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The Russian Defense Ministry reported on experiments in the English laboratory Porton Down

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The UK is implementing a new generation poisoning agent program launched in Western Europe as early as the 1970s, said Igor Kirillov, Head of Radiation, Chemical and Biological Protection (RCBP) troops at the Russian Ministry of Defense, at a briefing at the Foreign Ministry for foreign diplomats.


According to him, the development and research of toxic substances is carried out by the laboratory Porton-Down, located "by luck" a few kilometers from Salisbury.

The Russian Defense Ministry reported on experiments in the English laboratory Porton Down


He noted that Porton Down is a top-secret facility that officially deals with the disposal of old samples, as well as conducting experiments under the pretext of developing protective measures against chemical and biological weapons.

In addition, he drew attention to the fact that it was the United Kingdom that was the developer who patented the “production of organophosphorous toxic substances like VX” in 1962.

Kirillov also added that Novice gas, which in the UK was allegedly poisoned by the ex-GRU officer Sergei Skripal, can be created on special equipment using a published formula.

He recalled that in 2008, Vilém Mirzayanov, who immigrated to the US, published the book State Secrets, Insider Chronicles on the Russian chemical weapons program, which published the formula for the substance that the UK calls Beginner, and also describes in detail the synthesis of this substance.
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 21 March 2018 17: 48
    +13
    The "hitting" on the Britons began. Stop asking for a sample of the poison and making excuses that we didn’t.
    1. Logall
      Logall 21 March 2018 17: 49
      +3
      Now they will play ping-pong "poisons" ... Whose side will they end up on ...
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 21 March 2018 17: 51
        +2
        Hello hi It’s only time for the British to put in their place - in a corner, on peas, all of Britain, but our hands do not reach them. . until they reach.
        1. Falcond
          Falcond 21 March 2018 21: 20
          +1
          Yes, our hands do not reach them. . until they reach.
          Who do you have?
    2. Thrall
      Thrall 21 March 2018 17: 54
      +7
      Porton Down

      Today is March 21 - International Day of a person with Down Syndrome.
      1. Falcond
        Falcond 21 March 2018 21: 18
        +2
        You mock people with a serious illness .. don’t renounce!
    3. demo
      demo 22 March 2018 19: 02
      +1
      Weak hit.
      Will not work.
      Now, if the “scans” from the laboratory of documents, the testimony of an employee (defector), the material exported in the original packaging - this could still shut up their mouths. And so - you, du.rak! Sam du.rak! And that’s all.

      This is off topic, but the question arises for moderators.
      Tell me, dear ones.
      Why is the word d u rk not skipped by the system?
      In the literary works of Russian and pre-revolutionary writers, and after this word is often enough found. And the proofreaders missed him. And you? Trying to be holier than the pope?
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 21 March 2018 17: 49
    +3
    There half of Britain downs without any additions or reservations. And also liars and hypocritical bastards.
  3. Operator
    Operator 21 March 2018 17: 53
    +2
    Similar laboratories are also available in the USA, Sweden, Czech Republic and Slovakia.
  4. Slovak
    Slovak 21 March 2018 18: 07
    +3
    One question, why did Russia destroy the OM? Everyone except the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation has them. It's time to destroy the traitors of nuclear weapons (100 MT / city) and let MEI and Donya then talk about the Russian trail
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 21 March 2018 18: 21
      +5
      Quote: Slovak
      One question, why did Russia destroy the OM?

      probably then, so that in the future American biological centers would appear at the Russian borders, which even local regulatory authorities would not allow, not to mention international organizations. Not surprisingly, the calm reaction of Russia to these laboratories in Kazakhstan, Georgia and Ukraine contributes to a further exacerbation of the situation.
      It is not difficult to predict that the next step will be the US refusal to destroy chemical weapons and the actual withdrawal from the agreement on the prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons.
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 21 March 2018 18: 23
      +4
      By kindness of soul, they destroyed OM! They naively believed the West! !!
    3. NKT
      NKT 21 March 2018 18: 31
      +3
      The decision was made by the USSR Ministry of Defense in the early 80s. So it became irrelevant and a lot of trouble with him.
      1. Operator
        Operator 21 March 2018 18: 53
        +6
        Chemical weapons are one to two orders of magnitude more expensive than nuclear weapons per one disabled enemy. You can protect yourself from chemical weapons (gas mask and jumpsuit), but not against nuclear weapons.

        In addition, as Vladimir Uglev from Volsk, one of the developers of Soviet chemical weapons, said yesterday, binary chemical weapons are a myth. Until the ban on the development and production of chemical weapons in 1997, not a single country in the world (including the United States) was able to transfer workable ammunition equipped with two precursors to the troops, which, when mixed, forms an organophosphorus neuroparalytic compound.

        Therefore, the troops received ammunition with ready-made prefabricated BWs of type VX prefabricated, stockpiles of which by the end of the 1990s had reached several thousand tons. Binary OVs (Soviet "newcomers" and foreign analogues) did not become BOVs; they were accumulated in a few kilograms of three hundred modifications that were produced and stored in laboratory conditions.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 21 March 2018 19: 20
          +6
          Quote: Operator
          You can protect yourself from chemical weapons (gas mask and jumpsuit)
          It can be concluded that chemical weapons are practically useless to destroy the enemy’s manpower (military), but it’s going well against the civilian population, because it is defenseless.
          T.O. it is only needed to clean the territory from the population.
          1. NKT
            NKT 21 March 2018 19: 30
            0
            Like bacteriological weapons.
          2. Operator
            Operator 21 March 2018 19: 59
            +2
            Quote: Simargl
            it is only needed to clean the territory from the population

            The most effective neural-paralytic weapon of the VX type is not even suitable for cleaning up the territory, since it is too resistant (up to a year at negative air temperature) - it will be necessary to be in protective overalls and a gas mask around the clock, and remove them every time only after decontamination that in practice is impossible.

            Whether it’s a tactical thermonuclear munition with a capacity of 100 kt during an air blast at an altitude of 1,5 km - radiation zero, destruction and fires maximum.
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 21 March 2018 20: 09
              +2
              Quote: Operator
              The most effective nerve type VX is not suitable even for cleaning the area, because it is too resistant
              So ours refused BOV because there is no need to apply. For some reason, our sworn friends need to exterminate animals on territories for a long time ...
        2. Vita vko
          Vita vko 22 March 2018 09: 10
          +1
          Quote: Operator
          Chemical weapons are one to two orders of magnitude more expensive than nuclear weapons per one disabled enemy. You can protect yourself from chemical weapons (gas mask and jumpsuit), but not against nuclear weapons.

          I don’t know where you got such calculations.
          First, what is meant by opponents? Chemical weapons are primarily weapons of mass destruction, i.e. actually genocide. And by opponents we mean the people of entire states.
          Secondly, a common myth about possible protection against chem. weapons with a jumpsuit or gas mask. It's just that everyone forgets to indicate in the calculations that the gas mask filter is designed for only 30 minutes, and different nozzles are required for different types of OM. It is not difficult to calculate how much stock is required for military units, not to mention civilian ones.
          There was a case when smoke occurred on our command post, there was no opportunity to switch to the ZKP, and no one has the right to cancel combat duty. Only in 1 day, the KP’s reduced combat crew consumed all brigade supplies of insulating gas masks, then an order came for permission to open the NZ, and it was destroyed in just 2 days.
    4. Falcond
      Falcond 21 March 2018 21: 24
      0
      destroy traitors of nuclear weapons (100 MT / city)

      The statement of a near and immature teenager! Or are you ready for your children, wife, parents to burn in a nuclear fire ???
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 21 March 2018 18: 25
    +4
    I was always amazed at such “coincidences.” The base, or rather the chemical laboratory for the development and destruction of chemical agents, are located near the place where the chemical weapons are used. And given that they are not relatives, Russian diplomats cannot get to Yulia Skripal, the coincidences turn into facts.
  6. Old26
    Old26 21 March 2018 18: 34
    +3
    He noted that Porton Down is a top-secret facility that officially engaged in the disposal of old designs, as well as conducting experiments under the pretext of developing protective measures against the effects of chemical and biological weapons.

    A masterpiece statement from the chief of troops of the Russian Chemical Forces. And in other countries, what is different? Or the same GNIIOKhT after signing the agreements exclusively deals with the disposal of old weapons and the creation of plant protection products for our agriculture ??? laughing

    Quote: Slovak
    One question, why did Russia destroy the OM? Everyone except the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation has them. It's time to destroy the traitors of nuclear weapons (100 MT / city) and let MEI and Donya then talk about the Russian trail


    Who? Britain? So they destroyed their own 10-12 years ago? France? Who else? Do u have? Yes, they still have a certain amount, about 5000 tons, maybe a little more. Who forced Russia to carry out the "five-year plan in four years" and completely destroy its chemical weapons, when, according to the Wyoming Memorandum, the Americans and I had the right to leave about 5000 tons until all other countries in the world destroy their chemical weapons ???? Someone forced? Or did you have to show that we are so white and fluffy that we were the first to get rid of this infection ??? You can only blame yourself for your own stupidity

    You are brave until even a 100 kt warhead falls on your own city. Off the couch is easy to demand. Are you ready to send your family to a spell so that May and Donald can salt ??? Damn, how did this fuss get

    By the way, the word Dawn in English means DOWN, and the name of the place Porton downlocated near the village Porton can be translated into Russian as Lower Porton (similar to our names, such as Lower Vishera). And all this has absolutely nothing to do with Down syndrome, as they are trying to draw parallels
    1. vredlo
      vredlo 21 March 2018 20: 01
      +3
      you probably missed the humor and sarcasm well, or do you really think that nobody knows English except you and seriously write about Down Syndrome
    2. Mikhail Zubkov
      Mikhail Zubkov 21 March 2018 20: 09
      +1
      For provocations, chemical weapons are the best, the British are masters of provocations, but if they provoke a war, they will reap the end of their abominable lying island. WE WILL RESPOND THEM TO PROSISION, as liars and provocateurs!
    3. barbiturate
      barbiturate 21 March 2018 20: 38
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      A masterpiece statement from the chief of troops of the Russian Chemical Forces. And in other countries, what is different? Or the same GNIIOKhT after signing the agreements exclusively deals with the disposal of old weapons and the creation of plant protection products for our agriculture ???


      That's right, everyone is doing it, why should everyone blame Russia and make a killer a monster out of it.

      Quote: Old26
      Who? Britain? So they destroyed their own 10-12 years ago? France? Who else? Do u have? Yes, they still have a certain amount, about 5000 tons, maybe a little more. Who forced Russia to carry out the "five-year plan in four years" and completely destroy its chemical weapons, when, according to the Wyoming Memorandum, the Americans and I had the right to leave about 5000 tons until all other countries in the world destroy their chemical weapons ???? Someone forced? Or did you have to show that we are so white and fluffy that we were the first to get rid of this infection ??? You can only blame yourself for your own stupidity


      And Britain has, and everyone else, listen to our Nebenzyu, he openly talks about more than 200 !!! modern Western publications on the study of toxic substances similar to Novice. Work is being done by everyone. Well, as for the one who forced, this is a separate big question, it may not be a question of stupidity, but we will not find out about this.

      Quote: Old26
      You are brave until even a 100 kt warhead falls on your own city. Off the couch is easy to demand. Are you ready to send your family to a spell so that May and Donald can salt ??? Damn, how did this fuss get


      Well, it’s May and Donald who are ducking it, and it is they who should first of all understand that in attempts to annoy Russia they send the families of their citizens to slaughter. But Russia, so far, is not blaming anyone, is not proposing to shut up anyone and is preparing for punishment.
    4. sabakina
      sabakina 21 March 2018 20: 46
      +5
      Cho said Old26, I did not understand. recourse Yes, and he himself campaign too.
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 21 March 2018 20: 03
    +1
    A voice in the void! They don’t want, they won’t listen. Immediately it was necessary to the press all that could and couldn’t be pulled, there was nothing for the Englishwoman to blather. Now sho, they threw accusations and we make excuses! I do not know if this is nonsense or the brakes are not pumped. The press service or someone else, the same intelligence, could predict such a development of events! To proactively work, fill up the media space with information different, without direct lies but with specific hints!
    Oh, again prosr - overslept! But in the media space there is WAR!
  8. Fayter2017
    Fayter2017 21 March 2018 20: 13
    +1
    And why did everyone decide that Russia destroyed all chemical weapons?
    When I was in Donetsk, even before the maydaun, the locals said that in the mines under the city, which wasn’t there, right down to the nuclear weapons supposedly exported to Russia ...
    1. Falcond
      Falcond 21 March 2018 21: 33
      +3
      locals said that in the mines under the city

      They say that chickens are milked !! They also say that Russia poisoned Skripal ...., they also say that Russia shot down a passenger plane over Ukraine ..., there is still an opinion that the Earth is flat, and Putin put Donald Trump to the post ... And before that, they said, that the sun revolves around the earth !!!! Now you are saying something here ....
  9. steelmaker
    steelmaker 21 March 2018 20: 17
    0
    After such an accusation, sanctions would not be a bad thing to declare in pursuit of the first.
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  12. Old26
    Old26 21 March 2018 20: 27
    0
    Quote: vredlo
    you probably missed the humor and sarcasm well, or do you really think that nobody knows English except you and seriously write about Down Syndrome

    You know, I can still tell sarcasm. But when they try to connect the name of the same with a logical chain with Down's syndrome, they say they are all a priori like that - this is no longer sarcasm.
  13. Doctor13
    Doctor13 21 March 2018 20: 27
    0
    Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
    For provocations, chemical weapons are the best, the British are masters of provocations, but if they provoke a war, they will reap the end of their abominable lying island. WE WILL RESPOND THEM TO PROSISION, as liars and provocateurs!

    Yes, they are just shy Anglo-maybe the Saxons who provoked the 2nd World War, and They themselves are shyly sitting with Himself on the island. We will still remember the murder of Hess. We have a long memory - they can do something with their own hands only in the Gut Queen is thin ....
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  15. sabakina
    sabakina 21 March 2018 20: 37
    +3
    He recalled that in 2008, Vilém Mirzayanov, who immigrated to the US, published the book State Secrets, Insider Chronicles on the Russian chemical weapons program, which published the formula for the substance that the UK calls Beginner, and also describes in detail the synthesis of this substance.
    Yes, I accidentally stumbled.
  16. Vard
    Vard 21 March 2018 20: 42
    +2
    What pins ... This is what the British knew what the substance was used .... Before it was determined ... Well, imagine that people became ill ... And experts take samples ... Conduct analyzes ... But what would to determine the OM it is necessary to do certain analyzes for this purpose and intended ... So they were experts ready ...
  17. Falcond
    Falcond 21 March 2018 21: 27
    0
    as well as conducting experiments under the pretext of developing protective measures

    The shaving experiment went out of control, and Russia is to blame ???
  18. Old26
    Old26 21 March 2018 21: 44
    0
    Quote: barbiturate
    And Britain has, and everyone else, listen to our Nebenzyu, he openly talks about more than 200 !!! modern Western publications on the study of toxic substances similar to Novice. Work is being done by everyone. Well, as for the one who forced, this is a separate big question, it may not be a question of stupidity, but we will not find out about this.

    Research in the field of XO is one thing. Possession of it in commodity quantities, when it becomes a weapon and is in the arsenal of the armed forces, is completely different.

    The Slovak states that many countries have it. I said that England officially removed from service and destroyed its chemical weapons 10-12 years ago. Can you give an example that this is not so? Work is being done by everyone, including us. It is foolish to think that this is not so. But until the work has reached the stage of industrial production and adoption, this is a completely different matter. The number of publications may not even be 200, but 2000. This does not change anything.

    Why did we destroy our chemical weapons ahead of schedule, and are now outraged by the fact that the Americans still haven’t destroyed them and say they’ve got us suckers? It is stupidity that can only be explained. By law, we had the right, but decided to make a broad gesture .... But who really stood behind the adoption of this decision - we really do not know. Someone from chemical generals or someone else - HZ.

    Quote: barbiturate
    Well, it’s May and Donald who are ducking it, and it is they who should first of all understand that in attempts to annoy Russia they send the families of their citizens to slaughter. But Russia, so far, is not blaming anyone, is not proposing to shut up anyone and is preparing for punishment.

    Not only May and Donald are getting smoothed out, but also those of our VO colleagues who offer to take and bang hundreds of megatons to other cities. Without thinking that the answer can fly in, we can put an end to our civilization and life.

    Quote: sabakina
    Cho said Old26, I did not understand.

    In which place? I can clarify additionally if something is not clear

    Quote: sabakina
    Yes, I accidentally stumbled.

    This is not the only such book. In Russian several years ago (I will not say more precisely) a three-volume volume "Undeclared Chemical War in Russia" was published. It was there too.

    Quote: Vard
    What pins ... This is what the British knew what the substance was used .... Before it was determined ... Well, imagine that people became ill ... And experts take samples ... Conduct analyzes ... But what would to determine the OM it is necessary to do certain analyzes for this purpose and intended ... So they were experts ready ...

    If a chemical warfare agent had been used, the number of corpses, namely corpses, and not just injured would have been many times greater. And then the subject himself suffered, his daughter and EMNIP another 8 people in the restaurant. The rest are healthy. With the volatility of these types of BWA, corpses would be not only visitors to the restaurant, but also those who were in the area. Some specific poison was used, and it is absolutely not necessary that it be a binary chemical weapon.
    1. Cook
      Cook 21 March 2018 22: 37
      +1
      That Old26: explain please, why do you from a negative point of view evaluate the fact that chemical weapons in the Russian Federation were officially destroyed and supervised? What's bad about it?
      1. iaroslav.mudryi
        iaroslav.mudryi 22 March 2018 14: 36
        +1
        Quote: Cook
        ....... the fact that chemical weapons in the Russian Federation were officially destroyed and supervised? What's bad about it?

        Look, there may be such logic:
        1) 4 January 2016, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) announced the complete destruction of chemical weapons in Syria.
        2) 27 September 2017 years of the Russian Federation completely destroyed all its chemical weapons.
        3) The 70-percent threshold of the destroyed US CW crossed over in February 2010. The United States plans to complete the destruction of its arsenal by the 2023 year.
        4) 2 countries (Iraq, Libya) have not yet destroyed their chemical weapons.
        5) Abandoned and old chemical weapons. The weapons left were in China, Italy and Panama. Australia, Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Slovenia, the United Kingdom and the United States officially announced in the OPCW that there is an old chemical weapon in their territories;
        6) Suppose that Russian intelligence repeatedly received information in 2016 / 17 / 18 about the upcoming provocations with chemical weapons in Syria, which the United States was preparing to accuse Assad and Russia of its use (a known fact). Our and Syrian chemical weapons are destroyed, but in the USA and in the above countries it is. Then the British threw the Skripals poisoning - and again, "Russia is to blame." But they do not succeed, there is no evidence, since Russia, having destroyed its chemical weapons in Syria, knocked out their evidence base. All the rest of the CW remaining in the world is located in territories not controlled by Russia, such as Iraq and Libya, and there the Americans are in charge - they are the organizers of the provocations - the circle has closed! good
  19. earloop
    earloop 21 March 2018 23: 44
    0
    Information, not just for thought!
  20. l7yzo
    l7yzo 22 March 2018 08: 21
    0
    Here's how the cordon - so our security forces know where and who and how to eat. And as in our homeland as radiation or emission - everything is covered in mystery and darkness and no one knows anything)))
  21. Old26
    Old26 22 March 2018 10: 18
    0
    Quote: Cook
    That Old26: explain please, why do you from a negative point of view evaluate the fact that chemical weapons in the Russian Federation were officially destroyed and supervised? What's bad about it?

    In the fact of destruction? Nothing wrong. Worse is another. At present, our destruction of chemical weapons (ahead of schedule) and not the destruction of them by the Americans for propaganda purposes is being used as an example of the United States' lack of maturity. Say we destroyed, but they are not yet. We are good, white and fluffy and they are the embodiment of evil on earth.
    But the same Russia signed the Wyoming Memorandum, according to which there was an agreement with the United States, if necessary, not to completely destroy its own chemical weapons, but to leave a certain percentage of it before other countries possessing similar weapons do not destroy it. We decided to carry out the "five-year plan in four years." The Americans so far are acting in accordance with the same memorandum, additionally coordinating the terms of destruction with us. But we continue to blame them for their observance of the contract to the last comma.
    I do not see the point of such accusations. We could save XO until a certain time.
    And now many VO writers are just talking. Look, we destroyed, but they are not. It is necessary for their thermonuclear bomb ...
    Everyone understands that there was a provocation, the meaning of which is also clear. And the same T. May herself “carved” herself, after listening to her advisers and those who made this report. The same "Novice" has already ceased to be only Soviet. Now, having a formula and power, anyone can synthesize it

    And sometimes we all fall into one pile. And not the destruction of XO by the Americans, and the provocation in England. Moreover, even in the person of Zakharova from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, we sometimes admit such mistakes, which is scary to say. We begin to assert that this never happened, that we did not have such a program, and that these were exceptional machinations of the West. Intrigues with provocation - yes, but to deny the obvious that such a BOV was developed in the USSR is stupid.

    I answered your question ??