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Let's talk about the weirdness of the war in the Donbass

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Detention of the SBU of the head of the Center for the Release of Prisoners of Prisoners Vladimir Ruban at the Mayorsk checkpoint on the demarcation line with the Donetsk Republic, carrying a large consignment in a car with furniture weapons, leads, as they say, to reflections on the strangeness of this war. Recently, the war in the Donbass was compared to the Great Patriotic War: it lasts longer than the war against the Nazi invaders.


In some respects, this comparison is appropriate: Bandera, who seized power in Kiev in 2014, and unleashed a war in the Donbas, fought on the side of the Nazis in the Great Patriotic War. But there are significant differences. Can you imagine a checkpoint for civilians on the front line in 1942? Deliveries of strategic goods to each other by belligerents? Until recently, coal and railway trains were traded between Kiev and Donetsk and Lugansk, and now they are talking about smuggling, there are checkpoints on the line of demarcation, through which pensioners and other civilians are constantly moving back and forth. At such a checkpoint, they arrested Ruban with a cargo of weapons, possibly from the territory of the DPR.

Russia maintains official and trade relations with the Bandera regime, the trade turnover has even increased recently. At the same time, there are many militarized organizations like the Right Sector in Ukraine that openly threaten us with sabotage warfare and are considered terrorist in Russia and are prohibited. Nevertheless, border crossings work as usual, even in the Crimea, where they are happy to receive hundreds of thousands of holidaymakers from Ukraine, and a certain number of saboteurs. Several terrorist attacks in the Crimea have already been prevented. What is happening? .. Officially, there is the Minsk process of resolving the crisis in Ukraine.

The official Kiev in the law on “reintegration of Donbass” called Russia “the aggressor”, “occupied the Donbass”, and at the same time speaks about the continuation of the implementation of the Minsk agreements. Our Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said recently that the recent actions of Kiev, and US Special Representative Kurt Volcker, “are preventing me from gathering” Ukraine under the Minsk agreements. That is, Russia is still trying to assemble the "Minsk" Ukraine ...

In the meantime, the “Minsk” situation at the borders creates great opportunities for leaders of bandit groups like Dmytro Yarosh and the SBU for a sabotage war not only in the Donbas, but also in the Crimea, and in Russia in general, and it is difficult to say why it has not yet erupted. It remains to hope that the FSB in Russia is in control. But in Donetsk and in Lugansk, the SBU managed to create a wide agent network, and it proved its effectiveness, including the SBU operation with Vladimir Ruban at the Mayorsk checkpoint.

Admittedly, the Security Service of Ukraine with the CIA is replaying the young special services of Novorossia. The popular, guarded Donetsk commanders Givi and Motorola were killed, and many Bandera leaders boasted that it was their handiwork. There were attempts on the head of the DPR, Alexander Zakharchenko, he was nearly blown up by a fake "radiator". Why is the SBU so effective, why does the operational situation in the Novorossiysk republics leave much to be desired? This is also because the checkpoint works on the front line in the Donbass.

After the arrest of Vladimir Ruban, the head of the DPR, Alexander Zakharchenko, made a statement: "I met with Ruban a long time ago on the exchange of prisoners." And he added: "I have repeatedly said that resistance groups all over Ukraine are in touch with us." Apparently, a part of these esbeush connections, apparently, the SBU managed to create a channel for the supply of weapons "for conspirators" to Ukraine through their agents in the DPR, or its imitation from the front-line zone.

Further, everything is simple: the Kedr esseushnik asked Ruban to provide a service to take out of the DPR a certain load with furniture of civilians in the interests of Ukraine. And threw a weapon at him. Probably, this was not the first such service of Vladimir Ruban to the SBU, because he trusted this “Kedru”. Now Moscow should expect from Kiev an international scandal accusing of organizing a coup in Ukraine with the help of the “Ruban’s terrorist group” and a higher negotiator for the exchange of prisoners Viktor Medvedchuk, the former Prime Minister of Ukraine and godfather Vladimir Putin.

Moscow, it seems, has not yet decided what to do with this Bandera regime and the Minsk process, which is long gone, which the western “Minsk guarantors” betrayed, as they betrayed President Yanukovich with the guarantees of Western foreign ministers given to him. How to finish the Minsk process? In fact, this "process" led to the consolidation of the Bandera regime on the borders of Russia, with the support of the United States.

Further, it becomes dangerous for Moscow to maintain the “Minsk relations” with Kiev. Provocation with Vladimir Ruban says that stories can be organized on the Russian border, which is also in the public domain for agents of the SBU. “In today's Ukraine everything is possible!” Experts warn, in particular, Bogdan Bespalko, but we still do not hear these voices.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 14 March 2018 05: 59
    +5
    In war as in war ... Someone does business ... And someone sits in a trench ...
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 14 March 2018 16: 06
      +1
      In war, as in war, but do not touch the business! am
    2. okko077
      okko077 14 March 2018 19: 13
      +4
      I want to clarify, first of all, the analyst, that there is a civil war ... All provisions: In war as in war, they don’t act ... There is not a cruel, but a fierce war, or rather the extermination of the population of one of the parties .... with the support of the world community ..... During the Spanish Civil War, for example, bullshit from the UK (ancestors May) forbade France to help Republicans through its territory, threatening to withdraw from the union with the latter ....
      All the conclusions of the author of this article, who did not see the main thing in this war, its civic orientation, or rather the genocide of part of the Ukrainian population, by the illegally ruling elite of the fascist-Bendery sense, are primitive and not worthy of attention. They are not systemic and superficial .... And you also need to take into account the anti-Russian veil, which blinds advanced shit and the organization of all these events, starting with the military coup called "hydnostic revolution", it would be better to say "... hydrotnost" ...
      1. Mihail28
        Mihail28 15 March 2018 20: 31
        +1
        fascist-Bendery sense

        Bender is such a city in the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic.
        Bender is Ostap, a fictional literary hero.
        And Stepan bore the name of Bandera. Bandera, not Bender, and not Bender. Bandera. Remember: Ban de ra.
        Learn to write your thoughts correctly.
        1. okko077
          okko077 15 March 2018 22: 18
          0
          Thank. Three syllables and .. letters as many .... Maybe next to send?
        2. okko077
          okko077 16 March 2018 13: 55
          +1
          Thoughts are stated, and letters are written .... They wanted the best, but it turned out ....?
          1. Mihail28
            Mihail28 19 March 2018 14: 46
            +1
            The main thing is that you learn to write your thoughts competently, and not spew the hell out of those.
            1. okko077
              okko077 19 March 2018 17: 57
              0
              And what direction of your movement is not clear? Moreover, everyone only increased confidence in this ....
        3. Icarus
          Icarus 17 March 2018 09: 47
          0
          Learn to write your thoughts correctly
          Then thoughts can be written out (in the snow, for example). laughing
  2. 210ox
    210ox 14 March 2018 06: 20
    +13
    Moscow is simply "busy with itself" ... That's all.
    1. The black
      The black 14 March 2018 11: 18
      +8
      Since 2014, Russian analysts have said that it is not planned to include Donbass in Russia. Donbass needs Russia as a federal entity within Ukraine to block NATO membership and pursue pro-Russian policies. Until now, Putin has been consistently achieving this. Hence the Minsk agreements, the non-recognition of the republics and the lack of a regular Russian army.
  3. K.A.S.
    K.A.S. 14 March 2018 07: 29
    +3
    Take more: a strange war between Ukraine and Russia with an increase in goods turnover, a begging of gas and a mass send to the aggressor zrobitchans!
    1. gm9019
      gm9019 14 March 2018 11: 19
      +1
      Quote: K.A.S.
      Take more: a strange war between Ukraine and Russia with an increase in goods turnover, a begging of gas and a mass send to the aggressor zrobitchans!

      Some kind of theater of the absurd! The situation does not fit into the head. On the other hand, "this is business, baby, nothing personal." Capitalism. No conscience, no fear .... request
  4. Gloomy
    Gloomy 14 March 2018 07: 58
    +15
    In some ways, this comparison is appropriate: Bandera, who seized power in Kiev in 2014 and unleashed a war in the Donbass, fought on the side of the Nazis in World War II.

    And they were recognized as the legitimate government by Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. "Our respected Ukrainian partners"
  5. emwave
    emwave 14 March 2018 08: 04
    +11
    There is nothing strange.
    1. Russia and Ukraine are not in a state of official war.
    2. The flow of citizens between Ukraine and Russia has a positive side: ordinary citizens can see with their own eyes what is happening in Russia and the Crimea - the information is important in the case of the Ukrainian zomboyaschik.
    3. Comparison with the Great Patriotic War is incorrect.
    4. Scouts cross the border on both sides - this is normal in this case.
    5. New Russia is in a state of siege - to enter the territory does not cost anything bypassing the checkpoint.
    PPCs create better conditions for controlling the movement of people.
    6. Business can also be useful in its own way from different points of view.
    There is a new type of hostilities.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 14 March 2018 08: 26
      +2
      ". The flow of citizens between Ukraine and Russia has a positive side: ordinary citizens can see with their own eyes what is happening in Russia and Crimea - information is important in the case of the Ukrainian zomboyaschik." This flow has a negative side. Stop the flow of Gaster from the outside and .. ..will be happy for them. "Russia and Ukraine are not in a state of official war." However, they recognized us as an aggressor. And they did not officially recognize us just because we would not get in the ass at all.
      1. your1970
        your1970 14 March 2018 08: 54
        +4
        Quote: 210ox
        This flow has a negative side. Stop the flow of Gaster from the outside and .... he will be happy.
        - And the option that the Führer will come, supported by hungry, expelled zarobitchans, do you completely sweep away? But is it that in case of war a significant amount will support the APU, too?
        We can fight with the Armed Forces of Ukraine - and there is no way to defeat Ukraine: just based on the significant size of the country 404 - a powerful occupation apparatus will be needed, which the Russian Federation will not pull for economic reasons
        1. novel66
          novel66 14 March 2018 09: 38
          +4
          the occupation apparatus must be assembled on the spot from sympathizers
          1. your1970
            your1970 14 March 2018 13: 32
            0
            Quote: novel xnumx
            the occupation apparatus must be assembled on the spot from sympathizers
            -
            even the Wehrmacht did not succeed at the proper level and this having the opportunity to spank an objectionable burgomaster / policeman right there on the spot.
            Otherwise - sympathizers will arrange such corruption (oh, yes !!!) - that we will look like an exemplary Singapore

            We do not have such an opportunity - just repeat the USSR during the Second World War in the occupied territories with partisans and others
        2. emwave
          emwave 14 March 2018 11: 13
          0
          Do you understand me winked
  6. Victor Kamenev
    14 March 2018 08: 08
    +4
    Putin’s speech at the Manezh gave an explanation: they paused to arm themselves with a hypersound. Armed, now comes some new period, but the main front is the Syrian one, the proxy is a war with the USA, Ukraine will be a bonus to the winner in the main battle. It seems that Russia does not want to disperse forces, to get two fronts at the same time: both Syrian and Ukrainian.
    1. andrewkor
      andrewkor 14 March 2018 08: 15
      +6
      I agree with you in many ways, but the bonus in the form of a yoke on the neck or a suitcase without a handle is somehow doubtful. Unless after the expected dismemberment of this Understate.
      1. emwave
        emwave 14 March 2018 11: 15
        0
        Probably YES, but another option is possible.
        In Ukraine, an adequate leader may appear - the probability is not zero, although it is small.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 14 March 2018 08: 29
      +8
      Ukraine will not be a bonus (for us) for anyone. The population is very aggressive towards us (I already gave examples about the older generation, not young people, after all). When it would be a bonus, we jerked around Volgograd-Rostov and .... have stopped.
      Quote: Victor Kamenev
      Putin’s speech at the Manezh gave an explanation: they paused to arm themselves with a hypersound. Armed, now comes some new period, but the main front is the Syrian one, the proxy is a war with the USA, Ukraine will be a bonus to the winner in the main battle. It seems that Russia does not want to disperse forces, to get two fronts at the same time: both Syrian and Ukrainian.
    3. Semen1972
      Semen1972 14 March 2018 09: 33
      +3
      Quote: Victor Kamenev
      Putin’s speech at the Manege gave an explanation: they paused to arm themselves with hypersound. Armed, now comes a new period, but the main front is the Syrian one, the proxy war with the United States, Ukraine will be a bonus to the winner in the main battle.

      That is, now the Florida bombing will begin? Or did hypersound against jeeps in the desert do?
      And what does “proxy war with the USA” mean - is it on the couch on the forum?)))))
      1. emwave
        emwave 15 March 2018 07: 12
        0
        The topic is called - coercion to dialogue.
  7. antivirus
    antivirus 14 March 2018 08: 12
    0
    Moscow, it seems, has not yet decided what to do with this Bandera regime and the Minsk process, which has not existed for a long time

    immediately in 12-13 years, before the coup, they decided - "let them rot, but we will stand next and earn money"
    an independent country - that means all responsibility for it lies with hiding hands.

    but the rotten hollow next to its territory does not know how to isolate. it is necessary to decide
  8. EvilLion
    EvilLion 14 March 2018 08: 21
    0
    it lasts longer than the war with the Nazi invaders.


    Sorry, but from what date do they count? With the coup? EMNIP until May 2014 th in the Donbass did not shoot.
  9. groks
    groks 14 March 2018 08: 30
    +2
    Civil War. Therefore, it is strange. Given the fact that the oligarchs do not have a nationality, like the terrorists, it is surprising if our Kurkuli trade with their Kurkuli. Yes all the fuss is to them, get in the way. I know at least one place in the republics, where not a single shell fell on production. And production successfully works in the interests of both parties to the conflict. Apparently - agreed.
    Strange statements by Zakharchenko. Does he confirm that in this way weapons are imported for resistance groups?
    Even to create an appearance of reality of what is happening, the SBU would be worth arresting Cedar. And then it’s very somehow white thread. Or something else happened, completely different.
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 14 March 2018 12: 33
      +1
      Quote: groks
      Civil War. Therefore strange

      The Civil War, with funding from both sides from abroad and upholding the interests of their "owners". Just arranged a geopolitical training ground. For loot anywhere you can "make a civil war"
      1. groks
        groks 14 March 2018 14: 28
        0
        Okay, let funding go on our side. Although it is denied. But the size of financing varies by an order of magnitude, by several orders of magnitude. So?
  10. Jerk
    Jerk 14 March 2018 09: 08
    +1
    Donetsk and Lugansk region are not Russia. And Russia must proceed from its interests. If someone has lost their memory, look at the reports of 14 years on mobilization in the Donetsk region. It went with a bang! And according to the same Ukrainians - on the mobilization of their shortage in the west, and not in the east of Ukraine.
    And why the hell are Russia such lands ?! That's why they are collected within the framework of Minsk. As much as possible preventing genocide in New Russia. And by the way, it turns out successfully.
    It is necessary to think about YOUR country first!
    1. saruman
      saruman 14 March 2018 09: 41
      +11
      Quote: Jerk
      Donetsk and Lugansk region - not Russia

      Very dangerous conclusions will come out of this logic. The Caucasus is not Russia, Tatarstan is not Russia, Bashkiria is not Russia, Tuva is not Russia (it joined the USSR / RSFSR in 1944, before that it was an independent state) and so on.
      Donetsk, Lugansk and more than half of the regions of Ukraine are Russia (Little Russia). Yes, many in Ukraine do not consider themselves Russian and do not associate themselves with the Russian Federation. But this is our fault and the fault of the Russian authorities. The Russian Federation is a stub of Russia. Russian people in the so-called CIS countries were devoted to this RF and abandoned to the mercy of local authorities, nationalists, etc.
      It is very difficult for a Russian to become a Tajik or a Kyrgyz, but a Ukrainian is easy!
      1. raw174
        raw174 14 March 2018 12: 26
        +3
        Quote: saruman
        Very dangerous conclusions will come out of this logic. The Caucasus is not Russia, Tatarstan is not Russia, Bashkiria is not Russia, Tuva is not Russia (it joined the USSR / RSFSR in 1944, before that it was an independent state) and so on.

        No, do not follow. LDNR - brothers in spirit (so to speak), their own in general, but not Russia. There is no Little Russia (except wet dreams are true), there is Russia, Ukraine and the civil war in Ukraine. We must support our own (LDNR), but very carefully. it’s not worth rushing headlong with a saber, only composure and calculation. These regions will remain part of Ukraine, our task is to help them achieve sufficient autonomy.
      2. Jerk
        Jerk 14 March 2018 12: 34
        +2
        The difference is fundamental. The Czechs were the first to rush to Ossetia - for Russia. And Novorossia is still looking into their own pockets - even Donetsk and Lugansk cannot unite, and they can even put on some kind of Russia!
        In addition, this is a destroyed region, not just subsidized, but post-war — again restored by the whole of Russia, as in 45, OUR COUNTRY now has more abrupt problems than to dig in Donetsk and Lugansk, which, unlike the Crimea, they cannot understand for 4 years what they want!
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 14 March 2018 21: 39
          +3
          "Now there is more abrupt problem than to dig in for Donetsk and Lugansk, which, unlike the Crimea - cannot understand for 4 years what they themselves want!"
          I confirm. Reported about it a hundred times. Back in '14, when the whole mess started, there was still no referendum in the Crimea and it seemed that everything could be done with little blood and in an organized manner, I called up people living in the Southeast. There was one question, what are you there? The answer personally did not inspire me. Apparently the president too. And with us, DARK NOT EVERYTHING as you think. Here is such an answer I received.
    2. emwave
      emwave 14 March 2018 11: 18
      0
      Thinking of New Russia, Russia is thinking about Crimea. Ukraine will not climb into Crimea until it resolves the DNR-LNR problem.
      1. Semen1972
        Semen1972 14 March 2018 12: 35
        +1
        Quote: emwave
        Ukraine will not climb into Crimea until it resolves the DNR-LNR problem.

        How Ukraine will climb into the Crimea, when the Russian army is many times more modern than the Ukrainian, plus nuclear weapons .. what does the DPR have to do with it ??? Like Russia, it will never "climb" to the United States, despite all the threats and other words, even though they will establish a base in Kharkov.
        1. emwave
          emwave 14 March 2018 15: 15
          +1
          This is only in theory.
          Crazy adventure with Crimea is quite possible, since Crimea is from the point of view of NATO, part of Ukraine. I won’t be surprised anymore - you yourself see what is happening in Syria.
  11. Semen1972
    Semen1972 14 March 2018 09: 30
    +3
    Moscow, it seems, has not yet decided what to do with this Bandera regime

    Actually, Putin’s foreign policy is considered victorious and ingenious ... Here, as I have to put it, I didn’t decide anything .. and it was not a brilliant decision))))
    1. wvg
      wvg 14 March 2018 10: 17
      +2
      Syoma! Your glass is half empty ... And the small box opens simply: the question of Ukraine has not yet "matured", so it is awaiting its decision. Everything has its time! This is the genius of the president’s foreign policy — not to miss this time.
  12. Vlad Petrov
    Vlad Petrov 14 March 2018 09: 40
    +3
    Ukrainian nationalism, not one century, has been and always will be. Do not re-educate, never convince. Nothing will ever change. 10 million according to various estimates of Bander and sympathizers. What take off do? To organize a second Ukrainian front? Arrange destruction like in Syria? The occupation is not needed by Russia. The informational, hybrid war of Donbass with Kiev over four years is an implicit result. “Minsk” was buried, which means that security measures and LDNR’s access to the administrative border are needed.
    1. wvg
      wvg 14 March 2018 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: Vlad Petrov
      10 million according to various estimates of Bander and sympathizers

      where are the firewood from? at least refer to someone!
      The fact is that the whole CIS is in a state of perplexity: Moscow, having abandoned its leadership, has deprived everyone of confidence in tomorrow. There are no other adequate leaders. Here are the people and tossing around like nonsense like nationalism ...
      After March 18, the issue of Russia's leadership becomes paramount, so it’s not spring that awaits us, but the real Russian summer!
      1. Vlad Petrov
        Vlad Petrov 14 March 2018 10: 55
        0
        Links
        http://antimaydan.info/2018/02/skolko_banderovcev
        _na_ukraine_ocenka_obshestva.html
        http sociologiya / 87444-skolko-banderovcev-na-ukraine-o
        cenka-obschestva.html: //politinform.su/
      2. seos
        seos 14 March 2018 14: 53
        +1
        According to my subjective estimates, based on all kinds of social surveys from YouTube in Ukraine, 50% of Bandera people and their sympathizers ... Even those who are against dancing to their tune ... and they are gradually being bandaged ...
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 March 2018 09: 48
    +2
    It’s time to recognize for a long time that Ukraine has cut off a chunk from its western borders to the administrative borders of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, with which Svidomo, Poles, Hungarians and Romanians can deal with each other. To help LDNR should not only continue, but also strengthened.
  14. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 14 March 2018 10: 23
    +1
    The war is strange because de jure no one declared this war. Everything is at the level of screeching at the zombie and unsubstantiated speeches of the parasite on pseudo-international venues.
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 14 March 2018 12: 36
      +1
      Quote: Corsair0304
      Everything is at the level of screeching at the zombie and unsubstantiated speeches of the parasite on pseudo-international venues.

      And the killers of the slain, too, by the zombie?
      1. Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 14 March 2018 13: 04
        +1
        This refers to squeals about "Russian aggression and the seizure of Ukrainian territory by Russian troops." No one denies the thousands who died in this war. And it’s strange because it is de facto there, and de jure the parashenka pisses to declare it officially and publicly to Russia.
  15. Glory1974
    Glory1974 14 March 2018 10: 26
    0
    Viktor Medvedchuk, former Prime Minister of Ukraine and Vladimir Putin’s godfather.

    What the hell? Relative or what?
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 14 March 2018 11: 05
      +1
      and Vladimir Putin’s godfather
      Actually, he is the godfather of V. Yanukovych. And godfather is the godfather.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 14 March 2018 11: 30
        0
        That is, he is godfather in a child of Putin?
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 14 March 2018 11: 32
          +1
          Have you read my comment?
          Actually, he is the godfather of V. Yanukovych
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 14 March 2018 11: 35
            0
            Error in the article? Then what does this series have to do with it:
            in organizing a coup in Ukraine with the help of the “Ruban terrorist group” and a higher prisoner-exchange negotiator Viktor Medvedchuk, former Prime Minister of Ukraine and Vladimir Putin’s godfather.
  16. reibert
    reibert 14 March 2018 10: 35
    0
    Finally, it began to reach even the most ....)))) This is the enemy. And as the great proletarian writer said: "If the enemy does not give up, then him ...")))))
  17. Brigadier
    Brigadier 14 March 2018 11: 00
    +2
    Who wants Russia to spend the next 6 years in stagnation, impoverishment of the people and the ongoing murder of Russians by the Nazis in the Donbass - vote for Putin!
    Who does not want this - vote for Grudinin!
    1. Sheridan
      Sheridan 14 March 2018 11: 16
      +1
      What kind of crap is this horned.
    2. emwave
      emwave 14 March 2018 11: 20
      +1
      Grudinin will give the Crimea? You pull yourself in ... no one will vote for your candidate.
      1. Semen1972
        Semen1972 14 March 2018 12: 38
        +3
        Quote: emwave
        Grudinin will give the Crimea? You pull yourself in ... no one will vote for your candidate.

        And what, can Grudinin become president? Are you talking about the TV show "Elections 2018" ??? It seems like Putin has a life-long ruler, Grudinin is just the director of a collective farm, how can he solve something?
        1. seos
          seos 14 March 2018 15: 02
          +1
          He is preparing the way for Maidan in Russia, like everyone voted for the collective farmer (according to a very honest and truthful online vote), and Putin won ...
        2. emwave
          emwave 14 March 2018 15: 18
          +1
          He has long been a landowner and co-owner .. The state farm is a non-core asset.
      2. piter Ivanov
        piter Ivanov 15 March 2018 11: 26
        0
        the sternum is the same as Khrushchev - Khrushchev sowed all football fields with corn and the sternin has so far only robbed its collective farmers. and now he wants to rob the whole RUSSIA!
    3. Semen1972
      Semen1972 14 March 2018 12: 41
      0
      86% of the population wants !!! .. because the main thing is that America can launch a rocket, this is more important than goodies !!!
    4. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 14 March 2018 13: 05
      +2
      Quote: Brigadier
      Who does not want this - vote for Grudinin!

      Justify. What - Grudinin will move troops to Kiev? Do not tell my slippers ...
    5. seos
      seos 14 March 2018 14: 56
      +2
      Liberasty split 50% for Sobchak 50% for Grudinin ... and Bandera just for Grudinin and urge to vote ...
      1. Semen1972
        Semen1972 14 March 2018 15: 11
        +1
        Quote: seos
        Liberasty split 50% for Sobchak 50% for Grudinin ... and Bandera just for Grudinin and urge to vote ...

        Spring has come ... Sorry, but who is the "liberalist", and what is the other side called? Stubborn-urapatriti?))) Here is a country, a direct example of the political literacy of the population)))
        1. seos
          seos 14 March 2018 15: 20
          +2
          a liberalist is a supporter of a liberal market economy; their opposite is a supporter of classical economic theory ..
          1. Semen1972
            Semen1972 15 March 2018 13: 08
            0
            Quote: seos
            a liberalist is a supporter of a liberal market economy; their opposite is a supporter of classical economic theory ..

            Are you against a market economy?))) And what standard of living do you want .. how in which country, Cuba, Venezuela? Or do you think that maybe the USSR had the highest standard of living? And under socialism, can there be or not a market economy?))) I believed that a market economy does not depend much on the system .. For example, China, liberalism is the freedom of the media, elections, movement. For against this, huh? That is, the secretary general to death, two television channels, a curtain and a queue for sneakers, do you want this?)) I'm afraid you are in the minority))
            1. d1975
              d1975 18 March 2018 15: 41
              +2
              Do you yourself understand what you write? In China ? They have loot (from the state), but there is super poverty among people. These are two different concepts. They didn’t think why right now everything is Chinese? Yes, because cheap and that's it. What do you want to say that we have worse Ivanovo women sewing? We do not need a market economy, socialist Russia, we need a normal country with a normal economy. In its pure form, there is not one or the other. In the USSR, a hard worker felt like a man, however. And outbid is a speculator. Of which we have the sea right now!
              1. Petrol cutter
                Petrol cutter 24 March 2018 22: 11
                +1
                “They didn’t think why everything is Chinese right now? Yes, because it’s cheap and everything. What do you want to say that Ivanovo women sew worse? We don’t need a market economy, socialist, we need a normal country with a normal economy. one or the other. In the USSR, a hard worker felt like a man, however. But outbid is a speculator. Of whom we have the sea right now! "
                But I agree. Perhaps the comrade is right. China steers from the fact, my friends, that the people there are immeasurable. People Consumables Like ours, in principle, but we have fewer people. Moreover, our wish for nicherta is not doing-live beautifully. And so it will not come out in the light of significant events. My friends must work. I have to!
          2. Stena
            Stena 18 March 2018 16: 03
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            Quote: seos
            a liberalist is a supporter of a liberal market economy; their opposite is a supporter of classical economic theory

            Classical economic theory is, first of all, Adam Smith with the “invisible hand of the market”, the absence of state intervention in the economy and full information awareness of all market participants. This is pure liberalism. Keynesians - the main task is to stimulate aggregate demand from the state and regulate the economy.
  18. wvg
    wvg 14 March 2018 11: 09
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    Quote: rotmistr60
    It’s time to recognize for a long time that Ukraine has cut off a chunk from its western borders to the administrative borders of Donetsk and Lugansk regions

    that’s how our western partners have been striving for a long time! Or do you want, if they failed to build their base in the Crimea, to help them create a missile base near Kharkov?
    The great country that Russia is becoming has no right to allow anyone to cut chunks from itself! This is like a betrayal of the citizens of this great country!
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 14 March 2018 13: 24
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      Quote: wvg
      The great country that Russia is becoming has no right to allow anyone to cut chunks from itself! This is like a betrayal of the citizens of this great country!

      Speech about Ukraine, Russia is not a party to the conflict, does not violate territorial integrity does not violate international law .. that is, if Russia means the president .. and on the couch you can do anything and fight with anyone ... while we have freedom of the Internet .. for now. . get to you.
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  20. piter Ivanov
    piter Ivanov 15 March 2018 11: 18
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    Quote: Black
    Since 2014, Russian analysts have said that it is not planned to include Donbass in Russia. Donbass needs Russia as a federal entity within Ukraine to block NATO membership and pursue pro-Russian policies. Until now, Putin has been consistently achieving this. Hence the Minsk agreements, the non-recognition of the republics and the lack of a regular Russian army.

    I completely agree with this !!!!!!!!
  21. hbvkzyby
    hbvkzyby 20 March 2018 08: 33
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    A representative of the exchange of prisoners, a representative of the special services asked to take out furniture in Ukraine’s interests ...... in which weapons were hidden to organize a coup by shooting the roof in BP.