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Armenian military for the protesters? Defense Ministry’s response to military protest

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Dozens of military without weapons today took part in the rally in Yerevan against the election of the former President Serzh Sargsyan as Prime Minister, reports TASS.




It is reported that the Armenian Ministry of Defense has already condemned a group of servicemen of the peacekeeping brigade who joined the demonstrators.

The actions of these servicemen are considered not only as a violation of the regime of staying in a military unit and refusal to perform their duties through the unauthorized abandonment of the unit, in connection with which an appropriate appeal was filed to the competent authorities, but as a gross violation of the principle of non-interference of the Armed Forces in political processes. This should also concern international organizations.
said in a statement by the department

The servicemen themselves refuse to comment on their presence at the rally, only explaining that they are "one with their people."

According to the director of the National Security Service of Armenia, Georgy Kutoyan, the current events are already turning into serious challenges against statehood.

Unfortunately, observation of recent events suggests that a consistent attempt is being made to upset the balance, which is already a direct encroachment not on individual statesmen or politicians, but on the basis of statehood,
said Kutoyan.

He said that “the information obtained as a result of the ongoing operational-search activities conducted by the National Security Service gives grounds to draw conclusions that, in parallel with the process of the realization of their constitutional rights by citizens, both internal and external forces (...) want to realize its vile programs aimed at the inviolability of sovereignty (Armenia), state borders and territorial integrity. "

As an Armenian, a son and a parent, I call for prudence and solidarity, but as the head of the National Security Council I warn you that not a single "fishing in muddy water", and without exception, will not go unpunished, any act of such people will receive a full assessment in full,
stated Kutoyan.
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  1. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith April 23 2018 15: 00
    +19
    I'll leave it here
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 April 23 2018 15: 05
      +7
      Quote: Sith Lord
      I'll leave it here

      what is this post for?
      everything is right - the people and the army are united !!! true goals are different
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith April 23 2018 15: 09
        +26
        Moreover, this revolution is the work of the West.
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 April 23 2018 15: 10
          +24
          Quote: Sith Lord
          Moreover, this revolution is the work of the West.

          perhaps that is so, BUT ... before the people took to the streets of HIS, did the authorities muzzle ?? ?? if everything is ok, then who will go on buzzing?
          1. Russia
            Russia April 23 2018 15: 15
            +13
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            Quote: Sith Lord
            Moreover, this revolution is the work of the West.

            perhaps that is so, BUT ... before the people took to the streets of HIS, did the authorities muzzle ?? ?? if everything is ok, then who will go on buzzing?

            And where is not OK? This is what the adversaries use. hi
            1. NordOst16
              NordOst16 April 23 2018 16: 01
              +12
              Well, maybe it’s better to make the country have more “OK” than otherwise. A well-fed and satisfied people to raise rallies is not an easy task.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 April 23 2018 19: 36
                +5
                Quote: NordOst16
                A well-fed and satisfied people to raise rallies is not an easy task.

                How many times has been written about the true composition of all those going to rallies.
                1. NordOst16
                  NordOst16 April 23 2018 19: 56
                  +5
                  Even 100 people will not be able to undermine a successful country. If opponents were able to raise a mass of people - this is one question, but if this statement resonated throughout the country, then this is a completely different problem, namely an indicator that the people are clearly dissatisfied with something. You can’t raise a well-fed and happy people
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 April 23 2018 20: 58
                    +4
                    Quote: NordOst16
                    If opponents were able to raise a mass of people

                    And what does this mass of people decide? People work and go about their business, they have no time to run waving flags. And this continues until the roasted cock pecks. And here are a few tens of thousands of "active minorities" and arrange a bunch.
                    1. NordOst16
                      NordOst16 April 23 2018 21: 45
                      0
                      Active people who want, and most importantly, are ready to make efforts to achieve their dreams, are always a minority, but it is it that is the engine of society. Perhaps one can compare with the discoverers, they are the first and if they can catch luck by the tail, then they will be pulled.
                      Usually these are students and other individuals who have time, free energy and dissatisfaction with the situation.
                      And the state’s task is to occupy this minority and direct their violent activities in a safe direction.
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 April 23 2018 22: 20
                        +4
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Usually these are students and other individuals who have time, free energy and dissatisfaction with the situation.
                        And the state’s task is to occupy this minority and direct their violent activities in a safe direction.

                        The problem is that they themselves do not want to work, but to fight.
                    2. w70
                      w70 April 24 2018 06: 57
                      0
                      or people write comments, then there’s no time to wave flags
                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 21: 01
                    +2
                    Quote: NordOst16
                    Even 100 people will not be able to undermine a successful country.

                    even as they can, the main task is to take power in the capital and either win the army to your side or make it neutral
                    1. NordOst16
                      NordOst16 April 23 2018 22: 19
                      0
                      To take power in the capital, to win over to your side - doesn’t it seem to you that this requires extremely painstaking and complicated preparation, and at the same time, the authorities will by all means resist this, in a strong state this will not work. Again, I repeat, all these uprisings are opportunistic infections - in a strong state they are impossible. So such uprisings are not one, but a large series of mistakes by the government which led to a radical change of government. So, in my opinion, uprisings are not a cause, but a consequence.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 07: 33
                        0
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        To take power in the capital, to win over to your side - doesn’t it seem to you that this requires extremely painstaking and complicated preparation
                        and who argues with this?
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        in a strong state this will not work.

                        who told you?!!!!!!!!!
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Again, I repeat, all these uprisings are opportunistic infections - in a strong state they are impossible.

                        so where did you get that ?!
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        So, in my opinion, uprisings are not a cause, but a consequence.

                        So what? mistakes can be made both strong and weak
                  3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 21: 03
                    +5
                    Quote: NordOst16
                    You can’t raise a well-fed and happy people

                    yeah
                    do you even know that representatives of the "well-fed" part of society are showing dissatisfaction?
                    1. NordOst16
                      NordOst16 April 23 2018 21: 50
                      0
                      This part of society is the most lazy. The easiest, youngest, most energetic and unsatisfied - young people, students, etc.
                      And it is easiest to shake so that the state’s task is to occupy this horde with a thread until it calms down. Something in thought comes up with an idea with a good salary for half a year - a year of construction or other work in the most remote corners of the vast. After such a few people will have the energy and desire to jump in the squares)))
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 07: 37
                        0
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        This part of society is the most lazy.

                        apparently the story at school you skipped
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        The easiest, youngest, most energetic and unsatisfied - young people, students, etc.

                        yes, but it’s firewood and not the brain
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        And it is easiest to shake so that the state’s task is to occupy this horde with a thread until it calms down.

                        so they are busy - THEY LEARN, another question is that the students themselves are a crowd, with all the
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Something in thought comes up with an idea with a good salary

                        who, students?
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        for half a year - a year construction or other work in the most remote corners of the vast.

                        and how do you drive modern future managers there? !!!!
                        you first start yelling about violence
          2. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith April 23 2018 15: 23
            +10
            Of course muzzled.

            Armenian Prime Minister Serzh Sargsyan resigned.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 15: 32
              +4
              and Rostov not to let
              By the way, the opposition led the protest for leaving the EAEU, probably now they will join the Turks
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker April 23 2018 15: 47
                +11
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                By the way, the opposition led the protest for leaving the EAEU, probably now they will join the Turks

                The Karabakh problem will not go anywhere. But the withdrawal of the Russian WB from Gyumri will only benefit Azerbaijan.
                Well, and then - on the thumb - the Ukrainian-Georgian variant with fuel for the Protestants and the future government of Armenia.
                Yes .... More cookies will be brought.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 15: 51
                  +4
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  Karabakh problem is not going anywhere

                  why the opposition will prove that Karabakh is not needed, that it’s a yoke, etc.
                  listen to our hamsters for Crimea
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker April 23 2018 15: 54
                    +6
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    why the opposition will prove that Karabakh is not needed, that it’s a yoke, etc.
                    listen to our hamsters for Crimea

                    It seems to me that those armed Armenian units stationed in the NKR have a slightly different opinion. But there will be their own "liberals."
                    Armenia did not sit on 2's chairs. Maybe father and sultan will do the lessons?
                    1. Pax tecum
                      Pax tecum April 23 2018 16: 04
                      +5
                      Armenian Defense Ministry has already condemned a group of military personnel of the peacekeeping brigade who joined the demonstrators

                      Winners are not judged. Winners will judge for themselves.
                      Remember how M.A. Bulgakov’s in “The Master and Margarita”: ... Today I’m an unofficial person, and tomorrow, you look, official! But it happens and vice versa ..
                      Ah, your 1991-1993 years. what, forgot? And who are the judges?

                      This, then, is the INTERNAL affair of Armenia.
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker April 23 2018 16: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: Pax tecum
                        This is the INTERNAL business of Armenia.

                        ..... As Peskov stated today for the media .....
                        After the twists of the former partners “from there to here”, it remains to stock up on popcorn.
                      2. Orionvit
                        Orionvit April 23 2018 16: 39
                        +5
                        Quote: Pax tecum
                        This, then, is the INTERNAL affair of Armenia.

                        Of course it is, only this "internal affair", as always, ears grow from Washington. In addition, there are still Russian guys and the border guarding, and in general Armenia. Why will they die?
                    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 16: 12
                      0
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      Armenia did not sit on 2's chairs. Maybe father and sultan will do the lessons?

                      oh not a fact
                      Nazar has long been multi-vector, God forgive me, he practices, and Lukashenko, well, he is Lukashenko
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker April 23 2018 16: 17
                        +3
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Nazar has long been multi-vector, God forgive me, he practices, and Lukashenko, well, he is Lukashenko

                        The comic nature of the situation lies in the fact that one and the other profess the so-called independence. And this is in the Customs Union. At the same time, the economy of Belarus is constantly balancing on the verge of technical default. And the "brothers" -Kazakhs are trying to create the notorious political "nezalEzhnost", bordering China and the Russian Federation. As a result, nationalism is flourishing with poor prospects.
              2. flicker
                flicker April 23 2018 17: 57
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

                By the way, the opposition led the protest for leaving the EAEU, probably now they will join the Turks
                No, their division: WEST WILL HELP US!
                It will help, help and help again.
            2. the finish
              the finish April 23 2018 15: 33
              0
              I don’t know how reliable, but they say that Serge’s mother died of a heart attack an hour ago.
            3. Solomon Kane
              Solomon Kane April 23 2018 15: 51
              +2
              Eh! ..... dashing trouble the beginning .... what
          3. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky April 23 2018 15: 32
            +21
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            perhaps that is so, BUT ... before the people took to the streets of HIS, did the authorities muzzle ?? ?? if everything is ok, then who will go on buzzing?

            On Urkain in 2014, they also thought that now they are rushing anywhere in search of “happiness”, but the Evolution spilled on their heads not with golden rain and euro. Salaries and banally pumped out money and sent thousands of funerals. It seems that the Armenians, instead of learning from the mistakes of others, decided to hack their cones. Curators from behind the puddles do not even bother with writing new scripts and disperse events according to old worked patterns. Soon, unknown snipers and sacred victims will appear, having formed some sort of "Ararat heavenly division" ... It's a pity the country. Another mess area on the world map. Azerbaijan and Karabakh will lead under this case.
            1. Ushly_bashkort
              Ushly_bashkort April 23 2018 15: 39
              +5
              Yeah, the script worked out, now under it where only they can tear.
          4. Piramidon
            Piramidon April 23 2018 20: 40
            +2
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            perhaps that is so, BUT ... before the people took to the streets of HIS, did the authorities muzzle ?? ?? if everything is ok, then who will go on buzzing?

            Name at least one country where everything is OK what
          5. Lex.
            Lex. April 23 2018 22: 17
            0
            And where do not face?
            When there is nothing to eat Armenia is the poorest country
        2. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane April 23 2018 15: 50
          +5
          Striped spins promote the theme according to their doctrine of 1981-1983. to destabilize the situation on the borders of the USSR (then), now Russia, drawing the former republics into conflicts, political, internecine, religious, etc. ...... "At the start" and Central Asia ....
      2. NIKNN
        NIKNN April 23 2018 15: 12
        +2
        This should also concern international organizations,
        Not otherwise... laughing As they say in the advertisement "Answered in PM" ... :)))
      3. Vend
        Vend April 23 2018 15: 20
        +2
        Quote: Tiksi-3
        Quote: Sith Lord
        I'll leave it here

        what is this post for?
        everything is right - the people and the army are united !!! true goals are different

        Is it the people?
      4. Safevi
        Safevi April 23 2018 15: 28
        +1
        Sargsyan removed. Live news
        1. the finish
          the finish April 23 2018 15: 38
          +1
          truly bloodless velvet revolution
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 15: 47
            +5
            Quote: finish
            truly bloodless velvet revolution

            how much bloodless will we learn later, liberalists also tell us that the labeled one saved the country from a civil war, only here, for example, in Donetsk they will not agree
          2. 72jora72
            72jora72 April 23 2018 16: 03
            +3
            truly bloodless velvet revolution
            I am touched by your nearness laughing
            1. the finish
              the finish April 23 2018 16: 05
              +1
              Mutually....
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 16: 20
                +2
                Quote: finish
                Mutually....
                tell me, and the collapse of the USSR was bloodless, all the color revolutions after?
                1. the finish
                  the finish April 23 2018 16: 44
                  0
                  We wait and see. I want to believe.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 16: 59
                    0
                    Quote: finish
                    We wait and see. I want to believe.

    2. Chertt
      Chertt April 23 2018 15: 06
      +4
      Armenia and EurAsEC and the CSTO, if a serious "mess" begins, Russia will have to intervene
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 15: 33
        +2
        Quote: Chertt
        Armenia and EurAsEC and the CSTO, if a serious "mess" begins, Russia will have to intervene

        and now they’ll come out right away, or think why all this bucha
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum April 23 2018 16: 29
          0
          Armenia and EurAsEC and the CSTO, if a serious "mess" begins, Russia will have to intervene

          The main goal of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) is to continue and strengthen relations in foreign policy, military, military-technical spheres, to coordinate joint efforts in the fight against international terrorism and other security threats. Her position on the world stage is a large eastern influential military association.

          There is no talk of interference in the internal affairs of the CSTO members.
          Now, if an external enemy or terrorism, then yes, by joint efforts.
          The EurAsEC is generally not side by side with these “matters”.
    3. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis April 23 2018 15: 11
      +10
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      I'll leave it here

      And what is "armenin"?
      1. jetfors_84
        jetfors_84 April 23 2018 15: 35
        +2
        He is not Russian
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch April 23 2018 16: 17
        +3
        Quote: Avis-bis
        And what is "armenin"?

        Three classes of education, and those skipped ...
    4. Dezinto
      Dezinto April 23 2018 15: 14
      +12
      And the day before yesterday he was Ukrainian. And the day before yesterday he was a Georgian, Moldovan, Uzbek, Libyan and Egyptian.
      Natural is a mutant. !
      Have you seen the movie "Something"?
      Here in the role of decorative dolls are our liberals. Do not tell them what will not happen .... mutate instantly ...

    5. Lekxnumx
      Lekxnumx April 23 2018 15: 16
      +19

      These photos describe the situation more correctly.
      The people are exempted from the chair lover. He sat for two terms and that's enough, otherwise it has become fashionable to change the constitution, the form of government in order to sit out one place. Having left all the former disputes, I will tell you frankly that this people deserves respect.
      Unlike us, a company of young people is sitting in a cafe, they began to discuss power, for any one of the company laugh it off. "Sakit danish indie gelib aparachaglar"
      1. Chichikov
        Chichikov April 23 2018 15: 36
        +13
        In Ukraine, since 2013, they began to fight under beautiful slogans - "Ukraine, not the common fund of Yanukovych," and as a result, nationalists and neo-fascists came to power! How it ended is known ...
        It is hard to imagine in what form the Azerbaijani-Armenian conflict will develop if the pro-American forces win and how it will end, for Armenia as a whole. Good luck
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith April 23 2018 15: 38
          +7
          It’s clear that they work on the same program! Moreover, most Armenians live and work in Russia.
          1. Dr. Sorge
            Dr. Sorge April 23 2018 16: 05
            +2
            Well, wimps, these local rulers ... Another decided to become Europeans. Now the Russians will be kicked out.
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit April 23 2018 16: 35
              +2
              Quote: Dr. Sorge
              Now the Russians will be kicked out.

              The Russians left there back in the 90s. Only a few remained, the most persistent.
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn April 23 2018 16: 01
        +3
        Quote: Lek3338
        The people are exempted from the chair lover. He sat for two terms and that's enough, otherwise it has become fashionable to change the constitution, the form of government in order to sit out one place. Having left all the former disputes, I will tell you frankly that this people deserves respect.
        I agree with you. And so practically everywhere, in the former Soviet Union, until the people ask, they themselves will not leave.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit April 23 2018 16: 33
          +1
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          until the people ask, they themselves will not leave

          That's just for these "peoples", for some reason, the interests of a star-striped flag always loom. With all the ensuing problems for these nations.
      3. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum April 23 2018 16: 50
        +9
        The people are exempted from the chair lover. He sat for two terms and that's enough, otherwise it has become fashionable to change the constitution, the form of government in order to sit out one place. Having left all the former disputes, I tell you frankly that this people deserves respect.

        In Russia, this is even worse. Political technologies are such that any "slavish thinking" rests.
        The ban on referenda, rallies, demonstrations, new secret waves of privatization, pseudo-elections, re-elections, bureaucratic lawlessness and other applications of "sovereign democracy". Worthy people, no matter how worthy they would be, will never fall into power. They will not be allowed, there are only "their own". Even the new Russian state of Novorossia, the leaders of the Russian spring, the Kremlin feverishly strangled, because This is a real competition for the Kremlin content.
        The authorities always work ahead of the curve, hedged for legislation, from the “Russian” Article 282 of the Criminal Code to the Federal Law “On Meetings, Meetings, Demonstrations, Processions and Pickets” from 19.06.2004 N 54.

        But how else can one “ask" outright enemies to leave?
        Throughout history, power in Russia was changed only by force or by the threat of its use.
        And by the way! What is the current power in the Kremlin? How did it come to the 1991-1993?
        And immediately the laws for themselves, and that would not bear responsibility (As the Federal Law on the President, Vladimir Putin "designed" for himself, where he would not be responsible for anything until the end of his days).
        Medvedev and Co. in the country, only the lazy did not bow, and he is still there.
        So what? Is the people ready to drive the devils out of power? No, ..you! The king is good, the boyars are bad.
        1. jaroff
          jaroff April 23 2018 17: 31
          +2
          And Kvachkov is sitting ....
      4. Slavs
        Slavs April 23 2018 21: 22
        +1
        Quote: Lek3338
        "Sakit danish indie gelib aparachaglar" "Hush, say now they will come pick up"

        Are you sure that this phrase in Armenian sounds exactly like that? ))) Ah, tsav et tan um)))
    6. the finish
      the finish April 23 2018 15: 28
      0
      Prime Serge has just resigned.
    7. figwam
      figwam April 23 2018 15: 31
      +1
      Quote: Sith Lord
      I'll leave it here

      Pan-heads are now in vogue ...
    8. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov April 23 2018 15: 51
      +2
      he who does not ride is a Sargsyan!
    9. fighter angel
      fighter angel April 24 2018 14: 45
      0
      Chicha, what will you be tomorrow?
      If your "favorite" Anglo-Saxons take loot?
  2. 22 dmdc
    22 dmdc April 23 2018 15: 06
    +4
    How much was convicted? Vegetable traders are already crawling to Karabakh, and these "soldiers" are standing in line for cookies.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht April 23 2018 15: 12
      +8
      The biggest stupidity that "vegetable traders" can do is now "crawl to Karabakh."
      I like the development of events in Armenia. Everything is going as it should go.
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii April 23 2018 15: 28
        +10
        This is called Karabakh on a silver platter. The position is weak when the overseas uncle decides for you, the same thing can happen to you, no one is going to reconcile you, you have to pay for everything, but you won’t be able to discuss the price on an equal footing, as in the market, the rules are different. hi
        1. Lekxnumx
          Lekxnumx April 23 2018 15: 36
          +1
          Quote: ul_vitalii
          the same thing can happen to you,

          Your words, but to God’s ears. Although this will not happen until the people continue to believe in God and not in themselves. You certainly will not happen, your king is always a good bad boyars!
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 15: 48
            +4
            Quote: Lek3338
            your king is always good bad boyars!

            is your bad?
            dad son, now here is the son’s wife
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            2. Lekxnumx
              Lekxnumx April 23 2018 15: 52
              +1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              is your bad?
              dad son, now here is the son’s wife


              They themselves asked a question and answered themselves!
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 16: 13
                0
                you do not turn a certain part of the tell, but directly answer
                1. Lekxnumx
                  Lekxnumx April 23 2018 16: 24
                  0
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  you do not turn a certain part of the tell, but directly answer

                  I move only one part of the body, forward and backward, but at a certain time and definitely not near you. Do not ask me only ladies are interested.
                  Yes bad! much more specific? Do not be rude, because I can too.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 16: 27
                    0
                    so don’t change?
                    Or can you only teach us?
                    1. Lekxnumx
                      Lekxnumx April 23 2018 16: 50
                      +1
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      so don’t change?
                      Or can you only teach us?

                      No along the way we can’t, here we have to assert ourselves that not only is so with us. Alas and ah
          2. Russia
            Russia April 23 2018 15: 50
            +6
            Quote: Lek3338
            Quote: ul_vitalii
            the same thing can happen to you,

            Your words, but to God’s ears. Although this will not happen until the people continue to believe in God and not in themselves. You certainly will not happen, your king is always a good bad boyars!

            Why did it bother you so much? To live with wolves, howl like a wolf, wean from Russian tit. And do not poke, dear, reduce your ambition! hi
            1. Lekxnumx
              Lekxnumx April 23 2018 15: 58
              +1
              Quote: Rusland
              Why did it bother you so much? To live with wolves, howl like a wolf, wean from Russian tit. And do not poke, dear, reduce your ambition

              I won’t poke you. I wrote to Vladimir. Why did you disengage?
              I didn’t poke him, I quoted a Russian proverb. Didn’t you hear that?
          3. Slavs
            Slavs April 23 2018 21: 25
            +1
            Yes, we have a good king))) And you ??
        2. Bakht
          Bakht April 23 2018 16: 03
          +1
          Inattentively read? There will be no Karabakh on a silver platter. With logical chains, you obviously can not.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 April 23 2018 16: 18
            +2
            Azerbaijan already drives tanks to NK
          2. DenZ
            DenZ April 23 2018 16: 52
            +1
            Quote: Bakht
            There will be no Karabakh on a silver platter

            "It’s not yet evening" may not be on a silver platter, but it will be worse if it is with the war.
            1. Bakht
              Bakht April 23 2018 20: 53
              0
              I am waiting for another scenario. I have repeatedly said that this is coming .... So I can repeat myself "I like the development of events in Armenia." Will Russia like it - this is where the dog rummaged :-)
              By the way, has Sarsyan already resigned as prime minister?
      2. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx April 23 2018 15: 30
        +2
        Sag ellery Bizim Bashymyza. Meanwhile, we dismissed the 83-year-old prime minister and put the 71-year-old. However, we progress and laughter and sin, however.
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 15: 34
        +2
        Quote: Bakht
        I like the development of events in Armenia. Everything is going as it should go.

        like why do we need Karabakh Hapan all of Armenia?
        1. Bakht
          Bakht April 23 2018 20: 57
          0
          Why do we need Armenia? We have no plans to create Great Azerbaijan.
          in principle because of what fuss? War criminal Sargsyan decided to continue his reign and got into the prime minister’s chair? The Karabakh Clan is tired of the Armenians themselves. Interestingly, a lot of people will come to Red Square if they throw the cry "Bear in the taiga"?
          Here we have peace and grace .... As they wrote here - one prime minister for another. And no one in Azerbaijan will remember their name. Even if I strongly tighten the biceps of the brain, I don’t remember. :-)
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 21: 06
            +1
            Quote: Bakht
            We have no plans to create Great Azerbaijan.

            and what have YOU to do with it ?!
            1. Bakht
              Bakht April 23 2018 21: 08
              0
              Personally, I have nothing to do with it. Azerbaijan is also not going to "harbor" anything.
              I have an Azerbaijani flag
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 07: 42
                +1
                Quote: Bakht
                My flag is Azerbaijani

                what?
                everything will be decided for you
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht April 24 2018 09: 07
                  0
                  It is difficult to talk with a person who has decided everything for himself.
                  Who will solve everything for us?
                  Russia? Hardly.
                  USA? The American ambassador to Baku was reprimanded as a boy.
                  Who will decide for us?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 10: 01
                    0
                    Do you really consider yourself a subject ?!
                    you may be offended, you may not, but you will move exclusively within the boundaries that indicate you
                    1. Bakht
                      Bakht April 24 2018 10: 20
                      0
                      On another topic, I already wrote. We are not a subject. We can be manipulated. But ... not enough to tell us what to do.
                      I can tell you for sure that Azerbaijan will move in the direction of its recognized borders, regardless of any indications from the north or from the ocean.
                      By the way, what about the tanks that Azerbaijan allegedly advanced to the front line? Didn’t shoot? Another provocation of Sargsyan. He scared everyone with a war if the protests continued. But ... in the Azerbaijani media (which you certainly don’t read) it was said that "Azerbaijan will not make such a gift to Sargsyan."
                      https://haqqin.az/news/127297
                      But the war will still be. Not because they tell us, but because the integrity of the country needs to be restored.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 10: 43
                        0
                        Quote: Bakht
                        We are not a subject. We can be manipulated. But ... not enough to tell us what to do.

                        you contradict yourself, moreover, you will not directly indicate and will not, push
      4. ASDik37
        ASDik37 April 23 2018 15: 48
        +2
        That's right - why crawl now, to consolidate the Armenians around this problem? It is better to wait, and even better to help the protesters, drive wedges into the split - when it boils and explodes, Karabakh itself can fall off - then they will crawl
    2. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 23 2018 16: 30
      +1
      Quote: 22 dmdc
      Vegetable traders already creep to Karabakh

      I don’t know how in Karabakh, but in our city, on the market (in Ukraine), Armenians and Azerbaijanis are best friends. About how the common "work" unites. laughing Money does not smell.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht April 23 2018 21: 17
        0
        I will tell you a real story.
        In the vastness of Russia, a jeep turned over in Siberia. Ice No one was hurt. The traffic cop when I arrived saw a strange picture. Three morons stand around the car and neigh like horses. He asks - What is the matter? Answer
        -You look at us. Armenian, Azerbaijani and Russian. If someone was crushed, they would say on a national basis.
        The traffic cop also laughed and left. Do you know what is the most interesting? Both Armenian and Azerbaijani fought in Karabakh.
        This is not a joke. It was in real life.
        1. Crane operator Nahamkinson
          Crane operator Nahamkinson April 23 2018 22: 24
          +3
          In-in, in Siberia ...
          I live just in Siberia.
          And around us are not Chinese, as they like to scare us .... loving shekels.
          Namely, the natives of the Caucasus.
          On every corner ....
          Right now, Armenians and Azerbaijanis have a chance to return home, to their historical homeland.
          Some will conquer Karabakh,
          and others protect him.
  3. polpot
    polpot April 23 2018 15: 07
    +3
    They want to go to Europe, there are no problems, the visa regime and other interesting nishtyaks issued to Georgians, another euro integrators, the experience of rodents and ukrov apparently was in vain
    1. Ushly_bashkort
      Ushly_bashkort April 23 2018 15: 18
      +3
      They don’t care, they strive for the light. The organizers only need this, and those who are so uncomplicated that they think that they will succeed and become the second France or Germany.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 15: 35
      +3
      Quote: polpot
      They want to go to Europe, no problem, the visa regime and other interesting nishtyaki

      and let the "refugees" be taken away
  4. Masya masya
    Masya masya April 23 2018 15: 08
    +6
    it won’t end in good, but Russia will be blamed as always ...
    1. Logall
      Logall April 23 2018 15: 20
      +8
      If the protesters get the upper hand and Armenia goes dill, then they will say that this revolution is "for freedom from the yoke of Russia." And if not, then pro-Russian forces imposed a dictate!
      Marina Vitalievna love !
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya April 23 2018 15: 24
        +1
        Alexander, hello there! love
        and it turns out that ... wherever you throw, everywhere a wedge ...
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 15: 36
        0
        Quote: Logall
        "for freedom from the yoke of Russia"

        and for the strong brotherly arms of Turkey wassat
        1. Russia
          Russia April 23 2018 16: 14
          +6
          hi Yes, the Turks need them as a dog’s fifth leg, the Armenian genocide between them and Europe uses it, the ball is good, the Caucasus will blaze so that our Azerbaijani and Armenian partners will not find it, the striped guy on this has eaten not a single five-legged dog.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 16: 18
            0
            Quote: Rusland
            Yes, the Turks need them like a dog’s fifth leg

            neither do we need anyone, NEED THE EARTH AND SUBSOIL, and slaves can also be brought from Africa and Asia
  5. Diver 73420
    Diver 73420 April 23 2018 15: 08
    +4
    But this is already very bad! When the army cracks - wait for a civil war!
  6. astepanov
    astepanov April 23 2018 15: 09
    +3
    Now wait for the aggravation in Nagorno-Karabakh, the movements on the Armenian-Turkish border and other nasty things. Has the experience of Ukraine really taught anyone and nothing?
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 April 23 2018 15: 12
      +2
      Quote: astepanov
      Has the experience of Ukraine really taught anyone and nothing?

      first of all ghouls from power ..... they did not care about the people-the Westerners took advantage of it ..... now everything by itself does not end
      1. _Sergei_
        _Sergei_ April 23 2018 16: 07
        +1
        "Ghouls from power" in Ukraine removed. Other ghouls came. Tiksi-3 wanted to jump?
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 April 23 2018 21: 20
          0
          Quote: _Sergey_
          Tiksi-3 wanted to jump?

          what I want - it should not concern you in any way; is there anything to say on the topic?
  7. Antidote
    Antidote April 23 2018 15: 09
    +6
    The tick does not want to give power just like that, like Tuleyev.
    I hope the people finish it.
    1. Diver 73420
      Diver 73420 April 23 2018 15: 12
      +2
      Or like Yanukovych?
    2. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh April 23 2018 15: 33
      0
      A nation can only crush a nation.
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 15: 38
      +5
      Quote: Antidote
      I hope the people finish it.

      firstly, the people never when anything does not "pressure"
      secondly, and then what? !!!
      Ukraine’s example has not yet taught anything, but here it’s even more fun, around the border there are only “friends” and “brothers”
    4. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ April 23 2018 16: 08
      0
      Antidote Pasha wanted to jump?
    5. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 23 2018 16: 24
      +5
      Quote: Antidote
      I hope people finish

      In Ukraine, the "people" finished off. laughing Lost Crimea and Donbass. In Armenia, Karabakh is still waiting in the wings. In general, the people in the squares are a herd and a bargaining chip for one or another political structure. Which are usually dishonest, and even more so, funded from abroad.
  8. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV April 23 2018 15: 12
    +10
    Quote: Antidote
    The tick does not want to give power just like that, like Tuleyev.
    I hope the people finish it.

    On the Maidan they finished it and what in the end?
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  10. Chichikov
    Chichikov April 23 2018 15: 14
    +11
    Who would doubt this connection ...The ZAR peacekeeping training center, which opened in Armenia on October 31, 2017, was created with the cooperation of the Armenian and American sides, which invested $ 3 million in the project.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 April 23 2018 15: 20
      +12
      3 green lemons for Armenia is a gift. The rebels are getting cheaper.
      1. Strashila
        Strashila April 23 2018 15: 42
        +4
        This is what came to Armenia ... through American lobbyists paid by Azerbaijan, only they paid for their own problems. What to take from Armenia, except for the problems and the territory bordering Azerbaijan ... and there is oil, so it needs Western democratic values.
  11. soldat-tv
    soldat-tv April 23 2018 15: 23
    +14
    Where are the pots? Without pans maidan is not considered.
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh April 23 2018 15: 32
      0
      They didn’t even wear helmets)))
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit April 23 2018 16: 19
        +1
        A flock of not scared idiots. Let Maidanyat, Karabakh is waiting in the wings. Or are they hoping for the Russian army?
  12. Antidote
    Antidote April 23 2018 15: 24
    +8
    That's all, resigned. Well done Armenians.
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh April 23 2018 15: 31
      +3
      He filed the wrong one. What are you glad for?
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 15: 39
      +2
      Quote: Antidote
      That's all, resigned. Well done Armenians.

      Oppositionists call for the creation of an interim parliamentary commission to study the country's exit from the EAEU
      why are you rejoicing ?!
    3. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ April 23 2018 16: 10
      0
      Antidote (Pavel) are you straight on Lavrov?
  13. dojjdik
    dojjdik April 23 2018 15: 26
    +2
    well, the rulers of Armenia themselves, headed by the president or the Jews, are waiting for them and they already have time to buy them, or maybe they can even call on Chinese tankers the sooner they start, the fewer coffins there will be
    1. hoopoe
      hoopoe April 23 2018 16: 24
      +1
      For the Chinese tankmen, the current leaders throughout the entire territory of the former USSR will not have enough will. This is not an option for puppets of the West with accounts and relatives outside the country of arrival.
  14. Lesorub
    Lesorub April 23 2018 15: 40
    +3
    Dozens of unarmed soldiers today took part in an action in Yerevan against the election of former President Serzh Sargsyan as prime minister

    Everything would be good !? ) Ukraine has already won) and officials and corruption and the economy))).
    God grant that the Armenians would not enter this channel.
  15. Opera
    Opera April 23 2018 15: 53
    +6
    Well, dozens of military personnel ... Also me, what news! Now, if there are thousands of servicemen with tens of thousands of citizens ... Then of course we can say not only that the people and the army are united, but - what kind of people such an army is! In the meantime, I’ll tell you this is complete garbage! If the authorities of Armenia have the guts to disperse all this maydanuyu intelligentsia with the close-knit entities, then everything will instantly fall into place! Only disperse as expected! So that Pashinyan in jail suddenly remembered his mother’s health, and the kunaks stink of human rights from London. Something like the Ukrainian-Armenians Chichvarkin! Someone here wrote that the people in Armenia were muzzled ... I want to say - can it really be ?! Now, if Sargsyan follows in the footsteps of Yanukovych, then you will see what is muzzled! And from all sides! Well, I want to say to the rejoicing Azerbaijanis - why are you happy ?! There will be no Armenia and there will be no Azerbaijan! You can of course dream about the Ottoman Empire ... Crystal castles beckon with their heavenly beauty, but usually usually die under their rubble! Here Poles also dreamed about Poland from mozh to mozh ... Now they work in the EU as plumbers! Well, some very advanced ones get knocked out on Russian TV for Russian money, but not everyone is so lucky! But Azerbaijanis, I don’t even know what they will do in that case ?! In Turkey and without them, there is fruit to whom - vegetables to sell. Yes, and from Russia, many will have to return to their historical homeland ... Very quickly! This, as they say, laughs well the one who laughs last!)
  16. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov April 23 2018 15: 54
    +4
    Among the protesters are heard shouting "Glory to the natsiyi!", "Heroes do not die!", "Turkey - save!"
  17. Altona
    Altona April 23 2018 15: 56
    +1
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    The Karabakh problem will not go anywhere. But the withdrawal of the Russian WB from Gyumri will only benefit Azerbaijan.

    -------------------------------
    Azerbaijan is already urgently driving a column of military equipment to Karabakh. Only for the complete democratization of the process.
  18. Operator
    Operator April 23 2018 15: 57
    +1
    Quote: Chertt
    Armenia in the EurAsEC and CSTO

    Baba with a cart.
    1. hoopoe
      hoopoe April 23 2018 16: 10
      +2
      And so the USSR profuched at the time. Ukraine is also a woman with a cart. Soon there will be NATO bases near Belgorod.
      The Kremlin now does not even express concern, says non-intervention:
      https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5addafe49a794760f7
      2c80fa
      Another "success" in the field of foreign policy in the former USSR.
  19. Guillon
    Guillon April 23 2018 16: 00
    +1
    Soon we will see donkey ears sticking out of the ocean !!! angry soldier
  20. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge April 23 2018 16: 03
    +1
    Another tseeuropa? Well disgrace. Yanyk number 2.
  21. darksoul
    darksoul April 23 2018 16: 09
    +1
    again the revolution ....... and so it feels like they all moved to the South to us ... more precisely, Armenia was transported, and the last couple of years the cars with their numbers are just dark, they’re running straight from someone ...... now our people don’t intervene and tomorrow they’ll go to help when the country is bent ..... .. because the neighbors are revolutionaries and free people and tomorrow they are poor refugees who are naked .... we have in the South, that’s how it is cool touch us
    1. Dr. Sorge
      Dr. Sorge April 23 2018 17: 15
      +1
      These are tasks of destabilization.
  22. Orionvit
    Orionvit April 23 2018 16: 16
    0
    only explain that "are one with their people"
    We know who they are one with. As on the Maidan, screams about Ukraine, and the State Department themselves looted "their" country.
    both internal and external forces (...) want to realize their vile programs
    And here is the whole point of the article (as well as the meaning of similar events in other countries), in one line. I don’t understand those “servicemen” at all, did you want to fight? Ukraine did not have a war, but after the Maidan it appeared, and as far as is known, in Armenia, the war is smoldering and waiting.
  23. hoopoe
    hoopoe April 23 2018 16: 21
    0
    Quote: darksoul
    that is how cool you touch us

    We are affected in such a way that we will have another Russophobic regime almost at hand ... As if Turkey is in NATO and the situation in Georgia is not enough ...
  24. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 16: 30
    +2
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    The comic nature of the situation lies in the fact that one and the other profess the so-called independence. And this is in the Customs Union. At the same time, the economy of Belarus is constantly balancing on the verge of technical default. And the "brothers" -Kazakhs are trying to create the notorious political "nezalEzhnost", bordering China and the Russian Federation. As a result, nationalism is flourishing with poor prospects.

    unfortunately this is not a comedy but a tragedy with elements of a horror movie
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 23 2018 16: 34
      0
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      unfortunately this is not a comedy but a tragedy

      Drama is ripe in Armenia with elements of farce "a la popular protest" ....
      As for the members of the CU, not one, and no other country alone will economically survive. Tragedies begin when stubborn radical nationalists come to power.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 16: 51
        0
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        As for the CU members, not one, and no other country alone will economically survive.

        smart people understand this, but in power they’re usually “beautiful”
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 23 2018 16: 52
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          but the authorities are usually "beautiful"

          So what to do? fellow
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 16: 55
            +1
            purchase, salt, matches, soap (better household) and kerosene
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker April 23 2018 17: 00
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              purchase, salt, matches, soap (better household) and kerosene

              My house in the village has been restored. There is a stove.
              Girls with soap and matches - find .... lol
  25. prapor75m
    prapor75m April 23 2018 16: 39
    +1
    Quote: Oper
    Yes, and from Russia, many will have to return to their historical homeland ... Very quickly! This, as they say, laughs well the one who laughs last!)

    If everything would be as you describe, I'm for laughing then still the Uzbek, Tajik Maidan needs everyone to rush home without return wink
  26. kuznec
    kuznec April 23 2018 16: 41
    +1
    The Amer Embassy in Armenia is the second largest in the world. Our midfielders dopped along, ... ali. What else had to wait! Look where there are more SGAs, and there wait for trouble! And let Peskov be calm further, with his boss. Many who, including the state. they told the channels and radio that it was about to blaze in Armenia. So they waited
    1. hoopoe
      hoopoe April 23 2018 16: 50
      +2
      Look in which company
      http://ru.hellomagazine.com/zvezdy/novosti-o-zvez
      dakh / 24033-dmitriy-peskov-s-docheryu-mikhalkovy-k
      irkorov-i-drugie-zvezdy-s-detmi-na-premere-shou-t
      atyany-navki-ruslan-i-lyudmila.html
      Peskov sometimes spends his time, and then answer his own question, "Why is 123 Armenia to him?"
  27. alex3075
    alex3075 April 23 2018 17: 11
    +2
    Sochi Armenians did not leave for the Maidan? Maybe they left? Who knows?
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    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 18: 33
      0
      Quote: UMA-UMA
      Another proser Russia

      check the box
  30. flicker
    flicker April 23 2018 18: 04
    0
    Division of Armenians: why are we worse than Ukrainians!
    So soon they will forget about Ukraine.
  31. Asian
    Asian April 23 2018 18: 05
    0
    Quote: Antidote
    The tick does not want to give power just like that, like Tuleyev.
    I hope the people finish it.

    Give power to whom? To the Americans? Want war for Russia?
  32. Olezhek
    Olezhek April 23 2018 18: 21
    0
    In general, if the army really got there ...
    mda ... along the way the state of Armenia has problems ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 23 2018 18: 35
      +1
      Quote: Olezhek
      along the way, the state of Armenia has problems ...

      along the way, this is our problem, the Armenian comrades will fall into refugees as always, if that, well, or they’ll be in grief like during the Spitak earthquake, their peasants grieve and, Russian boys from the army rake up the rubble
  33. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General April 23 2018 19: 30
    +2
    Oh, and boobies ... The story of the Maidan in the ruin does not teach anything? The new pro-Western government will wipe away “Dozens of military men without weapons” and send them to the war in Karabakh.
    1. NordOst16
      NordOst16 April 23 2018 22: 25
      0
      Our base there seems to be, if that the troops are introduced and organize an suppression of the uprising, as in Czechoslovakia, but I would not want this
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General April 23 2018 23: 55
        +2
        That without "like" is a contingent of Russian troops in Armenia. That's just the suppression of protests is not necessary, and for nothing, the "Western partners" will raise a stench such that it nips on the floor of the planet.
  34. Z_G_R
    Z_G_R April 23 2018 19: 48
    0
    bad of course, well, let's see how our geopolitics will resolve the situation.
  35. kefan
    kefan April 23 2018 20: 42
    0
    Campaign Maidan in Armenian execution is drawn.
  36. NordOst16
    NordOst16 April 23 2018 22: 23
    0
    Dart2027,
    Well, so it is necessary to direct this struggle in a safe direction)))
    If the river has spilled, then it’s not worth blaming the river, and those who allowed this did not build new canals, did not clear the channels, and so on. You can’t get rid of this, you need to learn how to live with it)))
  37. unignm
    unignm April 23 2018 23: 17
    0
    I xs but all the familiar Armenians rejoice that they threw off the Serge.
  38. NordOst16
    NordOst16 April 24 2018 10: 25
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    who told you?!!!!!!!!!

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    so where did you get that ?!

    But tell me an example of a strong, wealthy state, whose people one fine morning got the wrong foot, went to the square and rebelled against the previous government?

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    So what? mistakes can be made both strong and weak

    I do not argue, but how does your statement relate to the essence of our dialogue?
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 10: 47
      0
      Quote: NordOst16
      But tell me an example of a strong, wealthy state, whose people one fine morning got the wrong foot, went to the square and rebelled against the previous government?

      the question itself is extremely illiterate, the PEOPLE itself has never overthrown anyone in history, the masses have used it, but the people have never been a subject
      Quote: NordOst16
      I do not argue, but how does your statement relate to the essence of our dialogue?

      you claim that the revolution is a consequence of mistakes, which is indisputable, but a strong mistake can also be made, and this mistake can be used
  39. NordOst16
    NordOst16 April 24 2018 10: 46
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    apparently the story at school you skipped

    Hmm, then enlighten me.
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    yes, but it’s firewood and not the brain

    flint alone is not enough for a fire

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    so they are busy - THEY LEARN, another question is that the students themselves are a crowd, with all the

    One does not interfere with the other, as they say, "students live happily from session to session" and they have more than enough time. Or have you never been a student?)))

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    who, students?
    Quote: NordOst16
    for half a year - a year construction or other work in the most remote corners of the vast.
    and how do you drive modern future managers there? !!!!
    you first start yelling about violence

    Well, firstly, not the "first", but the "first", and secondly, you tore my proposal into two parts (although it is probably my fault because I built it crookedly). I offer for a decent payment to send them to construction sites and other useful things in the most pristine parts of the vast.
    And about the "managers" - who is easier to get and where they pay better, learn from that.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 11: 00
      0
      Quote: NordOst16
      flint alone is not enough for a fire

      there are always dissatisfied, at all times, the main thing is to choose a theme, nationalism, class dislike, at worst beat all the cyclists
      Quote: NordOst16
      One does not interfere with the other, as they say, "students live happily from session to session" and they have more than enough time.

      iiii what does it mean enough for what? to work at a construction site in the taiga ?!
      did not try to think? !!!!
      Quote: NordOst16
      not the first, but the first

      a man with an anime avatar of a woman is not that laughing
      Quote: NordOst16
      I offer for a decent payment to send them to construction sites and other useful things in the most pristine parts of the vast.

      Apparently, you not only don’t know history, but also the economy, you can send them somewhere only to unskilled jobs, and this does not mean high pay, and if you aren’t aware of the fact that student systems still exist in the summer, students from Ukhta worked in our country in the Kaliningrad region.
      so if someone wants it to work, and if not, and you drive it, this will be just a reason for discontent and rebellion
      learn mate part hi
      Quote: NordOst16
      And about the "managers" - who is easier to get and where they pay better, learn from that.

      what naivety, how old are you?
  40. NordOst16
    NordOst16 April 24 2018 10: 59
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    the question itself is extremely illiterate, the PEOPLE itself has never overthrown anyone in history, the masses have used it, but the people have never been a subject

    Undoubtedly, but we are leaving the topic. Okay, I rephrase, give an example of a government of a strong, successful state that could not prevent a provocation and allowed a change of power.

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    you claim that the revolution is a consequence of mistakes, which is indisputable, but a strong mistake can also be made, and this mistake can be used

    A mistake - yes, but one mistake will never lead to a change of power, only a series of failures in foreign and domestic, social and economic policies can weaken the government by as much as when it is not able to withstand destructive processes.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 11: 13
      0
      Quote: NordOst16
      Undoubtedly, but we are leaving the topic.

      but just don’t leave, the postulate above is that a dissatisfied people in a bad state will sweep away the government, and if the people are not a subject of revolution, then the postulate is wrong
      Quote: NordOst16
      governments of a strong, successful state

      again a mistake, there is no absolutely successful state in nature ALWAYS there are pain points
      France 68, events in Alma-Ata 86, Negro riots in the United States regularly.
      once again there is no ideal state, IN ANY of the existing states, if you wish and financial capabilities, you can blast one or another social group
      Quote: NordOst16
      A mistake - yes, but one mistake will never lead to a change of power

      yeahhhhhh !!! !!!
      REVOLUTIONS 17 years in RI
      Quote: NordOst16
      only a series of failures in foreign and domestic, social and economic policies can weaken the government by as much as when it is not able to withstand destructive processes.

      Have you ever taught history? !!!!!!!!!!!!
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  42. NordOst16
    NordOst16 April 24 2018 11: 45
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    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    but we’re just not leaving, the postulate above is that a disgruntled people in a bad state will sweep away the government, and if the people are not a subject of revolution, then the postulate is wrong

    Most likely, I didn’t put it right, I meant that when a large part of the population does not have sufficient reasons to dramatically change their situation (possible economic losses, etc.), then such a population is not easy to raise. If the government is fully supported by the power structures and these structures have sufficient funding, then the security forces at an early stage can prevent provocations or minimize their effect.

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    again a mistake, there is no absolutely successful state in nature ALWAYS there are pain points
    France 68, events in Alma-Ata 86, Negro riots in the United States regularly.
    once again there is no ideal state, IN ANY of the existing states, if you wish and financial capabilities, you can blast one or another social group

    I cannot disagree with you that there are no ideal states. But I think there is a difference in the necessary means and a possible answer when trying to "rock" the situation, for example, in Nigeria or in China. The weakening of the leverage of the government on the power structure (or the degradation of these structures) and the growing number of discontent among the people, in the structures of the government itself, sharply improve the prospects for a coup. Or am I wrong about something here?

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    yeahhhhhh !!! !!!
    REVOLUTIONS 17 years in RI

    There was a whole bunch of reasons:
    1) The agrarian question continued to remain acute and unresolved: there was landlord tenure, land shortage and landlessness of a significant part of the peasants.
    2) The deterioration of the life of the people as a result of economic devastation caused by the First World War, which exacerbated all the contradictions in the Russian Empire.
    3) Difficult living and working conditions of workers, lack of labor legislation.
    4) The contradictions between the needs of the socio-economic development of Russia and the very outdated socio-political system (autocracy).
    continued heavy national oppression, cruel exploitation of the population of national suburbs.
    5) Limited political rights and freedoms of citizens.
    6) Dissatisfaction with the existing regime of various segments of the population (workers, peasants, part of the bourgeoisie and the nobility, intelligentsia).

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Have you ever taught history? !!!!!!!!!!!!

    Well, give an example of a state in which there was a revolution, but at the same time it was relatively successful, the option with the Russian Empire is not very suitable.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 12: 20
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      Quote: NordOst16
      But I think there is a difference in the necessary means and a possible answer when trying to "rock" the situation, for example, in Nigeria or in China.

      about China smiled, it’s just that people in power are not afraid of blood, and there are reasons for discontent many orders of magnitude higher than in the USSR in Ukraine and Armenia
      1. NordOst16
        NordOst16 April 24 2018 13: 25
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        Well, I don’t know about how much worse it is in China to live than in a collapsed Union, but so far the authorities are securing a place on the throne.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 13: 45
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          Quote: NordOst16
          Well, I don’t know about how much worse it is to live in China than in a collapsed Union

          when you know then write
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 12: 30
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      Quote: NordOst16
      option with the Russian Empire is not very suitable.

      fits enough, one error brought the system into an unstable state
      in addition, you again confuse the terminology, there were not so many revolutions in the world, we are not talking about revolutions but about the change of power by force, an example of France 68
      1. NordOst16
        NordOst16 April 24 2018 13: 26
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        And what was the only mistake?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 13: 45
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          participation in the war, which the Republic of Ingushetia didn’t have any sides with, and we had no contradictions with Germany
  43. NordOst16
    NordOst16 April 24 2018 12: 03
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    there are always dissatisfied, at all times, the main thing is to choose a theme, nationalism, class dislike, at worst beat all the cyclists

    But for now, the power structures of the state are capable of compensating for this and will not suppress the coup. And also, until these problems become so sick that the possible benefits of a change of power will not outweigh the expected losses.

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    iiii what does it mean enough for what? to work at a construction site in the taiga ?!
    did not try to think? !!!!

    It is enough for many to agree to such a trip. But I immediately wrote that these are my thoughts from the category of "build a bridge" from Mr. Manilov and may be wrong)))

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    a man with an anime avatar of a woman is not that laughing

    Well, judging by ava in our century, hmm, okay. Believe me - this is not the worst that you can see, and yes, the picture is not a woman lol , but I think it’s worth leaving the conscience of Japanese animators, the East is a delicate and incomprehensible thing laughing

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Apparently, you not only don’t know history, but also the economy, you can send them somewhere only to unskilled jobs, and this does not mean high pay, and if you aren’t aware of the fact that student systems still exist in the summer, students from Ukhta worked in our country in the Kaliningrad region.
    so if someone wants it to work, and if not, and you drive it, this will be just a reason for discontent and rebellion
    learn mate part hi
    Well, I answered above, I think so. A friend from VolSTU went to the East.

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    what naivety, how old are you?

    Enough to find out that after undergraduate and graduate studies in the notorious VMA Multidisciplinary Clinic, the salary will be 12k wooden))) And jokes about the requirement of extensive experience from a university graduate have a fraction of a joke.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 12: 32
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      Quote: NordOst16
      But for now, the power structures of the state are capable of compensating for this and will not suppress the coup.

      not law enforcement agencies, but the leadership ready to give such an order; law enforcement agencies in 91 were ready, but the leadership was not ready
      Quote: NordOst16
      then after undergraduate and graduate studies in the notorious VMA Multidisciplinary Clinic, the salary will be 12k wooden)))

      that is, nothing
      1. NordOst16
        NordOst16 April 24 2018 13: 34
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        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        not law enforcement agencies, but the leadership ready to give such an order; law enforcement agencies in 91 were ready, but the leadership was not ready

        Just before this, a struggle began within the government, which weakened the government, which allowed the government to be removed

        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        that is, nothing

        maybe you are more informed
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 13: 47
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          Quote: NordOst16
          Just before this, a struggle began within the government, which weakened power,

          the power was not weakened, there was a leader who, in principle, was not able to lead, he could give the order to arrest the drunk and Co., but he didn’t do it by the way, “Belovezhskaya residents” were really afraid of this
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 April 24 2018 15: 00
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            In addition to the general secretary, there should have existed other posts that were obliged to preserve the succession of power, but they were not there or they were incapable. Further, the unwillingness or inability of the leaders of the State Emergency Committee to order the start of radical action. A number of errors led to the collapse of the USSR.
            Well, okay, something I'm tired of arguing on the topic. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I agree with your opinion in the future, but not now)))
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 18: 20
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              Quote: NordOst16
              In addition to the general secretary, there should have existed other posts that were obliged to preserve the succession of power

              for the sake of all saints, think when you write, what organs, what continuity was a coup d'etat
  44. sergej30003
    sergej30003 April 24 2018 13: 28
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    the process has begun! slogans, "corruption, poverty, unemployment", this is a phenomenon in any country, even choke, the following slogans a little later "moskalyaku on a galyak, Russia is to blame for everything!" then hunting for the elite, cleaning Russophiles, loans and credits to the Moscow Military District, leaving the common economic space, aspiration to join NATO, bases in the territory instead of Russians, against Iran, resumption of hostilities in Karabakh, conflicts with Turkey are possible, further collapse of the economy, which leads to to even greater poverty, emigration and the strengthening of nationalist groups capable of further suppressing the discontent of the people, or of anything new, our Foreign Ministry has profiled one more of our strategic partners
  45. NordOst16
    NordOst16 April 24 2018 14: 56
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    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    participation in the war, which the Republic of Ingushetia didn’t have any sides with, and we had no contradictions with Germany

    This was not the first mistake. The First World War was preceded by a defeat in the Russo-Japanese war. Also, the Republic of Ingushetia considered the Balkan Orthodox peoples to be its zones of influence, in turn, these peoples fought for separation from Austria-Hungary, there could be an interesting conflict. But even the entry of RI into the war, hott was a major mistake, but not the only one.
    Power structures could not suppress the protesters. Further errors were made by the interim government. A series of mistakes led to the October Revolution.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 24 2018 15: 47
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      Quote: NordOst16
      This was not the first mistake. The First World War was preceded by a defeat in the Russo-Japanese war.

      and?
      to 14 in this regard, the situation settled down, it was necessary to change a lot, but revolutionary intervention was not required
      Power structures could not suppress the protesters. Further errors were made by the interim government. A series of mistakes led to the October Revolution.
      the mistake was all the rest of the investigation, it’s like running from the mountain if you ran it’s impossible to stop
  46. Bakht
    Bakht April 24 2018 15: 19
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    Vasilenko Vladimir,
    I do not see a contradiction. Not so strong as to dictate your will. But we do not allow to indicate. We solve our problems based on the general situation in the world. I do not see any contradiction.
  47. vladimirasha
    vladimirasha April 24 2018 17: 19
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    It is correct GEORGE to catch all sold and judge. Otherwise, it will be like in Ukraine.