US Marines ordered 35000 M17 and M18 pistols

Following the US Army, the decision to replace their pistols took the US Marine Corps, reports "Warspot" with a link to thefirearmblog.com portal.

In January last year, the US Army announced the winner of the tender XM17 Modular Handgun System. It turned out to be a M17 pistol - a modification of the SIG Sauer P320, designed to meet the requirements of the US Department of Defense. The new pistol will be supplied to troops in the caliber 9 × 19 Parabellum, with the manufacturer indicating that weapon is modular and can be easily converted to fire .357SIG and .40 S&W cartridges.

Last May, the United States Marine Corps officially adopted the M17 and M18 pistols (the compact version of the M17), and no plans were made to purchase them.

The military command has budgeted for the 2019 year for the purchase of 35 000 new pistols. Initially, the troops will receive the first batch of 2000 units, and after their trial operation, a decision will be made on further purchases. At the same time, marines will most likely get M18 pistols, since the planned purchases include holsters for this particular model.

To date, four models of pistols are in service with KMP: Beretta M9 and M9A1, M45A1 (Colt 1911) and M007 (Glock 19). M18 will replace them all, which, in the opinion of the military leadership, will simplify and cheapen logistics.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

Reasonable. But where are the famous American gunsmiths? Where did all this go with them?

[avt]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Reasonable.

What !?? Specifically - leapfrog with pistols at the Marines ?? They mourned the campaign, well, SAS ,, High Power "exchanged for the Swiss, and these," Sea pigs "self-propelled for them.

Quote: Genry

It has already become a mess that the gun shoots without permission when falling to the back side.

Despite the fact that they themselves cling to the same browning in the caliber of 1911. For me, let the grandmother throw the wind up at this “rearmament” than anything really worthwhile.

[andrewkor]

The Colt company even sued the US Department of Defense when Beretta was adopted.

[iliitchitch]

Shoot it. Why so little?
The troubles in Syria will not lead to Mochilov, because the piss .., well, um, people are afraid. After which the dudes will remain at the checkout. And then the guns come in handy. Shoot yourself.

[Genry]

Quote: iliitch

Shoot it.

It has already become a mess that the gun shoots without permission when falling to the back side.

[Incvizitor]

Ours is also time to switch to new pistols.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Incvizitor

Ours is also time to switch to new pistols.

What for?

[Incvizitor]

https://topwar.ru/96944-perspektivnyy-pistolet-dl
ya-armii-i-policii.html

Everything is described here and about problems with penetration and about low accuracy and comments ...

[KVU-NSVD]

Why bother? .. Colt 1911 is an excellent machine and proven ... in a hundred years it has not lost much relevance ...

[Herculesic]

They need Colt, an exclusive 12mm caliber! For them, this is the very weapon will be — the return of the shooter will take away a hundred meters from the place of the shot. But, these are trifles, chained to the car with chains, and shoot yourself!

[JonnyT]

A good pistol - and most importantly practical - can be remade for any ammunition. This fact is very significant for the body.

[san4es]

... Mastering already ... foreigners

Soldiers with the 101st Airborne Division receive and unpack M17 (full size) and m18 (compact) The New Modular System Gun (MHS) at Fort Campbell.

Nov 2017 year

[gippernano]

It seems to me or the truth, what kind of convulsive return do they have?

[Dreamboat]

The gun is interesting, but the arrows are something so-so ....
Although maybe I'm just used to the shooter-athletes from IPSC.

[san4es]

Quote: Dreamboat

... but the arrows are something so-so ..

... wow
... Here for comparison :

[shinobi]

Sauer is a deservedly respected brand. There are no questions. My question is more likely to gunsmiths at all. Weapon samples for it have good accuracy.

[Chever]

Quote: shinobi

7,62 × 25 Mauser is much more effective. The perfect balance between stopping and penetrating force

And the men don’t know ...

[san4es]

Quote: shinobi

Sauer is a well-respected brand. There are no questions. I have a question more likely for gunsmiths at all. And why did everyone rest so much on a 9 × 19 cartridge? In my opinion, 7,62 × 25 Mauser is much more effective

... Checked in the database ... There should be more muzzle energy, within

between stopping and penetrating force

[Dreamboat]

Quote: shinobi

Sauer is a deservedly respected brand. There are no questions. My question is more likely to gunsmiths at all. Weapon samples for it have good accuracy.

The military around the world do not agree with you ...
The penetrating ability of the caliber 7.62 is better, but the stopping ability is not. Moreover, there is an opinion (of the US military and the FBI) ​​that the stopping action of 9x19 is not enough. That is why the military used Colt 1911 for a long time, and the FBI switched to 40sw.
There is a story of adopting Colt 1911, when the American army used 9 mm for a short time. pistols, but after the suppression of the uprising on some island (I won’t say for sure), I demanded to return the 45 gauge due to the low stopping effect of 9 mm ....
In addition, for breaking through a bulletproof vest, a composite bullet with a sufficient mass of a heat-strengthened core is required. 9 mm. the bullet allows you to place such a core, and give the cartridge 9x19 sufficient speed, without undue recoil, as with more powerful calibers (which ensures the rate of fire) ....

[andrewkor]

In the Philippines, they had a problem in 1898 ... In the course of the fighting, an insufficient stopping and lethal action of the caliber .38 was revealed. In 1903 a commission was created, which, after lengthy animal testing in 1904. concluded that it was necessary to have a caliber of at least .45.

[Romanenko]

Yes, the years of romanticism in weapons design are a thing of the past, now they have been replaced by pragmatism and the unification of products, this is certainly not a tribute to fashion, but rather a harsh necessity. But looking at these products somehow you don’t feel that ardent desire to quickly pick them up, this is not for you the P-08 Parabellum.
Although, for sure, much better and more convenient ...

[Old26]

An interesting color for pistols

Quote: Herkulesich

They need Colt, an exclusive 12mm caliber! For them, this is the very weapon will be — the return of the shooter will take away a hundred meters from the place of the shot. But, these are trifles, chained to the car with chains, and shoot yourself!

The arrow will not carry away. unless a hilyak with a body weight of 20 kg is caught. But the one in which the 45th will fall - you will not envy him.

Quote: JonnyT

A good pistol - and most importantly practical - can be remade for any ammunition. This fact is very significant for the body.

In the late 80s and early 90s, we had a tax development. I don’t remember Jedex, it was called Berdysh. It was also multi-caliber. Could be redone on 9x18, 9x18PM, 9x19 Par., 7,62 x 25. But they didn’t go, they considered it unnecessarily complicated in that they would have to carry different trunks with them ...

[rus-5819]

The US Marine Corps officially adopted the M17 and M18 pistols (compact version of the M17)

to make it easier to self-lodge

[Old26]

Quote: rus-5819

The US Marine Corps officially adopted the M17 and M18 pistols (compact version of the M17)

to make it easier to self-lodge

Based on your logic, we first PM, flood ПЯ, now we also take HZCH for service for the same reason - to make it convenient to self-shoot

[Catfish]

Quote: Old26

Quote: rus-5819

The US Marine Corps officially adopted the M17 and M18 pistols (compact version of the M17)

to make it easier to self-lodge

Based on your logic, we first PM, flood ПЯ, now we also take HZCH for service for the same reason - to make it convenient to self-shoot

Is Makar fit for anything else? I mean for the army. Police and civilian weapons are a completely different calico. It’s without jokes, I served with PM for three years, I had enough time to appreciate its “dignity”.