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Moscow is delivering a critical blow to the capabilities of the US Air Force: what will research of surviving missiles reveal?

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We are all well aware of the fact that the main goal of an attempt to deliver a massive missile and missile-air strike of the United Navy and Air Force of the Western coalition to the strategically important facilities of the Syrian Arab Army, which took place early in the morning of April 14, was not to destroy non-existent institutions and enterprises to develop and large-scale production of gaseous chlorine and sarin (what the West unreasonably blamed Damascus a couple of weeks ago). It was a banal test of the defense system of the Syrian “umbrella” of the missile defense system, which is a kind of “miniature” of the Russian military air defense (SV air defense) due to the presence in the armament of the Buk-M2E medium-range anti-aircraft missile systems, as well as short-range anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems. Armor-С1 ".

At the same time baptism of fire in the face of opposition from promising air defense systems from Russian developers of the Research Institute "Instrument Engineering named after V.V. Tikhomirov and the Instrument Design Bureau, JSC tried to pass the most modern French and British tactical long-range missiles SCALP-EG, SCAL Naval, Storm Shadow, and also the state AGM-158B JASSM-ER, the total percentage of which was 37%, while TLAM-C / D and UGM / RGM-109E modifications accounted for 63% for Tomahawks. Anyway, all parties without exception received their dividends from this blow. Thus, the administration of the current US President Donald Trump was able, at least temporarily, to tighten the previously lost rating both among the “hawks” from her republican electorate and among the “hawks” from the democratic camp of opponents. In fact, the administration kept its promise - the strike attempt was implemented. By the US and Western European media, this attempt was presented as a successful military action, while in reality everything was radically the opposite.

The Buk-M2E, Pantsir-S1, C-125 Pechora-2M Cube, As well as Osa-AKM and Strela-10 intercepted air defense missile systems of the Syrian Arab Republic, which are in service with the air defense forces of the Syrian Arab Republic. 68% (71 from 105) of tactical and strategic cruise missiles of the OMVS and OVVS of the coalition, which was confirmed both by the Chief of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Rudskiy, and by numerous eyewitnesses living in the vicinity of Damascus, Shairata, Dumeira, Duvali and Blea who watched dozens in splashes of exploding anti-aircraft missiles in the sky, and then fragments of air attack weapons on the surface. Among these debris were fragments of the corps of the destroyed long-range tactical missiles SCALP-EG and SCALP Naval, developed by the French division of the MBDA France corporation, which is also captured in photographs of local residents and military personnel. Such a brilliant result further increased the attractiveness of Russian defense enterprises in the eyes of customers such as Serbia, Greece, Egypt, Iran, India, and, naturally, brought the image of the Russian Federation in the arms market to a whole new level.

An event of strategic importance can be considered the delivery to the Russian Federation of surviving strategic Tomahawk cruise missiles of the latest RGM-109E “Tomahawk Block IV” modification, and possibly the unobtrusive AGM-158A / B JASSM-ER tactical cruise missiles. Apparently, we are talking about products, the body and on-board radio-electronic equipment of which were minimally damaged in the process of interception by anti-aircraft guided missiles 9М330М of Osa-AKM and 9М333 complexes of Strela-10М3. The combat units of the latter weigh the entire 5 and 15 kg, respectively, therefore, mainly aerodynamic planes, including the wing and tail aerodynamic rudders, were damaged. The preservation of missiles can be associated with the failure of the onboard systems of missiles. The question arises: where can surviving copies of American cruise missiles go first?

Obviously, this is the Central Research Institute of Aerospace Defense Forces (Central Research Institute VVKO), located in the Tver region, in which full-size mock-ups, as well as real prototypes (as in our present case) of Western European and American means of air attack, are being tested for such parameters like:

- effective scattering surface / effective reflecting surface (EPR or EOC) in the meter, decimeter, centimeter and millimeter wavelengths, both against the background of airspace and against the underlying surface, taking into account natural passive interference due to reflections from terrain objects;
- laser-location parameters of targets, determined by the albedo (reflectivity) of laser radiation in the visible optical range;
- spectral characteristics of the reflecting surface in the optical range, allowing, for example, to accurately determine the range of direction finding of an aircraft using the 10EC1-E optical-electronic module, which is part of the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile and artillery system.


Despite the fact that at the disposal of the specialists of the Central Research Institute VVKO, the JASSM / JASSM-ER rocket model has been in place for several years, it was impossible to accurately determine its ESR (which ranges from 0,01 to 0,1 sq. M) due to the lack of information on the radio absorbing materials and coatings. Now, after conducting a physicochemical analysis of the materials of the American Raytheon missile corps, they will be able to clearly recreate their prototypes that are identical in radar signature. The infrared signature will also be known, which experts will be able to determine thanks to a detailed study of the nozzle geometry, as well as the composition of fuel residues for the Teledyne CAE J402 turbofans, from which the energy and thermodynamic properties of the combustion products will be calculated. The next stage of testing state-owned rockets or full-size mock-ups can be passing measurements in an anechoic chamber to build even more accurate EPR diagrams that cannot be affected by any third-party radiation source with a frequency range up to 40 GHz. Tests on this end.

Their most important stage will be the study of the algorithms of the on-board radio-electronic equipment of JASSM-ER missiles, in particular, the inertial navigation system, as well as the transmitting module of the stability of the trajectory and confirmation of the BIA target (Bomb Impact Assestment) using a head infrared sensor. The JASSM-ER flight trajectory loaded on the ANN will provide our specialists with comprehensive information on the tactics of the US Air Force strikes taking into account the terrain, and will also allow you to find out which positional areas of Syria’s air defense were not detected in advance by RC-135W “Rivet Joint” airborne reconnaissance aircraft.

Also of great interest are methods of encrypting data packets sent by the powerful BNA 25-watt transmitter aboard the Rivet Joint. The moment of the inclusion of this module on the march section of the trajectory is also important, which will help calculate the location of the AGM-158A / B rocket long before it can be detected using the A-50U aircraft. The range of operation of an infrared sensor located in an optical-transparent window on the bottom surface of the JASSM-ER fairing can also be determined. Due to this, it will be possible to develop efficient infrared traps with satisfying spectral characteristics. Similar studies will be conducted on the newest version of Tomahawk RGM-109E.

Conclusion: with 100% certainty, we can say that after studying the Central Research Institute of Higher Military Command and other defense institutions of the Russian Federation, the process of detecting, tracking and intercepting the above types of cruise missiles using aviation Air defense, ground anti-aircraft missile systems of the Aerospace Forces of Russia, as well as military air defense will be carried out more quickly and at times more efficiently. Raytheon will need hundreds of millions of dollars and several years of work to regain the lost level of technology secrecy on the JASSM / -ER and Tomahawk Block IV projects. All this is true for the French SCALP-EG / Naval missiles, adjusted only for a different guidance system architecture.Read more...

Information sources:
http://www.mk.ru/politics/2018/04/19/umnye-rakety-trampa-dostavili-v-rossiyu-voennye-sekrety-ssha-raskryty.html
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/agm158/agm158.shtml
https://cont.ws/@su-47/910970
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee April 23 2018 05: 17
    +23
    more quickly and significantly more efficiently
    Even in the raid you can find the positive side!
    Let our bespectacled players dig deeper into these rackets .... good
    1. Chertt
      Chertt April 23 2018 06: 01
      +39
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Even in the raid you can find the positive side!

      In all Western media, the unequivocal opinion is that all or almost all of the missiles hit the target. There is no talk of shot down or missed missiles. And this is said by authoritative (Western) military and politicians. Russia needs to start showing evidence. And then we look in the west, since May and Johnson look in Russia. those. balabolami
      1. _Sergei_
        _Sergei_ April 23 2018 06: 16
        +41
        Russia needs to start showing evidence.

        This will not help. They want to believe that the missiles have all flown, nothing can convince them otherwise.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt April 23 2018 06: 27
          +19
          Quote: _Sergey_
          This will not help. They want to believe that all missiles have flown, nothing will convince them otherwise

          If we show evidence, then many in Russia (and myself) will be calmer that our Military and Diplomats are not Western talkers, and you can trust their words
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 23 2018 06: 38
            +37
            Quote: Chertt
            many in Russia (and myself) will be calmer

            You confuse diplomacy and politics (purely non-public things at its core) with Soloviev’s talk show. IMHO in vain.
            And will you be calmer or not - this is, in fact, not even the ninth priority in the activities of the Defense Ministry and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. For your peace of mind there is the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and this is quite enough.
            Somehow request
            1. Chertt
              Chertt April 23 2018 06: 50
              +7
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              You confuse diplomacy and politics (purely non-public things at the core) with Soloviev’s talk show.

              About that and talk. If with the military and politicians in the west, everything is less or less clear, then from the Russian military I would like a responsible attitude to the statements
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 23 2018 07: 19
                +21
                I probably did not quite express myself clearly. Once again, by division:
                The last thing that the Foreign Ministry and the Ministry of Defense think about is the plebs reaction to their actions and statements.
                To stop this reaction (if any) there is a Ministry of Internal Affairs, the press, etc.
                "I want to know everything" is a childhood illness. Which, however, does not always and not at all pass in a timely manner.
                All yes
                1. Chertt
                  Chertt April 23 2018 07: 33
                  +10
                  Well, let me try to explain to you.
                  Why do "multi-star" generals appear on TV with unsubstantiated statements, What would a dummy say to a maximum audience?

                  They do not have your unrealized complex that would try to attract attention at any cost.
                  There is a desire to understand the logic.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 23 2018 07: 56
                    +13
                    Quote: Chertt
                    Why do "multi-star" generals appear on TV with unsubstantiated statements

                    I have no idea. Perhaps this is a puncture (s), the one who does nothing is not mistaken. And maybe - part of some kind of incomprehensible game to me.
                    You see ... I treat all this as a kind of "black box", because in another way - nothing: the state will never be completely open to, um, Citizens.
                    And that is normal.
                    Quote: Chertt
                    your complex unrealized

                    Have fun really good
                    Okay ... I’ll probably go to work ... to self-actualize. And then there again that thread will fall (also, by the way - that is still a black box ... like any other large system, however), and they will begin to search for me with dogs.
                    And you continue, ahem ... to shine, I will drive to a computer - I read with interest yes
                    1. Cube123
                      Cube123 April 23 2018 09: 35
                      +15
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Quote: Chertt
                      Why do "multi-star" generals appear on TV with unsubstantiated statements

                      I have no idea. Perhaps this is a puncture (s), the one who does nothing is not mistaken. And maybe - part of some kind of incomprehensible game to me.
                      You see ... I treat all this as a kind of "black box", because in another way - nothing: the state will never be completely open to, um, Citizens.
                      And that is normal.

                      The problem is not openness to the Citizens. Today, such openness is openness to the enemy. Any publicly voiced information settles in other people's databases. And it’s impossible to deal with it. Therefore, it is necessary to filter information even for internal use.

                      And as regards the speeches of the generals - why should they confirm their statements? They are not in court and are not required to prove anything publicly. For evidence, there are completely different structures. The main thing is that they do not lie to the authorities of the country. And public speaking has completely different tasks.
                      1. Mestny
                        Mestny April 25 2018 10: 19
                        -2
                        I totally agree.
                        The question for an ordinary citizen is actually a simple one - to whom does he believe more. To your own or a stranger.
                        And "the whole truth" should not be told by either side. Which is happening.
                  2. Sirocco
                    Sirocco April 23 2018 14: 55
                    +13
                    Quote: Chertt
                    Well, let me try to explain to you.

                    Now I will try to explain to you on the fingers.
                    Remember how Powers was shot down on May 1? And for how long our people were silent, they were waiting for the moment when “Peacock” would open its tail and sing a song, “Peacock” was also waiting for messages from our media, because “Peacocks” were sure that Powers had died or committed suicide. But no, he turned out to be alive, and ruined the whole song. So sometimes SILENCE is GOLD.
                2. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek April 23 2018 20: 31
                  +2
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  "I want to know everything" is a childhood illness. Which, however, does not always and not at all pass in a timely manner.

                  the cost of overeating "democracy" !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing
                3. gsev
                  gsev April 24 2018 21: 44
                  +1
                  You think incorrectly about the leadership of Russia. A few years before the Ukrainian Maidan, the Russian government decided to ban the communist ideology, as they did in Ukraine a few years later. But first, they conducted a study of the public opinion of Russians on the possibility of these actions. This sociological study can be considered a reference for the applied mathematical apparatus, the organization of sociological sampling and other subtleties of sociology, mathematics and programming. They came to the conclusion that since the beginning of perestroika, the attitude to the ideas of communism has not changed in any population groups that are different in age, well-being, social status, and education. And unlike the Ukrainian authorities, they decided not to go against the people. The result Poroshenko expressed a desire to remove even Savchenko, and Putin’s opponents in Russia were supported by a couple of percent of the population. The common people are not stupid, every day since 1991 he successfully solves the difficult task of his survival and corrects the mistakes of his rulers with his labor and wisely.
              2. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter April 23 2018 07: 25
                +24
                The enemy should be kept in the dark for as long as possible ... If strong - show that you are weak, if weak - show that you are strong (Sun Ji). Why should our people show and prove something? Those who need it know. Both there and here. wassat proof of the effectiveness of our systems is the turn of customers ... laughing
            2. freddyk
              freddyk April 23 2018 10: 02
              +3
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Quote: Chertt
              many in Russia (and myself) will be calmer

              You confuse diplomacy and politics (purely non-public things at its core) with Soloviev’s talk show. IMHO in vain.
              And will you be calmer or not - this is, in fact, not even the ninth priority in the activities of the Defense Ministry and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. For your peace of mind there is the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and this is quite enough.
              Somehow request


              If this were so, then the MO would not broadcast every day in the form of reports on TV. IMHO, you are wrong, the public opinion is very important to the Kremlin and they try to influence it in every possible way. Another thing is that they are getting worse and worse, so the evidence would not hurt. Moreover, we ourselves always demand them.
              1. anykin
                anykin April 23 2018 11: 27
                +4
                You about MO and you about the Kremlin.
                1. freddyk
                  freddyk April 23 2018 14: 55
                  +1
                  Does the MO in itself exist? His direct work is protecting the interests of the Kremlin

                  Quote: anykin
                  You about MO and you about the Kremlin.
                  1. Mestny
                    Mestny April 25 2018 10: 22
                    -1
                    Its direct task is to complete military tasks in its entirety.
                    "Protecting the interests of the Kremlin" is for the slogan of "protest." on the square.
          2. Axon
            Axon April 23 2018 08: 44
            +4
            not as many as you would like
          3. 97110
            97110 April 23 2018 11: 45
            +5
            Quote: Chertt
            If we show evidence,

            what prevents them from declaring this evidence null and void? Something arrogant Saxons will not heat up? With their experience and moral character?
            1. jjj
              jjj April 23 2018 12: 13
              +6
              And why should Russia prove something to someone. Who needs to know everything
              1. 97110
                97110 April 23 2018 14: 16
                +1
                Quote: jjj
                And why should Russia prove something to someone

                And talk?
                1. Rey_ka
                  Rey_ka April 27 2018 09: 47
                  0
                  What for? All progressive mankind, headed by the editorial board of Echo of Moscow, knows that there are no missiles in Moscow. Putin gives a piece of pipe with the insides of an old TV (trolling) as a rocket
          4. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell April 23 2018 17: 06
            +5
            Quote: Chertt
            If we show evidence, then many

            It is necessary to demonstrate with wide coverage by the mass media: to invigorate your own and add strenuousness to others. Let the taxpayers ask them why they lie insolently.
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek April 23 2018 20: 51
              +2
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              Let the taxpayers ask them why they lie insolently.

              recourse the opinion of the lackeys does not interest anyone !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell April 24 2018 00: 21
                +3
                Quote: Nikolai Grek
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                Let the taxpayers ask them why they lie insolently.

                recourse the opinion of the lackeys does not interest anyone !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing

                Nicholas hi, I agree, the opinion of gallops is yes: nobody is interested. But “pack and present” the opinion of taxpayers correctly, there’s no work for Senora Zakharova and Co.
          5. Svarog
            Svarog April 25 2018 18: 43
            +3
            "Moscow delivers a critical blow to the capabilities of the US Air Force:"

            What a loud headline. Even funny wassat
          6. Serge Gorely
            Serge Gorely April 27 2018 12: 55
            0
            Quote: Chertt
            Quote: _Sergey_
            This will not help. They want to believe that all missiles have flown, nothing will convince them otherwise

            If we show evidence, then many in Russia (and myself) will be calmer that our Military and Diplomats are not Western talkers, and you can trust their words

            The main thing for us is not the faith of the western cattle electorate (Hollywood has already explained everything to them), the main thing is that the heads of intelligence of the countries that are potential buyers believe it.
        2. Semen1972
          Semen1972 April 23 2018 11: 36
          +1
          Quote: _Sergey_
          This will not help. They want to believe that the missiles have all flown, nothing can convince them otherwise.

          And how do we continue to live with this ??????
          1. Cube123
            Cube123 April 23 2018 12: 10
            +5
            Quote: Semen1972
            Quote: _Sergey_
            This will not help. They want to believe that the missiles have all flown, nothing can convince them otherwise.

            And how do we continue to live with this ??????

            You need to live calmly. It is necessary to get rid of the slave psychology according to which you always need to prove something to the white master wassat and fawn in front of him. The free man calmly expressed his opinion, and he did not care about the opinion of mongrels.
            1. Semen1972
              Semen1972 April 24 2018 10: 38
              +2
              Quote: Cube123
              Quote: Semen1972
              Quote: _Sergey_
              This will not help. They want to believe that the missiles have all flown, nothing can convince them otherwise.

              And how do we continue to live with this ??????

              You need to live calmly. It is necessary to get rid of the slave psychology according to which you always need to prove something to the white master wassat and fawn in front of him. The free man calmly expressed his opinion, and he did not care about the opinion of mongrels.

              There is no freedom! Liberalism and democracy are fake. Free man is a myth. I suggest one thing, surrender to our ruler, let him decide our fate. He is the chosen, the one and only. I believe only him. He is our master. And there is nothing wrong with that !!!!
              1. Mestny
                Mestny April 25 2018 10: 26
                -1
                Could it be so ironic enough here?
          2. Rey_ka
            Rey_ka April 27 2018 09: 48
            0
            Well then, you need to do something with this, and then 8,5 tons of explosives flew into the chemical center and there’s not even a foundation pit
        3. Cananecat
          Cananecat April 23 2018 11: 57
          +4
          Something a joke was recalled ...
          Amer is talking with Russian ...
          A. We have publicity and democracy, I can go to the database, shout that Trump ... (gay) and I won’t have anything ...
          R. Well, so I can also go to the CP and shout that Trump .... and neither will I ....
          Is it really important for the generals in NATO to know exactly which missiles the Syrian air defense managed to land ... let them smash their heads what exactly we got.
          The military-industrial complex of America lives from these launches, they sleep and see how they could even ask Congress to raise money for modernization ... and here we are with their missiles ... if we wanted to, they would have said and shown their toys in our Defense Ministry, but they are silent they are there for a reason.
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek April 23 2018 20: 53
            +3
            Quote: Canecat
            as if to beg more money from Congress for modernization ...

            recourse recourse recourse not for modernization, but for corruption !!! wink laughing laughing laughing
        4. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk April 23 2018 21: 04
          +2
          Quote: _Sergey_
          Russia needs to start showing evidence.

          This will not help. They want to believe that the missiles have all flown, nothing can convince them otherwise.

          And for what, one asks to prove? It’s enough that we learn something that was either not at all clear or was in doubt. After all, on the basis of this information, are we not going to punish France with bombing? Let them now worry about improving the self-destruction system.
      2. Fitter65
        Fitter65 April 23 2018 07: 31
        +6
        Quote: Chertt
        In all Western media, the unequivocal opinion is that all or almost all of the missiles hit the target.

        If before, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, in addition to missile launches, there were also pictures with hit targets, then this time there is nothing about the hit targets. And I’ve heard about the number of missiles from Western sources, but all the missiles have just hit everything. But there are pictures and videos of the debris of these missiles. If you really need, then you can search the network ...
        1. Totah155
          Totah155 April 23 2018 08: 30
          +1
          Quote: Fitter65
          If before, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, in addition to missile launches, there were also pictures with hit targets, then this time there is nothing about the hit targets. And I’ve heard about the number of missiles from Western sources, but all the missiles have just hit everything. But the pictures and videos of the debris of these missiles

          Google to help you
          There are a large number of photos with hit targets (before and after the strike)
          ...one more thing. Do not limit yourself to a Russian-language search ...
          1. Bellerophon
            Bellerophon April 23 2018 09: 16
            +10
            76 missiles per science center (6 buildings)? Here "Google" does not help ...))))) Here we need specialists of a specific profile. But for stubbornness - you set off. No, ZATESTCHE ...))))
            1. Mestny
              Mestny April 25 2018 10: 29
              -2
              And this is their indispensable feature - to rest against the last.
              The Russian proverb “to them even ss. In the eye - all God's dew” is about them.
              Their diligent students in the United States use exactly the same method.
              But, as soon as there is even the slightest danger of really scrubbing along the impudent erysipelas, an ecumenical universal cry from the series "But what for us?"
          2. andj61
            andj61 April 23 2018 10: 26
            +13
            Quote: Totah155
            Google to help you
            There are a large number of photos with hit targets (before and after the strike)
            ...one more thing. Do not limit yourself to a Russian-language search ...


            Quote: Bellerophon
            76 missiles per science center (6 buildings)? Here "Google" does not help ...))))) Here we need specialists of a specific profile. But for stubbornness - you set off. No, ZATESTCHE ...))))

            request Two objects - as a result, under a dozen buildings - and is it 103 or 105 KR?
            Moreover, in addition to the 6 buildings marked by Comrade Bellerophon, the remaining 3-4 are hangar-type buildings. All! No more other "destroyed" wink For some reason, he does not want to find Google objects, even in the language of a potential adversary. laughing Apparently, again, Russian hackers are to blame for this! bully hi
            1. kipod
              kipod April 23 2018 11: 55
              +1
              Quote: andj61
              Quote: Totah155
              Google to help you
              There are a large number of photos with hit targets (before and after the strike)
              ...one more thing. Do not limit yourself to a Russian-language search ...


              Quote: Bellerophon
              76 missiles per science center (6 buildings)? Here "Google" does not help ...))))) Here we need specialists of a specific profile. But for stubbornness - you set off. No, ZATESTCHE ...))))

              request Two objects - as a result, under a dozen buildings - and is it 103 or 105 KR?
              Moreover, in addition to the 6 buildings marked by Comrade Bellerophon, the remaining 3-4 are hangar-type buildings. All! No more other "destroyed" wink For some reason, he does not want to find Google objects, even in the language of a potential adversary. laughing Apparently, again, Russian hackers are to blame for this! bully hi
              1. kipod
                kipod April 23 2018 11: 57
                +2
                Quote: kipod
                Quote: andj61
                Quote: Totah155
                Google to help you
                There are a large number of photos with hit targets (before and after the strike)
                ...one more thing. Do not limit yourself to a Russian-language search ...


                Quote: Bellerophon
                76 missiles per science center (6 buildings)? Here "Google" does not help ...))))) Here we need specialists of a specific profile. But for stubbornness - you set off. No, ZATESTCHE ...))))

                request Two objects - as a result, under a dozen buildings - and is it 103 or 105 KR?
                Moreover, in addition to the 6 buildings marked by Comrade Bellerophon, the remaining 3-4 are hangar-type buildings. All! No more other "destroyed" wink For some reason, he does not want to find Google objects, even in the language of a potential adversary. laughing Apparently, again, Russian hackers are to blame for this! bully hi

                that's just it. we see destroyed buildings - but downed missiles - no.
                like by the way and not torn
                on one side of the photo. - on the other only. the words
                and whom do you command to believe?
                1. jjj
                  jjj April 23 2018 12: 16
                  +5
                  Ask the Israeli authorities how the Syrians shot down five of the eight “invulnerable” Israeli missiles on the eve of the debate
                  1. tlauicol
                    tlauicol April 23 2018 15: 22
                    +5
                    Quote: jjj
                    Ask the Israeli authorities how the Syrians shot down five of the eight “invulnerable” Israeli missiles on the eve of the debate

                    and two days later another 12 Israeli missiles were shot down! with 100% efficiency!
                    true, then they admitted that there was a false alarm and they stupidly launched rockets that had no analogues in the world into the sky request
                    1. SETTGF
                      SETTGF April 25 2018 22: 30
                      0
                      Do not write nonsense and carefully read the news ... five of the eight missiles shot down for sure. And about the missiles that have no analogues in the world - then in the niche of these complexes, there really can be no analogues!
                2. NIKNN
                  NIKNN April 23 2018 14: 22
                  +5
                  Quote: kipod
                  and whom do you command to believe?

                  Yes, you know, I’m on such a drum, you believe it or not ..., I think not only me, the boys are an exception from the circle of "Social Networks for Dummies" ...
                3. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek April 23 2018 21: 00
                  +4
                  Quote: kipod
                  Quote: kipod
                  Quote: andj61
                  Quote: Totah155
                  Google to help you
                  There are a large number of photos with hit targets (before and after the strike)
                  ...one more thing. Do not limit yourself to a Russian-language search ...


                  Quote: Bellerophon
                  76 missiles per science center (6 buildings)? Here "Google" does not help ...))))) Here we need specialists of a specific profile. But for stubbornness - you set off. No, ZATESTCHE ...))))

                  request Two objects - as a result, under a dozen buildings - and is it 103 or 105 KR?
                  Moreover, in addition to the 6 buildings marked by Comrade Bellerophon, the remaining 3-4 are hangar-type buildings. All! No more other "destroyed" wink For some reason, he does not want to find Google objects, even in the language of a potential adversary. laughing Apparently, again, Russian hackers are to blame for this! bully hi

                  that's just it. we see destroyed buildings - but downed missiles - no.
                  like by the way and not torn
                  on one side of the photo. - on the other only. the words
                  and whom do you command to believe?

                  if you don’t know, then right now half of Syria consists of destroyed buildings !!! wassat wassat
                4. Mestny
                  Mestny April 25 2018 10: 31
                  -2
                  There is. There are photos of shot down missiles.
                  For yours, of course, this is not proof. Serve you all 73 pieces.
                  And the most important thing is this.
                  If there is a photograph of even one single missile shot down - this is enough to draw a conclusion about the lies of the USA, stating that ALL missiles have reached their goal.
                  And such a photograph is definitely there, you will not argue?
                  And whom do you command to believe?
          3. Fitter65
            Fitter65 April 23 2018 12: 47
            +8
            Quote: Totah155
            There are a large number of photos with hit targets (before and after the strike)
            ...one more thing. Do not limit yourself to a Russian-language search ...

            And I will advise you, and not necessarily English. Where one and the same hangar from Shairat airbase with a half-burned jeep from all angles was shot, this is a normal result. Well, they even broke up the pharmaceutical workshop, let it be a chemical weapons production plant for your information. the consequences were to be if it were true? Even if a couple of tons of substances, after the blows of your friends breaks out of containers and storages, you imagine how many people should have died. Or, as a normal democrat, you decide that thousands of non-democrats will die, but will democracy prevail faster?
            But as for the launches ... There has never been, not a single refutation on the number of missiles fired in Syria, so I believe in our media, and not your "independent" ...
          4. Rey_ka
            Rey_ka April 27 2018 09: 50
            0
            So we are talking about the same thing. 8,5 tons of explosives flew into the chemical center in Damascus. There should be a funnel in block 2, but no!
        2. G A_2
          G A_2 April 23 2018 13: 06
          +1
          Quote: Fitter65
          Quote: Chertt
          In all Western media, the unequivocal opinion is that all or almost all of the missiles hit the target.

          If before, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, in addition to missile launches, there were also pictures with hit targets, then this time there is nothing about the hit targets. And I’ve heard about the number of missiles from Western sources, but all the missiles have just hit everything. But there are pictures and videos of the debris of these missiles. If you really need, then you can search the network ...

          No need to upload anything on the net. Some old photos
          1. Fitter65
            Fitter65 April 23 2018 13: 14
            +2
            Quote: G A_2
            No need to upload anything on the net. Some old photos

            Well, yes, since the shelling of Belgrade. The fact that the Syrians are spreading this way also lacks faith. Well no, no, it's not my problem.
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 23 2018 09: 19
        +5
        Quote: Chertt
        Russia needs to start showing evidence

        Of course it would be good, but there will not be much use from this. In an informal war, evidence is not as important as it is, what makes people believe.
        As for trophy missiles, it’s not enough to study, we also need to use the data obtained in our systems, detection and target designation systems of different levels. The work is not as small as it might seem. We will not see the results of these works tomorrow. One thing is already visible today, this is the strengthening of Syria’s air defense by Pantsir-C1 complexes and possibly by Bukami and Torah ...
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          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 23 2018 09: 23
            +5
            Quote: Zarathustra
            Why are you then asking for evidence from others?

            I don’t ask, because I understand that I won’t hear the truth ...
            1. kipod
              kipod April 23 2018 11: 58
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: Zarathustra
              Why are you then asking for evidence from others?

              I don’t ask, because I understand that I won’t hear the truth ...

              at the same time - MO is certainly true laughing
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS April 23 2018 12: 00
                +10
                Quote: kipod
                at the same time - MO is certainly true

                Well, you believe your command, as your mother. wassat
                1. Rey_ka
                  Rey_ka April 27 2018 09: 51
                  +1
                  I trust mom less. because she lives according to her own coordinate system and can easily lie if she considers that it will be better
            2. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker April 23 2018 12: 32
              +8
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: Zarathustra
              Why are you then asking for evidence from others?
              I don’t ask, because I understand that I won’t hear the truth ...

              After the "evidence" that Salisbury is still composing on the go, or the one that was cited as a "fact" by Assad’s use of chemical weapons in the Duma, when the Western political establishment is hysterical about every occasion and is already claiming Russia's "upcoming" election the next president, somewhere, it’s not clear where, the meaning itself has disappeared to prove something from the word in general, after an ineffective dialogue with the deaf and blind opponents of the “civilized West”.
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                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker April 23 2018 12: 48
                  +4
                  Quote: Zarathustra
                  You can not answer, everyone already knows.

                  So why wag your tongue?
                  fool
                  I repeat for the orphans and the wretched
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  the meaning itself has disappeared to prove anything from the word in general, after an ineffective dialogue with the deaf and blind opponents of the "civilized West".
                  1. Zarathustra
                    Zarathustra April 23 2018 12: 49
                    +1
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Quote: Zarathustra
                    You can not answer, everyone already knows.

                    So why wag your tongue?
                    fool

                    Whatever you answer as usual (because you have nothing to answer) and you are still convinced of this.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker April 23 2018 12: 50
                      +3
                      Everything...
                      I don’t feed trolls ...
                  2. Zarathustra
                    Zarathustra April 23 2018 13: 02
                    0
                    Quote: stalkerwalker

                    I repeat for the orphans and the wretched
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    the meaning itself has disappeared to prove anything from the word in general, after an ineffective dialogue with the deaf and blind opponents of the "civilized West".

                    Well, live in North Korea, is anyone against it?
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker April 23 2018 13: 03
                      +2
                      Quote: Zarathustra
                      Well, live in North Korea, is anyone against it?

                      Well I said that I do not feed the trolls. Is it not clear?
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                    2. Nikolai Grek
                      Nikolai Grek April 23 2018 21: 19
                      +4
                      Quote: Zarathustra
                      Well, live in North Korea, is anyone against it?

                      recourse have you been from North Korea for a long time ??? what laughing laughing laughing
      4. Conserp
        Conserp April 23 2018 10: 50
        +5
        Quote: Chertt
        In all Western media, the unequivocal opinion is that all or almost all of the missiles hit the target. There is no talk of shot down or missed missiles. And this is said by authoritative (Western) military and politicians.

        For 50 years in a row they have been lying non-stop and hopelessly about everything that is possible.

        They have such an Orwellian propaganda machine that Goebbels cries with bloody tears of envy.

        For example, Mrs. Clinton in the next blah blah about the short barrel overestimated the number of "victims of weapons" in the United States by 25 thousand - and nothing, no one even squealed.

        Quote: Chertt
        Russia needs to start showing evidence.

        To whom and where? Free and democratic Western media simply will not show them.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt April 23 2018 10: 59
          +2
          Quote: Conserp
          oh and where? Free and democratic Western media simply will not show them.

          Firstly, it is necessary for Russian citizens to know that our military is responsible for their words.
          And secondly, about the western audience. And there must be broadcast, the water wears away the stone. Not all there are headless
          1. Conserp
            Conserp April 23 2018 11: 36
            +7
            Our military didn’t say anything for which it was necessary to “answer”

            There’s nothing to broadcast there, and no one will give

            65% of Americans are mentally retarded, another 20% are just dumb
            1. kipod
              kipod April 23 2018 12: 00
              +2
              Quote: Conserp


              65% of Americans are mentally retarded, another 20% are just dumb

              if you are so smart, why are you so poor?
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker April 23 2018 12: 45
                +15
                Quote: kipod
                if you are so smart, why are you so poor?

                Who told you that?
                Filipinos, as well as other residents of the tropical and subtropical zones, living in climatic regions that do not require expensive funds to heat rooms that receive solar energy 350 days a year, when it is not required to use meat and butter in the diet, can allow you to live on 1-3 am.dollar per day.
                If the promised land were to be found in the conditions of the Far North, no unfriendly environment from the Arab countries would have been required, so that the citizens of the neoplasm would again set off to wander the world for the next 40 years.
                1. Mstivoy
                  Mstivoy April 23 2018 19: 44
                  +1
                  And you are a scholar! hi
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker April 23 2018 19: 46
                    +2
                    Thanks I know.
                    hi
                    ... let it sound immodest .... laughing
              2. Spez
                Spez April 23 2018 23: 43
                +2
                Do you call life on credit wealth?
            2. G A_2
              G A_2 April 24 2018 06: 32
              0
              Quote: Conserp
              Our military didn’t say anything for which it was necessary to “answer”

              There’s nothing to broadcast there, and no one will give

              65% of Americans are mentally retarded, another 20% are just dumb

              Is the portrait of Zadornov hanging at home?
              1. Conserp
                Conserp April 24 2018 14: 02
                +1
                Yes, it’s Zadornov’s fault that the Americans believe in large numbers that the Earth is flat, the age of the Universe is 6 thousand years old, and they can read at the second-grader level.
          2. You Vlad
            You Vlad April 23 2018 17: 54
            +2
            Quote: Chertt
            Firstly, it is necessary for Russian citizens to know that our military is responsible for their words.

            Yes, we have evidence !!! And they (USA) demand to present them? All the information about what is happening in Syria is propaganda and counter-propaganda from both sides to advance our interests! I would like us to be more skilled in this (lies) repeat
            Why do you need the truth? what
            If you really need it, I advise you to personally go to Syria and visit both sides of the barricades.
            1. Chertt
              Chertt April 23 2018 18: 12
              0
              Quote: You Vlad
              Why do you need the truth?

              What does the truth have to do with it? (It does not exist at all, everything is subjective). The thought was that against the background of constant "western" lies. Show yourself as a "people of the word", and thereby gain considerable bonus points.
          3. AFHENOGEN
            AFHENOGEN April 27 2018 19: 59
            0
            So in the west they believe the word of a dentel, what to prove.
      5. Vladimir Shpakov
        Vladimir Shpakov April 23 2018 11: 05
        0
        Lies are everywhere.
        1. Semen1972
          Semen1972 April 23 2018 11: 37
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir Shpakov
          Lies are everywhere.

          That’s why I watch only Channel One and Channel Russia, only there you can find the truth !!!
      6. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky April 23 2018 11: 57
        +5
        Quote: Chertt
        In all Western media, the unequivocal opinion is that all or almost all of the missiles hit the target. There is no talk of shot down or missed missiles.

        Do you want them to recognize the fact of "surrendering" their "latest and smartest" hands to Russian experts? This will immediately inflict a crushing blow on the image of their weapons. So they will deny this fact to the last and claim that these are mock-ups, even when they are beaten in the face against the hull of captured missiles.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt April 23 2018 12: 07
          +3
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          They will deny this fact and claim that they are mock-ups, even when they are beaten in the face against the hull of captured missiles.

          Let's point by point: (I'm sorry but you're the fifth who says this, tired)
          Western media lie
          We don't like it
          It is necessary that the Russian media differ from the Western
          So it is necessary to confirm by the factual statements of the Russian media (which means-stop lying)
          To show that the Russian media are different from the western fake news, it’s already important
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky April 23 2018 12: 54
            +8
            Quote: Chertt
            To show that the Russian media are different from the western fake news, it’s already important

            It’s one thing to give pdtv on some small things, and quite another on military topics, when the secrecy stamp is assigned automatically. Here the priority is the interest of the state, which is much more important than the interest of the layman, and therefore take it on faith as it is, without Shoigu's selfie with a rocket.
      7. Polymer
        Polymer April 23 2018 13: 17
        +7
        After the fight, they don’t wave their fists. No evidence will solve anything. The most powerful blow that the Russian Federation missed is the information one. Russia did not prevent aggression against its weaker ally, did not intercede for it and did not even give an answer. And now this is a signal for potential allies: "Russia will not protect you." After such cases, it turns out that the only allies of Russia are its army and navy.
        A very bitter aftertaste remained ...
      8. Prisoner
        Prisoner April 23 2018 14: 14
        +2
        The Chelyabinsk meteorite was unexpectedly lifted, but here a missile strike. Surely there are shots of interceptions and not only amateur ones. what But why keep them in the bins? Again our cold-blooded strategists and politicians will outsmart themselves.
      9. kig
        kig April 23 2018 15: 53
        +2
        It’s time, of course, but you won’t show all 68 pieces, and the wreckage will not convince anyone. Those who need it will know, and the public on both sides will remain with their convictions.
      10. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek April 23 2018 20: 29
        +3
        Quote: Chertt
        In all Western media, the unequivocal opinion is that all or almost all of the missiles hit the target. There is no talk of shot down or missed missiles. And this is said by authoritative (Western) military and politicians.

        with their current type of "highly like" in due time, europe arranged 2 world wars !!! negative negative negative let them say that they want ... the main thing is that we manage to deliver a crushing nuclear strike on the Euroamers in time !!! wassat soldier soldier soldier
      11. Kent0001
        Kent0001 April 23 2018 21: 40
        +4
        Calm down, Alex. Our "partners" -kachetyk they are hot in the nozzle, except for a couple of pictures of the destruction of objects from 103-105 nifiga missiles did not show, since there is nothing to show. This time. And two of them is that their “smart and new” missiles are in our study, like our MIG-25 and them once were. This article does not have the most important thing, but now we have in fact their “friend or foe” system, but everyone is silent about this. If we crack it, let the Americans even describe themselves, but the next 5-7 years, all that will fly from them is nothing at all, I'm talking about NATO in general, because I think there is one standard for everyone. In short, the price of the issue of hacking the identification system is equal to all their carrier groupings combined. I admit, bravo GDP! This is real HP.
      12. lopvlad
        lopvlad April 24 2018 02: 41
        +4
        Quote: Chertt
        In all Western media, unequivocal opinion


        the Russian people have long spit on Western opinion. This is only the pro-Western part of the Russian elite seeking approval and recognition in the West.
      13. meandr51
        meandr51 April 24 2018 10: 36
        0
        Gentlemen take the word. Therefore, the US government never imagines to present any evidence for any reason. Is Russia worse? She is better.
      14. Dead duck
        Dead duck April 25 2018 12: 00
        +2
        Quote: Chertt
        In all Western media, the unequivocal opinion is that all or almost all of the missiles hit the target.

        Yeah ... and even three times laughing
        Only they have forgotten how to count.
        103 missiles at three sites, warhead missiles approximately at 400 kg of TNT.
        In theory, there should be a desert (in those areas) request
      15. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 27 March 2020 06: 42
        0
        In one word, ours managed to take the "spoken languages", which "you chatted" all the secrets embedded in them.
    2. Deck
      Deck April 23 2018 06: 28
      +8
      Has anyone seen photos of downed rockets? They were shot down by pieces of 70. Maybe someone has a link?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 23 2018 08: 28
        +7
        Ours now would be very relevant to post photos of the "surviving" missiles for infoshumi, but for some reason they are not laid out.
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 April 23 2018 09: 25
          +7
          Quote: Vadim237
          Ours now would be very relevant to post photos of the "surviving" missiles for infoshumi, but for some reason they are not laid out.

          What for? Who would benefit from such a publication? Only to the enemy. A specialist in a single photograph of the debris will easily appreciate the potential damage from technology discovery. Why give the West cause for complacency?
          1. Eflintuk
            Eflintuk April 23 2018 11: 36
            +4
            Those. to reassure the domestic audience, just idle talk, cartoons and fairy tales about the "beginning of the test" and the "start of production" are enough? And it’s not at all a hindrance to poke the West in the face with at least one “shot-down” missile - otherwise we really look like empty-bells and it’s very unpleasant even watching us.
            1. Spez
              Spez April 23 2018 23: 57
              +2
              Are you ready to satisfy all the strange succumbing predilections of your opponents, craving for the wreckage of aircraft, for example? Or can you recover from the pictures of missiles destroyed by their object? Why do you still need these pictures?)))
              Bullshit about proving to someone that something is not in me, plz.
            2. meandr51
              meandr51 April 24 2018 10: 41
              0
              It will be immediately declared that this is not the same rocket and in the wrong place. Sometimes it's better to keep silent mysteriously ...
        2. andj61
          andj61 April 23 2018 10: 34
          +7
          Quote: Vadim237
          Ours now would be very relevant to post photos of the "surviving" missiles for infoshumi, but for some reason they are not laid out.

          Now both sides are declaring victory. Our 68% have shot down missiles, they have 100% of their missiles, and such as the fact that besides the destroyed objects they didn’t shoot anywhere else. If now it is meticulous to present all the fragments of all the missiles, as well as the surviving KR, then what will the eio lead to?
          1. The most incredible option - recognize our version. The Pentagon and the whole west are in shit, the US Army admits the failure of its weapons against even outdated Syrian air defense. Does anyone believe in this option? wink
          2. No one admits any evidence. On the net, srach unfolds about this, and this is the end of the matter.
          Well, since it is useless to present evidence, this presentation can be replaced by ordinary daily work to strengthen the defense capabilities of both Russia and Syria. in fact, this is now being done. hi
        3. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky April 23 2018 12: 11
          +4
          Quote: Vadim237
          Ours now would be very relevant to post photos of the "surviving" missiles for infoshumi, but for some reason they are not laid out.

          And why ease their mental anguish? Let the “partners” torment themselves in thought, what and in what condition fell into the hands of Russian specialists.
        4. meandr51
          meandr51 April 24 2018 10: 43
          +1
          The insistent demands of rocket photographs raise some suspicions in the motivation of their authors ...
      2. konstantin68
        konstantin68 April 23 2018 11: 34
        0
        What downed missiles? 100% hit the target! Nothing was shot down and nothing fell / self-destructed / lost its course. Yours won, as always.
        1. meandr51
          meandr51 April 24 2018 10: 39
          0
          Correctly. We ask you again. We liked. You’d always be bombed like that ...
      3. meandr51
        meandr51 April 24 2018 10: 38
        0
        This is all nonsense. After the publication of the photo of the downed rockets by propagandons, it will be stated that these are their remains after the explosion in the target area. Quite enough statements, as in the USSR. And nehai slander ...
      4. Rey_ka
        Rey_ka April 27 2018 10: 18
        0
        Well, the Syrians apparently didn’t think of taking shot down missiles on a mobile phone! this should be attached to the calculation of the air defense of a special “boy” so that he runs around photographing the shot-down debris. and you still need to collect them in a bunch! And then at what altitude it flew there so the debris scattered for more than one kilometer. And then there on Echo, they’re not just giving them the nameplate fragments!
    3. lopvlad
      lopvlad April 24 2018 02: 36
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Even on the fly you can find the positives


      if only a ruined empty building carries a raid as a loss, while simultaneously allowing to test air defense in real combat conditions and gives trophies with secret technologies, then there are certainly positive aspects.
    4. foxic
      foxic April 24 2018 10: 26
      0
      As a result of the operation, agent Danila Kozyr received the order and the next rank ....
  2. zyzx
    zyzx April 23 2018 05: 35
    +2
    Can we reproduce their technology, that’s the question .... otherwise, we even have great Chinese.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 23 2018 05: 52
      +11
      Quote: zyzx
      Can we reproduce their technology, that’s the question .... otherwise, we even have great Chinese.

      the question is not “reproduction” (caliber no worse), but how to effectively counteract these “gadgets”.
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad April 24 2018 11: 23
        +1
        caliber no worse


        calibers (supersonic missile) are two times more accurate and three times faster than tomahawks (subsonic missile). So we will not rivet our analogue of obsolete tomahawks.
        But the “points of the Russian air defense” after studying the trophies are better tuned for them.
    2. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov April 23 2018 06: 20
      0
      Why even? Not even, but only just. Well, then you cling to galoshes, then to the greats, as if the presence of domestic galoshes or veliks will allow us to win in future wars.
      1. zyzx
        zyzx April 23 2018 07: 59
        +4
        Quote: Navigator Basov
        Why even? Not even, but only just. Well, then you cling to galoshes, then to the greats, as if the presence of domestic galoshes or veliks will allow us to win in future wars.

        Yes, directly, are you going to fight in your underpants? I didn’t produce quilted jackets in 42m, and what happened to the Paulus army? Frozen. To win the war industry is needed, and these are galoshes, great, matches, and so on ...
        1. Navigator Basov
          Navigator Basov April 23 2018 18: 18
          +2
          That is, you are going to fight on a bike in galoshes, as I understand it? Or do you offer others to fight like that? Or is it at least on the AT-1 ATV manufactured by Russian Mechanics (pictured) and in Faraday production boots (by reference)?

          http://faradei.ru/products/war/
          While you have been whining for 20 years in a row, everything is already produced in our country no worse than theirs. Nobody needs galoshes in general, neither we nor them. But you can laugh a lot, if you invite Western partners to start producing galoshes according to the corporate strategy of Russian couch defenders, they say you can’t fight if you don’t make galoshes. And domestic bicycles are produced in China (or from Chinese components), since this area is not critical, and there is a demand for budget bikes. And galoshes, by the way, are produced in Russia for their consumers, there are at least a dozen manufacturers, for that matter:
          - Dune-Ast (Astrakhan),
          - Litex (Essentuki),
          - Light Company (Kislovodsk),
          - Elastic (Nizhnekamsk),
          - EVA plus (Novosibirsk),
          - Khimprom (Rostov-on-Don),
          - Tomsk rubber shoe factory (Tomsk),
          - GKO (Ufa),
          - Era-pros (Cheboksary),
          - Cheboksary Production Association. V.I. Chapaeva (Cheboksary),
          - Spetsregionsnab (Yaroslavl), etc.
          Well, will you fight in domestic galoshes?
    3. andj61
      andj61 April 23 2018 10: 37
      +4
      Quote: zyzx
      Can we reproduce their technology, that’s the question .... otherwise, we even have great Chinese.

      As soon as we start to reproduce technologies, we will immediately lag behind at least 5-7 years. These rockets just need to be explored.
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      the question is not “reproduction” (caliber no worse), but how to effectively counteract these “gadgets”.

      good hi
    4. Prisoner
      Prisoner April 23 2018 15: 56
      0
      winked Or maybe it is not necessary to reproduce? Or do you think that the Chinese are great because our technology is lost? laughing
    5. bk316
      bk316 April 23 2018 19: 28
      +3
      Can we reproduce their technology, that’s the question .... otherwise, we even have great Chinese.

      So in the geyropa, the Chinese are also great in merikosia, so now what about the district? Self-dissolve?
  3. Archon
    Archon April 23 2018 05: 48
    +1
    It would be normal if this information spread after 5 years at least. In our time, secrecy has given way to information and disinformation attacks.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 23 2018 06: 12
      +4
      Quote: Archon
      It would be normal if this information spread after 5 years at least. In our time, secrecy has given way to information and disinformation attacks.

      I think on the contrary, let everyone see how "all the missiles hit the target." - These, there are reputational losses.
    2. Conserp
      Conserp April 23 2018 10: 32
      +4
      Quote: Archon
      It would be normal if this information spread after 5 years at least.
      What's the point?

      Well it is obvious - all the fragments of missiles will be immediately collected and will go to Russia. Why hide it, shy something?

      Free reputation strike on the enemy, a sin not to use.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 23 2018 06: 45
    +3
    with 100% certainty, we can say that after studying the Central Research Institute of Higher Professional Testing ... the process of detection, tracking and interception ... will be carried out more quickly and at times more efficiently ..
    Well, thanks, reassured. And then I thought it a sinful thing that they (missiles) would go to the museum right away and would not be allowed to dig into them with an "egghead".
  5. X Y Z
    X Y Z April 23 2018 07: 20
    +2
    Earlier, a quite interesting idea was put forward to expose these missiles as trophy equipment for all to see. Make it May 9th. Location can be discussed.
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 April 23 2018 11: 38
      +1
      Quote: XYZ
      Earlier, a quite interesting idea was put forward to expose these missiles as trophy equipment for all to see. Make it May 9th. Location can be discussed.

      Insanity grew stronger.
  6. svp67
    svp67 April 23 2018 07: 50
    +3
    The question arises: where the first thing surviving copies of American cruise missiles can go to?
    I would be VERY glad if they were sent to the observation deck near the Bolshoi Theater in Moscow, where during the Second World War there was an exposition of captured enemy equipment and showed to all our people, and the world too, on May 9,
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 April 23 2018 11: 40
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      I would be VERY glad if they were sent to the observation deck near the Bolshoi Theater in Moscow, where during the Second World War there was an exposition of captured enemy equipment and showed to all our people, and the world too, on May 9,

      Near the Bolshoi, Western technology is already missing. From the latest models of Audi, Mercedes and Beh already ruffles in my eyes (if anyone does not know, there is the Duma and the Federation Council, and a little further Lubyanka).
  7. Siberian54
    Siberian54 April 23 2018 07: 58
    +4
    ABOUT one hundred “axes” with 450 kilogram warheads (explosives are twice as powerful as TNT-900 kg in TNT) there should be decent funnels somewhere and in the conditions of building destruction around them in a radius of 50-100 meters, why shouldn't the State Department show space snapshots of the event .. Rather, they will show how Ukrainians MH17 knock down than admit failure in the SAR.
    1. Siberian54
      Siberian54 April 23 2018 08: 12
      +1
      According to unconfirmed words of the State Department, 23 tomahawks hit the chemical laboratory on the outskirts of Damascus (22,000 kg in TNT). As an amateur, I could say 10,000 kg of TNT at the scene of the explosion and I can imagine what should remain from the aboveground laboratory facilities in Damascus. half a kilometer from the epicenter — NOTHING SPEAKING ABOVE THE METER OVER THE EARTH-STATE DEPARTMENT: PICTURE TO THE STUDIO
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 23 2018 08: 29
        +3
        In the warhead of the Tomahawk 125 kilograms of explosives.
        1. bk316
          bk316 April 23 2018 19: 40
          +3
          In the warhead of the Tomahawk 125 kilograms of explosives.

          Which one (there are 10 of them)?
      2. kipod
        kipod April 23 2018 12: 03
        +3
        Quote: Siberian54
        According to unconfirmed words of the State Department, 23 tomahawks hit the chemical laboratory on the outskirts of Damascus (22,000 kg in TNT). As an amateur, I could say 10,000 kg of TNT at the scene of the explosion and I can imagine what should remain from the aboveground laboratory facilities in Damascus. half a kilometer from the epicenter — NOTHING SPEAKING ABOVE THE METER OVER THE EARTH-STATE DEPARTMENT: PICTURE TO THE STUDIO

        and at. ax 450 kg b. h?
        since when?
        1. Shahno
          Shahno April 23 2018 12: 17
          +1
          Well, I get the nominal data. In reality, far and not always so. It all depends on the range, complexity of maneuvers, etc. ... It's like 2 + 2 = 4 only in the decimal system, but not in the 8 system. The question is what was the task (the system for the execution of battles. Tasks) ....
        2. bk316
          bk316 April 23 2018 19: 39
          +4
          and at. ax 450 kg b. h?
          since when?[

          Since 1983 (WDU-25 / B warhead) WHAT DID NOT KNOW? Learn the materiel.
          Although there probably was something newer than the type WDU-43 / B or WDU-36 - also under 400 kg.
  8. shinobi
    shinobi April 23 2018 08: 26
    +3
    I’m interested in where the axes that didn’t reach from the salvo disappeared in the 17th year, they talked about it, but the fate of 20 or more tomahawks is covered with darkness. With the current, everything is clear, so much is running down. Two-thirds are knocked down. They talk again, like they did last year. Almost the same words and stuffing. Apparently one training manual. Already announced the backwardness of Russian systems, blah blah blah. Soon they will announce that they won and the question closes.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp April 23 2018 10: 42
      +2
      Quote: shinobi
      I’m wondering where the axes that didn’t reach from the salvo disappeared in the 17th year. They talked about it, but the fate of more than 20 and the tomahawk is covered in darkness.

      If they fell in the territory controlled by bearded men, or simply fell into the middle of nowhere (a huge country, endless mountains and deserts) - who and how will look for them there?
  9. Spambox
    Spambox April 23 2018 08: 39
    +2
    This reminds me of how in Vietnam, the MiG hit the Aim-9 missile with a thermal homing head and ... got stuck there.
    The plane successfully landed and the missile was handed over to the USSR. The rocket was opened and saw that all the stuffing was protected by epoxy. At that time, VDNKh hosted an exhibition of bone carvers, which were quickly involved in solving a non-standard problem. These craftsmen took off the epoxy for the bribes, we got a head on the basis of which we quickly made our own rocket with tweaks.
    I think there will be a similar story.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok April 23 2018 15: 18
      0
      Quote: Spambox
      These craftsmen took off the epoxy for the bribes, we got a head on the basis of which we quickly made our own rocket with tweaks.

      Now only China is capable of this.
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 April 24 2018 11: 01
      0
      Not in Vietnam, but in China during the conflict over Taiwan. Indeed, the Sinduinder was copied in 1958. But before that, similar missiles were already in service with the USSR. But for a long time, domestic GOS photodetectors showed worse results. Then the indicators were equal.
  10. revnagan
    revnagan April 23 2018 08: 46
    +3
    Under one condition, that the missiles were not specially planted, thus draining the “dezu.” It is quite plausible: the enemy is studying the captured enemy equipment, it’s quite logical. But the question is, is the filling of this very technique “authentic”?
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner April 23 2018 16: 38
      +2
      laughing Evo how! Learn pin dos how to otmazyvatsya. lol So why do they need to suffer such garbage?
  11. vlad007
    vlad007 April 23 2018 09: 19
    +5
    If someone has not seen, I advise you to look.
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  12. Dr. Hub
    Dr. Hub April 23 2018 10: 05
    +2
    Given the environment of Trump, the latter, quite possibly, sincerely believes that all the missiles flew. Able to subordinate information from him laughing
  13. omit
    omit April 23 2018 10: 07
    +5
    Well, at least one photo of the fallen Amer rocket! And I don’t believe it!
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher April 23 2018 11: 20
      +2
      Quote: omit
      Well, at least one photo of the fallen Amer rocket! And I don’t believe it!

      This is the axiom of a gopher.
    2. kvarfax
      kvarfax April 23 2018 12: 50
      +1
      https://social.dayonline.ru/blog/43574509727/Opub
      likovano-pervoe-foto-sbitoy-v% C2% A0Sirii-raketyi-
      SSHA

      https://news.rambler.ru/world/39615519-opublikova
      no-foto-sbitoy-amerikanskoy-rakety /

      https://www.anews.com/p/89214242-kto-vret-ssha-il
      i-russiya-skolko-raket-na-samom-dele-sbili-v-siri
      i/
      Believe it? Sure no
    3. meandr51
      meandr51 April 24 2018 11: 02
      0
      And don't believe it. Believers at another door.
  14. Bormental
    Bormental April 23 2018 11: 19
    +3
    Well, yes, yes, to remove algorithms from silicon bricks? These are not microcircuits, as was done in Soviet times, sanding and studying layer by layer. Not so simple, the "black box" is the "black box". Well, the executive part, implemented in hardware, to study wherever it goes ... We sell the rockets to customers with the prescribed algorithms without fear that the “partners” will get the rocket and gut it, and in the algorithm the most cimus is to fly it 300 km, as an export option or 500 ... Well, if only in the "sharashka" we have a secret genius who, with the help of passes, will overcome all the blockages, then oh ...
  15. Alexander Lubov
    Alexander Lubov April 23 2018 11: 26
    +1
    These two smartest missiles decided to migrate and tell everything about themselves! So Trump needs to be more silent or chew than speak!
  16. alauda1038
    alauda1038 April 23 2018 11: 32
    +3
    I would like to see trophies, but then boltology turns out ...
  17. Victor Osipov
    Victor Osipov April 23 2018 11: 39
    +3
    Quote: Chertt
    Quote: _Sergey_
    This will not help. They want to believe that all missiles have flown, nothing will convince them otherwise

    If we show evidence, then many in Russia (and myself) will be calmer that our Military and Diplomats are not Western talkers, and you can trust their words

    Are you a spy? So they laid it out for you, maybe Tomahawk is needed in the yard ... for "calm"
  18. turbris
    turbris April 23 2018 12: 04
    +5
    It is not necessary to show anything, because intelligence exists to provide the political leadership of the countries with real, not politically biased data. The West knows all about how Syrian air defense worked, and the statements of political leaders and the press are for the masses. Do not flatter yourself about the top-secret missiles received, the secret is only what is at the development stage, and not what is massively supplied to the troops. It is important to confirm the actual performance characteristics and their difference from the advertising data of the American military-industrial complex.
    1. Andrey Andreev_2
      Andrey Andreev_2 April 23 2018 21: 26
      0
      And “politically biased data?” Cannot put pressure on our brains through the court media. The fact of the matter is that no one can be trusted, because ALL lie! The truth is somewhere in between)))))
      1. turbris
        turbris April 25 2018 11: 03
        0
        You can’t trust anyone and everyone lies - this is a normal reaction to the media, but only the division of the media into courtiers and others alarms me. You can clarify the court media are mistaken, the rest just lie, everything is crushing your brains and thank God you are not participating in government decisions and therefore intelligence information is not available to you. But still, if you analyze various sources of information, you can grab the truth by the tail, but it takes time.
  19. 2ez
    2ez April 23 2018 12: 12
    +3
    A new joke from Russian amateurs: “The highest military officials of NATO and Russia meet. NATO members:“ So, guys, like, tomorrow we’re launching a missile strike in Syria, like, we are launching 100 missiles. You understand, the military lobby, denyushka is dripping and all that jazz. "Ours:" Great! Then we, supposedly, shot down 70 of your missiles. You understand, friendship is friendship, and DenYushka is apart! "All together - OK! And then some idiot really fired a couple of rockets ... But what, in Russia they have not yet been studied!"
  20. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker April 23 2018 13: 08
    +1
    Zarathustra,
    To send you "according to Lavrov"? Or will you die?
  21. Abrascha
    Abrascha April 23 2018 14: 08
    +2
    Now, if the Syrians in response to a missile attack would have sunk an Amer destroyer or at least shot down an English tornado, then this fact would be really hard to deny. And the missiles flew to the target, or they were still valnuli in the air; this is a dark matter (all the more so everything happened at night)))) and to hell to whom you prove and explain. Everyone will inflate the version that is beneficial to him. Well, remember at least how Panikovsky and Shura Balaganov told Bender about their unsuccessful attempt to shock the underground millionaire Koreiko)))). So all this is normal. This is still life)))
  22. Indifferent
    Indifferent April 23 2018 14: 18
    +4
    Who needs proof? There is a photo of last year’s strike at Shairat airfield. and there all the flying Axes are stacked in a heap. You can count them there and make sure that our military does not lie. And the missiles that left for our research institute should not be shown now. Let them think what they want. The less they know what we know, the better. More invested in remaking rockets.
  23. Kibl
    Kibl April 23 2018 14: 36
    +1
    It was necessary to bring down the media!
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  25. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 23 2018 15: 16
    0
    Moscow is delivering a critical blow to the capabilities of the US Air Force: what will research of surviving missiles reveal?

    In the rockets that Iraq still remembers, can you find something else new?
  26. Victoria-V
    Victoria-V April 23 2018 15: 28
    +2
    According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, 103 missiles were fired on the ATS, most of which were successfully repelled by the Syrian air defense. Russian President Vladimir Putin, in turn, said that 92 missiles were shot down, and US strikes exacerbate a humanitarian catastrophe in the world and provoke a new wave of refugees.
  27. Bort radist
    Bort radist April 23 2018 16: 12
    +1
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Zarathustra
    Why are you then asking for evidence from others?
    I don’t ask, because I understand that I won’t hear the truth ...

    After the "evidence" that Salisbury is still composing on the go, or the one that was cited as a "fact" by Assad’s use of chemical weapons in the Duma, when the Western political establishment is hysterical about every occasion and is already claiming Russia's "upcoming" election the next president, somewhere, it’s not clear where, the meaning itself has disappeared to prove something from the word in general, after an ineffective dialogue with the deaf and blind opponents of the “civilized West”.


    "Fantazery" Nosov - a classic of the genre laughing
  28. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet April 23 2018 17: 06
    0
    Quote: Chertt
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Even in the raid you can find the positive side!

    In all Western media, the unequivocal opinion is that all or almost all of the missiles hit the target. There is no talk of shot down or missed missiles. And this is said by authoritative (Western) military and politicians. Russia needs to start showing evidence. And then we look in the west, since May and Johnson look in Russia. those. balabolami

    What is your evidence? Cocaine! Where are the destroyed objects from the launch of 120 KR? There is? NO! laughing tongue wassat
  29. Victoria-V
    Victoria-V April 23 2018 17: 26
    +3
    Russia in the near future will begin to supply S-300 systems to Syria for free. The rocket launchers were supposed to start shipping back in 2010, but then the contract was canceled at the request of Israel.
  30. Lyutoyar R.
    Lyutoyar R. April 23 2018 17: 33
    0
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    Quote: Chertt
    If we show evidence, then many

    It is necessary to demonstrate with wide coverage by the mass media: to invigorate your own and add strenuousness to others. Let the taxpayers ask them why they lie insolently.

    This naivety is still alive. There do not care about the opinion of taxpayers.
  31. Old military officer
    Old military officer April 23 2018 17: 49
    +1
    Yes, powerful prey went. Let the fighters for democracy scratch the most painful place - the wallet. Who knows what those Russians got there? However, the probability of disclosing classified information is very high, so you have to shell out not in a childish way.
  32. Borders
    Borders April 23 2018 18: 12
    0
    Thanks to Bashar for this!
  33. Amateur
    Amateur April 23 2018 19: 24
    +1
    Again our Nostradamans. Again he knows everything. Steeper than GRU GSh MO, who probably know something. But they probably have a subscription and admission. And so very interesting. "We have such devices, but we will not tell you about them." Mango Mango. "Scuba divers"
  34. Stavr Godinovich
    Stavr Godinovich April 23 2018 20: 18
    0
    RUSSIAN specialists who are researching rockets were very upset: this is an OLD - 40 years old !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
    !!!!!!!!!!!
  35. Andrey Andreev_2
    Andrey Andreev_2 April 23 2018 21: 19
    +1
    Ours will deal with the control system and make Boomerangs from the Tomahawks, which, upon a signal, will turn around and fly to the launch sites .. There will be some laughter!
    1. Victoria-V
      Victoria-V April 23 2018 22: 39
      +2
      So, like RIA Novosti, with reference to Pavel Sozinov, it reported the explosion of one of the delivered American missile AGM-158 in Kirov (BRANCH No. 2 of the Almaz-Antey air defense concern).
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 23 2018 22: 45
        +3
        Quote: Victoria-In
        So, like RIA Novosti, with reference to Pavel Sozinov, it reported the explosion of one of the delivered American missile AGM-158 in Kirov (BRANCH No. 2 of the Almaz-Antey air defense concern).

        A reference, sister ... Or will you be another "daughter of an ohvitser" ....
        1. Victoria-V
          Victoria-V April 23 2018 23: 01
          +2
          https://ria.ru/syria/kirow/sozinow/20186523/18792
          53341.html
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker April 23 2018 23: 05
            +2
            You, my dear, have long been shining here with left-wing news. There is no such news.
            Solemnly declare you "daughter of the Bandera policeman".
        2. Victoria-V
          Victoria-V April 23 2018 23: 03
          +2
          I don’t know, but it doesn’t open anymore ...
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker April 23 2018 23: 08
            +2
            Did you check for sure?
        3. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 23 2018 23: 05
          +4
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          A reference, sister ...

          "Sister" this frensh for the third or fourth time in a couple of days here squeezes.
          Apparently, the obsessive motive of "her" recourse
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker April 23 2018 23: 06
            +2
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            "Sister" this frensh for the third or fourth time in a couple of days here squeezes.

            Novel, my respect.
            hi
            This is no longer a sister .... laughing
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 23 2018 23: 07
              +4
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              my regards

              Mutually, hi
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              It is no longer

              I understood. And the quotes, I also did not just put wink
  36. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin April 23 2018 21: 58
    +1
    Frankly, I was even visited by the thought, but have Putin and Trump gotten into trouble about who has the best system? Of course, this is fantastic in the literal sense of the word, but what the hell is not joking, everything can be in the conversation, and Trump got a little pierced when he announced smart missiles, and our ships and boats went out on an external raid in advance, so there’s something to think about .
  37. Mentat
    Mentat April 23 2018 23: 22
    0
    Quote: freddyk
    Does the MO in itself exist? His direct work is protecting the interests of the Kremlin

    Quote: anykin
    You about MO and you about the Kremlin.

    The direct work of the Moscow Region is to protect Russia from external threats. You mixed up the vacuum with the plunger.
  38. mvg
    mvg April 24 2018 02: 43
    +2
    Why can’t you put a minus to the article and the author? Well, at least once. Well zadolbil his unproven reasoning. Well, at least a picture which was inserted into the article or a cartoon, like a downed ax falls, and arapchat with bows run to him and shout urra, well, or Allahakbar. And he calculated% and called the model, probably the connection in the Pentagon.
    Plin, does he write his short stories to schoolchildren?
  39. Bypassed
    Bypassed April 24 2018 09: 35
    0
    The next step in testing US missiles or full-size mock-ups can be taking measurements in an anechoic chamber to build even more accurate EPR diagrams that no third-party radiation source with a frequency range of up to 40 GHz can affect.

    Belarusians also have anechoic chambers. I personally observed one. So you can apply for fraternal help, if necessary.
  40. Anatoly Denisov
    Anatoly Denisov April 24 2018 10: 18
    0
    When they hit Shairat, also rockets buried in the sand ... Moscow drivers experienced this themselves. at the entrance to the Kremlin, their navigators showed that they were driving along ... the Arbat. In the Black Sea, NATO ships also positioned themselves ... on the shore ..
    Having fallen under the influence of electronic warfare equipment and lost in space, the rocket will have to urgently gain a height of about 150-200 meters in order to clarify its coordinates. At this moment, it becomes a good target for air defense systems. At the same time, EW forces will get a good chance to completely “blind” and “disorient” the missile.
    1. Vladimir Emelyanov
      Vladimir Emelyanov April 25 2018 23: 24
      0
      So it is so, but not so, these missiles do not need GPS, they fly on a program that is inside them and it’s practically impossible to shoot down REBs, these tomahawks cannot be checked with anything other than their on-board computer and the area that is visually in front of them
  41. cradle
    cradle April 24 2018 11: 15
    0
    Quote: kipod
    Quote: Conserp


    65% of Americans are mentally retarded, another 20% are just dumb

    if you are so smart, why are you so poor?

    Patamush’s grandmothers don’t print like SGA and don’t get from Israel like Israel, but WE EARN ... Do you know this word?
  42. cradle
    cradle April 24 2018 11: 21
    0
    Quote: omit
    Well, at least one photo of the fallen Amer rocket! And I don’t believe it!

    Eugays forever asked for evidence ... even from Jesus himself ... weary.
  43. zan_parti
    zan_parti April 24 2018 20: 59
    0
    In vain voiced info about the study of rockets. Now the enemy has a reason for making changes to their design ...
  44. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer April 24 2018 23: 29
    -1
    Quote: Cube123
    And as regards the speeches of the generals - why should they confirm their statements? They are not in court and are not required to prove anything publicly. For evidence, there are completely different structures.

    recently, one responsible general quite publicly proved that the earth is round ... for some reason I mentally applauded him. A genius, he is also clever at the Ministry of Defense, is it even though the stars are falling?
  45. Vladimir Emelyanov
    Vladimir Emelyanov April 25 2018 23: 18
    +1
    Read and numerous eyewitnesses living in the vicinity of Damascus, Shairat, Dumeirah, Duval and Bley, who observed dozens of flashes from exploding warheads of anti-aircraft missiles in the sky, and then the wreckage of air attack weapons on the surface
    And now we think, if there are so many eyewitnesses, then 1. there should be a bunch of shootings on mobile phones, and their current is a couple of pieces. 2 Shooting of fragments of axes should also already be full on the net, but there aren’t any. 3. Today at the briefing several pieces of iron were shown, this is not even a hundredth part of shot down missiles, several parts from a maximum of a pair of rockets. Along the way, our people lie, however, like the United States, it would be interesting to know the truth, and even more would like the air defense to be really effective, but along the way this is far from the case
  46. Tilkus75
    Tilkus75 April 26 2018 11: 47
    0
    It was a banal test of the defense of the Syrian "umbrella" missile defense ....


    What umbrellas, which missile defense is purely politics !!! The next check will not eat eat! And they ate everyone! And once eaten, wait for the “supplement” and more!
    But how everyone turned! It all came down to a trivial count of downed tomahawks!))
  47. gespenst45
    gespenst45 April 26 2018 20: 18
    0
    Well, let’s take it to the last rivet, the main thing is to figure it out. Let’s try it for a tooth, if only it’s good. And when they’ll figure it out, you can send your cockroaches to America. .In truth they say: "There is a silver lining."
  48. Vadim12
    Vadim12 April 26 2018 20: 36
    0
    Well, and everyone says that Trump is bad, evil. That's what a generous gift he gave to our specialists! These missiles will now have to be greatly redone, which is very expensive for the French and Americans.
  49. sanyasn
    sanyasn April 27 2018 07: 51
    +1
    Then the Pentagon deny the fact of the loss of these missiles, such a reason for Trump to clean this cantor from clintonoids.
  50. Imobile
    Imobile April 27 2018 13: 27
    +1
    Very little practical information is carried by these debris. What would be useful: this is the program on which the rocket flew, but this information cannot be available, after de-energization it is erased. The capabilities of the sensors, but they are heavily known. The most important ALU (processors) they are much more primitive than in your computers, but they have a very important feature, they are not subject to interference. It was them that we could not do in the USSR, and we cannot do now, hence the backlog in avionics and in the space industry. But the wreckage will not help to reveal this secret, moreover, we could buy them whole before the sanctions, but we did not get closer to the disclosure of production technology
    1. Shahno
      Shahno April 27 2018 13: 35
      +1
      On microcircuits and even ready-made boards it is not possible to reveal the technology ... "Give up all hope ...". Electronic engineers understand the rest of Google in ...