21 to dump this miracle in the middle of the desert.

It may well be. "Junkers" shot down from rifles. So nothing is impossible.

[the most important]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

It may well be. "Junkers" shot down from rifles. So nothing is impossible

Why then pay three times? For me, the best security is friendly neighbors. Is it not cheaper to negotiate with Assad, support him even if only in words and get peace?

[abvgdeika]

Stunned ..... Negotiate with Kiev .....

[SEER]

Quote: abvgdeika

Stunned ..... Negotiate with Kiev .....

with whom to negotiate there?

"Glory to Bandera" does not hurt you?
or swastika?
or a cake to a high-ranking official of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry within the walls of the same Ukrainian Foreign Ministry with the sincere inscription "60 years of Mine Kapp"?
Or again did not notice?

[abvgdeika]

Read previous comments ...

[abvgdeika]

Why do we then offer Assad to negotiate ?????

[22 dmdc]

And what are these better? But we don’t know exactly who is training with whom - the surnames seem to be the same.

[-Pollux]

Quote: abvgdeika

Stunned ..... Negotiate with Kiev .....

Sooner or later you have to agree. And if it’s too early for Kiev and me, then it’s already very late for you and Damascus. Moreover, if we have non-contractual Kiev, then in your case non-contractual - Tel Aviv.

[abvgdeika]

Assad is not a tenant. The Sunnis will never forgive him. Nothing to talk about with him

[-Pollux]

Quote: abvgdeika

Assad is not a tenant. The Sunnis will never forgive him. Nothing to talk about with him

All this is a type of "religious" conflict - your invention, a conflict with the United States, they do not forgive.

[abvgdeika]

History will judge ...... I can not give evidence. And the United States forgave Japan. It is a fact. So you do not set off .....

[sapporo1959]

For almost five years I have already heard that he is not a tenant, and he has recently been unprotected in Sochi .. So, we won’t be so excited about who your tenant is there and who is your tenant ..

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Abu Daud

By tradition, the first combat use of the F-15 and F-16 was also in our Air Force. In the meantime, we are waiting for the decision of our Air Force and the government on the purchase of the next squadron. Either F-35 or F-15 Silent Eagle

I wish you success in purchasing the F-35. You praise him so much that it would be logical to buy them!

[Tomato]

Can I link to the original?

[hrych]

Quote: Tomatoes

Can I link to the original?

And you can without

[Tomato]

Can. Gentlemen take my word for it.

[YELLOWSTONE]

type F-35 is a turkey or F-35 IS A LEMON PIERRE SPREY on YouTube and you will have your Baltic happiness

[Tomato]

It is a pity that in Canada they only read Canadian - "Pierre Sprey left the Pentagon in 1971, continuing to consult on." It would be better to invite the Wright brothers as experts.

There are funny comments under the video, sorry not in Canadian. And the show itself delivers. Serious transmission.
PS Your cues are too complicated for me. If not difficult, talk to someone else.

[YELLOWSTONE]

after that, he didn’t understand less on airplanes and it was very difficult to leave remarks for you Canada this happiness with the F-35 did not lean on
You certainly didn’t watch the video and immediately got into the comments

[G A_2]

Quote: hrych

Quote: Hire

The question is how they used it.

I hope the credibility of the creator of a wonderful and reliable car of a potential enemy is beyond doubt

The credibility of Spray is not in doubt. It is doubtful that he generally said these words.

[hrych]

Quote: G A_2

The credibility of Spray is not in doubt. It is doubtful that he generally said these words.

He had in mind the frail TTX of this unit even against the Mig-21. F-16 was created specifically against the Mig-21 and therefore a person knows what he is talking about. Yes, take the speed from Miga 2230 km / h, and from the gun 1930 300 km / h. Imagine being overtaken as a standing one at a speed of XNUMX km / h. Practical ceiling is higher at Miga, rate of climb also. One hope for invisibility remains.

[abvgdeika]

Keep comparing TTX ...... From Wikipedia heh heh

[hrych]

Quote: abvgdeika

Keep comparing TTX ...... From Wikipedia heh heh

So what? You can’t? Or do you have secret data on hand, where does the fly fly to hypersound? Your remark is strange. If they themselves declared such an insignificant TTX.

[abvgdeika]

There is no dog fighting for a long time .... The integrated approach wins. We proved it practically ....

[hrych]

Quote: abvgdeika

The integrated approach wins. We proved it practically ....

You proved a capsule and not all

[abvgdeika]

Great answer !!!! You set off !!!!!

[hrych]

Quote: abvgdeika

Great answer !!!! You set off !!!!!

Thank you

[abvgdeika]

You're welcome

[Yura]

Quote: hrych

You proved

Do you know Chuvash?

[hrych]

Quote: Jura

Do you know Chuvash?

Quote: Jura

Quote: hrych

You proved

Do you know Chuvash?

No

[Hariton laptev]

What and to whom did you prove ??? On the jackals from around the corner to throw missiles ?? And weakly on a peasant, openly prove his innocence to go out and with an open visor enter the sky of Syria and here already show at gunpoint who is what for ?? And so far, more than a small dirty trick from the corner do not channel.

[abvgdeika]

Burn ischo tovarisch !!!!!! Setoff !!!!!!

[AUL]

Khariton, on "weakO" and first-graders are not conducted! And the Jews, even more so.

[-Pollux]

Quote: abvgdeika

Burn ischo tovarisch !!!!!! Setoff !!!!!!

Khariton may have expressed everything in a childish way, but in essence he is right. On the F-35, it is good to carry out special operations, somewhere on enemy territory. But what if you are attacked? What if there is no way to evade the fight, if you need to fight as hard as it was in the seventy-third? Or do you, like the Germans, write out an order - do not enter into melee with the Russians?

[Scalpel]

This almost never happens in modern warfare. Almost all battles take place at altitudes of up to 10 km and in subsonic. Here is the maximum speed for a modern 4th generation aircraft may be 2500 km / h, but it is in a straight line, at high altitude, and with a minimum of weapons. You won’t dodge a rocket, you won’t strike an exact blow on the ground. It is relevant only for scouts (unmanned aerial vehicles have squeezed here, though) and for nuclear weapons carriers who do not care about accuracy (it’s more efficient to use a missile here).

[G A_2]

Quote: Hariton Laptev

What and to whom did you prove ??? On the jackals from around the corner to throw missiles ?? And weakly on a peasant, openly prove his innocence to go out and with an open visor enter the sky of Syria and here already show at gunpoint who is what for ?? And so far, more than a small dirty trick from the corner do not channel.

Not "jackal" is to open the flashlight in the air and fight pistols

[abvgdeika]

Plus !!!!!!!

[G A_2]

Quote: abvgdeika

Plus !!!!!!!

Yes, just the children do not understand that war is not a knightly duel. Any country should and must use its technical and technological superiority to carry out the task with minimal losses. Well, they’ll understand the children.

[SEER]

Quote: abvgdeika

Plus !!!!!!!

Who would doubt that.

[Antares]

Quote: G A_2

Not "jackal" is to open the flashlight in the air and fight pistols

and seconds? And the challenge and the right to choose a weapon ... Maybe the opponent in another plane with swords wanted? Or on fists.
And the glove? ..
Well, not chivalrous ...

[22 dmdc]

Do you personally prefer to resolve all issues in court?

[Yura]

Quote: Hariton Laptev

And weakly on peasant openly prove his innocence to go out and with an open visor

So they would have to hit Iran, but the gut is thin. Right now they will begin to tell how they twirled it.

[YELLOWSTONE]

Quote: G A_2

its technical and technological superiority

there are primarily tactical launches because of the Lebanese mountains as because of the angle from the radar shadow outside the Syrian radar field of the Arabs, so the Israeli planes that do this are safe

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Hariton Laptev

What and to whom did you prove ??? On the jackals from around the corner to throw missiles ?? And weakly on a peasant, openly prove his innocence to go out and with an open visor enter the sky of Syria and here already show at gunpoint who is what for ??

this is what your ideal of war looks like.

And weakly on peasant openly prove his innocence

Do not tell in the morning, romantic.

this is what a war looks like in your ideal

[Hariton laptev]

But you have ideals to seize foreign territories, destroy Arabs and launch missile strikes so that you wouldn’t get an answer, and at the same time shout about the Holocaust at every corner.

[farcop]

Quote: Hariton Laptev

But you have ideals to seize foreign territories, destroy Arabs and launch missile strikes so that you wouldn’t get an answer, and at the same time shout about the Holocaust at every corner.

What do you care? screaming hots? shout and you. And as for foreign territories, you have captured more, but the log in the eye does not interfere? And you killed Arabs much more than Israel.

[farcop]

Quote: Hariton Laptev

And it’s weakly peasant to openly prove his innocence to go out and enter the sky of Syria with an open visor and here already show who is what

Here's how you and Darts on Lada will go to ISIS to visit, so we'll see.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: abvgdeika

Keep comparing TTX ...... From Wikipedia heh heh

Pleased with your comment! Vika sometimes does not lie, as in this case! And in your "hehe" you hear dull notes!

[kupitman]

Well, avionics and weapons are still better with f35. He’ll see before, he’ll hit before.

[hrych]

Quote: kupitman

Well, avionics and weapons are still better with f35. He’ll see before, he’ll hit before.

No, it’s not much better, now they are installing the Spear radar on the upgraded Mig-21, which turns this device into a 4th-generation aircraft and allows the use of modern air-to-air missiles with a range of up to 110 km, which is not inferior to similar ones on the f-35, accompanying 8 targets and attacking two at the same time. Do not forget that the f-35 stealth and its radar should not use, hoping for external target designation. F-35 radar is certainly more advanced, can accompany 100 targets, and at the same time fire 20, but in a duel this is of little importance. The range and speed of air-to-air missiles are almost the same, and all else being equal, the Mig’s flight advantages become decisive.

[tracer]

I did not know that the 21st moment was still being upgraded .. But what? Probably a lot of them riveted in due time. if you have stocks you need to upgrade.

[hrych]

Hindus use them, etc. Our specialists continue maintenance and modernization.

[nikoliski]

Well, that’s why now Indians are 5th generation! they have these MiG-21s like dirt, they’ll fight on them! (sarcasm), but in reality the battle is f35 and Mig21, it’s like a helkat standing in a bush under a maskset, on which Q-1 is slowly crawling through the desert (of course Mig- 21-it’s Kv-1 from the example, can destroy the helkat-which f35, but only he will die before he can detect it and the all-new AFAR f35 allows you to irradiate targets with a weak scattered signal (which then is collected in a single computer) the signal is difficult to detect, unlike the Spear radar, so f35 will see and shoot earlier and how it will win in a cowboy duel (if it weren’t for that, why all the dances with tambourines around the Su-57, what for these technologies, let's start releasing Mig 21 back and all the hats (sorry missiles with a range of 110 km) toss

[-Pollux]

Quote: nikoliski

so f35 will see and shoot earlier and how he will win in a cowboy fight

But war is not a duel.

[hrych]

Fushka doesn’t turn on his radar, it’s an invisible type, it should not shine. He uses external target designation and why you refuse the Mig-21. Serbs with the radar turned off and in radio silence mode thus won several victories.

[AUL]

F-35 radar is certainly more advanced, can accompany 100 targets, and at the same time fire 20,

But what, he has something to shell 20 targets? Guided missiles? He will carry on so much!

[hrych]

Therefore, in a duel, these opportunities are redundant. In fact, tracking 8 goals and simultaneous attack 2 is quite enough for Miga to win.

[Mimoprohodil]

Are you going to spear F-35 look? These are very poor characteristics.

Target detection range with EPR = 5 sq.m: in the free space towards - 57 km

. The F-35 has a radar with a longer detection range of 3-4 times. Yes, the F-35 and the radar do not need to be turned on, it will do well with its OLS

[hrych]

Quote: Mimoprohodil

Are you going to spear F-35 look? These are very poor characteristics.

Why do you refuse Migu in external target designation? From ground-based radars, from AWACS aircraft, or pointing an aircraft with an IRBIS-type radar, this device can be guided or where ...

[mvg]

now on the upgraded Mig-21 put radar "Spear"

Well, really praised .... F-35 this gizmo will detect 5 km, look at its characteristics. Which you incorrectly drew. This is the weight for the Su-25, it will do. From the series, how to make candy out of covn.

[hrych]

Not everything is clear, the F-35 to be invisible must stupidly turn off its radar. Mig can also do with external guidance. Here again decide TTX. F-35 can be with the radar turned off because this is his element, and the Mig with the Mig turned on and here it turns out to be even more sighted. There are enough options, where flight performance becomes the determining factor.

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: hrych

F-35 can be with the radar turned off because this is his element, and the Mig with the Mig on and here it turns out to be even more sighted

The F-35 has an AN / AAQ-37 OLS. In any case, it will be more sighted than the MiG-21

[-Pollux]

Quote: kupitman

Well, avionics and weapons are still better with f35. He’ll see before, he’ll hit before.

This is if one on one in a hypothetical vacuum. But if for example you are defending what to do?

[G A_2]

Quote: hrych

Quote: G A_2

The credibility of Spray is not in doubt. It is doubtful that he generally said these words.

He had in mind the frail TTX of this unit even against the Mig-21. F-16 was created specifically against the Mig-21 and therefore a person knows what he is talking about. Yes, take the speed from Miga 2230 km / h, and from the gun 1930 300 km / h. Imagine being overtaken as a standing one at a speed of XNUMX km / h. Practical ceiling is higher at Miga, rate of climb also. One hope for invisibility remains.

So he spoke specifically the words that in the picture about "torn to pieces ..."? Or is it a fake from any rush of people?

[YELLOWSTONE]

specifically there is a video on any YouTube where he said it

[G A_2]

Quote: YELLOWSTONE

specifically there is a video on any YouTube where he said it

I looked. The spray says nothing about tearing to pieces ...

[YELLOWSTONE]

and what does he say? what is f-35 turkey or lemon? what do they do?

[G A_2]

Quote: YELLOWSTONE

and what does he say? what is f-35 turkey or lemon? what do they do?

Quote on the picture posted by Hrych, fake and lies

[YELLOWSTONE]

Well, yes, it was all said in English

[G A_2]

Quote: YELLOWSTONE

Well, yes, it was all said in English

Subtitles with translation to help. It is enough to understand that the spray did not pronounce these words

[YELLOWSTONE]

maybe the wrong video, or the wrong subtitles?

[G A_2]

Quote: YELLOWSTONE

maybe the wrong video, or the wrong subtitles?

I looked different. Poke your nose and take your words about fake and lies away

[YELLOWSTONE]

here's a similar "MiG-21 or Mirage will be swept away"
https://youtu.be/mxDSiwqM2nw?t=230

[G A_2]

Quote: YELLOWSTONE

here's a similar "MiG-21 or Mirage will be swept away"
https://youtu.be/mxDSiwqM2nw?t=230

Similar does not count. I watched this video.
Quote from the fake picture

[YELLOWSTONE]

"looked" is not considered, or until that moment did not finish, otherwise I would understand
quote is equivalent
right about the "antique" MiG-21 and the new Su-27, etc. he also spoke in others

[YELLOWSTONE]

maybe later in this

[G A_2]

Quote: YELLOWSTONE

"looked" is not considered, or until that moment did not finish, otherwise I would understand
quote is equivalent
right about the "antique" MiG-21 and the new Su-27, etc. he also spoke in others

Once again according to the syllables for the stubborn. Quotes from the picture do not exist

[YELLOWSTONE]

exists, and there is nothing to rest on from despair, in a slightly abridged form you had a link to it, then look for it yourself
in the Pentagon, this aircraft has long been renamed a light bomber

[TAMBU]

F-16 was created specifically against the Mig-21 ... made a reservation or do you really think that under 21?)

[YELLOWSTONE]

higher at the tomato already immediately causes how to find a video with these his words there was

[Ziksura]

Quote: G A_2

The credibility of Spray is not in doubt. It is doubtful that he generally said these words.

And here is my opinion. The opinion of a person, even without "AFFFFority", is for you, but this is the nuance .... I have long been anxious to expect that Israel will REALLY effectively use the F-35 in Syria, together with the United States (or you can handle it yourself), photograph the fact of application so that not even the most complete skeptic will have doubts about the super-efficiency of the F-35. Actually, this led me to this page (albeit belatedly, the blockage was at work). But .... Again, nothing !!!! From the word "AT ALL !!!!" But after such a “movie”, the Russian agro-industrial complex will only have to wipe away tears, hide its eyes to Putin, and potential buyers on their knees would beg the United States to sell them this MIRACLE PLANE. Yes, if this plane was at least partially REALLY the same as you describe it, then this would have happened a long time ago. So the Turks shot down Sushka, and so what? War?! So what are we afraid of except SHAME? But if Russia succeeds, it will not take long to wash off such a shame. And immediately a new arms race, into which Russia is now simply dreaming of drawing into. And then there will be no other way out. Or surrender. EVERYTHING IS OBVIOUS. But ... NOT VISIBLE. Probably the F-35 is really SUPERNER. Or bullshit. By logic .....

[Mayor]

I do not think that the IDF needs PR. Read on the net a chronicle of attacks on Iranian bases in recent months and about the oddities in the actions of air defense .... So there is a lot of incomprehensible things.

[Ziksura]

Quote: Mayr

that IDF needs PR

First of all, for the USA. I have already described the possible dividends with success. And the psychological effect on probable opponents is necessary for ANY army of the world.

[nikoliski]

When the “invincible” is knocked down, the psychological “effect” will exceed all expectations — a lot of countries will refuse to buy f35, it’s not for nothing that the main Jew went to Putin on May 9 and laid wreaths with a St. George ribbon, he implored not to touch the Jews with our S-400, promising peace , labor, friendship forever.

[Black_Vatnik]

It is unfortunate that ours have refused (so far) the idea of ​​putting “Favorites” in the SAR. Shoot down all the "democratic" to such a mother.

[hrych]

Quote: Black_Jacket

It is unfortunate that ours have refused (so far) the idea of ​​putting “Favorites” in the SAR. Shoot down all the "democratic" to such a mother.

No, not sorry. Syria is our dominion, we do not need Iranians here. We’d like it, they didn’t deliver it, but stupidly deployed the S-400 at this base of the Quds forces, the time has come for the Iranians to get out. And with the hands of the Israelites, our conscience is clear. And quite rightly noticed:

Quote: impostor

But does Norkin admit that the chosen ones are the first country to lose Fu-35?

[Dym71]

Quote: hrych

Syria is our dominion

What is this punishment for us?

[Black_Vatnik]

The Iranians will be removed, and who, instead of them, will pawn around the deserts and run around the cities? Iran is our strategic partner, one of the very few on this planet. Let it be too ambitious and painfully obstinate. But the worst thing we can do now is also to quarrel with Iran. Moreover, nothing has ended in Syria.

And with the hands of the Israelites, our conscience is clear.

I think you do not need an explanation from the torso of which country the hands of the Israelites grow.

[hrych]

Quote: Black_Jacket

But the worst thing we can do now is also to quarrel with Iran.

We do not swear. We just do nothing.

[Black_Vatnik]

I’ll ask a rhetorical question. If you and I understand for what purpose "we are not doing anything," does Tehran understand this? I think he understands even better than us.

[hrych]

Quote: Black_Jacket

Does Tehran understand this?

We have certain agreements with the Iranians, which we strictly implement. They cannot demand more from us. There was no agreement solely to protect their interests. There was a joint salvation of the Syrian state and its ruling dynasty, further on their own. And so we are building nuclear power plants to Iran, given complexes to protect our territory, we will still cooperate, but to fight for them is excluded. And the Iranian ideology is no better for us than the Israeli one. Let me remind you that we are not at war with Israel. Ento only Professor and Co. are fighting with us here, and Benya is hanging around Putin a couple of times a month, maybe for a free snack

[CAT BAIYUN]

Ento only Professor and Co. are fighting with us here,

It doesn’t look like a war ... Rather, they are promoting the defense industry products .. Moonlighting

[flicker]

we can do now - also quarrel with Iran. Moreover, nothing has ended in Syria.

Exactly, it did not end. And therefore, we do not need plus the war of Iran and Israel in Syria, just as the Syrians do not need it, and the Iranians (if Israel wants to fight with Iran, then let it fight in the territories of Israel and Iran). But the complexity of the situation is that Israel can strike at Iran in Syria, and Iran can not strike at Israel in Syria. Iran can respond only through the territory of Israel, and this will be regarded as Iran’s aggression against Israel. Israel uses it ... while it uses it.

[kapitan92]

Quote: hrych

No, not sorry. Syria is our dominion, we do not need Iranians here

I agree with you! One thing is the fight against the "spirits", where the Iranian "guards" and volunteers showed themselves very well. Another thing is the deployed base of Iranians with their air defense on Syrian territory. In fact, they provoke Israel! Does Syria need this for us?

[hrych]

Quote: kapitan92

Another thing is the deployed base of the Iranians with their air defense on Syrian territory.

The dream of the Iranians is the base of the Navy in the Mediterranean, but our Syrian shelf. It is clear that Iran also wants to reduce the flight time of its missiles. Why do we need this? To erase Israel, we have something without Iran. Hezbollah is also at stake and a position in Lebanon. Why should we give the Kudsians this highly recommended organization. Let our Bashar rule her quietly. The time will come and the S-300 will be installed on the Lebanese mountains. Then we'll see. Let the Kudsavites concentrate on Yemen and other Arabian tyrannies.

[kapitan92]

Quote: hrych

it is clear that Iran also wants to reduce the flight time of its missiles. Why do we need this?

There is an interesting "tangle". Israel, in turn, has strengthened both military and financial support for a number of moderate Syrian opposition groups, and seven factions of the Free Syrian Army, operating in the south, took help from the Jewish state.
There is every reason to fear for the fate of the south-west of Syria. On the one hand, the southwestern de-escalation zone still remains more or less calm, despite the bombing of a number of targets in Deraa. Jordan itself plays a large role in this, because, according to some reports, representatives of its law enforcement agencies have long begun a dialogue with the intelligence of the Syrian regime. On the other hand, Iran, through the creation of various units, maintains its presence in the southwestern de-escalation zone and, moreover, increases it. There is a high risk that the Israel-Iran confrontation will result in an aggravation in the southern regions of Syria and the breakdown of the “Amman agreements” of the Russian Federation, USA and Jordan.
In any case, the strengthening of Iran in the south and south-west of Syria is harmful to Assad and to us. If this is not a "big game" !!!

[kupitman]

While ours did not intervene, they did not show anything. Iranian advisers guaranteed so much that by the fall of 2015, Assad was on the verge of death.

[TAMBU]

Syria is our dominion ... in the format of a unipolar world it sounds ...

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

After the destruction of the shell, in my opinion with 300, the Arabs will also fall in love.

[1 Navigator]

Anyway, you slapped a bitch. And so it has always been that do not give them everything in tar tarara

[milling machine]

Quote: Black_Jacket

It is unfortunate that ours have refused (so far) the idea of ​​putting “Favorites” in the SAR. Shoot down all the "democratic" to such a mother.

So maybe they refused, just because they were afraid that Israel would destroy them, and then the whole myth of the S-kahs will be debunked.

[Shrpv]

Su-24 perfectly drive fighters into the ground. So they are super 8th generation? It is necessary to look at what enemy. I would have tried against Somalia. A worthy adversary of the nuclear power of Israel.

[Aaron Zawi]

Well applied and applied. Already not news.

[Dym71]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well applied and applied. Already not news.

And this is how the conversation will go wrong, if he finds a scythe on a stone, then we can not calm down by night!

[sabakina]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Well applied and applied. Already not news.

Aron explain this pattern to me. Why are the Jews on our site adequate every other day?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: sabakina

Aron explain this pattern to me. Why are the Jews on our site adequate every other day?

It's hot with us. Brains from the heat are boiling.

[Dym71]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

It's hot with us. Brains from the heat are boiling.

[sabakina]

Aron, come to us! Our legs are warm, our heads are cold ...

[q75agent]

Yes, he is not needed here, there are enough of them anyway, all sorts of Medvedev dvorkovichs, the list is huge

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: q75agent

Yes, he is not needed here, there are enough of them anyway, all sorts of Medvedev dvorkovichs, the list is huge

But Medvedev, which side is ours? Or is he a Jew like Poroshenko?

[Dym71]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

But Medvedev, which side is ours? Or is he a Jew like Poroshenko?

And full face and profile, on either side yours, like a hydrant, by the way

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Dym71

And full face and profile, on either side yours, like a hydrant, by the way

Did they measure his skull?

[Dym71]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Did they measure his skull?

What for? A Jewish friend of mine taught his father to identify my father.

[abvgdeika]

Do not forget to check yourself, but suddenly !!!!!!

[Dym71]

When someone teaches us life
I am completely dumb;
everyday idiot experience
I have it myself.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Dym71

What for? A Jewish friend of mine taught his father to identify my father.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: q75agent

Yes, he is not needed here, there are enough of them anyway, all sorts of Medvedev dvorkovichs, the list is huge

But Medvedev, which side is ours? Or is he a Jew like Poroshenko?

And he is essentially yours! :)

[Spike Javelin Touvich]

we can throw on mazgan

[nikoliski]

He probably bombed the Iranian copy of the S-300 (no one else)

[hrych]

Quote: nikoliski

He probably bombed the Iranian copy of the S-300 (no one else)

I’m afraid that the Iranian device wasn’t deployed and I’m afraid that the attack provoked the attempt by Quds to deploy his complex.

[nikoliski]

It is quite likely that way (which does not detract from the merit of Tsakhal, since it is necessary to find a mobile air defense system and choose a safe (for your aviation) moment to strike, as it was with a shell)

[kupitman]

The shell was hit by a drone, a "kamikaze", no?

[Scalpel]

No, the Spyke-LR air-to-surface missile.

[YELLOWSTONE]

but who directed her?

[sabakina]

Expand S-300 case of five minutes. There is something else.

[sabakina]

Well, I read this:

However, as the representative of Israel, Amikam Norkin differently emphasizes in his statement. This was told to the correspondent of the Federal News Agency (FAN) by the director of the Institute of Contemporary State Development Dmitry Solonnikov:

“Norkin will take a position in which Israel will no doubt be right, and Israel’s opponents will be represented by terrorists and evil aggressors. He cannot say anything else here. Therefore, there is no wonder. On the other hand, Israel did not and does not hide the fact that it considers the presence of Iran in Syria as an unacceptable factor and will by all means seek the withdrawal of Iranian military formations from Syrian territory by military methods, economic methods, and diplomatic methods. ”

In general ..... I posted it, I didn’t, I didn’t. so, comrades Jews?

[NN52]

Vyacheslav

Hello! So, in principle, the fact that they used Fu 35 is not entirely bad news ...
Aron, in his own way, as if to say ........ does not understand what kind of service Israel has rendered to our military, you can’t imagine any better!
Now this wunderwaffle is not even studied in all aspects, but countermeasures are taught in all departments, for cadets ... In all military universities ...

[sabakina]

Dmitry, Well, the Syrian pilots have already brought them under our radars. Just do not remember exactly who ... F-22 or F-35 ....

[NN52]

Glory ...
F 22 for a long time already ... there is not much about what ...
and F 35, this is a recent gift from Israel to us ... and there’s nothing at all ...
The main thing is that Aron survived such news ...

[G A_2]

Quote: NN52

Glory ...
F 22 for a long time already ... there is not much about what ...
and F 35, this is a recent gift from Israel to us ... and there’s nothing at all ...
The main thing is that Aron survived such news ...

Why is it so mysterious "about anything ... about nothing ..." Chetr? EPR turned out to be big big?

[voyaka uh]

", and methods of counteraction are taught in all departments, for cadets" ////

It `s naturally. In a few years, it will be the most widespread combat aircraft in the world. Whom to study no matter how it is?
In Israel, the F-16 began to be decommissioned and sold out of date. The F-35 will become the workhorse of the Air Force instead of the F-16.
So, study on health.

[NN52]

voyaka uh

And I don’t argue that the F 35 will be the most massive aircraft in the world, but not a combat one .. Trampusha will try if she has time in time ...
We once had a Yak 52 in DOSAAF, too, was the most massive ..
Wait F 16 to CHARGE, SUCCESS ...

[abvgdeika]

Where did modern Russian planes fight ??????

[NN52]

abvgdeika
Just Valera

And what do you mean by the word WAR?
Don’t sleep at school tomorrow?

[abvgdeika]

I don’t even know what to say ..... Do you have Russian native language ??????

[NN52]

Yes, I understood that you have nothing to say, unlike your older and more experienced colleagues in the forum.
Therefore, do not meddle in adult conversations, and you will be calm. Pack your briefcase to school.
And yet .. lastly for you, modern RUSSIAN airplanes are fighting somewhere about 100 km from you ... have you been out of the bomb shelter for a long time to fresh air? Recommend...

[abvgdeika]

They bomb barmaley, they don’t fight. With whom in Syria aviation fight ???? This is a question, try to answer an experienced colleague !!!!!

[SEER]

Quote: abvgdeika

I don’t even know what to say ..... Do you have Russian native language ??????

answer question to question ...

[abvgdeika]

What can you mean by the word WAR ????? Unclear .....

[abvgdeika]

Comments read yes

[G A_2]

Quote: NN52

abvgdeika
Just Valera

And what do you mean by the word WAR?
Don’t sleep at school tomorrow?

Means air fights.

[SEER]

Quote: G A_2

Means air fights.

where so the question was posed?

[G A_2]

Quote: SEER

Quote: G A_2

Means air fights.

where so the question was posed?

Not set. But I do not believe that the respected NN52 did not understand what I mean

[Oleg14774]

Quote: abvgdeika

Where did modern Russian planes fight ??????

Yes, you have one-sided history, and sometimes Russian is lame!

[mvg]

In Sudan, in Yugoslavia. And the Su-27 and MiG-29.

[YELLOWSTONE]

the Yugoslavs did not have and do not have a Su-27, otherwise they would not have done this

[voyaka uh]

"F 35 will be the most massive aircraft in the world, but not combat." ////

You. as far as I understand, a former pilot? I respect you.
But conservatism is inherent in all pilots - what are you used to,
they love it. Our ace number one Giora Epstein, who hit a record
the number of enemy jets, damned F-16 dirty
words, when I had to transfer to him with Kfir (Mirage):
"this is not a plane - but a flying computer, no freedom ..."
Now, when switching from the 4th to the 5th generation, approximately
then the same thing. 4th-generation pilots cannot board the F-35 cockpit
without a special course: a complex helmet in "virtual reality",
long hours "inside the cartoon." Not everyone can stand it.
But after 10 years they won’t understand how they flew the F-16 with its "wretched,
disabilities. "

[NN52]

voyaka uh

With us, when the guys were changing to Su 35, they were only happy about the increased “computerization” of the machine, new color displays, and increased capabilities in all respects. The guys are “in love” with this plane ... Retraining for any type of fighter takes 2 months with a little (theory and a bit of practice), then everything is in the shelves ..
Therefore, with retraining by 57, the guys with Su 35 will not have any difficulties (I miss the moment about the belonging of the F 35 and Su 57 to the 5th generation ... so that there would be no disputes ...) And we have already selected pilots who will conduct military tests in one of the regiments ...
And what will happen in 10 years ... Let's see ... 6-7-10 generation ... or what will be there ...
And a small remark, we say this: "there are no former pilots" ...

[voyaka uh]

"Therefore, with retraining at 57, the guys with Su 35 will have no difficulties" ////

The whole chip of the F-35, that the pilot in a combat situation is not
has the ability to physically see with his eyes. All-all visual
information is processed by the computer in the form of animations and goes only through
helmet monitor. But animations of everything, with the selection of targets for tens of kilometers at 360 degrees.
The pilot does not need and useless to twist his head, look for enemy
fighters. There is no sight. Another thing is that controlling an airplane
simplified to the limit - solid autopilot, even on steep turns.
The pilot is almost 100% focused on weapons and surroundings.
aircraft, including on the ground. This is the main quality “leap” of the fifth generation, and not the aerodynamics of the aircraft.

[NN52]

voyaka uh

I know about the helmet ..
But I treat this device with a great deal of skepticism ...
The failure of one of the sensors or sensors on the surface of the aircraft, and you can return home ...

[Vadivak]

Quote: voyaka uh

The F-35 will become the workhorse of the Air Force instead of the F-16.

She’s not very working for $ 180 million at the price of a thoroughbred horse

[voyaka uh]

Israel first got at a price of 110 million apiece.
The Pentagon is now buying from Lockheed for 85 million units.

[q75agent]

maybe they used it, but apart from the video with the shell, there aren’t any docs about the destruction of other air defense systems and no, here we are waiting .. with all ....

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: q75agent

maybe they used it, but apart from the video with the shell, there aren’t any docs about the destruction of other air defense systems and no, here we are waiting .. with all ....

Turn to the Syrians. I am surprised that ours generally showed something.

[q75agent]

why should I turn, and even to the Syrians, who praise the "kosher" super duper weapon on the VO ... Well, here, and convince us that the SAR air defense is destroyed, some loud statements by some Norkin and HE members from the Jewish side don't believe

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: q75agent

why should I turn, and even to the Syrians, who praise the "kosher" super duper weapon on the VO ... Well, here, and convince us that the SAR air defense is destroyed, some loud statements by some Norkin and HE members from the Jewish side don't believe

What for?

[q75agent]

why why to convince that there was already the first combat use of your child prodigy otherwise it may have taken off, made a circle above the airfield, saw a bird and back to the landing and into the hangar until something happened

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: q75agent

why why to convince that there was already the first combat use of your child prodigy otherwise it may have taken off, made a circle above the airfield, saw a bird and back to the landing and into the hangar until something happened

It seems to me much more important the interest shown in the speech of the commander of the Air Force IDF from the commanders and senior officers of the US Air Force, Italy, Austria, Bulgaria, Germany, Belgium, Brazil, India, Vietnam, Canada, France, Croatia and the United Kingdom and several other countries arriving in Israel on special conference. We only know about what was said in the opening remarks. The closed part of the conference will not be known soon.

[q75agent]

when there is nothing to cover, the national Jewish tradition begins, to shirk and confuse traces with an abundance of printed information

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: q75agent

when there is nothing to cover, the national Jewish tradition begins, to shirk and confuse traces with an abundance of printed information

Looks like you think I owe you something? To pamper? Destruction of the P-14 radar.


There is much that you can find if you wish, but why should I indulge your laziness?

[q75agent]

about the radar and the shell, the Syrians themselves reported as far back as May 10, where the destroyed 4 shell 1s and beeches .... look for google pictures to help only photoshop don't use

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: q75agent

about the radar and the shell, the Syrians themselves reported as far back as May 10, where the destroyed 4 shell 1s and beeches .... look for google pictures to help only photoshop don't use

Do you think the Syrians are idiots? They hid everything that they were able to tow to the pits. Or do you think they will show all their losses on every corner? They don’t have such a habit. They still celebrate victory in the 1973 war of the year.

[YELLOWSTONE]

usually allowed from the central Lebanese mountains from radio shadow and with third-party backlighting or guidance, so stealth is of little use for this
and over your airfield you may need

[2329 Carpenter]

Quote: Hariton Laptev

What and to whom did you prove ??? On the jackals from around the corner to throw missiles ?? And weakly on a peasant, openly prove his innocence to go out and with an open visor enter the sky of Syria and here already show at gunpoint who is what for ?? And so far, more than a small dirty trick from the corner do not channel.

[2329 Carpenter]

Something familiar. The analogy of 41-44, when “Messers” “jackals” soaked “donkeys” with a vertical maneuver, until La-5F and FN, P-39 and Yak-3 appeared ... And peasants openly "in our time it is only possible to show oneself in the breweries in the working outskirts. And in that war with this “open visor,” the people were laid out unmeasured, as is known. Strange pathos, no matter how you look.

[YELLOWSTONE]

well, the knight in general specialized in newcomers coming in for landing and didn’t even enter into battle with them if an unexpected attack fell, and accidentally seeing 12 American escort soldiers over Romania didn’t take the fight and parachuted
P-39 in a vertical maneuver could not

[mvg]

And you surely that you read about the war, did you understand everything?
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/la5f.html
Or just a cheer patriot? P-39 is this a system of linear equations?

[YELLOWSTONE]

this mvg by the way is a big fan of this nazi “knight” ghoul
including romanian episode claimed that they took it in ticks and began to weigh, probably to England or Italy (leaving their bombers at the same time)

[sabakina]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Turn to the Syrians. I am surprised that ours generally showed something.

Foolish !!! So, Aron, it turns out that you got somewhere, but are not sure that you got it at all? An interesting thing ... Jews show an attack on the "Shell", the Syrians are photographing the "Shell" with a camera from the beginning of the 20 century from the wrong side where something arrived .... Oh, this east ....

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: sabakina

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Turn to the Syrians. I am surprised that ours generally showed something.

Foolish !!! So, Aron, it turns out that you got somewhere, but are not sure that you got it at all? An interesting thing ... Jews show an attack on the "Shell", the Syrians are photographing the "Shell" with a camera from the beginning of the 20 century from the wrong side where something arrived .... Oh, this east ....

I’m not at all sure of anything. I know that in our country the army prefers to speak only of what it is sure of the 3 / 4 chance, because if a lie comes up, heads fly without honor to their former merits and zvpniy.

[sabakina]

Well, I’m saying, Aron, they chop heads, and then they sort it out. Joke.

[GABALIS]

According to the commander of the Israeli Air Force, in order to bring down a kosher F-35 you need 100500 Syrian missiles!

[Strips]

Given that the C200 and the beech firing more than 20 missiles were barely able to get into the Israeli plane, it was not a direct hit, and the pilot and navigator survived. And as it turned out, after the investigation - the pilots made mistakes and the C200 rocket miraculously hit the Israeli plane, then they will need a lot of them against the F35

Or, for example,

On April 14, 2018, the Syrian government used the S-200 to counter the missile strike of the United States, Britain and France in 2018. Eight missiles were fired, but no targets were hit.

[Aaron Zawi]

There are two cases that, due to the complete lack of reaction of the SAR air defense and the weapons used, are suitable for the use of F-35
9 April SDB strike on the base of Iranian UAVs at Tiyas airfield.

And on April 30, the SDB hit Iranian bases at Neyrab and Salhab.

[Vadim237]

From this bomb, when the warhead was triggered, 93 kilograms would not be left.

[Cossack 471]

Arabs at this time were very busy. were doing namaz

[sabakina]

Aron, how do we know? Maybe the command "do not respond" sounded? If G.K. Zhukov wrote in German newspapers how he would act .... Would Israel exist at all?

[Zubr]

I am sure that our radars managed to shoot his portrait ..

[impostor]

But does Norkin admit that the chosen ones are the first country to lose Fu-35?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: impostor

But does Norkin admit that the chosen ones are the first country to lose Fu-35?

As soon as we lose, we immediately recognize it.

[impostor]

Rather, Mendel admits that he bought a helicopter, and not the institute gave

[vit357]

will be silent as always.

[123456789]

Quote: sabakina

Israel's opponents will be represented by terrorists and evil aggressors

In this case, Israel is in the same trench with the Isil terrorists, and the United States. On the other side of Iran, Syria and Russia

[fortnight]

What does it mean in this case? After all, Judas do not hide their satanic passion for the extermination of foreigners, and this snake ball (micro-shaving, the United States and their irregular army under the auspices of Daesh, Israel) will sooner or later have to unravel Russian civilization.

[Strips]

Quote: vit357

Well, if these f35s are such a super-duper, why do the Yudenes rest on the s-300?)))

If Russia has such good weapons, then why does it rest on NATO near its borders, and even more so the deployment of powerful weapons there?

The answer is simple and obvious - there is no question of whether Israel will endure the C300, and so it will, but it will be more difficult for Israel than usual.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: vit357

Well, if these f35 are such a super-duper, why do the Yudenes rest on the supply of s-300 to Syria?)))

Are you German?

[Yak28]

It was also used well, among the opponents of Israel in the form of some Arab states, such meager aviation, and even in a deplorable state, that the F-16 Jews had enough for the eyes

[q75agent]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

I know that in our country the army prefers to say only what it is sure of by a 3/4 chance, because if a lie comes up, heads fly without honor to previous merits and zpnpiye.

again lies and propaganda the statement "Israel never hid and does not hide its losses. Moreover, scrupulously keeps a list of its victims" does not correspond to reality and is a classic example ... of the pro-Israeli "agitprop". A concrete example is the battle of Karama. Lift the binder for the 22-24 on March 1968, and see the first statement by Israeli Prime Minister L. Eshkol. (I suggest: first, the Israeli Prime Minister officially recognized the losses of the 11 IDF soldiers as killed and 50 wounded, and then the Jordanian side presented the corpses ... how many were there?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: q75agent

again lies and propaganda the statement "Israel never hid and does not hide its losses. Moreover, scrupulously keeps a list of its victims" does not correspond to reality and is a classic example ... of the pro-Israeli "agitprop". A concrete example is the battle of Karama. Lift the binder for the 22-24 on March 1968, and see the first statement by Israeli Prime Minister L. Eshkol. (I suggest: first, the Israeli Prime Minister officially recognized the losses of the 11 IDF soldiers as killed and 50 wounded, and then the Jordanian side presented the corpses ... how many were there?

First, I will not even discuss the axiom. Secondly, what kind of battle is this?

[fortnight]

Living in illusions is fraught with mental disorders, do you need it?

[Strips]

Quote: q75agent

Lift up the press file for March 22-24, 1968, and watch the first statement by Israeli Prime Minister L. Eshkol.

So show us the binder.
Where did you see her?
From what article, book do you have this information?

[vit357]

I am very surprised. The words "I'm losing weight" counted as a mate? However, another question: is the denial of the Holocaust in Russia already prohibited by law?

[Dormidont]

Not yet banned, but not strongly recommended

[vit357]

You will forgive my obsession, but what is the suffering of 100 Jews burned in the ovens of German concentration camps ABOVE than the suffering of 100 Russians burned there?

[22 dmdc]

Naive! "And who are the judges?"

[Manul]

Peaceful Holocaust victims show teeth and take revenge on the whole world. Egypt and Iran are in line. Soon there will be no such countries.

[asv363]

You apparently think that in the same Auschwitz the Egyptians and Iranians led, as well as they served there.

[fortnight]

Sarcasm is the same.

[q75agent]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

First, I will not even discuss the axiom. Secondly, what kind of battle is this?

The battle of Karama took place on March 21 of 1968 in the village of Karama between the Israel Defense Forces and the combined forces of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). Later, the Jordanian army entered the battle against the Israelis. Further yourself

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: q75agent

Quote: Aron Zaavi

First, I will not even discuss the axiom. Secondly, what kind of battle is this?

The battle of Karama took place on March 21 of 1968 in the village of Karama between the Israel Defense Forces and the combined forces of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). Later, the Jordanian army entered the battle against the Israelis. Further yourself

Yeah. I’ll look now. Thanks.
Found . Our losses amounted to 30 killed and 69 wounded soldiers, 4 Centurion tanks, 2 AML-90 armored cars, 2 half-track M3A1 armored personnel carriers and 1 shot down plane.
PS maybe someone doubts that the name of each deceased is included in the names of the dead Israeli soldiers, and the bodies were handed over to families and buried? Can someone imagine that in Israel a family will conceal the loss of a son, husband, father?

[fortnight]

But after all, the losses announced by you are pure change of shoes in the air, before providing photos of the corpses of your bandits, the numbers were different.

[22 dmdc]

Straight Kursk!

[q75agent]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Do you think the Syrians are idiots? They hid everything that they were able to tow to the pits. Or do you think they will show all their losses on every corner? They don’t have such a habit. They still celebrate victory in the 1973 war of the year.

I consider Jewish propaganda a lie

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: q75agent

I consider Jewish propaganda a lie

This is your 100% right.

[Dormidont]

To whom there is reason for pride, and to whom and war crimes

[voyaka uh]

An event takes place in Israel: the 70th anniversary of the creation of the Air Force.
Pilots and military specialists from two dozen countries arrived. They are shown aircraft and systems and are told about combat operations. Show videos and photos. There they talked about the first combat applications of the F-35.
Serious advertising. The line will line up 10 years in advance

[q75agent]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

But Medvedev, which side is ours?

he is your agent of influence in our rear GDP either does not see the obvious or ....

[q75agent]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Yeah. I’ll look now. Thanks.
Found . Our losses amounted to 30 killed and 69 wounded soldiers

I suggest: first, the Israeli Prime Minister officially recognized the loss of 11 IDF soldiers as killed and 50 wounded, and then the Jordanian side presented the corpses ... how many were there? this is to the fact that supposedly your waved and the leaders do not when they do not lie and do not hide losses

[Strips]

Quote: q75agent

first, the Israeli Prime Minister officially recognized the loss of 11 IDF soldiers as killed and 50 wounded,

Where does this information come from? Give a link to the source.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: q75agent

I suggest: first, the Israeli Prime Minister officially recognized the loss of 11 IDF soldiers as killed and 50 wounded, and then the Jordanian side presented the corpses ... how many were there? this is to the fact that supposedly your waved and the leaders do not when they do not lie and do not hide losses

You have been deceived. This could not be. Could be reported missing immediately after the battle. We have a very small country. Nearby are not just fellow countrymen, but classmates. In principle, concealing losses is impossible.

[fortnight]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

In principle, concealing losses is impossible.

It reminds the logic of children in the period of preconceptual thinking: “If I close my eyes and see no one, then no one sees me either”
However, as always, turning everything upside down.

[farcop]

Quote: q75agent

do not hide losses

Well, 50 years ago, maybe it was. Today in the state of Israel this is basically impossible. There are legalized rules on this subject. There is no law of disagreement.

[q75agent]

Quote: voyaka uh

Serious advertising. The line will line up 10 years in advance

well, very serious, your owners will be happy

[q75agent]

Quote: Tiras

Where does this information come from? Give a link to the source.

refer to Aron Zawi, or carefully read all the messages, everything is there

[Strips]

Quote: q75agent

refer to Aron Zawi, or carefully read all the messages, everything is there

Clearly merged.

I asked you for a link to confirm your words, but you could not give anything except for saving pasta from the wiki.

Once again I ask - how do you get information about what Levi Eshkol said?

Maybe this is from the book? Where did the firewood come from?

[abvgdeika]

Here, doctors will not help .......

[q75agent]

you say the medicine is good, you still have a chance

[q75agent]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

In principle, concealing losses is impossible.

but it’s very possible to try to hide them, as they tried to do back in 1968 and about the war in 1982, too, not everything is clear ... yours recognized the loss of only one plane (the pilot was captured), in fact, the losses of Israeli aviation over Soviet estimated
The victories of Syrian aviation over Israeli aircraft are listed in sufficient detail in the works of V. Ilyin (MiG-23 in the Middle East [8] and Multipurpose fighters of foreign countries [9]):

June 7 - shot down two aircraft (both - F-16)
June 8 - Three planes shot down (one F-16, two A-4)
June 9 - six planes shot down (two F-15, two F-16, one F-4, one Kfir)
June 10 - downed ten aircraft (including at least three F-15 and one F-16; the types of the remaining aircraft are not reported)
June 11 - three planes were shot down (all three are F-4s) why should I not believe this data? but only yours ...

[Strips]

Quote: q75agent

actually the loss of israeli aviation according to soviet estimates
The victories of Syrian aviation over Israeli aircraft are listed in sufficient detail in the works of V. Ilyin (“MiG-23 in the Middle East” [8] and “Multipurpose fighters of foreign countries” [

Shame on you?

You copied only a piece from the wiki, but did you specifically forget the most interesting part?

Well, I have not forgotten and will bring it here so that others can understand:

However, V. Ilyin, summing up the work of the Syrian fighter aircraft, reports that she shot down 42 Israeli aircraft in the period under review. Thus, it contradicts both its own list of Syrian victories, cited in two sources, and the data of the chief military adviser in Syria.

[farcop]

Quote: Tiras

Shame on you?

They do not have this, because the proverb about dew.

[Key 32]

But because .. In general, this is what we need to learn from the Jews, and so in this manner of presenting information: “Yes, we flew and we bought. Yes, everything that moves. Yes, that does not move either. Yes, they shot at us. Yes, everyone, even stray dogs. No, no one hit. Yes, there are no losses. What evidence ??? Young man, we are serious people！ ”And then they shoot videos, draw diagrams, calculations .. But who needs it ..

[voyaka uh]

The Americans also did not believe that the Israeli
The Air Force had no casualties in the war with Syria in 1982.
When their specialists arrived in Israel after the war,
for them at the air base put in the ranks of the F-16 and F-15
in order of numbers. So that they check with their
list of supplies and made sure that all planes are present.
Only one F-15 was seriously damaged. To him in the engine nozzle
a rocket flew in, but he reached the base. And he was returned to duty after 2 moves.

[YELLOWSTONE]

and that everyone climbed like a traffic police and checked?

[Business trip]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well applied and applied. Already not news.

Dear, I’m interested in the issue of secrecy of EPR F-35. Do they fly with Luneberg lenses or not? If with lenses, what kind of anti-aircraft defense can be. If without them, then the issue of EPR F-35 has already been removed by ours from the agenda. Enlighten if in the know

[voyaka uh]

Russian Defense Ministry considered that in an attack on Iranian bases it took
28 aircraft involved. F-15 and F-16. About the F-35 was not said.
But they bombed, not from Lebanon. So guess, were
lenses or not.

[YELLOWSTONE]

you apparently didn’t read the Americans themselves that stealth on the F-35 is needed only to make it difficult to aim long-range missiles at it

[q75agent]

Quote: Tiras

Clearly merged.
I asked you for a link to confirm your words, but you could not give anything except for saving pasta from the wiki.
Once again I ask - how do you get information about what Levi Eshkol said?
Maybe this is from the book? Where did the firewood come from?

I don’t have such a habit, Lift up the press file for March 22-24, 1968, and see the first statement of the Israeli Prime Minister L. Eshkol. PS and you are still a lazy Troll, but I wrote for good, read the previous dialogue with your Aron Zawi or contact him

[Strips]

Quote: q75agent

Lift up the press file for March 22-24, 1968, and watch the first statement by Israeli Prime Minister L. Eshkol.

That is, you cannot answer for your words, and instead of proving your words, you send me to look for a binder for 1968

You, as I understand it, do not read in Hebrew and did not see this firmware in the eye.

Quote: q75agent

PS and you are still a lazy Troll, but I wrote for good, read the previous dialogue with your Aron Zawi or contact him

It turns out that you are just a lazy troll, because you can’t answer for your words, and when you are asked to confirm your words, send to look for a binder.

[_Ugene_]

They announced their first combat use, and how many conversations there were from our Israeli friends that they have long fought in full and quietly circled the earth and attack everyone, just nobody sees them

[abvgdeika]

Well, they didn’t say when .... Yes, and not one was shot down yet

[q75agent]

Quote: Tiras

Well, I have not forgotten and will bring it here so that others can understand:

then add all the opinions of all experts, there are a lot of things in the article or, which is not profitable, I don’t want to publish 1 they lost, but how do we believe in the invincible and terrible .....

[Strips]

So it’s because you selectively started issuing data from the wiki, hiding that Ilyin’s data cannot be considered reliable, trying to pass them off as at least reliable.

[voyaka uh]

Ilyin's data is pure fantasy.
Do not argue with q75agent - it is a fluder.

[YELLOWSTONE]

yes let them argue with each other

[abvgdeika]

Quote: Dym71

When someone teaches us life
I am completely dumb;
everyday idiot experience
I have it myself.

Well that you recognize ......

[Dym71]

This quatrain is much deeper than it seems at first glance, it must be felt

[abvgdeika]

Just friendly advice .....

[q75agent]

Quote: Tiras

It turns out that you are just a lazy troll, because you can’t answer for your words, and when you are asked to confirm your words, send to look for a binder.

I would love to send ... but censorship, I don’t want to communicate with a stupid troll here your Aron is a normal interlocutor, even a little I went too far in dealing with him, well, we can still have the opportunity to apologize, but not for everything and talking to you like drunk with the radio ... you are not interested not a bit .... Adjus amigo

[Strips]

I showed above that you distort the data, giving them partially and that you can not confirm your words.
Therefore, you have such a reaction - you were taken to clean water everywhere.

[abvgdeika]

Yes, just no one at home !!!!!!

[q75agent]

Quote: Tiras

I showed above that you distort the data, giving them partially and that you can not confirm your words.
Therefore, you have such a reaction - you were taken to clean water everywhere.

for the whole article, you are the first to throw a complaint, there are various estimates of various experts about the losses of the Israeli air force, who are interested in reading it yourself and not about what kind of conclusion "to clean water" the Internet is, you just have to sit here and look for a binder of your newspapers for 1968 year

[abvgdeika]

Who won the wars ???? You can fight and lose !!!!!

[kupitman]

In short, I read komenty, I realized Israel won all. Hooray comrades!

[abvgdeika]

But isn’t that so far ?????

[SEER]

Quote: abvgdeika

Why do we then offer Assad to negotiate ?????

Assad, unlike Poroshenko sane people.

[abvgdeika]

He is a radish, and does not want to negotiate ....

[abvgdeika]

Yes, not us, but he. He was offered, he did not want. And now there’s no one with Syria !!!!

[farcop]

Quote: SEER

Assad, unlike Poroshenko sane people.

Does Assad have any concrete suggestions? Did you hear them? Did he announce something?

[abvgdeika]

Mutually ......

[SEER]

Quote: abvgdeika

But isn’t that so far ?????

you don’t even expect "until" and forty years ...

[abvgdeika]

What did you want to say ?????

[-Pollux]

Quote: abvgdeika

History will judge ...... I can not give evidence. And the United States forgave Japan. It is a fact. So you do not set off .....

I wonder why the United States forgave Japan?

[abvgdeika]

For attacking the USA. Not good .....

[-Pollux]

Quote: abvgdeika

For attacking the USA. Not good .....

What rascals, did they drop the vigorous bomb on Los Angeles? What did they do wrong to the Americans? Not a single Japanese soldier stepped on the land of America, but all the same, they attacked ...

[abvgdeika]

Pearl Harbor however .. Hollywood made the same movie !!!!!

[SEER]

Quote: abvgdeika

Perl Harbor however .. Hollywood made a film !!!!!

cool provocation happened.
just like with Cuba at one time.

[-Pollux]

Quote: abvgdeika

Pearl Harbor however .. Hollywood made the same movie !!!!!

What does Hawaii have to do with it? This is a territory temporarily occupied by the Americans.
And what did the Japanese do there? Even in Hawaii the foot of a Japanese soldier did not set foot.
The United States itself armed the Japanese, and against Britain.

[farcop]

Quote: Pollux

What does Hawaii have to do with it? This is a territory temporarily occupied by the Americans.

Do the Hawaiians know?
Yakutia territory temporarily occupied by Russia. How does that sound?

[-Pollux]

Quote: farcop

Yakutia territory temporarily occupied by Russia. How does that sound?

Yakutia has never been either American or anyone else, Hawaii managed to visit both Russian and Spanish, Americans have no special rights to Hawaii

[farcop]

Quote: Pollux

Yakutia has never been neither American nor anyone else, Hawaii managed to visit both Russian and Spanish, some special

Yakutia was Yakut, Why not become one? Adygea was Adygea, and should return to its rightful owners.

Quote: Pollux

Americans have no rights to Hawaii

Well, take away Anika the warrior.

[-Pollux]

Quote: farcop

Yakutia was Yakut

Before the Russians arrived, such a political entity did not exist.

[farcop]

Before the resumption of the state of Israel, there was no Arab political entity Palestine, but this does not stop you from shouting about the infrequent and deprived Palestinians and giving false cards.

[-Pollux]

Quote: farcop

Prior to the resumption of the state of Israel, there was no Arab political entity Palestine

That's not true.

Quote: farcop

but this does not stop you from screaming about the infrequent and deprived Palestinians and giving false cards

What does the Palestinians have to do with it? Israel already exists and it will not be destroyed in order to restore "historical justice." Moreover, the conversation was not about Israel.
The conversation was originally about Japan (let me remind you if your memory is so bad). About the fact that bad Japanese attacked good Americans. The truth is that both the Japanese and the Americans are bad. In the outbreak of World War II, the United States is to blame no less than Japan and Germany. Japanese and German performers, American organizers. Then the Americans throw their proteges and for this they (the Japanese) should be grateful?

[farcop]

Quote: Pollux

That's not true.

Well, tell us about such a political Arab formation, Palestine before the Jews appeared there. And immediately your education will be clear.

Quote: Pollux

What does the Palestinians have to do with it?

My conversation with you began with this. You said: What does Hawaii have to do with it? This is a territory temporarily occupied by the Americans.
I said that then Yakutia, you said that Yakutia never had a political education, I replied that the Arab Palestine was also not a political education before the Jews appeared there. That is, if this is a measure, why are you then pulling a throat for the Palestinians, and if not, to Yakutia.

[YELLOWSTONE]

you think they can’t? with Alaska it's even easier and faster

[parma]

Ahem ... Of course I understand that I am finding fault, but still the leg of a Japanese soldier stepped on American soil, did you hear anything about the Aleutian Islands? These are uninhabited islands, but still part of the United States ...

[-Pollux]

Quote: parma

.I certainly understand that I am finding fault, but still the leg of the Japanese soldier stepped on American soil, they heard something about the Aleutian Islands

Exactly what they found fault with. I note that it was said that the leg of the Japanese soldier did not step on the American land - that is, no Japanese attacked the continental United States

[22 dmdc]

The applicant has a clinic, and this is no longer being treated.

[nikoliski]

abvgdeika,
I'm afraid that the Japanese still remember Hiroshima and Tokyo burned by napalm

[abvgdeika]

That was the war. And the winner’s attitude towards the defeated was adequate. History has proven

[SEER]

Quote: abvgdeika

Yes, not us, but he. He was offered, he did not want. And now there’s no one with Syria !!!!

bury early - "bored girls ..."

[abvgdeika]

That is not a settled comrade

[abvgdeika]

I'm Tambov wolf myself

[abvgdeika]

Wanted to offend? Did not work out. You know who in Russia they are not offended !!!!!

[abvgdeika]

Well again good night innin friend ....

[abvgdeika]

Good night !!!!!!

[abvgdeika]

Parrots love to repeat ... And who do you have Inna ?????

[Sands Careers General]

Middle Eastern cowboys announced another change.

[shinobi]

Oh yes! I forgave the overlord of the vassalla! There is no independent policy, there is no full-fledged army, the United States has controlling stakes in leading corporations. Such a kind of forgiveness.

[SOF]

abvgdeika,
... did the USA forgive Japan?
... and Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the US Japanese, too, presumably, have been forgiven ....
.... patience .... they will forgive you something too ....

[Avis-bis]

abvgdeika,

The United States forgave Japan.

"through the looking glass" in someone's brain ... "The flayer forgave the dog." And Japan, in turn, must have forgiven China, right?

[Dimachrus]

Yeah))) and Germany also forgiven - the essence is occupied abvgdeika,

[novel66]

abvgdeika,
the United States did not forgive Japan - otherwise they were released from under the occupation

[Wolverine]

Quote: hrych

Quote: kapitan92

Another thing is the deployed base of the Iranians with their air defense on Syrian territory.

The dream of the Iranians is the base of the Navy in the Mediterranean, but our Syrian shelf. It is clear that Iran also wants to reduce the flight time of its missiles. Why do we need this? To erase Israel, we have something without Iran. Hezbollah is also at stake and a position in Lebanon. Why should we give the Kudsians this highly recommended organization. Let our Bashar rule her quietly. The time will come and the S-300 will be installed on the Lebanese mountains. Then we'll see. Let the Kudsavites concentrate on Yemen and other Arabian tyrannies.

I support, correctly painted, our rate makes a systematic reserve for the future, as in a joke - "but we will go down the mountain and bang the whole herd ..."

[Imobile]

The most interesting thing is that even our MO does not voice how many planes flew, nor where they flew. And that not only the invisibles take part. Overslept, or did something happen to our radars? Every blow is some kind of surprise. Comments are still missing that the Israelis are not honest shooting from far away - why do you think they should strip to the waist and go to hand-to-hand combat? Welcome to the 21st century!

[akunin]

and hit him from the "carapace", with 300 or 400? Slab, let the Jew live, so that he could bend his wings, and for one the test on the "invisible"?

[2329 Carpenter]

YELLOWSTONE,
“The Knight himself” seemed to be an athlete, as N. Golodnikov put it about LV experts. As a result, a robust sport of blood of the Red Army Air Force, Hartmann lost his war.
About the useless, in your opinion, vertical “Cobra” - here, I think, the late Pokryshkin argued with you ... Yes, and in the memoirs of Mariinsky, for example, there is nothing negative about this. Who else had more than 40k on Cobra? )))

[YELLOWSTONE]

ordinary prudent scoundrel
under the fire of layered cobras Germans drove other planes

[borberd]

Quote: hrych

Quote: kapitan92

Another thing is the deployed base of the Iranians with their air defense on Syrian territory.

The dream of the Iranians is the base of the Navy in the Mediterranean, but our Syrian shelf. It is clear that Iran also wants to reduce the flight time of its missiles. Why do we need this? To erase Israel, we have something without Iran. Hezbollah is also at stake and a position in Lebanon. Why should we give the Kudsians this highly recommended organization. Let our Bashar rule her quietly. The time will come and the S-300 will be installed on the Lebanese mountains. Then we'll see. Let the Kudsavites concentrate on Yemen and other Arabian tyrannies.

Is it okay that Hezbollah is not subordinate to Assad, but is subordinate directly to the Iranians? How can you give something that doesn't belong to you?
They will install it, of course, but it will end up like in 1982 in the Bekaa Valley (Medvedka 19)

[YELLOWSTONE]

there were already problems with such an ending even in 1983, we had to bring up the “peacekeepers” with the battleship

[borberd]

Quote: Real Israelite

Quote: novel xnumx

KR with special ammunition.

??? Jews, keep yourself in control, you are not a nuclear power!

AS IF?!

He simply doesn’t know that we don’t have nuclear weapons, but if necessary, we will use them (Golda Meir)

[nikolaev]

What is happening in the Middle East is the development of a scenario for the “interaction” of the “golden billion” with the rest of humanity: fences, towers, provocations to reduce numbers, machine-gun executions, chemical cleansing, etc. However, provocations are at the initial stage, then there will be landings in the most densely populated areas, the construction of temporary bases and concentration camps with chemical “souls”, crematoria, the driving of “cattle” there with machine-gun fire ..... In this way they will be implemented to the fullest, most " civilized" version of the "scientific achievements" of the chosen ones, accumulated by them in the process of the long path of "development" of their civilization.