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Indian media: Russia does not trust China in terms of C-400, and India trusts

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The growing number of publications in the Indian press that the authorities should ignore the anti-Russian sanctions imposed by the United States and acquire the C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems from Russia as soon as possible attracts attention. Another actual call to speed up shipments published in an Indian newspaper Millenium post.


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The Indian Air Force needs Triumph C-400 to achieve parity with China, which has already acquired these complexes. But its acquisition will put India in a greater advantage over Pakistan. Triumph is expected to neutralize Pakistan's short-range nuclear missile Nasr. C-400 can be a turning point for India’s air defense, because even the US and its Western European allies fear this air defense system. The complex was rated as highly developed. weaponinterceptor from the list of missile defense systems. (...) The complex is also able to withstand airplanes that are protected by stealth technology.


Indian media: Russia does not trust China in terms of C-400, and India trusts


The author of the material Barun Das Gupta continues:
As for China, the "Triumph", which he acquired, according to some sources, has radar and missiles with much shorter ranges than those that Russians put in India. Despite the current friendship between the Russian Federation and China, Russians do not seem to trust the Chinese to the fullbecause the latest experience of reverse engineering weapons systems suggests that China intends to produce them independently, violating the intellectual property rights of the country that originally developed the complex.

India is going to buy five Triumphs. Three will be deployed in the West against Pakistan and two in the North against China. Once the transaction is completed, delivery is expected to be completed in four and a half years.
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 5 May 2018 09: 08
    +4
    Indian media: Russia does not trust China in terms of S-400, and India trusts
    And what is the production technology is no longer fundamentally sold in a set? belay Well then, if it’s such a thing, you won’t refuse from the Mig 35th in the appendage? repeat
    1. Teberii
      Teberii 5 May 2018 09: 15
      +1
      I agree, the Chinese themselves will come up with the missiles themselves.
      1. Kaskad
        Kaskad 5 May 2018 09: 21
        +2
        Let the Indians make up their minds, we will even decorate these settings with flowers and we will dance to you "Jimi, Jimi Acha Acha"! We need money ..
      2. URAL72
        URAL72 5 May 2018 10: 11
        +12
        The Chinese have already mastered the technology of afar, how successfully they know only, but they are monopolists in the production of rare earth metals. Now they are not just copying, but also trying to step forward. Only Russian engineering is still ahead of the rest, but there is not enough money for everything. Developed the most necessary. The Americans said about the MiG-25 of the first series: - Russians compensated for the backlog of the electronics field with unique engineering solutions (in their own words).
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 5 May 2018 14: 56
          +5
          Quote: URAL72
          Only Russian engineering is still ahead of the rest, but there is not enough money for everything.

          Tell you about the Russian engineering idea of ​​Arkady Georgievich Shipunov and the history of the creation of the famous "Shell"? Look at your leisure ...

          Strange some kind of shortage of money in Russia, don’t you? belay There are money for bonuses, for worthless houses and residences, for an army of officials and loafers, for media broadcasting by enemy voices. To the army and navy - No.
          Something to choose. You will probably have to tighten the belts on your stomach to avoid tightening the loop on the neck. As the grandfather said:
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 6 May 2018 15: 40
            0
            Quote: ROSS 42
            To the army and navy -

            Are you competent to write, or are you throwing on a fan? what
        2. nikoliski
          nikoliski 6 May 2018 01: 26
          0
          It’s a pity that “Russian engineering thought” doesn’t work in everyday life - even small Korea makes much more reliable cars (I’m silent about household appliances, digital cameras (we don’t have any at all!), Silent air conditioners, economical refrigerators and washing machines, ultra-thin smartphones Samsung with wireless charging and a 3D camera with a resolution higher than that of our reconnaissance aircraft I don’t want to find my own, but unfortunately you won’t be full with daggers, and the South Korean Samsung supplies matrices for almost all devices in the world (and not only for monitors and screens of smartphones, Samsung memory blocks go to RAM to computers and to the memory of video cards, I think it would be better if we had such successes than a lamp Mig-25 ...)
      3. venik
        venik 5 May 2018 13: 43
        0
        Quote: Teberii
        I agree, the Chinese themselves will come up with the missiles themselves.

        =======
        Maybe ..... But so far, they have nothing "really GOOD" out of this yet - It didn’t work out ....
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 5 May 2018 10: 38
      +3
      Quote: Observer2014
      And what is the production technology is no longer fundamentally sold in a set?

      As I have said many times before, the Indians have no choice, as neither Pakistan nor China will wait for them. I am sure that the story of the SU-57 will be the same.
    3. Maz
      Maz 5 May 2018 10: 50
      0
      Yes bullshit, we already have s-500.
    4. helmi8
      helmi8 5 May 2018 22: 57
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      And what is the production technology is no longer fundamentally sold in a set?

      With technology, they wanted the Su-57 ...
  2. gorenina91
    gorenina91 5 May 2018 09: 09
    +2
    - Yes, and here is the "trust" ... -just the Chinese will steal and copy ... -That's all ...
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 5 May 2018 09: 12
      +1
      gorenina91 (Irina)
      And where is the "trust" ... -just the Chinese will steal and copy ... -That's all ...
      Yeah. But to the Indians, at least sell or donate these military technologies, one thing is not, thank God, it will come out.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 5 May 2018 09: 15
        +4
        Interestingly, they themselves understand this? Or is it written just to kick China?
        They need not think about China, but about Pakistan, in which Chinese copies will appear soon.
        1. demo
          demo 5 May 2018 09: 25
          +4
          You are well done. Look at the root.
          And also drive a stake in relations between Russia and China. And thicker.
          And deeper.
          And then reap the benefits of their activities.
          No matter how bloodthirsty it sounds, it is a pity that the British, in the fight against cheap Indian textiles, did not cut off their heads instead of their hands.
          They do not need them anyway.
          This statement was made on the basis of long communication, on the verge of friendship with an Indian who has been living in Russia for the past 20 years.
          A charming nation.
          It all comes down to the Kama Sutra. Especially in business.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 5 May 2018 20: 50
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            Quote: demo
            No matter how bloodthirsty it sounds, but it’s a pity that the British, in the fight against cheap Indian textiles


            This is news to me. sorry, but I don’t understand what you mean. What is cheap indian textile? For the first time I hear.
  3. APASUS
    APASUS 5 May 2018 09: 16
    +6
    In my opinion, the attempt of the Indians to constantly get out something, bargain for years and sit on two chairs plays a cruel joke with the country - they will always be in the role of catching up!
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 5 May 2018 09: 20
      +1
      National character. You can’t argue against nature.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 5 May 2018 09: 21
    +6
    We will watch Bollywood and forget all sorts of troubles!
    What rockets, what technologies, naf and let them sing / dance to the joy of housewives!
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 5 May 2018 09: 39
      +3
      Victor, hi! hi Striped ears seemed to me alone behind the Indians ??? what
      1. Solomon Kane
        Solomon Kane 5 May 2018 10: 31
        +6
        Greetings, Slavs! hi
        Mr. Gupta is very far from knowing the mat. parts of the Russian missile defense, as well as the foreign policy of Russia. He is the same "yellow" as the newspaper in which he works .....
        Clones of our S-400s are already being made, but they remain clones, there is simply no confirmation of the combat characteristics and capabilities of the air defense system that were copied from Russian samples. And if they are, then it is very far from the "original".
        The actions of the air defense system are based on the principles of recognizing "friend or foe", with the subsequent destruction of the target .... "Keys" from such a system are only in the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense, so we can bomb anyone, even those who have acquired the S-400 ....
        So the “Triumph” can be “driven” even by “striped” - if that, he will not save them wink
        1. poquello
          poquello 5 May 2018 11: 18
          +3
          Quote: Solomon Kane
          The actions of the air defense system are based on the principles of recognizing "friend or foe", with the subsequent destruction of the target .... "Keys" from such a system are only in the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense, so we can bomb anyone, even those who have acquired the S-400 ....

          that is, you declare so about the chipiness of our export systems, despite the fact that the only fact of chiping was not with us, but among the bourgeois with aircraft delivered to Iraq
          1. Solomon Kane
            Solomon Kane 5 May 2018 11: 48
            +3
            This is our "insurance policy", in case the "partner" turns into an enemy .....
            And then the conversation is about the defensive system, and not about the tactical ....
            Yes, we are peaceful people, but if that ..... our tactical missile units will "go around" the air defense system of the air defense system.
            Systems of checks and balances are relevant in the global arms export network.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 5 May 2018 11: 21
          +3
          Pash, Konstantin hello soldier
          Striped ears - about our sub? Can we do something else that we don’t know?
          Many aspects in the issue of arms trade !!! many secrets / technologies are flowing like that, Schaub did not say that truncated versions are exported! phrase from a good movie - What one can do, the other can break forever (or copy) !!! -
          Asymmetric, symmetrical answer, it’s not important, but not to sell anything at all, so it’s probably not at all possible!
          About the quality of copies and other other aspects, such as recognition systems, bookmarks in the algorithm of on-board systems and other, other, you can argue .... it's just a constant struggle of the developers of the manufacturer of specific products with those who work against !!! This is an eternal process, whoever is ahead is in chocolate !.
          1. Solomon Kane
            Solomon Kane 5 May 2018 11: 54
            +2
            Chocolate, Victor, hi this is when the ass is warm and in armor ... wink
            For decades, the situation in the world and in politics has taught our designers to maintain a "monopoly on the idea" ..... notice how many technologies have switched to the enemy’s side in the Gorbato-EBN period .... But not a single one of them fully was implemented by the Basurmans ....
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 5 May 2018 13: 38
              +3
              For many businessmen, in chocolate, they are literally milk rivers, all in white and beautiful chicks in CHOCOLATE ... I'm so ironic!
              Symmetrically, not symmetrically, to answer ... from my Soldafon point of view, if they have torn our own, very effective, it is VERY not good, but if they could not tear, but just learned how to counteract effectively, this is not good either!
          2. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 5 May 2018 12: 40
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            Striped ears - about our sub? Can we do something else that we don’t know?

            And about this too, but it seems to me that mattresses are invading India to provoke an aggravation between China and Russia. You understand: this friendship is really not to the mattresses.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 5 May 2018 13: 47
              +2
              There are a lot of sho for mattresses, an Englishwoman ... we passed through our narrow-eyed partners, certainly in the know!
              There are many contradictions, old and new, but arrogant bastards-Saxons have so “annoyed” everyone that only from a very weak mind can one quarrel with natural partners in confrontation against the striped and their henchmen!
  5. Dormidont
    Dormidont 5 May 2018 09: 27
    0
    Already on the day of delivery to India, they will be felt by our Western and Middle Eastern partners
    1. Vard
      Vard 5 May 2018 09: 34
      0
      Well, you’re so categorical ... Hindus will bargain, and only then will they allow anything necessary ... so a couple of months will go away anyway ...
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 May 2018 09: 41
    0
    In China, too, something has not grown together with the S-300 (copying). And they are trying to compete. Well, India is good, and after it is Pakistan ... The conveyor at Almaz-Antey will not stop ...
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 5 May 2018 17: 09
      +2
      Chinese HQ-9, Eugene. In Uzbekistan already stands. The Turks wanted to take it after a tender for an air defense system about 5 years ago, but NATO shook hands. hi
  7. watchmaker
    watchmaker 5 May 2018 09: 46
    +2
    Like it or not, the main thing is that everyone realized that Ros. Weapons are the coolest and hustle after him in line!
    And I think that if Russia can already afford to sell these complexes to such "copy machines" as China, then this means that on the way
    Russia has a steeper complex, many times better than the C 400.
    1. farcop
      farcop 5 May 2018 10: 00
      0
      Quote: watchmaker
      pushing him in line
      When for nothing, then yes, but no.
      1. poquello
        poquello 5 May 2018 11: 11
        0
        Quote: farcop
        Quote: watchmaker
        pushing him in line
        When for nothing, then yes, but no.

        )))) the argument on YouTube in an eggplant with irrefutable accurate known secret evidence
  8. farcop
    farcop 5 May 2018 09: 59
    0
    according to some sources
    I don’t know who invented this preface, but they should have searched on YouTube for eggplant, so they told him about some data.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 May 2018 10: 00
    +1
    ... the Russians do not seem to trust the Chinese fully,
    The Russians finally realized that their appeals did not have a return, which relates mainly to the West (collective). It is strange that the Indians only now realized that the export versions of military equipment always go in truncated form. And the fact that China copies and produces without a license is non-refundable.
  10. URAL72
    URAL72 5 May 2018 10: 03
    +2
    Quote: watchmaker
    Like it or not, the main thing is that everyone realized that Ros. Weapons are the coolest and hustle after him in line!
    And I think that if Russia can already afford to sell these complexes to such "copy machines" as China, then this means that on the way
    Russia has a steeper complex, many times better than the C 400.

    Captain evidence ... Have you heard anything about the S-500?
    1. poquello
      poquello 5 May 2018 11: 07
      0
      Quote: URAL72
      Quote: watchmaker
      Like it or not, the main thing is that everyone realized that Ros. Weapons are the coolest and hustle after him in line!
      And I think that if Russia can already afford to sell these complexes to such "copy machines" as China, then this means that on the way
      Russia has a steeper complex, many times better than the C 400.

      Captain evidence ... Have you heard anything about the S-500?

      but I still assume that the following that Russia will offer to the world in air defense will not be the s500, but the control systems by all means, well, maybe on the basis of the main, but nonetheless
  11. jovanni
    jovanni 5 May 2018 10: 05
    +1
    Despite the current friendship between the Russian Federation and China, the Russians do not seem to trust the Chinese fully

    You cannot fully trust anyone. Unfortunately, even to their own pseudo-liberal government ...
  12. Runoway
    Runoway 5 May 2018 10: 21
    +2
    , from the Mig 35go in the appendage you will not refuse? repeat

    Do not remember him better, sadness is the trouble with him, in fact there is nothing to show the buyer
  13. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 5 May 2018 11: 16
    0
    The Indians, apparently, are ending critical days, and their mood begins to rise.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 5 May 2018 12: 06
      +1
      Quote: sib.ataman
      The Indians, apparently, are ending critical days, and their mood begins to rise.

      Yes, how to say ... laughing
      On April 14 of this year, a 250-tonne Goliath crane collapsed at a GRSE shipyard in Kolkata, India, which collapsed with a frigate under construction that is the lead in the new type 17A of the local Navy. As a result, the ship suffered serious damage, given the weight and dimensions (47 m height, 116 m length) of the fallen equipment. In addition, significant damage was caused to the capacities on which the hulls for frigates of the new series were made. The dry docks, where ships were being built, were blocked. At the same time, victims were avoided. The incident contributed to adverse weather conditions. A gust of wind reached 100 km / h. After the incident, the company’s management tried to hide it, since in the coming days it was necessary to obtain permission for the first ever company listing on the stock exchange. According to Indian experts, the accident will lead to significant changes in the construction time of the series (it is supposed to build 7 units with the delivery of the first frigates in 2022 - 2023), if only for the reason that the production, transportation and installation of a new crane will require at least 30 months.
  14. Lesorub
    Lesorub 5 May 2018 11: 46
    +1
    Indian media: Russia does not trust China in terms of C-400, and India trusts

    They trust, do not trust - they will sell them both, the loot does not smell))
  15. Like this
    Like this 5 May 2018 12: 12
    0
    They will even give Erdogan, that’s not the point. We need to try to sell everything we can, judging by Putin's last term with the company.
  16. Berkut24
    Berkut24 5 May 2018 12: 33
    0
    As for China, the Triumph, which it acquired, according to some reports, has radars and missiles with much shorter ranges than those that the Russians will deliver to India. Despite the current friendship between the Russian Federation and China, the Russians do not seem to trust the Chinese fully

    Hindus naively believe that with their multi-vector approach, Russia trusts them more than China. India will receive a version approved for export. As the others. Russia does not trust anyone, especially in terms of its technology and defense capabilities. Recall the story of the Su-57. Moreover, no allied agreements have been signed with the Indians, either in the economy, in politics, or in the military sphere.
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  18. cradle
    cradle 6 May 2018 11: 32
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    Quote: Kaskad
    Let the Indians make up their minds, we will even decorate these settings with flowers and we will dance to you "Jimi, Jimi Acha Acha"! We need money ..

    Mixed up? We will not dance, but applaud for Jimmy, Jimmy acha acha ... well, to distinguish.