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Poltorak - Poroshenko: "Peter, do not!"

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The statement of Petro Poroshenko about the regular change of the format of the punitive operation was perceived both in the Donbass and in Ukraine as an obvious threat to the people's republics.




Recall that the leader of the Kiev junta at a press conference in Vinnitsa said the following:

“The date of completion of the ATO will be in May. Because we are moving to a different format of the country's defense in accordance with the adopted law on the reintegration of Donbass. We are introducing completely new, more effective measures using the armed forces. ”


But if in Donetsk and in Lugansk Poroshenko’s speech was rather indifferent, then the statement of their commander-in-chief seemed to be seriously alarmed by the top of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In any case, the next day, the head of the defense department of Ukraine Stepan Poltorak announced that almost 80 thousand Russian military were concentrated near the “Square” borders, ready to strike Ukraine immediately.

For the “particularly blunt”, the Ukrainian military leader said bluntly that the conflict in the Donbas could escalate into a “full-scale aggression of the Kremlin.”

That is, the Minister of Defense has publicly stated that the intensification of hostilities against the people's republics in connection with the change of the ATO format or for another reason will inevitably cause retaliatory actions on the part of Russia.

Moreover, judging by the overall tone of Poltorak’s speech, he does not value the possibility of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to resist the Russian operation to enforce peace. In other words, Poltorak’s speech was kind of addressed to the “Supreme Commander”, and it sounded like this: “Petya, don't!”

The cause of Poltorak’s alarm is obvious: he is better than anyone else, realizing that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are not able to fight the Russian army, but the possibility of their victory over the forces of the people's republics is a big question.

Recall that the other day the Ministry of State Security of the Republic of Lithuania on its official website published the report of the American experts, who evaluated the level of combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The Americans familiarized the commanders of the Ukrainian formations with the results of this study (this is how the document actually went to Luhansk Chekists).

According to the conclusions of the Americans, “there is a low level of military discipline, general and specialized training, as well as motivation for military service, including in the ATO zone ".

According to the observations of US experts, at the level of "soldier-sergeant" there is a failure to follow orders and orders of commanders, alcohol abuse, drug use. At the level of junior officers, there is a discrepancy to the positions held due to lack of training. Officers of the level “battalion commander, regiment” are not able to fully carry out the tasks of command, including due to the high degree of corruption.

General conclusion: “... at the first stage of the armed conflict, Russian means of destruction will destroy more than 70% of the personnel of the Armed Forces, as well as all combat and military transport aviation».

It is noteworthy that, based on the data of this report, Poltorak asked the secretary of the National Security Council of Turchinov to persuade the United States and NATO to provide the Ukrainian Armed Forces with additional material assistance "to eliminate the identified deficiencies." Also, the United States and the European Union must pay for the missions of “senior commanders for internships at the central headquarters of the NATO forces in Europe.

Leaving aside the farmer practicality of Poltorak and the intention of the Supreme Command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to immediately proceed to personal "European integration", we note that the report data is quite objective.

On a low level of combat readiness of the Ukrainian formations, information comes from numerous sources.

Thus, the official representative of the People’s Militia of the LPR, Andrei Marochko, once again stated that the intelligence services of the Republic "continue to receive information about the low level of the moral and psychological state of the militants of the armed forces of Ukraine." “Despite the rotational events held a week ago, cases of alcohol consumption and, as a result, gross violations of military discipline, offenses and suicides, are recorded in the 53 subunit of the separate mechanized brigade,” the lieutenant colonel noted.

It is noteworthy that the measures that the commanders of units and subunits are trying to use to improve discipline, often have an even more devastating effect on it than the misdeeds themselves.

For example, in the Ukrainian media and social networks, the state of emergency was actively discussed, which occurred in one of the connections of the Supreme Court of Ukraine. In the 54 Brigade, two officers were subjected to savage violence "for drunkenness." In the eyes of all the personnel, including their subordinates, the major and the captain were tied with scotch tapes to the “pillars” and left in this form for some time, giving people around them the opportunity to mock up the unfortunate people and photograph this process on smartphones.

Similar methods in armed formations have been practiced since the spring of 2014, that is, from the beginning of the punitive operation of the fascist junta against the population of Donbass.

The problem of drunkenness and drug addiction assumed a mass character in the revolutionary army. Victims of drunken clashes, surrogate alcohol and injuries associated with the abuse of strong drinks, in the hundreds, if not thousands. There are many reasons for this.

First of all, it should be noted that a significant part of the militants, both in “regular” formations and in voluntary karbats, are declassed elements, criminals and homeless people, for whom alcoholism is an integral part of “anamnesis”.

In addition, the very fact of participation in the fratricidal war is quite conducive to drinking, causing an urgent need to drown the pangs of conscience in alcohol.

Historical experience suggests that drinking has always been one of the main problems of the formations involved in punitive operations.

Be that as it may, the struggle against drunkenness in the troops of the Kiev junta took on forms almost as terrible and ugly as the causes generating it.

Although almost two-thirds of the punishers “thump” and “sit on the needle,” not everyone got under the revolutionary “disciplinary measures”, and not even the drinkers themselves.

“Initiation” into “avatars” is the so-called translation of some soldiers suffering from alcoholism into representatives of the “caste” of the outcasts in the Ukrainian armed forces.

Initially, the “avatars” were simply poured over with green paint, then they began to put them in cells or put them into earthen “zindans”. Sometimes bullying and humiliation were even more radical.

The avatars that have passed through such a “dedication” occupy the lowest position in the “food chain” of the Ukrainian formations, similar to the status of “left out” in places of detention. They are forced to do the dirtiest and hardest work; they can be beaten and humiliated by any “full-fledged” colleague.

The described case of “initiation” into the “avatars” of officers is unusual, since previously privates or sergeants were usually subjected to executions. The episodes of the massacre of officers of such a high rank became known for the first time. We also note that this incident, moreover, which did not take place in some Aydar’s Makhnov’s, but in a completely regular connection of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, speaks of the destruction of the military hierarchy, without which the army turns into a gang, into a gathering of armed criminals.

Note that the problems of violation of military discipline, including those associated with drunkenness, are present to one degree or another in all armies of the world without exception. However, they are solved, as a rule, by quite adequate measures, not related to the bullying and humiliation of the violators. These mechanisms work perfectly and efficiently, and there are no difficulties for their application in the APU.

The fact that Bandera prefer to maintain discipline with such creative methods suggests that they are not so much interested in the result as in the process itself.

It is no secret that many punishers, having tasted the taste of human blood, are so addicted to violence that they no longer imagine their existence without it. And when, due to the lack of full-scale hostilities, and because of the increased fighting efficiency of the Donbass defenders, the punitive handlers do not have “separators” on which to tear themselves away, they assign their “brothers” to the role of victims.

To this we can add that the APU is a broken army, with an undermined morale, fearing its opponent, not trusting its command and political leadership of the country.

Kiev propaganda can talk as much as possible about the victorious Ukrainian army, which stopped the “Russian hordes” and defended Europe, but the troops know perfectly well how things really were. And they categorically do not want to feel again the full rage of the Donbass defenders.

Over the last couple of years of sluggish war in the Donbas, a significant part of the armed forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine went through various courses and trainings organized by NATO instructors. Large sums spent on the purchase of new weapons, the reorganization of the army, the creation of effective supply chains.

However, all this, judging by the report of the American experts, did not greatly strengthen the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and did not strengthen them, as Poltorak’s appeal indicates, faith in victory.
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  1. Ravik
    Ravik April 11 2018 06: 07
    +10
    Parade on Red Square, we’ll reach Rostov ... rotten whistles. Only with the bold fishermen.
    1. forester
      forester April 11 2018 10: 08
      +1
      In general, the most powerful army in Europe)))) dupa bench press
      1. Baloo
        Baloo April 11 2018 20: 45
        +1
        Quote: forester
        In general, the most powerful army in Europe)))) dupa bench press

        I don’t think that in LDNR people are deceived on this score. The enemy must be evaluated as realistically as possible. Half-drunk rabble is not all the APU, since beggar is still in Kiev, and not in the Maldives.
    2. credo
      credo April 11 2018 10: 44
      +4
      Quote: Ravik
      Parade on Red Square, we’ll reach Rostov ... rotten whistles. Only with the bold fishermen.

      Whistles are not whistles, but you need to be prepared for any provocation, especially in the regions of Russia bordering Ukraine. After all, in Ukraine there are now not only brainless military commanders, but there are also a bunch of warriors motivated by crazy sorties to whom our overseas “partners” give real commands. The war in South Ossetia in 2008 is a vivid example of this.
      1. Borik
        Borik April 11 2018 13: 39
        +1
        we are moving to a different format of the country's defense

        We introduce completely new, more effective measures using the armed forces

        For four years they have already tried 100 methods of defense, this will be the 101st But not far off and the 102nd
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 11 2018 06: 10
    +5
    We introduce completely new, more effective measures using the armed forces
    The main one is the pushing of the Western "peacekeepers" into the territory of the republics, that is, the repetition of the "Croatian scenario"
    1. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum April 11 2018 09: 55
      +2
      in the units of the APU low level military discipline, general and special training, as well as motivation for military service, including in the anti-terrorist operation zone

      The motivation in this context is the ability and ability to die for ... what?
      There was plenty of time to think.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 11 2018 10: 11
        0
        Quote: Pax tecum
        The motivation in this context is the ability and ability to die for ... what?

        For Ukrainian Lugansk, Donetsk and .... Rostov ....
  3. Chichikov
    Chichikov April 11 2018 06: 29
    +9
    Yeah, in May - don’t miss the date, otherwise it may happen that the red flag can “walk” along the outskirts exactly by May 9!
  4. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 11 2018 06: 37
    +9
    The leader of the Kiev junta would have been like that for Russia if his Russian leadership had not recognized OFFICIALLY the "legitimately elected president of Ukraine." So, we must now call NGOs, respectively: "President of Ukraine." It was necessary to think earlier, when he was "recognized", hoping that he would return $ 3 billion.
    1. credo
      credo April 11 2018 10: 38
      +1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      The leader of the Kiev junta would have been like that for Russia if his Russian leadership had not recognized OFFICIALLY the "legitimately elected president of Ukraine." So, we must now call NGOs, respectively: "President of Ukraine." It was necessary to think earlier, when he was "recognized", hoping that he would return $ 3 billion.

      Do not consider it work and please refer to the document where Russia recognized Poroshenko as the legitimately elected President. This is the first.
      And secondly, where did Poroshenko, if the tranche was interstate, not inter-presidential, and if so, the country should return it, and not Poroshenko personally.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat April 11 2018 10: 58
        +2
        And yourself, what is too lazy to hammer out the phrase "Russia recognized Poroshenko as the legitimately elected President" in the search engine "Google"? Religion does not allow? http://tass.ru/politika/1398162
        And what kind of "document" is issued to all "presidents" as an "official" recognition? As far as I know, such a document does not exist in nature, as a recognition of the "legality" of the president, the country allows its ambassador to submit to him "credentials" - this is the recognition of "legitimacy."
        1. credo
          credo April 11 2018 11: 26
          +1
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          And yourself, what is too lazy to hammer out the phrase "Russia recognized Poroshenko as the legitimately elected President" in the search engine "Google"? Religion does not allow? http://tass.ru/politika/1398162
          And what kind of "document" is issued to all "presidents" as an "official" recognition? As far as I know, such a document does not exist in nature, as a recognition of the "legality" of the president, the country allows its ambassador to submit to him "credentials" - this is the recognition of "legitimacy."

          And the phrase I can hammer into any search engine and my religion allows me to do it, but the point is not that, but that no search engine is a normative act. And I can also assume a lot of things like you.
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat April 11 2018 11: 37
            +1
            Well, if so, then tell me the name of the document that you want me to provide. Since you think that such a document exists, you must know its "official" name. I'm waiting.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic April 11 2018 11: 57
              +9
              Petro Poroshenko came to power not as a result of a coup, but as a result of popular elections. This fact was recorded by Russia when it recognized the Ukrainian president as legitimate. “We have recognized President Poroshenko and hope that he will use the confidence mandate he received with all the nuances of the elections that took place on May 25,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said
              Petro Poroshenko became the head of the new state - just without the Crimea, and perhaps without the Donbass, who simply did not vote for him. For other regions, it is quite legitimate
              By the very fact of his election only in areas consistent with the new order, did the new president establish new borders for the new power.
              The choice is simple: if you insist on the illegitimacy of the Ukrainian president, then you think that Viktor Yanukovych needs to return to the post of head of state, and Crimea and Donbass to Ukraine.

              If, in your opinion, Petro Poroshenko was chosen legally, then his legitimacy is limited to the territory on which the polling stations were located. This territory is the new Ukraine.
              That is, we had to make a choice, either to help Yanukovych regain power, or to recognize the legitimacy of Poroshenko’s elections .. and now we turn on the brain and analyze the consequences of both options.
              1. Curious
                Curious April 11 2018 14: 31
                +5
                And if some have nothing to turn on and they think the TV?
                1. vasya.pupkin
                  vasya.pupkin April 16 2018 11: 19
                  0
                  Do not pay attention, Vitya, this “Svidomo”, who has settled in the Russian Federation, receives manuals from the SBU and works out his 30 silver-in.
              2. sunzhenets
                sunzhenets April 12 2018 19: 31
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                Ascetic
                The choice is simple: if you insist on the illegitimacy of the Ukrainian president, then you think that Viktor Yanukovych needs to return to the post of head of state, and Crimea and Donbass to Ukraine.

                Here I do not understand. Poroshenko is illegitimate unequivocally - from the point of view of the law, Yanukovych remained the current president. How does this affect the referendum in Crimea?
  5. Wolka
    Wolka April 11 2018 06: 44
    0
    all the fuss, about nothing ...
  6. Sergey985
    Sergey985 April 11 2018 06: 53
    +3
    Just a gang of armed marauders and alcoholics looms.
  7. Irek
    Irek April 11 2018 07: 40
    +8
    Petya has already prepared for war ...
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii April 11 2018 08: 58
      +7
      Oh, as I understand you, he is like that. smile from an appeal to the soldiers.
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 11 2018 08: 07
    +1
    The Ukronazists will face a complete collapse in the event of full military operations in LNR.
  9. konstantin68
    konstantin68 April 11 2018 08: 41
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    We introduce completely new, more effective measures using the armed forces
    The main one is the pushing of the Western "peacekeepers" into the territory of the republics, that is, the repetition of the "Croatian scenario"

    On the border with the Russian Federation, this scenario will not pass unambiguously.
  10. Strashila
    Strashila April 11 2018 09: 03
    +1
    The project of Tskhinvali-2 is obviously being prepared ... a massive shelling of residential areas of Donetsk and Lugansk ... with a cry ... these are all Russians ... Ziegel-Ziegel Amerikan Ocupantes, Well, dill ... Well, then the Russians will make us ay-lyulyu , while remaining morally ..
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 11 2018 09: 18
      +1
      Most likely, they will start first in Syria, then immediately in Ukraine and possibly somewhere in the Caucasus, so that it would become more difficult for Russia to fight back on all "fronts" ...
  11. antivirus
    antivirus April 11 2018 09: 13
    +1
    Gref and Kostin lost the “race” to the American bankers.
    We again slipped "toxic asset - Bandera dill.
    You can always get "5" by matan, and you can freely choose the object of capital investments --- ONLY FROM PERMISSION OF THE OWNER. The ability to protect your typewriter in the common sandbox is ONE MATTER, and to create "your own sandbox" for your games is OTHER
  12. raw174
    raw174 April 11 2018 09: 19
    +3
    Somehow, everything just goes to the author ... It seems that you don’t need to fight anymore, here Ukrainian soldiers themselves will die out, you don’t even need hats!
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 11 2018 09: 45
      +1
      For Strelkov-Girkin, the last article (in Nezavisimaya Gazeta) shows the correct alignment (without pink snot) both in Ukraine and in Syria. And according to his opinion, Russia is in a losing position in any case, just this loss will be different, from "loss of face" to "disaster."
  13. Moor
    Moor April 11 2018 10: 07
    +1
    And I’ll take a risk. Active fighting (approximately the level of 2014-2015) in the Donbass will not be in principle. Of course, subject to maintaining the status quo in the balance of political forces. Why? Well, let's estimate. It happened, APU defeated the South-East, defeated everyone and everything. So what is next? And then (following the logic of the current authorities in Ukraine), two vectors of events follow. The first is that within Ukraine there should be a sharp improvement in the life of the population. How is it - why? The aggressor is defeated, the war is over. What is the likelihood of such a development? The question is rhetorical. While the war is on, EVERYTHING can be attributed to it: inflation, unemployment, impoverishment, epidemics, right up to the invasion of the Martians. The second vector of development of events is external. Itok, Southeast Ukraine "liberated." What's next on the list? Crimea, if my memory serves me? Oh well. Ergo: the conflict in the Donbass is needed by the Ukrainian authorities as air. It must be cherished, cared for and cherished, periodically inflating it as necessary.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 11 2018 10: 18
      +2
      Of course, subject to maintaining the status quo in the balance of political forces.

      No longer .... Russia was already silently thrown out of the "Norman Four", with a comment "for unconstructive behavior" -then now, Petya is a patron ... Secondly, in these "unrecognized republics" people are already tired of uncertainty and there they dream about one thing, most likely it would all be over, EVERYTHING IS EQUAL AS.
      1. Moor
        Moor April 11 2018 10: 24
        +1
        And what does the interests of the people have to do with it? The people are tired on both sides, in only "the problems of the Sheriff Indians do not care." Although of course, there is one argument. On the eve of the elections, Pete would not have been hindered by a small victorious war, but then again - and then what?
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat April 11 2018 10: 40
          +1
          And then ... the restoration of statehood in the "unrecognized republics" at the expense of Russia which has been charged for "support for the separatists." Merkel has already expressed that the fate of Nord Stream 2 directly depends on the preservation of transit through Ukraine. Moreover, now according to the decision of the Stockholm arbitration, Ukraine itself can come up with the price of both the consumed Russian gas and the price of its transit to the EU based on its "economic situation" and "economic feasibility" - Gazprom and Russia have no choice but to continue to pay for this " banquet"...
          1. Moor
            Moor April 11 2018 11: 30
            0
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Merkel has already expressed that the fate of the Nord Stream 2 directly depends on the preservation of transit through Ukraine.

            So it will be saved, just reduced at times. Germany desperately needs extra. volumes of Russian gas at an affordable price for resale. Ukraine is not a state for whose interests it is necessary to lay bones. Merkel sweetened the pill, no more.
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            And then ... the restoration of statehood in the "unrecognized republics" at the expense of Russia which has been charged for "support for the separatists."

            Well this is not even funny. Putin, of course, is still a loach, but this is political suicide.
            1. Monster_Fat
              Monster_Fat April 11 2018 11: 46
              +1
              1st Germany is not an independent state, as the owners in the USA said, it will be so: They said the USA, the Germans need to support Ukraine, and therefore they will support it, even to the detriment of themselves. For gas, the intensive construction of LNG terminals for American gas has begun, they promise to begin accepting it in 2020
              2- "political suicide" Putin does not care, he has been given "carte blanche" for 6 years, and the "national guard" to help in case of emergency ....
  14. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky April 11 2018 10: 26
    +2
    Large amounts were spent on the purchase of new weapons, the reorganization of the army, the creation of effective supply schemes.
    However, all this, judging by the report of the American experts, did not greatly strengthen the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and did not strengthen them, as Poltorak’s appeal indicates, faith in victory.
    It is noteworthy that, based on the data from this report, Poltorak asked the secretary of the National Security Council Turchinov to persuade the United States and NATO to provide the AFU with additional financial assistance “to eliminate the identified shortcomings”
    The United States has not yet understood what crooks are associated with? These Urkaine money vacuum cleaners in uniform can Pentagon and NATO "budget" the annual budget for a couple of months and do not choke. yes
  15. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 11 2018 19: 28
    +1
    The low level of combat readiness of Ukrainian forces comes from numerous sources. So, the official representative of the LPR People’s Militia Andrei Marochko recently stated once again ...

    The source in the article is given only one - "Marochko". No other specified. And Marochko believe - to deceive yourself.
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