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Post Parade Impressions

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The parade in honor of the 73 anniversary of the Great Victory in Moscow, despite its “non-lubile” nature, was quite interesting and very large-scale. It was attended by more than 13 thousand troops in 33 ceremonial calculations, 159 units of military and special equipment, as well as 75 aircraft. The weather did not let us down, and this year, unlike last year, the air part of the parade took place.




As for the walking part of the parade, she generally liked it. With rare exceptions, they walked clearly, as if no one had gone astray, or it did not get into the frame. And then at one of the past parades, one of the servicemen, it seems, the Emergencies Ministry knocked off the pavement, and the directors of the broadcast with stubbornness worthy of better use, showed just this part of the front box. That's why, I ask? However, this time too, to blame the broadcast operators for good reason. They were too enthusiastic about the plans, which show how uneven the pavement is near the main power square - it’s quite difficult to march along it, it’s all a bit wavy, and if you show boxes with front-operators so much loved by operators, you can see these very waves "and it seems like they are going badly. And it is not. More next time, show the "boxes" on the side, from the stands or somewhere else, so they look perfect. Well, the excessive enthusiasm for the broadest possibilities of modern television, such as cameras in paving stones and other very large plans, also strained a little.

The new version of the parade uniform, strongly reminiscent of both the Stalinist 1943 uniform of the year and the uniform of the officers of the Russian Imperial Army, despite the “analogies” of the Wehrmacht, which some people have seen almost with the Wehrmacht, has taken root and looks good and does not cause controversy. Especially against the background of camouflage uniforms of the servicemen of the National Guard (Rosguards), which looked, to be honest, somewhat alien on this celebration of life, was strongly out of the general flow. Also, soldiers and officers with a characteristic southern, or even Mediterranean, tan were very well visible in the general flow of military personnel. Where they got it - and so it is clear, not in the solarium. And they were in almost all the compounds presented.

But in the mechanized column this time there were enough new products, despite the "non-anniversary". Moreover, the organizers of the parade this time acted on the principle of “giving the country small coal, but a lot,” that is, the groups of each type of military equipment were small and often consisted of 2-3 modifications, but there were many different types of equipment as well. But the “boxes” of armor looked worse, of course. And still, not everyone fell into the convoy of those who should have been there. The T-14 Armata tank (vol.148) - there was, was the T-72B3 UBH tank - “with improved combat characteristics” - this is the official name of the 2016 version with the 1130-horsepower V-92S2F engine, lattice screens and DZ "Relic" on the sides and elements of the same DZ in the old modules from DZ "Contact-5" on the VLD of the hull and forehead and roof of the tower and other improvements of the original T-72B3. But the heavy BMP (TBMP) T-15 Armata (aka Barberry) was again absent. But not because something happened to them and they were abandoned - the machines pass the tests successfully, Tanks closer to their completion, TBMP a little further, in addition, two new combat modules with enhanced weapons were created for them, in particular with 57mm high and medium ballistic guns - Baikal (Dagger) and Epoch. Which of the modules will “register” on the platform, tests will show. But the first three battalion sets T-14 and T-15 have already been ordered for one of the regiments of the 2nd Guards Taman Motorized Rifle Division.

But in the tank "box" there were, probably, the main novelties of the ground part of the parade - tank support combat vehicles, BMPT, it is "Frame-99", vol. 199 (also often called a BMOP fire support fighting vehicle), announced at the parade under the advertising name "Terminator". Already in serial configuration - with enhanced protection of the sides, the roof, armoring of containers with the ATAKA-T ATGM and 30mm guns, new engines and undercarriage elements. Even before the series presented in the parade in the 12 units was released, one of the experienced vehicles traveled to Syria for a short time - it is not known whether she took part in active hostilities, but she set a tick in the now fashionable “Syrian experience” column. Well, this is a joke, and the combat experience, which is very important, is very important, even at least the operating experience on such a complex theater as the Syrian one.

However, the big question is, why does the RF Armed Forces need a BMPT in its current configuration? Yes, she has excellent protection, good OMS, but all this, and much better, is implemented on T-15, which also carries the infantry, and the specialized "armored gunner" based on the Armata platform will turn out even better, and with 57mm guns instead of 30mm - unless, of course, the Ministry of Defense decides that such a specialized machine is needed. But if the adoption of the Terminator has the support of its own exports, as many believe, then why not? There is a small lot of such machines in Syria where there is work, and not only there, but if you manage to sell them in a decent amount to some Algeria, then that's fine. And the experience of operating the machine itself is priceless.

The infantry equipment is represented by the new medium-tracked infantry fighting vehicles B-11 Kurganets (for some reason, the speakers called “heavy”, although they are not even in the maximum protective body kit), and the wheeled BMP K-17 Boomerang, as well as the BMP-3 BMP and BTR-82A - there was nothing new. Although it would be quite possible to set up the BMP-3М with the Sodem thermal imaging multichannel sight, they are already in parts, but the public is unlikely to notice this difference. The paratroopers drove to the BMD-4M "Gardener" and the BTR-MDM "Shell" - the number of these vehicles among the troops has already exceeded two hundred in total. Anti-tank missile systems "Cornet-D1" are presented, it seems, already in close to the serial configuration, judging by the number of details of their appearance. The missile forces and artillery are represented by the Coalition-SV and the MNTAX MNS (Dilemma-2 OCS), the Smerch MLRS and, of course, the Iskander-M complex. A number of samples, which previously participated as experienced, are now completely serial, and even have visited Syria, such as, for example, the "Tiger-M" with the combat module "Crossbow". But they also visited Syria and the Parade's new items, such as the Typhoon K-35 2x19 mini-armored car (“Typhoon”, its version is also called “Typhoon Airborne”).

The recent main (not counting the EW) heroes of the successful repelling of the strike with cruise missiles on Syria - the combat vehicles of the Buk-М2 and Pantsir-С2 systems also once again traveled, along with the new Tor-М2 (before or earlier "Tor-MXNUMU", or the arctic version of "Tor-M2"). However, on the night after the parade, they again found a lot of work in Syria, and, as they have previously reported, they did quite well with it.

For some reason, the new Buk-М3, already supplied to the military air defense, was not shown again - they promise in a year. This time, the arctic parts, in addition to the articulated "Thors", are also represented by an unarmored TTM-1901-40 snowmobile, albeit in the back of the car. The robotic complexes Uran-9 (combat) and Uran-6 (sapper) also drove through the bodies. It can be seen, “Uranus-9” was afraid to trust, and “Uranus-6” is just slow, it will be difficult for him to keep speed on the pavement. UAV "Corsair" of the aircraft type and "Katran" - helicopter, also rode by truck. Probably, they also do not trust the span over Red Square, given the multiple superiority in the number of accidents per hour in raids of UAVs compared to manned vehicles.

Many objected to the participation in the parade of the AM-1 ATVs and quad and UAZ Patriot pickups. They say that it is not impressive for the army of a military superpower, but we are not Balts and not Danes. But, I must say, the use of "quadrics" for the standard group did not look crazy, although it was original. They showed the technique used, including in Syria, in this way - and well. A "Patriots" filled the space around the PGRK type "Yars-S", so that also did not look alien. The main thing is not to get involved in this "relief" in the subsequent parades. In parts, such a technique will not receive much distribution.

But how good the mechanized column itself is, just as badly shown by the "TV masters". Sharply increased possibilities of television, which is capable of sticking cameras anywhere - on paving stones, on different drones with cameras, on the tank tower, on the front of the hull, on the head of the vehicle commander, on the fender, on the hull, or at least on the supporting roller, abruptly turned heads to broadcast directors. And they run up their eyes from the abundance of cameras, a picture of which can be broadcast. They switch views from the top, from somewhere from the Red Square, from the entrances, from the exits, from the cameras on the car, and from somewhere else. And these close-ups, including the military personnel themselves, are certainly good, but in moderation! The incessant clicking of the switching buttons reminds a person who is sitting at the TV and mindlessly clicking channels, trying to find at least something interesting. It is not the first year that the display of the latest technology spoils these unknown heroes - the guys with the remote control in front of the screen. Or inspire them that moderation is the sister of talent, or select the remote control from the TV. Of course, from the epic failure with the broadcast of the passage of technology at the landmark parade 2015g. the current parade is still far away, but nevertheless, the impression is painful.

С aviation part of it all turned out more or less, although there they didn’t manage to show some types of equipment normally, they got confused. But in general, the main “hits” of the air units showed: a pair of Su-57, and a pair of MiG-31K with GZUR / GZPKR “Dagger”.

As for the parade ground at the end and the drummers' performances, it seems to the author that they themselves belong at the Spasskaya Tower festival, but not at the Victory Parade. It's great, beautiful, but it's not serious. Although some, on the contrary, very much.

Two words about the episode that flashed at the end of the broadcast with the veteran and Putin’s personal guard. The guards acted in their own right, they had no idea what kind of grandfather it was, and they had their own rules and tasks, and they acted correctly, and Vladimir Vladimirovich acted in his own right, inviting the veteran with him. It turned out well. But with admission to the stands for those who were able to get an invitation, it came out quite peculiar. The invited people at first could not get into the pass office to get from there to the stands - someone blocked access to them, putting a cordon in the wrong place. But quickly figured out.

But all these little things are actually compared to the social unity that has been observed in recent years on this day. It is expressed in millions of people on the "Immortal Regiment", and in the general mood of people on the streets from the morning parade to the evening salute and after it. It is precisely the unifying feeling that they are trying to take away from us the sad flocks of any storytellers that “it was not a victory, but a defeat”, “it is a day of sorrow and repentance”, “filled up with corpses” and so on and so forth. AT stories by no means every nation has such “points of universal unification” or points in which the people perceive themselves to be one. We had a lot of these. But the Great Patriotic War is the closest to us on the time scale. Especially if you talk about "nas" not only as about the people of Russia, but also about the entire former USSR

They don’t drag us to their camp, who “grieves for their defeat”, but they can try with our children and grandchildren. Our task is to educate them correctly, with immunity to any such mental contagion. Because the education of future winners (and wars, unfortunately, will be enough for any generation) is one of the most important tasks for us. But it will not be like in the territory of neighboring North Somalia, populated by non-brothers, where they did not cope with this task, and they did not try. Where the slogan "Fascism will not pass!" One of the leading channels now called "anti-Ukrainian." Well, in general, considering where the apologists of the Ukrainians came from and how their grandfathers "fought with Hitler" (some even fought Hitler in the Nachtigall ranks from the first day), and what ideas they infused into unstable brains, this channel was not mistaken ...
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 11 May 2018 05: 21
    +41
    One thing is not clear why the mausoleum was closed with plywood? You won’t hide from history with plywood - fascist standards and banners were thrown at the foot of the mausoleum by our victorious warriors in the year 45!
    1. bandabas
      bandabas 11 May 2018 05: 41
      +38
      It’s ugly to take the Parade to the Commander in Chief sitting. Veterans are one thing (they deserve plus age), and imposing sitting on a stool to the Supreme is another. When the soldiers pass, and salute. Not the first time.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 May 2018 05: 58
        +9
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        One thing is not clear why the mausoleum was closed with plywood?

        and this, the New Tradition is such ... sad
      2. cariperpaint
        cariperpaint 11 May 2018 16: 04
        +2
        Because he doesn’t accept the parade !!! Plus a number of veterans. They also stand ?! Well, really, how do you imagine this ???
        1. bandabas
          bandabas 12 May 2018 07: 51
          +3
          About veterans, I said that they should already be due to age and respect. .And he is the Supreme Commander.
      3. onix757
        onix757 11 May 2018 16: 06
        +6
        This is a new tradition from the Republic of Congo.
      4. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 11 May 2018 19: 15
        +7
        Quote: bandabas
        It’s ugly to take the Parade to the Commander in Chief sitting. Veterans are one thing (they deserve plus age), and imposing sitting on a stool to the Supreme is another. When the soldiers pass, and salute. Not the first time.

        Watch carefully: during the walking part of the parade, the GDP stood. He sat down when the equipment started - as in previous parades.
        1. bandabas
          bandabas 19 May 2018 05: 50
          0
          And where does the technique? Is it controlled by robots or people?
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 11 May 2018 06: 13
      +16
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      One thing is not clear why the mausoleum was closed with plywood? You won’t hide from history with plywood - fascist standards and banners were thrown at the foot of the mausoleum by our victorious warriors in the year 45!

      I agree with you. And I stopped watching the parade, because of the mausoleum it is unpleasant.
    3. 210ox
      210ox 11 May 2018 06: 54
      +8
      Vladimir hi Not kosher now .... By the way..And why should the Supreme not take the Parade while standing on the podium of the Mausoleum?
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      One thing is not clear why the mausoleum was closed with plywood? You won’t hide from history with plywood - fascist standards and banners were thrown at the foot of the mausoleum by our victorious warriors in the year 45!
      1. avt
        avt 11 May 2018 07: 05
        +16
        Quote: 210ox
        ..And why should the Supreme not take the Parade while standing on the podium of the Mausoleum?

        request Well, probably Xi has not yet risen to the level of chairman.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 11 May 2018 07: 14
          +22
          Quote: avt
          ..And why should the Supreme not take the Parade while standing on the podium of the Mausoleum?
          Well, probably Xi has not yet risen to the level of chairman.

          And before Generalissimo I.V. Stalin, all the more!
      2. Sagan_bator
        Sagan_bator 12 May 2018 09: 43
        +7
        This is not in the interests of the ruling class, rewriting history yet. Yes, you pay attention to new symbols and meanings, these are ideological surrogates. You will not deny that the authorities recall the fact of the existence of war veterans only on May 9, and on other days our veterans are left to their own devices.
        You need to be blind so as not to notice the flirtation of the authorities with the ideas of monarchism, the rehabilitation of Nicholas 2, the year of Solzhenitsyn. The list goes on and on. As they say, being determines consciousness, false values ​​and ideals prevail in our society. And an attempt by the authorities to find support in kvass patriotism and a bet on Orthodoxy and religion as a whole will not lead to anything good.
        I apologize in advance for the flow of negativity, just this year the holiday made a painful impression on me.
        1. your1970
          your1970 15 May 2018 12: 17
          0
          Quote: Sagan_Bator
          You will not deny that the authorities recall the fact of the existence of war veterans only on May 9, and on other days our veterans are left to their own devices.
          - But when the Soviet Union was of a different kind ??? did they end up in barracks yesterday - or have they lived there all their life ??
          in 1985 they hung everyone on the World War 2 degree and calmed down
    4. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 11 May 2018 09: 47
      +1
      Therefore, they closed it so as not to stand in the parade, but to exchange opinions in the process.
    5. Gardamir
      Gardamir 11 May 2018 10: 14
      +6
      You can’t hide from the history of plywood
      but rewriting history is more convenient.
      1. Bad_santa
        Bad_santa 11 May 2018 14: 08
        +13
        If they had the courage not to close the mausoleum, then it would be possible to put a low platform for the supreme in front of him, where he would welcome the troops. To stand on the Mausoleum, he has not yet grown up to his merits before the country. So let it stand at the entrance.

        For those who like to rewrite the results of the Second World War, you need to get all the banners of the Nazi troops from the museum and how to throw them to the ground in 1945
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 11 May 2018 11: 02
      +6
      Russia has an army, nation, history, future. This is bad and unacceptable for the West. The West needs such entities as "Ukraine" - without an army, with a degrading nation, without a future and successfully destroying its past
    7. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 11 May 2018 11: 16
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      One thing is not clear why the mausoleum was closed with plywood? You won’t hide from history with plywood - fascist standards and banners were thrown at the foot of the mausoleum by our victorious warriors in the year 45!


      Lenin was the idol of the Communists and they stood on his rostrum, and now in Russia the Communists are not in power.
      1. Dashing
        Dashing 11 May 2018 13: 43
        +14
        Where you found it is not the Communists in power. All are ardent members of the CPSU, all ardent traitors to their party and their homeland — the USSR. Being an KGB officer, and not being a member of the CPSU, is nonsense in the Soviet Union. For jokes, our brother, non-partisan, was battered for precisely such "ideological" ones that now they have entrenched themselves in power and teach us how to live in a Trump, capitalistic way. So to speak, they are oligarchs, political officers, and, as before, commissars. Eating their mother.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 11 May 2018 14: 34
        +11
        [quote] [the Communists are not in power. / quote] and so?
    8. iouris
      iouris 11 May 2018 13: 23
      +8
      Plywood is not on the mausoleum, but on history. Already almost no one remembers what kind of war they are talking about: WWII or WWII. Few people know that WWII began with the aggression of Japan against China, and ended with the defeat of Japan and who first got under the tricolor. Why "we were told that the war had begun" when "Kiev was bombed."
      1. your1970
        your1970 15 May 2018 12: 20
        0
        Quote: iouris
        Few people know that WWII began with Japan’s aggression against China,
        -a this question is very controversial ... Formally in the world and after the WWII they fought constantly, so it is very difficult to find this line
    9. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 11 May 2018 16: 11
      +1
      Our country is large, and not everyone likes the mausoleum. For me, this is a good solution for everyone. Everyone is less or less normal. At any other time it is open.
      1. onix757
        onix757 11 May 2018 17: 41
        +15
        Our country is large, and not everyone likes the mausoleum. For me, this is a good solution for everyone. Everyone is less or less normal. At any other time it is open.

        And here like do not like it? From the rostrum of the mausoleum, Stalin took the parade in November 41, when the troops went directly to the front and at 45 on the same front. Whether you like it or not, this is a historical fact. And to make a balanced show out of victory with the removal of elements uncomfortable for the government is called a distortion of history. Here, as they say, either underpants or a cross ..
    10. free
      free 11 May 2018 18: 01
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      One thing is not clear why the mausoleum was closed with plywood? You won’t hide from history with plywood - fascist standards and banners were thrown at the foot of the mausoleum by our victorious warriors in the year 45!

      Why the mausoleum was closed is understandable.
  2. tlauicol
    tlauicol 11 May 2018 05: 32
    +17
    Immortal regiment impressed incredibly! just the sea, an endless stream of people!

    But concerts on TV - one crap!
    1. Alf
      Alf 11 May 2018 22: 19
      +6
      Quote: Tlauicol
      But concerts on TV - one crap!

      I watched a concert in the evening after repeating the parade. Well, it is necessary to mutilate the songs SO!
  3. 72jora72
    72jora72 11 May 2018 05: 51
    +2
    The parade was at its best. We were pleased with the equipment and the fact that a large number of participants in the hostilities passed.
    One thing is not clear why the mausoleum was closed with plywood?
    here I agree with Uncle Lee (Vladimir), I think that next year the government will still listen to the people, and leave the mausoleum alone
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 11 May 2018 06: 00
      +32
      Quote: 72jora72
      , I think that next year the government will still listen to the people

      laughing laughing laughing good -the best joke for the entire existence of IN!
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 11 May 2018 12: 57
        -1
        Well, how does he listen?
        Will you then scream that Putin was scared?
        1. free
          free 11 May 2018 18: 02
          +3
          Quote: Mestny
          Well, how does he listen?
          Will you then scream that Putin was scared?

          And if you don’t listen, what will you yell?
    2. Alf
      Alf 11 May 2018 22: 20
      +3
      Quote: 72jora72
      The parade was at its best. We were pleased with the equipment and the fact that a large number of participants in the hostilities passed.

      That's just the commentator should not just be fired, but due to professional inappropriateness. They show one thing, he talks about the other.
  4. Vard
    Vard 11 May 2018 06: 17
    +4
    The combat training does not affect the combat readiness of the military ... Rather, the opposite ... So amuse the ambitions of the command ...
    1. Army soldier2
      Army soldier2 11 May 2018 13: 14
      +10
      Quote: Vard
      The combat training does not affect the combat readiness of the military ... Rather, the opposite ... So amuse the ambitions of the command ...

      500 years in our army engaged and are engaged in drill training in order to undermine combat readiness. And you knew and to this day were silent. And who are you after that?
      PS Which regiment served?
      1. Vard
        Vard 11 May 2018 13: 31
        +1
        So we cleaned our guns with a brick ... OZK about fifteen minutes ... that’s what you say ...
    2. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 11 May 2018 16: 12
      +4
      Come on?))) I advise you to familiarize yourself with this issue more closely) for what and why is it needed and what benefit does it bring)))
    3. ammunition
      ammunition 11 May 2018 19: 26
      +4
      Quote: Vard
      Military readiness does not affect the combat readiness of the military ... Quite the contrary ..


      Please take my word for it. Explains for a long time.
      You are deeply mistaken, and you do not understand anything in this matter. sad
      ----------------------------
      Here is a drill of the highest combat readiness army -


      But "drill preparation" ... Um ... one Wehrmacht battalion would be enough for the entire army of this country. (not even the SS).

      ,
      ------------------
      So - think and study the question. yes
      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 11 May 2018 20: 56
        +1
        Against their background, even bersaliers fade.
  5. odometer
    odometer 11 May 2018 06: 57
    +10
    Why have teeth bared many? Somehow not that ... Looks like happy idiots.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 11 May 2018 07: 17
      +5
      I agree. The parade is a responsible and serious matter! Therefore, it must be serious and focused! There is an obvious bust ...
  6. svp67
    svp67 11 May 2018 07: 34
    +7
    Two words about the episode that appeared at the end of the broadcast with the veteran and Putin's personal guard. The guards acted in their own right, they somehow had no idea what kind of grandfather they were, and they had their own rules and tasks, and they acted correctly
    By the way, few people noticed that, despite the ambiguity of the actions of the President’s protection, she saved the veteran from injury. Since an operator with a camera on his shoulder was moving forward with his back forward, respectively not seeing him, and what would happen if they collided, one can only guess. Judging by the further actions of the operator, he got the protection ...
  7. BAI
    BAI 11 May 2018 09: 58
    +1
    And why did the T-34 commander stick out not from the commander's hatch?
    After all, before driving correctly.
    1. Army soldier2
      Army soldier2 11 May 2018 13: 11
      +1
      Quote: BAI
      And why did the T-34 commander stick out not from the commander's hatch?
      After all, before driving correctly.

      This is the commander’s hatch. But you, thinking on a strategic scale, do not need to worry about such trifles. The main thing is to leave more comments.
      1. CentDo
        CentDo 11 May 2018 13: 26
        +3
        You were shown a photo from the previous parade.

        But this is from the past. If only they first looked on the network before writing malicious comments.
    2. WUA 518
      WUA 518 11 May 2018 17: 55
      +2
      Quote: BAI
      And why did the T-34 commander stick out not from the commander's hatch?

      Here we can only assume that it wouldn’t work like this

  8. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 11 May 2018 10: 45
    +13
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    One thing is not clear why the mausoleum was closed with plywood? You won’t hide from history with plywood - fascist standards and banners were thrown at the foot of the mausoleum by our victorious warriors in the year 45!


    Yes, it’s not plywood, but a fig leaf, behind which liberal ears hid!
  9. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 11 May 2018 10: 59
    +4
    Mig 31 with a dagger looks gorgeous! American aircraft carriers will be happy!
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  11. AleBors
    AleBors 11 May 2018 11: 20
    +8
    With flickering of different plans, I agree with the author. You need to more traditionally show the picture on TV.
    And having walked with the Immortal Regiment in Moscow, I realized that we still have something that unites us into the people, and that which cannot be taken away. Anyway, bye ...
    And it is time to prosecute the yelping and grunting of various local liberals and pan-Europeans.
  12. shubin
    shubin 11 May 2018 11: 33
    +5
    Beautiful Parade, only embarrassed "youth" is far from school age in the form of the color of children's surprise.
  13. Tektor
    Tektor 11 May 2018 12: 12
    +2
    However, the big question is why the RF Armed Forces in general need BMPT in its current configuration. Yes, she has excellent protection, good SLA, but all this, and much better, is implemented on the T-15
    The developer claims that the Terminator can simultaneously fire at 4 targets, which no one else can. In addition, he claims that the Terminator has an aiming range greater than the others, i.e. This is a sniper complex.
    1. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 11 May 2018 16: 16
      0
      Yes, it’s some kind of game to compare radically two different cars ... anyway, what for us that 22 when there is a su 34 ...
  14. Opera
    Opera 11 May 2018 12: 40
    +6
    About how a group of comrades commented on the parade !!! Negativity pours wide wide river! And this is about the parade in Moscow in honor of the Great Victory !!! Those who do not even want to watch the parade because of the draped mausoleum would like to say - yes, of course, your business has been deprived of pleasure! Although, who knows, maybe the parade on Red Square for you personally is generally displeasure! Well, for those who say for the same reason that you can’t hide history behind plywood, I want to remind you of some moments from our not so distant history! . in the Decree, it was said that the demolition of the monuments of tsarist Russia was not yet of the desired large-scale character, which was justified by the hardships of the civil war ... However, in 12.04.1918 a lot of monuments were already demolished, among which were Vasnetsov’s creations. The commandant of the Kremlin Malkov joyfully commented on these events - and away we go !!!! A monument to Skobelev and a cross at the site of the murder of the Moscow Governor General also fell in and it went on in all cities and towns! Monuments of the "prison of peoples" were destroyed with a truly revolutionary fuse! In Kostroma, a monument was demolished to Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich and peasant Ivan Susanin! What will be curious to the present sufferers for the draped mausoleum, the pedestal of the demolished monument in Kostroma, which stood by the way for 1918 years, the Bolsheviks used as a platform by hammering boards and draping! Well, Moscow certainly suffered especially. In the future, simply destroyed architectural masterpieces! The Cathedral of Christ the Savior was blown up, the face of Zaryadye and China, a city, were unrecognizable, the Sukharev Tower was demolished ... Mausoleum, say draped ?! Ah sadness sadness, chagrin ...
    And the parade was wonderful! Well, people watched the air parade in many places of Moscow on the street, on balconies, peeped out of windows and waved flags! Hooray screaming! And in the evening there was a salute.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 11 May 2018 16: 42
      +2
      From the point of view of CPSU member Colonel Putin, it is somehow interesting.
      1. Opera
        Opera 11 May 2018 17: 33
        +2
        There are a lot of official sources with the help of which you can get acquainted with the president’s point of view on the agrarian spectrum of issues. As for the CPSU, just a couple of days ago in the State Duma Putin on this subject exhaustively answered Zyuganov. Read.
  15. Per se.
    Per se. 11 May 2018 13: 52
    0
    However, the big question is, why does the RF Armed Forces need a BMPT in its current configuration? Yes, she has excellent protection, a good OMS, but all this, and much better, is implemented on the T-15, which also carries infantry
    Carry infantry ... With the infantry inside and near the tanks? For the "infantry to haul" better heavy armored personnel carriers, without the costs of enhanced weapons. For specialized fire support of their tanks and infantry, better, cheaper and more efficient, such as BMPT, especially when you can use T-72 tanks for rework. The same heavy armored personnel carrier can also be made from stocks of old T-72 tanks or on a well-established and well-proven T-90 base, based on the BMO-T. Generally, if we talk about a single tank base (to the classic infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers), then the modernized T-90 is more logical to see in the fire support of BMPT, and for the second line, heavy armored personnel carriers with assault groups of troops on 6 people per vehicle. The reduction of the paratroopers improves the habitability, reduces the size, reduces the likelihood of the loss of the entire landing force with the defeat of the machine, allows the assault group to dismount faster and break into battle as a group. As a conclusion, the heavy BMP T-15 is a dubious pleasure, and if it is needed, then as a counterguarding, police car for the Rosguard, and not for the Taman division. It would have been better to concentrate all forces on fine-tuning the T-14 tank, as well as on the subsequent use of capacities for its supply to the army, rather than dispersing forces and means on this "golden platform". As for the parade, it is strange to see not tested and unaccounted vehicles, and the lack of the same new modifications of the T-90, a small representation of the equipment actually existing in the troops.
  16. UVB
    UVB 11 May 2018 15: 31
    +10
    The incessant clicking of the shift buttons resembles a person who sits at the TV and thoughtlessly clicks on channels, trying to find at least something interesting.
    I absolutely agree with the author. After watching, there was a feeling of disappointment .. Not from the parade, but from its display. Broadcast organizers would do well to pick up records from the 60s parades in the archives and learn from them. That's when you could consider everything!
    1. your1970
      your1970 15 May 2018 12: 26
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      Quote: UVB
      That's when you could consider everything!
      - then the NEW equipment could be seen exclusively at the parade. Now you can find out instantly and view it on the Web. The operator tried to show the power of the army - not individual samples of iron
      1. UVB
        UVB 16 May 2018 19: 33
        0
        The operator tried to show the power of the army
        I didn’t mean it at all. The broadcast organizers did not show a parade at all, but simply boasted about the capabilities of modern TV.
  17. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 11 May 2018 19: 14
    +1
    A new version of the parade uniform, strongly reminiscent of both the Stalinist uniform of 1943 and the uniform of the officers of the Russian Imperial Army, despite some “analogies” that almost came to mind with the Wehrmacht, has taken root and looks good, and no longer causes disputes. Especially against the background of the camouflage uniform of servicemen of the National Guard Troops (Rosguard), which, to be honest, looked somewhat alien at this holiday of life, was knocked out of the general stream strongly.

    In fact, in the camouflage at the parade was not only the WG, but also boxes of "field units" - the army and airborne.
  18. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 11 May 2018 19: 26
    +3
    It is not the first year that the show of the latest technology has been spoiled by these unknown heroes - guys with a remote control in front of the screen. Or inspire them
    The hero is alone. This is the director, who decides what to broadcast at this moment. And since now the cameras are poked everywhere, wherever possible, the spectators of the Parade, football, and Formula 1 swear.
    Well, yes, okromya spectators performances of GDP.
  19. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 11 May 2018 20: 35
    +1
    The main impression: May 9 was a holiday, nationwide, throughout the country.
    There are many holidays on the calendar, but there have not been such holidays for a long time.
  20. 501Legion
    501Legion 11 May 2018 20: 44
    0
    The parade was excellent and the technique is good. especially when it passes near you and you feel all its power in vibrations and sizes. Well, the Immortal Regiment is a real unity of the people, and when there was a salute everyone chanted Hooray, Happy Holidays, Victory Day, Victory. That really shows what unites us,
  21. A.
    A. 12 May 2018 09: 08
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    Quote: Uncle Lee
    One thing is not clear why the mausoleum was closed with plywood? You won’t hide from history with plywood - fascist standards and banners were thrown at the foot of the mausoleum by our victorious warriors in the year 45!

    That's right, the mausoleum with the corpse of Lenin is not plywood, but must be blown up for a long time.
  22. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 14 May 2018 04: 02
    -1
    Quote: Bad_Santa
    it was possible to put a low platform for the supreme before him

    put it on a stool ...
  23. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 14 May 2018 04: 13
    -1
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    Now in Russia, the Communists are not in power.

    werewolves in power
  24. ver_
    ver_ 17 May 2018 02: 12
    0
    Quote: Anatolyevich
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    One thing is not clear why the mausoleum was closed with plywood? You won’t hide from history with plywood - fascist standards and banners were thrown at the foot of the mausoleum by our victorious warriors in the year 45!

    That's right, the mausoleum with the corpse of Lenin is not plywood, but must be blown up for a long time.

    ... the decision is wrong - to convey this * charm * to the Jews - let them * base * near their crying wall ..- there it will be ..