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Talking helmet: Talk about "Javelinakh" has already broken the Russian military to rags

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The Ukrainian "speaking helmet" Dmitry Tymchuk, who was previously one of the "speakers of the ATO," reports on the nuances of supplying Ukraine with Javelin anti-tank missile systems from the United States. According to Tymchuk, Ukraine’s ATGM Javelin will receive "for free." From a note of Tymchuk on Facebook:


So, the last step was actually taken - the US State Department approved the sale to Ukraine of anti-tank missiles and Javelin missile launchers (37 launchers and 210 missiles). Note - not at the expense of our budget, but at the expense of military assistance from the USA to Ukraine itself.


Talking helmet: Talk about "Javelinakh" has already broken the Russian military to rags


Tymchuk:
That is, in spite of the wild criticism and opposition of many of our “experts” (including those who position themselves as “patriots”), Ukraine will still receive modern anti-tank systems of the last, third generation. Why were these moans and cries that "Ukraine" Javelins are not needed "is not clear until now. For a warring country weapons It does not happen much, especially when it comes to modern high-tech weapons, and at the expense of the helping party. The military-political significance of these supplies — and this, obviously, is paramount — cannot be spoken at all, it is so obvious.

At the same time, according to the state defense order, the Ministry of Defense will purchase a large number of Ukrainian-made anti-tank missile systems this year. So the argument is like “we do not support our defense industry”, its authors can use for their intended purpose.

However, we note that it was talks about the supply of American "Javelins" that broke not only the Kremlin, but also the Russian military in the Donbas for rags.


The statement about the "break the Russian military on rags" - no comment ...

By the way, Mr. Tymchuk, like the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, is delicately silent about the important nuance. Before the United States decided to supply Ukraine with the Javelins, Kiev sent its state reserves to the United States of America in the amount of 1 billion dollars.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 5 March 2018 06: 53
    +7
    Against tanks buried in the ground ... and this is the main tactical use of tanks by the militia ... any ATGM, it's nothing ... and the Americans know that ... so they added the decommissioned weapons, the Ukrainians are glad I can’t ... and the militia is neither cold nor hot ...
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 5 March 2018 07: 06
      +20
      How is it sold not at the expense of the budget? belay The Americans do not have this. lol
      1. 210ox
        210ox 5 March 2018 07: 10
        +4
        It happens. For the sake of the show-offs. It’s true that they are still demanding money. Then, in general, he’s right in some ways. There are plenty of conversations, and this should be decided by specialists, not us. Too much honor. "Dart" ..
        Quote: siberalt
        How is it sold not at the expense of the budget? belay The Americans do not have this. lol
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 5 March 2018 08: 08
          +10
          210 OKV (Dmitry) Tell me, what place do you want to break this talking helmet, after the promises to break - the Russian military ???
          Absolutely - overlooked! His hands were combed straight, and there was a Great desire - to pin him his helmet - directly to what he had instead of his head! The nail is 150! fool
          1. yehat
            yehat 5 March 2018 08: 16
            +2
            combed themselves

            better remember the fable about the pug and the elephant.
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 5 March 2018 12: 51
              +3
              Quote: yehat
              better remember the fable about the pug and the elephant.

              hi
              Tired of this ad of javelins to hell. Banderlogs and on their own mines are safely blown up, and they turn their tanks into ditches, and die from torn trunks, not to mention the executions of colleagues in the result of drunkenness and madness. And then there's an overseas toy in the hands of a dill ....
          2. krokus792
            krokus792 5 March 2018 13: 42
            +2
            At 200! what's the little things
      2. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 5 March 2018 10: 05
        +2
        They have such a program, they give a trick here that they are planting on their weapons and equipment, and then you will have ammunition spare parts, etc., you will still buy, it all pays off over time.
      3. kapitan92
        kapitan92 5 March 2018 11: 18
        +5
        Quote: siberalt
        How is it sold not at the expense of the budget? belay The Americans do not have this. lol

        hi An example would be a Congressional bill on military assistance to Israel. Moreover, according to this document, the president of America will lose the opportunity to intervene in the supply of weapons.
        If the bill is passed, then US military assistance to Israel will acquire the status of law. In addition, its size is clearly spelled out in this document - $ 36 billion over the next 10 years. This is not real money, but the weapons and equipment that are produced in America in American factories.
        On a more modest scale, this can happen in relation to the outskirts. hi
      4. RelictEmpire
        RelictEmpire 5 March 2018 12: 13
        +1
        But it happens in the remnants of the ATO. They are all ready to sell to the militias ... The main thing is that Schaub taxes are not paid.
      5. Slovak
        Slovak 5 March 2018 14: 42
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        How is it sold not at the expense of the budget? belay The Americans do not have this. lol

        It happens to Ukrainians. They are silent that the owners will write down the debt and take it with interest.
    2. Fedorov
      Fedorov 5 March 2018 07: 23
      +24
      We bury the tanks for one reason - tryndets full engine and chassis. A lot of things go normally, so don’t ...
      And about the "Javelins" .. smile Guys, Voentorg is working. The answer will be on anyone. I’m not talking about how Putin will win the election, then we’ll see.
      BUT, you can not underestimate ukroarmiyu. Everything is different there now. Although both thumped and thumped many. An example - from me in the next house sleeps completely - like a major. I was very offended that ammunition was always taken away before the holidays. Therefore, I got drunk on vacation, although he does not care - what, where, against whom .. But we went to visit each other as we will. Though through Kharkov .. Why do you want to pay wabro to Ukrainians when crossing the “contact line”
      1. vasya.pupkin
        vasya.pupkin 5 March 2018 12: 13
        +3
        Fedorov: You stay there in the territories occupied by the junta and do not fall into the right sector. I think that after July / mundial / we will free you too.
    3. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 5 March 2018 07: 38
      +13
      Quote: Vard
      Against tanks buried in the ground ... and this is the main tactical use of tanks by the militia ... any ATGM, it's nothing ...

      As far as I know, “Javelin” before the goal makes a “slide” and hits from above.
      1. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 5 March 2018 08: 14
        +9
        Javelin works on the basis of automatic homing on the IR channel ... I don’t think that the tanks buried in the tower are any different from the ground in temperature ... the internal combustion engine doesn’t work, how will he choose the target? create heat traps around hundreds of thousands of bucks stupidly around the buried DotA tank
        1. alstr
          alstr 5 March 2018 08: 35
          +6
          Are different. We were taught at the military commissar to mask armor in stones in which the temperature regime is similar.
          1. Non liberoid Russian
            Non liberoid Russian 5 March 2018 08: 43
            +2
            Yes, all the same, for Javelin this is a difficult goal, there the temperature should differ by an order of magnitude from the surface for contrast AGN .... even if the crew of pea soup is full, it still will not be able to warm the outer surface of the tank this way :)
        2. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 5 March 2018 08: 59
          +8
          Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
          ICE definitely doesn't work

          And from what to feed the drive tower, guns and automatic loader?
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 5 March 2018 09: 14
            +2
            Quote: Avis-bis
            And from what to feed the drive tower, guns and automatic loader?

            I don’t know how on tanks, but in aviation there is such a concept of APU (auxiliary power plant). In a word, a generator that feeds on-board electronics when the main engines are not running.
            1. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis 5 March 2018 09: 17
              +6
              I know what "APU" is, believe me. :)
              We are not talking about aviation, but about tanks. In any case, the “APU tank” emits heat, no? ;)
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 5 March 2018 09: 19
                0
                Why can't tanks be “APU” on tanks? In addition, the army has such a thing as field generators. For reference, a quote from Wikipedia. "Of the Soviet / Russian tanks, T-80 tanks, BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles, and all vehicles on the Armata platform are equipped with auxiliary power units."
                1. Avis-bis
                  Avis-bis 5 March 2018 09: 22
                  +5
                  Quote: Orionvit
                  Why can't tanks be “APU” on tanks?

                  Can. But you give without a "can." Is there or not?
                  In addition, the army has such a thing as field generators.

                  Well, they’ll cover the generator, it’s not armored, it’s incapacitated by anything, even an ATGM is not necessary.
              2. yehat
                yehat 5 March 2018 16: 18
                +1
                solar panels, windmill, tidal energy and thermal volcanic station, captured Ukrainians on bicycles)))
            2. alexxxz
              alexxxz 5 March 2018 10: 17
              0
              I don’t know how it is in aviation, but in tanks everything is duplicated mechanically. ))))
          2. alexxxz
            alexxxz 5 March 2018 10: 15
            +1
            From mechanical backup systems. For guns and towers - flywheels. For the drum AZ - a special handle in its roof.
            1. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis 5 March 2018 11: 31
              +5
              Quote: alexxxz
              From mechanical backup systems. For guns and towers - flywheels.

              There may not be enough speed. When both sides of the battle are already at the limit of exhaustion, is this one, and when is the side attacking the tank fresh?
              1. alexxxz
                alexxxz 5 March 2018 14: 40
                +2
                They told the case. In one of the units, by May 9, an “Open Day” was held for veterans. One grandfather tanker took the initiative to shoot from a loose barrel in motion. (Most likely the bike, but it could be) Everyone showed him, told, planted, closed, and drove off. The tank fired at "5". When the car returned from the directress and grandfather crawled out into the light of God, they asked him “Well, how is modern technology?”, He answered that “everything is fine, the scope is convenient, but it’s inconvenient to turn the flywheels.” And the mech.vod later told me that my grandfather was yelling "Short! Short ml.t !!!" all the time, but he could not understand what this means.
                1. Avis-bis
                  Avis-bis 5 March 2018 14: 45
                  +6
                  Quote: alexxxz
                  mech.vod later said that grandfather was yelling "Short! Short ml.t !!!" all the time, but he could not understand what this means.

                  I know this only from a feature film. This refers to "stop-shot-torn-full!" ?
                  1. alexxxz
                    alexxxz 5 March 2018 15: 15
                    +1
                    Yeah, exactly. On those tanks there were no stabilizers, respectively, in motion the gun, together with the hull, jumps up and down. Therefore, the gunner chose a target in motion, then a stop, turned it with handwheels and pressed the pedal. Shot! And then it started!
              2. alexxxz
                alexxxz 5 March 2018 14: 42
                0
                It is not yet known how quickly the gunner will succeed, using the handwheels, or the joystick. It depends on the training.
          3. Non liberoid Russian
            Non liberoid Russian 5 March 2018 13: 27
            0
            and what do you think do nothing with your pens? that is, the internal combustion engine or auxiliary generator is dead and that's it? write goodbye run from the tank? baby progress and gadget damn
            1. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis 5 March 2018 14: 34
              +5
              Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
              and what do you think do nothing with your pens? that is, the internal combustion engine or auxiliary generator is dead and that's it? write goodbye run from the tank? baby progress and gadget damn

              Outline the situation in more detail.
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 5 March 2018 14: 55
                0
                Quote: Avis-bis
                Outline the situation in more detail

                If in more detail, then surrender immediately to prisoner, otherwise everything is wrong with you. That ski does not go, then something else. They have forgotten to drag the alien threat as a destabilizing factor in the war.
                1. Avis-bis
                  Avis-bis 5 March 2018 20: 38
                  +5
                  Quote: Orionvit
                  That ski does not go, then something else.

                  Self-critical.
        3. alexxxz
          alexxxz 5 March 2018 10: 21
          +1
          We make bonfires for cooking in 5 meters behind the buried tank and Javelin - such a Javelin. ))) The porridge scattered around the surrounding bushes is not a great price for the loss of one ATGM by the kaklams. And there are only 210 of them. It’s not even funny, to be honest, 210 missiles for all APUs. A drop in the sea, laughter through tears. And given the intellectual level of the APU warriors and the level of their training - so in general, consider that zilch!
          1. Avis-bis
            Avis-bis 5 March 2018 12: 10
            +7
            Quote: alexxxz
            We make bonfires for cooking in 5 meters behind the buried tank and Javelin - such a Javelin. )))

            I don’t think that the developers of ATGMs are dumber than the developers of MANPADS - anti-aircraft gunners have long learned to distinguish LTCs from exhaust gas turbine engines.
            1. alexxxz
              alexxxz 5 March 2018 15: 19
              0
              The temperature difference between a gas turbine engine and a diesel engine cannot be compared; these are incomparable things. This time!
              Secondly, I’m sure that the ATGM is not so much focused on exhaust, because it is far away from the true target, but on the scattered radiation from the transmission, and from the tower / gun. But if we take into account that the temperature of the tower is ALWAYS the same as the ambient air (+ - 0.1 degrees), then most likely it focuses on the transmission, i.e. on MTO, if we speak the language of science.
              1. Thor
                Thor 6 March 2018 03: 13
                +1
                "Javelin" is not "guided", but by scientific language, is induced.
                On the infrared signature of the target, together with the tower, MTO, exhaust exhaust and so on. And during the approach, the image of the signature constantly modifies. This is the language of technical vision. bully
            2. alexxxz
              alexxxz 5 March 2018 15: 21
              0
              Only the developers of the LTC, the same do not slurp their soup, and have learned to make the LTC even brighter than the exhaust of the gas turbine engine and jet engines.
              1. Brylevsky
                Brylevsky 5 March 2018 17: 31
                +3
                Young man, you are a dreamer. The above-described author of "Avis-bis" rightly remarked that the creators of this ATGM could not fail to take into account all those "childish" ways of deceiving him that you listed here. Here is what I still want to draw your attention to.
                Quote: alexxxz
                Secondly, I’m sure that the ATGM is not so much focused on exhaust, because it is far away from the true target, but on the scattered radiation from the transmission, and from the tower / gun.

                It’s not quite like that, or rather, not at all like that. Before the shot, the ATGM operator forms a “capture area” of the target on the screen. The image is "digitized" and represents an array of data, which is further used as a reference "reference". Homing equipment constantly compares the actual image of the target with its reference, which was at the time of capture of the target by the homing head. Thus, confusing the homing system of this missile with such primitive measures as thermal false targets will fail: too many thermal signatures. In simple terms, the images will be different, the rocket will reveal this difference. Because there is such a thing as a "false target selection algorithm." I have spoken out more than once on this subject, and I will repeat it again: don’t consider Americans fools. We have the same thermal GOS from the Sidewinder, as it were, to put it mildly ... "peeped." And the “Stinger” theirs was really better than our “Arrows”.
      2. cariperpaint
        cariperpaint 5 March 2018 12: 03
        +1
        depending on the mode. not necessarily on top.
    4. Finches
      Finches 5 March 2018 07: 48
      +9
      "... on rags"- Even I, the sofa warrior, managed it twice! laughing The only thing, to be serious, because to every complex, the Americans will pin their calculations, thereby increasing their military presence in the Donbas and this will already be two points on the globe of our practically direct confrontation - the bad thing is that this is a confrontation on our borders, and not vice versa .... Ukrainians, in this case, an ordinary, albeit aggressive, laying!
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 5 March 2018 08: 22
        +2
        Hi Zhenya ! hi Again the happiness of the Skakuas full of pants (for the umpteenth time).
        Before the United States decided to ship Javelin to Ukraine, Kiev sent its state reserves worth $ 1 billion to the United States for storage.

        So the scratches are now turnips: overpowered chi zrada? lol
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 5 March 2018 08: 46
          +1
          Not too much and not zrada! This is a complete independence from strangers. To give money for storage to the swindler is completely independent of his money!
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 5 March 2018 09: 16
            +1
            Quote: 30 vis
            To give money for storage to the swindler is completely independent of his money!

            Well, of course, lard given to "storage", terrible. And how many hundreds of billions of dollars. Russia buried in the "securities" of the United States?
        2. Finches
          Finches 5 March 2018 09: 08
          +5
          Hi Pash! hi Here it is - slavery! I won’t be surprised if the Americans introduce in Ukraine the right of the first night for all tourists from the USA, but even from this Ukrainians will make a national holiday! laughing
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 5 March 2018 09: 12
            +3
            Quote: Finches
            I won’t be surprised if the Americans introduce in Ukraine the right of the first night for all tourists from the USA, but even from this Ukrainians will make a national holiday!

            And I thought: it has been so for a long time ... what Deficiency Svidomosaurus! lol
            1. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis 5 March 2018 12: 11
              +5
              Quote: bouncyhunter

              And I thought: it has been so for a long time ... what Deficiency Svidomosaurus! lol

              good
    5. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 5 March 2018 07: 52
      +9
      Quote: Vard
      Against tanks buried in the ground ... and this is the main tactical use of tanks by the militia ...

      Here is WHERE you saw a the use of our tanks? Indicate our fortified, where the tanks are buried, or at least stand in caponiers ...
      And in general, we are LAZY, and dig holes under the tanks, do not burn with desire, we and the trenches, which is called "with our heads."
      But seriously, then overwhelming number our tanks, allotted to hell, according to it, etit it, Minsk. Skating, as they say, three cripples, and all. And more and more they defend themselves somewhere in the hangars, away from the curious. And they work, respectively, alas, very rarely.

      So think what you write ...
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 5 March 2018 09: 05
        +2
        Dear sapper, and comrades who is in the subject, how seriously is Javalin? Someone said that he has no advantages over ours?
        Perhaps I am mistaken, but "the beast is not so terrible as it is painted"
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 5 March 2018 09: 12
          +5
          Quote: Monarchist
          Dear sapper, and comrades who is in the subject, how seriously is Javalin? Someone said that he has no advantages over ours?

          Generally Separ(which I am proud of). And about the seriousness of the "Dart" ...
          In proving conditions, it does not show itself well, and the principle of "shot and forgot" and defeat from above, in the arsenal of its strengths. BUT, there is a "BUT".
          This is his susceptibility to reduced visibility in the region of the target, exposure to electromagnetic and radio interference, and indeed the cost ...

          Briefly, the weapon is not perfect at all, it requires its own specifics yes
          1. Avis-bis
            Avis-bis 5 March 2018 12: 13
            +7
            Quote: Separ DNR

            Generally Separ(which I am proud of).

            And what among the so-called "separs" (which are not such) there cannot be sappers? :)
            1. Separ DNR
              Separ DNR 5 March 2018 12: 32
              +2
              Quote: Avis-bis
              And what among the so-called "separs" (which are not such) there cannot be sappers? :)

              How do you determine who is who? Of course, I am “so-called,” because they call us that in general, and in particular dill, when they shout from their trenches.
              Do you think hurt me with such hints. By no means No. .
              And in general, Separ DNR - a motorized rifle, a plowing, cannon fodder.

              So what ??? Fate is not chosen. We will survive all the enemies yes
              1. Avis-bis
                Avis-bis 5 March 2018 12: 40
                +5
                Quote: Separ DNR
                Of course, I am “so-called,” because they call us that in general, and in particular dill, when they shout from their trenches.
                Do you think hurt me with such hints. By no means No. .

                Actually, I meant that people from LDNR are neither separatists nor separatists. And people who do not want to be commanded by the Nazis. Therefore, the so-called "so-called", that is, not being separate. It is just such a speech revolution. When they say "the so-called name-name", the meaning is embedded "so they call it, but, in fact, it is not." For example: the so-called ATO. But this is not an ATO, it is a punitive operation in a civil war.
                I didn’t want to hurt you. I treat LDNR with great respect.
                1. Separ DNR
                  Separ DNR 5 March 2018 12: 47
                  +1
                  Quote: Avis-bis
                  Actually, I meant that people from LDNR are neither separatists nor separatists.

                  But with this, one can argue. Since the 14th, over the DPR and LPR, so many “trends” have already swept through (both “Novorossiya” and “Little Russia”, and the desire to enter the Russian Federation, and the LPR-DPR union) that you want to become anyone by captivity, if only you isolate yourself from the damned juntas.
                  1. Avis-bis
                    Avis-bis 5 March 2018 14: 37
                    +5
                    Quote: Separ DNR
                    Quote: Avis-bis
                    Actually, I meant that people from LDNR are neither separatists nor separatists.

                    But with this, one can argue.

                    But do not argue. I just said that I am for LDNR and do not consider them separatists. The rest is nuances.
          2. Monarchist
            Monarchist 5 March 2018 15: 33
            0
            I apologize for the error: I saw that there is a "E", but I automatically wrote a more familiar one.
            “It doesn’t show itself well in landfill conditions,” but the landfill and the real war: “as Odessa residents say:“ two big differences. ”As far as I know:“ cornet ”or“ mestizo ”will be no worse, but less“ raspiarins ”.
            Least of all I want to offend someone, but I had a crazy idea: if the USA were to produce RPG2 or the same "fly", then they would become infinitely impossible, and Tymchuk would be happy
    6. mvg
      mvg 5 March 2018 08: 07
      0
      Attack from above .. or tanks are buried tightly, with a caponier?
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 5 March 2018 08: 13
        +3
        Quote: mvg
        Attack from above .. or tanks are buried tightly, with a caponier?

        Once again: WELL, NO, we have "hordes of buried tanks," NO, that's all.
        Read carefully my comment addressed Vard.
        1. mvg
          mvg 5 March 2018 08: 38
          +1
          I did not comment on you. I explained to the person that Javelin attacks from above, it is useless to bury oneself. Moreover, its armor penetration makes it possible to open the frontal armor of any ATO tank. Minus - it shoots close and flies for a long time, but hardly anyone will fire from a distance of more than 2500 m.
          PS: Yes, and I do not need to explain what to bury the pointless. On occasion, you need to throw a couple of pieces in Russia, for analysis, so to speak. Preferably with spices.
          1. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR 5 March 2018 11: 11
            +2
            Quote: mvg
            I did not comment on you. I explained to the person that Javelin attacks from above, it is useless to bury oneself.

            Yes, I looked at the comment time, and then I realized. Excuse me.

            Quote: mvg
            On occasion, you need to throw a couple of pieces in Russia, for analysis, so to speak. Preferably with spices.

            Do you think they have not yet been in the hands of Russian military and technical experts? I think that after all we visited yes
          2. yehat
            yehat 5 March 2018 12: 25
            0
            I wonder how effectively do systems that shoot down such approach on the fly protect against vertical fire? (Israel, South Korea, Russia, China have it) What I saw is purely horizontal
      2. yehat
        yehat 5 March 2018 08: 20
        +1
        dig in like this - no javelins are scary)))
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 5 March 2018 08: 33
          0
          Quote: yehat
          dig in like this - no javelins are scary)))

          This is good on the defensive, and you will need to advance in order to free your territory from occupation by the junta. Otherwise, Donbass will be under constant shelling for another ten years.
          1. yehat
            yehat 5 March 2018 11: 04
            0
            what to do when the ukrovermaht is many times more numerous, better equipped and just waiting for a reason for total mobilization to intensively shell and continue to crowd out civilians?
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 5 March 2018 15: 37
              0
              Quote: yehat
              what to do when the ukrovermaht is many times more numerous, better equipped and just waiting for a reason for total mobilization to intensively shell and continue to crowd out civilians?

              I hope that this "ukrovermaht" himself understands what he faces in case of attack. But pindostan kicks him to this. Russia will never allow the capture of Donbass by dill. Only the most frostbitten troll can doubt this.
              1. yehat
                yehat 5 March 2018 15: 40
                0
                they will not advance. they will bomb, fire, send DRGs, kill activists, carry out blockades and hostage-taking.
        2. vasya.pupkin
          vasya.pupkin 5 March 2018 12: 18
          +1
          Yes, it can be pierced only by “Peony” or “Tamahawks”, well, or direct fire.
    7. Coronel76
      Coronel76 5 March 2018 08: 34
      0
      Quote: Vard
      Against tanks buried in the ground ... and this is the main tactical use of tanks by the militia ... any ATGM, it's nothing ....

      As far as I know, the "Javelin" hits from top to bottom (I can be wrong) that is exactly what it is dangerous for, so the tank about the trench is not a hindrance to it! rather, on the contrary, an ideal target.
      1. Romka47
        Romka47 5 March 2018 12: 31
        +1
        You see, the system “shot forgot”, he needs to go to the tank and capture the target, it is guided by infrared, that is, the tank must be “hot” and in the caponier he first covers up with ground, and secondly, is most likely drowned. By standing, you can also wet the Soviet (which they and we do). And this muck is used for defense. Well, I think so)
    8. Romka47
      Romka47 5 March 2018 12: 29
      +1
      Javelin hits the tower from above, so that in order to help the land it is necessary to bury it with the tower for a meter. And they will not use it in stationary positions, this is generally a weapon of defense (if I remember correctly). But if suddenly the militia goes on the attack then yes they will help and well, gentlemen, I also don’t like ukrov not star-striped, but let's be realistic, the javelin is very Very good ATGM, and it will bring some grief to our house.
    9. iouris
      iouris 5 March 2018 12: 52
      0
      "Javelin" hits the tank from above. What difference does it make to him - is the tank buried or not?
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 5 March 2018 06: 57
    +2
    It would be time for him to sew a helmet instead of a head - one jester, there is no mind in the head as such, and there hasn’t been a brain for a long time. Therefore, there is no difference whether there is a head or an empty helmet instead of it.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 March 2018 06: 59
    +5
    According to Tymchuk, Javelin Ukraine’s ATGM will receive “free of charge”.

    Kaklov during the New Year and Santa Claus do not go away with gifts - either they give him a geyropa for free, or Merikatos rattles for free ... bully They want everything for free! But wanting is one thing, and paying bills is another. laughing
    1. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 5 March 2018 07: 02
      +3
      But somehow gas is not at all free:
      During the day, Naftogaz replaced gas that should be supplied from Gazprom to gas from Europe. Gas these days in Europe was worth a thousand dollars, that is four times more than under the contract with Gazprom
      Westerners never lost their profit ...
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 5 March 2018 09: 21
        +1
        Corsair0304 Today, 07:02 ↑
        But somehow gas is not at all free:

        So these are their slogans, not mine!
    2. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 5 March 2018 07: 59
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      Kaklov during the New Year and Santa Claus with gifts do not go away

      They traded Santa Claus for Santa Claus. It is not a helmet that needs a helmet, you must have a saucepan. However, well, to hell would be with these hollowers.
    3. Fedorov
      Fedorov 5 March 2018 08: 15
      +6
      Schools are closed for a week, for the first time in the 21st century across the country. Due to economy and theft. Many enterprises have become. Thank God, at least they don’t cut out the light, like two years ago.
      Super-achievement of the Maidan. - Yuzhmash became, Kryvorizhstal is breathing in the wings, Antonov in touch, Melitopol. Engines ... but you can list a lot. In short, I recommend everyone to blame from this country. And he soon, to his homeland, for the Ural Mountains.
      1. Avis-bis
        Avis-bis 5 March 2018 09: 06
        +4
        Quote: Fedorov
        Antonov in touch

        And by the way, how is he doing? And then I dropped out of the topic. After the liquidation of the Antonov joint venture, the skakuas shouted that “now everything will go uphill! This is not the liquidation of ANTK, but only the reorganization and liquidation of the empty shell - the joint venture!”
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 5 March 2018 09: 16
          +2
          Quote: Avis-bis
          And by the way, how is he doing?

          The Communists did not hear, AN and YAK were given to them. Well, who knew something? Now here suspiciously similar pepelats appeared among the bourgeois. We are not greedy, eat with a bun. We already pack reactors in a soccer ball in the meantime. By the 2018 World Cup, that's it. laughing . And no meldonium, cf ...
          1. Avis-bis
            Avis-bis 5 March 2018 12: 15
            +5
            Quote: iliitch
            the Communists, (...) they gave them YAK.

            What are you talking about?
  4. Observer2014
    Observer2014 5 March 2018 06: 59
    +4
    Talk about the Javelins has already torn the Russian military to rags
    Kindergarten, second quarter. Russia completely unties its hands the supply of these missiles. Another question is how to take advantage of this situation.
    1. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 5 March 2018 07: 03
      +1
      How does it unleash and for what?
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 5 March 2018 07: 38
        +3
        Quote: Corsair0304
        How does it unleash and for what?


        The time will come - you will find out

        You can also contact our General Staff with a request if you are very curious
        1. insular
          insular 5 March 2018 07: 51
          +3
          Quote: bulvas
          You can still contact our General Staff with a request

          Is it you now on behalf of the General Staff or so, for the sake of importance? wassat lol
          As if the question is very much in the subject, How does it unleash and for what?
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 5 March 2018 09: 46
            +1
            Quote: insular
            Quote: bulvas
            You can still contact our General Staff with a request

            Is it you now on behalf of the General Staff or so, for the sake of importance? wassat lol
            As if the question is very much in the subject, How does it unleash and for what?


            For what importance?

            On behalf of the General Staff, I propose to contact the General Staff for information?

            You should not always rush to write, especially if only in order to be noted with your answer

            You know how we were taught in the elementary grades - to mentally pronounce what you are going to write.

            It is still desirable here and try to comprehend before writing
        2. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 5 March 2018 11: 24
          0
          Quote: bulvas
          You can also contact our General Staff with a request if you are very curious

          laughing Damn, it would be interesting to hear the answer "without cameras", a floor that way at 3, special for the curious.
      2. Fedorov
        Fedorov 5 March 2018 08: 20
        +3
        The answer is simple - Voentorg, I won’t open military secrets, but the DPR has ATGMs of the latest Russian generations. Maybe somewhere stolen from the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense. smile We are waiting for the next "theft" and deliveries. wink
        1. mvg
          mvg 5 March 2018 08: 43
          +1
          There are no 3 generations of ATGMs in Russia. Shot, forgot.
          1. Fedorov
            Fedorov 5 March 2018 09: 38
            +4
            You know better in the tank.
            the range of thermal GOS is significantly less than that of television, thermal imaging, optical and radar channels for detecting targets and pointing missiles at it, which are used in second-generation ATGMs. So, the maximum firing range of the American Javelin ATGM is 2,5 km. Cornet is 5,5 km away. In the modification of "Cornet-D" she brought up to 10 km. The difference is palpable.

            Even more difference in cost. A portable version of Javelin, without a chassis, costs more than 200 thousand dollars. Cornet is 10 times cheaper.
            1. mvg
              mvg 5 March 2018 11: 56
              0
              Is this a wiki shared? )))
              No, I didn’t sit in the tank. I'm afraid of a confined space. I prefer ships.
              PS.: And at the cost of navramshi .. Here the price tags for this overseas miracle were quoted on. But the order is correct (without the missiles themselves). Cornet is also not cheap, not 10 times.
              1. yehat
                yehat 5 March 2018 13: 25
                0
                I'm afraid of a confined space. I prefer ships.

                apparently, serve in a special trireme squadron, because all other ships are closed.
  5. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 5 March 2018 07: 05
    +8
    Soon they will be given hand grenades with an increased throwing range, here there will be joys, how many sleepless nights and experiences. smile
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 5 March 2018 07: 10
      0
      Yeah, just do not say that these grenades with a "boomerang effect" wassat , and constantly come back from where they were thrown. laughing
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 March 2018 07: 13
    +4
    tore not only the Kremlin, but also the Russian military in the Donbass on rags.
    I don’t even have normal words to comment on another Ukrainian pearl. After the so-called "revolution of virtues" (just whose is not clear) surfaced everything parashny that used to just sit in the basements afraid to show their wretchedness.
  7. lopvlad
    lopvlad 5 March 2018 07: 19
    +3
    Note - not at the expense of our budget, but at the expense of US military assistance to Ukraine.


    it’s the joy of the idiot whom the master handed the weapon for free so that he would go and die for the interests of the overseas master.
  8. svp67
    svp67 5 March 2018 07: 25
    +2
    That is, despite the wild criticism and opposition of many of our "experts" (including those who position themselves as "patriots"), Ukraine will still receive modern anti-tank systems of the last, third generation.
    Yes hi, they will get them ... Once again, we’ll see how “overpower” will quickly turn into a “zrada” ...
  9. evil partisan
    evil partisan 5 March 2018 07: 33
    +1
    It seems to me that this brow will have to cut the fly not only from his machine gun ... sad
    1. Fedorov
      Fedorov 5 March 2018 07: 59
      +2
      Or maybe for them the buzz is in the fly? love
  10. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 5 March 2018 07: 48
    +3
    For those to whom the United States delivers something on credit it costs in the end at a space price + political sex services. Freebie, as a concept in the "exceptional" is completely absent. Some people realize this too late, and such "talking pots" are not able to understand it at all.
  11. Simon
    Simon 5 March 2018 07: 49
    +1
    Quote: siberalt
    How is it sold not at the expense of the budget? belay The Americans do not have this. lol

    Of course! They will find out how to tear off the money or take it away with the earth. Americans do nothing for free, anyway they will have some kind of benefit. wink
  12. bald
    bald 5 March 2018 07: 55
    +2
    --- "Note - not at the expense of our budget (which is not), but at the expense of the military (humanitarian) assistance of the USA themselves (who have lost) the USA."
  13. isker
    isker 5 March 2018 08: 15
    +2
    and what? 45 installations, 6 missiles per installation ... now we’ll subtract - the number of missiles for training-calculation (one person can’t start this prodigy), 2 missiles from each calculation - must be sent to the warehouse for NZ storage and what is left over? I’m silent about the length of the “border” - over 400 km.
    conclusion - pure PR - the squeal of an enthusiastic child - the West is with us!
    1. alstr
      alstr 5 March 2018 08: 40
      0
      I’ll add that there are 37 installations. But even if 6 per brother, they forget how many shots she can do.
    2. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 5 March 2018 09: 09
      +6
      Quote: isker
      for training calculation training

      For MANPADS there are computer simulators: a sphere on which the situation is projected from the inside. Startup success is also considered a computer. Maybe there is something similar for the Javelins. In principle, it is not very expensive and can provide basic skills.
      1. alexxxz
        alexxxz 5 March 2018 14: 45
        0
        Only, for sure, this miracle costs many times more than the delivered volume of ATGM.
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 5 March 2018 14: 54
          +5
          Quote: alexxxz
          Only, for sure, this miracle costs many times more than the delivered volume of ATGM.

          If you buy, yes.
    3. alexxxz
      alexxxz 5 March 2018 14: 46
      0
      Why don’t I understand this zoo. 45 * 6 = 270. And we are talking about 210 missiles. Is not it so?
  14. Altona
    Altona 5 March 2018 08: 22
    0
    Quote: Fedorov
    And about the "Javelins" .. smile guys, "Voentorg" works.

    ------------------------
    In such a marketable version, "Javelin" as a Polaroid camera. The cassettes ended and the camera ran out because cartridges have not been sold for a long time. laughing
  15. Dormidont
    Dormidont 5 March 2018 08: 33
    0
    If you too often post the mooing of this animal, you can also bend over yourself
  16. Coronel76
    Coronel76 5 March 2018 08: 38
    0
    Ukraine will receive modern anti-tank systems of the last, third generation

    Wash, we already have all the 4th generation, if not the fifth generation. Correct spruce wrong.
  17. Monarchist
    Monarchist 5 March 2018 08: 41
    0
    Quote: yehat
    combed themselves

    better remember the fable about the pug and the elephant.

    "She is strong if she knows an elephant"
  18. BAI
    BAI 5 March 2018 08: 51
    +1
    Well, when they put it, it will be interesting and useful to study. After all, they themselves brought.
  19. cats
    cats 5 March 2018 09: 20
    +2
    210 pieces .. All .. We are Khan .. recourse
    If I’m not mistaken, Javelin, is it like a Sarmatian rocket? .. lol
  20. PalBor
    PalBor 5 March 2018 09: 25
    +1
    Obama was already tearing the Russian economy to shreds, he had overtaken himself. And rags ... well, of them you can weave a loop for the hacker.
  21. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 5 March 2018 10: 07
    +1
    They love to tear to shreds. Either the economy or the military. As a result, they themselves become torn. request
  22. rocket757
    rocket757 5 March 2018 10: 09
    +1
    No wonder they are talking about a helmet that says ... brains there, by definition, are not provided for! However, for the same says pan-legcoles!
  23. Lieutenant colonel
    Lieutenant colonel 5 March 2018 10: 50
    +1
    Back in the tank school, we were taught how to fight such things in defense. There is an interesting vesch - a catalytic burner. so 2 of them installed along the front of the tank at ..... away from it do not allow to capture the tank as a heat-contrast target. There are a number of technical solutions to counter such pit weapons.
    But in the offensive - you need to turn the eggs to the infantry in order to fulfill the basic requirement for it in the offensive.
    And yes - the main advantage of the T-72 (80,90) over Armata is the ability to use mechanical guidance drives. Without using the main or auxiliary power plant.
  24. Blue fox
    Blue fox 5 March 2018 10: 58
    +3
    “Javelin” is dangerous, do not underestimate it. Especially when you consider that in the event of an APU attack, it will be necessary to quickly transfer strike groups to counterattack and repel the inevitable breakthrough of the front in several places (receiver and rocket artillery, and even OTRK, re-equip strong points in the direction of the strike for organizing a breakthrough for mobile units by machines and infantry on BMP) Tanks and BMP LNR and DNR are best suited for this. And in these situations, we have a maneuvering engagement, in which trained Javelin operators moving on BMPs in the same order as their tanks can do things. Remember the debut of the Arabs with the “Baby” against Israeli tanks.
    As regards the combat stability of tanks in caponiers to anti-tank systems, the greater danger, in my opinion, is from unmanned aerial vehicles that were successfully used against Armenian tanks in Nagorno-Karabakh not so long ago.
  25. alexxxz
    alexxxz 5 March 2018 11: 00
    +4
    I googled here for this Javelin and was happy for the APU.
    So, for example, they write: “KPB (command-launch unit) is used to search and identify targets. The search is carried out using the day or night channel, after which the shooter switches to the view from the GOS missile for capture. Regardless of the time of day, the night channel is The main mode in this mode is to display the image on the viewfinder using a KPB thermal imager.The cooled matrix of the thermal imager with optical-mechanical scanning contains 240x2 elements based on the semiconductor compound KRT (cadmium-mercury-tellurium), which provides an image of long-wave infrared radiation with a resolution of 240x480. For cooling the matrix, an IDCA Dewar cooler, a small-sized Joule-Thomson effect cooler integrated with the matrix, is used. The day channel is a telescopic system and allows viewing without power, it is not affected by the noise inherent in the night channel. batteries.
    Since 2013, a new version of the CLU (KPB) has been supplied, where the optical day channel has been replaced with a 5 megapixel camera, the CLU has a GPS receiver and a laser range finder to improve the calculation of ballistic characteristics, as well as transmit target coordinates via the built-in radio station "- as you think, will Khokhlov deliver updated or outdated versions? The answer is obvious!
    But about the old versions in competitive tests it was said:
    "Noise immunity - relative, Noise immunity - low, Threatening interference factors - heat traps (lawsuit), dust, smoke, fire, fog, weather and climate factors (natural).
    The operator operation algorithm is as follows:
    1. Obtaining the target template as a reference photograph from the CLU launcher. To do this, before starting, the target is shot with the increase and cropping of the frame.
    2. Shooting a frame already from the GOS ATGM on a 64x64 pixel matrix at a speed of 180 frames per second.
    3. On the received frame, it is searched for where there are areas with large objects in the IR range, which are cropped as “regions of interest” (Region of Interest (ROI).
    4. According to gyroscopes, the algorithm estimates the approximate distance to the target and the horizon of the rocket, and usually using the Mellin transforms it receives a reduced and correctly rotated template at the same scale as the obtained images of the "regions of interest".
    5. Next, the algorithm sequentially "applies" a template many times to the image of the "region of interest" moving pixel by pixel and line by line.
    6. Next, the functions of the correlation analysis are called up and if the image looks like a template, then correlation peaks appear.
    7. The algorithm selects as the target coordinates those coordinates of the template overlay that showed the maximum correlation peaks. Up to a distance of 100-300 meters, the target details for the low-resolution matrix like Javelin are almost indistinguishable, therefore the algorithm responds more to the target as a point object.
    8. If the target photo is very different from the template (shows a weak correlation), then the already new image of the target is stored as a new set of correlation points (“adapted template”) and repeated from step 2. “And all this“ trouble ”works from the IR seeker That is, any bonfire next to the target will introduce a HUGE obstacle to the work of the IC GOS and the Operator of the complex.
    I think that it will all end with half of the complexes being sold to Voentorg, and the other half rendered unusable by pulling batteries for use in the national economy.
  26. skomfit
    skomfit 5 March 2018 11: 39
    +1
    Now the sect of followers of Jewelin will revive smile
  27. av58
    av58 5 March 2018 12: 17
    0
    No one is going to underestimate the Jewels, they shoot any weapon, and in Iraq, Yemen and Syria they burn the Abrams and Leopards even from the bearded RPG-7. The question is who is fighting and how. So far, nothing has helped the APU and banderlogs, even when their numerical and material superiority over the rebels in Novorossia was absolutely overwhelming. Why should new Russians now be afraid of the appearance of American weapons? We are not talking about the Russian army at all.
  28. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 5 March 2018 13: 16
    +1
    Quote: Coronel76
    Quote: Vard
    Against tanks buried in the ground ... and this is the main tactical use of tanks by the militia ... any ATGM, it's nothing ....

    As far as I know, the "Javelin" hits from top to bottom (I can be wrong) that is exactly what it is dangerous for, so the tank about the trench is not a hindrance to it! rather, on the contrary, an ideal target.


    At what distance can you see the tank in the trench? Javelin’s operator needs to visually observe the target. Even if he sees this tank at a distance of a kilometer, which I doubt very much, this tank should be with a working engine, but the thermal profile of the tank in the trench is very different from the profile of the tank in the open, plus not there should be fog and strong smoke formation. In real life, to capture such a tank in sight will turn out 500 meters from the target. I very much doubt that the tank will be dragged to such a distance to the target. Even at a distance of 1 km the operator will have little chance of surviving after the first shot, which is not a fact that it hits the target. The maximum flight speed of the rocket is approximately 100 m / s. If the launch is detected in time, you can manage to use smoke masking from the standard means of the tank. Setting the smoke screen is a XNUMX% guarantee that the missile will lose its target.
  29. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 5 March 2018 13: 20
    +1
    Quote: Kotovsky
    210 pieces .. All .. We are Khan .. recourse
    If I’m not mistaken, Javelin, is it like a Sarmatian rocket? .. lol


    While they’re learning, they will shoot from them, they will spend all the missiles and it’s not a fact that they will learn winked
  30. krokus792
    krokus792 5 March 2018 13: 42
    0
    [quote = krokus792] At 200! why trifle
    1. alexxxz
      alexxxz 5 March 2018 14: 33
      0
      Little things! Point blank! From a triplex slingshot beat and defeat.
  31. alexxxz
    alexxxz 5 March 2018 14: 34
    0
    Quote: Xscorpion
    they will spend all the missiles and not the fact that they will learn more

    I wrote about the same. 210 missiles - it's like nothing. Kuram ridicule!
  32. Lieutenant colonel
    Lieutenant colonel 7 March 2018 04: 04
    0
    Javelin is a pretty good weapon. but like any weapon has its weaknesses.
    I don’t know how in Novorossia - but the Russian Armed Forces take into account the strengths and weaknesses of those weapons that we have to fight, although I think that my colleagues are there, too, meaning Novorossia.
    I still remember a lot of things from my first VUS (it is so unfortunate that my school was disbanded .....). So do not be like a "talking helmet" - you need to know how to deal with the enemy.
    I repeat - the Javelins are good weapons, but you can also fight with them with fairly simple, improvised means.