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Lenin's mausoleum is again sheathed with plywood for May 9. Correct solution? Poll

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To sheathe Lenin's Mausoleum to 9 May - the right decision?

Yes - 687 (17.07%)
17.07%
No - 3338 (82.93%)
82.93%
Moscow is preparing to host the main parade of the year - the Victory Parade, timed to coincide with the 73rd anniversary of the defeat of Nazi troops. IN the news have already discussed new samples of military equipment that will pass (pass / will be transported) on Red Square. These are unmanned aerial vehicles, the latest in arctic colors, and much more.


However, there is a question that needs separate discussion. Moreover, the relevance of this issue is connected with the systematic statements of individual authorities that it is inappropriate and dangerous to engage in rewriting stories. If it is dangerous to engage in this kind of activity, then how to explain annual events, in which one of the most recognizable objects of Red Square is sheathed with sheets of plywood with patriotic slogans and paintings of the Great Victory. This, of course, about Lenin's mausoleum.

Lenin's mausoleum is again sheathed with plywood for May 9. Correct solution? Poll


It is possible to relate to the figure of Lenin himself as you please, but it is at least strange to try to “cover up” the mausoleum for several days a year. It is possible to treat the most Bolshevik period in history in different ways, but the fact is that the politburo did not even roll at the peak of the so-called "stagnation" to plywood and boards, for example, the Pokrovsky Cathedral (Victory Basil the Blessed) or even the Kremlin towers - because they like had a direct relationship to the "history of Tsarism" in the country.

The mausoleum is a grave, many say. But the grave is the Kremlin wall. Does she also need to be blocked?

Or is the closure of the “outside observers” of the mausoleum on Red Square - an expedient solution that aims to “not disturb” the people with politically incorrect types? If so, then why isn't the USSR coat of arms closed on the building of the State Duma?

On this occasion, we offer our readers to express their opinion on whether it is necessary to close Lenin's mausoleum from the eyes of the people by May 9 or not.
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  1. Dimontius
    Dimontius 1 May 2018 11: 00
    +36
    There is nothing to look at the grave on such a beautiful spring holiday. All with May Day! drinks
    1. Logall
      Logall 1 May 2018 11: 02
      +156
      And the fact that the Red Army in the attack shouted "for Lenin, for Stalin, for the homeland" does not mean anything to you?
      This story. Our history! And the parade of the 45th year was held near the mausoleum ...
      1. Dimontius
        Dimontius 1 May 2018 11: 04
        +40
        but they clearly did not shout "for the mausoleum"!
        1. Logall
          Logall 1 May 2018 11: 05
          +76
          Lenin needs to be buried, not pounded up with plywood!
          Bury the leader, and leave the mausoleum as a monument to our history!
          1. Thrall
            Thrall 1 May 2018 11: 09
            +78
            There would be no Lenin - there would be no Stalin. If there were no Stalin, there would be no Putin ...
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 1 May 2018 11: 33
              +55
              Quote: Thrall
              There would be no Lenin - there would be no Stalin. If there were no Stalin, there would be no Putin ...

              - And what is logic?
              - I'll explain now. do you have matches
              - Well, there is.
              “So you smoke.” And if you smoke, then you drink. If you drink, then there is money.
              If you have money, then you’re hanging out with the girls. And since you’re hanging out with girls, it’s not impotent.
              Is it logical
              - Huh. cool! - I was glad and went home, pleased.
              On the way, I met a friend.
              - Do you want me to tell you what logic is?
              - Well?
              - Do you have matches?
              - Nope.
              “So you're impotent.”

              Do you think Stalin’s merit is Putin’s appearance, right? Yes, Stalin in a coffin is turned over from Putin’s actions! This is because with his (Putin's) knowledge the plywood was closed with the Mausoleum!
              The cognitive dissonance. Most of those who voted for Putin oppose many decisions of their chosen one! In particular, against the decision to cover the plywood with the Lenin Mausoleum.
              1. Thrall
                Thrall 1 May 2018 11: 36
                +7
                Quote: Stas157
                What does Putin have to do with it?

                L is the logic
                D - dialectics.
                hi
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 1 May 2018 12: 42
                  +26
                  To hide the inscription "LENIN" when everyone knows about it is silly, but is perceived by many as an insult. Therefore, you can not close.
                  Another question is that in the central square of the country there is no place for a cemetery. For an honorable burial of the bodies of the best representatives of the country, another place should be allocated, not far from Red Square, but not directly on it. There, too, the Lenin Mausoleum should be transferred. In the meantime, it is in its current place, it is impossible to close.
                  1. Inok10
                    Inok10 1 May 2018 13: 38
                    +18
                    Quote: Shurik70
                    To hide the inscription "LENIN" when everyone knows about it is silly, but is perceived by many as an insult. Therefore, you can not close.

                    ... another attempt by the "neocommunists" to promote on the theme of Victory Day in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-145 ... dirty ... We celebrate Victory Daybut don’t honor V.I. Lenin that day ...
                    Quote: Shurik70
                    Another question is that in the central square of the country there is no place for a cemetery. For an honorable burial of the bodies of the best representatives of the country, another place should be allocated, not far from Red Square, but not directly on it. There, too, the Lenin Mausoleum should be transferred. In the meantime, it is in its current place, it is impossible to close.

                    ... do not touch the mausoleum and the body of V.I. Lenin ... this is part of the story, whatever it may be ... you should not be likened to the communists who demolished temples ...
                    1. weksha50
                      weksha50 1 May 2018 14: 53
                      +24
                      Quote: Inok10
                      We celebrate Victory Day, and do not honor V.I. Lenin on this day ..


                      On the main square of the country ... the mausoleum of which is included in its single architectural ensemble ...
                      And there is no reason ... There is absolutely no reason - to close the mausoleum ...
                      Unless for the new offspring, neophytes, to whom this mausoleum, as well as Red Square itself, will not talk about anything ...
                      I have in mind offspring brought up in the form of "vanes that do not remember kinship" ...
                  2. kasatky
                    kasatky 1 May 2018 14: 24
                    +22
                    Why is there no place for a cemetery? What is bad memory?
                    Passed along the Kremlin wall - honored the memory of prominent people of the century. All at once and in one place. I remembered their exploits and their mistakes in edifying himself and his descendants.
                    In general, in Russia, wherever you go, a cemetery. Everything is watered with the blood of ancestors. And this, I hope, is not a vain sacrifice.
                  3. Turkestan
                    Turkestan 1 May 2018 16: 00
                    +25
                    Dear Alexander
                    You need to know and respect the history of your native country. Since the 17th century, graveyards existed near the Kremlin wall. On the territory of the Kremlin, the remains of kings and clergy are still buried. Near the St. Basil's Cathedral there are also burial places of past centuries. Near the Kremlin wall there is a mass grave where several hundred soldiers who died in 4 are buried. Both the Mausoleum of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin and the Honorary Necropolis near the Kremlin wall were accepted for state protection in accordance with the Decree of the Council of Ministers of the RSFSR of December 1974, 20 and the decree of the President of the country of February 1995, XNUMX. Please note: by decree issued already under the current government. These historical monuments are included in the UNESCO World Heritage List. Attempts to redraw the historical appearance of Red Square have political reasons and can only lead to destabilization of our society.

                    The law of the Russian Federation “On burial and funeral business” provides: if there is no testament of the deceased to rest in a particular cemetery and there is no consent of relatives about the reburial, his remains should remain buried in the same place. Attempts to prove that there will be a testament that VI Lenin would be buried in the Volkovo cemetery are unsuccessful.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 1 May 2018 23: 44
                      0
                      You need to know and respect the history of your native country. Since the XNUMXth century, graveyards existed near the Kremlin wall.

                      Well .. you need to know the story, but you don’t need to go into insanity either. It was a common practice .... for the Middle Ages. Then really cemeteries, especially for prominent people, were made within the city, and already not that big — practically in the center. But this does not mean that we must continue to do the same.

                      Another thing is that the cemetery near the Kremlin wall and in it it is also an element of culture, and not the last representatives of our people are buried there. And there is nothing wrong with honoring their memory in this way.
                  4. Captain Pushkin
                    Captain Pushkin 1 May 2018 16: 08
                    +10
                    Quote: Shurik70
                    To hide the inscription "LENIN" when everyone knows about it is silly, but is perceived by many as an insult. Therefore, you can not close.
                    Another question is that in the central square of the country there is no place for a cemetery. For an honorable burial of the bodies of the best representatives of the country, another place should be allocated, not far from Red Square, but not directly on it. There, too, the Lenin Mausoleum should be transferred. In the meantime, it is in its current place, it is impossible to close.

                    And the burial from St. Basil’s Church, which on Red Square, is also "moved" somewhere?
                  5. armourer
                    armourer 1 May 2018 16: 28
                    +1
                    This is what I do not approve of the cemetery in the square; everyone needs to be reburied. But historical architecture cannot be dismantled, let alone a mausoleum
                    1. Captain Pushkin
                      Captain Pushkin 1 May 2018 17: 55
                      +8
                      Quote: armourer
                      This is what I do not approve of the cemetery in the square; everyone needs to be reburied. But historical architecture cannot be dismantled, let alone a mausoleum

                      Or maybe it’s a little different to relate to Red Square and not to organize concerts, dances and parties on it?
                      Where is the guarantee that you don’t want to organize parties in any cemetery? Tear it down too because you are attracted to buzz and have fun at this place?
                      1. armourer
                        armourer 1 May 2018 22: 16
                        0
                        Do not write nonsense!
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                    1. Captain Pushkin
                      Captain Pushkin 1 May 2018 17: 58
                      +11
                      Quote: INVESTOR
                      In my opinion, everyone has already decided that Lenin should be given a mummy to Lukashenka ..

                      Who "decided"? Let's better arrange a vote about your mummy as a gift to someone
                      1. INVESTOR
                        INVESTOR 1 May 2018 18: 44
                        +1
                        The topic was already discussed a year ago, the decision is unanimous.
                    2. Sergey ippon
                      Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 19: 59
                      +4
                      go over your holiday with santa claus.
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                  4. michell
                    michell 1 May 2018 13: 27
                    +5
                    Quote: Stas157
                    "Screwed up" is you, and not only today! And I already answered this question under the article where it was discussed. But no! You brought it here! Why are you doing flood? All the same, you are some kind of base type, with a wounded pride.

                    After introducing the minuses on the site, the Marshall stars of the Strugatsky lover will soon be decorated with pirate paraphernalia ... yes
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 13: 39
                      +7
                      Quote: michell
                      After introducing the minuses on the site, the Marshall stars of the Strugatsky lover will soon be decorated with pirate paraphernalia ...

                      Dreams, dreams ... by the way, I am also very much for returning this useful, ahem, functionality to the site yes
                      By the way, in those days there was a marvelous feature - some amateurs got a bit of a hassle: half the rating down and ban for a bit there.
                      Interestingly, this feature will also be restored? wink
                      1. Inok10
                        Inok10 1 May 2018 13: 57
                        +8
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Dreams, dreams ... by the way, I am also very much for returning this useful, ahem, functionality to the site

                        ... all natives with two hands - FOR! ... hi
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        By the way, in those days there was a marvelous feature - some amateurs got a bit of a hassle: half the rating down and ban for a bit there.

                        ... There were good times ... but, what kind of contingent was it on the resource ?! ... reading was a pleasure, knowledge of the materiel was exceptional ...
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Interestingly, this feature will also be restored?

                        ... well, if the minuses are returned, then I think yes ... so that the "one-button" ones would not be greyhounds ...
              3. brick
                brick 1 May 2018 12: 04
                +4
                They pissed you at the entrance, sorry. And it seemed that Putin himself did it. It is so ?
                1. LSA57
                  LSA57 1 May 2018 12: 22
                  +19
                  Quote: brick
                  They pissed you at the entrance, sorry. And it seemed that Putin himself did it. It is so ?

                  Well, who else?
              4. Andrey K
                Andrey K 1 May 2018 12: 12
                +9
                Quote: Stas157
                ...The cognitive dissonance. Most of those who voted for Putin oppose many decisions of their chosen one! In particular, against the decision to cover the plywood with the Lenin Mausoleum ...

                Colleague, have you considered this majority against the skin?
                For the unburied mummy on Red Square, there are the remains of fanatics who even poorly represent the meaning of the word “communism”.
                Those who voted for Putin clearly do not belong to them.
                1. Nikolai Petrov
                  Nikolai Petrov 1 May 2018 13: 09
                  +40
                  Dear, is it not thanks to how you said the mummies that your ancestors received a free education, were treated for free in hospitals and raised you? As you read the comments, well, the “boyars and nobles” have gathered here and hatefully hate Lenin, Stalin, and their country that fed them.
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                  2. Sergey ippon
                    Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 01
                    +2
                    well said.
                    +
                  3. hdgs
                    hdgs 2 May 2018 00: 42
                    +3
                    Quote: Nikolai Petrov
                    Your ancestors received a free education, in hospitals they were treated for free

                    Free cheese happens only in a mousetrap.
                    It is strange that there are still individuals who lie in the free Soviet "gingerbread".
                    Quote: Nikolai Petrov
                    turned and fiercely hate Lenin, Stalin

                    There is a reason.
                    Quote: Nikolai Petrov
                    and their country that fed them

                    Did it ever occur to you that their parents "fed" them? In a country alien to them.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2018 08: 33
                      +4
                      Quote: hdgs
                      It is strange that there are still individuals who lie in the free Soviet "gingerbread"

                      Lord, when will you start teaching history?
                      1. hdgs
                        hdgs 2 May 2018 08: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        when will you start to learn history?

                        I know her. And even you and your kind can teach.
                        And you? What do you know besides a set of Soviet agitation and stamps?
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2018 08: 55
                        +3
                        hdgs,

                        Quote: hdgs
                        hdgs Today, 07:39 ↑
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        when will you start to learn history?
                        I know her. And even you and your kind can teach.
                        And you? What do you know besides a set of Soviet agitation and stamps?


                        well, what about your knowledge, absolutely all the social concessions in the cap countries were made, and without these slacks you would have injected 10 hours now without holidays of sick leave and other "free" pleasures
                        this is not to mention the complete backwardness of the Republic of Ingushetia in every sense
                      3. hdgs
                        hdgs 2 May 2018 09: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        absolutely all social concessions in the cap countries were made, and without these slacks you would have been injected for 10 hours now without holidays of sick leave and other "free" pleasures

                        And where does the USSR? He has already been 26 years old, but not, and sluts there are growing and growing. You are not friends with logic, unfortunately. And unnecessarily zombified by Soviet stamps.
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        this is not to mention the complete backwardness of the Republic of Ingushetia in every sense

                        Russia in 1913 was at least third-rate, but a power. Moreover, in 1918, she had a real chance to become a second-rate power following the results of WWII.
                        But it did not happen, the Bolsheviks did not. Destroying it and turning it into a "skirting monster", which only pathos dubbed itself a power. But a power is not only a nuclear weapon. It is with Pakistan from the North. Korea is. And what are the powers?
                        No, the USSR has never been a power in its history. Even third-rate, the level of Russia in 1913 because he did not have a minimum set of signs of power. In addition to nuclear weapons, and this condition is insufficient.
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              5. Vanek
                Vanek 1 May 2018 12: 31
                +4
                Stas. It is not necessary to wear matches in order to light.

                A joke is not a definition of logic.
              6. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 1 May 2018 13: 11
                +17
                Quote: Stas157
                The cognitive dissonance. Most of those who voted for Putin oppose many decisions of their chosen one!

                Two questions.
                1. Are you sure that the majority voted for Putin?
                2. Are you sure that all Putin’s decisions were made in the interests of the majority?
                belay what repeat request
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 1 May 2018 13: 20
                  +23
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Two questions.
                  1. Are you sure that the majority voted for Putin?

                  Not sure. On the Internet everything is AGAINST, but on TV everything is FOR. Who to believe? Even on our website, on this island of Zaputintsev in the sea of ​​Internet, the vote for Putin or for Grudinin did not coincide with the “crushing” score that VTsIOM showed us.
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  2. Are you sure that all Putin’s decisions were made in the interests of the majority?

                  I am sure that all Putin’s decisions were made in the interests of the minority, those to whom all the wealth in Russia belongs.
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 1 May 2018 14: 07
                    +3
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Not sure. On the Internet everything is AGAINST

                    it in what you against ?? in social networks FOR.
                    I’m constantly in Odnoklassniki, ALL polls and now, FOR
                    I personally watched in the Internet for the site where I voted. from those whom I recognized from acquaintances and friends, and not a few of them, I lived here all my life, asked. FOR PUTIN !!!
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 1 May 2018 18: 26
                      +6
                      Quote: LSA57
                      it in what you against ?? in social networks FOR.
                      I’m constantly in Odnoklassniki, ALL polls and now, FOR

                      I'm not even registered in Odnoklassniki. House 2 in miniature! Look YouTube, facebook, facebook ... anything! Everywhere the same thing, the Guarantor, to put it mildly, do not favor.
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 2 May 2018 01: 23
                        0
                        Quote: Stas157
                        YouTube, facebook, facebook ..

                        look at who they belong to and understand why they do not like GDP there. more precisely why he has such a rating.
                        as they say, it doesn’t matter how they vote, it matters how they think
                    2. Sergey ippon
                      Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 03
                      +1
                      Yes sir !
                      you already have 76 pluses out of a hundred)?
                2. Dead duck
                  Dead duck 1 May 2018 13: 28
                  +5
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  1. Are you sure that the majority voted for Putin?

                  we are not even sure that survey visualization reflects reality request
                  not to mention Putin ...
                3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2018 08: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Are you sure that the majority voted for Putin?

                  yes no of course the majority voted with Ksyushad, and the results were rigged
              7. Dead duck
                Dead duck 1 May 2018 13: 21
                +6
                Quote: Stas157
                - I'll explain now. do you have matches
                - Well, there is.

                These are fantasies, but the fact that there was Lenin and Stalin is a fact!
                And what happened to them is undeniable.
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            2. Nikolay Fedorov
              Nikolay Fedorov 1 May 2018 11: 34
              +35
              Quote: Thrall
              There would be no Lenin - there would be no Stalin. If there were no Stalin, there would be no Putin ...

              If there were no Stalin, there would be no Russia today.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 1 May 2018 11: 43
                +8
                Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                If there were no Stalin, there would be no Russia today.

                and the people stood aside and poked in the nose? belay
                1. Nikolay Fedorov
                  Nikolay Fedorov 1 May 2018 12: 57
                  +19
                  Quote: LSA57
                  Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                  If there were no Stalin, there would be no Russia today.

                  and the people stood aside and poked in the nose? belay

                  There are few cases in world history when wonderful powerful nations have gone into oblivion, because their leaders were not the same.
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 1 May 2018 13: 25
                    +6
                    Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                    when the wonderful powerful nations went into oblivion, because their leaders were not the same.

                    I completely agree with you. USSR example
                    but the people stayed
                2. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 1 May 2018 13: 41
                  +14
                  Quote: LSA57
                  Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                  If there were no Stalin, there would be no Russia today.

                  and the people stood aside and poked in the nose? belay

                  A people without a leader is an uncontrollable herd of sheep. And only with a good leader does a people become a force capable of solving any tasks.
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 1 May 2018 14: 09
                    +2
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    And only with a good leader does a people become a force capable of solving any tasks.

                    so they decided. where is the USSR? But all the faithful Leninists.
                    walked the right way
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 1 May 2018 14: 29
                      +10
                      Quote: LSA57

                      so they decided. where is the USSR? But all the faithful Leninists.
                      walked the right way

                      And without juggling you can not? Was it about Lenin? Under him, the people solved the problem of incredible proportions. A hunchback came and the people lost everything that they had won under Lenin. Not? This is extra evidence for you about the role of the individual in the historical process.
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 1 May 2018 15: 01
                        +3
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        A hunchback came and the people lost everything that they had won under Lenin. Not?

                        where did he come from ??? who made him like that ??? people had nothing to do with this. people stayed, but no system
                        This is an example of the vicious system that Ilyich created. let's remember a little story.
                        Stalin. praises day and night.
                        died
                        It turns out he was a criminal. this was told to us by the one who sat in his place. such a bald one. I hated America, but send my memoirs there to send. praises day and night
                        took off
                        it turns out he was no better. This is a browed multi-star hero told us. praises day and night
                        nothing to say about the other two, they didn’t really do anything. not good, not bad.
                        came tagged. praises day and night
                        it turned out that we did not live, there was stagnation. accelerated and rebuilt so that they lost the country.
                        the drunk came. praises day and night. result on the face.
                        note that all were communists. EVERYTHING grew out of a system created by Lenin Stalin.
                        Stalin, daughter fled to America
                        Khrushchev, son in America. and so on. but these PERSONALITIES taught us (and correctly) that there is an enemy. children of enemies, or children of enemies?
                        but the people, in spite of everything over them, remained experiments. so who is eternal, PEOPLE, or those who mocked him?
                      2. hdgs
                        hdgs 2 May 2018 00: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Under him, the people solved the problem of incredible proportions.

                        Shooted millions of his compatriots, turning a second-rate country in general into a complete beggarly and starving sucks?
                        Yes, the great "task" was solved under Ulyanov.
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        the people have lost everything that they conquered under Lenin.

                        But what about the "conquests under Ulyanov" in more detail possible?
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                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 1 May 2018 16: 26
                      +8
                      Quote: RUSS
                      For the whole nation, don’t speak, if you are a sheep, it doesn’t mean that everyone is like that.

                      Have you tried to read Le Bon? Plutarch, Machiaveli? Not?
                      Well then of course you are not a ram. You are the light of mind and wisdom.
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                  3. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 16: 15
                    +2
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    People without a leader - an uncontrollable herd of sheep

                    Burn napalm.
                    A plus campaign, candidates for leaders negative
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 1 May 2018 16: 44
                      +13
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      People without a leader - an uncontrollable herd of sheep

                      Burn napalm.
                      A plus campaign, candidates for leaders negative

                      Roma, how can I, I don’t ram, explain my very simple idea?
                      Let's try on the fingers. Now the Crimean bridge is being built. Imagine for a moment that all the leaders of the construction site have gone somewhere, is that crowd of construction workers who are literate, intelligent, professional people in their own right, will they build a bridge?
                      Even illiterate peasants, gathering in the “latrine industry”, in winter, when agricultural work was completed, they made up an artel and, in order not to be an unorganized flock of sheep, they chose an elder, i.e. - leader. But you probably won’t understand this, you probably didn’t hold anything heavier than a spoon in your hands.
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 1 May 2018 17: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        here is that crowd of construction workers who are literate, intelligent, professional people in their own right, will they build a bridge?

                        and here the leaders appeared, but competent specialists disappeared.
                        a flock of sheep appeared in their place.
                        Well, what bridge will it be?
                      2. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 17: 03
                        +3
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk

                        You still explain to me the principle of the division of labor, otherwise I ... not in the subject laughing
                  4. hdgs
                    hdgs 2 May 2018 00: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    A people without a leader is an uncontrollable herd of sheep.

                    Certainly.
                    It is also true that in successful countries, people have long been gone. There are nations. And this is a great force, which does not particularly need leaders.
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 3 May 2018 09: 01
                      0
                      Quote: hdgs
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      A people without a leader is an uncontrollable herd of sheep.

                      Certainly.
                      It is also true that in successful countries, people have long been gone. There are nations. And this is a great force, which does not particularly need leaders.

                      Seven nannies have a child without an eye. Until one of the nannies is made elder, responsible for the child. And this nanny will drive the remaining six nannies and everything will be in order with the child. In any, even the smallest business, you need a leader. The one on whom all responsibility for the cause is. And no pompous words about a nation that does not need leaders will save the nation, people, citizens, etc. from confusion and reeling without a leader.
                      1. hdgs
                        hdgs 3 May 2018 18: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Seven nannies have a child without an eye. Until one of the nannies is made elder, responsible for the child.

                        The fact of the matter is that in bourgeois society there are no "children". Therefore, they do not need "nannies".
                        I wrote to you, bourgeois society, this is a developed society. Those. consisting of "matured" individuals. And not from the "children."
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        In any, even the smallest business, you need a leader.

                        Someone by the word leader means "coordinator". And someone, the overseer. Everywhere is different. About the same thing, by the way, with the word "president".
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        And no pompous words about a nation that does not need leaders will save the nation, people, citizens, etc. from confusion and reeling without a leader.

                        Even somehow they have been saving for several centuries. And nothing. Still alive of all living things.
                        And vice versa, “a people armed with the most advanced idea in the world and with the most brilliant minds of their time at the head” lasted only 64 years. Does this seem strange to you?
                3. Sergey ippon
                  Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 05
                  +5
                  people and soldiers were from all peoples, Poles, French, and they all prokekali for a couple of weeks in the second world.
                  But we had Stalin, and people knew that their country wasn’t fat stores.
                  1. hdgs
                    hdgs 2 May 2018 00: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: Sergey Ippon
                    Poles, French, and they all prokekali for a couple of weeks in World War II.
                    But we had Stalin, and people knew that their country wasn’t fat stores.

                    The main winners of Germany and their losses in 2 MB:
                    France - 665 thousand people
                    Britain - 380 thousand people.
                    USA - 417 thousand people.
                    USSR - 42000 thousand people.
                    So who poked something?
                    1. Sergey ippon
                      Sergey ippon 2 May 2018 13: 37
                      +1
                      you bastard-in concentration camps how many of our people were killed from the union?
                      they burned, poisoned with gases, shot them, and what would happen if they lost the war to the Nazi scum?
                      I think 2-3 times then there would be more victims.
                      1. hdgs
                        hdgs 2 May 2018 13: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Sergey Ippon
                        you bastard

                        Are you talking to yourself in front of the mirror? Didn't tell a special doctor about this? Not? It's time.
                        Quote: Sergey Ippon
                        But what would happen if the Nazi scum lost the war?

                        Did you win her? Learn Russian, and then realize the difference between the words “won” and “won”.
                        Quote: Sergey Ippon
                        I think

                        No, don’t. You will not make it.
                4. Yu-81
                  Yu-81 2 May 2018 07: 42
                  +2
                  There are people now. Only great accomplishments of the people are possible with a strong leader. That was precisely what Lenin and Stalin were.

                  Well, if you think that this is not so, then be so kind as to enlighten us about the great achievements of our people over the past 5-6 decades.
                  1. hdgs
                    hdgs 2 May 2018 08: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: yu-xnumx
                    There are people now.

                    That’s the trouble.
                    Quote: yu-xnumx
                    That was precisely what Lenin and Stalin were.

                    Do you want to call their deeds "great"? Then I will remind you of a certain Shiklgruber nicknamed Hitler.
                    1. Yu-81
                      Yu-81 2 May 2018 15: 49
                      +2
                      Yes, I called them great. Only a person who is not capable of elementary comparative analysis and knows the history of his country from Western propaganda can deny this fact.
                      Reminders about Hitler do not need me. Stalin and Lenin have nothing in common with this figure.
                      1. hdgs
                        hdgs 2 May 2018 15: 53
                        +2
                        Quote: yu-xnumx
                        Yes, I called them great. Only a person who is not capable of elementary comparative analysis and knows the history of his country from Western propaganda can deny this fact.

                        Apparently you do not quite understand the meaning of the word "great." Here we take two cannibals. One ate 1 person, and the other, 10. Which second one do you think is great? Or bloodthirsty, as it is considered in adequate people?
                        Quote: yu-xnumx
                        Reminders about Hitler do not need me. Stalin and Lenin have nothing in common with this figure.

                        Are you sure about this?
                5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2018 08: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: LSA57
                  and the people stood aside

                  well, not in the nose, but
                  Gorbachev was in the USSR and the USSR disappeared, and in China, Deng Xiaoping
                  that is, it turns out that with incompetent leaders the people are even the greatest, I'm sorry, but ...
              2. hdgs
                hdgs 2 May 2018 00: 44
                +1
                Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                If there were no Stalin, there would be no Russia today.

                Yes, the country would be much richer. And the population in it would probably be 2 times more. And even more.
            3. sabakina
              sabakina 1 May 2018 12: 08
              +7
              Quote: Thrall
              There would be no Lenin - there would be no Stalin. If there were no Stalin, there would be no Putin ...

              Thrall hi with May Day! Yes, I think, and we would not be ...
            4. just exp
              just exp 1 May 2018 12: 26
              +6
              there would be no Lenin. Stalin would not be needed.
              Lenin is the bulk of those times. only a little smarter.
              for we are very stupid against the background of the form.
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 1 May 2018 12: 49
                +27
                Quote: just EXPL
                there would be no Lenin. Stalin would not be needed. Lenin is the bulk of those times. only a little smarter. for we are very stupid against the background of the form.
                I can’t imagine bulk with a saber galloping, galloping at the White Guard machine guns ....
                Secondly, the words of the great writer Herbert Wells inspire confidence more than your post.
                “The fact is that Lenin, who, as a true Marxist, rejects all the“ utopians ”, ultimately fell into utopia, the utopia of electrification. He does everything in his power to create large power plants in Russia that will give whole provinces the energy for lighting, transport and industry. He said that two districts have already been electrified as an experiment. Can you imagine a more daring project in this huge plain, forested country, inhabited by illiterate peasants, deprived of water sources without technically competent people in which trade and industry are almost extinct?
                Herbert Wells "Russia in the Dark" 1920

                “Now, looking at my book, written fourteen years ago, recalling the events of that time and comparing Lenin with other famous people whom I knew, I begin to understand what an outstanding and significant historical figure he was. I am not a supporter of the theory of the exclusive role of "great people in the life of mankind, but if we talk about the great representatives of our kind, I must admit that Lenin was at least a really great man."

                HG Wells "The Experience of Autobiography"
                1. Xfgfq
                  Xfgfq 1 May 2018 13: 15
                  +7
                  Vyacheslav, you are looking at the root. Happy first drinks
                  1. sabakina
                    sabakina 1 May 2018 13: 21
                    +6
                    Privet Chapayu! hi drinks I don’t advise swimming, the water is still cold
                    1. Nikolay Fedorov
                      Nikolay Fedorov 1 May 2018 15: 31
                      +1
                      Quote: sabakina
                      Privet Chapayu! hi drinks I don’t advise swimming, the water is still cold

                      Just heard on Retro-FM from a listener from the Sea of ​​Azov "the water is just awesome!"
                      1. Nikolay Fedorov
                        Nikolay Fedorov 1 May 2018 15: 53
                        +3
                        Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                        Quote: sabakina
                        Privet Chapayu! hi drinks I don’t advise swimming, the water is still cold

                        Just heard on Retro-FM from a listener from the Sea of ​​Azov "the water is just awesome!"

                        He looked a second time, had to laugh at himself. Well, I didn’t notice at once somehow who was advised not to swim because of the cold water. I would Chapay generally advised never to swim.
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2018 08: 37
                0
                Quote: just explo
                there would be no Lenin. I wouldn’t need Stalin

                and what would not be Lenin ?!
                1. hdgs
                  hdgs 2 May 2018 09: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  and what would not be Lenin ?!

                  Unknown The October reactionary coup would have been anyway, it was not Ulyanov who made it, but Bronstein. That’s what would happen next ...
                  Maybe there would be no nightmare of socialist councils. And maybe it would be. This is from the realm of fortune telling.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2018 12: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: hdgs
                    Maybe there would be no nightmare of socialist councils. And maybe it would be. This is from the realm of fortune telling.

                    Well, if you consider what was already by October 17, then there would be little good
                    1. hdgs
                      hdgs 2 May 2018 12: 41
                      +1
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      well, given what was already by October 17

                      Oh!. But what was bad by October 17?
                      Except perhaps the armed gang of the Bolsheviks in Petrograd.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2018 16: 06
                        +1
                        in google and Yandex banned?
            5. PFT
              PFT 1 May 2018 12: 58
              +9
              Quote: Thrall
              There would be no Lenin - there would be no Stalin. If there were no Stalin, there would be no Putin ...

              There would be no Lenin, there would be no 100 years of nightmare for Russia.
              1. Xfgfq
                Xfgfq 1 May 2018 13: 22
                +18
                You betrayed the great historian wassat So Lenin made the first revolution in Russia in 1905-1906? Lenin began the first world war, where millions of Russian soldiers died? Lenin made a revolution in 1917 and renounced the tsar from power? Lenin began the Second World War - a direct consequence of the results of the First World War, etc.? fool
                No, I certainly recognize the greatness of Lenin, but so much so? what
                1. NG inform
                  NG inform 1 May 2018 14: 14
                  0
                  That's who Putin learned from.
                2. just exp
                  just exp 1 May 2018 20: 25
                  +1
                  so is Poroshenko staged a maidan in 2004?
                  So did Poroshenko give the order to start the massacre in the Donbass?
                  so this powder started maidan in 2013?
                  or were the Americans doing all this and the powder was just a pawn at the mattresses?
                  so was Lenin — or was it Lenin himself who sealed his carriage? or did Lenin let himself pass across the border in a sealed train car? Or was it Lenin sabotaged by the hands of Russian generals the orders of the tsar?
                  Lenin is also just a pawn in the hands of more serious forces.
                  and Stalin wrested Russia from these forces. that is why liberals pour slop on Stalin. and they are silent about Lenin, in which the people were killed many times more. just under Lenin Russia became theirs, and under Stalin they did everything that they did with the Russian people.
                3. hdgs
                  hdgs 2 May 2018 01: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: Xfgfq
                  will it begin? Did Lenin arrange the first revolution in Russia in 1905-1906?

                  But what, then, was there any kind of revolution?
                  Why are you retelling the obvious nonsense behind the Bolsheviks?
                  Quote: Xfgfq
                  Lenin began the first world war, where millions of Russian soldiers died?

                  About the so-called Recall the "Civil War" launched by the Bolsheviks?
                  Remind me of the famine of the 20s organized by the Bolsheviks?
                  Quote: Xfgfq
                  Lenin began the Second World War - a direct consequence of the results of the First World War, etc.?

                  2MV did not start Ulyanov. But his efforts Russia died in the late 10s. And where was the USSR created by his friend Dzhugashvili in 1939, where was he? Remind me?
                  But Russia without the Bolsheviks at that time would definitely be in alliance with the French and the British against the Germans. As it was during the 1MB. And this would not allow the Germans to turn around as they turned around in real life.
                  1. NG inform
                    NG inform 3 May 2018 21: 17
                    -1
                    The Bolsheviks did not start a civil war, they did not need it. This is a claim from the category: you are guilty of the fact that I want to eat.
                    About hunger - just nonsense.
                    Without the Bolsheviks, Russia would hardly exist, they were the most democratic and cultural forces in the country, without them there would have been no industrialization (see Poland), and without it the Germans would have definitely destroyed us.
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                      1. NG inform
                        NG inform 4 May 2018 01: 17
                        0
                        > Ie. they did not carry out an armed seizure of power?
                        Xs, what was the armed capture there - Kerensky himself escaped, and even when in the country anarchy (two authorities - not power), its capture is not something reprehensible. They could, they took. Well done.
                        > Or do you think that the seizure of this power would not have caused armed resistance to their violence?
                        Well, that is, that they all tried to kill them - it’s ok, but how they answered - it’s right away: what for us ??? I understand that you are from Ukraine?
                        > This is a story about the fact that if the Red Army surrendered in June 1941, there would be no war.
                        Well done, only you expressed the German point of view that if not for the Red Army (communists) would have shown no resistance, they would have been quietly killed and there would have been peace (there would have been no citizen). But in fact, the Bolsheviks were opposed by a much larger beast, such as the same Kornilov, who, unlike the Bolsheviks, was generally non-contact.
                        > Indeed, do millions of victims of hunger for some have any meaning?
                        The hunger in the Republic of Ingushetia was a constant thing, the war and its ruin made it absolutely inevitable, even under the tsar it was clear that it was inevitable - therefore, the surplus detachment even before the Bolsheviks began.
                        > Somehow it existed for centuries before them, and nothing.
                        Well, Jews have lived in Europe for centuries, and you look - if it weren’t for their commies, they would not be guaranteed.
                        I'm not saying that after the Second World War there was a real maze that the United States would become the undisputed dominator on the planet, if not for Stalin - everyone would be their slaves now.
                        > Who is this? Loafers like Ulyanov and raiders like Dzhugashvili? Wow "democratic and cultural".
                        So yes. Only two facts: 1. Of all the main participants of the citizen, only the Bolsheviks did not consider it necessary to cut out the same Jews. 2. only they considered the people - people. All of their opponents treated people as disenfranchised dirt, mobiles. If you read their memories - this is tin, it was assumed that then only 5–10 people lived in Russia, the rest, like animals, were disenfranchised.
                        Actually this democracy is the main reason why the Bolsheviks won.
                        > It was not in the 30s.
                        This nonsense comes from complete incompetence, but comment.

                        I don’t know why a person, feeling like a Ukrainian, doesn’t immediately run to a psychiatrist to be treated, but this idea should be promoted in the same way as for other indicators for a visit to a doctor.
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2018 07: 55
                        0
                        Quote: hdgs
                        Those. they did not carry out an armed seizure of power? Or do you think that the seizure of this power would not cause armed resistance to their violence?

                        redirect the question of the temporary government or they came to power in a peaceful democratic way?
                        Quote: hdgs
                        She was not in the 30s. It happened later, after 2MB. It took tens of millions of victims in that war.

                        Have you ever studied ANYWHERE ?! !!
                        Quote: hdgs
                        No need to write nonsense, there was no industrialization in the 30s. A lie is Bolshevik.

                        yeah?
                        do you know what the RI economy, eternal hunger, lack of mechanization, illiteracy and poverty represented in general
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                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2018 10: 11
                        0
                        Quote: hdgs
                        In case of failure of their enterprise, such "fellows" in different countries of the world are usually executed. Apparently as a "reward".

                        so they were executed by the Bolsheviks who came to power
                      2. NG inform
                        NG inform 4 May 2018 13: 57
                        -1
                        > How is it "he ran away"? Oh well.
                        So escaped. Kerensky was not power, the mess went too far and it was obvious to everyone that the system was over.
                        > In case of failure of their enterprise like "molodtsov" in different countries of the world it is customary to execute. Apparently as a "reward".
                        The struggle for power is such a thing, but where does the Bolsheviks?
                        You, Svidomo, accustomed to the idea that everything is possible for you, and the rest have no rights at all. But life is not like that.
                        > No, I expressed your point of view.
                        No, you suggested they die and not interfere. And when you respond to people like you (keyword - answer) in return, you start screaming like a beaten mongrel.
                        > Read about the number of victims of terror of the parties.
                        For example, White, like that same Kolchak, managed to arrange such a massacre that the Bolsheviks never dreamed of in a very short time. And I repeat - among all the main forces, only the Bolsheviks did not consider genocide to be something good. In general, there were no more cultural and democratic forces than the Bolsheviks - this is an objective fact.
                        > Under the king, there was malnutrition.
                        Yeah, such that the average life expectancy was 30 years. Among cattle, of course, and not the elite.
                        > You're a liar.
                        Standard answers Svidomo: it's not us, you're lying and we are for what?
                        > The immense cruelty and total lies are the reasons for their success.
                        Yes, a typical opinion of a Svidomo animal.
                        > I'm tired of you somehow at once. I will not communicate with you.
                        Yes, you are not able to-Svidomo same.
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                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2018 10: 17
                        0
                        Quote: hdgs
                        Peacefully democratic way after refusing to take the throne of Regent Michael.

                        that is, the killing of officers, banditry and devastation is a peaceful democratic process? !!!!
                        Quote: hdgs
                        I studied a lot. Therefore, I write as it was, and not the fables that the Bolsheviks taught you.

                        where, how much?
                        Quote: hdgs
                        Leave this to your "teachers." Russia in 1917 was a fairly developed country against the background of the rest of the world.

                        do you want physics to poke you in a puddle ?!
                        a little later (you need to leave on business) I will give the numbers that lovers of French buns are trying not to notice
                        you prefer interest, because if yesterday there were one tractor in the country and today there are three, then the growth amounted to as much as 200%
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2018 13: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: hdgs
                        Leave this to your "teachers." Russia in 1917 was a fairly developed country compared to the rest of the world

                        Well, let's start dipping in a puddle

                        Volumes of industrial production in 1913:
                        Total, billion rubles per capita, rubles

                        USA 38,13 397,19
                        UK 15,5 336,96
                        Germany 12,4 182,35
                        France 10,54 263,5
                        Russia 7,75 44,29

                        At 24472 factories there were only 24140 electric, steam, diesel engines (with an average power of 60 hp). That is, not even every plant had at least one engine

                        In terms of energy and mechanical armament, Russia lagged behind The United States is 10 times, from England - 5, from Germany, Belgium, New Zealand - 4 times. Let us add one more interesting fact: in 1913 there were 3,035 million telephone network subscribers in the USA, 797 thousand in Germany, 536,5 thousand in England, 185 thousand in France, and 110 thousand in Austria-Hungary ., in Sweden - 102 thousand, in Denmark - 98 thousand, but in Russia - 97 thousand subscribers

                        In 1913, the USA smelted 25 million tons of steel, Russia - 4,2 million tons, over 5 years in the USA steel production increased by 5 million tons, - in Russia by 1,7 million tons (in an average of 1 million, and 0,34 million tons per year). 1% of the increase in steel production was pulled in the USA by 200 thousand tons, in Russia by only 25 thousand tons - 8 times less.

                        in 1893-1900 the average annual increase in industrial production was 9%, and in 1908-1913. - 8,8%

                        According to statistics, in 1913, more than 12 million people (7,26% of the population) in Russia were hit by epidemics of cholera, diphtheria, anthrax, and scabies. Another 9 million people suffered from malaria, trachoma, whooping cough, etc. In total, there were 21877869 people (13,2% of the country's population) of chronic patients with infectious diseases.

                        There were 10000 doctors, 1,6 paramedics, 1,7 obstetricians and midwives for every 1,7 people in Russia. In rural areas, 1 doctor per 26 thousand people.
                        In the United States, there were 10000 times more physicians per 4 people, in Germany - 2,7 times, in England - and 3,5, in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, the Netherlands - 3,2 times more.

                        Of every 1000 newborns under the age of 1 year, 263 children died in Russia. For comparison: in Sweden 70 children under 1 year old died for every 1000 births, in England - 108, in the USA and France - 112-115 ,. in Italy - 138, in Germany - 151. I.e. Russia outnumbered the countries of Europe and the USA by 1,74 - 3,76 times in child mortality.

                        For comparison, with 227-228 people literate per 1000 population (excluding preschool children), Belgium had 998 literacy per 1000 population, Germany - 980, England - 816, France - 930, Australia - 816, Austria - 644, Hungary - 524, Argentina - 495, Italy - 440, Portugal - 214 people.

                        In 1913, 127423 people studied at Russian universities, in the USA - 258000 (twice as much as in Russia). In the USA there were several dozens of universities at the university level, in England - 18 universities, in Germany - 22, in France - 14, in Russia - 8 universities. There were about 1 million inhabitants per university in Russia, 20 million in England, 2,5 million in France, and 2,8 million inhabitants in Germany. In Russia, there were 3 teachers per 1000 population, and 1,7 teachers in the United States — more than 5,45 times. Thanks to the well-known circular of the Minister of Education Delyanov (during the reign of Alexander III) "3 cooks children", access to education was blocked for people from the estates of peasants and bourgeois. And although in 0-1911, the circular did not actually work, nevertheless, out of 1914 people who studied in gymnasiums, natives of peasant families made up 119000 people (18000%). In all the educational institutions of the Ministry of Education (including professional, commercial, etc.), peasants made up about 15,12% of students (and this is in a country where 15% of the population was peasant !!!). In cadet corps, military schools natives of peasant families were generally not allowed.

                        The slogan of the Tsarist Minister of Finance of Vyshnegorodskiy is "we ourselves are undernourished, but we will take it out"
                        In the nineteenth century. Russia survived 40 hunger strikes. In the twentieth century. were hungry 1901/02, 1905; 1906; 1907; 1908; 1911/12 In the years 1901-1902, 49 provinces were starving, in 1905; 1906; 1907; 1908 starved from 19 to 29 provinces, in 1911-1912. in 2 years, 60 provinces were starving. On the brink of death were 30 million people. According to various estimates in the years 1901-1912. about 8 million people died from hunger and its consequences.

                        Russia was not a leader in world agricultural production. The vast expanses of Russia allowed it to produce large quantities of grain, but the level of agriculture, productivity and productivity were low. In 1913, having received a record grain crop of 80 million tons, Russia per capita had about 471 kg of grain. England, France, Germany had about 430-440 kg, the United States - over 1000 kg, Canada - about 800 kg, Argentina 1200 kg.
                        The level of technical equipment of agriculture was low. More than 52% of peasant farms did not have plows, cultivating the land with plows and roe deer.
                        In 1913, in Russia there were only 152 tractors (in the USA, Germany, France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, the tractor counted thousands and tens of thousands). 80% of agricultural work was done manually

                        In 1914, 1000 heads of cattle were in Russia per 293 inhabitants, in the USA - 622, in Denmark - 888 heads.
                        The productivity of a cash cow in 1913 was: in Russia - 28 rubles, in the USA - 94, (1: 3,36), in Switzerland 150 rubles. (1: 5,36). Russia also conceded in the productivity of grain production per hectare (tithes).

                        The yield in 1913 from tithing was
                        pounds: wheat rye
                        Russia 55 56
                        Austria 89 92
                        Germany 157 127
                        Belgium 168 147

                        source: Tsarist Russia in numbers. A. Brusilov http://www.rusproject.org/node/25
              2. Dead duck
                Dead duck 1 May 2018 13: 31
                +9
                Quote: PFT
                There would be no Lenin, there would be no 100 years of nightmare for Russia.

                Well, yes, for someone to clean the stables nicer laughing
                1. hdgs
                  hdgs 2 May 2018 01: 04
                  +2
                  Quote: Deadush
                  Well, yes, for someone to clean the stables nicer

                  And for someone it’s prettier to live in an undisturbed stable.
                  1. Dead duck
                    Dead duck 2 May 2018 11: 27
                    +4
                    Quote: hdgs
                    Quote: Deadush
                    Well, yes, for someone to clean the stables nicer

                    And for someone it’s prettier to live in an undisturbed stable.

                    I sincerely sympathize with you yes
                    you really get out at least sometimes, it’ll be nicer ...
                    at least horses wassat
              3. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 1 May 2018 13: 47
                +9
                Quote: PFT
                Quote: Thrall
                There would be no Lenin - there would be no Stalin. If there were no Stalin, there would be no Putin ...

                There would be no Lenin, there would be no 100 years of nightmare for Russia.

                PFT, he is PFT. Neither subtract nor add. Read the Russian classics, they write about the "paradise" life under the tsar. Maybe a little wiser.
                1. PFT
                  PFT 1 May 2018 14: 53
                  +3
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Quote: PFT
                  Quote: Thrall
                  There would be no Lenin - there would be no Stalin. If there were no Stalin, there would be no Putin ...

                  There would be no Lenin, there would be no 100 years of nightmare for Russia.

                  PFT, he is PFT. Neither subtract nor add. Read the Russian classics, they write about the "paradise" life under the tsar. Maybe a little wiser.

                  Krasnoyarsk, you’ve already "barked" the living and the dead for 10 people. "Insulting people is a privilege of Fools," and you need to learn a story !!!
                  1. igorka357
                    igorka357 2 May 2018 06: 04
                    +1
                    Actually, he didn’t bark, he’s probably wiped his nose alive not bad .. wink
                2. just exp
                  just exp 1 May 2018 20: 25
                  +2
                  but tell us about paradise life under Lenin.
                  terribly interesting.
                3. hdgs
                  hdgs 2 May 2018 01: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Read the Russian classics, they write about the "paradise" life under the tsar.

                  And you read Khrushchev. Which described how he lived under the “damned tsarism” as a worker. And he complained that the workers in the USSR were immensely far from that level.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 2 May 2018 02: 16
                    +1
                    So, with what a bargain, the maize collapsed the ruble more than twice, which caused the strike in Novocherkassk, eh?
                    1. hdgs
                      hdgs 2 May 2018 08: 13
                      +2
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      So, with what a bargain, the maize collapsed the ruble more than twice, which caused the strike in Novocherkassk, eh?

                      Since the system could function based only on average slave (i.e., somehow paid) labor, it could not. She demanded a huge layer of full slaves (convicts of the Gulag). And Khrushchev thinned this layer incredibly. Yes, and the average slaves (ordinary Soviet citizens) increased handouts.
                      As a result, the system began to fail. And she gave them to her very end. Despite the fact that Khrushchev at one time deftly turned around with gas and oil. What provided "Brezhnev abundance."
                      And when energy prices collapsed, the USSR flew downhill. Because in these conditions he could exist only in his original form - this is a huge percentage of convicts-convicts + poor slaves of the middle category, who have been collecting money for months on coats or boots. Those. it was this model that was an alternative to Gorbachev perestroika, and not at all "Brezhnev's abundance."
                      Here, even a big mind is not necessary, just look at the North. Korea. There is a typical "socialism" of the Dzhugashvilev type without oil and gas. And only such a state of Sev. Korea is sustainable, otherwise it will just fall apart. Kim no, he made the right conclusions for himself from the experience of the USSR.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 2 May 2018 09: 04
                        0
                        Carbine i.e. Do you acknowledge that the Stalinist USSR was quite viable?
                    2. hdgs
                      hdgs 2 May 2018 09: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Carbine

                      Is this something like "halloween"?
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Do you acknowledge that the Stalinist USSR was quite viable?

                      Quite. But only in the form of Sev. Korea. And with the inevitable end, how soon, I think, will be with her. He would have long been, if not for the support of China, which the USSR did not have. Those. Dzhugashvilevsky USSR was quite viable for some finite time.
                      If there had been no war, I think that in the mid-50s “socialism” and the USSR would not have survived. And they would literally die a little later Dzhugashvili.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 2 May 2018 09: 30
                        +2
                        Quote: hdgs
                        It's something like a halloween

                        Yes, like Zeus.
                        Quote: hdgs
                        Those. Dzhugashvilevsky USSR was quite viable for some finite time.

                        Nonsense. About 4 million people worked in the artels, and they made real competition to the state. My grandfather was an artisan-shoemaker, so he spat on Khrushchev.
                    3. hdgs
                      hdgs 2 May 2018 09: 43
                      +1
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      About 4 million people worked in the artels, and they made real competition to the state.

                      The next move, you will probably begin to write nonsense that the collective farms were in competition with state farms.
                      Artels descended from above the plan. Funds were released under this plan. As a result, the cooperatives were practically no different from state enterprises. In addition to the ritual of "choosing" the chairman, who was also "lowered from above."
                      Khrushchev simply ended this formalism. But essentially nothing has changed.
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      My grandfather was an artisan-shoemaker, so he spat on Khrushchev.

                      What should I do. There were underdeveloped and poorly versed in the essence of things people. They are always and everywhere.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 2 May 2018 09: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: hdgs
                        Artels descended from above the plan

                        Yes.
                        Quote: hdgs
                        As a result, the cooperatives were practically no different from state enterprises.

                        But this is not so.
                        Quote: hdgs
                        Khrushchev simply ended this formalism. But essentially nothing has changed.

                        A lot has changed. Even in the literature it is described. "Don't shoot white swans," at least.
                    4. hdgs
                      hdgs 2 May 2018 09: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      But this is not so.

                      Then give an example of the difference.
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      A lot has changed. Even in the literature it is described.

                      Meetings with reptilians and flying on saucers are densely described in the literature. Believe me and this too?
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 2 May 2018 09: 51
                        0
                        They could work beyond the plan. On myself, my beloved.
                    5. hdgs
                      hdgs 2 May 2018 09: 58
                      +1
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      They could work beyond the plan. On myself, my beloved.

                      Dear, they could work beyond the plan on the "saved", i.e. raw materials actually stolen from the state. Because they couldn’t legally buy raw materials, there was nowhere. And under the plan that he let down from above, "funds" were released. Those. raw materials.
                      When they caught such “advanced workers,” they were ruthlessly sent to the Gulag. Where they really could work beyond the plan. But not on myself, my beloved.
                      And if without violations, then everything was sad, as at a state-owned enterprise. In addition to the ritual of the "election" of the chairman of the artel described above.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 2 May 2018 10: 18
                        0
                        Quote: hdgs
                        they could work beyond the plan on the "saved", i.e. raw materials actually stolen from the state.

                        Lies. They planted such people, and cries about the Gulag were heard from you like them.
                    6. hdgs
                      hdgs 2 May 2018 11: 46
                      0
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      They planted such people, and cries about the Gulag were heard from you like them.

                      No one ever said a word about thieves (real) in the Gulag. But there besides them there were a huge number of other categories of prisoners. Including and political. A huge percentage of the total number of convicts was simply repressed by the Bolsheviks without any reason. And not only political, some “truants” are worth it. A person did not even have the right to be late for work for more than 20 minutes, not to quit or something.
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              5. Nikolay Fedorov
                Nikolay Fedorov 1 May 2018 15: 46
                +13
                Quote: PFT
                Quote: Thrall
                There would be no Lenin - there would be no Stalin. If there were no Stalin, there would be no Putin ...

                There would be no Lenin, there would be no 100 years of nightmare for Russia.

                Sincerely, from the bottom of my heart, I wish you, and above all, yourself, to live another 10–20 years in that nightmare that Lenin had arranged for us. I'm not talking about the 1917th and 20th years, I'm not so old, fortunately. I am talking about the 70-80s, in which I was fortunate enough to live wholeheartedly, bitterly, with all my heart wide open. I happened to have fun studying, getting passionately married, serving my motherland and fighting at the top of my head, and traveling around the country. I clearly remember how simple, charming men in Isyk (near Alma-Ata) wanted a sturgeon in a restaurant with a takeaway (this is when four waiters bring a dish with a sturgeon into the hall to the solemn sounds of the orchestra). Alma-Ata has already forgotten this (they didn’t do it then). Someone remembered Astoria in Moscow. Flying to Moscow? Counted the money, smashed to each ... Pull? Pull! We are flying! It was Saturday night, Monday for everyone to work. I was then a green lieutenant, the rest were of the same level. There were no generals, governors, mayors, oligarchs in our company, but we could afford it in a shy Union.
                1. PFT
                  PFT 1 May 2018 16: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                  Someone remembered Astoria in Moscow. Flying to Moscow? Counted the money, smashed to each ... Pull? Pull! We are flying! D

                  Yes, it’s a “great thing” to fly vodka to Moscow for a weekend. I worked as a student in two places and flew to the capital, but not for vodka. It is about what happened to the country then and what is happening now.
                2. hdgs
                  hdgs 2 May 2018 01: 10
                  +3
                  Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                  I remember very well how simple, charming men in Isyk (near Alma-Ata) wanted a sturgeon in a restaurant with a takeaway (this is when four waiters bring a dish with a sturgeon into the hall to the solemn sounds of the orchestra). Alma-Ata has already forgotten this (they didn’t do it then). Someone remembered Astoria in Moscow. Flying to Moscow? Counted the money, smashed to each ... Pull? Pull! We are flying! It was Saturday night, Monday for everyone to work. I was then a green lieutenant, the rest were of the same level.

                  Exactly. A beautiful illustration on the topic of what happens to the state if its army men turn into fat glossy cats. And hard workers (and with higher education), in half-starved and poor goners.
                  1. Nikolay Fedorov
                    Nikolay Fedorov 2 May 2018 10: 09
                    +2
                    Quote: hdgs
                    Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                    I remember very well how simple, charming men in Isyk (near Alma-Ata) wanted a sturgeon in a restaurant with a takeaway (this is when four waiters bring a dish with a sturgeon into the hall to the solemn sounds of the orchestra). Alma-Ata has already forgotten this (they didn’t do it then). Someone remembered Astoria in Moscow. Flying to Moscow? Counted the money, smashed to each ... Pull? Pull! We are flying! It was Saturday night, Monday for everyone to work. I was then a green lieutenant, the rest were of the same level.

                    Exactly. A beautiful illustration on the topic of what happens to the state if its army men turn into fat glossy cats. And hard workers (and with higher education), in half-starved and poor goners.

                    And I see a beautiful illustration of hatred, how a person who hates his country is registered on May 1 on the site he hates and pours out dozens of comments on the people around him with streams of hatred, anger and bile. And he writes complete nonsense, probably, because he did not do anything other than hatred in his life. How can a green lieutenant be a fat glossy cat ?! This is me now a fat glossy cat. It’s right for me by age and position. And in those days I was a hard-working idealist with the simple dream of a simple Soviet guy - to die for our Soviet Motherland.
                    1. hdgs
                      hdgs 2 May 2018 10: 17
                      +2
                      Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                      How can a green lieutenant be a fat glossy cat ?!

                      In the late USSR, always. It is enough to recall how much the hardworking engineer received, and how much the lieutenant received. The result is not slowed down will manifest itself in the late 80s. With the subsequent inevitable collapse of such an "economic system" in the early 90s.
                      Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                      And in those days I was a hard-working idealist

                      Is the lieutenant an idealistic hard worker? This is where in which you were so torn then? And do not you think that the word "idealist" for the money that you received in the USSR, it does not fit?
                      Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                      with the simple dream of a simple Soviet guy - to die for our Soviet Motherland.

                      Why didn’t they die when your kirdyk came to your “Soviet Motherland”?
                      Why didn’t they realize their dream?
                      Fat overgrown?
                      You know Soviet slogans and agitation, but you don’t understand the fact that you are scorched by this.
              6. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2018 16: 38
                +1
                I doubt very much that the problem of Russia is different and you are a humanoid a vivid confirmation of this. laughing
              7. Sergey ippon
                Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 06
                +1
                Yeah, it would be a backward agrarian country with an almost slave-owning system.
                1. hdgs
                  hdgs 2 May 2018 01: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Sergey Ippon
                  Yeah, it would be a backward agrarian country with an almost slave-owning system.

                  The last time the slave system in Russia (not almost, but the real one) was called "socialism". It existed from 1927 to 1991.
                  Moreover, this slave regime in different years was of varying degrees of rigidity.
                  1. igorka357
                    igorka357 2 May 2018 06: 08
                    +2
                    The PFT puts advantages to you, and you ... everything, point ... both carry such nonsense laughing May Day registration ...
                    1. hdgs
                      hdgs 2 May 2018 08: 17
                      +1
                      Quote: igorka357
                      you carry such nonsense

                      The Bolsheviks-Communists carried nonsense. By all means trying to maintain the yoke of "socialism." Apparently that nonsense is somehow close and pleasant to you.
                      Then, do not be distracted, continue to enjoy it. Only one who recognizes the presence of the disease can be cured. This is not about you.
              8. alexmach
                alexmach 1 May 2018 23: 49
                +1
                This is forgive me stupidity.
                First, the nightmare in Russia began long before Lenin.
                Secondly, it was the Bolsheviks who were able to constructively “resolve” this more than a century-old nightmare
                1. hdgs
                  hdgs 2 May 2018 01: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: alexmach
                  First, the nightmare in Russia began long before Lenin.

                  But in theory, from March 1917, everything should have somehow been adjusted.
                  Quote: alexmach
                  it was the Bolsheviks who were able to “steer” this constructively somehow nightmare

                  Those. the fact that the sluggish half-nightmare of autocracy was eventually replaced by a dynamic nightmare in a square and even a cube, is this called "somehow constructively" ruin "?
                  Well, well.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 2 May 2018 08: 42
                    +1
                    But in theory, from March 1917, everything should have somehow been adjusted.

                    Yeah, in theory, it should have been, in a sore brain .. it only cost to remove the king and progressively sit in his place. Just as soon as they sat down, it suddenly turned out that the real problems had been ripening for 100 years or more and had not gone anywhere. And they didn’t even try to do anything that sat in February 17 with any of the real problems. The result was quite natural.
                    Those. the fact that the sluggish half-nightmare of autocracy was eventually replaced by a dynamic nightmare in a square and even a cube, is this called "somehow constructively" ruin "?

                    I don’t know for whom he was sluggish, certainly not for 95% of the population. Well, judge for yourself, the Bolsheviks solved the land issue in Russia, conducted catch-up industrialization, and at the same time trained personnel for it, solved the issue of illiteracy. Over 20 years, we jumped over a 100-year developmental lag and set the pace of development a century in advance. That it was accompanied by blood? Could it be otherwise? It would be possible if in 1861 a little smaller snot chewed.
                    1. hdgs
                      hdgs 2 May 2018 12: 10
                      +1
                      Quote: alexmach
                      that real problems ripened for 100 years or more have not gone anywhere. And they didn’t even try to do anything that sat down in February 17 with any of the real problems.

                      I understand that you do not know the story and do not want to know. But I recall, the main task of the Provisional Government was to conduct elections to the Constituent Assembly, and not to solve any problems there. And already the bodies of the Constituent Assembly had to solve these problems.
                      Elections to the Constituent Assembly were held. The Bolsheviks lost them and the Constituent Assembly dispersed, seizing power in the country through an armed coup.
                      Learn the story.
                      Quote: alexmach
                      Bolsheviks solved the land issue in Russia

                      Perfectly "decided."
                      First, the land was taken from the peasants, which they had previously taken from the landowners.
                      Then they turned these peasants into farmers, forcing them to work sometimes just like that, not even for food.
                      Those. they returned the very "serfdom", but in fact slavery, which was canceled in Russia in 1861. A huge "progress".
                      Quote: alexmach
                      they were catching up with industrialization, and at the same time they trained personnel for it, and solved the problem of illiteracy.

                      Of course, I understand that you are poorly educated. But you can’t get so scared!
                      Industrialization is not an expropriation. It can not be held. Industrialization is the result of scientific and technological research.
                      When in the USSR did the STR and the inevitable industrialization follow?
                      Scientific and technical progress in the USSR occurred in the second half of the 40s, but then in the 50s industrialization followed. NTR has become one of the results of 2MB, because it occurred on a captured scientific and technical base.
                      Do you understand? Your "competent shots" of a local spill of a devoured egg were not worth it. Because apart from the diplomas in the USSR, there was nobody and nothing to teach them.
                      And only the German contract soldiers who worked after the war in the USSR taught them intelligence, moreover, in many industries. Those. NTR happened with their help. And without them it would not have taken place under any circumstances.
                      It was with the help of this scientific and technological revolution, as well as with the help of captured technologies in the USSR that industrialization took place.
                      And in the 30s, nothing like this happened. And there was no industrialization. And the factories bought, they gradually degraded in the same way as AvtoVAZ degraded, relative to the world level, at one time. The steam came out of the whistle.
                      Quote: alexmach
                      Over 20 years, we jumped over a 100-year developmental lag and set the pace of development a century in advance.

                      Lord, what enchanting nonsense you write.
                      What are 20 years old?
                      What are 100 years old?
                      What is the “century ahead” if socialism lasted only 64 years?
                      Quote: alexmach
                      That it was accompanied by blood? Could it be otherwise?

                      Sure. In the overwhelming majority of countries, in order for the country to develop and develop with subsequent industrialization, it did not at all need to lose 20% of the population, as happened with the USSR during the war.
                      Quote: alexmach
                      It would be possible if in 1861 a little smaller snot chewed.

                      Well, what does this have to do with it?
                      1. alexmach
                        alexmach 2 May 2018 13: 40
                        +2
                        I understand that you do not know the story and do not want to know.

                        Oh well. Loud statement. I would advise you if you want to prove something or challenge someone’s opinion not to start your match with attacks and rudeness, but still focus on the facts.
                        But I recall, the main task of the Provisional Government was to conduct elections to the Constituent Assembly, and not to solve any problems there

                        Yes, yes .. and while they were sharing with a regular meeting of the problems, they still brought to the present explosion.
                        Perfectly "decided."

                        It’s not very good, but they have achieved the unification of agricultural land into large allotments and the eradication of the majority and the introduction of advanced agricultural practices. And along the way, they solved the food problem throughout the country. And yes, they broke everything that prevented this.
                        Those. returned the same "fortress system"

                        Have they ever left this system?
                        which was canceled in Russia in 1861

                        And here I advise you to learn history. in 1861 they simply changed the form of exploitation of the peasantry, replaced the serf system with a redemption payment of all that.
                        Of course, I understand that you are poorly educated

                        and you are rude to impossible.
                        Industrialization is not an expropriation. It can not be held. Industrialization is the result of scientific and technological research.

                        Engage in sophistry for simple verbiage and conspiracy. Ten thousand built factories, as it were, refute your fabrications.
                        Do you understand? Your "competent shots" of a local spill of a devoured egg were not worth it. Because apart from the diplomas in the USSR, there was nobody and nothing to teach them.

                        Really? that is, there were not ten thousand new industries and no one worked for them?
                        And only the German contract soldiers who worked after the war in the USSR taught ..

                        The Germans ... and the Americans and other contract soldiers worked in the USSR not only after the war.
                        It was with the help of this scientific and technological revolution, as well as with the help of captured technologies in the USSR that industrialization took place.

                        Seriously? And we probably won the Second World War with the royal Mosin rifles and three-inch guns .. approx.
                        Sure. In the overwhelming majority of countries, in order for the country to develop and develop with subsequent industrialization, it did not at all need to lose 20% of the population, as happened with the USSR during the war.

                        Firstly, the figure is about 20% of the population from the ceiling.
                        Secondly, well, we’ll list this overwhelming majority of countries .. on the fingers. Great Britain - with enclosing and overexploitation of colonies? France with the Great French Revolution? US civil war? Give an example of a country in which a change in economic structure occurred without blood?
              9. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2018 08: 38
                +1
                Quote: PFT
                There would be no Lenin, there would be no 100 years of a nightmare for Russia

                on the exam passed?
                it was not Lenin who overthrew the tsar if you do not know and the collapse of the country was not started by the Bolsheviks
                1. hdgs
                  hdgs 2 May 2018 09: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  the tsar did not overthrow Lenin if you do not know

                  And where does the king?
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  and the collapse of the country was not started by the Bolsheviks

                  Russia collapsed after a creeping reactionary coup organized by the Bolsheviks in October 1917 - January 1918. Because power in Petrograd became illegitimate and no one was going to recognize it.
                  Learn the story. At least a little bit.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2018 13: 33
                    0
                    Quote: hdgs
                    Russia fell apart after a creeping reactionary coup organized by the Bolsheviks in October 1917 - January 1918

                    I say the USE in history, do not remind who and when canceled the one-man command in the army, when there was a massacre of officers in the Crimea and Kronstadt, what happened in Ukraine in the summer of 17?
                    1. hdgs
                      hdgs 2 May 2018 13: 40
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      who and when canceled unity of command in the army

                      And what did the abolition of unity in the army have to the collapse of Russia?
                      Yes, absolutely none. You in vain “study history” from Soviet films.
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      when there was a massacre of officers in the Crimea and Kronstadt

                      Very curious, and when was she?
                      I will tell you, it was after the Bolsheviks came to power. Because after the seizure of power by them, the state machine of Russia (briefly, the state) fell apart. After that, chaos and anarchy began on the fragments of this state.
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      What happened in Ukraine in the summer of 17?

                      And one more “passion”. And what happened in Ukraine in the summer of 1917
                      I'll tell you, nothing special. Because then the state machine of Russia was still functioning. And after its collapse, after the Bolshevik coup, everything very naturally collapsed.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2018 17: 16
                        0
                        Quote: hdgs
                        And what did the abolition of unity in the army have to the collapse of Russia?
                        Yes, absolutely none. You in vain “study history” from Soviet films.

                        it meant in that situation the destruction of the army
                        Quote: hdgs
                        Very curious, and when was she?

                        By March 15, the Baltic Fleet had lost 120 officers, of whom 76 were killed (in Helsingfors - 45, in Kronstadt - 24, in Revel - 5 and in Petrograd - 2). In Kronstadt, in addition, at least 12 officers of the land garrison were killed. Four officers committed suicide, and 11 went missing [3]. Over 600 officers attacked for Christ’s sake, not in the 19th century, before you shake it with nonsense
                        Quote: hdgs
                        And one more “passion”. And what happened in Ukraine in the summer of 1917
                        I'll tell you, nothing special. Because then the state machine of Russia was still functioning. And after its collapse, after the Bolshevik coup, everything very naturally collapsed.

                        clear knowledge on the topic ZERO
                    2. hdgs
                      hdgs 2 May 2018 18: 46
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      it meant in that situation the destruction of the army

                      Yes what you say!
                      But who then held the front with the Germans? Until the Bolsheviks agreed with them and the army was not dismissed.
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      By March 15, the Baltic Fleet had lost 120 officers, of whom 76 were killed (in Helsingfors - 45, in Kronstadt - 24, in Revel - 5 and in Petrograd - 2). In Kronstadt, in addition, at least 12 officers of the land garrison were killed. Four officers committed suicide, and 11 went missing [3]. More than 600 officers were attacked by Christ for the sake of well, not in the 19th century, before checking with nonsense

                      What a horror. And the same amount probably fell under the cabs, trams, etc.
                      You give statistics, how many officers were killed, etc. after the Bolsheviks came to power in early January 1918?
                      There the bill is not for hundreds or even for thousands.
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      clear knowledge on the topic ZERO

                      If you are talking about yourself, then I agree.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2018 19: 29
                        0
                        it makes no sense to argue with lovers of French rolls

                        So all the same, when was the massacre of officers in Kronstadt?
                        what ended the June offensive of the Russian army and for what reason? !!!!!!
                        who was a traitor, those who staged a coup in February, or those who did it in October?
                2. hdgs
                  hdgs 2 May 2018 19: 49
                  0
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  it makes no sense to argue with lovers of French rolls

                  And with lovers of moldy crackers?
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  So all the same, when was the massacre of officers in Kronstadt?

                  Kronstadt is not interested in separately. But the massacre of officers and, in general, more or less educated people in Russia began after the Bolsheviks came to power.
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  What ended the June offensive of the Russian army and for what reason?

                  Let me guess - Kerensky is to blame for everything? And he signed the Brest Peace. Yes?
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  who was a traitor, those who staged a coup in February, or those who did it in October?

                  Those March, they were revolutionaries. And those October, they were putschists. Or, if you like, by the counterrevolutionaries.
                  So the Bolshevik tale of the "Bolshevik revolutionaries" is just a lie. And the Bolsheviks have such lies everywhere and a lot.
                  As for the traitors, the revolutionaries (March) fought with the Germans, and did not surrender to them. Unlike the counter-revolutionaries-Bolsheviks. Which concluded the "Brest Peace" with the Germans, but actually surrendered.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2018 22: 01
                    0
                    Quote: hdgs
                    Kronstadt is not interested in separately. But the massacre of officers and, in general, more or less educated people in Russia began after the Bolsheviks came to power.

                    apparently you are not interested in anything at all
                    Quote: hdgs
                    And with lovers of moldy crackers?

                    when I haven’t eaten like that, so I can’t say if I’m an amateur or not.
                    Quote: hdgs
                    Those March, they were revolutionaries. And those October, they were putschists. Or, if you like, by the counterrevolutionaries.

                    not only do you not know the story so you also do not know the terminology
                    by the way in terms of laws February were traitors they changed the oath
                    Quote: hdgs
                    As for the traitors, the revolutionaries (March) fought with the Germans, and did not surrender to them. Unlike the counter-revolutionaries-Bolsheviks. Which concluded the "Brest Peace" with the Germans, but actually surrendered.

                    I’m fooling with your illiteracy the first FEBRUARY revolution (March - in a new style) doesn’t occur to anyone, well, except you, to call the November revolution
                    now back to the rams, that is, to the traitors
                    Guchkov, Alexander Ivanovich - Acting State Counselor (Corresponding to the ranks of Major General in the Army and Rear Admiral in the Navy)
                    Shulgin, Vasily - Vitalyevich
                    Lavr Georgievich Kornilov - commander of the 25th Army Corps
                    by ANY LAW, these are traitors
                    1. hdgs
                      hdgs 3 May 2018 00: 17
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      apparently you are not interested in anything at all

                      I'm glad you know a lot.
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      and when I didn’t eat like that, therefore, I can’t say if I’m an amateur or not.

                      Everything is still ahead of you.
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      not only do you not know the story so you also do not know the terminology

                      Very good command of terminology, unlike you.
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      by the way in terms of laws February were traitors they changed the oath

                      Well, what oath could be during a revolution? You are funny.
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      I’m fooling with your illiteracy the first FEBRUARY revolution (March - in a new style) doesn’t occur to anyone, well, except you, to call the November revolution

                      In fact, the revolution took place in March. According to the old style.
                      You don’t even know that.
                      But I will surprise you even more, the revolution came about after the abdication of MIKHAIL, and not at all of Nicholas.
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      by ANY LAW, these are traitors

                      No, only in your opinion. Not very authoritative.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 3 May 2018 09: 01
                        0
                        Quote: hdgs
                        In fact, the revolution took place in March. According to the old style.

                        victim of the exam do not disgrace
                        The first day of the February revolution is considered February 23 (according to the new style on March 8)
                        Quote: hdgs
                        No, only in your opinion. Not very authoritative.

                        they changed the oath
                        Quote: hdgs
                        Well, what oath could be during a revolution? You are funny.

                        the one that is given once in a lifetime
                    2. hdgs
                      hdgs 3 May 2018 18: 52
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      The first day of the February revolution is considered February 23 (according to the new style on March 8)

                      You do not know even the simplest things. The last Russian regent (not the tsar) was not Nikolai, but Mikhail. And the autocracy did not fall after the abdication of Nicholas, but after the abdication of the regent Michael, who did not accept the throne.
                      The February Revolution is the same invention of the Bolsheviks as the October Revolution. In fact, the autocracy in Russia fell on March 3 (16), 1917.
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      they changed the oath

                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      the one that is given once in a lifetime

                      I repeat once again for those who do not hear - no oath is in effect during revolutions.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 3 May 2018 20: 01
                        0
                        Quote: hdgs
                        You do not know even the simplest things. The last Russian regent (not the tsar) was not Nikolai, but Mikhail. And the autocracy did not fall after the abdication of Nicholas, but after the abdication of the regent Michael, who did not accept the throne.

                        and what does it have to do with renunciation, we are talking about a revolution that began on February 23
                        Quote: hdgs
                        I repeat once again for those who do not hear - no oath is in effect during revolutions.

                        for bastards - YES
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                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 3 May 2018 21: 18
                        0
                        Quote: hdgs
                        Moreover, the abdication of Nicholas was not a revolution.

                        quite right, the revolution is different and it did not begin with renunciation
                        Quote: hdgs
                        Then go to the mirror and look at yourself. The oath of the USSR must have been given. Have you done it?

                        unfortunately I didn’t let it calm down ?!
            6. 22 dmdc
              22 dmdc 1 May 2018 13: 19
              +8
              Lenin lived, Lenin lives, Lenin will live! Lenin is still more alive than all the living!
            7. Non liberoid Russian
              Non liberoid Russian 1 May 2018 14: 33
              0
              would be, but not the ones we know
            8. INTER
              INTER 1 May 2018 16: 32
              +2
              Quote: Thrall
              There would be no Lenin - there would be no Stalin. If there were no Stalin, there would be no Putin ...

              Then let’s turn the whole square into a mausoleum and we will have all the rulers since 988, but why did they build the center on the Red Square with Lenin, although not all is lost, you can build Gorbachev.
          2. rpek32
            rpek32 1 May 2018 11: 16
            +18
            Lenin himself as a monument has become. the body is an object of historical value. those who advocate burial are ready to bury the relics of all the saints which individual faiths carry around the planet?

            for example, I can say that I am for the burial, but if you bury everyone. for some, Lenin is a saint
            1. just exp
              just exp 1 May 2018 12: 27
              +6
              and Lenin is already an object of religious worship?
              I knew, I knew. that communism is a religion. there is no god in the world except Lenin and the arm of the prophet willow.
            2. The Little Humpbacked Horse
              The Little Humpbacked Horse 1 May 2018 12: 33
              +6
              Quote: rpek32
              Lenin himself as a monument has become. the body is an object of historical value. those who advocate burial are ready to bury the relics of all the saints which individual faiths carry around the planet?


              By the way, this is not a bad idea if you take Lenin in a coffin around the world and show for money. Otherwise, we collect sick children for treatment on the first channel with sms, otherwise Lenin would pay for the treatment of children and benefit the state
              1. INTER
                INTER 1 May 2018 16: 34
                0
                Quote: Humpbacked Horse
                By the way, this is not a bad idea if you take Lenin in a coffin around the world and show for money. Otherwise, we collect sick children for treatment on the first channel with sms, otherwise Lenin would pay for the treatment of children and benefit the state

                laughing good + + + +
          3. NG inform
            NG inform 1 May 2018 14: 13
            +4
            Lenin is buried. In the Mausoleum.
            It seems to me personally that the people who demand to bury him did not spend even five minutes studying the circumstances of the case.
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          4. Vladimir K.
            Vladimir K. 1 May 2018 19: 29
            +3
            For your information, he is buried - there is a conclusion of the church on this score!
          5. Mylenef
            Mylenef 2 May 2018 15: 51
            0
            As Zhirinovsky said, “Lenin should be taken out of the mausoleum, rinse the red square with furatselin”
            But seriously, then I think it’s worth removing the mausoleum, but not before the last veteran of the great Russian dies
        2. vovanpain
          vovanpain 1 May 2018 11: 18
          +53
          Quote: Dimontius
          but they clearly did not shout "for the mausoleum"!

          They took the Victory Parade on June 24, 1945 at the mausoleum and threw the banners of defeated Germany to the foot. hi
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 11: 33
            +45
            Cover your story with plywood? What is better than fighting monuments? what
            1. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 1 May 2018 12: 28
              +30
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Cover your story with plywood? What is better than fighting monuments? what


              Victory Day is the most important holiday that we have today. And to me personally it’s disgusting to look at the Mausoleum closed by plywood during the parade. After all, what happens is the true history of the country is closed by scenery. Plywood. These are petty deeds, false films about the Great Patriotic War, the current teaching of history in schools - these are all links in one chain - the destruction of the pride of our people in their history. For my country.
              This is the road to nowhere. Already now, while watching feature films about the Great Patriotic War, credits are coming - “smoking scenes are shown, remove children from the screens”. This is the worst thing, it turns out that you can see there. And if we go further at such a pace, then - take the children away from the screens, is there the Victory Parade of 1945 of the year, Stalin on the platform of the Mausoleum and the Order of Lenin on the chest of the participants of the Parade? And enemy banners at the foot of the Mausoleum.
              Now I looked at the voting results at the beginning of the article. For the audience on our site is not ashamed.
              And I’ll say it again. Today is only 1 on May. But I want to congratulate everyone on the upcoming Victory Day, I have an operation ahead, on the 9 of May I can not congratulate anyone. So with the upcoming main holiday of the country, dear forum users!
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 12: 31
                +7
                Lesha, hello, friend! hi drinks Agree with you ! Happy May Day and the coming Victory Day !!! soldier drinks
                Z.Y. Speedy recovery after surgery.
              2. weksha50
                weksha50 1 May 2018 15: 38
                +5
                Quote: Reserve officer
                Now I looked at the voting results at the beginning of the article. For the audience on our site is not ashamed.
                And I’ll say it again. Today is only 1 on May. But I want to congratulate everyone on the upcoming Victory Day, I have an operation ahead, on the 9 of May I can not congratulate anyone. So with the upcoming main holiday of the country, dear forum users!



                But I looked at the pluses to your comment ... And I saw that they, in comparison with your (Our common) opposition, are smaller than those who vote for the correct covering of the mausoleum with plywood ...

                It’s a pity ... And this plywood sheathing leads to oblivion to this ... And the leadership of the country does this ...

                Happy holiday to you !!! ... Let the "oppositionists" not overshadow your mood ... "Vanka" (not Ivana !!!) - they never remembered kinship and always sang under a profitable chimney ...
                God grant - it’s normal to undergo surgery and recover ... hi
                1. Reserve officer
                  Reserve officer 1 May 2018 16: 55
                  +2
                  Pasha, George, thank you for your kind words.
            2. just exp
              just exp 1 May 2018 12: 28
              +6
              why communists can fight with monuments and churches. and others lowering touch the monuments of the Communists?
              What goes around comes around .
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 12: 33
                +17
                Well, and how is your philosophy different from those who in Poland, Ukraine and the Baltic states are struggling with the “communist legacy”?
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 1 May 2018 12: 51
                  +3
                  Pasha, prjuvet and May Day! drinks Listen, let's eat it? ...
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 1 May 2018 13: 09
                    +5
                    Slavik, hello and mutually! hi drinks I am not a cannibal, and I do not advise you. A colleague expressed his point of view - this is not a reason to chew it if we disagree with this opinion. wink
                    1. sabakina
                      sabakina 1 May 2018 13: 26
                      +2
                      Well, Pashka, don’t nat, so don’t nat. drinks
                      P.S. Actually, I was not going to cook it or fry it ...
                2. just exp
                  just exp 1 May 2018 20: 27
                  0
                  and how does the philosophy of the communists differ from those who in Poland, Ukraine and the Baltic states are struggling with the "communist heritage"?
                  because both the communists and Bandera came from one ideological source. and this source in New York (read from anyone and why the brackets were crooked)
              2. Andrey K
                Andrey K 1 May 2018 12: 36
                +5
                Quote: just EXPL
                ... and why can the Communists fight monuments and churches. and others lowering touch the monuments of the Communists?
                What goes around comes around...

                Colleague, from one extreme to the other does not need to go either.
                Monument is a monument. Although ambiguous.
                To bury the mummy - yes, but with the rest, if it is decided, then on the basis of at least a referendum.
              3. Dead duck
                Dead duck 1 May 2018 13: 37
                +8
                already got with their monuments do not understand to whom and mythical churches ...
                most churches priests themselves refused!
                some were demolished, remodeled or built.
                and for some reason it is always silent that churches and new ones were being built request
                You look what happened in Paris at the end of the 18-th, the beginning of the 20-th century ...
                probably also the communists demolished yes
            3. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 1 May 2018 13: 16
              +11
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Cover your story with plywood? What is better than fighting monuments?

              This is not a cover for history. This is closed by a reminder of the great USSR, whose victories are overshadowed by the miserable efforts of the current leadership, who are ashamed of their miserable appearance against this great background ...
          2. Vanek
            Vanek 1 May 2018 12: 36
            +7
            Quote: vovanpain
            threw the banners of defeated Germany to the foot


            And also the gloves in which these banners were held.

            That's how disgusting it was ...

            hi
          3. alexmach
            alexmach 1 May 2018 23: 52
            0
            But after all, they lived in the Soviet Union created by Lenin, honored his covenants and built, including on his works, their ideology and, more importantly, their everyday life.
            1. hdgs
              hdgs 2 May 2018 00: 32
              0
              Quote: alexmach
              But they did live in the Soviet Union created by Lenin

              In fact, the Ulyanovsk USSR existed only from 1922 to 1927.
              Then there was the Dzhugashvilevsky USSR. In one form or another. Therefore, the full founder of the USSR should be considered Dzhugashvili.
              Quote: alexmach
              honored his covenants

              Since 1927 they didn’t even think.
              Quote: alexmach
              built, including on his works, and his ideology

              On snatches of his "works" taken out of context.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 2 May 2018 08: 45
                0
                In fact, the Ulyanovsk USSR existed only from 1922 to 1927.

                This is all empty word juggling. There was no Ulyanovsk or Dzhugashvilivsky USSR, the USSR was one, but naturally different at different times.
                Since 1927 they didn’t even think.

                Oh, I don’t know how it was in 1927, but my father-in-law told me about the 70s and 80s that he outlined there some of the many-volume works.
                1. hdgs
                  hdgs 2 May 2018 08: 55
                  0
                  Quote: alexmach
                  This is all empty word juggling.

                  This is actually a historical fact.
                  Learn history and it will open to you.
                  Quote: alexmach
                  There was no Ulyanovsk or Dzhugashvilivsky USSR,

                  Oh really? But what about the leaders of the Ulyanovsk USSR? Well, with those who were shot in the Dzhugashvilevsky USSR? Do you think that does not mean anything? Just such a fun?
                  After all, I’m writing obvious things. But no, there are debaters who want to argue that black is green.
                  Quote: alexmach
                  Oh, I don’t know how it was in 1927, but my father-in-law told me about the 70s and 80s that he outlined there some of the many-volume works.

                  You listen to less father-in-law. And in general, scoops. They are not going to tell you something about their beloved “socialism”.
        3. lopvlad
          lopvlad 1 May 2018 12: 42
          +15
          Quote: Dimontius
          obviously did not shout "for the mausoleum"!


          no, they didn’t shout. But during the VICTORY Parade in 1945, the flags of the defeated fascist armies were thrown to the foot of the mausoleum, as a sign of the superiority and victory of the Soviet people over fascist Europe.
          A plywood lined mausoleum is a sign of Russia's lack of sovereignty.
          1. hdgs
            hdgs 2 May 2018 00: 33
            0
            Quote: lopvlad
            and the victories of the Soviet people over fascist Europe.

            And over France with Britain too? Are you sure about that? Recall who was one of the four main winners of Germany?
        4. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 1 May 2018 12: 55
          +5
          Quote: Dimontius
          they clearly did not shout "for the mausoleum"!

          How do you know what they were screaming?
          I once read a story: it was necessary to take the "height" .... 1-th attack from "For Stalin! For the Motherland!" choked ... 2-I attack: "For the Motherland, hooray! Forward! -also .... And 3-I ....." hooray! In god! Hell! in their fucked parents ...! ".. also .. The commander came out ... (a noisy political instructor was killed ...) and spoke briefly: If you don’t take the height by morning, in the morning German tanks will come up and you will be destroyed ... Whoever succeeds in escaping will be shot by a detachment of detachments ... Choose! The survivors went to the 4 attack .... Silently !!! The height was taken ... how much survived? And who now knows? what, Lord God!? ....
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            1. Sergey ippon
              Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 10
              0
              the Nazis ended their courage and they knew that they would be buried here.
        5. uizik
          uizik 1 May 2018 13: 10
          +4
          Lenin is our history and it is not necessary to be ashamed! Plywood the entire Kremlin and the Kremlin wall with plywood!
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        7. venik
          venik 1 May 2018 18: 41
          0
          Quote: Dimontius
          but they clearly did not shout "for the mausoleum"!

          ======
          They did not shout ANYTHING - They walked with "equal right" - ON the Mausoleum!
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      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 11: 11
        +12
        Quote: Logall
        the Red Army in the attack shouted "for Lenin, for Stalin, for their homeland"

        In the movies, they shouted like that, mostly.
        Grandfather told me somehow a little differently yes
        I believe him, the movie ... not really request
        1. KERMET
          KERMET 1 May 2018 11: 15
          +29
          The words:
          "If I perish, please consider me a communist", too, only sounded in the movies?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 11: 24
            +4
            Quote: KERMET
            If I perish, please consider me a communist

            Did you ask me a question?
            I do not know. Personally, I have not heard if you are talking about this.
          2. LSA57
            LSA57 1 May 2018 11: 51
            +3
            Quote: KERMET
            "If I perish, please consider me a communist", too, only sounded in the movies?

            But were few people going to the bonfire for Vera?
            1. Spez
              Spez 1 May 2018 13: 29
              +2
              If you compare with how many believers have burned in the name of faith, then units.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 1 May 2018 14: 13
                0
                Quote: Spez

                If you compare with how many believers have burned in the name of faith, then units.

                here is the answer. communism, the same faith. they just didn’t burn, but shot
                1. Spez
                  Spez 1 May 2018 14: 20
                  +3
                  And here the ratio is not in favor of religion. The difference is that it’s not for fear that after death it will be bad for yourself, but for the desire for a better life for your relatives and descendants. There is a difference?
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 1 May 2018 15: 12
                    0
                    Quote: Spez
                    And here the ratio is not in favor of religion

                    so how many centuries of religion and how many years of the non-communist idea?
                    and this is not the only point. one faith, young, tried to destroy the old. dry residue is visible
                    1. Spez
                      Spez 1 May 2018 15: 15
                      +2
                      And what do you see? A screen behind which conceals bribe, money-grubbing, lying and hypocrisy. True believers are even fewer than true communists.
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 1 May 2018 16: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: Spez
                        True believers are even fewer than true communists.

                        the most true of the true. Gorbachev, Yeltsin.
                        not the people called them that, the Communists themselves.
                        about the true of the remaining 14 republics, I will not say anything.
                        and after all all the "right way" went and we were led
          3. freddyk
            freddyk 1 May 2018 12: 17
            +19
            Quote: KERMET
            The words:
            "If I perish, please consider me a communist", too, only sounded in the movies?


            The trouble is that the real Communists for the most part folded their heads, since the first to rise to the attack. After the war, more and more careerists were. And the Communist Party rotted. And we must remember that it was the Communists on their shoulders who "pulled out" the war. And that the Nazi banners were thrown at the feet of Lenin. So, we also have experts in rewriting history.
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 1 May 2018 12: 49
              +2
              Quote: freddyk
              And we must remember that it was the Communists on their shoulders who "pulled out" the war.

              and all the rest sat behind the rear?
              1. freddyk
                freddyk 1 May 2018 13: 12
                +9
                Quote: LSA57
                Quote: freddyk
                And we must remember that it was the Communists on their shoulders who "pulled out" the war.

                and all the rest sat behind the rear?


                No need to juggle. I mean that the task of the Communists was an example to raise the morale of fighters.
                By the way, my grandfather explained to me his entry into the party at the front precisely by raising his spirit. The communist did not have the right to jitter.
                1. LSA57
                  LSA57 1 May 2018 13: 30
                  0
                  Quote: freddyk
                  I mean that the task of the Communists was an example to raise the morale of fighters

                  understandably. if you fight well, but not a communist, then this is no longer an example
                  1. Spez
                    Spez 1 May 2018 15: 21
                    0
                    How does this follow from the above?
          4. just exp
            just exp 1 May 2018 12: 29
            +2
            "If I perish, please consider me a communist" and these words mean "I am not dying for my family, not for my Homeland, I am dying for Lenin"?
            1. freddyk
              freddyk 1 May 2018 12: 54
              +9
              Quote: just EXPL
              "If I perish, please consider me a communist" and these words mean "I am not dying for my family, not for my Homeland, I am dying for Lenin"?


              Over time, many no longer understand that then these concepts were not separable.
              1. just exp
                just exp 1 May 2018 20: 41
                0
                the word lenin has become synonymous with the words homeland, family, children?
                not ashamed to lie like that?
                I don’t argue about what I ask you to consider a communist, but very rarely there was anyone talking about Lenin. if at least someone remembered Lenin.
        2. solzh
          solzh 1 May 2018 11: 31
          +23
          My great-grandfather told me the same thing, told how they were 41, when they went on the attack and the attack drowned, the political instructor raised them again precisely with the words: For the motherland, for Stalin! Something like that. It was a case somewhere in Ukraine, after this attack, my great-grandfather spent a year in a hospital in Baku.
          Taking this opportunity, everyone on the occasion of May 1!
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            1. freddyk
              freddyk 1 May 2018 12: 34
              +8
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Well, a political instructor, yes, I see. And on the attack with the “mother,” excuse me, they were going.


              It’s true, and no one hid it. But the truth is also that the front held onto such political officers. The first to attack with a gun, raising everyone with his own example. But this truth is not appropriate now, as can be seen from the covered mausoleum.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 12: 38
                +1
                Quote: freddyk
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                ... And the attack with the "mother", sorry, were

                It’s true, and no one hid it

                But he did not advertise - no one, either.
                Quote: freddyk
                But the truth is that the front was held by such political officers

                Not only that, I will say so.
                Quote: freddyk
                The first to attack with a gun, raising everyone with his own example. But this truth is not appropriate now, as can be seen from the covered mausoleum

                Okay. Each sees his own. All this jewelry around the Mausoleum ... somehow does not bother me much.
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                2. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2018 16: 53
                  +5
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Okay. Each sees his own. All this jewelry around the Mausoleum ... somehow does not bother me much.

                  I think for two reasons. First of all, as a person with a capitalist consciousness, that a draped mausoleum doesn’t bring any benefits and no losses, and secondly, nobody canceled the banal stupidity, and even such titans as heroes are not immune to it. laughing
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 17: 09
                    +2
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    I think for two reasons

                    Execution cannot be pardoned.
                    And I think that you only think what you think. But in fact, you don’t think that you have no body responsible for this process request
                    So you’re not just “for two,” you aren’t thinking for any reason. request
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2018 17: 46
                      +3
                      Pour off commas, if not sorry. Although, sorry, capitalism is in the yard. Sell ​​at a low price. laughing
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 18: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Pour commas

                        Do you think it will teach you to think? I’m thinking - hardly request
                      2. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2018 18: 08
                        +3
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Do you think it will teach you to think? I’m thinking - hardly request

                        You're right. Commas do not help you much in this regard. laughing
                3. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 1 May 2018 16: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Each sees his own. All this jewelry around the Mausoleum ... somehow does not bother me much.

                  I’m interested. If this plywood is set on fire, what will it be called terrorism or hooliganism?
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 17: 00
                    +2
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    If this plywood is set on fire, what will it be called terrorism or hooliganism?

                    The joke reminded me, old and kind. About the man who shouted on Red Square, and they put him in prison for this. For a year - for hooliganism, and 15 - for the disclosure of state secrets wink
        3. taiga2018
          taiga2018 1 May 2018 11: 41
          +8
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Grandfather told me somehow a little differently

          my grandfather also spoke differently, said that the commanders there could shout something to raise people, but the soldiers usually rose silently ... and so, my grandfather didn’t really like talking about the war, only some very separate episodes, and he drank very heavily after the war, although he almost did not drink before the war ...
        4. LSA57
          LSA57 1 May 2018 11: 50
          +3
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Grandfather told me somehow a little differently

          mine didn’t talk about it either request
          although it may not have been heard in the tank ... probably there was no time to scream
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 11: 53
            +1
            Quote: LSA57
            in the tank and could not be heard

            In the tank and right now - scream - do not scream ... if only you mixed up the top with the bottom on the tangent - then yes-ah-ah ... belay yeah-alec around you hear laughing
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 1 May 2018 12: 25
              +2
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              In the tank and right now - scream - do not scream ...

              Well, I wrote sarcastically smile
              burned in three tanks
          2. Vanek
            Vanek 1 May 2018 12: 43
            +4
            Quote: LSA57
            maybe it was not heard in the tank.


            Most likely ... Cho there the infantry yells. request .?

            My great-grandfather in the tank burned down when the Koenigsberg stormed.
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 1 May 2018 12: 52
              +1
              Quote: Vanek
              Most likely ... Cho there the infantry yells.

              Well, first of all, it was sarcasm in the sense of what and who from the crew was yelling)
              1. Vanek
                Vanek 2 May 2018 08: 47
                +1
                Quote: LSA57
                well first of all it's sarcasm


                Fine...

                drinks hi
        5. Nikolay Fedorov
          Nikolay Fedorov 1 May 2018 11: 58
          +13
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: Logall
          the Red Army in the attack shouted "for Lenin, for Stalin, for their homeland"

          In the movies, they shouted like that, mostly.
          Grandfather told me somehow a little differently yes
          I believe him, the movie ... not really request

          In vain you are so about your grandfather. Now everyone will rinse your grandfather, and I'm the first. Something is wrong with your grandfather ... Or you yourself so tuned your ears that you only heard what you wanted to hear ... To go on the attack with the name of Stalin in those days was the norm. The country idolized the leader. When he died, it became the deepest personal tragedy for millions of Soviet people. All this was told to me by my grandparents, as well as my mother and father.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 12: 19
            +3
            Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
            Now everyone will rinse your grandfather

            Well, no one has alternatively gifted yet ...
            Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
            and I am the first

            Congratulations. See above, as they say.
            Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
            Something is wrong with your grandfather ...

            And for this it is possible and in the loot ... do not want to?
            Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
            Or you yourself tuned your ears so that you heard only what you wanted to hear ...

            At eight years old, og ..
            Go already ... stop
          2. LSA57
            LSA57 1 May 2018 12: 30
            +2
            Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
            When he died, it became the deepest personal tragedy for millions of Soviet people.

            but I remember myself seven years old. when we were dressed in red stars with the face of little ilyich in the middle, we all said that it would be better if we died, but not him.
            Propaganda is a great thing, especially when it is poured into your ears around the clock.
            you don’t have to go far for an example. urkaina. in 4 years they made us monsters. RELATIVES turned away from us !!!
        6. freddyk
          freddyk 1 May 2018 11: 59
          +12
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: Logall
          the Red Army in the attack shouted "for Lenin, for Stalin, for their homeland"

          In the movies, they shouted like that, mostly.
          Grandfather told me somehow a little differently yes
          I believe him, the movie ... not really request


          We see, different grandfathers. My Leningrad defended as part of the Red Army. He became a communist at the front. And you did not say anything about yours.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 12: 13
            +2
            Quote: freddyk
            We see, different grandfathers

            Yes stopudovo laughing
            Quote: freddyk
            And you didn’t say anything about your

            Should he? What I wanted - I said, and I will always answer for my words yes
            1. just exp
              just exp 1 May 2018 12: 32
              +4
              Yes, this citizen will now prove that since your grandfather did not shout “for Lenin,” he either fought very poorly, almost hid in the ground, or say that your grandfather did not fight at all. and his grandfather won the war. Well, and a couple of people who won because they shouted "for Lenin"
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 1 May 2018 12: 53
                +2
                How do we know? They didn’t shout in the penal battalion ...
                1. LSA57
                  LSA57 1 May 2018 13: 34
                  +4
                  Quote: sabakina
                  How do we know? They didn’t shout in the penal battalion ..

                  They screamed. Before the attack. Gu-ha.
                  hi
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 1 May 2018 17: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: LSA57
                    They screamed. Before the attack. Gu-ha

                    Here it is not necessary, huh? My grandfather, as he told me, walked silently. To attack, as part of a penalty. Just not far advanced.
                    1. LSA57
                      LSA57 1 May 2018 17: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      My grandfather, as he told me, walked silently

                      read carefully
                      "They screamed. Before the attack. Gu-ha"
                      To attack, as part of a penalty.

                      Do you know how many penal battles were during the war? google it. there are no identical parts and the same traditions in them
        7. Vanek
          Vanek 1 May 2018 12: 38
          +2
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          I believe him, the movie ... not really


          Grandmother told me that my grandfather began to cry from a cinema lie.

          I believe him, the movie ... not really *
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 1 May 2018 12: 59
            +3
            Quote: Vanek
            Grandmother told me that my grandfather began to cry from a cinema lie.
            Yes, alas, he somehow improbably throws grenades! And shoot at the viewing slots, well, some kind of insanity!
        8. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 1 May 2018 13: 21
          +7
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Grandfather told me somehow a little differently

          Your grandfather on whose side fought and by whom? Maybe, as in the above written story, he stood in the zagradbat? And my grandfather told me that there was everything, but mostly commanders and political officers shouted. Ordinary fighters shouted "Hooray!". One thing is clear, not everyone fought in the infantry ...
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 13: 25
            +4
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Your grandfather on whose side fought and by whom? Maybe, as in the above written story, he stood in the zagradbat

            But not in the snout? I'm intolerant ...
            Grandfather fought, in particular, on the Lesser Land. Where Lenya Brezhnev PR, og.
            There he received a mine fragment in his thigh, and he died with him in the 82nd.
            Behind the broom, take a closer look, Internet entity negative
        9. Stas157
          Stas157 1 May 2018 13: 48
          +6
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Grandfather told me somehow a little differently

          Did you have a grandfather then?
          Someone above reproached me for not generalizing to the whole country what my wife told me! Aren't you Golovan? But with grandfather it turns out you can! Or maybe your relationship with "grandfather" is much closer than mine with your wife ... and therefore he then definitely tells the truth?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 14: 10
            +1
            Quote: Stas157
            Someone above reproached me for not generalizing to the whole country

            It was definitely me yes
            Quote: Stas157
            But with grandfather it turns out you can

            Show me, where and what exactly did I "generalize". Literally, please.
            Staseg, You once again climb with two legs into a bowl of margarine ... is this your hobby, or what? wink
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 1 May 2018 18: 06
              +3
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Show me where and what exactly I “generalized”. Literally, please.

              Ale! You read your opus what you blamed when I referred to the words of his wife! Do you also think tight, or have you pretended to be a teapot? I gave you an excerpt where you refer to the words of grandfather. That is, if grandfather said so, then you mean that everywhere it was. What is your logic? Hey! Turn on the brains!
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 18: 08
                0
                Quote: Stas157
                That is, if grandfather said so, then you mean that everywhere it was

                In bre-eed belay
                Quote: Stas157
                What is your logic?

                Not. Yours. I already told you that with your logic ... not very request
                PS: Ale ... on ... It's me ... on wassat
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 1 May 2018 18: 13
                  +3
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  you with logic ... not really

                  And you apparently do not have it at all!
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  I would send you, but I see from you - you only request from there
                  Puff in two holes evenly, do not cough, expert. He’ll give out slaps

                  But who and where can you send, sickly ?! From me you also a slap in the face!
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 18: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    you with logic ... not really

                    And you apparently do not have it at all

                    Well then you ask:
                    Quote: Stas157
                    What is your logic?

                    Where is the logic, Stas? laughing
                    Quote: Stas157
                    From me you also a slap in the face!

                    Stas, do you have matches? wink
        10. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 1 May 2018 14: 04
          +3
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Grandfather told me somehow a little differently

          Grandfather respect and bow to the earth.
          And to you a slap in the face for stupidity. The old-fashioned opinion was made up of personal military experience. But he fought under the leadership of a commander? Good, or - so-so? Or maybe even worse? Hence the "slightly different" stories.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 14: 08
            +1
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            And to you a slap in the face for stupidity

            belay
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Hence the "slightly different" stories

            That's all you know, you’ve been everywhere ... I’d send you, but I can see from you - you’re only from there request
            Puff in two holes evenly, do not cough, expert. He’ll give out slaps laughing
        11. tomket
          tomket 1 May 2018 14: 52
          +3
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Grandfather told me somehow a little differently

          Grandfathers are different. Your grandfather may not have shouted, my grandfather died in a concentration camp because he was a communist.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 15: 02
            +1
            Quote: tomket
            my grandfather died in a concentration camp because he was a communist

            Will we "measure" now?
            You just said exactly the following: "I could not talk about the war with my grandfather, and therefore I believe in what I saw in the movie."
            Well, believe it. Your right. And I do not really believe it, it happened. And what I believe in is written in my profile.
            Here so here request
            1. tomket
              tomket 1 May 2018 15: 37
              +2
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Will we "measure" now?

              Yes, do I need it?
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              You just said exactly the following: "I could not talk about the war with my grandfather, and therefore I believe in what I saw in the movie."

              I could not talk to my grandfather on the paternal side, but very much on the maternal side.
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Well, believe it. Your right. And I - I don’t really believe it, it happened.

              I repeat. Different grandfathers are, some give the Germans for being a communist, others willingly go to the police.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 16: 05
                +1
                Quote: tomket
                I repeat

                You did it in vain.
          2. LSA57
            LSA57 1 May 2018 15: 25
            +2
            Quote: tomket
            Your grandfather may not have shouted, my grandfather died in a concentration camp because he was a communist.

            but my cousin in the concentration camp did not die, although he was also a communist. Grandfather was a surgeon in the team at Kovpak. captured during the operation. miraculously survived. made the most difficult operation to the wife of the camp commandant.
            and after the war, on a denunciation, he sat in a Stalinist camp. Norilsk built. would be familiar with George Zhzhenov. twist of fate. made an operation to the wife of the head of the camp. stayed alive.
            so he said that the Germans were more likely to survive. on the towers were the same Bandera, as the Germans. served their 5 years and remained there to serve. like this
            1. tomket
              tomket 1 May 2018 15: 57
              0
              Quote: LSA57
              so he said that the Germans were more likely to survive.

              Apparently your grandfather was lucky. And maybe not in vain they wrote a denunciation on him.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 1 May 2018 16: 30
                +2
                Quote: tomket
                Apparently your grandfather was lucky

                I wrote how
                And maybe not in vain they wrote a denunciation on him

                and this is the essence of communist ideology
                the one who wrote the denunciation was his friend.
                seriously ill
                lying at the grandfather's clinic. grandfather treated him
                Before his death he said that he wrote a denunciation. He repented. cried. I asked my grandfather for forgiveness.
                when his grandfather died, he buried half of the city.
                I'm talking about a denunciation
                1. tomket
                  tomket 2 May 2018 00: 47
                  +1
                  Quote: LSA57
                  and this is the essence of communist ideology

                  Are you good at ideology? Are you an expert on this topic?
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 2 May 2018 01: 41
                    0
                    Quote: tomket
                    You are well versed in ideology

                    I know the past well. scammer on a scammer.
                    even now, in the 2nd century, you are justifying DONOS. from this word it should vomit, and scammers on the stake
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 1 May 2018 17: 17
              0
              Quote: LSA57
              so he said that the Germans were more likely to survive.

              The numbers can be? Who survived the German captivity, and who is ours.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 1 May 2018 17: 59
                +1
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                The numbers can be? Who survived in German captivity, and who in ours

                can you ask a smarter question ???
                did he sit in camps and counted how much survived and how much not ????
                he expressed his opinion.
                you need to think before asking a question.
                well, or read carefully
                1. tomket
                  tomket 2 May 2018 00: 53
                  +1

                  This is a photo of a field camp in which my grandfather died.
                  In this camp, according to various estimates, from 40 to 200 thousand people died. The prisoners of war drank the river, which flowed along the ravine, after a month. Ate all the grass and frogs. At this place, after the camp, nothing grew for several years. If you think, or your grandfather, that it was easier to survive in this camp than ours, then maybe you can organize an excursion? Look, then compare with our camp where your grandfather was sitting. But I suspect that if your grandfather was in such a camp, he wouldn’t carry such nonsense.
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 2 May 2018 01: 45
                    0
                    Quote: tomket
                    If you think, or your grandfather, that in this camp it was easier to survive than ours,

                    firstly, I don’t think anything, I wasn’t there.
                    but where do you get knowledge of our and their camps? both were there ???
                    read the memories of those who passed the Gulag. not solzhenitsin. Varlam Shalamov
        12. venik
          venik 1 May 2018 18: 47
          +3
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          In the movies, they shouted like that, mostly.
          Grandfather told me something a little differently yes
          I believe him, the movie ... not really

          ========
          And here is the uncle for me - it was SO and told: They shouted: "For the Motherland! For Stalin" !! (And he screamed like that!).
          Father - he did NOT shout ANYTHING, because he did not go to ATAKU (he was a navigator on "pawns", and there, especially at the exit from the dive, you won’t be sore !!) ....
        13. Sergey ippon
          Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 12
          0
          that no koment is trolling, how is it at the service of the oligarchs?
          all not to wave a shovel, or to twist a steering wheel?
          from Moscow or according to your Petersburg?
        14. MILOS6
          MILOS6 1 May 2018 21: 30
          0
          And the grandfather was in what camp, my grandfather said exactly what it was, for Lenin and Stalin. And in 41 from the parade they went straight to the battle, but by the way, your grandfather did not know about this apparently in the camps
      3. 210ox
        210ox 1 May 2018 11: 17
        +26
        Well, if it’s “not kosher” for our leaders to stand on the rostrum of the Mausoleum, then let the rostrum be set aside a little..And it's embarrassing to cover our history. Especially on the Great Holiday. Alexander, good afternoon hi
        Quote: Logall
        And the fact that the Red Army in the attack shouted "for Lenin, for Stalin, for the homeland" does not mean anything to you?
        This story. Our history! And the parade of the 45th year was held near the mausoleum ...
        1. tomket
          tomket 1 May 2018 14: 54
          +4
          Quote: 210ox
          Well, if it’s “not kosher” for our leaders to stand on the podium

          Oh does not justify the GDP granted a loan of trust, oh does not justify ......
      4. taiga2018
        taiga2018 1 May 2018 11: 23
        +11
        Quote: Logall
        This story. Our history!

        I agree, otherwise we all blame the ex-brothers, they say they give up their history, and it turns out we are also shy of some pages of our own history, especially since Lenin was not the worst leader ...
      5. LSA57
        LSA57 1 May 2018 11: 47
        +2
        Quote: Logall
        And the fact that the Red Army in the attack shouted "for Lenin, for Stalin, for their homeland"

        but in the war of 1812 no one "For Alexander I" shouted. and won
        and in other wars too.
        1. Spez
          Spez 1 May 2018 13: 32
          +4
          "For God, the Tsar and the Fatherland!" not familiar with the phrase?
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 1 May 2018 14: 19
            +1
            Quote: Spez
            "For God, the Tsar and the Fatherland!" not familiar with the phrase?

            never shouted like that. this is a motto. in the attack they shouted a simple “Hurray”
            1. Spez
              Spez 1 May 2018 14: 27
              +4
              Quote: LSA57
              this is a motto
              And what's wrong ?! They didn’t sing hymns on the run either in the Fatherland or in the Imperialist. The conversation was about how to raise the attack, but here without slogans and slogans could not do.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 1 May 2018 15: 30
                +1
                Quote: Spez
                The conversation was about how to raise the attack, but here without slogans and slogans could not do.

                and who knows how to raise an attack in those wars? no witnesses, and almost no documents.
                But do not tell how in Afghanistan and Chechnya they raised an attack?
                1. Spez
                  Spez 1 May 2018 15: 41
                  +4
                  In Afghanistan, to attack, from a trench, to an enemy line of defense ... Have you gone wrong ?!
                  And in Chechnya, except for the mat after sudden explosions and firing, there was no particular talk. By the way, in Chechnya there was no Union anymore, and in the army a complete p ... q was going on.
                  In general, congratulations, your bubbles are excellent, but the radius of the circles on the surface of the water is still small.
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 1 May 2018 16: 38
                    +2
                    Quote: Spez
                    In Afghanistan, on the attack, from the trench,

                    didn’t go on the attack? and the trenches at what?
                    And in Chechnya, except for the mat after sudden explosions and shooting, there wasn’t much talk

                    and during the Second World War pushed?
                    By the way, in Chechnya there was no Union anymore, and in the army a complete p ... q was going on.

                    But what does the union have to do with it? I mean that they scream when they go on the attack
                    So if it weren’t for a mess, they shouted something?
                    the bubbles you get are excellent,

                    that's where the bubbles popped up.
                    the conversation was about health, you turned it over for peace
                    1. Spez
                      Spez 1 May 2018 16: 59
                      +3
                      Well, tell me how they went in attack in Afghanistan, and about Chechnya too, since my answer does not suit you. Suddenly you know more than me, and even if you held the machine in your hands ...
                      The union here is the same, with Alexander I. The mess and the absence of political workers, as well as the objectives of the military operation nullified the motivation of the commanders, and then on the ranking. Their venality and sloppiness also did not add zeal to subordinates.
                      But, in fact, this information is not interesting to you, you are already not only bubbles here, but the boats have begun to start up.
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 1 May 2018 18: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: Spez
                        Well, tell me how they went in attack in Afghanistan, and about Chechnya too, since my answer does not suit you.

                        Well, certainly for Brezhnev, for Yeltsin did not shout
                        The union here is the same, and at that Alexander I.

                        can you still read how the conversation began?
                        otherwise you look silly with bubbles and ships.
                        got into the very middle and lost the coast
                  2. Sergey ippon
                    Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 15
                    0
                    flyers (our flyers), combing the rows of our columns on rooks, especially got it.
            2. freddyk
              freddyk 1 May 2018 14: 36
              +3
              Quote: LSA57
              Quote: Spez
              "For God, the Tsar and the Fatherland!" not familiar with the phrase?

              never shouted like that. this is a motto. in the attack they shouted a simple “Hurray”


              Forgot to add, “As I Remember Now” and “I Will Not See an Age of Will”))))
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 1 May 2018 15: 32
                +1
                Quote: freddyk
                Forgot to add - "As I Remember Now"

                oh, and you yourself shouted about Stalin belay
                well then you don’t see her
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 1 May 2018 14: 07
          +2
          Quote: LSA57

          but in the war of 1812 no one "For Alexander I" shouted. and won
          and in other wars too.

          Why didn’t they shout? Screaming! For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland !!!
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 1 May 2018 15: 33
            +1
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Why didn’t they shout? Screaming! For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland !!!

            are you in the movie "Hussar Ballad Saw"?
            I will not remember this
      6. Nick
        Nick 1 May 2018 12: 24
        +4
        Quote: Logall
        And the fact that the Red Army in the attack shouted "for Lenin, for Stalin, for the homeland" does not mean anything to you?

        The soldiers shouted in the attack a simple Russian Hurray! The adrenaline in the attack is such that no complicated phrases remain in the head, the Russian mat is still on reflexes.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 1 May 2018 12: 55
          +3
          Quote: Nick
          The adrenaline in the attack is such that no complicated phrases remain in the head, the Russian mat is still on reflexes.

          yes, until all this mantra you utter ... the battle will end
          1. Nick
            Nick 1 May 2018 13: 40
            +2
            Quote: LSA57
            Quote: Nick
            The adrenaline in the attack is such that no complicated phrases remain in the head, the Russian mat is still on reflexes.

            yes, until all this mantra you utter ... the battle will end

            That's it!
          2. tomket
            tomket 1 May 2018 14: 56
            +1
            Quote: LSA57
            yes, until all this mantra you utter ... the battle will end

            There, while the column or square reaches the point of contact with the enemy, you can declare War and Peace at the chant.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 15: 08
              +1
              Quote: tomket
              Quote: LSA57
              yes, until all this mantra you utter ... the battle will end

              There, while the column or square reaches the point of contact with the enemy, you can declare War and Peace at the chant.

              You are healthy? Which column? What mashed potatoes ???
              Stalin at the time of the "pillars" was not yet in the project ...
              1. tomket
                tomket 1 May 2018 15: 38
                +1
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Stalin at the time of the "pillars" was not yet in the project ...

                I'm talking about the 1812 war of the year that they shouted For Faith! The king! And the Fatherland! or something different.
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                2. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 16: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: tomket
                  or something different

                  You, the campaign, doesn’t care what exactly they shouted there. Just to prove myself.
                  Yes, smart you, smart. The best. Be scared already yes
              2. tomket
                tomket 2 May 2018 01: 32
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                You are healthy? Which column? What mashed potatoes ???

                I’m healthy, but with your eyesight it’s not very, or can’t you read?
            2. LSA57
              LSA57 1 May 2018 15: 34
              +2
              Quote: tomket
              There is still a column or square

              during World War II? belay
      7. Hire
        Hire 1 May 2018 12: 53
        +11
        Alexander, hi
        Quote: Logall
        This story. Our history!

        Then you need to fully cover the story. Lenin = Brest Peace, i.e. surrender to the Germans; Stalin = Victory over German Nazism.
        If:
        Quote: Logall
        "for Lenin, for Stalin, for the Motherland"

        Then it should be like this:
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 1 May 2018 14: 13
          +6
          Quote: Hire

          Then you need to fully cover the story. Lenin = Brest Peace, i.e. surrender to the Germans; Stalin = Victory over German Nazism.

          Well, why blurt out the language if you do not know the essence of the matter?
          The Brest peace is not surrender, but a smart political move. Already in November 1918 it was canceled without any damage to Russia.
          1. Hire
            Hire 1 May 2018 18: 06
            +4
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Well, why blurt out the language

            ABOUT! I recognize a frantic communist: start a conversation immediately with rudeness. It’s good that there’s no way to shoot from the Mauser. smile
            1. Sergey ippon
              Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 16
              0
              It’s a pity there’s no possibility of firing a Mauser!
              on the enemies of the people.
      8. lopvlad
        lopvlad 1 May 2018 12: 54
        +4
        Quote: Logall
        the Red Army in the attack shouted "for Lenin, for Stalin, for their homeland"


        they always shouted in this order "For the Homeland, for Stalin" and the Homeland has always been above all for the Soviet man. The Russian people are in their hearts the imperial people and always have remained so, but the power we have is different.
        For the Russian people, the only and most acceptable form of the country's existence is the empire. In other forms of the country's existence, the Russian people are degrading, drinking and dying with terrible force.
      9. midivan
        midivan 1 May 2018 13: 04
        +7
        Quote: Logall
        And the fact that the Red Army in the attack shouted "for Lenin, for Stalin, for the homeland" does not mean anything to you?

        Alexander hi ! And it doesn’t even matter!
        Quote: Logall
        This story. Our history!

        That is what matters! Yes, this is our story and no matter what it is, ours! And since we did not participate in her creation, we do not have the right to condemn her only because we had a lot of time to build our own but did not use it, but accepted the one that we had been tapped into from the west. Therefore, I think Cowardice to close their historical monuments to please Western prostitutes. Yes, I don’t respect the tsar and don’t repent how our leadership does on banners along the roads (they’ve taken them off now), but I don’t respect the weakness and idleness, otherwise I can’t explain for myself what happened at 17, there’s no respect for the subsequent the descendants of those who lived after I.V. Stalin for they betrayed the Leader and the Idea and placed their mercantile interests above the Homeland. And what remains for us ?, one thing is not to be ashamed of our history and keep it of our last strength so as not to squander those remnants of dignity that we still have.
      10. Vita vko
        Vita vko 1 May 2018 13: 18
        +7
        Quote: Logall
        This story. Our history!

        Do not forget about the ideas of social justice and the rights of workers, for which not only communists went to death. The fact that the top of the Soviet party democracy has perverted all this does not beg for the significance of building a society with equal rights for all, free from exploitation, poverty and unemployment.
      11. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 1 May 2018 13: 40
        +3
        Quote: Logall
        And the fact that the Red Army in the attack shouted "for Lenin, for Stalin,

        The grandfather, who had gone through the whole war since June 27, 1941, said shouting: "Hurray !!!!! AAA !!!! E ... your mother!" And other obscene language. Running into the attack, under the bullets is not easy. I think it was not up to ideology ..
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 14: 13
          +2
          Quote: 30 vis
          "Hooray !!!!! AAA !!!! ... your mother!" And other obscene language

          Similarly.
      12. TsUS-Air Force
        TsUS-Air Force 1 May 2018 13: 46
        +1
        bury Lenin !!! Judging by current standards, this is a terrorist! and judging by your words, let's build mausoleums on the Red Square. how many years did the soldiers shout for the faith of the king and the fatherland? each king in the mausoleum?
      13. Irokez
        Irokez 1 May 2018 14: 07
        +5
        The history of the Kremlin is large and not a single leader throughout this history has been buried near the walls of the Kremlin, therefore, traditions must be observed. And the story she is the story no one denies, but some want to rewrite the truth.

      14. Varyag77
        Varyag77 1 May 2018 15: 15
        +1
        Quote: Logall
        And the fact that the Red Army in the attack shouted "for Lenin, for Stalin, for the homeland" does not mean anything to you?
        This story. Our history! And the parade of the 45th year was held near the mausoleum ...

        You are sure of that. Is not it? You shouted with them.
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      16. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 1 May 2018 16: 27
        +6
        This is the whole "plywood" essence of those in power, there is no idea other than "cutting the dough and dumping it. They cover Lenin so that he does not see the current lawlessness of thieves in power .. (Abramlovichi, the ex-governor of Chukotka, buy an English football club for stolen billions, here from Lenin and fenced off plywood in every sense ...
      17. friend of animals
        friend of animals 1 May 2018 17: 28
        +1
        They screamed at the mat and didn’t die for the leaders. Enough for people to powder their brains.
        1. Sergey ippon
          Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 19
          0
          if they didn’t know and didn’t shout for Stalin, For the Motherland they would have surrendered the country in 2 weeks, and what to lose under capitalism?
      18. Comrade Beria
        Comrade Beria 1 May 2018 17: 46
        +2
        Quote: Logall
        And the fact that the Red Army in the attack shouted "for Lenin, for Stalin, for the homeland" does not mean anything to you?



        1941 however. And Lenin is not visible. Why do not you say?

        My opinion is that it’s not good to arrange a celebration on the grave, especially since Lenin had nothing to do with the Great Victory.
      19. Sergey Medvedev
        Sergey Medvedev 1 May 2018 17: 48
        +1
        Quote: Logall
        This story. Our history! And the parade of the 45th year was held near the mausoleum ...

        And the fact that Lenin created Ukraine, with which such strains are now, are you also putting him a plus? Behind him and a bunch of other stocks. My opinion is to remove Lenin from Red Square along with the mausoleum. And not plywood to hammer in. Remove all the dead from Red Square, both from the wall and from under the wall. Unknown Soldier leave. So he is the winner. With a capital letter.
      20. SHURUM -BURUM
        SHURUM -BURUM 1 May 2018 22: 08
        +2
        The mausoleum from which the Victors watched as fascist banners fell to the earth - to close, it’s a disgrace ... and this is on Victory Day! Yes, you need to earn the right to stand in this place. Small you to stand where Stalin stood
      21. hdgs
        hdgs 2 May 2018 00: 35
        0
        Quote: Logall
        And the fact that the Red Army in the attack shouted "for Lenin, for Stalin, for the homeland" does not mean anything to you?

        Who told you what non-partisan Red Army men shouted? Yes, and whether the Red Army? Rather, political officers and party organizers.
      22. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 2 May 2018 03: 59
        0
        Quote: Logall
        And the fact that the Red Army in the attack shouted "for Lenin, for Stalin, for the homeland" does not mean anything to you?
        This story. Our history! And the parade of the 45th year was held near the mausoleum ...

        Hello!! YOU do not correctly interpret the personality of Lenin, find in the history of a person whose ideas have turned the whole world, Not a country World, Equality of all before all, gender equality, etc., This is at a time when the whole world was divided into colonies and gentlemen, It’s impossible today’s positions to evaluate what our distant ancestors have done now, China made the right decision, the story took place and it’s impossible to slander the mud, One hundred years have passed, it’s not enough but everyone can see the results, Where are the great colonies, Never will Western democracies forgive us The revolution is never, scary what we do with our own hands destroys the brightly illuminated that terrible world in which our ancestors lived, And finally, remember when you created and for whom a complex called Artek, These are the roots from there,
        1. hdgs
          hdgs 2 May 2018 08: 36
          0
          Quote: igor.borov775
          This is at a time when the whole world was divided into colonies and gentlemen

          So it was, is and will always be. Fighting this is like fighting a sunrise.
          Quote: igor.borov775
          It is impossible to evaluate from today's positions what our now distant ancestors did

          Why is this? Why can't a villain be called a villain?
          Quote: igor.borov775
          In China, the right decision was made, the story took place and it’s impossible to slander mud

          In China, an authoritarian communist regime is in power. There are a lot of things you can’t.
          But something I do not see the "happy people of China." China so far stands out only with a huge population. And the fact that its shock development came to an end, because politics eventually defeated the economy. And in 20-30 years, China will turn into what countries usually do under communist rule.
          Quote: igor.borov775
          Western democracies will never forgive us. Revolution will never

          What is it?
          In Russia, as far as I remember, there were 3 revolutions.
          1. The feudal 1861
          2. The bourgeois March 1917
          3. Feudal 1991, ie after all the manipulations of the Bolshevik Communists, 130 years for the development of the country were simply lost. A lagging beat.
          There were no more revolutions in Russia, despite all the talk of the Bolsheviks.
          At the same time, the territory of Russia was in a reactionary coup (this, like a revolution, just the opposite).
          1. Creeping in October 1917 - January 1918 This liquidated in Russia the nascent bourgeois society (and at the same time Russia itself), returning (not immediately) the TAR in the country to a state of feudal society. But with a new "aristocracy". The "architect" was Ulyanov.
          2. 1927, the beginning of the "building of socialism." This eliminated the feudal society in the USSR, transferring TDOs and watered. system in the country into a state of slave society. The "architect" was Dzhugashvili.
          Quote: igor.borov775
          it’s scary that we destroy with our own hands that brightly illuminated that terrible world in which our ancestors lived

          Indeed, why treat a cancerous tumor?
          It would be time to realize that the cancer of "socialism" was "illuminating the world." Such a sore. Scary.
    2. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 1 May 2018 11: 05
      +5
      Quote: Dimontius
      There is nothing to look at the grave on such a beautiful spring holiday. All with May Day! drinks

      If Lenin is good, is it good to stand on the grave during the holidays?
      If Lenin is bad, is it good to stand on the grave during the holidays?
      1. Dimontius
        Dimontius 1 May 2018 11: 07
        +1
        Lenin is a story, good, bad - it no longer matters to the modern world, but there is a grave now.
        1. cerbuk6155
          cerbuk6155 1 May 2018 11: 57
          +8
          Not a grave, but a mausoleum is the first. Second, you can see for a long time already forgot where your ancestors lie. And third, you are not Russian and not a resident of the peoples of Russia-Bandera.
          1. Comrade Beria
            Comrade Beria 1 May 2018 17: 50
            0
            Quote: cerbuk6155
            Not a grave, but a mausoleum is the first

            Explain the difference?
            Quote: cerbuk6155
            Second, you can see for a long time already forgot where your ancestors lie.

            Do you remember everyone?
            Quote: cerbuk6155
            And third, you are not Russian and not a resident of the peoples of Russia-Bandera.

            Directly slap seal "enemy of the people." Any anniversary.
      2. Nick
        Nick 1 May 2018 12: 31
        +1
        Quote: Vkd dvk
        If Lenin is good, is it good to stand on the grave during the holidays?
        If Lenin is bad, is it good to stand on the grave during the holidays?

        Moreover, Lenin is not in business. And the design of the building of the Mausoleum with festive symbols is not a political, but a design decision. There is nothing to break spears about. let the decorators butt each other
        1. midivan
          midivan 1 May 2018 13: 10
          +7
          Quote: Nick
          And the design of the building of the Mausoleum with festive symbols is not a political, but a design decision.

          And now we have one solid design decision, and everyone has one and all, design and Feng Shui is our everything! Ugh b ... in another language does not turn.
          1. Nick
            Nick 1 May 2018 13: 44
            +2
            Quote: midivan
            And now we have one solid design decision, and everyone has one and all, design and Feng Shui is our everything! Ugh b ... in another language does not turn.

            Do not generalize, Russia is big and different. This is not a montecarla for you, anyway ... fellow
            1. midivan
              midivan 1 May 2018 13: 54
              +1
              Quote: Nick
              Do not generalize, Russia is big and different.

              Yes, yes. The idea is one - its own jo.a fellow closer to the body sad
        2. tomket
          tomket 1 May 2018 14: 59
          +2
          Quote: Nick
          not a political, but a design decision. There is nothing to break spears about. let the decorators butt each other

          These are the ones that on the posters regularly draw the Wehrmacht soldiers on the “tigers” for 9 and 23?)))))
        3. Varyag77
          Varyag77 1 May 2018 15: 17
          0
          Quote: Nick
          Quote: Vkd dvk
          If Lenin is good, is it good to stand on the grave during the holidays?
          If Lenin is bad, is it good to stand on the grave during the holidays?

          Moreover, Lenin is not in business. And the design of the building of the Mausoleum with festive symbols is not a political, but a design decision. There is nothing to break spears about. let the decorators butt each other

          Of course he’s out of business. After all, the Bolsheviks violated his request to bury him in the cemetery. Name forgot unfortunately
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 1 May 2018 14: 17
        0
        Quote: Vkd dvk

        If Lenin is good, is it good to stand on the grave during the holidays?
        If Lenin is bad, is it good to stand on the grave during the holidays?

        And you try to see the difference between the grave and the mausoleum and immediately in your head everything will "settle down."
        1. net0103net
          net0103net 1 May 2018 15: 24
          +1
          There is a custom of burying the dead. Russia is a Russian state. The custom is one for all. Moreover, this carrion should be buried and soon.
        2. Comrade Beria
          Comrade Beria 1 May 2018 17: 56
          0
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          And you try to see the difference between the grave and the mausoleum and immediately in your head everything will "settle down."

          The Mausoleum is a monument, a funerary structure that included a chamber where the remains of the deceased were placed, and sometimes a memorial hall. Named after the magnificent tomb of the Carian king Mausoleum in the city of Halicarnassus ...


          Grave - the burial place of a dead body, often human. A freshly dug pit for burial is also called. As a rule, graves are called burials in the ground.
      4. net0103net
        net0103net 1 May 2018 15: 33
        0
        Very good point)
      5. net0103net
        net0103net 1 May 2018 15: 44
        0
        very valuable note)
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          1. Sergey ippon
            Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 22
            0
            and those who interfered with the wipe?
    3. vorobey
      vorobey 1 May 2018 11: 11
      +11
      Quote: Dimontius
      There is nothing to look at the grave on such a beautiful spring holiday. All with May Day! drinks


      whatever you say this is part of our history .. I am not a supporter of the mausoleum but ... once again it is part of our history and self-identification .. do not care what was good and what is bad .. we stayed Russian with our roots. soul and language .. erasing one thing from history for the sake of another is not right .. and you don’t need to combine the Germans and tear their hair for the sins of the past ... otherwise we won’t

      open the dictionary and find the meaning of the word whore or shlendra ... let's leave this Khokhlov and exceptional to be historical whores
      1. Dimontius
        Dimontius 1 May 2018 11: 16
        +2
        open the dictionary and find the meaning of the word whore or shlendra ... let's leave this Khokhlov and exceptional to be historical whores

        Have you already noticed, sir? what are you, sorry? request
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 1 May 2018 11: 18
          +11
          Quote: Dimontius
          open the dictionary and find the meaning of the word whore or shlendra ... let's leave this Khokhlov and exceptional to be historical whores

          Have you already noticed, sir? what are you, sorry? request


          I’m trying to understand what you’re talking about .. are you ashamed of your stories?
          1. Dimontius
            Dimontius 1 May 2018 11: 21
            +3
            all-finish. I don’t bear it, I agree with the presidential administration. And you have the affairs of a hundred years ago, a burning topic. Therefore, Maidan occur, live in the past.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 1 May 2018 11: 23
              +20
              Quote: Dimontius
              all-finish. I don’t bear it, I agree with the presidential administration. And you have the affairs of a hundred years ago, a burning topic. Therefore, Maidan occur, live in the past.


              unlike you mobile and flexible, I am conservative as ancestors .. and I do not agree with the presidential administration in this matter ..
            2. cerbuk6155
              cerbuk6155 1 May 2018 12: 02
              +5
              So I got it. You have written the case a hundred years ago-Bandera counter appeared to us. Got a chipper counter. soldier
          2. Varyag77
            Varyag77 1 May 2018 15: 19
            0
            Quote: vorobey
            Quote: Dimontius
            open the dictionary and find the meaning of the word whore or shlendra ... let's leave this Khokhlov and exceptional to be historical whores

            Have you already noticed, sir? what are you, sorry? request


            I’m trying to understand what you’re talking about .. are you ashamed of your stories?

            Well, I think 1 day a year against 364 (365) is not such a great attempt to rewrite history. Is not it?
      2. Nick
        Nick 1 May 2018 12: 36
        +1
        Quote: vorobey
        whatever you say this is part of our history .. I am not a supporter of the mausoleum but ... once again it is part of our history and self-identification .. do not care what was good and what is bad .. we stayed Russian with our roots. soul and language .. erasing one thing from history for the sake of another is not right .. and you don’t need to combine the Germans and tear their hair for the sins of the past ... otherwise we won’t
        open the dictionary and find the meaning of the word whore or shlendra ... let's leave this Khokhlov and exceptional to be historical whores

        A lot of words about nothing. No problem. The mausoleum and the one who lives in it remain in place. A holiday will pass, holiday symbols and FFSO will be removed!
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    4. figwam
      figwam 1 May 2018 11: 13
      +6
      Quote: Dimontius
      There is nothing to look at the grave on such a beautiful spring holiday. All with May Day! drinks

      All year is possible, but not today? Under the Kremlin wall and in the wall the same troupe lie.
      1. Dimontius
        Dimontius 1 May 2018 11: 18
        +2
        Quote: figvam
        Quote: Dimontius
        There is nothing to look at the grave on such a beautiful spring holiday. All with May Day! drinks

        All year is possible, but not today? Under the Kremlin wall and in the wall the same troupe lie.

        The walls rest on the wall. And you yourself already thought up corpses.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 1 May 2018 11: 22
          +8
          Quote: Dimontius
          The walls rest on the wall. And you yourself already thought up corpses.

          Quote: Dimontius
          Lenin is a story, good, bad - it no longer matters to the modern world, but there is a grave now.


          and how does one grave differ from another .. a veil and a wall with a banner then ...
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        1. Sergey ippon
          Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 24
          0
          go bandera to yourself, everything is clear and understandable there -tse Europe.
    5. common man
      common man 1 May 2018 11: 29
      +15
      Actually, the cathedrals of the Kremlin are also burials. Also massive. Do not forget to sheathe them with plywood for the duration of the stashes of horse guards. And there and there are graves and military parades.
      Quote: Dimontius
      All with May Day

      do not forget that May Day thanks to the Communists celebrate.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 1 May 2018 11: 56
        +4
        Quote: man in the street
        May Day thanks to the Communists celebrate.

        oh, and if this is not the first, Russia will disappear? then let’s remember what it was originally called. "The day of the worker's solidarity". Well, where is this solidarity?
        and you don’t know that most of the population meets him like that?
        1. common man
          common man 1 May 2018 12: 27
          +2
          Quote: LSA57
          oh, and if this is not the first, Russia will disappear

          Name at least one holiday without which Russia will disappear. March 8? 12 June? Maybe New Year?
          Quote: LSA57
          and you don’t know that most of the population meets him like that?

          If May 1 was not a day off, they would not be doing the same thing during the day, but at night from the 1st to the 2nd. Instead of giving birth to children. fellow
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 1 May 2018 13: 00
            +2
            Quote: man in the street
            Name at least one holiday without which Russia will disappear.

            there are no such. but how is the first in this case different from the others?
            Instead of giving birth to children. fellow

            and here you are wrong. wink
        2. Nikolai Petrov
          Nikolai Petrov 1 May 2018 13: 13
          0
          Dear, for all those who reckon with socialism that has fed them, the question is backfill: Show at least the likeness of this photo, but of the time of hated socialism by you.
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 1 May 2018 13: 44
            +6
            Quote: Nikolai Petrov
            Show at least the semblance of this photo, but from the time you hated socialism.

            word CENSOR forgotten?
            I can tell you verbally.
            rented a blast furnace
            solemn meeting in management. begin to read out to whom what award.
            Head of Department - 5 salaries
            chief accountant - 3 salaries
            and so on downward
            team leaders - from 5 to 10 rubles.
            workers - 3 rubles.
            applause.
            a hard worker rises
            "I propose to transfer the entire award to the Peace Fund"
            you can’t imagine what a noise. all the authorities began to persuade the hard workers to take the money to their wives. this is not a joke
            here is social justice, here is the solidarity of the working people
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 1 May 2018 14: 09
              +4
              Quote: LSA57
              "I propose to transfer the entire award to the Peace Fund"

              And now try to offer something similar.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 1 May 2018 15: 38
                +1
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                And now try to offer something similar.

                What for?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 1 May 2018 16: 52
                  +1
                  And for the sake of laughter. Only, there would be one answer: "Sit down, Masha!"
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 1 May 2018 18: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    "Sit down, Masha!"

                    Klava, decided to troll?
                    ugh on you ... and ugh again No.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 1 May 2018 23: 13
                      +1
                      Quote: LSA57
                      Klava, decided to troll?

                      You yourself Klava.
                      Quote: LSA57
                      ugh on you ... and ugh again

                      Do not forget to monitor.
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        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 1 May 2018 13: 40
          +6
          Quote: LSA57
          and you don’t know that most of the population meets him like that?

          No, not in the know. Most of the population does what he wanders about. By the way, they already offered to introduce a license for barbecue in the forest.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 13: 48
            +2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            already offered a license for barbecue in the forest to introduce

            We are stupidly driven. Foresters, country-a-aaaashnyyyy belay
            IMHO correctly, by the way: and less garbage, and do not burn (pah-pah-pah) for three or four years already in my memory.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 1 May 2018 13: 54
              +9
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              and less garbage, and do not burn (pah-pah-pah) for three or four years already in my memory.

              And you just don’t need to swine. We sat on barbecue and with foresters, and with fish protection. They just cleaned everything after themselves. And everyone was happy. request
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 13: 56
                +2
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                And just do not pig

                Yes, that’s understandable. To me, for example. I grew up in the forest, in practice, and I respect the forest.
                But there are still those who all one pigs request
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 1 May 2018 14: 04
                  +3
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  But there are still those who all one pigs

                  Yeah. We have quarries here, the water is clean, and on the shore, garbage in places from "tourists". Only we strayed somewhere. It seems that the topic was about the Mausoleum. wink
              2. LSA57
                LSA57 1 May 2018 14: 25
                +2
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                And just do not pig

                We used to have an air show every year. then they stopped spending. they say that after him the soldiers almost a week cleaned up the dirt and debris.
                Kharchevsky was tired of all this and he stopped spending
        4. Sergey ippon
          Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 25
          0
          yeah, without any holiday will not disappear, no?
      2. Andrey K
        Andrey K 1 May 2018 12: 03
        +7
        Quote: man in the street
        ... do not forget that May Day thanks to the Communists celebrate ...

        Oppa belay
        Open a new page of history lol
        May Day arose in the middle of the XNUMXth century in the labor movement. Then there were no communists yes
        1. common man
          common man 1 May 2018 12: 29
          +5
          Quote: Andrey K
          May Day arose in the middle of the XNUMXth century in the labor movement

          Only you, unlike them, do not hide in ravines and do not run from the police. Or are you running?
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 1 May 2018 12: 40
            +5
            Quote: man in the street
            ... Only you, unlike them, do not hide in ravines and do not run from the police. Or are you running? ...

            Do not flood.
            Do not translate the topic of conversation into personalities, not beautifully.
            If you are throwing slogans, be so kind as to know the story, and not misinterpret it as you please.
        2. LSA57
          LSA57 1 May 2018 12: 33
          +3
          Quote: Andrey K
          May Day arose in the middle of the XNUMXth century in the labor movement.

          were. under the floor. or underground request in general, few have heard of them lol
        3. 22 dmdc
          22 dmdc 1 May 2018 13: 54
          +2
          May 1, 1886, Chicago, USA.
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 1 May 2018 14: 07
            +2
            Quote: 22 dmdc
            ... May 1, 1886 Chicago, USA ...

            A little earlier, the Chicagoans took the Australian strike of 1856 as an example.
      3. Nick
        Nick 1 May 2018 12: 51
        +4
        Quote: man in the street
        do not forget that May Day thanks to the Communists celebrate.

        Like !, - the communists organized the execution of Chicago workers belay Requiring shortened working hours? And why then we do not celebrate the day of June 1, when the communists shot Novocherkassk workers who demanded better working conditions and higher wages? The flaw on their part, however ...
      4. Varyag77
        Varyag77 1 May 2018 15: 26
        0
        Quote: man in the street
        Actually, the cathedrals of the Kremlin are also burials. Also massive. Do not forget to sheathe them with plywood for the duration of the stashes of horse guards. And there and there are graves and military parades.

        believe me. if Lenin lay like the rest in the ground near the Kremlin wall. There would be no questions at all.

        Quote: man in the street
        do not forget that May Day thanks to the Communists celebrate.

        Another worthless holiday in a whole series of type March 8 and February 23. And this is perfectly confirmed that society perceives it stupidly as a day off. Oh ... one more day off. Fine. I’ll go to the country. That's all.
        The holiday should be solemn and significant. for example, May 9th. this is a HOLIDAY. and the first of may. Well, not ale at all. And with an alliance, people stupidly drove to worthless demonstrations instead of giving rest. Class. Workers' Day will be celebrated as a holiday .. the truth is first half a day in the demonstrations we go. as in the army, "What is not rest, then active, not holiday, then sports."
        Hooray comrades
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2018 17: 59
          +2
          Do not whistle, such as you just start. It's funny to hear how a small parasite is taken to speak on behalf of the people. And yes, the holiday does not owe you anything. laughing
      5. net0103net
        net0103net 1 May 2018 15: 29
        0
        I really don’t need it. Like many others.
        1. Sergey ippon
          Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 27
          +1
          in Bandera, yes, not needed.
          Yes, and we only need an echo of normal time ..
    6. Tusv
      Tusv 1 May 2018 11: 49
      +10
      Quote: Dimontius
      There is nothing to look at the grave on such a beautiful spring holiday. All with May Day!

      Nothing to be ashamed of your story, whatever it may be hi And in terms of architecture, granite is more poetic than plywood against the backdrop of the Kremlin. drinks
      1. net0103net
        net0103net 1 May 2018 15: 31
        0
        Respect for death and life is more important than history. History is a period of time. Death and life are eternal concepts. We will not be - and they will remain, as well as the memory of their traitors ..
    7. cerbuk6155
      cerbuk6155 1 May 2018 11: 49
      +6
      The very first began to rewrite history, and now howl about others. Forgot your story and your ancestors and leaders. And the story that is going on now in the future will be said about it that at that time some traitors and corrupt sellers lived. So it is, rewrote everything and everyone. And congratulations from you on what spring holiday, on which May Day, he generally appeared in Australia. He looked sick at the Mausoleum, such pure enemies of our people. They rewrite and continue to rewrite our history. Negative pro-American liberal. soldier am am am
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 1 May 2018 12: 35
        +4
        Quote: cerbuk6155
        He looked sick at the Mausoleum, such pure enemies of our people.

        aha. urgently revive article 38 !!! not hung up on labels?
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2018 18: 02
          +1
          Right. That is, no. Shortcuts are not right. I would just shoot you for chronic stupidity. So already the country because of you humanoid how many centuries suffers. laughing
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 1 May 2018 12: 46
        +8
        Quote: cerbuk6155
        And congratulations from you on what spring holiday, on which May Day, he generally appeared in Australia.

        Oh la! Yes, this is the oldest or one of the oldest holidays on earth that has survived to this day: "The ancient history of May Day
        May holidays were celebrated several millennia ago by the inhabitants of Ancient Italy in honor of the goddess Maya, the patroness of the earth and fertility. By the way, it was this goddess who gave the name to the last month of spring. On May 1, celebrations were held so that the labor expended in the spring (plowing the land, sowing) was not in vain. Since the XVIII century, the Catholics this holiday takes on a religious character. First of all, this is due to the fact that May was dedicated to the Mother of God.
        History and traditions of May Day. Photo of the site 24.ua
        The day of the worker's solidarity
        Many people think that May 1 as the Day of Workers' Solidarity was invented by the Communists ... But this is not at all!
        On May 1, 1886, Chicago workers staged a strike and demonstration demanding an 8-hour workday. All this ended in a bloody clash with the police. "Read more at the link
        https://www.kport.info/dosug/postcard/?ELEMENT_ID
        = 6371
        1. 22 dmdc
          22 dmdc 1 May 2018 13: 56
          +1
          But before that, on April 12, 1856, Australian workers organized a protest march. The main requirement was to transfer the workers to an 8-hour working day and at the same time not to reduce wages. Then fortune was on their side. They achieved their goals without bloodshed. Since then, they have celebrated their victory annually. - Read more on FB.ru: http://fb.ru/article/179217/maya---chto-za-prazdn
          ik-maya-istoriya-prazdnika
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 1 May 2018 15: 05
          +2
          Quote: Amurets
          Oh la! Yes, this is the oldest or one of the oldest holidays on earth that has survived to this day: "The ancient history of May Day

          Everything is much cooler. The cause of Lenin flourishes in all civilized countries - a social orientation. But Trotsky’s case blooms in only one country - the USA !!! hi
    8. jovanni
      jovanni 1 May 2018 12: 03
      +8
      Quote: Dimontius
      There is nothing to look at the grave on such a beautiful spring holiday. All with May Day! drinks

      These beautiful spring holidays were provided to us by the same generation that the mausoleum built. Our country has such a history that a hundred people would have been enough ... Anything has happened, but the attempts of contemporaries to cut out, to hammer in plywood that they personally do not like, look somehow ... moronic, or something ...
    9. NordUral
      NordUral 1 May 2018 12: 10
      +19
      The Lenin Mausoleum is not a grave. The Mausoleum is the Pantheon of the Great Revolution, which changed the world for the better. It is a pity that we did not understand, and still many do not understand this.
      1. Varyag77
        Varyag77 1 May 2018 15: 36
        0
        Quote: NordUral
        The Mausoleum is the Pantheon of the Great Revolution, which changed the world for the better.

        Are you from an alternative universe writing? a fellow or something? Which world did she change then? The whole world, as he lived and lives, however. That Russia has changed. that is yes. In size reduced. The Russians in my own country were choked up. It served as the reason for Russia's lag in many sectors of the economy and the standard of living of the population. In addition to the traditional “enemies”, she painted us a bunch of “brothers-and-brothers” around the USSR. Well yes. changed the pancake.
        1. solzh
          solzh 1 May 2018 16: 40
          +5
          To what extent did the revolution reduce Russia? You, with your alternative story, will go back to Rezun in Britain. And if you mean Poland and Finland, well, it’s not serious whether there would have been a revolution or not, these states would have become independent anyway. Read something from a serious, but not yellow, history, along with the recollections of the foreign heads of state of those times.
          1. Varyag77
            Varyag77 1 May 2018 18: 33
            0
            Quote: solzh
            To what extent did the revolution reduce Russia?

            And who ruined the USSR? Reptiloids? Well no. not them. The communists and ruined. So it’s not necessary from a sick head to a healthy one. And then, as all good is the Communists, but what is bad is everyone, but not them. This does not happen.
    10. siberalt
      siberalt 1 May 2018 12: 15
      +18
      Who hates the Lenin mausoleum, they go to look at the graves of the pharaohs in Egypt and spit on their history belay Lenin is recognized as a great, global thinker of the 20th century. But the liberals spit on it. They have a dollar in their pocket - pride of themselves, the complete masturbation of the brain. The first of May without a mausoleum on Red Square is a disgrace to Russia!
      1. Nick
        Nick 1 May 2018 13: 36
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        The first of May without a mausoleum on Red Square is a disgrace to Russia!

        Do not overtrophy the significance of the mausoleum. For hundreds of years Russia has existed without mausoleums and there was nothing shameful for it in this and is not. And the mausoleum will remain in place as a monument to our history. Why did you pick it up? Mausoleum V.I. Nobody demolishes Lenin! People! Wake up. You argue about nothing !!! The mausoleum will be decorated with symbols of our Victory in the Great Patriotic War 1941-1945 What, someone here against the symbols of our great Victory? Gagging reptiles! I’ll tickle you to death!
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 1 May 2018 14: 33
          +8
          The drapery of the mausoleum is even worse. And clearly shows the incapacity of the current government of Russia. And I want to demolish it, and scary, they don’t know our reaction to the demolition, that's why they hammer in plywood.
          This is approximately the case if, instead of a thorough repair of the house, the facade of the building would be lined with plywood and painted a beautiful facade on this plywood.
          1. Nick
            Nick 2 May 2018 00: 03
            0
            Quote: NordUral
            The drapery of the mausoleum is even worse. And clearly shows the incapacity of the current government of Russia.

            No, it shows the preparation of power for the celebration of the Great Victory, no more.
            Quote: NordUral
            This is approximately the case if instead of a thorough repair of the house, the facade of the building would be covered with plywood and painted a beautiful facade

            And the Mausoleum, what needs repair? In my opinion it looks pretty decent. The authorities take care of this, which means they are capable.
      2. Varyag77
        Varyag77 1 May 2018 15: 42
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        Who hates the Lenin mausoleum, they go to look at the graves of the pharaohs in Egypt and spit on their history belay Lenin is recognized as a great, global thinker of the 20th century. But the liberals spit on it. They have a dollar in their pocket - pride of themselves, the complete masturbation of the brain. The first of May without a mausoleum on Red Square is a disgrace to Russia!

        I am not a liberal and not a communist. And I spit on Lenin. Although not. Would shoot. The most anti-Russian ruler of all. There is so much blood on the burr that there will not be enough for all the princes-tsars-emperors of Russia. Thanks again to Stalin for stopping all this Jewish Kodla, who reveled in happiness and bloodshed the Russian people.
        And yes. Lenin is a Jew. The statement is not mine. Sisters of Lenin. Look in nete for her letter to Stalin. Everything is.
        And I don’t want a Jew to start a terrible bloody strife in Russia, who hates with all the fibers of his Jewish little Russian soul, lay with honors in the central square of my country. It's just some kind of sur.
        In my city the streets are named after the Bolsheviks who directed its destruction, down to shelling and aviation. only in Russia can there be such nonsense.
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 1 May 2018 17: 16
          +1
          And how can you live in a city that the Bolsheviks destroyed? Stalin in every possible way emphasized that he was the continuer of the Lenin cause. The most anti-Russian ruler is Tagged.
          1. Varyag77
            Varyag77 1 May 2018 18: 36
            0
            Quote: zoolu350
            And how can you live in a city that the Bolsheviks destroyed? Stalin in every possible way emphasized that he was the continuer of the Lenin cause. The most anti-Russian ruler is Tagged.

            Did I say that he was completely destroyed? I said that they destroyed him. Including artillery and aviation. What caused shock even for foreign journalists. As a result, the city was mutilated. If you look at the photo, you might think that this is a photo of some city during the Great Patriotic War. But no. These are not Germans. This is the Bolsheviks. And all in the classics. The Jews were led by Uritsky and Zakheim, and the Latvians destroyed, because the Russian units refused. And then the streets were named after these ghouls.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 1 May 2018 18: 55
              0
              Quote: Varyag77
              As a result, the city was mutilated

              Yaroslavl
              Quote: Varyag77
              Jews led Uritsky and Zakheim

              Is it ... Zakheim there like that ... this ... or is it some other Zakheim? Or not Yaroslavl?
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2018 21: 41
          +1
          Quote: Varyag77
          The most anti-Russian ruler of all. There is so much blood on the burr that there will not be enough for all the princes-tsars-emperors of Russia.

          you should teach stories before writing nonsense
        3. Nick
          Nick 2 May 2018 00: 22
          0
          Quote: Varyag77
          And yes. Lenin is a Jew

          Well, even if so, it is not his fault.
          Quote: Varyag77
          And I don’t want a Jew to start a terrible bloody strife in Russia, who hates with all the fibers of his Jewish little Russian soul, lay with honors in the central square of my country. It's just some kind of sur.

          Alas, this is not sur, this is our great story.
          Quote: Varyag77
          In my city the streets are named after the Bolsheviks who directed its destruction, down to shelling and aviation. only in Russia can there be such nonsense.

          this is our common fault. You do not think it is naive that Lenin did all this alone. He was supported by a mass of people, and probably because of what. The previous government is also to blame for the fact that the people began to believe Lenin with comrades.
          I’ll say it again, although it will probably be unpleasant to many who are here, the blame for everything that has happened lies with the Russian people first of all. But for everything great, industrialization, the Great Victory, a space breakthrough and other achievements, for everything that happened in the USSR / Russia in the previous period, I must say thanks first of all to the Russians, and of course to all other peoples of Russia allied with it.
        4. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2018 08: 07
          0
          And I don’t want a Jew who started a terrible bloody strife in Russia, who hates with all the fibers of his Jewish Russian darling, to lie with honors in the central square of my country. [/ Quote] rare nonsense
    11. Fitter65
      Fitter65 1 May 2018 12: 23
      +11
      Quote: Dimontius
      There is nothing to look at the grave on such a beautiful spring holiday. All with May Day

      Thanks to who lies in that grave, you can celebrate May Day! Under Nikolai the Bloody, this holiday was banned. Well, at the expense of looking at the grave ... The tradition came out of the darkness of centuries when soldiers passed near the grave of their leader, the commander giving him a tribute of respect, last honors. It is not in vain that in that memorable VICTORY PARADE of 1945 the standards of defeated Hitler Germany were thrown to the foot of the Mausoleum, to the foot of the grave of the man who saved Russia in October 1917, and his successors magnified it and led to the GREAT VICTORY !!!
    12. keks shmeks
      keks shmeks 1 May 2018 13: 08
      +3
      Thanks to OUR VETERANS (who will gather near this mausoleum) there was a VICTORY !!! I think IM will be offensive to watch plywood! We must respect the last few old people! to hell with him with Lenin.
      1. Varyag77
        Varyag77 1 May 2018 15: 45
        +1
        Quote: keks shmeks
        Thanks to OUR VETERANS (who will gather near this mausoleum) there was a VICTORY !!! I think IM will be offensive to watch plywood! We must respect the last few old people! to hell with him with Lenin.

        What are you talking about. Do you think that all who fought were fans of Lenin? I beg of you. Some kind of kindergarten. Both of my grandfathers went through a war. Both are injured. With orders and medals. One of the Cossacks. Do you understand? KAZAKOV. The second of the nobles. And you think they twisted the tails of the Nazis for LENIN? Gee. Gee. They recalled him in other words. But Stalin was respected by both. Here is an assessment of veterans.
    13. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 1 May 2018 13: 30
      +3
      Quote: Dimontius
      There is nothing to look at the grave on such a beautiful spring holiday. All with May Day! drinks

      This is not a "beautiful spring holiday" because it is not connected with spring. He is connected with the Victory! And the victory was won by the Red Army, which was created with the direct participation of V.I. Lenin, whose mausoleum is so bashfully hidden by the liberal authorities of Russia. Only moral can be ashamed of the history of their (?) State.
      1. Varyag77
        Varyag77 1 May 2018 15: 53
        0
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        This is not a "beautiful spring holiday" because it is not connected with spring. He is connected with the Victory! And the victory was won by the Red Army, which was created with the direct participation of V.I. Lenin

        And here is May 1 and May 9? The Red Army was created by Trotsky. And the goals were completely different. What kind? We recall Tukhachevsky and the campaign in Poland. The Red Army was created as cannon fodder, for "carrying the fire of the world revolution." Thank God for not being informed. And the very name Red Army was given to her by Trotsky. To please his master Rothschild. For red is the coat of arms of the Rothschilds, which actually translate from German Red Shield. So that....
        1. Sergey ippon
          Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 31
          +1
          some pluses at the Bandera chertogan? wassat
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 2 May 2018 08: 28
          0
          Quote: Varyag77
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          This is not a "beautiful spring holiday" because it is not connected with spring. He is connected with the Victory! And the victory was won by the Red Army, which was created with the direct participation of V.I. Lenin

          And here is May 1 and May 9? The Red Army was created by Trotsky. And the goals were completely different. What kind? We recall Tukhachevsky and the campaign in Poland. The Red Army was created as cannon fodder, for "carrying the fire of the world revolution." Thank God for not being informed. And the very name Red Army was given to her by Trotsky. To please his master Rothschild. For red is the coat of arms of the Rothschilds, which actually translate from German Red Shield. So that....

          Yes, it was Trotsky who played the first violin. And Lenin, so, in third roles. Isn’t it funny for yourself? Trotsky merely complied with the decision of the Central Committee to create an army.
    14. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 1 May 2018 13: 34
      +3
      Quote: Dimontius
      All with May Day!

      And what is May Day for you? Just a reason to go to a barbecue, or something more?
    15. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich 1 May 2018 14: 08
      +3
      Quote: Dimontius
      There is nothing to look at the grave on such a beautiful spring holiday. All with May Day! drinks

      Do not carry an abomination, believers worship the relics of saints, why is Lenin not holy? The mausoleum on Red Square is the historical pride of the country, even in our seditious days the mausoleum always has flowers, people remember everything. But Gorbatom does not even need to allocate land in Russia. All a Happy Holiday!
    16. gerkost2012
      gerkost2012 1 May 2018 14: 46
      +6
      But on November 7, 1941, at the parade and May 9, 1945, the "grave" did not interfere with celebrating the Victory. And the current ones, as they do not sit down, all the time something prevents them. Either the legs are crooked, or maybe it’s not so sewn between the legs, only where does the mausoleum !?
    17. Turkestan
      Turkestan 1 May 2018 15: 56
      +4
      The standards of the Nazi troops were thrown to the foot of the Lenin Mausoleum during the Victory Parade on Red Square. WE WILL FORGET ABOUT IT ????????
      1. Sergey ippon
        Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 32
        0
        Bandera chertogany did not even know this and bile trail for this victory after so much time))
    18. vladfill
      vladfill 1 May 2018 16: 15
      0
      ... see that yours has someone to look after ....
    19. Vladimir K.
      Vladimir K. 1 May 2018 19: 28
      +3
      you - there would be neither a holiday, nor our country, if not for this person and a number of others (not all) buried near the Kremlin wall. Do you even remember what was the reason that this holiday was celebrated in the USSR?
    20. Sergey ippon
      Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 19: 56
      0
      well yes yes yes -nefig look at the history and the formation of a better state thanks to Lenin,
      Glory to the oligarchs who destroyed it, and since May 1, Sholey?
    21. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 May 2018 21: 39
      +1
      Quote: Dimontius
      Nothing to look at the grave on such a beautiful spring holiday

      so maybe cover the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier no matter what prevents you from celebrating ?!
    22. delvin-fil
      delvin-fil 2 May 2018 03: 38
      +1
      Yes, yes, and they fought for EdRo, of course.
    23. Conserp
      Conserp 2 May 2018 15: 48
      0
      Quote: Dimontius
      There is nothing to look at the grave on such a beautiful spring holiday.

      They threw Nazi banners at his foot.
      What is it up to yours so far.

      Quote: Dimontius
      All with May Day!

      Day of the execution of workers, yes.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 May 2018 11: 01
    +35
    It’s at least strange to try to “cover” the mausoleum for several days a year.
    It’s not even strange, but somehow small and if you want to be mean. As if ashamed of the history of the USSR.
    1. Andrey K
      Andrey K 1 May 2018 11: 24
      +7
      Quote: rotmistr60
      ... It’s not even strange, but somehow small and if you want to be mean. As if ashamed of the history of the USSR ...

      Gennady, where are the demands of the Australian workers on April 21, 1856, for an eight-hour working day, and where is the holiday of our developed socialism society?
      It’s sneaky to pull up other people's undertakings with the idea of ​​world communism, isn’t it.
      The Moral Code of the Builder of Communism - a miserable copy of the 10 Commandments from the Bible, is that not mean? Or will it fit that the Orthodox people are more easily imbued with atheism?
      Zyuganov:
      ... I believed and still believe that Jesus Christ was the first communist. The Sermon on the Mount was written no worse than the Moral Code of the builder of communism. Actually, the Moral Code of the builder of communism was written off from the Sermon on the Mount ...

      Famously huh?
      Isn’t it mean to write Jesus to the Communists?
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 1 May 2018 12: 18
        +9
        Sneaky - distorting how you do, my friend.
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 1 May 2018 12: 31
          +4
          Quote: NordUral
          ... Sneaky - distorting how you do, my friend ...

          It’s especially vile to cover up your fanaticism with the phrase - “As if ashamed of the history of the USSR ...”.
          Mean and disgusting. There is no need to pull the history of a common country, to fit it according to your needs, there is a chance to choke.
          I'm not your friend.
          A polite and competent person pronoun "You" - writes with a capital letter.
          1. rotmistr60
            rotmistr60 2 May 2018 00: 18
            +2
            There is no need to pull the history of a common country, to fit it according to your needs, there is a chance to choke.
            Who is pulling the history of the country to fit his needs? By the way, the Communists are part of the history of the country and you can’t get anywhere from this. And about the "choke" at the wrong address. Those who are trying to forget the history of the country will choke.
      2. Fitter65
        Fitter65 1 May 2018 12: 31
        +5
        Quote: Andrey K
        ghana:
        ... I believed and still believe that Jesus Christ was the first communist. The Sermon on the Mount was written no worse than the Moral Code of the builder of communism. Actually, the Moral Code of the builder of communism was written off from the Sermon on the Mount ...
        Famously huh?
        Isn’t it mean to write Jesus to the Communists?

        So something similar and the Russian president spoke out while staying on Solovki. Only if the Moral Code of the Builder of Communism was actually implemented, but the 10 commandments were always violated everywhere and by all to please those who benefit from it.
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 1 May 2018 12: 49
          +4
          Quote: Fitter65
          ... So something like that, and the Russian president spoke out while staying on Solovki. Only if the Moral Code of the Builder of Communism was actually implemented, but the 10 commandments were always violated everywhere and by everyone to please those who benefit from it ...

          Man, did you realize that you wrote about the actual implementation of the Code of the Builder of Communism?
          The site with fairy tales is definitely not here laughing
          1. Fitter65
            Fitter65 1 May 2018 13: 18
            +3
            Quote: Andrey K
            You yourself understood that you wrote about the real implementation of the Code of the Builder of Communism?

            And you yourself read it, it yourself, and not in the retelling of Rabinovich?
            -Moysha, I don’t understand that everyone admires the BEATLES so much? Neither hearing nor voice, in English they sing with a wild accent, and in addition they lisp ...
            -Izya, where did you hear such a Beatles?
            -Ah, well, Rabinovich sang a few songs for me ...
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 1 May 2018 13: 50
        +1
        Quote: Andrey K
        Gennady, where are the demands of the Australian workers on April 21, 1856, for an eight-hour working day, and where is the holiday of our developed socialism society?

        And there is no holiday. For me, May Day is no longer a holiday. Now he was walking through half a city, no one is celebrating anything. Only the police have some kind of unhealthy recovery. And not a single ball that we pierced with dozens of needles in the USSR in dozens of boys.
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 1 May 2018 14: 10
          +3
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          ... dozens of us poked needles in the USSR, being boys ...

          Vladimir hi
          That's where the legs grow laughing
          Happy holiday drinks
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 1 May 2018 14: 18
            0
            Quote: Andrey K
            Happy holiday

            Yes, no holiday is visible. So ... nostalgia. Well, by God, he was walking now through the square where we were marching as pioneers, and the military instructor was dragging us so that we would not be ashamed of school, but now he was walking and there was nothing festive. Only the mongrel pleased, chasing pigeons in circles. Hoarse truth, poor fellow. crying Well, I'm for nostalgia! drinks And we instead of balls sometimes got in the ass. fellow
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 1 May 2018 14: 51
              +3
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              ... So ... nostalgia ...

              My daughter and granddaughter came to visit, went to walk on the square.
              With grandmother barbecue marinated, wait and out of town drinks
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 1 May 2018 12: 12
      +8
      They are ashamed of themselves, they understand because they are mean and insignificant against this background.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 1 May 2018 13: 06
        +6
        Quote: NordUral
        They are ashamed of themselves, they understand because they are mean and insignificant against this background.

        Well, why? The church has always sold absolution, in the form of indulgences. Here they can write out indulgence to themselves in the form of excuses, excuses and other promises that will be fulfilled in 20 years.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 1 May 2018 13: 49
          +3
          Quote: Amurets
          excuses and other promises that will be fulfilled in 20 years.

          for sure. one such bald one, the chieftain from the communists, generally promised communism in 1980
    3. vladfill
      vladfill 1 May 2018 16: 17
      +2
      While surrounded by Garant, well, very close, there will be Fedotovs - everything that’s happening
      on Red Square, it can be safely considered authorized
      President Putin.
  3. Andrey K
    Andrey K 1 May 2018 11: 01
    +14
    The right decision. May 1 is a holiday of spring and labor, and not of the utopian ideas of communism.
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 1 May 2018 11: 08
      +9
      Judging by the screen, the Mausoleum is not boarded up by May 1
      1. 22 dmdc
        22 dmdc 1 May 2018 14: 01
        0
        On the night of the first to the second, they will sort it out quietly, and write them off to a UFO.
    2. DREDD
      DREDD 1 May 2018 11: 24
      +6
      The right decision. May 1 is a holiday of spring and labor, not of utopian ideas of communism]
      You see, comrades forum users, even monarchists see in the "grave" the "idea of ​​communism." So it doesn’t matter to anyone that this is a "grave", the main thing is to remove the Mausoleum from sight as a carrier of the wrong idea and the wrong story)) laughing
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 1 May 2018 11: 29
        +7
        Quote: DREDD
        ... So it doesn’t matter to anyone that this is a "grave", the main thing is to remove the Mausoleum from sight as a carrier of the wrong idea and the wrong story)) ...

        Have the habit of answering for yourself, not using the words "all" and "we" out of place.
        Regarding the "wrong" story, do not flood, nobody talks about it.
    3. sabakina
      sabakina 1 May 2018 11: 58
      +12
      Quote: Andrey K
      The right decision. May 1 is a holiday of spring and labor, and not of the utopian ideas of communism.

      Andrey, it seems that you forgot that you celebrated May 1. And yet, I personally am grateful to God that I was born in Russia during the period of socialism!
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 1 May 2018 12: 22
        +4
        Quote: sabakina
        ... Andrey, it seems that you forgot that you celebrated May 1. And yet, I personally am grateful to God that I was born in Russia during the period of socialism! ...

        Vyacheslav, I did not forget where and by whom I was born.
        I thank God that I was born where I was born. As you know: "Where he was born, there he came in handy ..."
        May Day celebrated and celebrated fellow
        Only now there is no place for communist ideas in my holidays.
        Sorry, sir hi
        Happy Holiday buddy drinks
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 1 May 2018 13: 08
          +13
          Andrei, I really don’t know how the Communists offended you ... They didn’t let you go to kindergarten without money? Did you get education for a fee? Was it impossible to get a job without a “shaggy hand”? With a free apartment you were "rented" ... I don’t know Andrei ... Until 1988, I was sure of tomorrow.
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 1 May 2018 13: 31
            +4
            Quote: sabakina
            ... I really don’t know how the Communists offended you ......

            Glory, it’s hard to offend me at all. I'm not touchy.
            I am not for insulting the Communists, but for justice.
            And here it is not so simple.
            1. Sergey ippon
              Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 38
              +2
              justice?
              96% became paupers and 4% sharply billionaires - is this your justice?
              but it was the other way around.
          2. Sergey ippon
            Sergey ippon 1 May 2018 20: 37
            0
            exactly.
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 1 May 2018 12: 39
        +2
        Vyacheslav, then continued smile
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 1 May 2018 23: 42
        0
        Glory, arthropods do not strain something.
    4. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 1 May 2018 12: 06
      +4
      Quote: Andrey K
      The right decision. May 1 is a holiday of spring and labor, and not of the utopian ideas of communism.

      It would not hurt to collect the scattered cockroaches, and build them in 16 lines on the windowsill.
      May 1 is our communist holiday.
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 1 May 2018 12: 33
        +3
        Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
        ... It would not hurt to collect the scattered cockroaches, and build them in 16 lines on the windowsill ...

        Start, allow yes
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    6. Fitter65
      Fitter65 1 May 2018 12: 36
      +4
      Quote: Andrey K
      The right decision. May 1 is a holiday of spring and labor, and not of the utopian ideas of communism.

      So for those who do not know the history of this holiday very well, I explain
      May Day in its present form arose in the middle of the XNUMXth century in the labor movement, which put forward the introduction of an eight-hour working day as one of the main requirements.

      The first to demand an eight-hour working day were Australia's workers on April 21, 1856. Since then, this holiday in Australia has become an annual event.

      On the model of the workers of Australia [10] on May 1, 1886, the anarchist organizations of the USA and Canada organized a series of rallies and demonstrations. During the dispersal of such a demonstration in Chicago on May 4, 1886, six demonstrators were killed. During the mass protests that followed the next day, against police brutal actions, eight policemen were killed, at least 50 injured, and at least four workers were injured (according to some, up to fifty killed and wounded [11 ]), several dozen people were injured. On charges of organizing an explosion, eight anarchist workers were sentenced to be hanged, three of them, when the main witness for the prosecution admitted that he had slandered all the convicts, death was replaced with a sentence of 15 years in hard labor (it was later proved that the witness was telling the truth when confessed to the reservation, and the charge of this crime was false, because although the bombs were being prepared and armed preparations were being made, none of the convicts was involved in the clashes on 5 May and the deaths and injuries that day) [12]. One of the executed - Albert Parsons - was the brother of the famous South Army colonel, mistakenly called Jose Marty a general, himself a former Confederate army soldier, but broke with racist prejudice and married a former Indian-Mexican slave Lucy Parsons [13].

      It was in memory of the executed anarchists, at the suggestion of the American workers who planned their strike on May 1, 1890, that the Paris Congress of the Second International (July 1889) declared May 1, 1890 as the Day of Solidarity of Workers of the World, and proposed marking it with demonstrations demanding an 8-hour working day and other social requirements. As in Australia, the success of the demonstrations led to the fact that the festival became an annual [10] [14].

      In 1918, in the RSFSR, this holiday became a state holiday called International Day [15]. The name of the holiday was changed in 1972 to Day of International Workers' Solidarity - May Day [16].

      So thanks to the utopian ideas of communism, this holiday was born and exists !!!
    7. vladfill
      vladfill 1 May 2018 16: 20
      +2
      It’s time for UNESCO to say its word in defense of the historical monument,
      if the temporary workers have a little memory.
  4. Bronevick
    Bronevick 1 May 2018 11: 01
    +8
    Putin will soon bury Lenin; the two cannot fit in there.
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 1 May 2018 11: 59
      +1
      Quote: Bronevick
      Putin will soon bury Lenin; the two cannot fit in there.

      no need to lie. GDP has repeatedly said that you can’t bury
      1. Mechanic
        Mechanic 1 May 2018 12: 11
        +3
        For today's children, Lenin was no one and correctly said Kadyrov, it’s better now to bury with honors, than then throw him out of there
  5. sokol77
    sokol77 1 May 2018 11: 02
    +7
    The place of the corpse is where he belongs.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 1 May 2018 11: 11
      +24
      Quote: sokol77
      The place of the corpse is where he belongs.

      A bot - in the bath