Russia can deliver a preemptive strike on the EuroMD system

Moscow. 3 May 2012. INTERFAX.RU - Russia may decide to deliver a preemptive strike on objects of the European missile defense, said Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation General of the Army Nikolay Makarov:
"Given the destabilizing nature of the missile defense system, namely: creating the illusion of causing an unpunished disarming strike, the decision to proactively use existing means of destruction will be made in a period of aggravation of the situation."

The main evidence of the missile defense threat was that the Russian side decided to make a visual computer presentation: they showed on a giant screen how a Russian nuclear attack on the United States was choking. Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles aimed at Los Angeles and New York are brought down by NATO interceptors without a quarter of the way - according to the Russian military, such a scenario will become possible by 2020.

"We see that the trajectory of the missile’s flight from the southern direction passes over the zone of the third stage antimissile defense. Therefore, interception of the target is potentially impossible," commented the computer scheme of Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Federation Valery Gerasimov. "When building capacity to intercept strategic missiles with a range of up to 11 thousand . kilometers - that is, the fourth stage of the deployment of a missile defense system - with such parameters of the affected area, interception will be possible. "

"It is obvious that when the characteristics of the system planned for the fourth stage are achieved, the base in Romania will potentially be capable of intercepting Russian missiles deployed in the European part of the country," he noted. Gerasimov also pointed to the threat to the Russian nuclear deterrent forces placing missile defense elements on ships in the seas adjacent to the Russian borders.

The American delegation, led by State Department Special Representative Ellen Toscher, in response, decided to stress that the computer model of the Russian Ministry of Defense is based on erroneous data. For example, USA are not going to place interceptors in the Baltic Sea area at all. In addition, NATO interceptors do not keep up with Russian missiles, especially if they are equipped with multiple warheads and false warheads.

“Our system is not being built and will not be directed against Russia,” said NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow. “Of course, I respect Mr. Makarov and General Gerasimov. But you did not convince me.”
Vershbow even prompted the Russian military for which American megalopolises and with which missiles they can hit with confidence in success: “Russian strategic facilities located in Kozelsk and Tatishchevo can be sent to Chicago and Los Angeles. Russian missile systems located on The Far East, may threaten the east coast of the United States. "

“Even according to the Russian analysis, they cannot be covered by the NATO missile defense system, which will not be able to threaten Russia's strategic nuclear forces either at the first, or at the second, or at the third, or at the fourth stages,” said Vershbow.

Meanwhile, Secretary of the Russian Security Council Patrushev warned that by 2020, the European missile defense system would learn to intercept Russian missiles. "At the turn of 2018-2020 - this is the third and fourth phase of the implementation of the deployment of European missile defense in Europe - on the continent should appear such anti-missile weapons, which will be able to intercept part of the Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles and ballistic missiles submarines," - Patrushevyu fears

The past and present of the ICBM: 360 active (red) and 711 dismantled PU ICBM (blue), missile silos in Russia
and the former Soviet Union (were in Ukraine and Kazakhstan).

The hypothetical exchange of nuclear strikes between the Russian Federation and the United States, for the first and second, subject to the use of 1000 warheads on each side, including taking into account the tactical nuclear weapons.

Based on:
http://www.interfax.rг
http://www.kommersant.ru
One Hundred Nuclear Wars (Foreign Affairs Technical Appendix) Version 9 / 2 / 10

Comments

[Alexander Romanov]

What generosity, they even showed which cities can be beaten. The more I listen to amers, the more disgust they cause me. And Europe, do they really not understand that the former will fall under the distribution.

[tronin.maxim]

Both sides have long been ready for a possible nuclear war. Both have missile guidance goals. The most important thing is that there is no unnecessary body movement, otherwise war cannot be avoided!

[Vanek]

And again, DMB:

- Let’s hit, be sure to hit, the whole world is in ruin, but then.

[Winter]

Before the rocket flies to Chicago and Los Angeles, Poland and Romania from all over the US missile defense will turn into the moon! ..

[Vanek]

Alexander. Greetings.

But Europe does not seem to want to understand or is so sure that ABM will take out. When we crush their missile defense, then maybe it will understand. But it will be too late.

[Alexander Romanov]

Yes, it seems that in 45 everyone explained that it is still not clear?

[Vanek]

Well, they do not understand. Though you crack! They can’t learn the lessons of the past. And they don’t understand how they don’t need to go to Us with a sword.

[Ribwort]

Quote: Vanek

Well, they do not understand. Though you crack! They can’t learn the lessons of the past.

They did not understand this even when the banner of Victory was flying over the Reichstag. And already in July-August 1945. Allied politicians planned a treacherous attack on the USSR (Operation Unthinkable). Fortunately, military experts were able to convince politicians that the Red Army had not emerged from the war weakened and defeated, but rather strengthened and professional. And, having a unique experience of storming European capitals, it is likely that in a few months the banner of Victory will be hoisted over Big Ben and the citizens of the United Kingdom will build socialism with enthusiasm. Then the Western military had enough prudence ... Apparently, it is necessary to remind more often.

[Vanek]

Quote: Ribwort

Apparently, you need to remind more often.

In the course of coming soon.

[Winter]

The Americans were clearly unaccustomed to talking with THEM in such a tone! .. At a press conference, their general looked somewhat discouraged. Therefore, he carried such nonsense.

[esaul]

Quote: Vanek

And Europe, it seems, does not want to understand or is so sure that ABM will take out

Ivan, hi buddy.
Today I read the analyst on yesterday's conference and received confirmation that everything will remain as it is. And the Europeans have thoroughly powdered their brains. And, interestingly, in all these assurances about the purely defensive nature of missile defense there is a huge amount of truth. Crafty truth. By emphasizing the defensive nature of missile defense, NATO is slyly silent that the task of this system is to ensure the conduct of attacking actions by NATO with impunity. So fuck you will convince the European man in the street in the threats of missile defense for Russia. He (an inhabitant of Europe) was told "A", but under no pretext they say "B". That is why there is such a sincere misunderstanding by an ordinary European of Russia's position on this issue. And the disingenuous themselves are well aware of "where the dog rummaged." Just a fig for a sacrificial ram (Europeans) to know about his unenviable role.

[Vanek]

Valery, welcome.

And that is true. This is like:

“I know what you know.”
- And what about the fact that I know that you know about what I know.

Quote: esaul

And Europeans were thoroughly dusted with brains.

They are both from 1941 in powder, and still in it.

[Puskarinkis]

Of course, missile defense is defensive! It will be necessary to defend oneself from trying to respond with the ICBMs left by Russia after the United States strikes with cruise missiles and other high-precision weapons at known points with ICBMs. Here, we recently flew, recounted ... A purely defense system in itself!

[neri73-r]

And what can she understand? Who allowed her (Europe)? What are sovereign states? No dear, there is freedom and democracy !!! They understand and make decisions in the Washington regional committee exclusively, sometimes consulting (not to be confused with asking permission) with the lords from the island !!!

[YARY]

I consider it necessary to withdraw from all agreements with NATO, and build up the strength of the first / retaliatory strike.
And I saw the performance of Mak Karova! Impression-a miserable creature received by F!

[Antipin]

That's exactly the Americans in general abarzels.
In foreign countries they command, as in their America

[alps]

They command where they are allowed; therefore, questions are not for them, but for those who allow them.

[APASUS]

The first intelligible position for many years, and even with these guarantees have already lifted up !!!

[Sarus]

I will express my vision on all this ...
The presentation seems to me like pathos .. We say that missile defense threatens our strategic nuclear forces. They say that missile defense does not threaten our strategic nuclear forces ...
We talked, ate, drank, dispersed .. Nor will there be any progress ...
The fact that we say that we will deliver a pre-emptive strike against Euro-missile defense seems to me just words ... They are not backed up by arguments (the same Iskanders in Kaliningrad would have confirmed this).
Secondly, when in the 60 years the United States delivered rockets in Turkey, the USSR did not pretentize that it wasn’t good to do this ... But I just took it and did it in Cuba ... Yes, I could not hide the risk .. But it was justified .. .
And now we have 6 years in stock .. so what? sit chatting that messing up nilza ...
In my opinion, it’s high time to stop all these conversations .. If you don’t want to clean up, don’t clean up your business ... But the Russian Federation could again put the BZHRK in the service. Drive Poplar-M to Belarus. And maybe in the Far East significantly increase the ground forces of nuclear weapons. And also Pacific Fleet. It is worth recognizing, of course, that our leadership will not be able to put even missile defense elements on Cuba now .. The USA will not give it and Cuba itself, if it says yes, will be so isolated ...
And objectively, if you look at the western hemisphere, we have a current partner, Chavez ... It’s he .. If it is removed then it’s not a fact that Venezuela will be on our side ...
So let's see what happens in 6 years ...
PS
and to these countries who were allowed to install a missile defense system, I would close the screw at all ... Otherwise, they put piglets at us, and we cuddle with them ... buy everything ...
War, it is war .. This is not only tanks and bullets ...

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: Sarus

The presentation seems to me like pathos .. We say that missile defense threatens our strategic nuclear forces. They say that missile defense does not threaten our strategic nuclear forces ... We talked, ate, drank, and dispersed .. There will be no progress ...

Of course, pathos, and mutual, the caravan goes its own way for them and for us no matter what dogs bark around, our task is to make it clear to everyone who the aggressor is, their task is to make it clear to everyone that they are not an aggressor, and at the same time we will set new nuclear strike systems capable of overcoming missile defense to upgrade an existing nuclear weapon; if possible it is very expensive to create your own missile defense system; it’s possible to cooperate on creating a missile defense system with one of your neighbors, guess who
Like it or not, once a gun shoots

[Armata]

Quote: Sarus

Secondly, when in the 60 years the United States delivered rockets in Turkey, the USSR did not pretentize that it wasn’t good to do this ... But I just took it and did it in Cuba ... Yes, I could not hide the risk .. But it was justified .. .

America is afraid of war against Russia and is unlikely to openly speak out, most likely it will be done through 3 hands in Europe. What happened is another intimidation of each other; instead, missiles must be deployed in Cuba and indeed allies in South America must be acquired, then their entire missile defense will become just another expensive toy.

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: Steam Train

instead, missiles must be deployed in Cuba and indeed allies in South America must be acquired then their entire missile defense will become just another expensive toy.

first it is necessary that they spend money, while solid verbiage

[Armata]

Quote: Kyrgyz

first they need to spend the money

Where will they get the money now? They have another banking crisis They are beggars, Beggars.

[alps]

Of course, they are afraid of war, but the empire is on the verge of collapse, which means there is no other way out, but they will not be able to buten, and they will not want to, it means only with a large salvo of a large number of missiles at all unsuitable, it will only be possible when the missile defense system is ready and therefore everyone is in a hurry, we Chinese, Indians, all have billions of defense budgets - for good reason.

[APASUS]

Quote: Sarus

and to these countries who were allowed to install a missile defense system, I would completely shut the screw ... And then they put us piglets and we cuddle with them ..

It was possible to explain to the inhabitants of these "friendly" countries, from the high rostrum, that "The Last Day of Pompeii" is a very real prospect !!

[taseka]

Regular statements about striking outside the Russian Federation are already "tired and tired" Words do not agree with deeds - that we do not know where the training base is? Long ago they would have taken it and drunk! I remember how they justified themselves for a month later when striking a training base in Georgia!

[elvira]

Quote: Sarus

The fact that we are saying that we will deliver a pre-emptive strike on EuroPro

... We even sound like this - "we can apply preemptive strike "... If only they formulated harder !!!!
And so we are probably waiting, until all of Europe and the former countries of the Union are covered by missile defense !!!

[Ribwort]

Quote: elvira

We even sound like this - "we can strike a preemptive strike" ... If only they formulated harder !!!!

We can deliver a preemptive strike, but given the banks and how much our money is stored in, as well as the countries in which our children study, we may NOT strike. Apparently, you need to understand something like this ...

[sergo0000]

elvira,
Greetings!
It's nice to hear from you such messages to men in our Moscow Region!

Happy New Year to you! (F)

[elvira]

Thank! And you too !!!

[Dust]

Correct me - a preemptive strike, is this the beginning of a full-scale war with all the ensuing consequences? Should a nuclear strike by all previously selected targets automatically follow? Even if a retaliation strike ensues. then there will be no one to rejoice in his success?
Well, who will now be called the arsonists of war?

[elvira]

You are right, of course! But the wording of the statements is important !.
Maybe a stupid example, but when a child is told - "I I can to punish you "and" I will punish you "- is perceived differently ... And it is not necessary that the words immediately followed by actions!

[Bashkaus]

And we have no other option but to proactively smash the European missile defense system into dust. Why wait for the weather by the sea, knowing that they are carrying a sword over their heads? So there is at least some chance to give between the eyes, in which the partner stupidly stands up with eyes blinking, asking "what was that?"

[bagira]

Quote: Dust

Well, who will now be called the arsonists of war?

No one will be called. There will be no one to call. Who to us with what and why, that from that and that

[Dust]

What will happen after - there really will be no one to call. or they will have many big problems ...
It is important what they say now - there is a real opportunity to transfer all the arrows to Russia: there is no missile defense yet, but they say, they are already ready to strike! They are recognized as "warmongers". they threaten the "civilized world", these savages ...

[elvira]

Well, on the "savages" and focus!
Like - the Russians should not be angry, they are savages, they will shoot more .... Let the media say that we are "well, just incredibly worried about the plans to deploy missile defense in Europe ... we are nervous ..."

[bagira]

Yes, let yourself be comforted as they can. I don’t think many will believe them. Who the arsonists of the war the whole world saw after Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.
In general, of course, the Anglo-Saxon politicians shredded. Their ancestors were much smarter; they fought with Russia with the wrong hands. And we then chopped off these strange hands. And now they climb on their own. Let then not be offended and do not bite your elbows.

[Dust]

It seems to me. that the vast majority do not see beyond their own nose. and only a couple of moves to calculate the situation in general above all possibilities!
The vast majority in the world have long been confident. that they justly punished the wild Serbs, so it’s just as fair to punish these wild Russians!

[elvira]

Above, there was already a hint that the interests of business are above all! This will avoid a war without a heavy excuse!
And then I thought ... In the West, they rather think that we are idiots than savages : “How can Moscow speak of its intention to cooperate with NATO and at the same time seek guarantees that it will be able to destroy the United States if something happens?
More details: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1928147 "

[Kite]

To:
Dust ".... Who will be called warmongers now?"
- I understand the warning as a description of the response. Those. if their missiles have been launched, then before the launch of our "big missiles" the "small" ones will first start, covering the "elders". Foreign guys are warned about their mistakes, which can lead to sad consequences.

[crossbow]

It was undoubtedly necessary to convey to the United States and its allies the tough Russian point of view on Euro missile defense and missile defense in general, and it was necessary to do this much earlier, even when the United States announced its withdrawal from the ABM treaty, sorry, Hedgehog, it was clear that they had withdrawn agreement not only in order to build up missile defense on its own territory, but also beyond its borders - naval missile defense and European missile defense, and practically at the borders of Russia. Instead of organizing active information countermeasures (a won information war in our time is sometimes more important than a won "hot "war), to link the START-3 treaty with the US build-up of all missile defense systems, including sea-based and European missile defense, there were years of some incomprehensible relaxation and indistinct political muttering about some kind of paper guarantees.
Well, the fact that the process has all the same begun is certainly encouraging.

[Ribwort]

Quote: crossbow

To convey to the United States and its allies a harsh Russian point of view on the Euro ABM ... it was necessary to do this much earlier

To begin with, I think it would be nice to accept an INTELLIGENT military doctrine and "dance" from this. It is already necessary to decide: either 1. The USA and NATO are potential adversaries (which, in my opinion, did not cease to be for a minute) and proceed from this in their plans and actions, or, as our politicians say, 2. "The USA and NATO are our partners "Then this is a completely different tale. Judging by the reforms being carried out in the army, when the number is decreasing, a stake is placed on mobility (i.e., the army is sharpened for solving problems of a local nature), I dare to assume that the United States and NATO are not considered opponents.

[dmnatbor]

It can be assumed that the situation is more than serious.
This statement is more like a reflex defensive reaction
cornered little dog in front of an upcoming strong beast.
She barks desperately, rushing about and even from hysterical fright can even pounce. And a powerful beast may retreat, or it may tear to shreds.
But it is in nature.
And in this reality, they will simply be erased into powder.

[Pablomc]

I look at this two-sided idiocy and there is a complete sense of deja vu .....

21st century ... we are no longer communists .... the economy is globalizing rapidly, and the "history" in the second circle begins ...

Idiocy.....

[Ribwort]

Quote: PabloMC

21st century ... we are no longer communists .... the economy is globalizing rapidly

At the moment, nobody is interested in our economy. We are considered by the West only from the point of view of a pantry with reserves of resources.
As for the communists ... And what about the communists in China? Do you seriously believe that the point is ideology? And now we have capitalism and the United States looks at us as stupid friends? A wolf does not care what hares there are, hares or whites ... The only option is not to be this "hare". Then everything else won't matter. (-)

[PabloMsk]

Quote: Ribwort

At the moment, nobody is interested in our economy. We are considered by the West only from the point of view of a pantry with reserves of resources.
As for the communists ... And what about the communists in China? Do you seriously believe that the point is ideology? And now we have capitalism and the United States looks at us as stupid friends? A wolf does not care what hares there are, hares or whites ... The only option is not to be this "hare". Then everything else won't matter. (-)

I was just sickened by this historical loop ....
They do not build missile defense against China ... They do not build against Australia .... They do not build against Canada .... They do not build against New Zealand ... Against the economy He knows who is not being built yet, but in Russia and the United States the light has come together!
What the endless bullshit ?!

[Ribwort]

Quote: PabloMsk

... in Russia and the United States the light came together! What the endless bullshit ?!

This garbage is called history ...

Quote: PabloMsk

I just buy a house in a normal place and go there to live with my family ....

The vast majority of those present on the site are just not going to leave Russia anywhere, that's why they are discussing this topic. And what to talk about with you after that ... I’ll hint: it's time! Suitcase-Station-Israel.

[postman]

Quote: PabloMsk

They do not build missile defense against China ... They do not build against Australia .... They do not build against Canada .... They do not build against New Zealand ...

Against China - nowhere (trajectory), sea-based SM-3s will be used

New Zealand, Australia and HZ who do not possess ICBMs and nuclear weapons.
India, Pakistan are few and not yet available.
The rest, too, are also few with them.
Only we.

[mechanic33]

Quote: PabloMsk

They do not build missile defense against China ... They do not build against Australia .... They do not build against Canada ....

I think it's easier. Well, Australia and Canada are clear, the Queen of Great Britain simply appoints governors-general, these are not sovereign states at all, as we mistakenly think, but simply colonies. China, too, the industrial zone of the whole world, is not profitable to destroy, so, to weaken by internal conflicts, or to be drawn into a war for third countries, so that life does not seem like raspberries, and remember who the "boss" is. So the wedge really converged on Russia ...

Canada is a state within the British Commonwealth, and formally the head of state is the British Queen. The Queen’s official representative in Canada is the Governor General,

In accordance with the Westminster Statute, the only constitutional link between Australia and Great Britain was the common head of state - the British monarch. Australia adopted it in 1942

and here about New Zealand

The head of state is the monarch of New Zealand. Since February 6, 1952, Queen Elizabeth II has been on the throne.

Elizabeth 2 is still the same, English ....

wikipedia

[sergo0000]

Pablomc,
And what, in the 22nd century, will you give up your house to a neighbor, and you yourself will go to live on the street ?!

[PabloMsk]

Quote: sergo0000

And what, in the 22nd century, will you give up your house to a neighbor, and you yourself will go to live on the street ?! yes

No..... :)
I just buy a house in a normal place and go there to live with my family ....
Since the place where I live is not very adequate for some reason.
And I poh .... the opinion of anyone in this territory.
I will do as I think is right.

And you measure members even with the Lord God himself ....

[ISO]

You need to read, my friend, how the Russian empire was trembling by blood of the sovereign from the ruling houses of London, Berlin and Paris, they spread rot and tried to kick around the corner, and in those days it didn’t smell like commies, but quite the opposite, our entire elite was naughty in European and every way I tried to imitate it. Yes, if you dig around the project of the CPSU (b) has an English trace ...

[runway]

Makarov, while still at his post, is not only a military man, but also a politician.
State and therefore responsible person. Statements like politicians like McCain do not like us. Will Europeans and Americans like Makarov’s statement? I doubt it.
Very hot heads on the website urge our politicians to act actively. Not only brandishing a nuclear club, but also actively using it. Do you want death? But a nuclear charge kills not only fools. He destroys indiscriminately and innocent children, and the elderly, and women. About this thought Makarov, making such statements? Unfortunately, no nuclear explosion can cure this disease of his — just blurt out something at a briefing, so then our Foreign Ministry then has to disentangle it for years ....
Of course, you must not make concessions to the potential aggressor. The best response to his actions would be the availability of a combat-ready army and navy. Such an argument has always been sobering for any opponent. And if the mighty and combat-ready army and navy have smart military commanders, then the enemies are hiding somewhere beyond the horizon, rather than crawling to our borders.
But fate is not visible, - not a strategist Makarov, not a strategist...
I support the opinion Dust on this issue.

[crossbow]

In order to solve the task of protecting Europe from a missile attack by Iran (I doubt that Iran is seriously considering this possibility), and there are no other states of this kind near Europe, radaromy in Turkey or the Middle East, Russian Gabala radar, Aegis destroyers in the Mediterranean and ground missiles in southern Europe. The deployment of missile defense elements near the borders of Russia (despite the expediency of this in the form of higher combat effectiveness) is a manifestation of elementary disrespect and distrust of Russia as (like to speak in the west) to the partner, therefore Russia has every right to distrust the United States itself. So there is nothing to talk about partnership, the Jackson-Wenig amendment that has not been canceled speaks clearly, clearly and unequivocally about this.

[patriot2]

The consequences are more serious than many here express. The fact that the states donate NATO allies in Europe, everyone understood, England hopes to survive on its island. Amer feel their geographical impunity, taking measures that are not talked about now, to protect their territory. They are preparing for Russia an unenviable fate - the desert in Europe and the capture of Siberia for the development of mineral wealth. It's a question of time. What inadequate measures will be taken to prevent this scenario, what forces and means will be involved - I think that not one of our General Staffs will work in this direction.
The question is very serious - Russia is in danger.

[crossbow]

piston.k,
Regarding the behavior of Makarov, I agree 100%, in such a sensitive issue you need to behave a lot smarter, your point of view, even tougher, can be brought to the United States and Europe in much more effective and advantageous ways from the image point of view, these are the so-called information leaks , these are statements of politicians of the second third ranks, these are thoughts aloud of retired generals and military experts, etc., etc.

[vezunchik]

I imagine - a couple of strokes and can Europe come to its senses?

[elvira]

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1928147
Kommersant also covered this topic well!

[BAT]

By definition, Yankees cannot be trusted !!! Arming, arming, and arming again, And if that (God forbid) beat ahead of the curve. Best defense is attack. Only in this way can we survive. And if we talk with them, then we talk ... We cannot agree with them for good. And they are still oh how strong. We still have a lot to do to equalize the parity, and this takes time. Do we have it?

[Arc76]

Let's hit right now. You dig yourself a cozy hole on the slope of the funnel from a nuclear explosion. If you stay alive. Start right now there’s no time left.

[BAT]

And nobody offers to kick right now. I meant in the event of a clear threat to our country. And all these Amer’s slurred assurances that all of their missile defense systems are not directed against us cannot be taken seriously. And it is necessary to respond adequately to all their actions so that they would not have any desires to provoke us ...
And if you want to hit --- hit. I hope you already dug up a cozy mink for yourself. You still have plenty of time. Good luck!!!

[Art111]

I think this conference is aimed at the world community. Here they say look at what they are doing, what they are doing. Then there will be the next step on our part: "Well, since you do not give up this idea, then we are returning mobile railway atomic trains and short-range nuclear weapons." After this statement, I think the Eastern European countries will scream, and the Western European countries will gag them and ask America pause the program. Because they will understand that, as previously written, they really bang.

[Stercoder]

The hand is strained and it does not flinch on the handle of the weapon. :) the hand does not get used, the finger on the trigger. Perception is narrowed - intuition, narrowed. In this state, the reaction to a sudden movement is a shot from the belt!

[PabloMsk]

Quote: Sterkoder

The hand is strained and it does not flinch on the handle of the weapon. :) the hand does not get used, the finger on the trigger. Perception is narrowed - intuition, narrowed. In this state, the reaction to a sudden movement is a shot from the belt!

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[BAT]

Someone that hurts, my dear. The cat is thinking about a finger on the trigger, while someone is still thinking about teenage masturbation. It’s time to think about something more serious.

[PSih2097]

Mrs. Tauscher explained that the United States is ready to fix this statement on paper, but "not in a legally binding form." Western delegates explained on the sidelines that it was "unrealistic" to demand such guarantees, since they would not be passed by the parliaments of NATO countries, primarily the US Congress. They suggested: let's start practical cooperation in the field of missile defense, and then trust will appear. But the hosts of the event objected: cooperation is possible only after receiving legal guarantees from the Russian Federation. On this and parted.
Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1928147

Already similar things have passed, "Molotov-Ribentrop Pact", then to our question to the Germans in 41, what are their troops doing in Poland, near the border of the USSR, what did they say? - the troops are resting before Operation Sea Lion (landing operation in England), and on June 22, at exactly 4 o'clock (although it started at 3:30), we realized that we had been heavily stabbed ...
And all the mouse fuss around missile defense resembles the situation of 39-40 years ...

[postman]

and the Russian Federation can calmly give written guarantees "in a legally binding form" that all missiles that are supposed to be deployed do not pose a threat to NATO and the United States.
and post.
and a piece of paper, well, paper will endure everything.
If it comes to the point (God forbid), it will not matter.
We must not hold conferences, but act:
Kaliningrad
-Belarus
-fighting patrols of Poplar on the territory of Kazakhstan
-Sakhalin: "unsinkable aircraft carrier of Russia"
- etc. etc.

[Nechai]

Quote: Vanek

But Europe does not seem to want to understand or is so sure that ABM will take out.

Europe is an object of politics, but not a subject. When the first Tomahawks and Pershinges-2 were placed on its territory, and the Union stated that these positions would be hit first, it was not politicians who began to protest, but people took to the streets and said - remove this whole canoe soon. And then the info also went that the Pentagon buried the Germans with the nth number of high-explosive mines. Then everything is there ofigeli ....

Quote: Dust

Well, who will now be called the arsonists of war?

Those who survive will call their opponents that way.

Quote: PabloMsk

I just buy a house in a normal place and go there to live with my family ....

The ball of the Earth for the realization of this desire is very small. You just have to fly away. There is no suitable place in the solar system without terraforming. Maybe in another Star System, you will find something.

[Owl]

"Preemptive strike on missile defense facilities" is the beginning of a global nuclear conflict. Having said this, the NGSH helped overseas opponents, showed Russia in the form of a mad bear with a nuclear missile club. There are no winners in a nuclear war.

[postman]

Quote: Eagle Owl

"Preemptive strike on missile defense targets" is the beginning

This does not mean that they will hit the pits, or after they cut the ribbons, when the third position area is completed: whack across Romania and Poland.
It is implied:
When the situation reaches the verge of the beginning of an exchange of strikes, or if the missiles have already flown (no matter whose, you still can’t stop already), a pre-emptive strike will be launched against missile defense objects.
And not necessarily missiles in Poland, Romania.
You can: sabotage on land, an air strike on the positions and platforms of sea-based, attack submarines hunters on ships carrying SM-3
Task: in any way cause damage or thin out missile defense systems.
to clear (just in case) the "sky" for the launch of the RF ICBM.
Maybe after applying proactive and calm down, because the probability of interception will decrease.

[Owl]

Now, it seems to me very problematic to ensure the "work" of special forces groups on missile defense objects, with a high probability of their disabling (destruction), the times of the USSR have already passed, the adoption of weapons "based on new physical principles" in the RF Armed Forces is not expected in the near future. Remains, in the current situation, a missile strike with a warhead in conventional equipment. In the "special period", all possible parties to the conflict have the highest readiness to strike, launching a dozen missiles will cause a massive strike.

[postman]

Quote: Eagle Owl

it is problematic to ensure the "work" of special forces groups

That's right. They (times) have passed, but it somehow turned out strange, all that is:
Barrier - Special Forces Special Forces. Number 300 people.
“Pennant” (Aims and TASKS WERE: Illegal reconnaissance, the creation of intelligence networks, the release, seizure and delivery of persons with valuable information, the introduction into the structure of special services and military organizations for the purpose of espionage or the destruction of people posing a threat to the state, Preparation for coups, overthrows modes. Disorganization of the rear, sabotage and sabotage at special facilities. Legal radiation reconnaissance of the area adjacent to the radioactive zone ..
In 1993, as part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs! (Do you want to undermine special facilities), NOW is the “B” department of the FSB Anti-Fighting Department with terrorism

There are only:
2nd separate GRU special-purpose brigade (p. Promezhitsy, r. Pskov, LenVO)
3rd Separate Guards Brigade for Special Purpose (c. Chernorechye PrivO)
10th separate GRU special-purpose brigade (Molkino village, Krasnodar Territory, North Caucasian Military District)
The 14th separate GRU special-purpose brigade (Ussuriysk, Primorsky Krai, Far Eastern Federal District) (planned to be abolished)
16th separate GRU special-purpose brigade (Tambov, Moscow Military District)
22nd separate guards brigade of special purpose GRU (p. Stepnoy, Rostov region, North Caucasian Military District)
24th separate GRU special-purpose brigade (Irkutsk, Siberian Military District)
и
45th separate reconnaissance regiment of special forces of the airborne forces .....

ZATO APPEARED and IS

Special Purpose Departments of the Federal Penitentiary Service of Russia

SATURN - 29.04.92 - Moscow
TORCH - 30.05.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Moscow Region
SOKOL - 17.03.91 - Belgorod
TORNADO - 11.06.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Bryansk
MONOMAH - 21.06.91 - Vladimir
SKIF - 07.07.97 - Rostov-on-Don
URAGAN - 04.01.91 - Ivanovo
THUNDER - 23.09.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Kaluga
THUNDER - 07.06.92 - Kostroma
BARS-2 - 15.01.93/XNUMX/XNUMX - Kursk
TITAN - 06.01.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Lipetsk
ROSICH - 30.07.91 - Ryazan
JAGUAR - 13.08.92 - Eagle
PHOENIX - 14.09.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Smolensk
VEPR - 17.04.93 - Tambov
GRIF - 04.12.93/XNUMX/XNUMX - Tula
Lynx - 26.03.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Tver
STORM - 19.08.91 - Yaroslavl
CONDOR - 07.07.91 - Republic of Adygea
SCORPION - 07.06.91 - Astrakhan
BARS - 13.03.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Volgograd
OREL - 11.11.92 - Republic of Dagestan
SHARK - 04.03.91 - Krasnodar
VOLCANO - 14.03.93 - Republic of Kabardino-Balkaria
GYURZA - 02.10.92 - Republic of Kalmykia
ROSNA - 14.03.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Rostov-on-Don
BULAT - 20.10.91 - Republic of North Ossetia
ABROAD - 01.03.92/XNUMX/XNUMX - Stavropol
SIVUCH - 18.08.93/XNUMX/XNUMX - Arkhangelsk
VIKING-2 - 23.07.91 - Vologda
GRANITE - 07.07.93 - Republic of Karelia
SAPSAN - 11.03.93/XNUMX/XNUMX - Komi Republic
BASTION - 06.03.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Kaliningrad
ICEBERG - 11.07.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Murmansk
RUSICH - 13.11.91 - Novgorod
ZUBR - 13.11.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Pskov
TYPHOON - 20.02.91 - St. Petersburg
DELTA - 01.11.92/XNUMX/XNUMX - Severoonezhsk
SPRUT - 07.07.93 - Mikun
FOBOS - 28.06.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Penza
YASTREB - 22.01.92/XNUMX/XNUMX - Republic of Mari El
RIVESE - 14.03.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Saransk
BARSA - 17.01.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Kazan
GUARD - 06.08.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Cheboksary
SMERCH - 03.04.91 - Ufa
CRACKET - 01.07.91 - Izhevsk
SARMAT - 01.02.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Orenburg
BEAR - 06.02.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Perm
MANGUST - 22.06.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Samara
ORION - 05.09.91 - Saratov
DIAMOND - 01.03.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Kirov
BERSERK - 04.03.91 - Nizhny Novgorod
SHKVAL - 28.11.91 - Ulyanovsk
VARYAG - 23.03.93 - Solikamsk
CHEPS - 23.04.93/XNUMX/XNUMX - Yavas
CENTAUR - 01.10.92 - Forest
MIRAGE - 31.07.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Kurgan
RUSSIA - 14.01.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Yekaterinburg
GRAD - 19.03.91 - Tyumen
NORTH - 09.09.99 - Surgut
URAL - 09.01.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Chelyabinsk
VORTEX - 22.12.93 - Sosva
SOBOL - 22.03.93/XNUMX/XNUMX - Tavda
WOSOMAHA - 01.12.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX - Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug
EDELWEISS - 05.04.93 - Republic of Gorny Altai
SAGITTARIUS - 11.07.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Ulan-Ude
URAGAN - 18.06.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Irkutsk
KODAR - 26.02.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Chita
LEGION - 17.04.91 - Barnaul
ERMAK - 21.02.91 - Krasnoyarsk
CEDAR - 09.05.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Kemerovo
VIKING - 12.02.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Omsk
KORSAR - 14.09.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Novosibirsk
SIBERIA - 12.02.91 - Tomsk
IRBIS - 06.06.91 - Kyzyl
OMEGA - 06.11.91/XNUMX/XNUMX - Abakan
SHIELD - 25.02.91 - N. Poyma
EAST - 01.04.92/XNUMX/XNUMX - Blagoveshchensk
SHADOW - 26.02.93/XNUMX/XNUMX - Birobidzhan
LEADER - 22.08.92/XNUMX/XNUMX - Vladivostok
POLAR WOLF - 27.05.91 - Magadan
MIRAGE - 04.04.91 - Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk
AMUR - 12.02.91 - Khabarovsk
WHITE BEAR - 05.05.92 - Yakutsk
BERKUT - 31.03.93/XNUMX/XNUMX - Kamchatka
they probably will work on the objects of the third positional area?
But seriously, enough iskander-K with KODD in Kaliningrad
no nuclear strike.
and in order to completely insure shock satellites (3-4) in the overlapped zone, the trajectory over Romania and Poland is mandatory.
With a package of maneuvering warheads.
You don’t need much: a braking impulse and 7 km / s, reaching the goal in 42 seconds.
Guidance: The GCI position is well known.
It will be cheap and cheerful without nuclear weapons. There is no chance to intercept.
For damage to the radar, TZM, PU, ​​KPU-enough

[Owl]

You can also add SOBR and UNOs (former OMON), which are in every constituent entity of the Russian Federation, add at the same time reconnaissance brigades and revived "people's squads". There is no need to "live in illusions." If there is a preparation and practicing of application - they don't talk about it, if they say - nothing is usually done except for words. About the quality of the FSIN detachments - there are sometimes former "conscripts" and officers of the Special Forces of the Armed Forces, nothing more, in the Caucasus I have also seen the units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSIN detachments, they have a different purpose, they even differ greatly from each other in training.

[postman]

You do not understand, I’m just without illusions.
And vice versa with sarcasm.
The "totalitarian" USSR did not have as many special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the numerical strength of the Ministry of Internal Affairs was inferior to the Armed Forces.
Now, on the contrary, "Democratic Russia"
The Ministry of Internal Affairs is bigger than the Armed Forces.
+
NOT ONE dozen special forces of the Federal Penitentiary Service of Russia (prison)

But the GRU special forces, etc., almost did not remain ...

[Sarus]

Look comrades ...
In any case, in Siberia, the Anglo-Saxons do not produce oil ....
We have here in almost every house a gun hangs on a shelf ...
The scary thing is that the puppet government would not be put at risk of missile defense ...
But the conference still gave a plus ... It became clear to everyone that the Russian Federation would not just look at everything in silence as in 90 ....
That time has passed ... The gentlemen of the Democrats would have missed taking us without a shot ...
Pros **** fell so to speak .... Give us another 20 25 years ...
Our generation will grow up ... Unlike yours ... So let's see who will then reassure whom ....

[Knowing]

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