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The Russian Foreign Ministry commented on the publication of the hundreds of Russians who died in Deir ez-Zor

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In the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, reports of allegedly "hundreds of Russian citizens killed in Syria" were called fake. Recall that we are talking about statements that are more like a disinformation carousel with an unknown source. These statements contain “evidence” that in Syria aviation the American coalition struck allegedly at representatives of the Wagner group. Moreover, the numbers of people killed in various media are getting higher and higher every day. Initially, reports were published about "about 100 dead", after - "about 200-300", on the eve of the "500-600 dead Russians."


The Russian Foreign Ministry, a statement which leads Interfaxreport a mischief spread. From the statement of the Foreign Ministry:
The spread messages about hundreds, dozens of dead Russians - this is classic disinformation.


CNN TV channel previously published footage of a strike by American coalition planes in the province of Deir ez-Zor, announcing that the victims "could become Russians."

The Russian Foreign Ministry commented on the publication of the hundreds of Russians who died in Deir ez-Zor


It can be stated that the closer the election day in Russia, the more often in the Western media and individual Russian portals that refer to them will appear statements about the "hundreds" and "thousands" of dead citizens of Russia in Syria (and in general, wherever). The only goal is to unleash a rumor in order to cause discontent among ordinary Russians, as has often happened before. One of these options is the innumerable reprinting of the fake ukroSMI that in the Donbass almost five mouths of “Russian paratroopers” fell in one of the battles.
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  1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 14 February 2018 13: 02
    +24
    Something long waited with a refutation
    1. 210ox
      210ox 14 February 2018 13: 06
      +29
      Well, not even a week has passed. And who have the “brakes”. The Baltic states?
      Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Something long waited with a refutation
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 14 February 2018 13: 18
        +12
        Quote: 210ox
        It can be stated that the closer the election day in Russia ...
        - So guys, cook your ears for noodles ...
      2. Zubr
        Zubr 14 February 2018 13: 20
        +21
        If you did not immediately respond, then the news was sucked out of your finger. The "authors" looked at this opus and thought: "we should thicken the paints, and we will untwist ourselves and podgadim who needs it."
        The more terrible a lie, the easier it is to believe in it, such is human nature.

        Unfortunately, in the modern world, in the pursuit of sensation and money, the principles of morality, conscience and decency are absent. Well, then they will write a refutation, they say make a mistake, but the thing is done, those who need it have already eaten, others still break their spears. It’s like in a big village: “I farted at one end, and at the other end they say that I’ve done it in my pants” .. smile
      3. Alexy
        Alexy 14 February 2018 13: 21
        +7
        Obviously they didn’t think that this stuffing would make so much noise
        1. Leeds
          Leeds 14 February 2018 13: 35
          +18
          Well, the more real numbers are 13-17 PMKashnikov, confirmations have already been sent by relatives. We are not talking about hundreds. The Syrians at the funeral, the Syrians themselves counted for 200. That is, the total is close to a hundred.

          But, we were given this blow with a strong slap in the face, expanding the boundaries of what is permitted.
          It would be logical to strike at the "threatening" activity of YPG, to warn Americans, but to fuck.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 14 February 2018 14: 50
            +7
            Quote: Leeds
            confirmations have already been sent by relatives.

            The daughter of an officer is a diagnosis.
            1. Omskgasmyas
              Omskgasmyas 15 February 2018 09: 28
              +3
              We offer already in all social networks: give the addresses of the families of the deceased, the address of the hospital and the ward where the wounded are treated, we want to help financially, and in response, the angry blah blah blah and immediately jump off the topic.
          2. NEOZ
            NEOZ 14 February 2018 15: 30
            0
            do you propose starting a new civil war in Syria?
            the Kurds will consider this a kick and want to respond with a kick, and then the living will avenge the dead ....
            Bottom line: civil war with renewed vigor! Kurds about 100-150 thousand. Fighters !!!!!!
            1. Leeds
              Leeds 14 February 2018 16: 47
              +2
              No, it’s not necessary to answer for ours, but it’s possible for the Kurds. A response crack could have taken place nonetheless.
      4. Loess
        Loess 14 February 2018 13: 30
        +17
        They would answer right away, conspiracy theorists would decide that it is strange that our Foreign Ministry quickly reacted to the fake. I tend to believe the Foreign Ministry.
      5. vlad66
        vlad66 14 February 2018 14: 11
        +13
        Quote: 210ox
        Well, not even a week has passed. And who have the “brakes”. The Baltic states?

        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        Something long waited with a refutation

        And if you responded right away? They would say - Something quickly responded? And who is ultrafast like this? Such news is checked very carefully and not on one channel, it takes time yes This girkin with el murids needs to be thrown in and connected faster, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense are serious offices. hi
        1. Ryazan87
          Ryazan87 14 February 2018 15: 20
          +9
          https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3467261

          And what about the video that Mr. Oliver Stone was shown with a serious look to remind? Or have not forgotten yet.
          MO - seriously, yes hi
          1. Ryazan87
            Ryazan87 15 February 2018 16: 02
            0
            http://www.interfax.ru/russia/600159
            "According to preliminary data, as a result of the armed conflict, the causes of which are now being clarified, we can talk about the deaths of five people, allegedly citizens of Russia. There are victims, but all this requires verification, in particular, first of all, of their citizenship (...) I want to emphasize once again that this is not about the Russian military, "Zakharova said at a briefing in Moscow.
            The "serious" spun ...
    2. cniza
      cniza 14 February 2018 13: 06
      +12
      This is a war, an information war, and we must understand that it has its own nuances.
      1. Monos
        Monos 14 February 2018 13: 14
        +22
        Good afternoon, Victor! hi
        Quote: cniza
        This is a war, an information war, and we must understand that it has its own nuances.

        The Foreign Ministry is not Echo of Moscow. Unchecked info can not drive. A check always takes time.
        1. cniza
          cniza 14 February 2018 13: 16
          +4
          Teska, welcome! hi Naturally, and especially from Syria, this requires even more time.
        2. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 14 February 2018 13: 43
          +5
          Victor, salute! hi Mattresses would be better off calculating the loss of their own barmalei, rather than Russian. negative
          1. Monos
            Monos 14 February 2018 13: 50
            +4
            Darova, Pasha! hi
            What do these barmalei have to them? So, consumable ...
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 14 February 2018 13: 54
              +3
              Yes, mattresses spit drooling over the losses, no matter whose, but how can you miss the chance to pour shit on Russia? am
          2. Oleg Monarchist
            Oleg Monarchist 14 February 2018 16: 34
            +5
            They do not consider their PMCs either.
            The total loss of Blackwater in Iraq amounted to about 780 people, these people are not taken into account in the official statistics of military losses.
        3. Flatter
          Flatter 14 February 2018 13: 57
          +1
          Of course, especially when verification takes place through the media.
      2. private person
        private person 14 February 2018 18: 08
        +3
        At first they also shouted about the bombardment of the airbase that they were disinfectant. Wait and see.
    3. Father of a Soldier
      Father of a Soldier 14 February 2018 13: 09
      +25
      In this situation, I am not outraged by the number of numbers, but the fact that ours perished !!! fighters and they are sorry for something babbling. The Wagner group took an active part in the events in the Crimea and the Donbass, then they were not considered mercenaries.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 14 February 2018 14: 54
        +3
        They just wrote that among the dead there are NO Russian citizens and Wagner PMC fighters.
        Quote: Soldier's father
        It is not the number of figures that puzzles us, but the very fact that ours perished !!! fighters

        what is it for?
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ 14 February 2018 15: 34
        +8
        But I am outraged by the use of s130ganship! this is how much you need to be confident in yourself so that you can send such a coffin to regular parts !!!
      3. Oleg Monarchist
        Oleg Monarchist 14 February 2018 16: 11
        0
        Throw off the address and phone numbers of the Wagner Group. Other PMCs have all this on their sites,
        1. Vvol
          Vvol 14 February 2018 18: 56
          +4
          Throw off the address and phone numbers of the Wagner Group. Other PMCs have all this on their sites,
          Dear, the highlight lies in the fact that what is called the Wagner PMC in informal near-military and near-political circles, in social networks and in the media - this structure (structures?) informal from a legal point of view, a grouping. Other PMCs — RSB Group and Moran Security Group — are at least registered somewhere in Cyprus ... I don’t remember exactly ... Why, by the way, they are not formally “Russian” (for the commonplace reason that we do not have a law on PMCs) - being such de facto (leaders are Russians, they also recruit “specialists” from the corresponding region). RSB-Group, moreover, has a branch in Russia in the form of a private security company for solving security tasks in a "peaceful" country ... These Russian PMCs are, yes: quite respectable and official offices. They are recruiting people to fulfill the tasks of "ensuring security" in unstable regions abroad. And by the way - the leaders of these two PMCs in media interviews always denied your participation in the Syrian War! (What is typical - even the media, first investigating the incident around the "Slavic Corps" in 13, and then the "PMC Wagner" phenomenon, did not particularly persist in trying to tie RSB-G. And MSG to " sending the Wagnerites "to Syria ...) Wagner PMC is another matter. If they are registered under any guise somewhere in an offshore in Cyprus, even if they hide behind some kind of "office of the company" Recruiting and Leasing of Personnel & Horns and Hooves "somewhere outside the Moscow Ring Road, then this is their whole" officialization "and ends. The structure was originally created as a de jure informal organization for sending unofficial fighters to separate regions - that is, de facto, balancing on the verge of" organizing and financing illegal armed group"... Therefore, the PMC doesn’t have an official site and the universal spreading of a telephone on all available Internet dumps. not foreseen.
          One thing is for sure - no matter how much this topic has been mythologized in social networks and in the media, and no matter how many actors have risen to the banner in a far from pleasant light for Russian patriots (hello, Great Ukrainians!), But alas, oh, for past years, there have been reports of the Wagner PMC phenomenon too much. From a variety of sources, a very different ideological orientation and political orientation. It was debated wherever it was in the most different ways, many times, issuing verdicts ranging from "You are all lying! 11 Ikhtamnet !! 1" to "Putin equips a secret army of thugs! How long?! 1" ... In a word, it’s worth recognizing: a set through informal, non-governmental channels of people with military training as "ichtamnets" for sending to Syria - there was a place to be.
          This is the trouble with our participation in this war - too much vague information. The official position of the Russian government bodies also contributes to this uncertainty: our participation in the hostilities is limited and that’s the point, we don’t know anything about such an incident, we’ll clarify the information on these Russians (journalists) voiced by you, contact the MoD for clarifications, etc. The Secret War, in a word. And here you can, of course, accept the point of view: “Yes, these are all fairy tales from the yellow press! The Foreign Ministry cannot tell untrue information!” Wagner "and" hundreds "of corpses of" Russian mercenaries "- they believed the lies of dill / the infamous Girkind / echo matzah / American propaganda - that is, the sworn enemies of Russia! Stop madness!" ... But personally, I would not do it now such categorical statements - for the reason that I understand very well that further история us all judge anyway! Over time, more and more evidence of past events and exposures of old myths will begin to appear - and the "secret" pages of this seemingly "official" war will become more clearly visible ... Only then would conscience not prick for "fiery words spoken to someone in the park" "
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 14 February 2018 21: 18
            0
            Quote: Vvol
            no matter how much this topic is mythologized in social networks and in the media, and no matter how many actors rise to the banner

            Is that your usual speech?
    4. Vend
      Vend 14 February 2018 13: 09
      +10
      Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Something long waited with a refutation

      They clarified the truth and made a statement.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 14 February 2018 13: 25
        +3
        Quote: Wend
        They clarified the truth and made a statement.

        hi
        Exactly. This is the priority of the Western media to give out "unthinkable" and knowingly false "sensations" (the use of chemical weapons of SAA, the presence of chemical weapons in Iraq, the use of Gaddafi for breakfast of babies, the organization of the Trump election by Russian hackers, etc.). So in the situation with the fighters of "Wagner" - checked, double-checked - fake. The East is a delicate matter, and in Syria today the devil himself will break his leg.
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          1. Vend
            Vend 14 February 2018 14: 15
            +8
            Quote: Roman Haliman
            The men who survived are probably very surprised at your support. Go to the hospital and find out! You nonsense.

            Have you been there? Give the address.
      2. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 14 February 2018 13: 50
        +9
        Quote: Wend
        They clarified the truth and made a statement.

        ? who found out? MO?., Yes, they were in the know about everything and just kept silent, here not long ago Romanov proved to everyone that it was a fake. muvka echoed him, and what do we see? ours died and more than one, two, the question is - MO will continue to keep silent?
        1. Vend
          Vend 14 February 2018 14: 16
          +3
          Quote: Tiksi-3
          Quote: Wend
          They clarified the truth and made a statement.

          ? who found out?
          The one who should and who has the resources to verify information. And not couch analysts.
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 14 February 2018 14: 21
            +5
            Quote: Wend
            The one who should

            and who should?
            Quote: Wend
            And not couch analysts.

            Well, why so self-critical ??
            Quote: Wend
            and who has the resources to verify information

            Well, yes, yes, yes ..... first send a troupe there, and then check fool
            1. Vend
              Vend 14 February 2018 14: 25
              +2
              Quote: Tiksi-3
              Quote: Wend
              The one who should

              and who should?
              Quote: Wend
              And not couch analysts.

              Well, why so self-critical ??
              Quote: Wend
              and who has the resources to verify information

              Well, yes, yes, yes ..... first send a troupe there, and then check fool

              Well, really kindergarten laughing
              1. Tiksi-3
                Tiksi-3 14 February 2018 14: 28
                +5
                Quote: Wend
                Well, really kindergarten

                Well, when there is nothing to say, except for slogans - it remains to go to insults, the patriot of the Russian Federation lying on the sofa guesses. you can not answer me you are not interested
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 14 February 2018 15: 03
                  +2
                  Quote: Tiksi-3
                  Well, when there is nothing to say but slogans

                  that is, do you still have slogans? By direct text from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - Russian citizens and PMC fighters among the dead and wounded NO.
                  Are you aware that tribal members can be Russian citizens?
                  So what is the noise?
                2. Vend
                  Vend 14 February 2018 15: 34
                  +2
                  Quote: Tiksi-3
                  Quote: Wend
                  Well, really kindergarten

                  Well, when there is nothing to say, except for slogans - it remains to go to insults, the patriot of the Russian Federation lying on the sofa guesses. you can not answer me you are not interested

                  Well, definitely a kindergarten laughing
        2. woron333444
          woron333444 14 February 2018 14: 44
          +2
          Tiksi-3 The pro-Amerian Kurds were killed in which the Americans mistakenly struck. Even the Pentagon has confirmed this. But for some reason, in some of the stupidity of the Americans.
        3. NEOZ
          NEOZ 14 February 2018 15: 53
          +2
          a neighbor lives near me (her husband was a military man) and says- "I had a girlfriend in my youth, I became a widow early ...."
          I- "what a widow?"
          she- "well, when there was a" Caribbean crisis "they were loaded onto ships one night .... then the funeral came, none of the living units returned"
          i tensed
          I - "and who did he serve?"
          she - "Yes, only graduated from the flight academy, Air Force lieutenant"
          there is nowhere open information that there were clashes in which many Soviet pilots died .... there is no information whatsoever that the pilots died !!!
          so why do you need to know everything?
          not afraid to sleep badly?
        4. Oleg Monarchist
          Oleg Monarchist 14 February 2018 16: 14
          +1
          MO is the Ministry of Defense and it is specifically responsible for actions Russian military personnel. But regarding the so-called mythical "Wagner group" comments come from the muddy Cossack chieftains. Here they take an interest.
          1. Evgeniy667b
            Evgeniy667b 14 February 2018 18: 24
            +4
            This is why suddenly the mythical group Wagner. Both the USSR and Russia often used Zashtat. The Union used conscripts from the number of conscripts, for the most part. And how many of those were sent to the same Egypt in 73, though they returned soon, they did not go into details with the Arabs. Tankists, motorized rifles. Wagner's same staff, but on a contract basis. They are, but they are somehow not there. But these are living people, not mythical.
            1. Oleg Monarchist
              Oleg Monarchist 14 February 2018 20: 41
              +3
              Soviet civilian specialists abroad - engineers, technicians, highly skilled workers sent abroad to provide technical assistance in various industries of friendly countries.

              Forwarded through the State Committee for Economic Relations (GKES) - Technopromexport, Atomenergoexport, etc.

              Soviet military specialists abroad were of two categories:

              Military personnel — military personnel of the USSR Armed Forces sent to assist in the development, maintenance and operation of military equipment and weapons in the armed forces of other states;
              Military advisers - military personnel of the USSR Armed Forces, engaged in training personnel, consultations on methods of warfare and participating in the planning of military operations in the armed forces of other states.
              In some cases, both could directly participate in battles with the enemy.


              What other "fenders"? These are soldiers of the Soviet Army. The conscripts who were not laid off in reserve, and after a couple of decades suddenly decided to go to war. My father was in Egypt at the end of the 60s, and not as a “fellow worker” living on a civilian and inflamed with hatred for world imperialism, but as a career officer in the Soviet Army.
    5. Scoun
      Scoun 14 February 2018 13: 19
      +13
      Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Something long waited with a refutation

      And why should they immediately rush at everything, that is, any "source" like Vasilieva makes a throw-in and the Foreign Ministry immediately refutes it?
      Imha.
      1. The blow was.
      2. There are dead from the Russian Federation.
      But then it started .... and this is the first indicator of desa
      1. The United States media is exaggerating and exaggerating this topic without letting it subside.
      2. Having reached a certain limit, questions already begin to be asked to Peskov.
      3. Yes, if there were so many victims ... then the United States would try to put out this topic and Russia (at least) had the right to demand an apology and compensation and raise a noise that the United States was not invited by the aggressor and generally everything would be quietly decided among diplomats.
      1. KonoGon
        KonoGon 14 February 2018 13: 23
        +3
        Quote: Scoun
        The United States would try to put out this topic and Russia (at least) had the right to demand an apology and compensation and raise a NOISE
        But nothing that there are records of Russian officials officially declaring to an official request that "ours are not there"?
        1. Loess
          Loess 14 February 2018 13: 33
          +3
          Maybe when they said ours were not there? Or were they talking about "yours"?
          1. KonoGon
            KonoGon 14 February 2018 13: 36
            +2
            Your
            Your
            . officially declaring Russian no. So they said. who then bury? It is not clear. D-30 howitzers were not there either. Your deeds are wonderful.
            1. woron333444
              woron333444 14 February 2018 14: 45
              +5
              Where are they buried? When are they buried?
        2. Scoun
          Scoun 14 February 2018 14: 38
          +2
          Quote: KonoGon
          Quote: Scoun
          The United States would try to put out this topic and Russia (at least) had the right to demand an apology and compensation and raise a NOISE
          But nothing that there are records of Russian officials officially declaring to an official request that "ours are not there"?

          But nothing that is unofficial and is created in order not to answer officially and nothing that parts are not official, maybe a task is given from official or unofficial so that some official could not know about this in kind?
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 14 February 2018 15: 08
            +2
            Quote: Scoun
            But nothing that is unofficial and created in order not to respond

            This is not about you https://ficbook.net/authors/690175?show=about?
      2. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 14 February 2018 13: 24
        +9
        Already reached 500, so they lowered the barrier.
    6. seti
      seti 14 February 2018 13: 31
      +2
      Yes, a video refutation is even on the Ukrainian channel Muraev ..
    7. Father of a Soldier
      Father of a Soldier 14 February 2018 13: 32
      +16
      When, after an air strike, we are instantly, accurate to the size of our boots, talking about the number of killed militants, and in the territory under control they cannot count the dead among their own or allies for four days, which leads to strange thoughts.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 14 February 2018 15: 11
        0
        Quote: Soldier's father
        and in the controlled territory

        Excuse me, but do you consider the territory controlled by the Pentagon controlled?
        (hesitate, the US no longer controls the Pentagon)
        And then something does not work ...
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    9. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 14 February 2018 17: 47
      +2
      Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Something long waited with a refutation

      and the Americans didn’t rush to upload the videos ... and the laid-out video does not correspond to the scale of the declared defeat with hundreds of victims .... and it’s finally not clear who was injured and what really was in reality !!! request request request
  2. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 14 February 2018 13: 03
    +2
    Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov urged journalists not to be guided by erroneous information amid reports of the deaths of Russians in Syria. The representative of the Kremlin said this, answering the question about the possibility of introducing mourning from the events in the province of Deir ez-Zor.

    “We still urge you not to be guided by erroneous information and take seriously the description of such potentially important episodes so as not to be captured by distorted data,” Peskov commented.

    Earlier, the Kremlin called for not using media reports as the primary source of information about the fate of Russians in the Arab Republic. They also noted that all incoming data still needs to be checked. Horseradish radish is not sweeter, but still at least something answered.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 14 February 2018 13: 08
      +7
      Well. And when did he say that? On what day? And what if the attack on the country? Will we wait for confirmation and concern?
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov urged journalists not to be guided by erroneous information amid reports of the deaths of Russians in Syria. The representative of the Kremlin said this, answering the question about the possibility of introducing mourning from the events in the province of Deir ez-Zor.

      “We still urge you not to be guided by erroneous information and take seriously the description of such potentially important episodes so as not to be captured by distorted data,” Peskov commented.

      Earlier, the Kremlin called for not using media reports as the primary source of information about the fate of Russians in the Arab Republic. They also noted that all incoming data still needs to be checked. Horseradish radish is not sweeter, but still at least something answered.
      1. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 14 February 2018 13: 15
        +1
        And what else can you hear from him? He’s not a military man, no one will share information with him. Everything will be clear, then he will blurt out something. By the way, last year, fate brought Putin with a former press secretary, Alexei Alexeyevich Gromov, on a fishing trip Alone, and without security, though with a friend But I couldn’t communicate. He was already leaving.
        1. Flatter
          Flatter 14 February 2018 18: 42
          +1
          “And what else can you hear from him? He is not a military man, no one will share information with him”
          His ex-wife lives in France, could ask her.
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 14 February 2018 18: 50
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        Well. And when did he say that? On what day? And what if the attack on the country? Will we wait for confirmation and concern?

        firstly, when attacking a country you will hear sirens !! request request soldier soldier soldier secondly, do not wait for excuses for every fake !! fool fool wassat wassat wassat
    2. Father of a Soldier
      Father of a Soldier 14 February 2018 13: 11
      +16
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov urged journalists not to be guided by erroneous information amid reports of the deaths of Russians in Syria. The representative of the Kremlin said this, answering the question about the possibility of introducing mourning from the events in the province of Deir ez-Zor.

      “We still urge you not to be guided by erroneous information and take seriously the description of such potentially important episodes so as not to be captured by distorted data,” Peskov commented.

      Earlier, the Kremlin called for not using media reports as the primary source of information about the fate of Russians in the Arab Republic. They also noted that all incoming data still needs to be checked. Horseradish radish is not sweeter, but still at least something answered.

      I always believe in Peskov, especially the phrase "we do not have information."
  3. win
    win 14 February 2018 13: 03
    +3
    Fear has big eyes belay
  4. Graz
    Graz 14 February 2018 13: 05
    +9
    and nevertheless, a lot of sources report the deaths of about 20 people from PMCs, including Prilepin confirmed that his colleague in the DPR unit was killed in this incident in Syria, a GRU retired captain
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 14 February 2018 13: 09
      +1
      Well, the news clearly says that it’s about hundreds - a fake. I also think that 10-20, well, maybe 30 people. A week has passed, there is access to information on 6 names. That's all I dig in the internet. And I dug a lot. In any case, these are our people, but here they decided to make a sortie without notice to the MO, probably for money, they are also mercenaries. Once again I repeat - this is my opinion, which I have been forming for 4 days. Here.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 14 February 2018 13: 35
        +9
        Quote: Muvka
        In any case, these are our people, but here they decided to make a sortie without notice to the MO, probably for money, they are also mercenaries.

        Strictly speaking, PMCs are prohibited by law in the Russian Federation; accordingly, the MO will not recognize the dead not only as subordinates, but as citizens of the Russian Federation in general.
        I do not see any fundamental difference between the mercenaries, both from our side and from the enemy. "Soldiers of fortune" a priori stake their lives against money and most likely the contract clearly states what will happen if the mercenary dies.
        I know two guys who served in the French Foreign Legion, both fought in Africa, after 5 years of contract, became French citizens.
        Here is a good review
      2. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 14 February 2018 13: 53
        +6
        Quote: Muvka
        but here they decided to make a sortie without notifying the MO

        After all, they confirmed this to you in Moscow Oblast?
        Quote: Muvka
        probably for the money, they are also mercenaries

        and why didn’t you write about them when exactly these warriors took the Crimea into our hands and protected the Donbass? .... are they patriots there? and here are the mercenaries !! you are completely lost
    2. zhekazs
      zhekazs 14 February 2018 13: 14
      +7
      Quote: Graz
      however, many sources report

      Only for some reason, the search engines return sites from the .ua domain upon request - it’s typical, isn't it? This is the question of shelling a column under DeZ.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 14 February 2018 13: 52
        +6
        Quote: zhekazs
        Only for some reason, the search engines return sites from the .ua domain upon request - it’s typical, isn't it? This is the question of shelling a column under DeZ.

        The fact is that we have this info under the heading. he is not there.
        Do you know that two Wagner commanders were awarded the title Hero of Russia?
        1. zhekazs
          zhekazs 14 February 2018 14: 18
          +5
          Quote: Stroporez
          Do you know that two Wagner commanders were awarded the title Hero of Russia?

          No, I didn’t. We have
          Quote: Stroporez
          -This info is under the bar.

          Therefore, it does not make sense to speculate what happened under the DEZ; there is no confidence in taming, ours, the official ones, will not provide the entirety of the information, after all, under the bar. Maybe we'll find out someday.
          Quote: Stroporez
          PMC is, but officer. he is not there.

          Recently, here at the VO there was a discussion about the official recognition of PMCs in the Russian Federation, a lot of opinions were expressed both for and against ... But if the “private owners” of Heroes are awarded, this already makes you think, it may be worth giving the MO authority to contract with such structures without publicly disclosing such relationships.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 14 February 2018 14: 28
            +6
            Quote: zhekazs
            . Maybe we'll find out someday.

            The fact is that in addition to the dead, there were also wounded who are already giving interviews, there are already in YouTube.
            Quote: zhekazs
            But if, “private traders” are awarded Heroes, this already makes us wonder, maybe it is worth giving the Moscow Region authority to contracts with similar structures without disclosing such relations to the public.

            You yourself have answered and therefore are silent!
            But in the information world, you can’t hide the sewing in a bag. Graz has already posted Prilepin’s article on fighters.
            So, it’s just that they don’t “write” to Wagner. But in general, people risk their lives, because there’s no work here. There was infa that they pay 500 greens a day, but I can’t confirm or refute. hi
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      1. Graz
        Graz 14 February 2018 13: 18
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        Prilepin spoke about a colleague who died in Syria

        The writer and political instructor of one of the DNR militia battalions, Zakhar Prilepin, confirmed the death of retired GRU captain Igor Kosoturov in Syria, who went to the Arab Republic from Donbass.

        “To avoid false conversations, one more victim in Syria - retired GRU captain Igor Kosoturov really served in our battalion. Kosotur was his call sign, ”Prilepin wrote on Facebook.

        He described Kosoturov as “abnormally calm,” adding that he did not remember “people with a similar degree of equanimity.”

        “For the stubborn, one must probably explain that he did not serve in the GRU anymore - he was retired, and he did what he knew how to do best in life: he fought. Many of us from Donbass leave for Syria, then come back and serve here again, a common thing, ”Prilepin emphasized.

        newspaper Glance
        1. antiamerikan
          antiamerikan 14 February 2018 13: 30
          +1
          and no answer
    4. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 14 February 2018 18: 52
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      Quote: Graz
      and nevertheless, a lot of sources report the deaths of about 20 people from PMCs, including Prilepin confirmed that his colleague in the DPR unit was killed in this incident in Syria, a GRU retired captain

      recourse recourse turns into girkina ??? !!! what what fool fool fool
  5. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 14 February 2018 13: 09
    +7
    But immediately it was impossible to go out and clearly say?
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 14 February 2018 15: 30
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      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      But immediately it was impossible to go out and clearly say?

      About what? or what?
      It was immediately said that there were Syrian pro-government militias in the area, they did not report intentions and clashes.
      The question of whether there were dead on their part was gently circumvented. So they do not confirm their dead. Reported civilians and militants in the tribe - a supporter of the "Kurds" (Americans).
      And yet, yes, the negotiations there are very indirect, unhurried, they do not care about the excitement of our "analysts." But you still need to agree on a personal familiarization of the consular service (that is, with your own eyes to look at the already buried).
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    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 14 February 2018 13: 27
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      Show your wife.
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  8. antiamerikan
    antiamerikan 14 February 2018 13: 28
    +1
    and what? believe mid?
    1. KonoGon
      KonoGon 14 February 2018 13: 50
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      Quote: antiamerikan
      and what? believe mid?
      Read polynkov. Magazine.
    2. cedar
      cedar 14 February 2018 13: 54
      +5
      Believe your wife and there will be happiness.
  9. ochakow703
    ochakow703 14 February 2018 13: 51
    +5
    It seems that everything is right, and our Foreign Ministry paused for the right one. It confuses three things - on what basis do Americans attack positions where (even) Russians are supposed to be. The second - why so far no one! He has not officially announced the illegal presence of coalition troops there, the UN should be inundated with statements up to the seventh floor. And the third - why the conscience of the dead Russian volunteers (And they are the VOLUNTEERS) is enough with a dirty word - mercenaries. And this word dangles in the state media in the front pages.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 14 February 2018 14: 55
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      In fairness, not a position. On the contrary, the Syrians attacked with ours. And these are not volunteers. These are mercenaries. They fight for good money. And the company itself birch orders for money. These are the mercenaries.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 14 February 2018 16: 36
      +2
      Quote: ochakow703
      And the third - why the conscience of the dead Russian volunteers (And they are the VOLUNTEERS) is enough with a dirty word - mercenaries.

      Well, with such a former "volunteer", today they posted the interview, you can’t hide the sewn in the bag

      I can only say one thing, “Wagner” is cannon fodder, and they are not particularly reckoned with losses when performing tasks.
      - What are the guarantees that you will not be tried in Russia for mercenarism?
      - There are no guarantees that all former employees of the Wagner Group will not be sent to prison for mercenaries. But while I live in peace.
      - What are the terms of the contract?
      - The terms of the contract were prescribed separately. As mentioned above, the salary amount is 240 thousand rubles. per month. Plus, in the event of death, compensation in the amount of 5 million rubles was paid. to relatives. https://www.nakanune.ru/articles/113700/
  10. Odysseus
    Odysseus 14 February 2018 14: 59
    +9
    Assessment of Mikhail Polynkov after communicating with the wounded.
    1. This was not PMCs in the general sense of the word. People signed a contract with the Euro Policy campaign and went on civilian specialties, like locksmiths, surveyors, topographers, and so on.
    2. The operation involved three assault squads. "Spring" - the former "Carpathians", which consisted of residents of Donbass and the Russians who took part in the hostilities in the Donbass. 2nd detachment and 5th. Not authorized companies of 121 people, but assault squads. The staff of each of them is 350 people. Each of their units had their own equipment, such as snows in the Urals and the BRDM. An armored group with T-72 tanks and an artillery division from M-30 also participated in the operation. They promised air defense cover, but he was not there. There were practically no local members of the column. Directly stormed objects "Spring". The 2nd and 5th detachments stood in a convoy on the approach, waiting for a command. Almost immediately after the start of the assault, shelling began. There was no connection for a long time. The source says that the mortars of the 120s but could be wrong. Then there was a rocket bomb. The accuracy of the hits is unbelievable. In front of the source’s eyes, the rocket hit the BRDM. At about four in the morning, the remains of the column were ironed by a turntable. At the exit, the remnants of the units again covered with a missile and bomb strike. Only one tank reached the crossing from the entire armored group. The art division all remained there. One calculation had a hit directly in BC.
    3. The source says about the losses that more than two hundred people died from his squad. And this is considering the fact that his detachment did not take part in the assault. On this basis, I easily believe in the number of 600 dead.
    4. There were many boards with the wounded. They brought not only to Moscow and Moscow Region, but also Peter and Rostov. We must pay tribute. The evacuation was prompt (in which they were brought therein) and the treatment was at a high level.
    5. About the photo and video. Everyone who signed the contract is a strict ban on shooting. Smartphones install a special program that blocks the recorder and camera.
    1. dnestr74
      dnestr74 14 February 2018 15: 32
      +2
      Sounds like the truth.
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 14 February 2018 15: 38
      +5
      How can a detachment lose more than 200 people if it did not participate in the assault? Tell me. So I'm sitting at home, also did not participate in the assault and did not die. As for the cameras, do local residents turn them off too? Another question, why do not such programs be put to our military? Fools? Why are constantly photos from the phone with Hmeimim appear? And the last - why are there names of only 6 people?
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 14 February 2018 16: 20
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        Quote: Muvka
        How can a detachment lose more than 200 people if it did not participate in the assault?

        Did you pay attention to the first line? Once again, the assessment of Mikhail Polynkov. So ask him. Fortunately, there is one Banderovets / Vlasovets under the nickname sogdy who has already posted his data. Or go to the wounded hospitals in traumatology.
        From my point of view, just on flat terrain and in the composition of the column, losses could be greater than those of people who directly came into fire contact and somehow took refuge.
        But this is the opinion of the wounded man that Polynkov spoke to. He may be mistaken. You should know that the assessment of an ordinary soldier participating in the battle may be wrong. He only knows what is said before him and what others are telling him.
        Quote: Muvka
        So I'm sitting at home, also did not participate in the assault and did not die.

        Very funny. Subscribe to a contract, go to Syria, and then we will laugh at your corpse and speak out.
        Quote: Muvka
        Regarding the cameras, do local residents turn them off too?

        At the local fighters? HZ, maybe there is. But no one will take off their corpses, a maximum of the funeral (I remember you already wrote about this). If you mean the Kurds, then they could only photograph the burnt equipment and if these videos are there, then the Americans have them.
        Quote: Muvka
        And the last - why are there names of only 6 people?

        Already 8. Will gradually emerge. And these are only those who are associated with any parties or famous people, or people with very brave relatives. For example, one of the dead National Bolsheviks, respectively, here the authorities are powerless to prevent publicity.
        Well, of course, they will do everything possible so that there is no publicity. Actually when they sign the contract, these issues are discussed.
        But once again I repeat, the exact number of deaths, at the moment, is unknown.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 14 February 2018 16: 23
          0
          Name everything 8. I really only found 6. If not difficult, with links.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 14 February 2018 18: 19
            +5
            Quote: Muvka
            Name everything 8. I really only found 6

            Alexey Ladygin-Ryazan, Stanislav Matveev and Igor Kosoturov-Asbestos of the Sverdlovsk Region, Vladimir Loginov-Kaliningrad, Igor Ananyev-Moscow, Ruslan Gavrilova-the village of Kedrovoye, Sverdlovsk Region, Shikhov Alexey-Nizhny Novgorod, Vladimir Kalsigin-Kharkov. Maybe I missed something, but so far, it seems, thank God, that's all.
            Once again, my opinion, the losses of 500-600 are overstated, this can’t be. And what I care about in this story is not losses (as it’s not bitter, but you won’t return people),
            1) The answer to the Americans.
            2) The punishment of those responsible for the inconsistency of actions (this is, to put it mildly).
            PS By the way, judging by the Pentagon’s briefing, they used F-15Es, MQ-9s, B-52s, AC-130s and AH-64 Apaches. I can hardly believe that it was spontaneous. They probably had information about the alleged attack.
            PPS The offensive itself is absolutely correct, the question is how it was done.
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 14 February 2018 18: 59
              +1
              Thank. I also think that a person is 10-20, from a strength of 30. 200 I think are overpriced. And as for the answer, we ironed Syria much more; it is not known how many Amer mercenaries and instructors destroyed.
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 14 February 2018 19: 08
              +1
              Quote: Odyssey
              Maybe I missed something, but so far, it seems, thank God, that's all.

              Colleague, here's a video caught .... look. hihttps://youtu.be/wAVkond7FmE
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        3. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 14 February 2018 18: 57
          +1
          Quote: Odyssey
          Quote: Muvka
          How can a detachment lose more than 200 people if it did not participate in the assault?

          Did you pay attention to the first line? Once again, the assessment of Mikhail Polynkov. So ask him. Fortunately, there is one Banderovets / Vlasovets under the nickname sogdy who has already posted his data. Or go to the wounded hospitals in traumatology.
          From my point of view, just on flat terrain and in the composition of the column, losses could be greater than those of people who directly came into fire contact and somehow took refuge.
          But this is the opinion of the wounded man that Polynkov spoke to. He may be mistaken. You should know that the assessment of an ordinary soldier participating in the battle may be wrong. He only knows what is said before him and what others are telling him.
          Quote: Muvka
          So I'm sitting at home, also did not participate in the assault and did not die.

          Very funny. Subscribe to a contract, go to Syria, and then we will laugh at your corpse and speak out.
          Quote: Muvka
          Regarding the cameras, do local residents turn them off too?

          At the local fighters? HZ, maybe there is. But no one will take off their corpses, a maximum of the funeral (I remember you already wrote about this). If you mean the Kurds, then they could only photograph the burnt equipment and if these videos are there, then the Americans have them.
          Quote: Muvka
          And the last - why are there names of only 6 people?

          Already 8. Will gradually emerge. And these are only those who are associated with any parties or famous people, or people with very brave relatives. For example, one of the dead National Bolsheviks, respectively, here the authorities are powerless to prevent publicity.
          Well, of course, they will do everything possible so that there is no publicity. Actually when they sign the contract, these issues are discussed.
          But once again I repeat, the exact number of deaths, at the moment, is unknown.

          did you see the vidos that the Americans posted and dubbed it the devastating blow ??? what what wassat wassat wassat
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 14 February 2018 16: 42
        +4
        "How can a detachment lose more than 200 people if it did not participate in the assault? Tell me" ///

        Is it even necessary to explain such simple things? recourse
        Not all together in a bunch go to storm.
        Part is attacking, part is being deployed at the time,
        in transport or on foot columns.
        They covered from the air those who were on the way. They have the biggest losses.
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        2. nemec55
          nemec55 14 February 2018 20: 04
          +2
          Strange you type
          Yes, and if there were losses, but you smile
          judging by this
          rodus
          Party

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          then they drove you here and asked who?
          Who screaming soberly about so many victims? Even if they are, let’s say I don’t tear my shirt proving. But you have become such people on the site as dirt
          Who you are ?
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        1. sogdy
          sogdy 14 February 2018 16: 17
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          So it’s the sayings of such people are generated by "peacekeepers". Didn’t you notice?
          The performance of immediate work implies the immediateness of the personality. Otherwise, the work cannot be performed. That's the practice.
          And yes, in such cases, the enemy has the most complete data. Same practice. But their reliability is a completely different issue.
          But it’s incriminating to no difference.
          And yes, we protect the country and the state, and the "regime" is established by civilians.
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        1. nemec55
          nemec55 14 February 2018 20: 07
          0
          And again you and again prove something to someone
      3. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 14 February 2018 16: 45
        +1
        Hey comrade, who allowed you to publish personal data ?! fool
        Article 137 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Privacy Violation
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        2. sogdy
          sogdy 14 February 2018 21: 36
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          Quote: Stirbjorn
          Hey comrade, who allowed you to publish personal data ?! fool
          Article 137 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Privacy Violation

          Did you decide to find someone according to the Peacemaker? What parallel reality do you live in?
          But fellow accuser Odysseus pierced. As, however, and the great analyzer.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 14 February 2018 22: 41
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            Quote: sogdy
            But fellow accuser Odysseus pierced. As, however, and the great analyzer.

            music played for a short while laughing
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  11. Separ
    Separ 14 February 2018 17: 22
    +5
    In response, we are waiting for all sorts of “200 seals” there.
  12. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 14 February 2018 19: 26
    0
    "The United States attacked Russian mercenaries with strategic bombers." - Now on "Rambler" such news hangs.
    https://news.rambler.ru/world/39145046-v-52-atako
    vali-rossiyskih-naemnikov-v-sirii /? utm_source = hea
    d & utm_campaign = self_promo & utm_medium = news
    & utm_content = news
  13. Russia we
    Russia we 14 February 2018 22: 13
    +2
    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation reported allegedly “hundreds of Russian citizens killed in Syria” fake.
    Here I am, this Americanism of yours is simply enraging. Why do you take their American words, do you have any Russian words? Pray already on these US words, take them, forgetting your Russian! Here, instead of the American word "fake", correctly and correctly write-Russian words are a lie, a hoax. And you need to write correctly
    In the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, reports of allegedly "hundreds of Russian citizens killed in Syria" were called fake.
    ,but
    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation reported allegedly “hundreds of Russian citizens killed in Syria” cheating, lying.

    I, a Belarusian, need to teach you the Russian language or something ??? A shame...
    And, I have a very good question: why do the Russian mass media in the Russian Orthodox Church in Russia not be punished for disseminating knowingly false information, that is, in fact, for giving false testimonies ??? What the hell is this ??????? Do you-in your mind not-react at all ??? You must force these media outlets to refute their false information, ask for forgiveness from the country and the people, and then punish them for disseminating false information!
    1. iljael
      iljael 15 February 2018 12: 00
      0
      If the case is referred to the court for knowingly false information, then witness attorneys will find there unless of course how Kvachkov does. So it is not profitable, at least for now.
  14. POLITROLL
    POLITROLL 15 February 2018 06: 41
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    In vain, Amjya el-murid splashed diarrhea in the wind, and Their Noble Girkin, interrupting himself, mournfully reported about hundreds of two hundred, increasing fatal losses with each line, referring to "secret unnamed sources." Have an endurance, gentlemen, so that you do not fall into the heat of the heat
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  15. Russia we
    Russia we 15 February 2018 15: 06
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    Quote: iljael
    If the case is referred to the court for knowingly false information, then witness attorneys will find there unless of course how Kvachkov does. So it is not profitable, at least for now.

    Fight with traitors and enemies and with a lie, FAVORABLE ALWAYS!
  16. Russia we
    Russia we 15 February 2018 16: 18
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    Quote: iljael
    Fight with traitors and enemies and with a lie, FAVORABLE ALWAYS!

    Fight with traitors and enemies and with a lie, FAVORABLE ALWAYS!
    What are the lawyers ??? Are you out of your mind? -The lawyers will protect the liars and those who deliberately water the mud of Russian Orthodox Christians, Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian ?? - Send the birch bark of these lawyers along with these liars to Solovki.