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Destalinization will destroy Russia

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In Russia, they started talking again about de-Stalinization. Senator Narusova suggested equating the justification of Stalinism to the justification of Nazism. This is an attempt to destroy the entire Soviet past with the simultaneous demonization of Russia and the intensification of Russophobia in the West.


Senator Lyudmila Narusova said the intention to prepare a bill equating the justification of Stalinism with the justification of Nazism. “After what we were called for (Russian presidential candidate Maxim - Avt.) Suraykin, calling himself a Stalinist, honoring him, I believe that it is necessary, and in the near future I will come up with such legislative initiative to equate Stalin’s justification ", - said Narusova during a visit to the headquarters of her daughter, presidential candidate Ksenia Sobchak.

The senator recalled that in this election two people were “outspoken Stalinists” who called for a return to the USSR. “They talked about how they imagine it: the Baltic States, the Caucasus, Kazakhstan, it is clear that they will not run to the Soviet Union, which means there will be another war for the restoration of the Soviet Union,” said the senator. According to her, the people who stated this turned out to be outsiders on the preliminary results of the elections. Accordingly, it turns out that the supposedly overwhelming majority of the Russian population does not support Stalin’s policies and condemns it.

The de-Stalinization is a ban on Stalin’s positive characterization, a ban on mentioning the positive moments of the Stalin era, the desire to complete the de-Sovietization of the country, as already done in the Baltic countries, Ukraine, Georgia, etc. essence, and desovetizatsiyu) the desire to "reconcile society." They say, revolution, civil war and repression are long past. It is time for the citizens of Russia to abandon the "scoop", that is, on the Stalin era. It is necessary to give a political and legal assessment of the crimes of the Soviet era, to build memorials to victims of repression, deportations, totalitarianism. What is actively being done in the era of Yeltsin - Putin - Medvedev. The people must repent for the crimes of revolution, civil war, famine, collectivization, repression of 1920-1930-ies, etc. In this case, the church actively helps the liberals. Allegedly, without universal repentance, it is impossible to further develop the new Russia and its modernization, the unity of the people and the "elite", which is increasingly sympathetic to the orders of pre-revolutionary Russia, when everyone knew their place.

It is clear that the West is also very interested in this process. De-Stalinization and desovetizatsiyu held in the former countries of the socialist community, in the former republics of the collapsed Soviet Union. At the same time everywhere we see a sharp activation of Russophobia: hatred and fear of the Russian people and civilization. Russian and Soviet "crimes" unite, "Russian" and "Soviet" for the western man in the same place. Russia has been turned into a kind of “Russian Mordor”, which hangs over “civilized” Europe and the world through the efforts of Western media and politicians.

Why does Western and home-grown de-Stalinisers not give rest to the era of Stalin? The point is "repression"? When you begin to understand this question, you quickly find the answer: these are group, class, clan interests and goals, and the desire to remove obstacles to their realization with the help of the myths of “bloody Stalinism”. Under Stalin, he defeated the principle of social justice, began to create a society of service and creation. The man in this society was the creator, creator, served the great Motherland. Religions that divided people, nations, slowly died down and were replaced by the domination of the ethics of conscience. In the Soviet Union, they began to create a society of the future of all mankind, a society of the “golden age”, in which the oppression and parasitism of a small group of the “elect” is absent.

Obviously, this did not like social groups, classes, clans and individuals who were interested in maintaining the old order, when bourgeois capitalists, the "elite", small-town Khans-Bai, etc., can continue to exploit the broad masses of the people and stay on top of the “social pyramid”.

Also, Soviet civilization and society were hated by the masters of the West. The masters of the West since the times of Ancient Rome and Greece (in turn, leading the tradition of the slave-owning civilizations of the Ancient East and Egypt) create a global slave civilization, where society is clearly divided into caste strata of the “elect”, “masters of life”, their servants, including military mercenaries and intellectual servants and "two-legged weapons," slaves. The illusion of "democracy" has not changed anything. Only chains and dependence have become different - money, access to information, dependence on various dopemen, etc. This is not only a slaveholding, caste society, but also a consumer society, extermination and self-destruction. The West, like a huge cancer tumor, is devouring the planet, its resources, killing humanity. A man created in the image and likeness of God is suppressed, he is transformed into a two-legged cattle, a biomaterial.

Soviet (Russian) civilization offered a different image of the future. The conquest of space, going beyond the earth's cradle as the main path of human development. Healthy spiritually, intellectually and physically people. Suppression of parasitic needs, promotion of the healthy: physical culture, communication with nature (tourism), the reading nation, the people who are totally interested in chess, and much more. People are creators, creators, honest workers, serving their Fatherland. Therefore, the Soviet culture and showed the heroes of that era: scientists, teachers, pilots, soldiers, people of work, the foundation of society, those on which everything rests. Take for comparison the “heroes” of 1990 - 2000's: gangsters, prostitutes, acting actors, idols of pop culture (culture of decay), etc.

It is obvious that the Soviet civilization aroused interest throughout the world. Dozens of countries began to follow the path of creating a socialist, just society. The Western slave-holding “new” world order began to collapse. This terrified the owners of the West. They began to play a big game - the struggle for the place of the “king of the hill” on planet Earth. The masters of the West organized Hitler's “crusade”, giving the Nazis almost all of Europe, including France. Outside the "European Union" of Hitler, only England remained - one of the command posts of the Western project, and the country-banks, the caches of stolen goodness - Switzerland and Sweden. At the same time, London concluded a secret agreement with Hitler that “there will not be a second front until the Third Reich destroys the USSR. Then it will be possible to agree on a new world order, without the USSR-Russia already.

However, the Soviet Union defeated the “brown and black plague” - European fascism and Nazism, which were the most vivid embodiments of the ideals of the Western world. Hitler and his associates clearly showed the ideal of the Western project - the division of countries and peoples into "elected" and "elected" and servant countries (satellites) and colonies, "subhumans", "racially inferior." At present, this is clearly trying not to show, but the essence has not changed. There are countries of the “golden billion”, mainly Western states, the core of the capitalist system. For them to flourish, all of humanity works for them, from third world countries, semi-colonies pump out resources (including valuable workers). In the very “golden billion” there is a “brilliant million” - hundreds of families of billionaires and multimillionaires, who own most of the national wealth. Among them are the real masters of the West, who hide behind the cover of democracy. They nominate parsley jesters - presidents, prime ministers, ministers, governors, senators, deputies, mayors, etc. Official power is only the tip of the iceberg, the true pyramid of power and knowledge.

As a result, the majority of the population in Central and South America, Africa and Asia live in poverty or complete poverty. This same infernal world is being pushed by the peoples of the former USSR, where the overwhelming majority of people are doomed to poverty, or extinction and flight to the countries of the “golden billion”. The most vivid example: the formerly flourishing republic of the USSR is Ukraine, where the people are rapidly dying out and running to the West as servants. Attempts by non-Western countries to create a consumer society following the example of “developed countries” lead to the terrible destruction of the biosphere. The consumer society is killing the planet. In fact, it is a society of extermination and self-destruction. A person becomes a consumer, a “two-legged tool,” a slave to the system, the western matrix. His spiritual and intellectual needs are distorted and suppressed. After the destruction of the Soviet civilization, humanity stopped developing, involution, simplification and degradation began (including digital idiocy).

After the elimination of Stalin and the nomination of the latent Trotskyite Khrushchev, the masters of the West managed to begin de-Stalinization - the destruction of a just society in the USSR-Russia. The party-state elite, the process of decomposition of which Stalin restrained by repression and "rejuvenation of blood" of the elite, with the advancement of the best military, business executives, etc., frightened the Stalinist course. She was comfortable at the top of a powerful Olympus, she wanted stability, a “beautiful life” modeled on the Western rich. There was a desire to transform power into property, capital, profitable to attach children, wives, mistresses. And for this it was necessary to stop the development and destroy the society of service and creation, in which there was no place for social parasites, to “agree” with the West in order to become part of the world “elite”, to enter the global “pyramid”.

True, Khrushchev did not have time to complete the first "perestroika" -destalinization. Decomposition of the "elite" has just begun. Unreasoned decisions of Khrushchev led to destabilization, unpredictable destruction. Therefore, he was sent to retire. Brezhnev conserved the situation, retained the possibility of a scientific and technological breakthrough into the future space civilization. The second “perestroika” was launched under Gorbachev. Under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, the degenerate elite dismantled the Soviet project, the state. And people's property, wealth, was in the hands of a very small group of people. Thus, at present, 2-3% of the population of Russia own the overwhelming part of the country's national wealth and continue to withdraw capital to the West, since they consider themselves to be part of the Western capitalist system.

Destalinization will destroy Russia

"AND. V. Stalin and K. Ye. Voroshilov in the Kremlin. ” Painting by Soviet artist A. Gerasimov, created in 1938 year

It is worth noting that one of the main accusations towards Stalin is repression. But here you just have to figure it out, examine the true history and understand how they lied to us and continue to lie.

In 2000 — 2010-s there appeared quite a few serious and unbiased studies of even the Stalinist studies of the Stalin period in general and the struggle for power and repression in particular. They present a completely different picture than what Khrushchev portrayed at the 20th and 22nd CPSU congresses, Solzhenitsyn in the Gulag Archipelago, professional propagandists in the West, Soviet dissidents, as well as perestroika anti-Sovietists, Russian liberals-Westerners and the democratic public after 1991.

For example, a good analysis of the problem of the Stalin era in general and of repression in particular can be noted in the works of Y. Mukhin, I. Pykhalov, A. Martirosyan, S. Kara-Murza, Y. Zhukov, etc. What can be identified in these work? First, Khrushchev, Solzhenitsyn and other liars greatly exaggerated the scale of the repressions - there were no tens of millions killed and repressed. This lie continues today.

Secondly, people are not informed that a significant part of the repression was justified by the current situation. There was indeed a powerful “fifth column” in the country - hidden Trotskyists, military conspirators (followers of Tukhachevsky), traitors in the depths of special services (including the leaders of the NKVD G. Yagodu and N. Yezhov), Ukrainian and Baltic Nazis, Basmachi in Central Asia, etc. They were just waiting for the moment when the West would launch an invasion in order to raise a rebellion inside the country, to break it apart. Just before the war, it was possible to neutralize most of the "fifth column". As a result, Hitler and his armada were met not by a loose colossus, as was expected in the West, but by a steel monolith. No large-scale uprisings and riots in the rear. Already under the heel of the invaders, traitors raised their heads in the Baltic States, in Ukraine, in the Crimea, but the scale was much smaller than our enemies had expected.

Thirdly, repression is part of any state apparatus. For example, in the current United States there is such a powerful repressive-punitive machine that the Stalinist apparatus for the suppression of hostile, subversive forces clearly loses the American one.

To be continued ...
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  1. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 20 March 2018 05: 53
    +94
    It is not surprising from Narusova and Sobchak to hear such a thing ... Such as I. Stalin directly, without tolerant liberalistic freaks, he called the People's Enemies! And as History has shown, he was right a thousand times, therefore they are still pecking him!
    But something tells me that it will not work for them, the vaccine has already been vaccinated against this evil spirits!
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 20 March 2018 06: 03
      +78
      For me, an anti-adviser is akin to a traitor! That's how they raised me ....
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        1. Lantau
          Lantau 20 March 2018 07: 02
          +25
          Dear, how many party leaders had yachts, palaces, bills ?!
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 08: 07
            +8
            Only one Dzhugashvili had about 20 "State cottages", quite comparable with the palaces. True, formally they belonged to the "state", but in reality they were used by one person. http://m.diletant.media/excursions/37757056/
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 20 March 2018 08: 13
              +65
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              formally they belonged to the "state", but in reality they were used by one person. http://m.diletant.media/excursions/37757056/

              Not formally! He could not bequeath them to his heirs, which means they did not belong to him.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 08: 24
                +7
                Quote: Cube123
                He could not bequeath them to his heirs, which means they did not belong to him.

                I could not bequeath directly. But he could calmly sign the order for transfer to life-long use. Here it is necessary to look not at the form, but at the essence. Despite the formal “restrictions,” Dzhugashvili exercised all the rights of the owner with respect to these dachas.
                1. Cube123
                  Cube123 20 March 2018 08: 26
                  +70
                  Which of Stalin’s relatives received something for life? Tell me. I do not know such.
                  1. For example
                    For example 20 March 2018 09: 01
                    +61
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    Only Dzhugashvili had about 20 “State dachas” ...

                    The zombies on this site are all the time. What good would say, so no need to certainly dump the crap about our country.
                    Lovers of shit, would you all go where it comes from.

                    On Stalin, Russia did not nudge and did not end on it. Stalin is only one of the leaders. NOT under Stalin, the West began aggression against Russia. And he did not end the aggression even after the death of Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev ...

                    So that everyone who hates Russia, people living in our country, the rulers of our country, go all in w ..... pu !!!

                    Narusova, why didn’t you introduce the law about Gorbachev? After all, he is worse than Hitler for Russia. Gorbachev did what Hitler could not - destroyed the USSR.
                    1. nov_tech.vrn
                      nov_tech.vrn 20 March 2018 12: 56
                      +19
                      to the question of cons, this "lieutenant ..." grows like a substance yeast
                      1. Anti-Corr.
                        Anti-Corr. 20 March 2018 15: 36
                        0
                        Quote: nov_tech.vrn
                        to the question of cons, this "lieutenant ..." grows like a substance yeast

                        the ears grow from some kind of marshal laughing
                    2. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 20 March 2018 15: 20
                      +10
                      Gorbachev did what Hitler could not - destroyed the USSR.
                      Yeltsin for sure, had a hand in the destruction of the country, but the Yeltsin Center was built for him.
                    3. Imobile
                      Imobile 22 March 2018 10: 37
                      +1
                      Our officials at all times did not differ in nationality, it is in Europe that you can meet an official traveling in a bus. With us, they always, even from a small rank, bend their fingers. In the USSR, only officials had Mercedes and a line to warehouses with imported goods. But the collapse of the USSR-this is the greatest victory of the Russian people! We have thrown off our obligations to pay tribute to the republics that were just spitting, instead of gratitude
                  2. Monster_Fat
                    Monster_Fat 20 March 2018 10: 37
                    +31
                    Which of Stalin’s relatives received something for life? Tell me. I do not know such.

                    Well, this is a modern technique among liberals around the world — an accusation based on the “likelihood” of “committing” —that is, the accused is accused on the basis of not “direct action” and “fait accompli, proven fact”, but on the basis that he “was going to” , “could”, “maybe”, etc. Mr. Teterin is a lawyer and he worships “civilized” countries, for example, Great Britain, where, in his opinion, everything is “honest and right.” Now, in this same UK, another farce is being played out with unsubstantiated accusations of the whole state of "deliberate chemical attack", the entire evidence base comes down to the phrase: "with a high degree of probability" ...
                    1. Lieutenant Teterin
                      Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 11: 01
                      +4
                      Good lord, I:
                      1) not a liberal.
                      2) I really appreciate the rule of law and respect for inalienable human rights.
                      3) the witch hunt, which is now unfolding in the European Union and Britain in particular, I look with regret and contempt at the same time. As well as the general degradation of legal institutions in modern Europe.
                      1. NordUral
                        NordUral 20 March 2018 14: 44
                        +9
                        You, hardworking friend, feel sorry for Europe, so you are not at the right place.
                  3. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 10: 58
                    +2
                    Quote: Cube123
                    Which of Stalin’s relatives received something for life? Tell me. I do not know such.

                    Trite did not have time. Companions in the party sent him to the High Court before he could do anything. His daughter, I remember trying to claim the money found in the safe, but the "party comrades" did not give her this.
                    1. Lantau
                      Lantau 20 March 2018 11: 19
                      +33
                      Svetlana herself told you about the money?) And one more thing, how do you know what Stalin was going to or was not going to do ?! Can you penetrate the thoughts of a long dead person ?!
                      1. NordUral
                        NordUral 20 March 2018 14: 41
                        +16
                        Trolls know everything that the State Department allows.
                  4. Koshak
                    Koshak 20 March 2018 18: 23
                    +11
                    These cottages next to the "new Russian" mansions look pale ... repeat
                2. Rey_ka
                  Rey_ka 20 March 2018 08: 47
                  +31
                  Perhaps he could but did not! This is now with us a man who can steal a billion but according to the concepts of morality and principles does not steal is called an idiot. And then it was in the order of things. They also managed to punish the robbers of socialist property!
                3. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 20 March 2018 08: 59
                  +11
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  Quote: Cube123
                  He could not bequeath them to his heirs, which means they did not belong to him.

                  I could not bequeath directly. But he could calmly sign the order for transfer to life-long use. Here it is necessary to look not at the form, but at the essence. Despite the formal “restrictions,” Dzhugashvili exercised all the rights of the owner with respect to these dachas.

                  Well, at least I signed such an order then? wink
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 11: 02
                    +4
                    See above. Trite did not have time. Like all dictators, he thought that he would live a very long time, due to the fact that frightened accomplices-party members would protect him like the apple of an eye. Miscalculated.
                    1. Monster_Fat
                      Monster_Fat 20 March 2018 11: 13
                      +20
                      Well, yes, "did not have time." I see it right: I was sitting there, saying: “Like, as I die, then pass all mine to my children ... And to him-” so it would be necessary to write a will so that it was all “rank by rank” .. Stalin- “not ... then I’ll write ... but what a trifle with summer cottages ... I’ll write off the whole country to the children ... "But I didn’t have time, I didn’t have time to be heart-dead ...
                    2. naidas
                      naidas 20 March 2018 12: 52
                      +25
                      Yes, it turns out that you didn’t have time, Lenin, Stalin didn’t, Khrushchev didn’t, Brezhnev didn’t (so he gave a couple of apartments to his relatives), others didn’t have enough time either.
                      But Yeltsin had already succeeded, and seemed to have lived in power for a dozen years, unlike Stalin.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 13: 11
                        +18
                        Quote: naidas
                        But Yeltsin had already succeeded, and seemed to have lived in power for a dozen years, unlike Stalin.

                        provided that the drunk in power was less, but already grabbed so grabbed
                      2. alex86
                        alex86 20 March 2018 21: 44
                        +5
                        The main thing is that Putin, having seen enough, as before they didn’t, had time. Now, let’s not worry how poor he is, after the galleys and with an empty pocket - it’s true that with a lifelong possession of Russia it’s not essential, but how he’ll fold back everything that the “companions have gained overwork” will quickly tear apart - sorry, I won’t see - up to 24 years in prese (Skomorokhov, how can I continue without warning lol ?) dents (not to be considered an advertisement for toothpaste), then the Chairman of the State Council for two presidential terms - that is, up to 36 years old, I’m 74 by then, maybe I won’t live so long, and I don’t want to see so much trampled on, crushed country. ..
                    3. Dart
                      Dart 20 March 2018 13: 01
                      +3
                      Significantly, Rzhevsky, you are only a couple of people here plus, or even not at all plus. Indicative, indicative.
                    4. Bakht
                      Bakht 20 March 2018 16: 36
                      +25
                      Mr. Teterin.
                      The question is how many dachas did Comrade use. Stalin? You wrote 20. Is there a list? Or chatter.
                      About the money. According to the memoirs of contemporaries, comrade Stalin received a salary, which he received in an envelope from the Ministry of Finance Zverev. They put her in a safe and nobody used them. At the end of the year, Stalin called Zverev and spoke, pointing to the safe, "take what is there"
                      True, at the end of her life, according to the memories of Alliluyev, he sometimes allowed her to take as much as needed from the safe.
                      As for the personality of Stalin, they said well in the West when Khrushchev began de-Stalinization
                      "Khrushchev is the only person in the world who began to fight the dead. And he lost!"
                      Hope everyone else loses too
                    5. andrej-shironov
                      andrej-shironov 20 March 2018 17: 56
                      +1
                      wink And if you didn’t have time, how did you find out?
                    6. Stanislas
                      Stanislas 20 March 2018 18: 32
                      +5
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      Like all dictators, he thought that he would live a very long time, due to the fact that frightened accomplices-party members would protect him like the apple of an eye.
                      Do all dictators intimidate their surroundings so that they protect them like the apple of an eye? I doubt that even one of the dictators has succeeded in such a trick. Strange they logics. It’s very strange ... Showered with gold - no matter where you go, but you didn’t showered with it, but kept it tight in tone.
                4. andj61
                  andj61 20 March 2018 11: 06
                  +11
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  Quote: Cube123
                  He could not bequeath them to his heirs, which means they did not belong to him.

                  I could not bequeath directly. But he could calmly sign the order for transfer to life-long use. Here it is necessary to look not at the form, but at the essence. Despite the formal “restrictions,” Dzhugashvili exercised all the rights of the owner with respect to these dachas.

                  He could not sell them, bequeath them - generally dispose of them. He exclusively used these dachas, but neither owned nor disposed of them. So that the owner’s rights in relation to state. property is not implemented.
                  1. Monster_Fat
                    Monster_Fat 20 March 2018 12: 06
                    +31
                    Who do you say this to ... all these "king-men" are haunted by the fact that Stalin was buried in the same "tunic" (figuratively speaking), and Svetlanka then complained all her life, saying that the "father" did not allow her to "show off" I didn’t even give chocolate candies to my peers, like you eat it yourself, but do not drag it anywhere ... but how could you have the maids of honor, your “departure”, balls, cavalry guards, crunch of French rolls, etc. .. No, it’s even silver Stalin to wrap in the direction of his additional "exposure" ...
                5. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 20 March 2018 11: 27
                  +2
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  Here you need to look not at the form, but to the point.

                  That's it: the point is not in the cottages!

                  The essence of the author here:
                  After eliminate Stalin and the nomination of the hidden Trotskyist Khrushchev, the masters of the West managed to begin de-Stalinization - the destruction of a just society in the USSR-Russia. Party and state elite, process decomposition which Stalin held back repression and "Rejuvenation of blood" the elite with the advancement of the best military, business executives, etc., scared Stalinist course.

                  How could the HIGH leadership of the country ... "decay" ?! belay These were proven Bolsheviks with Pre-revolutionary! times! How long, during 30 years. they hid their rotten gut! angry Or were they already “decomposed” in the 30s, already under .... Stalin ?! request
                  By the way, the method of "rejuvenation" is interesting: 70% of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of the 17th Congress received a bullet in the back of the head and remained "forever young." yes

                  But this, again, is not the main thing: the author says that Stalin was PERSONALLY engaged in
                  upward top military, business executives
                  . Those. were the most selective of the best (especially after "rejuvenation"). How are they his nominees, became .... right after his death, Trotskyists? belay Wrong? Yes and ALL powerful party, as one, allegedly, went after Stalin, and won .... miserable Khrushchev-Trotskyists?
                  recourse Where share (disappeared) Millions of convinced invincible StalinistsAs were they able to offend and push back the long-terrified cowardly Trotskyists? request That is a question of questions ....

                  Don't you know, Lieutenant? hi
                  1. Rakti-kali
                    Rakti-kali 20 March 2018 15: 28
                    +10
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    How did THEY, his nominees, become .... right after his death, Trotskyists?

                    For those who like to distort, I’ll remind you that after Stalin’s death in the USSR there was a small coup d'etat and the Trotskyist Khrushchev (yes, the very one who “calm down”) of all close and personally loyal associates of Stalin whom he shot and whom he transplanted. Well, then he began to "debunk the cult of the personality of Stalin." The truth is not from honesty and truthfulness, but solely for the purpose of replacing Khrushchev with a personality cult.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 20 March 2018 16: 07
                      +5
                      Quote: Rakti-Kali
                      For those who like to distort, I’ll remind you that after Stalin’s death in the USSR there was a small coup d'etat and the Trotskyist Khrushchev (yes, the very one who “calm down”) of all close and personally loyal associates of Stalin whom he shot and whom he transplanted.

                      At the Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU on October 16, 1952, it was approved and elected Bureau of the Presidium of the Central Committee CPSU, composede 9 people: L.P. Beria, N.A. Bulganin, K.E. Voroshilov, L.M. Kaganovich, G.M. Malenkov, M.G. Pervukhin, M.3. Saburov, I.V. Stalin, N.S. Khrushchev.
                      only Beria was spanked. The rest of his nominees from the Politburo are all Trotskyists ?! ALL traitors? belay
                      And .... the Stalinists-WHERE, kuda have millions of invincible Stalinists gone ?! belay request
                      HOW did they offend and push Trotsky cowards and where? .... recourse request
                      1. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 20 March 2018 16: 56
                        +8
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        only Beria was spanked. The rest of his nominees from the Politburo are all Trotskyists ?! ALL traitors?

                        Further, Stalin said that the Plenum needed to solve the organizational question - to choose the governing bodies of the party. He proposed, instead of the Politburo, to elect the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee in a significantly expanded composition and the Secretariat of the CPSU Central Committee. The election procedure was quite specific. Stalin, taking a piece of paper from his jacket, said: “For example, such comrades — comrade Stalin, comrade Andrianov, comrade Aristov, comrade Beria, comrade Bulganin, comrade Voroshilov, comrade Ignatiev, comrade Kaganovich, could be elected to the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU; Comrade Korotchenko, Comrade Kuznetsov, Comrade Kuusinen, Comrade Malenkov, Comrade Malyshev, Comrade Melnikov, Comrade Mikoyan, Comrade Mikhailov, Comrade Molotov, Comrade Pervukhin, Comrade Ponomarenko, Comrade Saburov, Comrade Suslov, omrade Khrushchev, Comrade Chesnokov, Shvernika comrade, companion Shkiryatov ". I read out candidates for membership in the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee, including Comrade Brezhnev, Comrade Vyshinsky, Comrade Zverev, Comrade Ignatov, Comrade Kabanov, Comrade Kosygin, Comrade Patolichev, Comrade Pegov, Comrade Puzanov, Comrade Tevosyan, Comrade Yudin. Then Stalin took another piece of paper from the side pocket of his jacket and said: “Now about the Central Committee Secretariat. One could elect [c. 586] by the secretaries of the Central Committee, for example, such comrades - Comrade Stalin, Comrade Aristov, Comrade Brezhnev, Comrade Ignatov, Comrade Malenkov, Comrade Mikhailov, Comrade Pegov, Comrade Ponomarenko, Comrade Suslov, Comrade Khrushchev. " In total, Stalin proposed 36 people to the Presidium and the Secretariat of the Central Committee. He emphasized: “The list includes all members of the Politburo of the old composition, except Andreev. Regarding the respected comrade Andreev, everything is clear: completely deaf, hears nothing, cannot work. Let it be treated. ”

                        A voice from a place: We must elect Comrade Stalin as Secretary General of the CPSU Central Committee.

                        Stalin: No! Release me from the duties of Secretary General of the Central Committee of the CPSU and Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR.

                        G.M. Malenkov on the podium: Comrades! We must all unanimously and unanimously ask Comrade Stalin, our leader and teacher, to continue to be the General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee.

                        Supported this proposal and L.P. Beria.

                        Stalin on the podium: No applause is needed at the Plenum of the Central Committee. It is necessary to solve issues without emotions, in a businesslike way. And I ask you to release me from the duties of the Secretary General of the CPSU Central Committee and the Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR. I'm already old. I do not read papers. Choose another secretary for yourself.

                        S.K. Tymoshenko: Comrade Stalin, people will not understand this. We all, as one, elect you as our leader — the Secretary General of the CPSU Central Committee. There can be no other solution.

                        Everyone standing warmly applauding, supporting Tymoshenko. Stalin stood for a long time and looked into the hall, then he waved his hand and sat down.
                        Efremov Leonid Nikolaevich - delegate of the XIX Congress of the CPSU
                        Disassemble the same personalities. all the more with such ... such ... in general, like you, I’m not going to, I don’t want to bother about the aniso-veteran, bulcohrust and xenopathriot.
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 21 March 2018 10: 49
                      0
                      Quote: Rakti-Kali
                      Further, Stalin said that the Plenum needed to solve the organizational issue - to choose governing bodies.

                      Why this one stolen You another's sheet?
                      Say something they wanted? belay request
                      Quote: Rakti-Kali
                      Disassemble same personalities. all the more with such ... such ... in general, like you, I’m not going to, I don’t want to bother about the aniso-veteran, bulcohrust and xenopathriot.

                      You cannot answer ANYTHING. But the question was simple: WHERE did the millions of Bolshevik-Stalinists go, and how did the miserable contemptible Trotskyists defeat them?
                      Quote: Rakti-Kali
                      don't want to get dirty

                      You are already head over heels: for starters, even if you STEAL someone else's stop
                6. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 12: 14
                  +7
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  Dzhugashvili exercised all the rights of the owner with respect to these dachas.

                  fool
                7. hhhhhhh
                  hhhhhhh 20 March 2018 13: 05
                  +8
                  Where do the grandchildren of Stalin Brezhnev enjoy state purchases?
                8. Tula gingerbread
                  Tula gingerbread 20 March 2018 16: 06
                  +4
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  I could not bequeath directly. But he could calmly sign the order for transfer to life-long use.

                  Could not.
                9. ellada
                  ellada 20 March 2018 17: 12
                  +13
                  What are you all delving into cottages, in yachts .... ??? Why do not you see the main ?? Pettiness doesn’t give you peace ?? And the fact that thanks to Stalin Russia and not only got rid of the brown plague is this unfamiliar to you ?? The fact that in such difficult years, Stalin raised the country, is this also unfamiliar to you ?? And he was constantly disturbed by such evil-minded elements as Narusova and her notorious daughter Sobchak. At that time, such elements inserted sticks into the wheels, and now they are doing this, interfering with the normal development of the country. They are willing to lie down to the west with pleasure.
                10. boboss
                  boboss 20 March 2018 19: 12
                  +4
                  ... but for the cordon of the ruble did not withdraw
                11. Sorokin
                  Sorokin 20 March 2018 19: 50
                  +1
                  Well, what is the kid? Lawyer Fuck go work in coal for at least 5 years. After we can talk about a prostitute
                12. demo
                  demo 20 March 2018 23: 11
                  +5
                  Between could and made a long distance trip!
                  Do not find?
                  Could Dzhugashvili declare his son (Vasily or Yakov) heir?
                  Could! And they would accept. (Kim Dynasty in North Korea).
                  But didn’t.
                  So you need to carefully with the essence, so that the form does not suffer.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 23: 32
                    0
                    Quote: demo
                    Could! And they would accept. (Kim Dynasty in North Korea).
                    But didn’t.

                    maybe in vain?
                13. gippernano
                  gippernano 21 March 2018 10: 12
                  +4
                  This rich man was buried in darned boots, because there were no others, but Senator Narusova with his fascist manners will not work
                14. free
                  free 21 March 2018 11: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  Quote: Cube123
                  He could not bequeath them to his heirs, which means they did not belong to him.

                  I could not bequeath directly. But he could calmly sign the order for transfer to life-long use. Here it is necessary to look not at the form, but at the essence. Despite the formal “restrictions,” Dzhugashvili exercised all the rights of the owner with respect to these dachas.

                  And you stood nearby and everyone heard and recorded everything, right? And now you will certainly tell us in detail what, when and to whom. Sing a flower, don't be ashamed.
              2. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 20 March 2018 08: 32
                +18
                Senator Lyudmila Narusova announced her intention to prepare a bill on equating the justification of Stalinism with the justification of Nazism.

                It seemed to Narusova that she was envious that her daughter was flickering on TV screens. And in order to remind herself of herself, she blurted out such nonsense in the spirit of her daughter, non-resident. In this case, it looks like "an apple tree near fallen apples is growing!" And this senator is likely to expect the same "success" as her daughter - not to be her senator next time.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 20 March 2018 09: 42
                  +8
                  In fact, Alexander, regarding Ksyu, the results are alarming.
                  Moscawa --- 4,08%
                  Moscow Region ---- 2,13%
                  Saint Petersburg ---- 4,33%
                  Svedlovskaya obl. - 2,12%
                  Sakhalin ---- 1,69%
                  Kirovskaya ---- 1,67%
                  Crimea ---- 1,65%
                  Sevastopol ---- 1,27% ...... Well, further in descending order. What's alarming. The fact that these are voices oooooochen non-poor people. Also, Moscow, Moscow region, St. Petersburg are the most populated places of the Russian Federation where funds are concentrated.
                  But in Dagestan she has 0,26%! And Putin has 90,77% in Dagestan. In Crimea, the GDP is 92,15%. In Sevastopol, Putin has 90,19%
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 20 March 2018 10: 24
                    +8
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    In fact, Alexander, regarding Ksyu, the results are alarming.

                    She definitely "clocked up the counter."
                    1. andj61
                      andj61 20 March 2018 11: 27
                      +14
                      Quote: Spade
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      In fact, Alexander, regarding Ksyu, the results are alarming.

                      She definitely "clocked up the counter."

                      One and a half percent is a little more than a statistical error. Someone is a fan of House-2, someone is just for fun. On the network since Sunday morning there were photos of the ballot paper in which they voted for Sobchak and with an additional signature: "Ksenia, I’m fucking with you." Prokhorov six years ago scored nearly 8%, even Mironov then almost 4% - now nobody remembers about them. So such a result of Ksenia and even less with Yavlinsky is a deafening failure of the liberals. hi
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 20 March 2018 11: 32
                        +2
                        Quote: andj61
                        One and a half percent is a little more than a statistical error.

                        Nevertheless, for the one that conducted the company with the task of getting as few votes as possible, this is too much.
                      2. Imobile
                        Imobile 22 March 2018 10: 58
                        +1
                        The results, despite the fraud, are very close to real. The question is why did you vote so? Now we’ll cry that the government is stealing; it’s not doing anything useful. Now we are 60 years behind the United States in terms of living standards; according to forecasts, this gap will widen in 20 years, despite the fact that it is always easier to catch up. Hooray comrades!
                    2. T.G.I.
                      T.G.I. 20 March 2018 21: 47
                      +1
                      Not necessarily, most likely she gained due to the high% who voted for her in the UK and France.
                  2. Alexey R
                    Alexey R 20 March 2018 10: 28
                    +2
                    The results are disturbing for Ksyushadi, but for normal people there is no reason to worry.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 20 March 2018 12: 03
                      +12
                      Quote: Alexey R
                      The results are disturbing for Ksyushadi, but for normal people there is no reason to worry.
                      Reasons to worry ---- huge ---- so many traitors and liberals claiming to be.
                  3. Moore
                    Moore 20 March 2018 10: 30
                    +7
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    .What is disturbing. The fact that these are voices oooooochen non-poor people.

                    Talks a little. Ksyushad is voted not so much "ooooooooo well" as the office plankton - consumers of "House-2".
                    I consider the results of voting in GB to be indicative: for Putin - about 52%, for Sobchak - 23,3%.
                    For Putin - the best result in this gadyushnik, for the representative of the libero-ops - the result is devastating, worse has never happened.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 20 March 2018 11: 59
                      +4
                      Quote: Moore
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      .What is disturbing. The fact that these are voices oooooochen non-poor people.

                      Talks a little. Ksyushad is voted not so much "oooooochen poor" as office plankton - consumers of "House-2" ..
                      I think the viewers of HOUSE 2 did not go to vote at all. But regarding Moscow, its region, St. Petersburg, as I quoted the numbers, I mean a lot. And how are you, Moore ---- it's disgusting. Debilization is simple. It is disgusting that "" give Crimea "". And also, for example, there is an abomination in the program to allow women to those professions that are prohibited by a separate list. Type of equality. But actually, who will go into these hardest forbidden professions? It’s not her girlfriends and not those who change sex. It will turn out, women from the poorest regions will go. After those professions, their children will never be born at all !!!!!
                      In other comments, I wrote that the population of Tyva is commensurate with the size of individual regions of St. Petersburg. Somehow, liberals who came in large numbers managed to crawl through !!!!
                      1. Moore
                        Moore 20 March 2018 15: 17
                        +2
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        And how are you, Moore ---- it's disgusting.

                        Explain what nasty I did?
                    2. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 20 March 2018 16: 04
                      +2
                      Quote: Moore
                      I consider the results of voting in GB to be indicative: for Putin - about 52%, for Sobchak - 23,3%. For Putin - the best result in this gadyushnik, for the representative of the libero-ops - the result is devastating, worse has never happened.
                      you see, Andrey, you just gave the number 23,3%. Notice, I do not dispute it, because the calculations are carried out according to different parameters. My numbers of 4% are also an abomination, as is yours, in fact. So, so many people want the most ordinary slavery for Russia. Here's what, neither you nor I did anything vile, citing these figures. Why hide your head in the sand !? SIMPLY, the comment is already difficult to arrange.
                      1. Moore
                        Moore 20 March 2018 19: 10
                        +4
                        I do not see anything tragic or abominable in this. 23% for England for the liberops is a failure, not a tragedy, considering who is eating up there now.
                        4% for Moscow time are those hipsters who are dragging themselves from Buzova, Ksyushadi and generally against everything. Like, Putin took their childhood from them. Yes the bolt on them at all is a statistical error.
                  4. Victor Red
                    Victor Red 20 March 2018 11: 45
                    +2
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    In fact, with regard to Xu, the results are alarming.

                    I agree, especially when you consider that the GDP itself is "the nestling of Sobchakov’s nest."
                  5. Vania
                    Vania 20 March 2018 18: 50
                    0
                    "Sobchak" - read "against all"
                  6. boboss
                    boboss 20 March 2018 19: 13
                    0
                    % will be even higher ... if you open house2 on all channels
                2. nov_tech.vrn
                  nov_tech.vrn 20 March 2018 13: 05
                  +2
                  Narusova is still that substance, and it does not sink, and after all, someone else is holding it in the legislative assembly
                  1. Romulus
                    Romulus 20 March 2018 13: 17
                    +5
                    Quote: nov_tech.vrn
                    but someone else is holding her in the legislative assembly

                    I’ll tell you a secret - anyway, they don’t tell you about it on TV, only you agreed? Putin V.V.
                    Py s Do you have internet? lol
                    1. nov_tech.vrn
                      nov_tech.vrn 20 March 2018 19: 41
                      0
                      what about the fact that the brain cannot burp? from the internet or where else? Putin is god and omnipotent only among the Hohländers
                      1. Romulus
                        Romulus 21 March 2018 03: 23
                        0
                        Quote: nov_tech.vrn
                        what about the fact that the brain cannot burp? from the internet or where else?

                        Got it, and we’ll write no Internet, tokmo tilivizir.
            2. badens1111
              badens1111 20 March 2018 08: 26
              +6
              The amateur .. well, a very "honest and informed" source .. and even the interpretation from the amateur, regarding the provision of the highest statesmen, causes a laugh at all.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 11: 07
                +2
                I do not like this source, look at others — the information is the same everywhere.
                Quote: badens1111
                provision of the highest statesmen and at all causes laughter.

                Does the fact that during the period of famine and the purchase of machine tools and technologies for industry the state spends huge amounts on the construction of summer houses for the head of state make you laugh?
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 20 March 2018 15: 35
                  +15
                  You have a laugh
                  These passages about hunger were swallowed well in the late 80s. Now other examples. Ducks of Medvedev, Shuvalov Palace ...
                2. badens1111
                  badens1111 20 March 2018 15: 48
                  +15
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  It makes you laugh

                  It makes me laugh, your lies.
                  Likewise, I am laughed at by the absolute amateurish view of the moment that the head of the country cannot accept an ambassador, for example, Poland, in a coat, you can, Stalin and any other thinking and competent ruler, no.
                3. Stanislas
                  Stanislas 20 March 2018 19: 12
                  +4
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  the state spends huge amounts on the construction of cottages for the head of state
                  Are there specific numbers that strike your mind? Or did they themselves add up the enormity of these sums in order to at least somehow belittle Stalin? And he was resting in the country house at Beria - also a type of bribe ...
            3. NordUral
              NordUral 20 March 2018 09: 25
              +10
              You have a strange notion of palaces, Lieutenant.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 11: 03
                +2
                And you look at the photo of these cottages. They are no different from palaces.
                1. Thompson
                  Thompson 20 March 2018 11: 31
                  +27
                  And you, good-looking lieutenant, look at what sanatoriums, rest houses, boarding houses FOR REST OF SIMPLE PEOPLE he built !!!
                  These were really palaces !!!
                  In general, you are simply a liar provocateur and a falsifier of facts.
                  I see there, not here, I don’t know anything there, but the fantasy is richly unhealthy, I’ll guess
                  why do I need truth, I wonder as I want ..... Rzhevsky in a word
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 20 March 2018 12: 37
                    +18
                    Quote: Thompson
                    And you, good-looking lieutenant, look at what sanatoriums, rest houses, boarding houses FOR REST OF SIMPLE PEOPLE he built !!!
                    These were really palaces !!!
                    In general, you are simply a liar provocateur and a falsifier of facts.
                    I see there, not here, I don’t know anything there, but the fantasy is richly unhealthy, I’ll guess
                    why do I need truth, I wonder as I want ..... Rzhevsky in a word

                    Ha! About 80% of users on the VO website voted 17.03.2018 for the return of the minuses.
                    Here administrators will introduce minuses - and Lieutenant Teterin, as a "enemy of the people and anti-Soviet" of a liberal sense, will fly away into the "skulls"! On this other users will say goodbye to him!
                    1. K.A.S.
                      K.A.S. 20 March 2018 13: 17
                      +1
                      and what good is it that will fly away into the skulls? If you do not use the cons, then in a few years on the site, Stalin's fans will be in less time! and although they somehow support them, although the result will be the same. just a little longer!
                      when users say goodbye to him, then there will be a monotonous swamp with predictable discussions!
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 20 March 2018 13: 28
                        +6
                        Quote: K.A.S.
                        and what good is it that will fly away into the skulls? If you do not use the cons, then in a few years on the site, Stalin's fans will be in less 7! and although they somehow support them, although the result will be the same. just a little longer!
                        when users say goodbye to him, then there will be a monotonous swamp with predictable discussions!

                        I, too, was against the cons. I just just gave an example of a case in a polemic for their use in minus.
                        Unfortunately, at the same time, I did not have time to complete my thought against the restoration of the minuses, since the time comment window for introducing changes and additions has already been closed. Namely.
                        The stubborn Enemies of the Motherland - all kinds of IDEALISTS there - "bakers" - people should know by sight! With them, we would have lost Russia already in WWI.
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 13: 55
                        +5
                        it’s IMPOSSIBLE to remove the skull, it’s just an attitude
                      3. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 20 March 2018 16: 09
                        +4
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        it’s IMPOSSIBLE to remove the skull, it’s just an attitude

                        The practice of using minuses for epaulettes showed that a user with "skulls" on epaulettes, in the end, will leave the forum himself! And left! Few persistently out of the "skulls" out.
                        And so, of course, the admins never kicked anyone out of the “VO” site for “skulls” on the shoulder straps of the user. Everything was democratic.
                  2. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 13: 08
                    +2
                    Quote: Thompson
                    sanatoriums, rest houses, boarding houses FOR REST OF SIMPLE PEOPLE !!!

                    Compared to the interiors of Dzhugashvilev cottages, these holiday homes look .... barracks, to say the least.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 13: 56
                      +6
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      Compared to the interiors of Dzhugashvilev cottages

                      can you compare photos?
                    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 14: 03
                      +6
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      Compared to the interiors of Dzhugashvilev cottages, these holiday homes look .... barracks, to say the least.

                      Stalin's dacha

                      today's ruble
                      1. Stanislas
                        Stanislas 20 March 2018 20: 04
                        +4
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Stalin's dacha
                        I was not at the cottage, but I was in the bunker (Samara), I saw an office for the commander-in-chief ... The privateer in the SA more often had more luxurious apartments.
                    3. ellada
                      ellada 20 March 2018 17: 28
                      +12
                      Oh, how Stalin is not enough for people like you, Lieutenant, and for all the Narusovs !!!
                    4. Thompson
                      Thompson 12 May 2018 23: 36
                      0
                      The hut with the letter “d” is in your Teterivine (this is for a better understanding of your Dzhugashvilevsky!) Head. Nothing personal, just a fact!
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 12: 13
                  +13
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  And you look at the photo of these cottages

                  I think that those apartments and summer cottages in which the leaders of the USSR lived for modern nouveau riche are not suitable even for sheds
            4. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 March 2018 10: 34
              +2
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Dzhugashvili alone had about 20 “State summer cottages"Comparable to palaces

              The whole country was at his disposal.

              And the methods of creating a "society of service and creation" are clearly, officially and legally condemned by the STATE in a number of documents.
              In the Decree of the Supreme Council of the USSR of January 16.01.1989, XNUMX:
              .
              Condemn extrajudicial mass repressions of the period of Stalinism, declare unconstitutional the “troika” of the NKVD — UNKVD, colleges of the OGPU and the “special meetings” of the NKVD — MGB — the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, which were in force in the 30s and 40s and early 50s, and annul the extrajudicial decisions made by them,

              From the Decree of the USSR Armed Forces on March 7.03.91, XNUMX:
              1. Repeal acts of the supreme bodies of state power of the USSR, which served as the basis for the illegal forcible resettlement of certain peoples from places of permanent residence, the restriction of the rights of citizens of these peoples

              Law RF from 18 October 1991
              "On the rehabilitation of victims of political repressionth says
              "During the years of Soviet power millions of people have become victims arbitrariness of a totalitarian state repression for political and religious beliefs, on social, national and other grounds.

              Condemning the years of terror and the mass persecution of their people as incompatible with the idea of ​​law and justice, the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation expresses deep sympathy for the victims of unjustified repressions, their relatives and friends, declares a steady desire to seek real guarantees of the rule of law and human rights.

              Rehabilitation commissions work., Compensation is paid.

              Respect and comply Russian legislation is necessary.
              1. asher
                asher 20 March 2018 11: 02
                +21
                It was good to talk about law and justice, behind a nuclear shield, with huge reserves of proven minerals, with developed industry and science, and some agriculture. All this would have been impossible without the leadership of the country by Stalin. In the 20s and 30s, the situation and resources were completely different, and our liberals with shit-ridden blue eyes do not take this into account. It is better for them to speculate about the American depression and its victims.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 20 March 2018 12: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: asher
                  Was good reason about law and justice

                  This is not "reasoning", but a LEGAL assessment of the STATE in the form of LAWS of Russia.
                  Obey the Laws. Do not like it, try to change, at least through the election.
                  But it doesn’t work and it doesn’t work hi
                  1. naidas
                    naidas 20 March 2018 13: 01
                    +11
                    It seems to me that a legal assessment in Russia is overkill. In the United States, no one is puzzled by labor camps, concentration camps on a national basis, executions without any trial in California by the National Guard of US citizens (the so-called come in large numbers), anti-American activities (Chaplin for his films fell under her).
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 20 March 2018 15: 02
                      +1
                      Quote: naidas
                      It seems to me that a legal assessment in Russia is overkill. In the USA, no one is puzzled by labor camps, concentration camps on a national basis,

                      The Japanese (US citizens), imprisoned in camps, condemned the US government during the war and shook them to a penny
                      1. naidas
                        naidas 20 March 2018 17: 56
                        +1
                        Yeah, in the 76th they recognized it wrong and sued in 1988. Ronald Reagan signed a decree according to which each detainee was paid compensation in the amount of $ 20 thousand for a total of $ 1,2 billion. (60 people) September 27, 1992 compensation payment was additionally allocated 400 million dollars. (20 people).
                        Yes, our poor country apologized (rehabilitation) earlier and started paying earlier at the regional level.
                  2. MrK
                    MrK 20 March 2018 16: 37
                    +3
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Obey the laws


                    These are not the laws of the Russian Federation, but the RSFSR., Which has long been gone.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 21 March 2018 11: 00
                      0
                      Quote: mrark
                      These are not the laws of the Russian Federation, but the RSFSR., Which has long been gone.

                      What nonsense is this? Is it really hard to see?

                      Law of the Russian Federation of October 18, 1991
                      "On the rehabilitation of victims of political repression"

                      (as amended on June 26, December 22, 1992

                      September 3, 1993, November 4, 1995)

                      Everything is valid. There is ANOTHER bunch of Russian Laws on this subject.
                      The laws of the USSR on this subject also apply.
                  3. nov_tech.vrn
                    nov_tech.vrn 21 March 2018 17: 23
                    +2
                    Don’t worry Olgovich, will we change, or therefore worry that we will change?
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 22 March 2018 10: 00
                      0
                      Quote: nov_tech.vrn
                      do not worry Olgovich, change, or because worry what will change?

                      Worried?! belay lol
                      I-laugh: if you are with your SINGLE POWER, when only you there were ALL newspapers, television and radio, the institutes of Leninism, they could not do ANYTHING, then now ...
                      What percentage of voters is there for you? Шесть? laughing
                      It’s not funny for yourself? hi
                      1. nov_tech.vrn
                        nov_tech.vrn 22 March 2018 12: 23
                        +1
                        funny, I laugh at you, and the question is, where are you trying to identify those who disagree with you, and the aplomb with which you are broadcasting, and the process of changes under the Yeltsin constitution is already ongoing and will continue, while imposing restrictions on the execution of its most odious articles, for now .. .
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 22 March 2018 16: 56
                      0
                      Quote: nov_tech.vrn
                      funny, I laugh at you, and the question is, where are you trying to identify those who disagree with you, and the aplomb with which you are broadcasting, and the process of changes under the Yeltsin constitution is already ongoing and will continue, while imposing restrictions on the execution of its most odious articles, for now .. .

                      With six percent of voters you would above oneself laugh, oh well.
                      My aplomb what? belay
                      WHAT Yeltsin Constitution ?! We talked about the LAWS of the Russian Federation on the condemnation of illegal repression.
                      WHEN canceling something? How many TENS (hundreds of years) to wait?
                      Mustache, by the way, shave off, if sho? lol
                2. MrK
                  MrK 20 March 2018 16: 36
                  +8
                  Quote: asher
                  It is better for them to speculate about the American depression and its victims.

                  I agree. Once again I write. It is very simple to kill even the memory of Stalin. For this, neither him nor Vladimir Ilyich and others like them should be banned.
                  It’s enough to do BETTER THAN IT. Don't like the sacrifices in collectivization and building industry? BUILD the industry with any other methods available. Twenty-five years the industry built? They built, they built, and did they build anything good except theft?
                  The more visible the result, the sorry, closer and closer Stalin. Build a country that was respected at least as a Union, and better, and the people of Stalin will forget more. Do you think that if you forbid it, the comparison will stop working? Not a penny !!!
                  And he will live, as well as Lenin until you can present a better result. After all, you can only steal and deceive the people. So, these names will long be remembered by the people ...
              2. Stanislas
                Stanislas 20 March 2018 20: 28
                0
                Quote: Olgovich
                Rehabilitation commissions work., Compensation is paid.
                But the USSR is gone. Can't see the connection?
            5. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 12: 15
              +5
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              yes, formally they belonged to the "state"

              not formally but legally
            6. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 12: 21
              +8
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Only one Dzhugashvili had about 20 "State cottages", quite comparable with the palaces.

              Stalin's dacha


              Valery Kogan Mansion

              baturin
            7. Victor Red
              Victor Red 20 March 2018 12: 30
              +6
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Only one Dzhugashvili had about 20 "State cottages", quite comparable with the palaces. True, formally they belonged to the "state", but in reality they were used by one person.

              And indeed, where it is seen that the head of one of the largest countries in the world, population, and resources of the world uses as many as 20 summer houses. Is this not the highest form of tyranny. Just imagine where we would now be if not for these summer residences, probably lived under communism.
            8. vasalena
              vasalena 20 March 2018 18: 28
              +6
              Obviously, you were not at these dachas. I was on one - this is Musser, near Pitsunda. I can say that of the "luxury" there is only a swimming pool and Italian plumbing. Otherwise, everything is very Spartan. Instead of a bed, a wooden trestle bed.
            9. user
              user 23 March 2018 16: 47
              +2

              8
              LieutenantTeterin March 20, 2018 08:07 ↑
              Only one Dzhugashvili had about 20 "State cottages", quite comparable with the palaces. True, formally they belonged to the "state", but in reality they were used by one person. http://m.diletant.media/excursions/37757056/


              Rather than write such nonsense, better read the inventory of Stalin's property after his death.
          2. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 20 March 2018 08: 58
            +9
            wink Much less than modern nouveau riche in power.
            Quote: Lantau
            Dear, how many party leaders had yachts, palaces, bills ?!
          3. Serg65
            Serg65 20 March 2018 13: 49
            +2
            Quote: Lantau
            Dear, how much did the party leadership have yachts, palaces, accounts ?!

            laughing dofigischa! The entire southern coast of Crimea and the surroundings of Sochi, not counting the Moscow region, are palaces / dachas, and the party elite did not use them warships. wink
        2. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 20 March 2018 07: 03
          +5
          Come to me and take the apartment that they gave me during the USSR!
          And the rest I earned myself!
          PS Sorry, the riser is not changed!
          1. K.A.S.
            K.A.S. 20 March 2018 08: 39
            +4
            my great-grandfather, he earned everything himself, including the house, which did not stop the Communists from taking away what they had earned calling it dispossession! Before the revolution, my region was one of the richest, after the revolution it became poor!
            I am very sorry that the new government does not do with you and your strangers what the communists did with my ancestors. so that you can appreciate all the charms!
            I think that the civil warrior unleashed by the Bolsheviks has not ended so far,
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 20 March 2018 08: 46
              +48
              But my father-in-law, born in 1915, from a peasant who remembers collectivization, a front-line soldier, recalling collectivization, said: that without collectivization, Stalin would not have fed the country, and without industrialization he would not have defeated Hitler. And I believe him, their family was dispossessed too, even the sewing machine was taken away.
              All of his ten brothers died at the front. And do not complain here with your ancestors.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 20 March 2018 09: 26
                +23
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                But my father-in-law, born in 1915, from a peasant who remembers collectivization, a front-line soldier, recalling collectivization, said: that without collectivization, Stalin would not have fed the country .....
                This is the case. Very small peasant plots were difficult to process. Productivity was low, hunger. Unification was required, and Stolypin wanted to hold it in favor of large landowners. About 20 million peasants would be doomed.
                Stalin, after collectivization, created associations, collective farms !!!!!!!!!!! It was a brilliant decision !!!!!!!!!!!
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 11: 04
                  +4
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  created associations, collective farms !!!!!!!!!!! It was a brilliant decision !!!!!!!!!!!

                  Given the mass hunger and subsidence in agricultural products, the “ingenious”, of course.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 12: 10
                    +13
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    Given the mass hunger and subsidence in agricultural products, the “ingenious”, of course.

                    as I understand it, you saw the cow only in the picture, so that you would know the famine in Russia BEFORE THE KOLHOZOV it was an ordinary and annual affair, to feed the population a small private trader NOT IN CONDITION
                    1. Anti-Corr.
                      Anti-Corr. 20 March 2018 15: 40
                      +5
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      that you would know hunger in Russia BEFORE THE KOLKHOZOV it was an ordinary and annual affair, to feed the population a small private trader NOT IN CONDITION

                      I can’t understand, a competent person, a Stalinist, but how could you think of voting for Putin? I do not understand request hi
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 16: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: Anti-Corr.
                        and how could you get into your head to vote for Putin?

                        Well, not for Ksyushad, and not for the rest of the clowns
                  2. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 20 March 2018 12: 20
                    +14
                    The tsarist government never engaged in agriculture. Landowners as well. The hunger and exploitation of the peasants intensified throughout the 19th century because of the desire of the landlords to live, as in Europe. They did not notice the difference in climate, productivity, and land use. GIVE! And that’s it! Even Pushkin drew attention to the Troekurovs and Dubrovskys! So, everyone wanted to be like Troyekurov and squeezed the last. The end of the 1891th and beginning of the 1892th centuries saw the most severe hungry years! And here the Bolsheviks ??? This is --- 1897, 98, 1901 --- 1905gg, 06, 07 --- 1911 --- XNUMX, XNUMX. Therefore, the Stolypin reform was conceived to enlarge the economy, forcing the poorest peasants to sell their land for a penny and die with families. And to you, Teterin, I wrote about this earlier in the commentary.
                    1. Lieutenant Teterin
                      Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 13: 10
                      +3
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      the hardest hungry years! And here the Bolsheviks ??? This is 1891, 1892, 1897 --- 98gg, 1901, 1905 --- 06 --- 07, 1911.


                      In fact, except for 1891, there were no hunger years in the Empire. The dates you quote are not mentioned in any archive or newspaper of those years. But the works of the neo-Bolsheviks of the 90s are simply full of these dates.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 14: 12
                        +13
                        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                        In fact, except for 1891, there were no hunger years in the Empire.

                        Dear where you studied?
                        Barren years leading to hunger and high mortality among peasants of the 19th century
                        1813 year. Reasons: crop failure, war.
                        1833 year. Reasons: cholera, crop failure.
                        1839 year. Reasons: cholera, crop failure.
                        1844 year. Reasons: drought, crop failure.
                        1872 year. Reasons: drought, crop failure.
                        1882 year. Reasons: drought, crop failure
                        1891-92 Reasons: drought, crop failure, cholera.
                        mortality during this period increased 2.7-3.1 times


                        At the beginning of the XX century, Russia was hungry in Russia: 1901-1902, 1905-1908 and 1911 - 1912 years.
                        In 1901 - 1902, 49 provinces starved: in 1901 - 6,6%, 1902 - 1%, 1903 - 0,6%, 1904 -― 1,6%.
                        In 1905 - 1908. starved from 19 to 29 provinces: in 1905 - 7,7%, 1906 - 17,3% of the population
                        In 1911 - 1912 over the 2 of the year, famine swept 60 provinces: in 1911 - 14,9% of the population.
                        30 million people were on the brink of death.

                        According to various estimates in the years 1901-1912. about 8 million people died from hunger and its consequences. The tsarist government was preoccupied with how to hide the scale of hunger. In the press, censorship forbade the use of the word “hunger”, replacing it with the word “underperformance”


                        turmoil in Russia the result of crop failure and famine

                        p / s / study the topic before writing
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 20 March 2018 15: 01
                        +7
                        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                        In fact, except for 1891, there were no hunger years in the Empire. The dates you quote are not mentioned in any archive or newspaper of those years. But the works of the neo-Bolsheviks of the 90s are simply full of these dates.

                        You, the lieutenant, do not read the archives, but rewrite LJ or sites that have been closed for a long time !! I often tried to follow your links to no avail. I read the books of E. Prudnikova, A.I. Fursov, K. Zhukov, Yu. Zhukov and other respected authors, including authors of new textbooks, for example, L.I. Olshtynsky. Another thing is that I often write from memory, as it is today. Thank you, Vladimir Ivanovich finalized.
                        But in addition to archives, eyewitness accounts can be studied. TOLSTOY wrote HUNGER, BUNIN ----- TANKA and others. CHEKHOV has many stories about life, different layers, about malnutrition, as the norm. Including the clergy of the poor. And about Gorky, of course. Moreover, my generation has not studied as much as in the last century, until hunchbacked and drunk.
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 17: 57
                        +4
                        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                        The dates you quote are not mentioned in any archive or newspaper of those years. But the works of the neo-Bolsheviks of the 90s are simply full of these dates.

                        read not the works of the Bolsheviks but what contemporaries wrote of that period
            2. zoolu350
              zoolu350 20 March 2018 08: 59
              +15
              Quote: K.A.S.
              I think that the civil warrior unleashed by the Bolsheviks has not ended so far,

              In the latter, you are absolutely right. The power of the Russian oligarchy after March 18 has already embarked on the path of a new civil war, but this time I hope that ordinary people will do the work on the mistakes and the individuals of the Russian oligarchy and the bullcrusts will not be able to live quietly behind the hill and prepare another revenge, but will be cleaned up.
              1. asher
                asher 20 March 2018 11: 11
                +16
                As for the "civil war unleashed by the Bolsheviks," only a person with a Ukrov education or with the Unified State Examination can argue. Or is someone sure that at the beginning of the 20th century in Europe there lived unselfish good democrats who wanted Russia only good? The war is unleashed by those who benefit from it, as are revolutions with coups. By the way, for some reason, many modern "wise men" believe that the Bolsheviks also threw off the tsar, and destroyed the army, and pulled gold on a massive scale.
            3. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 20 March 2018 09: 17
              +14
              Quote: K.A.S.
              my great-grandfather, he earned everything himself, including the house, .............
              I am very sorry that the new government does not do with you and your strangers what the communists did with my ancestors. so that you can appreciate all the charms!
              I think that the civil warrior unleashed by the Bolsheviks has not ended so far,
              We don’t know whether your grandfather himself earned money .... In short, that power allowed him that. And millions of others ---- no! Barracks for workers in St. Petersburg, where they took turns sleeping, Stolypin ties, life expectancy of about 30 years ...
              The authorities after the 90s conducted such repressions, under the pretext of a market economy and shock therapy, that the country, both in demographic and economic terms, has not yet recovered!
              In the 90s, in fact, the intervention is psychological, cultural, economic! KAAS! --- Are you satisfied, will you hide under the bourgeois skirt?
            4. NordUral
              NordUral 20 March 2018 09: 33
              +19
              Kostya, do not generalize, please. The peasant question throughout the world is one of the most acute. Please read the novel by E. Zola "Earth",
              you will learn a lot of interesting things about the soul of a peasant. And this soul is international in its greed, and in addition to true love of the earth and hard work. But the key word here is greed.
              I have Vologda peasants ancestors by mother and my grandfather was repressed, I think that there were reasons. But he did not show hatred for Stalin. I don’t know much, there were few years when he left, just like you cannot know much.
              And without collectivization, you wouldn’t knock fingers on the clave now.
              1. K.A.S.
                K.A.S. 20 March 2018 09: 46
                +3
                I think that under Stalin you would also not watered power!
                I think that if the collectives of the collectives, whose ancestors were dispossessed, offer compensation for the taken away plots, livestock. many of them will change their minds at home!
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 20 March 2018 10: 12
                  +12
                  Quote: K.A.S.

                  I think that if the collectives of the collectives, whose ancestors were dispossessed, offer compensation for the taken away plots, livestock. many of them will change their minds at home!
                  Yes, the current liberals spat on the dispossessed! Did you believe their regrets? Naive for years !!!!! They are talking about kulak suffering ----- so, commonplace stuff !!!!!! They robbed people for themselves in the 90s, and not to give anything to anyone !!!!!
                2. NordUral
                  NordUral 21 March 2018 11: 46
                  +1
                  Do not judge others by yourself.
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 20 March 2018 10: 49
                +2
                Quote: NordUral
                And without collectivization, you wouldn’t knock fingers on the clave now.

                The whole world is knocking - and, interestingly, it cost without collectivization! belay recourse request
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 20 March 2018 11: 01
                  +12
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  The whole world is knocking - and, interestingly, there were no collectivization!

                  Just the process of industrialization with the destruction of small peasant farming and squeezing free hands into industry in Europe took place much earlier and was called differently.
                  In the most democratic of European countries, industrialization was carried out along a very humane and philanthropic path: fencing - the law on vagrancy - work houses or penal servitude, to choose from. The result is the same - agricultural enlargement with the seizure of land from small farms and their transfer to wage agricultural workers, and new hands for industry.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 20 March 2018 12: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    In the most democratic of European countries, industrialization was carried out along a very humane and philanthropic path: fencing - the law on vagrancy - work houses or penal servitude, to choose from. Result the same - agricultural enlargement with the removal of land at small farms and transferring them to hired agricultural workers, and new hands for the industry.


                    Tell us about European collective farms of the 17-19th centuries. yes
                    And also about hired farmers FARMERS yes
                    1. Rakti-kali
                      Rakti-kali 20 March 2018 15: 48
                      +8
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      And also- about hired agricultural workers -FARMERS

                      Do you think landless farm laborers (of whom 80-90 percent of the total number of peasants in Europe) lived better than collective farmers? I will disappoint you - quite the contrary, because the collective farmer received payment according to the standards and actually earned, and the farm laborer in these Oyropachs received as much as the pan deigned to pay.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 20 March 2018 16: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        Do you think landless farm laborers (of whom 80-90 percent of the total number of peasants in Europe) lived better than collective farmers?

                        European collective farms - where? And collective farmers?
                        They lived better: they did not die of starvation by millions. Or is life a trifle for you?
                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        because the collective farmer received payment on standards and actually earned,


                        The fact that surviving on what was given on workdays is impossible is also a trifle?
                  2. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 20 March 2018 12: 30
                    +4
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    The whole world is knocking - and, interestingly, there were no collectivization!

                    Just the process of industrialization with the destruction of small peasant farming and squeezing free hands into industry in Europe took place much earlier and was called differently. .
                    I want to add that, both in %%% and in number, under Alexander 3 and first in the reign of Nicholas, 2 nobles ---- 1,5%, clergy ----- 0,5%, PEASANTS ---- 77% , the rest ----- residents of cities, + Cossacks, + honorary citizens, + merchants. Therefore, in Russia, similar processes took place more severely, but we must also take into account the climate.
                  3. Amurets
                    Amurets 20 March 2018 15: 46
                    +7
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    In the most democratic of European countries, industrialization was carried out along a very humane and philanthropic path: fencing - the law on vagrancy - work houses or penal servitude, to choose from. The result is the same - agricultural enlargement with the seizure of land from small farms and their transfer to wage agricultural workers, and new hands for industry.

                    You forgot another "humane method", selling into slavery, to America.
                    “By the end of the 50th century, African slaves, who were still exotic, cost an average of 5 British sterling, while a slave of Irish descent cost only XNUMX sterling. The fact is that there were much more light-skinned slaves. The attitude to black and to white slaves: Dear Negroes were cherished, but the planter could beat the Irish to death.
                    Source: White slaves in America: why they were 10 times cheaper than black
                    © Russian Seven russian7.ru http://russian7.ru/post/belye-raby-v-ameriki-poch
                    emu-oni-stoili /
                    And this is just one site.
                2. Rakti-kali
                  Rakti-kali 20 March 2018 15: 43
                  +7
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Quote: NordUral
                  And without collectivization, you wouldn’t knock fingers on the clave now.

                  The whole world is knocking - and, interestingly, it cost without collectivization! belay recourse request

                  Well, yes, in Britain they cost a "fence", only 40% of the peasants died of starvation in a few years, but half of the remaining went to slaves ... well, that is, farm laborers to manufactories.
                3. MrK
                  MrK 20 March 2018 16: 15
                  +10
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  The whole world is knocking - and, interestingly, there were no collectivization!

                  Dear Olgovich. Collective farms are agricultural cartels. That is, a form of cooperation.
                  I give a clipping from the book: - And what is the experience of the United States? - NOW IN AMERICA NOT THAT THE MOST, BUT ALMOST ALL RURAL PRODUCERS ARE COVERED BY THE COOPERATION.
                  In 1990, at the meeting of the Soviet-American Food Commission in Washington, the then US Under Secretary of Agriculture said: “If cooperation in the USA suddenly disappeared, our farm would collapse in six months».
                  So do not - but the whole world. The whole world is on this path.
                4. V. Salama
                  V. Salama 20 March 2018 16: 54
                  +4
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  The whole world is knocking - and, interestingly, there were no collectivization!

                  The world then cost, but we could not. A country with a unique history, specific historical situation and geography. And "geography is a sentence" (Napoleon). How can you not see the difference? What the hell am I? In Europe, for a long time, they no longer see the difference even between a woman and a man. And you have a French flag.
                5. NordUral
                  NordUral 21 March 2018 11: 48
                  +5
                  Yes, England "managed" without fencing, America without the Great Depression and so on ... Do not distort, my friend.
            5. Ascetic
              Ascetic 20 March 2018 10: 28
              +16
              Quote: K.A.S.
              the civil warrior unleashed by the Bolsheviks has not ended yet,

              But about the triumphal procession of the Soviet regime, do not know anything? And about the foreign military intervention of 14 states in 1918, when internal and external opponents of the Soviet government relied on it armed overthrowand not the political struggle where they completely lost to the Bolsheviks?
              So who started the war?
            6. asher
              asher 20 March 2018 11: 24
              0
              According to family traditions, my great-grandfather from northern Kazakhstan, defending his own good, rushed to the dispossession people with an ax and even chopped off a couple of fingers to intimidate them. They fled, but got it a bit later, put him in a jail, from where for a bribe to the herd of horses they sent to exile in Alma-Ata. So that under Stalin, who could get out. And without Stalin, a country would not be a country.
              1. Romulus
                Romulus 20 March 2018 11: 28
                0
                Quote: asher
                defending his own good, he rushed to the dispossession people with an ax and even chopped off a couple of fingers to intimidate them.

                This is trash ... (no comment)
                Pad steel ..
            7. naidas
              naidas 20 March 2018 13: 10
              +5
              1. it looks like your grandfather was selling bread abroad (only the grain areas were rich). But he didn’t care about the rest and paid.
              2. My grandfather in the 80s still had a two-story house, a stone house in Lipetsk, selected by the Bolsheviks, my grandfather was not particularly sad.
              3. And the new government makes slaves of people, depriving education-paid, housing-paid, security.
              4.
              Quote: K.A.S.
              civil warrior unleashed by the Bolsheviks

              In general, the delirious triumphal procession of Soviet power in Russia, the majority hoped for landlord lands. The Bolsheviks prevented the collapse in the image of Austria-Hungary in February 1917.
            8. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 14: 13
              +5
              Quote: K.A.S.
              that the new government does not do with you and your supporters what the communists did with my ancestors. so that you can appreciate all the charms!

              Do not tell me how many people lived in poverty around your ancestor ?!
              What exactly was your great-grandfather doing?
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 20 March 2018 15: 45
                +10
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Quote: K.A.S.
                that the new government does not do with you and your supporters what the communists did with my ancestors. so that you can appreciate all the charms!

                Do not tell me how many people lived in poverty around your ancestor ?!
                What exactly was your great-grandfather doing?

                The communists did with those ancestors that the ancestors of these kulak survived to old age and acquired offspring, which still gave birth to offspring. As you can see today ------ in vain the Communists committed such charity! That's what!!!!
                And not only around that great-grandfather lived in poverty, but did ---- die! Moreover, not living up to a year!
                According to the census of 1897, the founder of sanitary statistics Kurakin deduced the average life expectancy in Russia ---- for women, just over 31 years, for men ----- 29 years old !!!!!!!!
                And if, with such an average figure, some rich people or the tsar’s mother lived to be 80 years old, then it was real oppression by class (retreat: this oppression is included in the Sobchak program, her mother speaks about this)
                True, in Belarus and Ukraine the age mentioned was slightly higher than in Russia.
            9. demo
              demo 20 March 2018 23: 39
              +4
              Buddy (can I turn to you like that?).
              Let's go back centuries.
              My great-grandfather before the revolution of 17 was the LARGEST supplier of fine-wool sheep wool to the Rostov factory.
              He was supposed to be a merchant.
              But the documents for the appropriation were delayed.
              But his father - therefore, my great-great-grandfather was serf.
              But I bought myself from the landowner (I learned about it after 91 years from my mother).
              So.
              Being not literate, but very rich, he gathered his sons (he had 7 of them) before the First World War and said.
              I feel impending demonic power.
              All will be taken away and all destroyed.
              He delivered a verdict - I’m selling everything. I share the money between the children and leave here further.
              This is what happened.
              My grandfather settled after 17 in an open field. At the confluence of the Sal River with the Don River.
              And he laid the farm. It was called the farm Grom-Chebotarev.
              He was not a native Cossack, so the persecution did not extend to him and his family. On the contrary. The state issued an interest-free loan for the construction of a house, the acquisition of cattle.
              Grandfather had 10 sons and seven daughters.
              When my mother was born, my older brother was over 40 years old.
              During the war, some uncles by age were drafted into the army, and those whom by age were no longer drafted went militias.
              4 survived after the war.
              Moreover, one of the mother’s brothers was arrested and exiled to Magadan, where he died.
              Repressed for the word, for nothing. Shlopotal 10 years.
              In the family, mothers never scolded Stalin in a single word.
              Here is a short way to my family’s 200 years.
              And under the king could live one who was friends with his head and knew how to work with his hands.
              And the depletion of the region or its enrichment not so much depended on the socio-political system, but on the agility and mind of its leaders.
              And this could happen anywhere. And not only for you.
              Do not mix boots and eggs.
        3. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 20 March 2018 08: 03
          +1
          Quote: K.A.S.
          bring outмenhenia

          I would make changes, but there is no reverse in history! hi
        4. avt
          avt 20 March 2018 08: 08
          +21
          Quote: K.A.S.
          Not bad for the Communists to bring change for mistakes!

          Campaign libertarium? Didn’t they vote for the “horse” an hour ago? Well, this is based on the requirement of eternal repentance for something. Or, just a thoughtful rich man who doesn’t work stupidly with a search engine, but just clicks in the attempts to put the thoughts in comments quickly. fool The same Communists from the CPSU, already since the most prominent 20th congress and their conferences, have repented more than once, even for what they did not.
          Quote: K.A.S.
          To return to people and the country what they stole from them!

          Again Mitrofanushka
          Quote: Lantau
          and how many party leaders had yachts, palaces, bills ?!

          in the days of Stalin, and most importantly WHAT?
          You do not confuse your wool with the state
          and even more so with the times when the party nomenclature and bureaucrats of category A decided to hammer a bolt on a preached ideology and instead of Karl Manifesk turned on a simple principle like lowing, let us have everything and we won’t have anything for that. life with an apotheosis ending in 1991.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 20 March 2018 07: 42
        +16
        anti-adviser akin to traitor
        Sorry for the indiscreet question who voted for? Not for the fact that the Mausoleum hangs with rags and prays at Solzhenitsyn?
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 20 March 2018 07: 46
          +18
          50 years I vote for the bloc of communists and non-partisans. Any questions ?
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 20 March 2018 07: 54
            +16
            I vote for the bloc of communists and non-partisans
            No questions! I am with you against those. who holds Chubais and Shuvalovs
            1. Anti-Corr.
              Anti-Corr. 20 March 2018 15: 42
              +2
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              50 years I vote for the bloc of communists and non-partisans. Any questions ?

              Quote: Gardamir
              No questions! I am with you against those. who holds Chubais and Shuvalovs

              I am with you comrades! soldier
          2. K.A.S.
            K.A.S. 20 March 2018 08: 23
            +3
            Yes, the Communists realized that they were zeros in the economy and among the millions of Communists there was not one who could be entrusted with running the state! Therefore, they had to turn to the capitalist Grudinin! Here you have the communist economy and governance!
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 20 March 2018 08: 29
              +11
              Among the Communists, there are many smart people, because the choice of Grudinin causes you and others like you to scream, stupid writings and a complete list of his incapacity.
            2. NordUral
              NordUral 20 March 2018 09: 49
              +16
              Yes, many communists were unable to rule a great country. But we are talking about Stalin, and he proved that he could and brought the country to a superpower.
              And you, my friend, are just a troll. Or poorly educated, or deceitful,
              Goebbels simple employee for hire.
              1. K.A.S.
                K.A.S. 20 March 2018 09: 55
                +1
                What is the concept of a superpower?
                and why the screen?
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 21 March 2018 11: 56
                  +1
                  One of the parameters of superpower status is that no one dares to attack such a country. The second is the level of economic development and the welfare of the people - here we quickly developed to Khrushchev. Further - science, education, medicine.

                  Screen to the fact that you registered for the election, which brings to some conclusions, which I voiced.
              2. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 20 March 2018 10: 22
                +3
                Quote: NordUral
                Yes, many communists were unable to rule a great country. But we are talking about Stalin, and he proved that he could and brought the country to a superpower.
                And you, my friend, are just a troll. Or poorly educated, or deceitful,
                It seems that this character of K.A.S.---- was already banned in the summer, now he returned under a different name.
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 21 March 2018 11: 56
                  0
                  The essence of this does not change, Dmitry.
            3. sergo1914
              sergo1914 20 March 2018 10: 23
              +4
              Quote: K.A.S.
              Yes, the Communists realized that they were zeros in the economy and among the millions of Communists there was not one who could be entrusted with running the state! Therefore, they had to turn to the capitalist Grudinin! Here you have the communist economy and governance!


              I will surprise you. There is such a communist.
              “In 1970-1975 he studied at the international department of the law faculty of Leningrad State University (Leningrad State University). At the Leningrad State University he joined the Communist Party. I didn’t leave the party. During his studies, he first met Anatoly Sobchak, then associate professor of Leningrad State University. The theme of the diploma is “The Principle of the Most Favored Nation” (supervisor L. N. Galenskaya, Department of International Law).

              In 1975 he graduated from the Law Faculty of Leningrad State University. By distribution, he was sent to work in the State Security Committee. In 1975, he graduated from operational training courses at Okhta (“401st School”), and was certified as a junior officer (senior lieutenant of justice) in the system of territorial bodies of the KGB of the USSR.
              After 1977, he worked as a counterintelligence officer in the investigative department of the Leningrad Directorate of the KGB.
              In 1979, he completed a six-month refresher course at the KGB Graduate School in Moscow and returned to Leningrad again.
              In 1984, in the rank of Major of Justice, he was sent to study at the one-year faculty of the Red Banner Institute of the KGB, which he graduated in 1985 with a degree in Foreign Intelligence. In KI, the KGB bore the “school” name Platov, was the head of the educational department, and studied German.
              In 1985-1990 he worked in the GDR. He served in the territorial intelligence office in Dresden under the guise of the director of the Dresden House of Friendship of the USSR - the GDR. During a business trip, he was promoted to lieutenant colonel and to senior assistant to the head of the department.
              In 1989 he was awarded the bronze medal "For Merit to the National People's Army of the GDR".
              After completing a business trip abroad and returning to the USSR, according to Putin, he voluntarily refused to transfer to the central apparatus of foreign intelligence of the KGB of the USSR in Moscow. He returned to the staff of the first department (intelligence from the territory of the USSR) of the Leningrad Directorate of the KGB. "

              "Here it is. Mikhalych." Here you and bloody gebnya and the Communist Party. For any liberoid, the roof will leak.
          3. captain
            captain 20 March 2018 09: 27
            +5
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            50 years I vote for the bloc of communists and non-partisans. Any questions ?

            That is, you are one of those who supported Gorbachev. By the way, Yeltsin was also a very big communist and Gaidar Egorushka.
            1. sergo1914
              sergo1914 20 March 2018 10: 25
              +4
              Quote: captain
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              50 years I vote for the bloc of communists and non-partisans. Any questions ?

              That is, you are one of those who supported Gorbachev. By the way, Yeltsin was also a very big communist and Gaidar Egorushka.


              Why do not you remember the Communist Putin?
      3. captain
        captain 20 March 2018 09: 24
        +7
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        For me, an anti-adviser is akin to a traitor! That's how they raised me ....

        And why didn’t he go out to defend Soviet power in 1991? Or was it brought up so that a simple Russian man should shed blood for your ideas? And your communist blood is invaluable to the people? What is your personal difference from mother Sobchak? That she only balabolit that you, only write posts for pluses.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 20 March 2018 09: 41
          +14
          Quote: captain
          Why not come out

          I went out ! He created a partisan detachment armed with handles from shovels. He moved to Moscow, but didn’t swim through the strait to the mainland. I waited for winter, to cross the ice, but did not make our way through the snowdrifts, and there my detachment also fled ....
          But this is sarcasm ... But against the state machine all my blood would not be enough. You write nonsense, mister captain, of the third gang of the gendarmerie. And as a result of your service, you should know that revolutions are being made in capitals, and not in county towns. hi
          1. captain
            captain 20 March 2018 19: 07
            0
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            Quote: captain
            Why not come out

            I went out ! He created a partisan detachment armed with handles from shovels. He moved to Moscow, but didn’t swim through the strait to the mainland. I waited for winter, to cross the ice, but did not make our way through the snowdrifts, and there my detachment also fled ....
            But this is sarcasm ... But against the state machine all my blood would not be enough. You write nonsense, mister captain, of the third gang of the gendarmerie. And as a result of your service, you should know that revolutions are being made in capitals, and not in county towns. hi

            An interesting sarcasm in Kummunyak. In each unit there were political units or nachpos, in the units there were political companies and battalions, party organizers, Komsomol members. There were 19 million communists. Armed with cuttings from shovels. Yap you comrade. Party bodies had such power that the KGB did not dream. Cowards like you sold power for jeans and chewing gum. Comedian holy fool, sold the country, and he also jokes.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 21 March 2018 12: 17
              +2
              And you, captain, do not distort. What we were offered before the 91st did not at all resemble what they did. There was nothing to argue with, the top rotten, the country needed changes.
              Only when these changes, though quite different, took place, did we become different. There is a homespun truth.
        2. naidas
          naidas 20 March 2018 13: 16
          +4
          There was no one to defend there, the authorities themselves were in favor of dividing the acquired wealth. And in the crowd they themselves understood how they were stabbed (a couple of dozens came out on the first anniversary, on the second unit). And in 1 they didn’t even give a chance.
      4. Ascetic
        Ascetic 20 March 2018 10: 20
        +15
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        For me, an anti-adviser is akin to a traitor! That's how they raised me ....

        As the dissident and liberal anti-adviser Zinoviev said -They aimed at communism, but came to Russia ...
        aiming at the present and near past ("Stalinism"), but in fact they hit the past in general, the historical, civilizational whole, and therefore the future.
        With this phrase, everything is said, the anti-Soviet a priori cannot but be an enemy of Russia and the people.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 20 March 2018 12: 43
          +4
          Quote: Ascetic
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          For me, an anti-adviser is akin to a traitor! That's how they raised me ....

          As the dissident and liberal anti-adviser Zinoviev said -They aimed at communism, but came to Russia ...
          aiming at the present and near past ("Stalinism"), but in fact they hit the past in general, the historical, civilizational whole, and therefore the future.
          Remarkable words were said by Zinoviev and he called perestroika KATASTROYKA. In 1990, Soviet citizenship was returned to him. Then he began to speak out with an apology of the Soviet system !!!!
          He participated in the Second World War as a tanker, combat pilot, had 31 sorties, was awarded orders, medals including the Order of the Red Star. There are memories of the Second World War.
      5. iouris
        iouris 20 March 2018 12: 55
        0
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        That's how they raised me ....

        Nothing, the Narusians and the Dogs will re-educate you.
      6. Tula gingerbread
        Tula gingerbread 20 March 2018 16: 18
        +8
        For me too. Then everyone rushed to discuss Stalin, but it was necessary to discuss such moral ur ... s as this Narusova.
        How did she find herself in the warm place of the senator?
        What outstanding merits to Russia did she deserve this honorable right?
        So, I think, in order to complicate access to the sinecure for such individuals, I propose returning to the election of senators.
        The Federation Council, this is the upper house of the Federal Assembly, and the deputies of the Federal Assembly of both the Duma and the Federation Council, according to the Constitution, must be elected on a competitive basis.
        These are elected bodies. To please the retired governors and other officials and their people, the formation order of the Federation Council was changed, which is a gross violation of the Constitution.
        Now two senators are delegated from each region, one is represented by the governor, the other by the regional assembly.
        Such individuals as Narusova and fall into the warm chair of the senator, without any merit, and mind too.
        Apparently, someone from the Kremlin asked the head of Tuva well that Narusov should be chosen from Tuva.
        As I understand it, they no longer want to elect her from St. Petersburg.
        If there were direct and competitive elections, Narusova would hardly have become a senator.
        It's time to stop this sinecure.
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      8. freddyk
        freddyk 20 March 2018 20: 21
        0
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        For me, an anti-adviser is akin to a traitor! So I was raised


        It turns out curiously, according to the results of the elections in Russia, 78% of anti-advisers.)))
        1. captain
          captain 20 March 2018 20: 38
          0
          Quote: freddyk
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          For me, an anti-adviser is akin to a traitor! So I was raised


          It turns out curiously, according to the results of the elections in Russia, 78% of anti-advisers.)))

          Well you, they are all traitors to the Communists. And as soon as the Communists win ... They will remember everyone.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 21 March 2018 12: 18
          +3
          As for 78%, there are big doubts, or rather confidence. But I think that 50 percent with a little - fooled.
    2. midivan
      midivan 20 March 2018 07: 06
      +11
      Quote: Hurricane70
      But something tells me that it will not work for them, the vaccine has already been vaccinated against this evil spirits!

      Vaccination does not protect against the disease, but helps to transfer it, therefore we need strong immunity and a strong body, and for this we need to exercise, perhaps the first exercise should be in the form of a petition to remove the old mare from office, I fully support the author of the article and would also support in the petition, it is necessary to start with something, if this is not enough, well then the rally is official for a start, but then, as I guess, they will expect problems, because those who are obliged to start this business are called the followers of I.V. Stalin fell in love with strawberries and they are completely satisfied with everything! Aren't you Comrade Communists? Or am I very mistaken and everyone who cares for the idea of ​​how one will defend the Leader? Well, let's see how it will look in the flesh. laughing
    3. Alber
      Alber 20 March 2018 16: 39
      0
      Quote: Hurricane70
      It is not surprising from Narusova and Sobchak to hear such a thing ... Such as I. Stalin directly, without tolerant liberalistic freaks, he called the People's Enemies! And as History has shown, he was right a thousand times, therefore they are still pecking him!
      But something tells me that it will not work for them, the vaccine has already been vaccinated against this evil spirits!

      Quote: Hurricane70
      Lyudmila Narusova announced her intention to prepare a bill on equating the justification of Stalinism with the justification of Nazism. “After what we were called upon (candidate for the presidency of Russia Maxim. - Auth.) Suraykin, calling himself a Stalinist, honoring him, I believe that it is necessary, and in the near future I will come up with such a legislative initiative, to equate Stalin with the justification of Nazism ”, Said Narusova during a visit to the headquarters of her daughter, presidential candidate Ksenia Sobchak.
      The senator recalled that in this election two people were “outspoken Stalinists” who called for a return to the USSR. “They talked about how they imagine it: the Baltic States, the Caucasus, Kazakhstan, it is clear that they will not run to the Soviet Union, which means there will be another war for the restoration of the Soviet Union,” said the senator. According to her, the people who stated this turned out to be outsiders on the preliminary results of the elections. Accordingly, it turns out that the supposedly overwhelming majority of the Russian population does not support Stalin’s policies and condemns it.

      Why hasn’t this Narostova been removed from the Federation Council? And generally from Russia ...
    4. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 20 March 2018 16: 41
      +2
      Quote: Hurricane70
      Such as I. Stalin directly, without tolerant liberalistic freaks, he called the Enemies of the People!

      or maybe it is necessary not to carry out "de-Stalinization", but to return the term "enemy of the people" to everyday life?
      I think if a referendum is held, then the people will support it. soldier
      purely to make it clear, "Rain" is a foreign agent, Narusova is an enemy of the people.
      for now, just to make it clear ...
    5. moskowit
      moskowit 20 March 2018 18: 13
      +4
      Senator Narusova proposed equating the justification of Stalinism with the justification of Nazism. it

      For such as Narusova and her daughter, in the historical times of the USSR, the name was CHSR (a member of the traitor's homeland family). And their place was in the best settings of the national economy, and not in the Senate and in the candidates for the presidency. All their actions were paid for by the enemies of Russia ... It is only surprising that such an undisguised hatred of the country and its people .... This is not even opposition, but hostile work ... Is it not time for people like these and others like them to take "black gloves".
    6. Imobile
      Imobile 22 March 2018 10: 44
      0
      The success of Stalin is that he maintained the integrity of the country and retained power, despite the beggarly standard of living of the people. Yes, I had to sacrifice many millions for this. Otherwise, he was stupid.
      1. vladafer
        vladafer 24 March 2018 00: 15
        0
        Sorry for the "you" ...
        But he himself understood that he wrote something?
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 20 March 2018 06: 00
    +18
    Do not confuse all of Russia with one vile living at the expense of the very people that it hates so fiercely! She, like her mentally defective daughter, has a place in the madhouse, and if she still opens her own slack, Kolyma mines will sob on them.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 20 March 2018 09: 51
      +6
      If only with one ...
  3. Moore
    Moore 20 March 2018 06: 13
    +27
    We are outraged by the Sobchak clan, not thinking about who put one in the Federation Council (Yeah, the deputy from the Republic of Tuva) and turned a blind eye to the vile tricks of the second.
    Here you will inevitably decide that you have caught God by the beard and that you can blurt out your tongue with that hosh.
    Tuvans should think about it: do they need a representative in the Federation Council who decided to equate with whom they declared war on June 22, 1941 of the one with whom this war went hand in hand and whose state they entered in 1944 ...
    Future will tell.
  4. 1536
    1536 20 March 2018 06: 23
    +21
    And I would forbid to discuss Stalin at all. At all levels. History and people gave him an assessment. What else is not clear to someone? Here in Russia no one is holding anyone, if you don't like it, the tablecloth is expensive.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 20 March 2018 07: 02
      +33
      It is necessary to discuss and know about Stalin, but first of all what he did for the formation of the USSR, as a superpower and the creation of a multipolar world with a pole of socialism. First you need to return to Volgograd the name that glorified him in the most terrible war - Stalingrad. When the same Zhirinovsky begins to talk about the “commies,” about the bloody regime, he doesn't seem to want to remember that it was the Communists who saved Russia at 1917 from prospects with the then Yeltsins, Chubais and Gaidars who would no longer have a nuclear and space superpower after the betrayal of 1991 of the year, a semi-literate country, all indebted to the West. No one would allow either tsarist or liberal Russia with the Provisional Government to industrialize, build nuclear weapons and go into space. What the West has begun to do with Russia, with all its “democracy,” has already been vividly demonstrated. We are now alive only because there was a Soviet safety margin. For a quarter of a century, Stalin built a mighty Soviet Union from the “plow”, the current liberals, fraternal oligarchs, for a quarter of a century did not create anything, consuming the Soviet legacy in science and technology, returning Russia to the “scoop”.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 08: 10
        +7
        Quote: Per se.
        who would no longer have a nuclear and space superpower after the betrayal of 1991, but a semi-literate country, all in debt to the West.


        As I understand it, didn’t you hear anything about Vernadsky’s program on the study of “radiant energy” from 1913, the debts of England and France after the WWII, or the budget growth of the Ministry of Education before the war?
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 20 March 2018 08: 31
          +19
          You can understand it as you like, but it won’t reach you — all these ideas, whether Vernadsky, Tsiolkovsky, others, were made and implemented in the USSR, and not in your crumbling Empire, where the ruling class needs nothing but baden-baden and ballerinas It was.
          1. captain
            captain 20 March 2018 09: 37
            +3
            Quote: badens1111
            You can understand it as you like, but it won’t reach you — all these ideas, whether Vernadsky, Tsiolkovsky, others, were made and implemented in the USSR, and not in your crumbling Empire, where the ruling class needs nothing but baden-baden and ballerinas It was.

            And what did the Communist-Leninists of the USSR need? Then where is he, the USSR? Where is the "party" gold? Where do the children of the leaders of the CPSU live and what? People like you and traitors like you in Russia decomposed the army in 1914-17, signed the Brest Peace Treaty and millions of victims of our Russia were unnecessary. Such as you arranged the genocide of the Russian people, distributing Russian lands to local nationalists. According to your Russophobic national policy, 25 million Russians in one fortune ended up abroad. Such as you destroyed the Warsaw Pact and gave NATO lands that our soldiers poured with their blood and very abundantly. Russophobes like you, who do not respect the Russian flag, have thrown Russians in Chechnya, Central Asia, the Baltic states, and Ukraine. The tribe is Russophobic.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 20 March 2018 09: 52
              +8
              Your opinion, based on a retelling of nonsense, absolutely does not bother me.
              But what you can’t get away with is the fact that since the 1992 of the year, you have done more damage to the country than Hitler did. So be silent.
              1. captain
                captain 20 March 2018 11: 48
                +4
                Quote: badens1111
                Your opinion, based on a retelling of nonsense, absolutely does not bother me.
                But what you can’t get away with is the fact that since the 1992 of the year, you have done more damage to the country than Hitler did. So be silent.

                Well, the descendants of Leninists are you and nonsense. Yeltsin is your uproot and your Gorbachev and Kravchuk and Shevarnadze and Yakovlev and the sea of ​​all the secretaries of the Central Committee, regional and regional committees. In the 1991 they felled the USSR, they stole everything that is possible. They were dragging them all over the hill through the dummies, but now you have nothing to do with it.
                1. naidas
                  naidas 20 March 2018 13: 23
                  +3
                  You would first read about the French Revolution, there is also a revolution-rebirth-counter-revolution and literally in one generation.
          2. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 13: 12
            +4
            Quote: badens1111
            Whether Vernadsky, Tsiolkovsky, others, are made and implemented in the USSR, and


            I forgot something, when did the USSR exist until 1918, in which the works of Tsiolkovsky were written?
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 20 March 2018 08: 36
          +16
          And who would study this "radiant energy" of Vernadsky with such a percentage of the country's peasant population? And literacy wasn’t very good then. For the first time, I learned from you about the budget growth of the Ministry of Education before the WWI, it’s a pity that my grandmother didn’t find out about 100 years ago, so she had to learn to read and write with the bloody Bolsheviks at the age of 40.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 13: 15
            +3
            Quote: Aviator_
            who would study this "radiant energy" of Vernadsky with such a percentage of the peasant population with

            https://nikital2014.livejournal.com/34027.html
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 14: 22
              +2
              the ability to write your name and prove the Pythagorean theorem things are different
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 20 March 2018 15: 12
            +2
            Quote: Aviator_
            And who would study this "radiant energy" of Vernadsky with such a percentage of the country's peasant population?

            FIRST WORLD Telectronic gearand (watch TV?) was made in a laboratory in St. Petersburg, in 1911 in the "bast" of Russia.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 18: 00
              +6
              this is all wonderful, but the problem is different, the majority of the population could never afford a TV because of poverty, which means that all these inventions in the Republic of Ingushetia had no future, for the sake of interest, raise statistics on the number of tractors in the Republic of Ingushetia in 11 years and, for example, in the USA
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 21 March 2018 11: 07
                +1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                the majority of the population could never afford a TV because of poverty

                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                which means that all of these inventions in RI had no future

                THE WHOLE world is watching TV. Is Russia an exception? What a fright?
                As for poverty: a skilled RI worker received many times more than the same Soviet worker
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 20 March 2018 20: 18
              +3
              Well, of course, only my relatives didn’t know about it then, and about French rolls too. And they really walked in bast shoes. And not only them. And also at Eliseevsky in Moscow and Petersburg they sold live lobsters and oysters. And my grandfather and grandmother did not buy them because of their stinginess. That's what happened to my kindred 100 years ago.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 21 March 2018 11: 19
                0
                Quote: Aviator_
                Well, of course, only my relatives didn’t know about it then, and about French rolls too. And they really walked in bast shoes. And not only them.

                In 1937, with constructed socialism, dressed even worse (see the secret Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR, 1955). And were dying millions of from hunger in 33g (State Duma statement), then there were cannibalism and corpse-eating, which in Russia was not in the memory never!
                PS. Is it really not interesting to know the history of your country? Documents Editing Stories? For example, http://portal.rusarchives.ru/publication/hunger-u
                ssr / 1933_15.shtml
                I do not understand..... request
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 21 March 2018 11: 34
                  +4
                  Established liar VO, at work ...
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 21 March 2018 16: 04
                    0
                    Quote: badens1111
                    Established Liar VO, for work...

                    And so, comrade
                    Quote: badens1111
                    Staff liar
                    ?

                    WHY do you inform me that have returned to work,? belay lol request
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 21 March 2018 16: 07
                      +1
                      Rude, liar?
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 21 March 2018 16: 11
                        0
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Rude, liar?

                        Tov.
                        Quote: badens1111
                        liar
                        WHERE ?! belay request
                2. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 21 March 2018 16: 28
                  +2
                  Documents Editing its I know the countries. And the documents created overseas are not interesting to me.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 21 March 2018 16: 31
                    0
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    I know the documents of my country. And the documents created overseas are not interesting to me.

                    These are documents ROSARCHIVA http://portal.rusarchives.ru / publication / hunger-u
                    ssr / 1933_15.shtml.
                    Created by the Stalin Bolsheviks.
                    Are you afraid of the truth?
                    say so.
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 21 March 2018 19: 47
                      +1
                      I remember in this ROSARCHIVE a "document" of the 1940 of the year about the Katyn execution of Poles was found, printed on the letterhead of the Central Committee of the CPSU
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 22 March 2018 10: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        I remember that in this ROSARCHIVES a “document” of 1940 was found on the Katyn execution of Poles, printed on the letterhead of the Central Committee of the CPSU

                        Those. THOUSAND Stalinist documents-a lie? Give authoritative ( for you) opinions of at least someone that the documents cited by the Rosarchive are false.
                        And bring TRUE documents-primary sources (in your opinion) about what was happening in 32-33. in New Russia, Don, Kuban, etc.
                        You can not? No? You can not.
                        That's the whole story ....
                        Stay alive in the DEFAULT world of fairy tales. hi
        3. zoolu350
          zoolu350 20 March 2018 09: 07
          +14
          We saw a film about Zhukovsky and how it was lurking in the paradise of your bunny-crusted RI, without meeting the understanding of "blue-blooded gentlemen" bathing in luxury. But impoverished Soviet Russia, experiencing enormous difficulties, found the means to create a TsAGI, so streamline it.
          1. captain
            captain 20 March 2018 09: 40
            +4
            Quote: zoolu350
            We saw a film about Zhukovsky and how it was lurking in the paradise of your bunny-crusted RI, without meeting the understanding of "blue-blooded gentlemen" bathing in luxury. But impoverished Soviet Russia, experiencing enormous difficulties, found the means to create a TsAGI, so streamline it.

            I recommend to study the story of the film "Wedding in Robin". Or cartoons.
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 20 March 2018 09: 58
              +7
              "Wedding in Robin" is essentially a documentary, for it reflects reality 100%.
        4. NordUral
          NordUral 20 March 2018 09: 53
          +3
          Duck and you listen in one ear, not hearing the other.
        5. Olgovich
          Olgovich 20 March 2018 15: 09
          +1
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          I understand that neither about the Vernadsky program on the study of "radiant energy" from 1913

          They cannot even master simple facts about that. that the WHOLE space and atomic projects were carried out by scientists trained in IMPERIAL Universities and IMPERIAL teachers.
          Many took place as scientists before the thief: Ioffe, Khlopin, Mysovsky, Vernadsky, Zhukovsky and many, many others (see graduates of MVTU, SPbU)., and Kurchatov-THEIR students.
      2. 1536
        1536 20 March 2018 11: 05
        +2
        Dear, I’m directly representing how you bought a bottle of beer, voblochki and went to good friends to discuss IV Stalin. Sit, discuss, and outside the window spring, birds sing, beautiful girls walk. And you are all about Stalin. I think that in half an hour of such discussions it will seem to you and your friends that you still forgot something to buy for beer, because, as is known without Stalin, beer without vodka is a waste of money. Fruitless discussions will not lead to anything good.
        Specifically to your note, I inform you that for the "formation of the USSR" EVERYTHING was done by the Soviet people. The Soviet people defeated fascism in the most terrible war. In the face of scientists, engineers and workers, he created the atomic bomb, the space and defense industries, and brought man into space for the first time in the history of mankind. The Soviet people set to rule I.V. Stalin and the Communist Party. After the death of Stalin, the Soviet people debunked his personality cult, and then the Communist Party, sacrificing a lot to this. Nobody has canceled the role of personality in history, but objective historical processes cannot occur at the will of one person or group of persons. And today we are trying to impose this kind of tumbleweed on people who are distant ... or rather, far-fetched.
    2. K.A.S.
      K.A.S. 20 March 2018 07: 05
      +4
      Yes, they did! Especially given at the time of Khrushchev. Then they gave it in the time of Brezhnev, then Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and now they give it. Only now, without ideological pumping, people are slowly evaluating his rule. And they say easier an effective manager, which means a person without sentiment, comes to the corpses, has no moral restrictions!
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 20 March 2018 08: 32
        +4
        Quote: K.A.S.
        And they say easier an effective manager, which means a person without sentiment, comes to the corpses, has no moral restrictions!

        The liberal Nazi is what it's called.
    3. avt
      avt 20 March 2018 08: 10
      +6
      Quote: 1536
      And I would forbid to discuss Stalin at all. At all levels.

      wassat Yes, this is a classic, biblical Pharisee. The world is generally known in comparison and is an intellectual, not an intellectual-pioneer, in comparison it is simply obliged, but not going to extremes, to question everything, relying solely on facts with reference to time.
      1. novel66
        novel66 20 March 2018 09: 52
        +5
        but I would have erected a monument to Stalin. somehow unfair. such a value. enough to be afraid already
        1. seal78
          seal78 21 March 2018 13: 25
          0
          Only one ?
          1. novel66
            novel66 21 March 2018 14: 58
            +1
            the main thing is to start
      2. 1536
        1536 20 March 2018 11: 12
        0
        Sorry, I didn’t understand what you, dear, wanted to say. And what is the meaning and purpose of discussing I.V. Stalin at the domestic and even legislative level, of course, if you do not belong to the community of historians who specialize in this topic? Why not then discuss the role of other party and government leaders? And figures from our recent history. So will we sit and discuss each and every one? Free such discussions will last two days on the strength. And what is the "biblical Pharisee"? Explain?
      3. andj61
        andj61 20 March 2018 11: 53
        0
        Quote: avt
        Quote: 1536
        And I would forbid to discuss Stalin at all. At all levels.

        wassat Yes, this is a classic, biblical Pharisee. The world is generally known in comparison and is an intellectual, not an intellectual-pioneer, in comparison it is simply obliged, but not going to extremes, to question everything, relying solely on facts with reference to time.

        good Stalin is our past. And if the people will study and discuss this period of history - it’s only for everyone’s benefit, it means that people think.
        But at the same time, there are forbidden topics for the United States - these are victims of starvation during the Great Depression in the United States (not less than we have during the so-called famine), the destruction of the civilian population in Dresden, Hamburg, Tokyo by Anglo-American bombers, the destruction of hundreds of thousands of civilians as a result of atomic bombings, the destruction of hundreds of thousands of peaceful Americans during the wars in Korea and Vietnam, etc. hi
    4. NordUral
      NordUral 20 March 2018 10: 02
      +5
      It is not necessary to prohibit the discussion, but to raise the archives (until the Pivovarov burns everything), historians hereby conduct an honest investigation of that time, and put the country on display. And then all questions will disappear, these studies will clearly show the insignificance of the liberal power of Putin and his gang.
      And the greatness of the man whose name and deeds this pack is trying to slander, again and again.
      1. avt
        avt 20 March 2018 10: 16
        +4
        Quote: NordUral
        It’s not necessary to ban the discussion, but to raise the archives (until the Brewers burn everything),

        bully Pivovarov’s little hands are short of reaching where he wants to go.
        Quote: NordUral
        historians hereby conduct an honest investigation of that time, put it on display by the country.

        bully You can’t imagine what will be revealed and in what light the victims of the “bloody tyrant Stalin” will appear, well, all those from the highest echelon were eliminated during the inter-faction almost won in the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks if they only open the archive of the Administrative Department of the Central Committee of the All-Union Bolsheviks bully
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 20 March 2018 10: 44
          +6
          Since the mid-1920s, the Soviet Union, under the leadership of Stalin, abandoned the "world revolution" and began to build "socialism in a single country." Soviet Russia, the USSR defeated fascism and recovered under the leadership of Stalin. For this, they still hate him in the West! But their dreams of destroying Russia did not come true !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          But even at the end of the XNUMXth century, the English newspaper “Truth” (“Pravda”) published the pamphlet “Kaiser’s Dream”. Kaiser lost the war, travels to England to the workhouse. On the map instead of Germany --- small states. Instead of Austria-Hungary --- small states. In place of Russia --- emptiness! Such were the plans for the destruction of Russia.
      2. 1536
        1536 20 March 2018 11: 21
        +2
        All honest investigations and the study of archival documents of the time regarding Stalin and the activities of the CPSU (b) were carried out after the collapse of the USSR. Moreover, at the request of family members of the repressed, the Ministry of Justice provided for familiarization personal files of convicts under Article 58 (there was such an article in the Criminal Code of the RSFSR "for treason against the motherland and counter-revolutionary agitation"). Who wanted to, he familiarized himself, sometimes, finding for himself absolutely amazing things, for example, denunciations of the closest people, colleagues, etc. Each other. All these repressions and outrages were put to an end. What else do you want to know? If repression has affected your family, pass the truth about them in your family from generation to generation. And if you haven’t touched, or ... one of your relatives was engaged in repression and lawlessness himself, so try not to repeat their path.
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 20 March 2018 15: 19
        +2
        Quote: NordUral
        It is not necessary to prohibit the discussion, but to raise the archives (until the Pivovarov burns everything), historians hereby conduct an honest investigation of that time, and put the country on display.

        And HOW, WITHOUT an honest investigation, praise a person ?! lol laughing
        Quote: NordUral
        research will clearly show the nullity of the liberal power of Putin and his gang.


        Yeah, insults to the President of Russia-norm?! fool
    5. T.G.I.
      T.G.I. 20 March 2018 22: 44
      +1
      I apologize that I didn’t enter the forum, but from my great-grandmother I heard a joke in which one inhabitant is interested in the opinion of the other, what he thinks about the current leader of the country, and he answers him:; When he dies, then we'll find out. "It's time, already at the legislative level to ban the fault of the late leaders of the country, including Stalin. Once again, I apologize.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 23: 33
        +1
        Quote: T.G.I.
        It is time, already at the legislative level, to ban the fault of the late leaders of the country, including Stalin. Once again, sorry.

        Why?
        if tagged and drunk did such a thing that for almost 30 years we can’t rake them, what should we praise?
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 20 March 2018 06: 23
    +26
    Senator Narusova proposed equating the justification of Stalinism with the justification of Nazism.


    I do not understand these crazy liberals ...
    Denying Stalin, they deny everything that our ancestors achieved under him ...
    this is industrialization ... this is the complete elimination of illiteracy ... this is the victory over fascism and the creation of the nuclear industry ... under Stalin, the country became a world power and all of this Narusova wants to be equated with Nazism ... she wants to bring us back to the Middle Ages
    Narusov cries for you ... am ... you need to be imprisoned for a couple of years at least for the correct understanding of history.
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 20 March 2018 06: 42
      +17
      Quote: The same Lech
      Senator Narusova proposed equating the justification of Stalinism with the justification of Nazism.
      I do not understand these crazy liberals ...

      And to understand, in reality, is very simple. They need a class society. So that you can live without earning your bread, but getting it by right of ownership in the "higher caste". As soon as Russia replaced the appeal "comrade" with the word "gentleman", it immediately became clear what was going on. Socialism and Stalin do not fit into this world in any way.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 20 March 2018 06: 48
        +13
        As soon as Russia replaced the appeal "comrade" with the word "Mr."


        For me, these individuals are not comrades or even gentlemen ... and there is always a great desire for their abomination to dig out cobblestones or get forks from the back room ... these gentlemen forgot about 1917 ... again want it to be repeated.
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 20 March 2018 06: 52
          +8
          Quote: The same Lech
          ... these gentlemen forgot about the year 1917 ... again they want it to be repeated.

          They are not used to thinking more than one move ahead. Therefore, they behave like that. The stupider the person, the more primitive he behaves. That's the problem. Among these "gentlemen" there are practically no professionals in those areas about which they like to speak.
    2. K.A.S.
      K.A.S. 20 March 2018 07: 58
      +6
      But I want to note that thanks to the liberals you have cars, you can buy any product at any time of the day or year in the store. You can go anywhere in the world. Thanks to the liberals, you have several televisions and computers, do not think about when to buy shoes and clothes! (Only the availability of apartments is annoying now. But this is relative)
      Thanks to the liberals, global concerns open production and Russia and not Russia buys backward technologists for bread and gold taken from their people and this is all done without executions and killings !!!
      And the most important achievement of the liberals is that you can write such comments without fear of becoming an enemy of the people!
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 20 March 2018 08: 13
        +9
        Quote: K.A.S.
        thanks to the liberals

        And to all of the above, such liberal TROLLS appeared!
        1. K.A.S.
          K.A.S. 20 March 2018 09: 03
          +3
          the fact that we are not trolls but I told the truth you can check. go to the nearest store or whether just looking out the window. and even just calculate the amount of equipment and clothing that you have at home!
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 March 2018 09: 09
            +2
            Here I have Arcturus, only there is no needle, the Whirlwind vacuum cleaner, the mafon Electronics, and comp. Spectrum. What do you say?
            1. K.A.S.
              K.A.S. 20 March 2018 09: 26
              +1
              that you are about 70 years old and take care of things because you are used to the fact that it is difficult to get it! well, or a collector of rare things! I have a TV Amber working in the garage is worth throwing a pity !!!
              I wonder how you use it in everyday life? Well, the vacuum cleaner is understandable, but the rest, because now on one flash drive you can download so much that you need to fill up the room with cassettes?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 20 March 2018 09: 31
                +2
                There are no cassettes. I threw them. The whole bag in the trash related. request And now I'm sorry. That's right.
                1. K.A.S.
                  K.A.S. 20 March 2018 09: 41
                  +2
                  everything flows, everything changes. here are books, magazines throw away hand does not rise! are in the basement! I used to have a hobby. remembered some phrase or quote and began to search = poking around in books for hours! and now everything is simple: drove into a search engine, pressed a button and got the result!
            2. captain
              captain 20 March 2018 09: 47
              +5
              She was born on May 2 1951 of the year in Bryansk. Father - Boris Moiseevich Narusovich, after the war he changed his surname to “Narusov” [2] (1923 — 2008) [3], was the platoon commander of the guard company of the Military Commandant’s Office of the Schweinitz District, Meraeburg County, junior lieutenant, worked in the military unit as a Komsomol member.
              Brothers are communists, well, what kind of party do you have, so that no Komsomol, then Gorbachev? Krasnoflazhkovye, why are you on the offspring of your colleague sweetened.
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 20 March 2018 08: 15
        +15
        For example, following your characteristics of the liberals, then I'm nuts. But I want to note that thanks to the liberals you have cars, you can drive at any time of the day or year

        Your identity is not going to discuss it is not welcomed by the rules of the forum smile .
        Further, why on earth do I have a car thanks to the liberals belay ...
        I honestly earned it and paid for it from my salary ... not liberals worked for me and bought it ... smile do not cheat with words.
        I can explain why I don't like crazy liberals ...
        for calling me to abandon the history of my ancestors ...
        they suggest messing them up with dirt by comparing them with the Nazis ... disgusting abomination.
        Further ... liberals impose on me the views of the pederasts and (the text is blocked) ... in your liberals this is considered normal.
        Further ... in economics ... theft ... speculation ... moneylenders, but simply thieves you often call a free market and private entrepreneur ... that is, deceiving citizens is necessary for market development ... deceived millions of people means you successful entrepreneur and the rest are suckers and losers ... etc.
        in general on this subject I can issue a very long comment ... smile
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 08: 27
          +4
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Further, why on earth do I have a car thanks to the liberals ...
          I honestly earned it and paid for it from my salary ... not liberals worked for me and bought it ... do not cheat with words.

          Thanks to the liberalization of the economy, you got the opportunity to calmly buy a car without wasting time on the humiliating “queues for getting”. And, more importantly, you got the opportunity to freely choose one of the many car models — exactly the one that suits you best.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 20 March 2018 08: 32
            +11
            Thank you comforted smile ... now I pay for expensive gasoline, expensive repairs, various taxes, requisitions and the mother of liberals for this gift.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 March 2018 09: 23
              0
              And what kind of tachanka do you have?
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 20 March 2018 11: 10
                0
                And what kind of tachanka do you have?


                You will laugh. smile ... seven injector of the 11th year.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 20 March 2018 11: 15
                  0
                  Yes, my friend .... 10 -11 liters in the city ... I am silent about the interior ...
            2. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 09: 34
              +4
              For the “gift” in the form of expensive gasoline and requisitions, one should not thank the “liberals,” but the Komsomol members and party members who had seized power and leadership positions in the oil companies. It was they who began to "build capitalism" according to the patterns of Soviet textbooks of political economy. For some reason, there is no such nightmare in other countries with a market economy.
          2. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 20 March 2018 09: 05
            +6
            wink Did the sausage win again?
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            Further, why on earth do I have a car thanks to the liberals ...
            I honestly earned it and paid for it from my salary ... not liberals worked for me and bought it ... do not cheat with words.

            Thanks to the liberalization of the economy, you got the opportunity to calmly buy a car without wasting time on the humiliating “queues for getting”. And, more importantly, you got the opportunity to freely choose one of the many car models — exactly the one that suits you best.
          3. K.A.S.
            K.A.S. 20 March 2018 09: 07
            +1
            a week ago, I talked with one person 70 years, during the USSR he settled down quite well and now does not live in poverty, he talked about how he bought a Lada for 5000 rubles, drove it for several months and sold for 10. (laughing more. The peculiarity of Owls is a system that costs a lot more than a new one !! !)
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 March 2018 15: 29
              +1
              Quote: K.A.S.
              as I bought a Lada for 5000 r, I drove it for several months and sold for 10.

              So it was: A FULLY decayed Lada was sold AFTER a new one: the body changed, from the motor, only the number and voila!
          4. Rakti-kali
            Rakti-kali 20 March 2018 10: 01
            +6
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            You got the opportunity to calmly buy a car without wasting time on the humiliating "queues for getting"

            Yeah, yeah ... replacing them with humiliating car loans in banks.
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            And, more importantly, you got the opportunity to freely choose one of the many car models

            Uhhhhhhh ... and instead of the new Cossacks, frets, Muscovites, Volga and other things, you can choose some kind of 10-year-old squad lifan ...
          5. Oleg Kozlov
            Oleg Kozlov 20 March 2018 11: 36
            +9
            Thanks to the liberalization of the economy, we have slipped into the third world and go to shops like museums. Let’s look, we’ll click our tongue, we will lick ourselves and go home. Watch the slogans of the new gentlemen about success. Soon, Egypt might catch up, or even Ethiopia. About the USSR, do not even stutter. You do not know this country. You did not live in it. Or just lying. Those who wanted and were not a loafer, they bought what they wanted and lived well. And social elevators worked for almost everyone.
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 13: 19
              +5
              Quote: Oleg Kozlov
              we go to shops as to museums. Let’s look, we’ll click our tongue, we will lick ourselves and go home.


              I don’t know how, you, but I go to the shops for groceries and things. And I come back with normal food (and not sausage from toilet paper, as in the "wonderful" USSR), I wear normal things, and not dull nonsense, creeping at the seams in one season (hello to Soviet light industry) and I spend not tens of thousands of rubles on it . Maybe we live in a different reality?
              Quote: Oleg Kozlov
              And social elevators worked for almost everyone.

              Yeah. For everyone who is ready to lick the heels of the party leaders.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 14: 26
                +8
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                at. And I return with normal food (and not sausage from toilet paper, as in the "wonderful" USSR)

                first you’re either lying or don’t go to the bo store like sausages (from meat) and cottage cheese (from milk) forgive no, regardless of price
                pr toilet paper in sausage during the USSR, enough nonsense to write
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                I wear normal things, not dull nonsense

                now about things, underpants and socks with the union did not creep out in a week
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 15: 01
                  +2
                  [quote = Vasilenko Vladimir] do not go to the store like sausages (from meat) and cottage cheese (from milk), sorry no, regardless of the price [/ quote]
                  No, you and I are definitely living in parallel realities. The usual store near the house. Normal sausage. And there is meat. And milk. All at affordable prices.
                  [quote = Vasilenko Vladimir] not now about things, panties and socks with the union did not creep in a week [/ quote]
                  Hm. But what about “in union” did people in socks and underpants go?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 16: 04
                    +4
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    The usual store near the house. Normal sausage. And there is meat. And milk. All at affordable prices.

                    you read the ingredients for fun, I say there’s something to compare I live with from my farm and milk from a dairy product I know how it differs, by the way chickens are also solid
                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 16: 12
                    +6
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    Hm. But what about “in union” did people in socks and underpants go?
                    walked shod, dressed and cheerful
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 14: 27
                +7
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                Quote: Oleg Kozlov
                And social elevators worked for almost everyone.
                Yeah. For everyone who is ready to lick the heels of the party leaders.

                I understand that under the Union you did not live
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 15: 02
                  +3
                  Judging by your comment, you either did not find the USSR or you were among the “nomenclature”. Or families of party leaders.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 16: 06
                    +5
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    You either did not find the USSR or you were among the “nomenclature”. Or families of party leaders.

                    born in 72, mother and father are engineers, grandfather and a member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union but a wrong member, and we lived with our families, October, pioneer, Komsomolets, lived in Alma-Ata, there was meat, parents could afford black caviar
              3. Rakti-kali
                Rakti-kali 20 March 2018 16: 00
                +4
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                and not sausage from toilet paper, as in the “wonderful” USSR

                Well, now few people can afford such luxuries. You don’t eat sausages at all on a disability pension.
          6. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 12: 08
            +7
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            Due to the liberalization of the economy

            you either put on your underpants or take off your cross, it's me
        2. captain
          captain 20 March 2018 09: 53
          +3
          Quote: The same Lech
          For example, following your characteristics of the liberals, then I'm nuts. But I want to note that thanks to the liberals you have cars, you can drive at any time of the day or year

          Your identity is not going to discuss it is not welcomed by the rules of the forum smile .
          Further, why on earth do I have a car thanks to the liberals belay ...
          I honestly earned it and paid for it from my salary ... not liberals worked for me and bought it ... smile do not cheat with words.
          I can explain why I don't like crazy liberals ...
          for calling me to abandon the history of my ancestors ...
          they suggest messing them up with dirt by comparing them with the Nazis ... disgusting abomination.
          Further ... liberals impose on me the views of the pederasts and (the text is blocked) ... in your liberals this is considered normal.
          Further ... in economics ... theft ... speculation ... moneylenders, but simply thieves you often call a free market and private entrepreneur ... that is, deceiving citizens is necessary for market development ... deceived millions of people means you successful entrepreneur and the rest are suckers and losers ... etc.
          in general on this subject I can issue a very long comment ... smile

          Dear Alexey !. Here are your ancestors came to Russia after 1917. and you don’t give a damn that the history of the ancestors of all Russians, Tatars, Bashkirs and other peoples of Russia began long before 1917. You are ready to cherish all the Russian and other indigenous peoples of our RUSSIA who have so many lands annexed to our Motherland. For you and others like you (who destroyed the graves of Bagration, Ushakov, Kornilov, Nakhimov and other Russian commanders, to erase the heroic history of Russia), the Russians are holding the sea. So wrote your leader and you agree with him.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 20 March 2018 11: 16
            +2
            You are ready to cherish all the Russian and other indigenous peoples of our RUSSIA who have so many lands annexed to our Motherland.

            What kind of nonsense belay

            I ask you not to touch my personality and not suck out such nonsense from my imagination.
            Wow what Russians keep their faces ... smile hehe my leader wrote ...
            And what leader wrote that? enlighten me ...
            honestly read your scribble laughed for half an hour ... burn in the same vein.
      3. Monarchist
        Monarchist 20 March 2018 08: 40
        +4
        To. A. S. to a certain extent, I agree with you, but you should not admire the Liberals recklessly.
        Now I caught myself thinking: if it weren’t for EBN (I hope the devils in hell aren’t cheating, but they are working honestly) we would not be very opposed to the Liberals
        1. K.A.S.
          K.A.S. 20 March 2018 09: 30
          +1
          Well, I don’t admire them, but simply answer the commentators who understand the whole modern economy by the word liberal !!!
          I also have a claim to modern economic policy, but if you counteract and compare it with the economy of the USSR, then this is ideal and perfection!
      4. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 20 March 2018 09: 57
        +6
        Quote: K.A.S.
        But I want to note that thanks to the liberals you have cars, you can buy any product at any time of the day or year in the store. You can go anywhere in the world. Thanks to the liberals, you have several televisions and computers, do not think about when to buy shoes and clothes!

        Why the hell do you say .... But then, under the sworn communists and rogue socialism, it was less for me (well, with the exception of "go anywhere in the world"), and with benevolent capitalism and noble liberals there is no nichrome, and "go to any point of the world "too?
      5. naidas
        naidas 20 March 2018 13: 26
        0
        I’ll put a plus for subtle humor, although thanks to the Communists they had a TV, washers, refrigerators.
      6. Olgovich
        Olgovich 20 March 2018 15: 24
        +1
        Quote: K.A.S.
        (Only the availability of apartments is annoying now.

        And then the apartments were NOT property, but were surrendered under a “social tenancy agreement”.

        Soviet man naked came into this world and naked - left without leaving ANYTHING for his children: neither his own apartment, nor his car, nor his house, nor his bank account, despite his diligent work ...
        1. vladafer
          vladafer 24 March 2018 00: 42
          +1
          Sho ti breaches something note.
          If you lived in an apartment with your parents, then no one drove you out of there after the death of your parents. The machine elementarily corresponded with his son or daughter, the same thing happened with the house, and with the garden garden. Nobody took money from you that remained in the account in the savings bank. In the USSR, the law on inheritance was also in force.
          Troll, you are a troll ...
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 24 March 2018 10: 35
            0
            Quote: vladafer
            Sho ti breaches something note.

            Are you raving
            Quote: vladafer
            If you lived in an apartment with your parents, then no one drove you out of there after the death of your parents.

            It NOT YOUR apartmenthas not reached yet?
            All these humiliating dumb fictitious marriage-divorce-registration because of this.
            Quote: vladafer
            The machine elementarily corresponded

            How many had a car? fool
            Quote: vladafer
            of funds that remained in the account in the savings bank

            WHO did they have, these miserable "savings"?
            A man came naked, left, left, not earning ANYTHING and not leaving ANYTHING to the children.
            Quote: vladafer
            Troll, you are a troll ...

            Your pointless chatter Nothing, and there is trolling.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 24 March 2018 10: 45
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich
              A pointless chatter by no means - and there is trolling.

              That's right, your shameless, arrogant and deceitful talk, the price for him is a penny on the worst day of the market. Go down already, liar.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 24 March 2018 10: 53
                0
                Quote: badens1111
                That's right, your shameless, arrogant and deceitful idle talk, the price to him is a penny on the worst market day.Get on already, liar.

                Your advice, comrade
                Quote: badens1111
                impudent and deceitful treblets.
                -Push -And right there.
                Thank you hi
                PS ON THE TOPIC of the article, nothing to say? fool
    3. captain
      captain 20 March 2018 09: 42
      +2
      Quote: The same Lech
      Senator Narusova proposed equating the justification of Stalinism with the justification of Nazism.


      I do not understand these crazy liberals ...
      Denying Stalin, they deny everything that our ancestors achieved under him ...
      this is industrialization ... this is the complete elimination of illiteracy ... this is the victory over fascism and the creation of the nuclear industry ... under Stalin, the country became a world power and all of this Narusova wants to be equated with Nazism ... she wants to bring us back to the Middle Ages
      Narusov cries for you ... am ... you need to be imprisoned for a couple of years at least for the correct understanding of history.

      It’s bad that you don’t understand. All these critics of Stalin, such as Svanidze, are usually descendants of the Bolshevik Leninists.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 20 March 2018 11: 18
        0
        How is it that it turns out ... the fathers and grandfathers are fiery Bolsheviks-Leninists and their grandchildren turned out to be ordinary jerks of opportunists ... what kind of metabolism of the worldview in the minds of the next generation. what
  6. Yak28
    Yak28 20 March 2018 06: 25
    +22
    I’m very unpleasant and ashamed of the leadership of our country and Putin personally, that they don’t say a word about Stalin on Victory Day, and that Stalin was intentionally hushed up at the direction of the authorities, but it was under his leadership that the most difficult war in human history was won and a nuclear bomb was created .Stalin didn’t steal millions, didn’t live richly, didn’t hide his children from the war, Stalin’s only misfortune was that after his death, Khrushchev poured slander and lies on him, and in the 90s and 2000s, and even today they lulled this lie with pleasure political scientists like Svanidze.
    1. raw174
      raw174 20 March 2018 07: 15
      +3
      Quote: Yak28
      on the day of victory, not a word is said about Stalin, and Stalin is deliberately kept silent at the direction of the authorities.

      And you are wrong. Yes, they don’t shout everyone from the rostrum, but they say at thematic lessons in schools, they will twist Soviet-era films for three days (Stalin always appears in them), often his profile comes across on banners ...
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 20 March 2018 09: 07
      +5
      Quote: Yak28
      I’m very unpleasant and ashamed of the leadership of our country and Putin personally, that they don’t say a word about Stalin on Victory Day, and that Stalin was intentionally hushed up at the direction of the authorities, but it was under his leadership that the most difficult war in human history was won and a nuclear bomb was created .Stalin didn’t steal millions, didn’t live richly, didn’t hide his children from the war, Stalin’s only misfortune was that after his death, Khrushchev poured slander and lies on him, and in the 90s and 2000s, and even today they lulled this lie with pleasure political scientists like Svanidze.

      Not just you alone. In the country, I think more than one million of these will be typed. But the current comprador power and the oligarchs are the figure of Stalin as a Faberge sickle ... And they can’t ban it and people constantly remind them.
  7. hunn
    hunn 20 March 2018 06: 30
    +19
    When is the wind of history blowing all this garbage away? It’s time to dump this liberal slop bucket and bury it at the landfill.
  8. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 20 March 2018 06: 42
    +4
    Quote: Herkulesich
    Do not confuse all of Russia with one vile living at the expense of the very people that it hates so fiercely! She, like her mentally defective daughter, has a place in the madhouse, and if she still opens her own slack, Kolyma mines will sob on them.

    And who is confusing what? Who is your appeal to?
    It’s an abomination, an ugly one, but no one is in a hurry to deprive it of the post of “senator” ... It turns out that a certain amount of confusion exists? Unfortunately...
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 20 March 2018 07: 11
      +2
      Quote: Hurricane70
      senator’s post nobody hurries to deprive her ...

      And on what basis? Only the population of the region that nominated him can recall the senator. This is a question for the population of Tuva.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 20 March 2018 07: 21
        +7
        Quote: Cube123
        then a question for the population of Tuva

        That is, "nowhere" yes
        The population of Tuva is deeply parallel to the senator whom they once "type chose".
        Costs of Democracy request
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 20 March 2018 07: 24
          +2
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: Cube123
          then a question for the population of Tuva

          That is, "nowhere" yes

          "The law established a new procedure for the formation of the Federation Council, proposed by the president in his Address to the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation on November 5, 2008.
          In accordance with the new law, a candidate for election (appointment) A representative of the Federation Council may be a citizen of the Russian Federation who is a deputy of the legislative (representative) body of state power of a subject of the Russian Federation or a deputy of a representative body of a municipality located on the territory of that subject.
          The new procedure for the formation of the Federation Council will enter into force on January 1, 2011. A transitional period has been established during which the current members of the Federation Council will finalize their term of office.
          RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/spravka/20100805/261713455.html "
          She is not even a resident of Tuva. When "finalizes", perhaps the situation will change.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 20 March 2018 07: 25
            +6
            Quote: Cube123
            She is not even a resident of Tuva

            I know laughing
            As, however, and everything else.
            I say the same:
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Costs of Democracy

            The smallest of evils, by the way. IMHO.
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 20 March 2018 07: 43
              +3
              Interestingly, by the way. The senator cannot be recalled at all. You can only replace it.
              "3. Powers of a member of the Federation Council terminate from the date of entry into force of the decision of the relevant state authority of the subject of the Russian Federation on empowering a new member of the Federation Council - a representative from the same state authority of a subject of the Russian Federation in the manner prescribed by this Federal Law. "
              http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_13
              8549/d1723aa23c8b380457aabec95145357c56e13c67/
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 20 March 2018 07: 45
                +6
                Quote: Cube123
                The senator cannot be recalled at all. You can only replace

                Funny yes.
        2. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 20 March 2018 09: 08
          +1
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: Cube123
          then a question for the population of Tuva

          That is, "nowhere" yes
          The population of Tuva is deeply parallel to the senator whom they once "type chose".
          Costs of Democracy request

          smile Golovan, but I agree with Swami! Residents of Tyva themselves are to blame for choosing Putin
  9. tasha
    tasha 20 March 2018 06: 47
    +2
    I note that like this:
    a significant part of the repression was justified by the current situation.

    you can whitewash any crime. On the other hand, there are "harsh laws of war" ... I wish everyone to be more restrained in their assessments of what happened.
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 20 March 2018 09: 09
      0
      smile So in this way, and the current government does not disdain and nothing dominates.
      Quote: tasha
      I note that like this:
      a significant part of the repression was justified by the current situation.

      you can whitewash any crime. On the other hand, there are "harsh laws of war" ... I wish everyone to be more restrained in their assessments of what happened.
  10. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 20 March 2018 06: 50
    +6
    Quote: Yak28
    I’m very unpleasant and ashamed of the leadership of our country and Putin personally, that they don’t say a word about Stalin on Victory Day, and that Stalin was intentionally hushed up at the direction of the authorities, but it was under his leadership that the most difficult war in human history was won and a nuclear bomb was created .Stalin didn’t steal millions, didn’t live richly, didn’t hide his children from the war, Stalin’s only misfortune was that after his death, Khrushchev poured slander and lies on him, and in the 90s and 2000s, and even today they lulled this lie with pleasure political scientists like Svanidze.

    Well, thanks to God, Svanidze was debunked ... Already on TV, he is rare, since he, as a false historian, is not interesting to anyone ... It’s not without reason that his name is Svinidze. So in the garbage dump they have one foot already, all these Svanidze, Mlechins and others like them ...
  11. aszzz888
    aszzz888 20 March 2018 06: 54
    +6
    Senator Narusova proposed equating the justification of Stalinism with the justification of Nazism.

    So already discussed on the site the proposal of Senator Urusova, and part-time mother K.Sobchak! And most of the VO site visitors rated the senator, which she deserved. I support most members of the forum.
  12. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 20 March 2018 06: 57
    +7
    Quote: 1536
    And I would forbid to discuss Stalin at all. At all levels. History and people gave him an assessment. What else is not clear to someone? Here in Russia no one is holding anyone, if you don't like it, the tablecloth is expensive.

    Reasonable! After all, what happens: the servant of the people chosen by the people has the right to say that Stalin is evil, contrary to the general opinion of the very people who chose it and says that Stalin is good !!! Do you understand this paradox?
    Only with us it is still possible! From this you need to start, clean them, fill them with steamers and send them to where they are fed, into a democratic world! And we need to go forward, we are not on the road with pseudo-intelligentsia, which has gone awry from impunity, although what .....
  13. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 20 March 2018 07: 03
    +3
    Quote: tasha
    I note that like this:
    a significant part of the repression was justified by the current situation.

    you can whitewash any crime. On the other hand, there are "harsh laws of war" ... I wish everyone to be more restrained in their assessments of what happened.

    This restraint us as slaves for the second time almost made! I wish you to study History with restraint and in-depth, not from textbooks, but through other channels, memoirs, memoirs, articles of contemporaries of that time, recently declassified documents, since there are many of them now, and one hindrance, they are sorely lacking ...
  14. samarin1969
    samarin1969 20 March 2018 07: 06
    +3
    The author does not see the obvious. Over the past 10 years, power has been smoothly moving away from betting on "scrapings" of Orthodoxy, the Romanovs, continuity of eras .... Now the idea that the Bolsheviks picked up "unnecessary power" in 1917 is in vogue. And if, who was the enemy, then only the "Trotskyists". And the abundance of symbolism, films, songs rather testify to the glorification policy of the USSR. The last anniversary of the Red Army is an obvious symbol.
    1. zoolu350
      zoolu350 20 March 2018 09: 17
      +2
      Yeah, the series on 1 “Trotsky” and “Demon of the Revolution” are just about the modern “popularization” of Bolshevism. Just before March 18, the oligarchy of the Russian Federation gave the command "not to escalate", but now it will come off in the field of anti-Soviet completely.
  15. raw174
    raw174 20 March 2018 07: 08
    +17
    Destalinization - utter nonsense! Stalin is part of our story! He, including not least - the smith of victory in the Second World War! Stalin did a lot for the country, and the methods probably weren’t always soft, and sometimes cruel, but the times weren’t easy! And by this! Equating Stalin with the Nazis is a crime!
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 09: 03
      +4
      Quote: raw174
      He, including not least - the smith of victory in the Second World War! WITH

      He, not least responsible for the grave defeats of 1941. For Kharkov-1942. Because we entered the war without allies, nothing prevented Dzhugashvili from helping France in 1940; the French would have carried it in their arms after this. But no. The half-educated seminarist considered himself the most cunning politician in the world. I thought that "imperialist capitalists will exhaust each other." And ordinary people had to pay for his mistakes. It is not in vain that Molotov in his memoirs says that when after the fall of Minsk the Politburo came to Dzhugashvili, he thought that they would arrest him. He understood that he was responsible for what was happening.
      1. Orang
        Orang 20 March 2018 09: 35
        +8
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        nothing prevented Dzhugashvili from helping France in 1940

        Hand face. The USSR proposed measures for European security several times, and all rejected them, including France. Hitler was raised against the USSR. why on earth was helping in the 40th and most importantly how?
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        the French would carry it in their arms
        Yeah, there are "bros" still wearing.
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 13: 22
          +3
          Quote: Orang
          Hitler was raised against the USSR. why on earth was helping in the 40th and most importantly how


          Why on earth? And in such a way as to prevent a Hitlerite strike on the USSR! “My fight” of this maniac was translated into Russian in 1933. Everyone knew how he relates to the USSR. But to help the French turned out to be higher than the strength of people blinded by a hatred ideology.
          1. Orang
            Orang 20 March 2018 13: 31
            +2
            The plans of the Anglo-French in the 40th year to attack the USSR are known, I hope this is not a secret for you. There was a lack of time when Hitler went west. To help? I repeat: the peace initiatives of the USSR were blocked, including France.
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      3. raw174
        raw174 20 March 2018 10: 54
        +5
        This is not the first time I have entered into a debate on this subject ...
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        He, not least responsible for the grave defeats of 1941.

        Thanks to industrialization and the development of industry, our army received modern weapons, primarily tanks. If it were not for these pre-war actions of Stalin, it would not have been May 9 in Berlin, but September 9 in Moscow! Yes, the USSR suffered territorial and huge casualties in the first years of the war, but we know its outcome ... I understand your feelings, I understand that you are saddened by the victory of the USSR in the Second World War, but this is the story ...
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        nothing prevented Dzhugashvili from assisting France in 1940; the French would carry it in their arms after this.

        And why the hell? First, why? and secondly, the USSR was not ready to fight Europe in the 39th. and thirdly - well, all the same, why should we defend France if the French did not and preferred shameful surrender?
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 13: 26
          +3
          I already answered above. France capitulated only when the British threw it at the mercy of the Germans. And we did not have to defend France, but ourselves. Understand that entering a war with the allies, any country reduces the number of guns and rifles aimed at their soldiers. We would help the French, and the Victory Parade would be September 9, 1940. And more soldiers and officers could see him.
          1. raw174
            raw174 20 March 2018 15: 05
            +5
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            France capitulated only when the British threw it at the mercy of the Germans.

            France capitulated when she saw the enemy through a telescope!
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            And we did not have to defend France, but ourselves.

            We defended ourselves and our own, and the Anglo-Saxons ... fire, let them understand ...
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            Understand that entering a war with the allies, any country reduces the number of guns and rifles aimed at their soldiers.

            Stop! How to protect France? By sending an expeditionary force? But then the same bayonets of the enemy will be sent to our soldiers cut off from their land and their supply centers. How much would we fight on croissants? I don’t think ... Would our soldiers fight just as courageously for an unfriendly France? I don’t think ... but if the expeditionary forces were crushed there, the Germans would have received a weakened army on the territory of the USSR.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 20 March 2018 15: 34
            0
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            I already answered above. France capitulated only when the British threw it at the mercy of the Germans. And we should not defend France, but ourselves

            Do not understand.
            They don’t even understand that without a thief and a Second World War there wouldn’t be ...
          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 16: 00
            +2
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            France capitulated only when the British threw it at the mercy of the Germans.

            Did you study at school?
            By the way, they fight for the Motherland not only when they help you, but also when you are completely alone and the chances are zero
      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 12: 07
        +4
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        Because we entered the war without allies

        and whom do you see as allies, Poland or England?
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 13: 26
          +3
          France Which laid down their arms, not wanting to fight for British interests.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 13: 54
            +4
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            France Which laid down their arms, not wanting to fight for British interests.

            I understand that you did not study history at school
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 14: 57
              +3
              These words are easily related to you. Remember that Britain in fact betrayed France in Dunkirk.
              1. raw174
                raw174 21 March 2018 06: 38
                +2
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                Remember that Britain in fact betrayed France in Dunkirk.

                Recently, someone posted a joke here:
                How many French do you need to protect Paris? It is not known, never tried. It’s kind of like an English joke, but in fact, it’s not a joke ...
                And what do you think, maybe we should have surrendered Leningrad and not to fight so hard for Stalingrad? You see, now a dark Bavarian sausage would be jammed ... Maybe you have such an opinion?
            2. seal78
              seal78 21 March 2018 17: 14
              +1
              In which school ? This is a "lieutenant". Three classes of the parish)
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 13: 54
            0
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            France

            -
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 16: 08
              +2
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              that Britain in fact betrayed France at Dunkirk.

              iii? so you need to pass the homeland?
              remind you of Yugoslavia
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 20 March 2018 09: 10
      +2
      laughing I’m just afraid that after some time a deputinization policy will be pursued.
    3. seal78
      seal78 21 March 2018 13: 57
      +2
      Where exactly were Stalin's methods cruel? In my opinion, he was too kind and gentle to any scum.
  16. apro
    apro 20 March 2018 07: 21
    +5
    A coup has taken place, the social system has changed, ideology has collapsed. What should we discuss now? Then some tasks were set now others. There was one goal-setting, now the goal is PERSONAL enrichment by any means. .
    Capitalism has spread all points. It has penetrated into all spheres of activity. It is slowly killing public consciousness and instilling a cult of personal gain.
  17. kvs207
    kvs207 20 March 2018 07: 24
    +13
    Senator Lyudmila Narusova

    It is interesting why, in the role of “exposers”, mainly representatives of the intelligentsia and descendants of those who, under Stalin, and in general, in the USSR, lived wonderful?
  18. kvs207
    kvs207 20 March 2018 07: 28
    +12
    Quote: samarin1969
    The last anniversary of the Red Army is an obvious symbol.

    Are you not mistaken?
    In Culture, a series of programs has been launched to mark the 100th anniversary of the so-called “Ice campaign”, but not a word dedicated to the 100th anniversary of the Red Army. But it was she who defeated Hitler, and not the "white and fluffy" White Guards and others like them.
  19. Chord
    Chord 20 March 2018 07: 34
    +9
    Let’s cross out history, get rid of memory .... but isn’t the obvious result of this right before our eyes? Degradation to another 404? For such instigators, and other, fifth, there is a great place-the Gulag. And apparently the realization of this strongly pulls Faberge
  20. parusnik
    parusnik 20 March 2018 07: 57
    +7
    "Lady in a turban" - Narusova decided to light up when you cannot offer anything positive, it is necessary once again to bark about de-Stalinization and desovetization ....
  21. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 08: 05
    +6
    For a long time I have not seen such deceitful and disgusting articles on VO.
    the principle of social justice, began to create a society of service and creation. The man in this society was a creator, creator, and served the great Motherland.

    Ministry and Creation? That is, scientists sitting in special prisons are representatives of a society of creation? And the mass denunciations and the settlement of the NKVD employees in the apartments of the killed are social justice?
    Religions that separate people, peoples, slowly died out and were replaced by the rule of ethics of conscience.

    Ethics of conscience? The search for ubiquitous "pests" and killing people for a broken bust of the "leader" is the "ethics of conscience" ?!
    Take for comparison the "heroes" of the 1990s and 2000s: bandits, pros. retribution, acting actors, idols of pop culture (culture of decay)

    The author stubbornly does not want to notice that all these “heroes” are emigrants from the CPSU and the Komsomol.
    Yu. Mukhin, I. Pykhalov, A. Martirosyan, S. Kara-Murza, Yu. Zhukov

    The works of these “historians” are full of lies and fraud aimed at justifying Dzhugashvili, so they cannot be called objective.
    In the end, the article is a fat minus for the justification of lawlessness and outright lies, coupled with crazy conspiracy theories.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 20 March 2018 08: 27
      +10
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin

      Well, what will you do - every lieutenant - Bonaparte!
      Every second prince of Savoy, there is no one to fight!
      "Two comrades served"
      1. seal78
        seal78 21 March 2018 14: 04
        0
        But what the fuck is a lieutenant? This is just a nickname.
    2. apro
      apro 20 March 2018 08: 30
      +3
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      In the end, the article is a fat minus for the justification of lawlessness and outright lies, coupled with crazy conspiracy theories.

      The lieutenant does not agree. It was all according to the law of that country. And we judge by this one. And what was then considered true today is a lie.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 08: 35
        +3
        Let me disagree with you. According to the Constitution of the USSR, the Supreme Legislature had the highest legislative power. Justice could only be exercised by the courts. The “troika” of the NKVD were created on the basis of a departmental order and “condemned” people in complete contradiction with the norms of the Constitution.
        1. apro
          apro 20 March 2018 10: 02
          0
          Not a department. but by the decision of the Soviet government. there is nothing illegal there.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 14: 05
            +3
            Moreover. The government, as the executive branch, had no right to create a quasi-judicial massacre.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 20 March 2018 15: 44
            0
            Quote: apro
            e department. but by the decision of the Soviet government. there is nothing illegal there.

            . The triples are created in accordance with the NKVD Order 0047.
            A canceled, yes, SNK
    3. badens1111
      badens1111 20 March 2018 08: 36
      +10
      For a long time I did not read such a frank, essentially Nazi view of the History of Russia.
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      For a long time I have not seen such deceitful and disgusting articles on VO.

      It’s been a long time since I read such impudent adherence to the patterns of the utterly perverted representatives of the liberal community hiding under various masks, whether there are monarchists, extreme nationalists, essentially all single-liberal Nazis.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 08: 57
        +4
        Hello Mr. Baden! I haven’t heard you for a long time. Tell me, what exactly in my comment do you consider a “Nazi look”? The fact that scientists were sitting in "sharashka? Then read the biographies of Tupolev, Korolev, Petlyakov. Or say what the Nazis wrote?
        Will you deny denunciations? Then read the memoirs of Rokossovsky or Zhukov. The second, by the way, was more fortunate, but denunciations were written on both commanders.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 March 2018 09: 01
          +1
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Petlyakova.

          Who is this? Deputy Ordzhonikidze, or what? His name was Pyatakov.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 09: 10
            +4
            I am ashamed not to know my native history! Vladimir Mikhailovich Petlyakov — an aircraft designer, a student at the Imperial Moscow Technical School, a student of Zhukovsky’s courses, during the Second World War developed the Pe-2 dive aircraft and the Pe-3 high-altitude fighter.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 March 2018 09: 16
              +1
              I agree. I'm talking about Pyatakov in general. They shot him. Ordzhonikidze hit Stalin after that.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 09: 30
                +4
                I did not know this story. However, not surprised — the Politburo always resembled a jar of spiders.
            2. badens1111
              badens1111 20 March 2018 09: 17
              +5
              It’s a shame not to know that denunciations were written by persons similar in views to your interpretation of those events here. And the vast majority of the so-called subverters of the USSR have in their ancestors those who committed directly criminal acts, for which they were convicted. not like you are fantasizing here.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 09: 31
                +4
                Mr. Baden, the right word, the poverty of your imagination upsets me. Could invent something more original than an attempt to provoke an opponent to be rude through insults to his ancestors.
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 20 March 2018 09: 54
                  +3
                  To be rude to the captain, you stand each other in your limitations.
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 20 March 2018 09: 36
                +4
                That you have read Solzhenicev. he.
        2. seal78
          seal78 21 March 2018 14: 07
          +1
          Yeah, and the denunciations, presumably, made Stalin personally write)
  22. Alex66
    Alex66 20 March 2018 08: 10
    +11
    And let's look at the newly elected president in the light of this article, that he is building a society of highly moral, creative personalities ready to explore outer space or a society of exploitation of their own kind, where is man a wolf? The answer is clear to those hyenas that came to power in the 90s and they are now at the trough of money. So Russia does not have a bright future on this path, temporary improvements are possible, but it is a path to degradation, a path of devouring its own kind.
  23. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 20 March 2018 08: 15
    +10
    . The people must repent for the crimes of the revolution, civil war, famine, collectivization, repression of the 1920s-1930s, etc.
    And then what have the people to do with it? I personally do not intend to repent for anything, and the country in general is not worth pouring mud on myself. To such "masochists" then they treat the whole world accordingly - they wipe their feet ... But let Narusova repent of whatever she wants - we have a free country and this is her personal affair ...
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 20 March 2018 08: 22
      +4
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      I personally do not intend to repent for anything, and the country in general is not worth pouring mud on myself.

      good good good
      Especially since "repentance" is always! compensation claim follows.
    2. seal78
      seal78 21 March 2018 14: 09
      +1
      Narusova let herself repent of what she wants

      Yes, but only on my own behalf, and not being a member of the Federation Council.
  24. Monarchist
    Monarchist 20 March 2018 08: 26
    +2
    Quote: 1536
    And I would forbid to discuss Stalin at all. At all levels. History and people gave him an assessment. What else is not clear to someone? Here in Russia no one is holding anyone, if you don't like it, the tablecloth is expensive.

    In my opinion, you only play along with this prohibition to the librarians: since it is forbidden, then the logic of the librast is afraid
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 20 March 2018 08: 39
      +6
      It is possible to discuss, it is impossible to condemn - the convict has not yet grown. We have not yet realized the greatness made by Stalin I.V.
  25. Monarchist
    Monarchist 20 March 2018 08: 28
    +3
    Quote: parusnik
    "Lady in a turban" - Narusova decided to light up when you cannot offer anything positive, it is necessary once again to bark about de-Stalinization and desovetization ....

    Everything is simpler: she helps her daughter.
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 20 March 2018 08: 30
      +3
      Quote: Monarchist
      Everything is simpler: she helps her daughter.

      This is bad help. There is a good Russian word "meager".
  26. Shurale
    Shurale 20 March 2018 08: 31
    +2
    Enough to pull the same thing, what exactly do you propose doing? Rifles when to start distributing?
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    1. zoolu350
      zoolu350 20 March 2018 09: 25
      +10
      The poor Russian people, Stalin, was genocidal, and their numbers were only growing, as was their influence on the planet. But here you came, Bulk-crunches, neovlasovtsy and liberals and began to “love” the Russian people and “take care” of it, though from your “love and care” it began to die out rapidly and everyone began to wipe its feet. With this approach, your beautiful Russia will narrow to the size of the Moscow Ring Road.
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        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 20 March 2018 13: 51
          +2
          I listed the Bulk Khrusts who did not take the oath of the USSR, did not have a Komsomol ticket, and did not serve in the KGB. In my period, too, none of this was due to my infancy, but my views are different.
          Then you described typical "neovlasovtsy" who under Stalin either worked hard in the camps or hung on the crossbar, but for some reason Stalin is to blame for you again.
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            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 20 March 2018 14: 24
              +3
              Quote: Cheerful
              "Rafik the Innocent." Neither in the famine of 1933-1934, nor in the monstrous losses of the Soviet-Finnish and Soviet-German war. All the traitor-pest-Trotskyists arranged. "The king is good - the boyars are bad."
              Each of your comments only confirms your dementia (if you really love Russia) or meanness (if under the guise of patriotic rhetoric you deliberately block the mass murderer)

              Well, your bully-wretched wretchedness is visible with the naked eye. You do not blame Nicholas No. 2 for the monstrous losses of the Russian-Japanese and WWI, although a complete drain was added to the losses there, as well as regular starvations during the reign of this character. And for the famine of 1933-34, the unsuccessful operations of 1939. and 1941-42. The Stalinist government did not relieve itself. Situations were corrected, the causes of failures sorted out, the perpetrators punished. That is, they worked systematically, to Victory, in contrast to the complete impunity and defeat in the days of Nicholas No. 2 and now under the power of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation.
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                1. zoolu350
                  zoolu350 20 March 2018 16: 18
                  +2
                  Oops, they famously missed the Russo-Japanese war with its Tsushima. Where did you dig out the miserable figure of 1 to 3? The losses of the Red Army are higher than those of the European Union No. 1 only because of the destroyed prisoners, but there is not even 1 to 2. Well, I don’t even want to comment on the nonsense about the rear-wheel drive orientation of Stalin, because with him these individuals were prosecuted by law, and not promoted and lived in chocolate, like RI and the Russian Federation.
                  That is, to lose in the presence of a real "second front" and not one, the absence of a surprise attack and motorization of the enemy in 1915. vast territories of the country is not a disaster? What can be a change in the conditions as you write a "ready-made victorious offensive"? Cheating happens when "everything is very bad." The Soviet government did not start a war with the Germans, did not bring to a state of collapse during its conduct (this was done by Nikolai No. 2 and the Provisional Government), the country and the army had to be restored. You would still be tsar Mikhail Romanov for the Stolbovsky Peace and the Deulinskoy truce to the traitors.
    2. Oleg Kozlov
      Oleg Kozlov 20 March 2018 11: 50
      +2
      I'm curious. Are you broadcasting from a distant future? You tell tales here ... all kinds of gossip ... ravings ... dreams of the sick at the head ....
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  29. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 20 March 2018 08: 35
    +3
    Mother decided against her daughter’s background to remind herself ... how did she happen to be in the Federation Council? Who is she to talk about such things? No wonder they say ... apple tree from an apple tree ...
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    1. zoolu350
      zoolu350 20 March 2018 09: 27
      +2
      Because she is Kuma hired manager of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation.
    2. Koshak
      Koshak 20 March 2018 19: 08
      +1
      Good selection of quotes! Again, the wrong people .... crying
  31. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 20 March 2018 08: 47
    +1
    If you look at the history of our country, then an interesting trend is emerging as soon as the authorities allowed slack, as soon as the country was headed by a weak man, as soon as some kind of liberal liberty ... everything ... confusion, stagger and, as a result, very sad. Alexander 2 decided to give freedom .. did not screw it during the nut and that in the end, those who were given slack, they blew it up ... Nicola came
  32. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 20 March 2018 08: 50
    +1
    Nikolay 2 came to power, initially weak .... and what in the end ??
    And if all these discussions were allowed, Trotsky, Bukharin and others what way to go the country, without a clear distinct line, what would be the result ?? in my opinion it is obvious .... Traitor, liar talker and laughter, and after drunk, what led? ??
    And yet, any significant PERSONALITY in history has always, everywhere evoked and will evoke completely opposite points of view and opinions, not only in Russia ...
  33. Rey_ka
    Rey_ka 20 March 2018 08: 55
    +1
    The concept of "repentance" is already so ruined by the liberals. I advise at least one priest to contact me. Repentance is possible only before God as the source of Truth. Repentance before people, in principle, is not possible as before the bearer of vice and sinfulness!
  34. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 20 March 2018 08: 57
    0
    The oligarchs will need to carry out both de-Stalinization and decom-communization. While it is not profitable for them. With the help of this, it is possible to split the society and create the appearance of the struggle in the elections.
  35. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 20 March 2018 09: 07
    +3
    We are called to repent and pay, repent and yield to all and in all. This lady would go to church, and repent herself for her sins, and her relatives.
    1. sib.ataman
      sib.ataman 20 March 2018 09: 38
      +3
      Such scum do not repent. They are infallible! It is we, mired in sins, and they are in order to remind us of this.
  36. Arkady Kharitonov
    Arkady Kharitonov 20 March 2018 09: 18
    0
    it would be better if Putin appointed his horse as a senator than Narusov.
  37. NordUral
    NordUral 20 March 2018 09: 22
    +2
    Abstained, remained silent? They expressed "protest" without appearing at the polls, and made it more liberal to destroy the country further. So look how Madame Narusova, the glorious successor of her husband’s dirty deeds, calls for the destruction of Russia, real Russia, and not the semblance of a state that we now have in a country that is not ours.
    If these calls work, then there will be no future for us at all, although, as these "elections" have shown, the future is already foggy. We fell into a terrible trap. And one must come to the polls, and one cannot do this. In the first case, you unwittingly play along with the gang in power, making a mass appearance, in the second - you show that you are not satisfied with this candidate and this power, but here they still have the possibility of fraud, although much less.
    And yet I think that bulk was right, although I am not a supporter, only a popular boycott of the elections can make this gang listen to the people. Although they will not give up power voluntarily, there is nothing to hope for.
  38. BAI
    BAI 20 March 2018 09: 26
    0
    "Senator Narusova" began to prepare a spare site in the opposition. He understands that in 6 years he will get a kick in the ass from SovFed.
  39. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 20 March 2018 09: 33
    +5
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    Only one Dzhugashvili had about 20 "State cottages", quite comparable with the palaces. True, formally they belonged to the "state", but in reality they were used by one person. http://m.diletant.media/excursions/37757056/


    Lieutenant! Did you accompany the leader to these summer cottages? Or they voiced the next vyser of the libelous libelists, who themselves having reached the trough, demonstrate how to grab and shove in three throats! Surnames, such as Chubais, Abramovich and the same Narusova do not say anything?
  40. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 20 March 2018 09: 49
    +2
    Senator Narusova proposed equating the justification of Stalinism with the justification of Nazism
    they have the whole family with a fool?
  41. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 20 March 2018 09: 52
    +5
    Quote: Cheerful
    In the beautiful Russia of the future, Stalinism will be recognized as a mental disorder, and its bearers - as mentally disabled mentally disabled, for in order to glorify the person DIRECTLY guilty of the genocide of the Russian people, whose criminal incompetence cost us tens of millions of human lives we need to be very sick at heart.


    Cheerless, you say? Because you are talking nonsense! And will you risk repeating this on May 9 in the circle of WWII veterans?
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  42. Strashila
    Strashila 20 March 2018 10: 09
    +3
    De-Stalinization = De-Industrialization + Degradation + Dein
    tagration
  43. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 20 March 2018 10: 18
    +8
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    Let me disagree with you. According to the Constitution of the USSR, the Supreme Legislature had the highest legislative power. Justice could only be exercised by the courts. The “troika” of the NKVD were created on the basis of a departmental order and “condemned” people in complete contradiction with the norms of the Constitution.


    Sucks, lieutenant, taught history! "Troika" never consisted of security officers alone! In addition to the Chekist (and sometimes without it), the top three was necessarily the representative of the executive branch, as well as the court (the so-called reduced composition of the court). The three from the ordinary court differed in the expedited order of the proceedings. You will also outlaw the military field tribunals (the entire WWII worked tirelessly), which work in exactly the same way! Lieutenant, are you a pacifist? Then take off your epaulettes!
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 20 March 2018 13: 30
      +4
      You have a problem with the story. Read the text of order N 00447. You will see that there the prosecutors on an optional basis could be included in the trio. Discover the constitution of the USSR and a textbook on the theory of state and law. And finally, understand that the representatives of the executive power DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO JUDGE.
  44. Old26
    Old26 20 March 2018 10: 24
    +4
    In Russia, they again talked about de-Stalinization. Senator Narusova proposed equating the justification of Stalinism with the justification of Nazism.

    In Russia? Or is it the opinion of one individual who has not manifested herself in anything other than such epic statements? Something the phrase "They spoke again in Russia ,,,," recalls the famous phrase "We, Nicholas II ..." Something is not heard of such conversations. Maybe they are voiced at some liberal parties, but not among the general population.

    Quote: 1536
    And I would forbid to discuss Stalin at all. At all levels. History and people gave him an assessment. What else is not clear to someone? Here in Russia no one is holding anyone, if you don't like it, the tablecloth is expensive.

    And in vain. it should be a discussion of him, his affairs. And it would be desirable to do this most widely. For now all his actions are covered with such a layer of dirt and garbage that you can invent anything you want. For the well-known Goebbels principle operates, the greater the lie, the faster they will believe in it. You can manipulate the numbers on the TV screen as you like. But it is really possible to really discuss the time of Stalin, relying on documents - it would be necessary on the contrary.
    What you offer will again contribute to the emergence of two types of myths. One for Stalin, the second against him. And in fact, for many, oh, how not clear. Almost 2-3 generations grew on what they were told. namely, that Stalin was largely to blame. And the most “unkilled" trump card in such conversations and discussions was the issue of repression. The numbers jumped from hundreds of thousands to hundreds of millions.
    Need to discuss. To discuss, not to arrange, from such discussions, the Sabbath.
    And then, what does it mean, if you don’t like it, to say the tablecloth is the way? Now you will determine whether the enemy is a person or a friend. If you do not admire Stalin, not a Stalinist - then the enemy and out of the country. Why are you better than these liberals?

    A variety of opinions, even about the activities of the country's leaders, is a completely normal state of society. For example, I have never been a Stalinist (although there are such among my friends), But I always believed that Stalin was among the five most prominent political figures of the 20th century. Regarding Putin, I also don’t like everything in his work, so what?

    Quote: K.A.S.
    But I want to note that thanks to the liberals you have cars, you can buy any product at any time of the day or year in the store. You can go anywhere in the world.

    That's just due to the same liberals there was a stratification of society. Thanks to them, the unemployed appeared. Yes, I can go and buy a car. But for this I need only one thing - to have money. And I can fly to any country in the world - again, with money. The difference is that without liberals I could buy a car, with difficulties, but buy. And save up money for the trip during the year. Yes, not to Thailand or the Seychelles, but to Bulgaria, Hungary or the GDR - easily. Now, even working on a couple of works, I can hardly let a week rest in the Maldives or the Seychelles.

    Quote: K.A.S.
    Thanks to the liberals, you have several TVs

    Well, my family had a couple of TVs in the days of the USSR. One b / w, the second color, bought later. Yes, computers were not on sale, but you should not put their appearance only on credit to the liberals. The first computers used as game consoles appeared in people back in the days of Gorbachev. The fact that computers were not massively had two conditions. First, the policy of the CPSU did not give direct access to information; therefore, foreign literature, magazines and other things were often not on sale. The second - just the liberals' coming to power coincided with the creation of such a thing as the Internet, the emergence of software (operating systems) of such a level that now allows us to use it simply. If you hadn’t appeared in the early 1s, the Windows OS - there would have been no such leap in the appearance and development of computers. so it wasn’t thanks to the liberals that they appeared, but under the "evil communists" they were, but inaccessible to the people

    Quote: K.A.S.
    Thanks to the liberals, global concerns open production and Russia and not Russia buys backward technologists for bread and gold taken from their people and this is all done without executions and killings !!!

    it was necessary, but I did not know, living in the 60s - 70s - 80s, that what I had (a portable TV, a good radio, a good refrigerator) - all this turns out to be for the bread I’ve taken gold, as a result of executions and murders ....

    It seems that in the heat of controversy you respected have reported ...

    Quote: K.A.S.
    a week ago, I talked with one person 70 years, during the USSR he settled down quite well and now does not live in poverty, he talked about how he bought a Lada for 5000 rubles, drove it for several months and sold for 10. (laughing more. The peculiarity of Owls is a system that costs a lot more than a new one !! !)

    Based on one case, do you make conclusions about the whole system? My friends stood in line for several years bought a "penny". We went on it for at least 10 years, that's for sure. Then they sold it as obsolete for a much smaller amount. You, on the basis of one speculator, conclude that the whole system is vicious
  45. passing
    passing 20 March 2018 10: 52
    +1
    Appointed as a senator, sort of with the elite and money, like a ... honorary pension. No, you have to open your mouth, show your stupidity and hatred of the people. So the daughter is the same. From aspen, oranges will not be born
  46. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 20 March 2018 10: 54
    +7
    How long does it take to endure the abominable tricks of the liberals? In their speeches, the liberals (Narusov and others ...) are likened to inadequate Ukrainians, Poles, Baltic states, who "advocate" for "decommunization"! How many "perplexities" have already been expressed about the abomination that the "sworn neighbors" do, how many have condemned them, but it turns out that "their" dirty tricks do not appease! For some reason, the Soviet period rooted this shushura, like the sign of Christ ghouls and other evil spirits! And this is happening, as if by order, right now, when Russia is experiencing a difficult situation ... when the unity of society (people) before the threat of the 3MB is extremely necessary! The possessed Narusova and her company for some reason (?) Are now eager to create discord in the country! Who chose, promoted this "misunderstanding" - to Narusov? What does it take to “push” it back? It is necessary to do this, because “dreams” about Bavarian beer, “tears” of Kolenka and utterances of the Narusova are links of one chain. Through the efforts of the Russo-like people, a generation of “knees” appears that do not know their native history (and do not want to know her), but dreaming of "Bavarian beer"!
  47. Thompson
    Thompson 20 March 2018 11: 41
    +1
    Quote: K.A.S.
    I think that under Stalin you would also not watered power!
    I think that if the supporters of collectivization, whose ancestors were dispossessed, would offer compensation for the taken away plots, livestock. many of them will change their minds at home!

    And where did you see the PARTIES of collectivization in which the ancestors were DISCLOSED ???
    I think that if those who were EXPLAINED then dispossessed were offered to do it again, they would do it more carefully!
  48. Monarchist
    Monarchist 20 March 2018 11: 42
    +2
    Madame Cheat forgot that liberal Yavlinsky and businessman Titov are also outsiders.
    I wish the author: no need for such flashy headlines. It’s more to the newspaper’s reporters than to the historian.
  49. Thompson
    Thompson 20 March 2018 11: 50
    +6
    Quote: Cheerful
    No risk. Among the real front-line veterans there are no and cannot be Stalinists - they saw this war in the first person. And the opinions of mummers, political instructors, and rear rats are not relevant.

    It’s strange. We should ask in the first person, those who fought under the leadership of Suvorov, Ushakov ... among them, too, there could not be Suvorovists, Ushakovs ???
    Today you are the very mummer. And if today was a war you would be a traitor. This is your philosophy.
  50. Laurus
    Laurus 20 March 2018 11: 53
    +7
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    See above. Trite did not have time. Like all dictators, he thought that he would live a very long time, due to the fact that frightened accomplices-party members would protect him like the apple of an eye. Miscalculated.

    Are you a contemporary of Stalin and he personally shared his thoughts with you? Or did you summon and question his spirit in a seance? If not, then relieve us of your inadequate conjectures and fantasies. It is better to re-read Solzhenitsin, just reading for you.