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The names of the dead in Syria pilots. What happened with Ka-52 and Su-30CM?

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Officially presented data about the victims in Syria, the pilots of the Ka-52. In the east of the Syrian Arab Republic during the helicopter crash two officers died. They are Lieutenant Roman Eduardovich Miroshnichenko (navigator-operator of a helicopter squadron) and Lieutenant Colonel Artyom Anatolyevich Gushchin (deputy commander of a helicopter squadron). The helicopter fell at night in the desert. At the same time, the military department announced that the Ka-52 was patrolling the area.


Lieutenant Roman Miroshnichenko was 24 of the year, Lieutenant Colonel Artyom Guschin was 39 years old.

The names of the dead in Syria pilots. What happened with Ka-52 and Su-30CM?


Roman Miroshnichenko graduated from military college in 2017 year. Artem Guschin - in 2000 year.

According to some reports, the Ka-52 helicopter, which crashed in Syria on May 6, was based on one of the airfields of the Far East. It was the first Ka-52, lost in ATS.

Recall that the official version of the Ministry of Defense connects the crash of a rotary-wing machine with a technical malfunction. A number of media outlets stated that the helicopter could have been attacked using a portable anti-aircraft missile system.

It should also be recalled that a few days ago, the Su-30CM plane, which was part of the Russian Aerospace Aviation Group's aviation group in the Syrian Arab Republic, fell into the Mediterranean Sea. The crew also died. The name of one of the dead pilots became known: the commander of the squadron, Major Albert Davidyan from the Belgorod Region. He left a wife and two minor children. According to some reports, Albert Davidyan studied at Borisoglebsky Flight School, which today has been turned into a training airbase.

The official version of the fall of the Su-30CM - hit a bird in one of the engines. Some experts put this version in doubt, others believe that a large bird that got into the engine on takeoff of a fighter could well have provoked its further fall in the event of a malfunction in another aircraft engine. History aviation He knows many cases when a bird became the cause of the crash of a military aircraft, including aircraft that have "more than one engine." At the moment, there is an operation to raise the debris of a fighter from the bottom of the sea off the coast of Latakia province.
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  1. vorobey
    vorobey 8 May 2018 16: 49
    +39
    Good memory to the guys ...

    one sucks .. on their deaths now there will be another speculation ..
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 8 May 2018 16: 57
      +12
      Quote: vorobey
      Good memory to the guys ...

      Accept the Lord of their souls .....
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 8 May 2018 17: 14
        +35
        "The pilots do not die. They just fly away and do not return ..." The earth rest in peace.
        1. x.andvlad
          x.andvlad 8 May 2018 17: 45
          +16
          Of course, it’s very unfortunate to once again hear the news about the losses of the pilots, despite the fact that military operations are continuing there, which rarely happen without losses.
          And all questions remain for the crew and the equipment (Ka-52), in which, they say, there is a reliable, "lacking analogs" rescue system. If a helicopter due to a malfunction fell in the desert, then there was no need to take it to a safe place. Why not saved?
          1. turbris
            turbris 8 May 2018 18: 23
            +13
            Well, it began, we went to PR with respect to a “rescue-free system of no analogues." Andrei - you have to have a conscience, the helicopter could fly into an obstacle when flying at night, why don’t you need any assumptions, show sorrow for the dead pilots and that’s all.
          2. freddyk
            freddyk 8 May 2018 19: 12
            +5
            Yes, everything is muddy. Either our technically unavailable technique turns out to be unreliable (which, IMHO, is unlikely), or they try to smooth the corners in relations with "partners". But you can go so far.
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 8 May 2018 19: 18
              +5
              Oh well .. War, my condolences ... the Russian Federation got involved, losses can not be avoided. I still do not understand why, to lose my people, there will still be no control. I think attempts to manipulate great power ... The idea is higher than man?
              1. venik
                venik 8 May 2018 21: 06
                +23
                Quote: Shahno
                Oh well .. War, my condolences ... the Russian Federation got involved, losses can not be avoided. I still do not understand why, to lose my people, there will still be no control. I think attempts to manipulate great power ... The idea is higher than man?

                ========
                In the MIRROR often look ???? Well look! Whose "cow mooed" !!!
              2. Maki Avellevich
                Maki Avellevich 8 May 2018 21: 38
                +9
                Quote: Shahno
                I think attempts to manipulate great power ... The idea is higher than man?


                Yes exactly. a people who have no ideas that are higher than the individual ceases to be such. such a nation will be dispelled by other societies driven by idiology.
                condolences to families.
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                  1. SETTGF
                    SETTGF 9 May 2018 01: 25
                    +2
                    Eternal Memory and Glory to the Heroes!
                  2. Maki Avellevich
                    Maki Avellevich 9 May 2018 06: 44
                    0
                    I wrote
                    a people who have no ideas that are higher than the individual ceases to be such. such a nation will be dispelled by other societies driven by idiology.


                    your cue
                    Quote: SETTGF
                    They would learn Russian better rather than write stupid nonsense about great power ...

                    Do you think that a person should not have ideas that are higher than himself?

                    ps here a dialogue, I ask his etiquette and adhere to.
                    Quote: SETTGF
                    You have a pathological inferiority, Jews!

                    I ask you not to go far from the etiquette of the discussion
                  3. bloodsucker
                    bloodsucker 9 May 2018 17: 46
                    0
                    SETTGF (Eugene)
                    "Israeli illiterate youngsters!"
                    Well, your youngsters are even more illiterate. And not youngsters too. Let's compete with me in the knowledge of the Russian language.
                    1. Fayter2017
                      Fayter2017 9 May 2018 23: 55
                      +2
                      After the period at the end of the sentence, a space is placed, before the next sentence, Israeli diplomas.
                    2. assa67
                      assa67 16 May 2018 20: 52
                      +2
                      let me compete for the absence of an opponent hi
              3. Slavs
                Slavs 9 May 2018 00: 25
                +6
                Yeah, no one can keep up with your greatness ... And of course, your masters should control it there with the hands of the ISIS, but not we - the great-power ...))) Your 300 states will at least have enough for two? ))) So think about our great power ...)) Oh, it’s not in vain that God has raised Judas among your people, made it clear to everyone what to expect from you)) What can you not do on Israeli sites?
                1. ver_
                  ver_ 12 May 2018 01: 19
                  0
                  ... count - Judas - the wife of Christ (Prince Andrei Bogolyubsky) - the noblewoman Kuchkov ... Only you can hope for your dog until the last moment, and for a woman - until the first case ...
                  1. Slavs
                    Slavs 12 May 2018 18: 51
                    0
                    No, no ..)) I had in mind their version with the apostles, where Judas is a guy ...)) What would they understand))
              4. 9lvariag
                9lvariag 13 May 2018 20: 38
                0
                Shano, Well, here are the lights of the civilized world, pulled up with nafig unnecessary advice. Could even in such a memorable article hold your mouth with a strong hand? And then the tongue grinds to the brain.
                In fact: well, yes, of course it is with you and with the "overseas bright" in the Middle East there will not be any order. It’s not for you.
          3. Blackbeard
            Blackbeard 8 May 2018 19: 18
            0
            maybe all the same? but they don’t want to tell
        2. Tatyana
          Tatyana 8 May 2018 18: 01
          +12
          I have no words - only bitter thoughts!
          I think that the helicopter still shot down.
          The article says nothing about the bodies of the deceased pilots. Where are their bodies? Who do they have? When will they be delivered to their homeland - and will they be delivered at all?

          The families of the deceased pilots are our most sincere sympathy! I can imagine what grief there is now!
          Also, our sincere condolences to the fighting friends and comrades of the deceased lieutenant Roman Eduardovich Miroshnichenko (navigator-operator of the helicopter squadron) and Lieutenant Colonel Artyom Anatolyevich Gushchin (deputy commander of the helicopter squadron)!
          1. siemens7774
            siemens7774 8 May 2018 21: 30
            +3
            Tatyana, the body rescue service has already taken. They are at home.
        3. venik
          venik 8 May 2018 20: 41
          +5
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          "The pilots do not die. They just fly away and do not return ..."

          =========
          They just go to SKY !!!!!
      2. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 8 May 2018 17: 16
        +11
        Su.ka death takes the best, insulting and bitter! Eternal memory to the children, God rest their souls! soldier hi
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 8 May 2018 17: 51
          +3
          There are no words - only emotions ....................... Bright and Eternal Memory for guys! soldier
        2. dSK
          dSK 8 May 2018 19: 33
          +6
          Quote: Major Yurik
          Eternal memory to the children, God rest their souls!

          In blissful assurances, eternal rest, O Lord, grant Your departed servants, Artyom and Roman, and create eternal memory for them. Their soul in good will be established, and their memory in race and generation. hi
        3. venik
          venik 8 May 2018 21: 04
          +3
          Quote: Major Yurik
          Su.ka death takes the best, insulting and bitter! Eternal memory to the children, God rest their souls! soldier hi

          =========
          And so from time immemorial it has become a custom - the BEST go FIRST!
    2. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 8 May 2018 17: 00
      +4
      Alexander hi such is the nature of man, thank God that not everyone on another mountain makes a gesheft for himself.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 8 May 2018 17: 22
        +7
        Lieutenant Roman Miroshnichenko was 24 years old
        quite a boy ... probably raved about the sky, but it was him - about the earth ... to tears. (((
    3. loki565
      loki565 8 May 2018 17: 19
      +4
      The main question is why did not catapult ??? Why heroize and save the car is just iron, in the conditions of hostilities consumables ...
      1. Avis24
        Avis24 8 May 2018 18: 56
        +3
        That stuck in your car steering column at a speed of 100 km / h, you should immediately exit (catapult) out of the car.
        I mean, you may not have that couple of seconds to pull the levers (squeeze the clutch and apply the brake)
      2. DMB_95
        DMB_95 8 May 2018 19: 40
        0
        Quote: loki565
        The main question is why did not catapult ???

        Not the fact that they had the opportunity to leave the car.
    4. assa67
      assa67 16 May 2018 20: 43
      +2
      the earth rest in peace .. Motherland remembers ...
      Quote: vorobey
      on their deaths now another speculation will be ..

      and they will soon begin to fall again in response ... sabotage and sabotage has not been canceled by anyone .... well, and the testing of new "interesting" weapons
  2. 210ox
    210ox 8 May 2018 16: 49
    +17
    Very suspicious accidents. Weren't the "partners" addicted? Good memory to the pilots.!
  3. Grandfather Makar
    Grandfather Makar 8 May 2018 16: 50
    +8
    What happened there .. They will find out, but professional pilots cannot be returned! .. This loss is very serious. Eternal memory to peasants! hi
    Something often all this has been happening lately ... Diversion?
  4. keeper03
    keeper03 8 May 2018 16: 51
    +4
    Eternal memory to our soldiers !!!
  5. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 8 May 2018 16: 52
    +1
    some crap, like TAVKR Kuznetsov, and then immediately 4 Hero of Russia for mortal
    1. Don
      Don 8 May 2018 17: 10
      +5
      The war is going on, and there casualties are commonplace, unfortunately. For a long time, we have been learning from the Americans to fight with the least losses, and preferably in the wrong hands, while awarding ourselves a victory. Syrian military company - this is our first modern attempt at such a war
      1. freddyk
        freddyk 8 May 2018 19: 19
        0
        The war is on, and there casualties are routine .....


        Yes, but they convince us that the losses are not military, but there are already more military ones. This is not normal for war.
        1. Don
          Don 8 May 2018 19: 23
          0
          so you have the wrong idea of ​​war winked
  6. next322
    next322 8 May 2018 16: 55
    +3
    crashed su-30cm - airplane MA Black Sea Fleet, and not the VKS .....
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 8 May 2018 17: 05
      +4
      I heard that the board was from Millerovo, and the pilot from Domna. They lied?
  7. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 8 May 2018 16: 55
    +3
    My sincere condolences! soldier Light memory to them!
  8. NEXUS
    NEXUS 8 May 2018 16: 56
    +4
    Condolences to relatives and friends. LIGHT MEMORY OF THE Fallen!
  9. viktor.
    viktor. 8 May 2018 17: 03
    +1
    Good memory to the guys.
  10. Orkraider
    Orkraider 8 May 2018 17: 05
    +1
    Condolences and we will remember! Thank you and forgive us.
  11. Tarasve
    Tarasve 8 May 2018 17: 07
    0
    Bright memory to pilots.
    Most likely the technology was driven by constant sorties?
  12. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu 8 May 2018 17: 08
    +2
    Too suspicious
    And someone will finally explain why no one catapults. What a mystic. "Partners" that found a way to stun pilots? There are catapults on Kamov
    1. san4es
      san4es 8 May 2018 17: 41
      +4
      Quote: Beltasir Matyagu
      ... And someone will finally explain why no one catapults.,

      ... pilots believe in your car... try to stretch to the last ... But it happens, it’s too late to save yourself ... soldier
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 8 May 2018 18: 05
        +2
        Quote: san4es
        Pilots believe in their car ..

        My friend, after all, any of us believes that he is in the hands at the moment ... Do you remember how in old films cowboys drank for their colt?
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 8 May 2018 17: 52
      +5
      So there’s not much time.

      By Ka for sure. There are two versions:
      - arrival from the Kurds, it is quite possible that once already in the ground (the height is then small, look at the video from the same Mi-24 in Donbas, where there was an arrival on the route - once and already in the ground).
      - The famous widow ONV1. Due to the crappy quality of the picture, arrivals in power lines, wires, visual errors, piloting and arriving in the mound, etc. - the norm. He has already killed several corpses in Syria (Mi-35, on Mi-28Н - they actually officially blamed "piloting error - because of an incorrect assessment of the situation at night using NVG type ONV1-01"). Well, if you flew into a hill or started to cut wires, you won’t have time to pull.

      According to Su-30, it is unclear why they tried to even out. According to eyewitnesses, the emergency was up to ten seconds. It's a lot.
      1. san4es
        san4es 8 May 2018 18: 33
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        ... According to the Su-30, it is unclear why they tried to align themselves. According to eyewitnesses, the emergency was up to ten seconds. It's a lot.

        hi ... The flyer from the "Harrier" at 2.15 - iron eggs.
      2. Flyer_64
        Flyer_64 9 May 2018 10: 49
        +1
        Here on this link is a photo of a crashed helicopter https://zen.yandex.ru/media/voenkor/pochemu-o-kru
        shenii-vertoleta-ka52-soobscili-lish-spustia-sutk
        i-5af0fc4abce67edead6526b2.
        One can judge by the compactness of the remnants of the helicopter to the whole radome fairing; the helicopter did not collide with an obstacle and did not catch the wires. Fell almost vertically, the fairing is intact (fell off upon impact). Everything else burned out, the HB sleeve is not visible (it does not burn out completely). If there is a failure, then it looks like a gearbox failure or a whip of blades.
    3. Flyer_64
      Flyer_64 8 May 2018 20: 34
      +1
      According to the analysis of extreme APs with Ka-52 helicopters. The bailout system has never been used. and among the pilots, mistrust of her.
  13. Ivan Tarava
    Ivan Tarava 8 May 2018 17: 11
    +3
    Eternal memory to the heroes. War takes the best.
  14. serge siberian
    serge siberian 8 May 2018 17: 12
    +2
    People will not be returned. Sorry.
  15. Ncplc
    Ncplc 8 May 2018 17: 15
    +5
    My condolences to the families of the victims.
  16. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 8 May 2018 17: 20
    +1
    The soul grieves when the best pass away from life, The Defenders of the Earth, the Russian Earth will be rest in peace for them, and the kingdom of heaven will receive their Light Souls! My condolences to family and friends!
  17. panzerfaust
    panzerfaust 8 May 2018 17: 35
    +6
    I don’t understand our “pilots”. Are they forgetting from fear about a catapult ??? The Israelis with amers a little - immediately whacked and alive, returned to their families. At least a simple instinct for self-preservation should work! Think about yourself guys, the main thing is your life, and they will still make iron. Sorry for the young guys and weird like that ...
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 8 May 2018 17: 46
      +4
      Quote: panzerfaust
      Are they forgetting from fear about a catapult ???


      Do you know what fear is? Fear comes either before or after ..
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 8 May 2018 18: 08
        +1
        Sasha, and you try to explain what fear is. wink And together we will count who will understand.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 8 May 2018 17: 56
      +2
      According to Su-30 - a question.

      By Ka - no questions. There are two versions. Or flew at night due to poor NVG ONV1. Nobody has time for anything there. Or an arrival from the Kurds-Babahs, there most likely the situation is also in a second and that's all. And if the arrival - the attempt to rescue the helicopter and pull as much as possible into the desert - is fully justified. Sense to jump - and then act in films or undermine a grenade. If you flew over the desert in the east, they simply won’t help there. Toyotobabahs will be the first.
    3. Berkut154
      Berkut154 8 May 2018 20: 00
      0
      To understand the pilots must be a PILOT!
    4. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 8 May 2018 20: 02
      0
      The same catapult does not guarantee survival.
      Condolences ...
  18. Placebo
    Placebo 8 May 2018 17: 44
    +1
    Blessed memory ... Shoigu, go to Syria, sort it out, otherwise the Ministry of Emergencies raised it so that everything burns ...
  19. APASUS
    APASUS 8 May 2018 18: 01
    0
    I’m only interested in these tragedies: with all the experience of these pilots in two cases, four hundred, why not catapult? It’s clear that the cases are different, but the crew had a bird variant for 4-2 seconds
  20. Flies
    Flies 8 May 2018 18: 07
    +2
    Good memory, guys ...
    But the fact that they did not announce the second (and most importantly his position) on the Su-30 pushes some questions.
    1. impostor
      impostor 8 May 2018 18: 21
      0
      by position: there the pilot-ship commander and navigator (operator)
      1. Flies
        Flies 8 May 2018 18: 36
        0
        Well, how to say. Not only the positions but also the responsibilities of each crew member (and I know not only front-line aviation well), but why they keep silent about their surname and name are alarming. Simply, almost immediately, bad rumors went on. I would like to believe that these are just rumors, but until they have voiced the second one on Sushka ...
        PS The commander of the ship is on the MiG-31 and heavier. Specifically, on the Su-27 and their derivatives, the crew commander.
        1. impostor
          impostor 8 May 2018 19: 02
          0
          I can assume a bunch of versions, but what's the use of the sofa, huh?
        2. impostor
          impostor 8 May 2018 19: 08
          0
          Su-30SM and Su-35S are heavy, so ...
        3. Lucy
          Lucy 8 May 2018 19: 24
          0
          There will be no more.
        4. Yura Kharlamov
          Yura Kharlamov 8 May 2018 21: 17
          0
          More precisely from 40 tons
  21. kit88
    kit88 8 May 2018 18: 22
    +1
    Guys have eternal memory.
    And life goes on.
    We need to take an example from probable Western partners when the culprit is appointed in advance.
    In any case, the barmaley are to blame. Crush everyone indiscriminately in revenge for their own.
  22. pilot8878
    pilot8878 8 May 2018 18: 29
    +3
    "Rest in peace, officer ..."

    Good memory to the peasants. Unfortunately, the best go first ...
    Condolences to families.
  23. senima56
    senima56 8 May 2018 18: 34
    +1
    The kingdom of heaven to pilots! It’s a pity we won’t find out the truth.
  24. Seaflame
    Seaflame 8 May 2018 18: 48
    0
    I did not have time to move away after the tragedy with Sushka, a new disaster came ... But what is it ?!
  25. Lucy
    Lucy 8 May 2018 19: 16
    0
    Quote: Flies
    Good memory, guys ...
    But the fact that they did not announce the second (and most importantly his position) on the Su-30 pushes some questions.

    Ground position. Be content with the rest from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
  26. Lucy
    Lucy 8 May 2018 19: 21
    0
    Quote: impostor
    by position: there the pilot-ship commander and navigator (operator)


    A person knows what he is asking about, and you are naive.
    In the USSR Air Force, the pilots rolled their wives, without disastrous consequences for the Air Force, but with the subsequent dismissal from the USSR Armed Forces for themselves. And there was still a lot of sloppiness in aviation.
  27. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 8 May 2018 19: 23
    +2
    What is the reason why the name of the co-pilot of the Su-30SM is not called?
    1. Berkut154
      Berkut154 8 May 2018 20: 03
      +1
      I attribute this to the sudden death of Marat Musaev from a blood clot. Somehow everything unexpectedly coincided and the diagnosis was quickly given ... could he not be a "bag"?
      1. Lucy
        Lucy 8 May 2018 20: 14
        0
        Where you skidded!
      2. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 8 May 2018 20: 57
        0
        Quote: Berkut154
        I attribute this to the sudden death of Marat Musaev

        Who is he ?
        1. Berkut154
          Berkut154 8 May 2018 21: 38
          +1
          Mlyn..t9 ... Marat Musin. Director of the ANNA Channel.
    2. Aleks69
      Aleks69 8 May 2018 21: 36
      0
      There was a technician in the second cabin
      1. Berkut154
        Berkut154 8 May 2018 22: 44
        0
        And what is the point of rolling technique?
    3. vik669
      vik669 10 May 2018 13: 15
      0
      It looks like the “passenger” was in the place of the second pilot and ... where could this curious bird peck in the cockpit?
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 10 May 2018 14: 10
        0
        And it seems that this "passenger" tried to "steer." And in the end ...
        Both himself and the pilot. Therefore, the secret.
  28. Bell pepper
    Bell pepper 8 May 2018 20: 43
    +3
    Glory and eternal memory of the dead.

    Before the Bibi-Putin meeting, Jews make a demonstration of their REB funds. Now Putin will meet with Netanyahu, and:
    1) With 300 in Syria will not be. (Never)
    2) From 400 to Iran will not be. (The same)
    3) Lavrov will make new zones of de-escalation, and sheep and barmalens will have the opportunity to replenish their ammunition, and collect and prepare for the attack.
    4) Russian pilots in Syria will fly less ...
    5) Israel will continue to break the sovereign borders of the Syrian state at any time and will continue bombing the Syrian territory wherever and whenever.
    6) the Russian generals will again chat like every other plane "will be immediately destroyed" and they will continue to fly anyway.
    7) Putin will not make a single comment about the territorial integrity of the ATS. The Türks have already received their piece of "meat".
    Israel (USA) too. (territories under the control of the Kurdish SDF)

    etc. etc. the same thing we’ve been destroying the last 3 years ......
    1. Avis24
      Avis24 8 May 2018 21: 39
      0
      Primitively like that. Since when has Putin become a coward? He will do it right.
    2. SETTGF
      SETTGF 9 May 2018 01: 45
      0
      We will then force VV Putin to remove the pile!
    3. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 13 May 2018 20: 15
      0
      BULGARIAN PEPPER But he definitely predicted! Netanyahu visited Moscow and all. S-300 we will not deliver to Syria ....
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  30. infantry76
    infantry76 8 May 2018 21: 37
    +1
    Lord, with the Saints repose and accept the souls of your servants in peace!
    Deep condolences to friends, relatives, friends and colleagues!
    Glory to the Russian pilots!

    I have the honor!
  31. ir66
    ir66 8 May 2018 22: 25
    0
    We are constantly falling in peacetime, so with such an intensity of flights as in Syria, this is the norm, Kuzya and that 2 planes blown. And the fact that flyers are constantly dying, the myth of our super seats, plus PR generals, were not shot down, but a technical malfunction. It’s ridiculous already, the barmalei are already using the PZR in full, and we have got a gull the size of an elephant in the engine.
  32. Radikal
    Radikal 8 May 2018 22: 42
    +1
    Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    "The pilots do not die. They just fly away and do not return ..." The earth rest in peace.

    Photo from Zhulebino?
  33. Radikal
    Radikal 8 May 2018 22: 44
    0
    Quote: Maki Avellevich
    Quote: Shahno
    I think attempts to manipulate great power ... The idea is higher than man?


    Yes exactly. a people who have no ideas that are higher than the individual ceases to be such. such a nation will be dispelled by other societies driven by idiology.
    condolences to families.

    The people have an idea - the state does not have it! sad
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 8 May 2018 22: 58
      +1
      Quote: Radikal
      The people have an idea

      Someone authorized you to speak "for the people"? Mandate, please ...
      Or do you mean by "people" yourself alone? Fat for you, if so ...
      And, yes - what kind of "idea" is that? "All share" do not offer stop
  34. 1 Navigator
    1 Navigator 9 May 2018 00: 19
    +1
    Not what specifics. As always, blah, blah, blah.
  35. Evil 55
    Evil 55 9 May 2018 02: 14
    +1
    If only they didn’t burn any creature in the RPM that conducts diversions so successfully ..
  36. Netzah Netzah_2
    Netzah Netzah_2 9 May 2018 03: 33
    0
    Everything is clear with the Su-30, an engine fire (possibly due to a bird, although engines often fly there without external influences) and low altitude. While the pilot and the passenger (judging by the fact that they did not tell the name, they rolled a lump) figured out what to do, the plane sank into the sea. But the Ka-52 could be shot down. Of course, it was night (9 pm) and it’s difficult to suggest that the ZU-23, that the MANPADS, but ISIS (organization tripled in the Russian Federation three times over) is also not a mug.
    1. lance
      lance 9 May 2018 04: 24
      +1
      without knowing the engines of dryers, do not write fabrications. you have your own birds, we have ours.
      1. Netzah Netzah_2
        Netzah Netzah_2 9 May 2018 04: 59
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        I advise you to ask in open sources how much the Su-27 is lost due to the ignition of the AL-31 engine
        1. andrey-ivanov
          andrey-ivanov 9 May 2018 09: 08
          +1
          And how many? It is advisable to give examples of the conclusions of the commissions of inquiry into the crash. A reference please.
          1. vik669
            vik669 10 May 2018 13: 25
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            Well, "commission" does not mean reliable data for the public at the level of builders of agronomists and others who have joined them - as it is correctly said "who scratch it - scratch it in another place" !!!
        2. lance
          lance 9 May 2018 10: 40
          +2
          Al-31FP for you personally specify spontaneously when flying I did not burn even once, it has protection against birds the size of a capercaillie. I am waiting for the overversion, because there are many rumors among the officers and no one believes in birds.
        3. vik669
          vik669 12 May 2018 16: 25
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          I don’t know how it is with you, but what we have on fences is such experts write on fences that it’s better not to go on foot, not to fly!
  37. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 9 May 2018 07: 53
    +1
    There is such a profession, to defend the Motherland! Eternal memory to the Heroes!
  38. Anatoly Yakovlev
    Anatoly Yakovlev 9 May 2018 07: 55
    +1
    sleep guys kingdom you heaven
  39. gorenina91
    gorenina91 9 May 2018 08: 32
    +2
    - It’s strange ... -with such constantly repeated losses of the airborne forces ... -the General Staff .., the military government, state intelligence "of all functions and all directions" of any other state (as you see ...- not Russia) ... - it’s just a long time ago that they’d put it on their ears, shook everything from top to bottom ... -all regarding technological developments, technical production equipment and the very production and assembly of military equipment ... -and they would have discovered and revealed the cause of such a catastrophic accident military aircraft ... -And here it goes on like this ... -only a solid "bright eternal memory" to the dead and ...- everything ... -Well, you can still congratulate everyone on the "new" former prime minister Minister ...
  40. andrey-ivanov
    andrey-ivanov 9 May 2018 09: 04
    +2
    Something a lot of non-combat losses .... Okay, the equipment - they’ll build a new one, but you won’t return the pilots ..
  41. Lucy
    Lucy 9 May 2018 12: 57
    +1
    Quote: Netzah Netzah_2
    Everything is clear with the Su-30

    What is clear? Do you have a video? Do you know what happened after take-off?
    1. Flies
      Flies 9 May 2018 13: 47
      +1
      Apparently we have the same Old?
      Quote: lusya
      Do you know what happened after take-off?
  42. Lucy
    Lucy 9 May 2018 13: 38
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    Quote: Netzah Netzah_2
    ........ Of course, it was at night (9 pm) and suggesting that the ZU-23, that the MANPADS are complicated ...........,


    What's so complicated? Probably the route was over the flat terrain, in the desert. I don’t know what kind of weather this year was around the flight (latitude), the presence of cumulus taking into account the moon phase, and the early detection (by sound) of the coaxial Ka, the use of searchlights to illuminate the CC, you can try your luck. And if in addition to MANPADS there is an NVD, then this is not a problem.
    From practice. Ghazni - KTA somewhere 2200m.
    February 27, 1987 - combat loss of the Mi-24 helicopter. The crew of captain S. Rabko performed the task of covering the Ghazni airfield at night. The helicopter was hit by a MANPADS missile and shot down, the crew died. Flights at night with Mi-24 pairs for cover (from shelling of the RS) were carried out nightly on almost all airs. The use of a searchlight at night (10-15 seconds) to search for a CC and create conditions for launching MANPADS, to the sound after it took off and set above a point, was personally observed during the early spring, with the full moon, and silver cumulus. Therefore, at night, when leaving, I had to carry out the shooting of the LO, before the set of warheads.

  43. dgonni
    dgonni 9 May 2018 14: 03
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    According to the Su-30SM, the name of the second will be published, or how ever? On the plums there, someone wanted to ride. Either a TV person or a certain rank. Which seems to be true.
  44. Mikhail Anokhin_2
    Mikhail Anokhin_2 9 May 2018 16: 14
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    In my couch, the reasons are typical for techies who do their job through their sleeves. Overheated in a hot climate with plenty of alcohol.
    1. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 10 May 2018 09: 39
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      You won’t drink much there. The boss was there on a business trip. There, for the use in a combat situation, not only from Syria, but also from the Russian Armed Forces, you will fly out with a bang. Yes, and the situation, the heat does not have this
      1. vik669
        vik669 12 May 2018 16: 40
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        Yes, when in 1985 in the USSR and specifically in the Air Force, the fight against drunkenness was waged, it was that “Kursk Bulge” and it seemed a little to many (there was still a starfall of stars from shoulder straps). But in general, both the flight and technical personnel knew when and how much - not from the couch I watched and he was in the aviation engineer!
  45. maxbrov74
    maxbrov74 9 May 2018 22: 23
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    There is a war, soldiers are dying. And according to various speculations on this topic, it will be easy to identify internal enemies.
  46. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 9 May 2018 23: 02
    0
    they write off the technical flaw, just as in a civilian the error of the pilots is the same thing, but there is no truth or it is simply difficult to say.
  47. Gnefredov
    Gnefredov 9 May 2018 23: 34
    0
    As long as foreign microprocessors are used in domestic avionics, no one will give a guarantee about the impossibility of remote exposure.
    This is one of the possible explanations for why we are losing the aircraft at an incredible pace.
  48. lopvlad
    lopvlad 9 May 2018 23: 43
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    Aircraft do not fall only where they do not fly, growing the landing gear into the ground. The eternal search for a black cat in a dark room is a futile task, especially when it is not there.
    1. Gnefredov
      Gnefredov 9 May 2018 23: 53
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      All this is so, but since the catastrophe of the board of the MO Tu-154 over the Black Sea, so many questions have arisen that trivial statistics can not escape.
      PS .. all wrong guys ... (s)
  49. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 10 May 2018 09: 36
    0
    Remember, grieve.
  50. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 13 May 2018 20: 31
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    Good memory to the falcons of the Russian Federation.