The first images of the Chinese stealth bomber H-20

The Chinese magazine Aerospace knowledge has demonstrated how the promising stealth bomber H-20, which has been developed at the Shanghai Institute for ten years, will look like, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

The publication notes that the aircraft design from 2008, the Shanghai Aviation Design and Research Institute (SADRI). The main task of engineers is to reduce its radar visibility. In appearance, the promising aircraft is a “flying wing”.

According to military experts, the Chinese Air Force needs a “long-range bomber that does not require air refueling and is capable of carrying up to 10 tons weapons».

Any details of the development relating to the performance characteristics are unknown - the development of a stealth bomber in Celestial is strictly classified. And the publication of a picture of the appearance of the aircraft may indicate that the Chinese designers have finally decided on how it will look.

Recall all the aircraft that are in service with the PLA - foreign copying, mainly known Soviet cars.

Comments

[Thrall]

I did such in the 2nd grade from the newspaper "Pioneer Dawn"

[Hire]

the development of a stealth bomber in the Middle Kingdom is strictly classified. And the publication of the appearance of the aircraft ...

Well, yes, yes ... Development is classified, and appearance is like that, little things. Nonsense is insignificant. Who is making a fool of?

[Max otto]

Bullshit is, not development. The air intakes from above do not build combat aircraft. This scheme will be able to fly, but there is no active maneuver in the vertical plane, so they all have a bottom.

[Snakebyte]

This is a bomber, why does he need active maneuvering in a vertical plane?
And the planes are so well built for themselves. F-117, B-2A, A-12 and a number of projects of the naval "invisibility".

[Yrec]

Precisely, the lame Chinese was drawing with his left foot.

[RASKAT]

WOW, what are you, what engines will they put there? Probably from its counterpart to our Tu-16? Revolutionary
Well, here you can still say that this is some kind of fake, since personally I see a hole for refueling behind the cockpit, and nothing but the USA refuel like that. The Chinese, like us, have a cone-rod. It seems that the Chinese at the Amerikos have also compromised the picture.
Well this is so amateur observation.

[spirit]

Somewhere I already saw such nozzles) the widow speak on MPR surpassed a raptor)

[Gogia]

Look at what it looks like :))))
With slight changes in the shape of the wing. Chinese aircraft manufacturers have so far only learned how to assemble, they have done nothing new.

[spirit]

XM, something familiar) somewhere I’ve already seen such nozzlesl)

[voyaka uh]

Right! Gray Ghost from the 90s. Two pieces were built.
In the series did not go.

[Dezinto]

As I understand it, the nozzles of the engines from above would make the incandescent engines and hot air from the ground not so clearly visible.!?







Why didn’t he go to the series? It seems not a bad device?

[voyaka uh]

I do not know. The fighter they went F-22, small drummer F-35.
Strategist B-2.
And this turned out to be in the middle: a drummer, but it is not clear what application.
But they are going to "revive" it seems for some tenders.

[Dezinto]

And this turned out to be in the middle: a drummer, but it is not clear what application

Well, I thought so - a "prototype." On it they worked out, and for sure, future planes continue to work out.
And by the way, I really like B-2 purely design - a beautiful blueprint!

[Gogia]

He can’t fly without ACS in principle. Although an interesting idea, but very expensive. It’s easier to make a lot of long arm rockets.

[voyaka uh]

Not a single combat aircraft can fly without ACS now.
The computer refused - instantly catapult.
Only now, engines (mechanics), and not computers, still fail.

[voyaka uh]

The comparative form is wonderful. Impressive resemblance.

[Snakebyte]

Quote: voyaka uh

And this turned out to be in the middle: a drummer, but it is not clear what application.
But they are going to "revive" it seems for some tenders.

This is actually a direct competitor to the F-22. And why revive the prototype project if there is a ready-made serial F-22?

[spirit]

In terms of MNR, the widow was superior to the Raptor, and Lockheed Martin recognized this. the warriors decided that a more classical scheme was preferable, and missile launches were carried out only on yf22.

[Zhelezyakin]

He lost the F-22 at the competition, so he didn’t go ...

[Gogia]

The air leaving the nozzle mixes with the outboard (something like an ejector) - this should pretty much reduce the thermal signature.

[Vadim237]

This aircraft would make an excellent attack drone.

[Pivot]

Probably Pioneer truth dawn it was a broadcast, there were good times.

[mark1]

Quote: Thrall

from the newspaper "Pioneer Dawn"

"Pioneer Dawn" - there was such a broadcast, and the newspaper was called "Pioneer Truth"

[vkl.47]

Paper can stand it

[Dezinto]

I made them in the 2nd grade from the newspaper

I made them in the seventh of plywood! AND!? Weak? What ? Blown away?

(just kidding))

[Thrall]

And I in the sixth 3 color music soldered

[Dezinto]

Pff. I built a model of the Antarctic station in the fifth. First painted, and then made a natural layout!

[AlexVas44]

Quote: DEZINTO

... and then made a natural layout!

Great !!! Where is the land allocated to you for the construction site?

[Dezinto]

Where is the land allocated to you for the construction site?

At home on the desk. there everything and engineering tents fit, and construction cranes ......

[Dezinto]

And I in the sixth 3 color music soldered

But by the way, I never learned to solder, .... so I shake my hand with all due respect ...
Something somehow did not give me a soldering iron, I either burned myself or a small fireman arranged

[aszzz888]

Photos used: https://twitter.com/KomandanteS17

The view is of course futuristic. And there we look at the exhaust, what they will succeed.

[Dezinto]

And we'll see

But the Chinese really can. how to pull all their hundred factories and in a couple of years we can really see this miracle ....

[aszzz888]

DEZINTO (Nikolai) Today, 09: 29 ↑ New
And we'll see
But the Chinese really can. how to pull all their hundred factories and in a couple of years we can really see this miracle .... request

And in their history such moments were not once. What is the cost of smelting cast iron and steel, when the stoves were installed in all houses, and in my opinion, came to first place in the world.

[Dezinto]

Yes, yes, and I am the same. In fact, the potential of Asian countries is very high. They really fig like robots. The mentality of this. And we see the effectiveness of this property by the results of the Chinese economy over the past thirty years. - The growth is colossal!
So I won’t be surprised if such a machine takes off in two or three years.

If the Chinese impatient, there is no doubt .... and the forces and resources will be quickly found.

[Vadim237]

The Chinese economy - a copy factory is growing every year, regardless of product quality.

[MoJloT]

Quality is growing every year too.

[Vadim237]

In individual segments - but not in all.

[MoJloT]

Where the party said, or in factories where there is standardization and quality control, you are talking about private production cheap and uncontrolled.

[ZVO]

Quote: MoJloT

Where the party said, or in factories where there is standardization and quality control, you are talking about private production cheap and uncontrolled.

Intervening.
You're wrong.
The difference between Chinese production and ours is that it is precisely totally controlled.

And especially private traders.

And if you need cheap stuff, they will supply you with cheap components, without incoming control. without edge treatment, without varnish on the windings, without lubrication in the bearings, etc.
Exactly as much as the customer painted in TK.

If you want to do everything in the highest rank, then they will do it in the highest rank ... But only now you will pay much more.

[MoJloT]

totally controlled.

It’s impossible even in the theory that a Chinese collects there in his garage without even realizing the existence of TK, the authorities cannot physically control it, and do not do this until an emergency occurs (until 2ra hundreds were poisoned or took off into the air) - this is the state policy.

[NN52]

Something in the lower projection of the fat Amerov "penguin" reminds .... Probably it seemed ...

[aszzz888]

NN52 (Dmitry) Today, 09: 42 ↑ New
Something in the lower projection he is a fat Amerov "penguin" reminds .... Probably it seemed ...

This is where the Chinese put together rackets and bombs ...

[Vard]

It would be funny ... if it weren’t so sad ... They’ll do it ... not in a year ... they’ll do it in five ...

[tun5t]

I do not like how European women treat us scornfully?!, So why are you the same with China ?! Maybe the Chinese will cease to be afraid and suspect, we will begin to cooperate without conventions?

[konstantin68]

Quote: Thrall

I did such in the 2nd grade from the newspaper "Pioneer Dawn"

"Pioneer truth." "Dawn" is a radio transmission was

[Dormidont]

Photo? He is invisible

[Vita vko]

It is a pity that so far it has not been possible to combine Russian scientific and technological potential and Chinese economic and industrial capabilities. Everyone would have won, both in the field of economic and military security. But I think that everything goes to this. In fact, not a single "official ally" of Russia in the CSTO supports Russia in the international arena or in the economy as China does.

[voyaka uh]

Late. Late. Now China has no scientific and technical
potential is no longer needed. He either buy and copy (like Su-35
and S-400) or they simply steal and copy, like the F-35 and other American
things. And they take to themselves (in their research institutes) foreign scientists and engineers
to "American" salaries.

[Vita vko]

Of course, you can copy or steal technology. But practice proves that in any technology, there are subtleties and nuances that cannot be reproduced without serious research and testing. In China, they understood this and proceeded to entice scientists and engineers, as the United States and Israel do. But there will be a puncture. Only for a Jew money is a source of inspiration, for everyone else it is only a means of subsistence, preferably with comfort. Therefore, no matter how many scientists are recruited, it will not be possible to create a real scientific school.

[voyaka uh]

Silicon Valley disproves your point. There makes 3/4 modern
applied science of the world. Almost all innovative products come from there.
Science today is design. A team is assembled for the project: mathematicians, physicists,
Algorithmists, engineers, programmers, technicians.
New project - a new team.
The Chinese have created centers of science and innovation. All the appliances you want.
Salaries are like in California. No bureaucracy: in the morning e-mail, in the evening the machine
or the device in your laboratory / experimental workshop.
Do you think patriotism will stop specialists from such a "side job"? 5 years worked -
a rich man for life in his country.

[ZVO]

Quote: Vita VKO

Therefore, no matter how many scientists are recruited, it will not be possible to create a real scientific school.

Now compare the number of universities with China and Russia.
And how quickly Chinese universities become all sorts of ratings ...
In droves.

[andy.v.lee]

Copy and steal including from Israel!

[voyaka uh]

And how!
Chinese Embassy in Israel - 4th largest
staff in the WORLD. This is in an 8 millionth country that is not visible on the map.
What kind of staff is this?
9/10-of course, spies, industrial and military . They are caught "by the hands" constantly and
... deported quietly. Instead of falling asleep send fresh.
Why is it bearable? Because the potential of projects with China is many, many, many billion.
On one export to China, our economy can "go" comfortably for years.

[Piramidon]

Quote: voyaka uh

... quietly deported

Usually, no counterintelligence will deport an uncovered spy, just keep him under the hood, making it clear that he is uncovered.

[voyaka uh]

This is in the movie. For intrigue.
In life, counterintelligence has neither people nor money for all sorts of subtle
spy games. Or bail out (quietly or with a scandal - how profitable)
or (rarely) put in a jail for exchange.

[andy.v.lee]

And even more! An order of magnitude, sometimes in percentage terms. A specialist who quit NASA upon arrival in Macakia began to receive 30-50% more (2011). I was familiar with their employers personally. I vouch for my source.

[NEXUS]

Hmm ... apparently the Chinese have a very specific notion of beauty ... looking at this picture, for some reason I thought about the Mattress Raptor, only very pregnant and with wild scoliosis.

[voyaka uh]

There is NO connection between beauty and functionality.
Tupolev’s catch phrase is incorrect.

[NEXUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

Tupolev’s catch phrase is incorrect.

The phrase Tupolev is true. It was formed as a result of creating the best aircraft in the world, both in the civilian and military spheres.

[voyaka uh]

Beauty is beauty only for its time.
What would Tupolev say about this, be born 50 years earlier?
"God, what a beauty and grace!"

[tchoni]

In the fifth generation fighter race, the Chinese made us (alas, a fact). They will, apparently, also in the race for a promising bomber.

[Vadim237]

Where did they make us?

[NEXUS]

Quote: tchoni

In the fifth generation fighter race, the Chinese made us (alas, a fact)

Seriously? Do the Chinese have a 5th generation fighter? They, dear, another 10 years in this matter will be in the role of strongly catching up.
What year are they blades in any way to create on the characteristics, at least close to ours?

[NN52]

NEXUS

Do you know the characteristics? our blades? And have the Chinese reported to you their developments on this topic?
Tell pzhl, so as not to be unfounded, about your statement ... Somehow ugly on your part, so say ///

[Altona]

It looks like a Tu-160, which they decided to extend to the silhouette of the F-22.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Altona

It looks like a Tu-160, which they decided to extend to the silhouette of the F-22.

The most fun will be about which dviguny put the Chinese there.

[Old26]

Quote: DEZINTO

Pff. I built a model of the Antarctic station in the fifth. First painted, and then made a natural layout!

One to one? And with the runway? I respect you. How much space did you need?

[Dezinto]

One to one? And with the runway?

and the runway was and the main building and electrical substations and houses for employees, everything was! But at the scale of the desk. 1,5 to half a meter ...
Well, something like this:

I got two fives! Yeah! still proud .....

[zyzx]

That's when the Chinese copies of Lego lose the conditional compatibility of parts, then we'll talk.

[ZVO]

Quote: zyzx

That's when the Chinese copies of Lego lose the conditional compatibility of parts, then we'll talk.

We’ll talk about then.
Remind about Mask?

[zyzx]

Quote: ZVO

Remind about Mask?

And now, the theoretical masquerade explain why the Chinese have holes with pimples that do not match.

[ZVO]

Quote: zyzx

Quote: ZVO

Remind about Mask?

And now, the theoretical masquerade explain why the Chinese have holes with pimples that do not match.

and now translate your opus about pimples into normal words ...

Take a look around, up to 80% guarding you - made in China.
50-60% of auto components, especially all kinds of bulbs, headlights, made pendants, bearings, dashboards - and much more - are made in China.
Traffic lights are made from Chinese semiconductor products.
Already copper cable is cheaper to transport from China and it is here to re-mark it as your Russian production.
The entire infrastructure of the Internet - built on an elemental base made in China.

And so in everything.
Learn to watch.

[MMX]

Musk is already skiing. Will Tesla drag the rest of the "projects" to the bottom?

[Gogia]

Quote: DEZINTO

Pff. I built a model of the Antarctic station in the fifth. First painted, and then made a natural layout!

Boys and girls
And also their parents,
Toxic dyes
Would you like to smell?

[KCA]

He glued models in childhood, the glue was based on dichloroethane, which is much more toxic, you just need to drink a little and glasses in life will only need black, opaque, but nothing, survived, survived until I got sick, 45 years old, probably because I glued it, but did not drink glue

[Altona]

Quote: voyaka uh

Late. Late. Now China has no scientific and technical
potential is no longer needed. He either buy and copy (like Su-35
and S-400) or they simply steal and copy, like the F-35 and other American
things.

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For some reason, China still remains in the role of a catch-up and secondary compiler of other people's ideas. And this despite its huge defense potential, 300 powerful research institutes work there for one military aircraft and space. And in other areas there are no less powerful scientific and industrial structures, but some breakthrough things and developments, alas and ah. One thing is good, although smartphones and household appliances are no worse than branded ones.

[voyaka uh]

“One thing pleases, even though smartphones and household appliances are no worse than branded ones.” ///

This phrase shows your lack of understanding of modern technology.
Creating a modern competitive smartphone is much more difficult than any
rocket or plane. There micro-nano- "nishtyaki" of unprecedented complexity.
If they make smartphones - EVERYTHING will do

[MMX]

Quote: voyaka uh

“One thing pleases, even though smartphones and household appliances are no worse than branded ones.” ///

This phrase shows your lack of understanding of modern technology.
Creating a modern competitive smartphone is much more difficult than any
rocket or plane. There micro-nano- "nishtyaki" of unprecedented complexity.
If they make smartphones - EVERYTHING will do

Reality refutes you. China produces the most modern smartphones including Apple products, but with aircraft and missiles, things are much worse. Missiles and planes, that is (and even that is a poor choice), but to call them advanced, the language does not turn.
It turns out that a smartphone of any complexity is welcome, but building, say, a civilian airliner is a big problem.

[Snakebyte]

Quote: Altona

For some reason, China still remains in the role of a catch-up and secondary compiler of other people's ideas. And this despite its huge defense potential, 300 powerful research institutes work there for one military aircraft and space. And in other areas there are no less powerful scientific and industrial structures, but some breakthrough things and developments, alas and ah. One thing is good, although smartphones and household appliances are no worse than branded ones.

This is called a "scientific and technological reserve." You can have millions of brilliant scientists and engineers, but without your own backlog it remains only to copy other people's developments.
For example, to calculate stealth, you need the appropriate mathematical apparatus and computer systems, to work out solutions you need anechoic chambers. Is it all in China?
Judging by the fact that they corny copy the forms of existing "invisibles", they cannot afford to develop their own.

[Altona]

Quote: Gogia

Boys and girls
And also their parents,
Toxic dyes
Would you like to smell?

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And what is there? Polyvinyl acetate glue (PVA) or BF-6 and acetone paints or oil type PF-115 paints.

[Altona]

Quote: voyaka uh

This phrase shows your lack of understanding of modern technology.
Creating a modern competitive smartphone is much more difficult than any
rocket or plane. There micro-nano- "nishtyaki" of unprecedented complexity.
If they make smartphones - EVERYTHING will do

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Yes Yes. Of course. I also know that they make whole villages, for example, plucked or wind instruments. The village is about 500 thousand people. As for nanonishtyakov, I also know how crystals are grown and how many nanometers are smaller today. On my laptop, for example, another 32nm processor. In general, the construction of an airplane and a smartphone are somewhat different and specific things. And a modern airplane is no less difficult to do.

[Amateur]

One picture, and how many emotions!