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On the verge of war: PMCs of Wagner under the fire of “Ganship”

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A number of domestic media reports of heavy losses suffered by the Russian private military company in Syria. According to these publications, the number of dead is estimated in tens, and even hundreds.


On the verge of war: PMCs of Wagner under the fire of “Ganship”


It is reported that on February 7, in the province of Deir ez-Zor, American artillery dealt a targeted blow to the 5th detachment of the PMC Wagner, which was on the march, after which it finished off the remaining columns aviation coalitions, including helicopters and AS-130 ganship.

The sources of this information include posts in social networks and messages from several bloggers, including the leader of the January 25 Committee, Igor Girkin, as well as a transcript of a record on which two unknown people discuss the losses incurred.

Official Russian sources do not confirm this information. Acknowledging the fact of the attack of Americans on the government forces of the SAR, representatives of the Defense Ministry reported that there were no Russian military personnel at the scene of the incident.

"The militiamen were subjected to" sudden shelling from mortars and MLRS, after which helicopters of the US-led "international coalition" attacked them, the agency said. “As a result of the shelling, Syrian militiamen were injured by 25,” the Defense Ministry said.

However, the PMC officers are not servicemen, and the defense ministry representatives never reported on their losses.

Note that during the war in Syria, similar incidents have already taken place. Thus, according to a number of Iranian, Western and Russian media reports, the 20 September 2016 of the year the Caliber missile launched from a Russian ship destroyed the operational control office of Syrian terrorists, which included about 30 instructors from the US, Italy, Great Britain, Turkey, Saudi Arabia , Qatar and Israel.

This accurate strike was Russia's response to the bombing of US Air Force aircraft by the US Air Force in support of attacking terrorists in the province of Deir ez-Zor.

It was not only retribution, but also a warning, the designation of the "red line".

The Americans and their allies were silent then. And not only due to the fact that the destroyed bunker was located in the territory controlled by the Dzhebhat an-Nusra organization banned in the Russian Federation (cooperation with which would have to be acknowledged), but also because official recognition of these losses would have required reciprocal steps which Washington was not ready for.

There were no statements by the Russian side either - the hint was made and understood, and it was not worth it to further aggravate the situation.

Several times, American instructors operating in the Kurdish detachments of the People’s Self-Defense came under fire from the Turkish special forces and Ankara-controlled formations. It is assumed that among the Americans there were losses. But in these cases, official statements were not followed.

However, the current situation in this, which has become customary, the scheme does not fit. The American media almost immediately announced that the fighters of the Russian PMC were in the "retaliatory strike zone of the international coalition".

CBS News, citing a representative of the Pentagon, announced that the Russians were among the Syrian militia that had been hit. Moreover, according to the source, the citizens of Russia, together with the militias, did not intend to attack the Americans and the "Syrian Democratic Forces", but planned to take control of the territory of the refinery.

The channel emphasizes that in case of confirmation of the information, these are the first Russians killed by the US armed forces in Syria.

Similar messages are heard on other American resources, and suggest that it is quite clear that the task of the US military was precisely a blow to the Russian fighters. And this is not just a “warning” fire, called to mark the “frontier” and call for an end to the offensive. Those forces that were reportedly involved - MLRS, F-15s, F-22, AC-130, and Apache helicopters bluntly indicate their intention to make the enemy a real meat grinder.

At the same time, as we see, representatives of the Pentagon themselves admit that the irregular Syrian formations (and, perhaps, the Russian PMC fighters) did not threaten them or their allies, but intended to take control of the refinery.

In the light of this, what has happened seems to be quite a conscious provocation, deliberately creating a casus belli. Moreover, the fact that representatives of the military department talk about this in the media may mean that Russia is purposefully driven into a corner, seeking a response from it for the sake of "saving the face".

It may well be that the Americans are not sure that among the victims of their attack there are Russians, or even know that they are not. But they are striving to get the maximum propaganda effect from the current situation - to demonstrate to their fellow citizens their ability to resolutely repulse Moscow, and to try to undermine the position of Vladimir Putin, who is “not able to answer for the dead fighters,” before the presidential election. After all, it is in this vein that many opposition bloggers and media in Russia are covering the incident in Deir ez-Zor.

Moscow still keeps silence, choosing the most suitable place and time for "otvetka". Which, no doubt, will follow regardless of whether the Russians, or "only" the Syrians, died from American bombs and shells.

Washington is playing on a “rate hike,” and in no way can it yield to it.
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  1. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 12 February 2018 07: 24
    +70
    A number of domestic media reports ........? What is this series? Which has the ears of the US State Department sticking out? Or this is an information war. In which VO is participating, by the way.
    1. svp67
      svp67 12 February 2018 08: 11
      +46
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      A number of domestic media reports ........? What is this number?

      These are those who chase after the “Chernukha” and print this “news” on yellow paper, therefore they are called YELLOW PRESS.
      There are losses among PMC employees, but not so huge. And the Americans, in vain, did it and the "answer will fly", not in Syria, so in Iraq, not in Iraq, so in Afghanistan, not there in Libya ... on the globe, unfortunately there are many places where "ji-ai" smoked air. One thing I’ll say is that she won’t be ambulance, but she will be without fail, now let them go and are afraid
      1. bane's jacket
        bane's jacket 12 February 2018 08: 26
        +24
        Quote: svp67

        There are losses among PMC employees, but not so huge.

        How do you know this?
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 12 February 2018 11: 00
          +4
          because - "Vayna bez paterer ne happens!"
          1. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum 12 February 2018 12: 11
            +33
            Dear! Well, why the term "PMC"?!
            We do not have PMCs, neither legally, nor factually. There are citizens of the Russian Federation who are contractors of private military companies registered and operating abroad.
            Why not call a spade a spade?
            Why then did the MTR and the term itself be created, no one thought? What would the COO at PMCs change when publishing? And why did the President's Decree on classifying losses (any, at least military, at least not military) be issued if PMCs, and not MTRs?
            Even in the USSR, they did not hesitate to call the specially coined term “advisers” (our military personnel!).
            What are we shy / afraid of?

            Why not "a group of advisers under the command of a senior adviser with the call sign" Wagner ""? And citizens of foreign countries have the right to serve with us, if that.
            1. svp67
              svp67 12 February 2018 15: 07
              +3
              Quote: Pax tecum
              Well, why the term "PMC"?!

              Yes, because it is more clear to everyone. And once again explain that this company is not legally Russian, but is registered there and there, but only Russian-speaking citizens are accepted into it, this is a long time, and PMCs are understandable to everyone.
              Like in the fleet, you say "destroyer" and something is already clear about the ship, and this is considering that there are no ships with that name in other fleets
              1. Pax tecum
                Pax tecum 12 February 2018 15: 59
                +10
                Oh how! Substitution of concepts? What for? Why? For what purpose?
                Each PMC has title and reporting documents, like a commercial organization and legal address, and other attributes ...
                Where is this so-called PMC Wagner? In which country?
                Why no one saw them in our age of high technology?
                Usually such data is publicly available.
                And the Russian Federation (or the Russian Ministry of Defense) hired (???) her and all the contractors signed up for non-disclosure?
                What, many really think so ?!

                Your conclusions, rather, from the category of technology "window of opportunity Overton", the initial stage is already there, it remains to be dragged through the State Duma ...

                And, here is the fact that these are ordinary contract soldiers, most likely foreign Russian-speaking citizens, maybe. It is even legally permitted.
                Or, as it was during the time of Chechen companies, they were quite legally hired through military registration and enlistment offices.
                What for these games in conspiracy theories?
                1. Pax tecum
                  Pax tecum 12 February 2018 16: 43
                  +11

                  What the hell are PMCs? There are Special Operations Forces and this Decree, which even the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation recognized as legal.
                  Can you imagine the officials of law enforcement agencies who simply violate the law on state secrets by disclosing information in the media?
                  And, in this document, the name, composition of forces, means are also classified as state secrets ...
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 12 February 2018 16: 54
                    +3
                    Quote: Pax tecum
                    Can you imagine the officials of law enforcement agencies who simply violate the law on state secrets by disclosing information in the media?

                    I can...
                    1. Pax tecum
                      Pax tecum 12 February 2018 17: 01
                      +28
                      Do not smack nonsense with this picture! Obviously, you don’t even have a clue what a stamped document is, how it is received, and under what conditions they work with it.
                      And what is the punishment for non-compliance with at least one of the many paragraphs of the requirements of the order for secret document management.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 12 February 2018 17: 25
                        +4
                        Quote: Pax tecum
                        Obviously, you don’t even have a clue what a vulture document is, how it is received, and under what conditions they work with it.

                        I know perfectly well, so at one time, “under the banners” had far from the lowest tolerance and retired my five non-visiting years, honestly “served” if you understand what this is about. And I also perfectly understand when such information “leaks”, and obviously intentionally, it’s “not easy”
                      2. Igool
                        Igool 12 February 2018 17: 26
                        +14
                        That's right. The picture in the photo is not even a document for official use, not to mention what is classified as secret or top secret.
                    2. insular
                      insular 13 February 2018 02: 22
                      +4
                      Quote: svp67
                      Quote: Pax tecum
                      Can you imagine the officials of law enforcement agencies who simply violate the law on state secrets by disclosing information in the media?

                      I can...

                      This is probably document C? Although no, most likely even OB! wassat
                      But in fact, not even chipboard ...
                      1. Pax tecum
                        Pax tecum 13 February 2018 08: 01
                        +8
                        Most likely, this is the usual presentation in the folder. What is, like something, not a typical binding method for a vulture document.
            2. bane's jacket
              bane's jacket 13 February 2018 07: 54
              +2
              Quote: Pax tecum
              Dear! Well, why the term "PMC"?!

              Because it is precisely a private military company. Not state.
              We do not have PMCs, neither legally, nor factually.

              In fact, just there. Therefore, they want to legitimize them.
              Mikhail Emelyanov, the first deputy chairman of the lower house committee on state-building and legislation, said on Wednesday that a bill would be submitted to the State Duma that would legalize the activities of private military companies in Russia.
              http://www.mk.ru/politics/2018/01/17/legalizaciya
              -chastnykh-voennykh-kompaniy-konflikt-s-ugolovnym
              -kodeksom.html


              Why then did the MTR and the term itself be created, no one thought?

              Special Operations Forces is the official structure of the RF Armed Forces. PMCs - illegal immigrants whom you can always refuse (and refuse, as now in Syria).
              Why not "a group of advisers under the command of a senior adviser with the call sign" Wagner ""?

              Once again - because they seem to not officially exist. "Ihtamnet."
              1. Andrey K
                Andrey K 13 February 2018 08: 51
                +7
                Quote: bane jacket
                ... PMCs - illegal immigrants whom you can always refuse (and refuse, as now in Syria) ...

                Are you a PMC specialist? We do not have them (yet), you are a country made a mistake.
                So what is sticking out here and throwing manure on the fan?
                They themselves composed, the proofs themselves demand. They found a job for everyone.
                Do not moonlight fake.
        2. Nick
          Nick 12 February 2018 19: 56
          0
          Quote: bane jacket
          Quote: svp67

          There are losses among PMC employees, but not so huge.

          How do you know this?

          Really. There were no official statements on this subject. In general, it is not a fact that there were losses to the Russian PMCs. Of course, they are not registered as military personnel, but still citizens of Russia. Amer is unlikely to consciously go for this.
        3. Valery Saitov
          Valery Saitov 13 February 2018 06: 17
          +3
          You then how it became known?)))
          And you look and read the reports of the Moscow Region and it turns out that our people carry out retaliation operations ... 20-30 dead people (count from drones), and no one counted immediately after the bombing ... 200-215 people died only from PMCs and another 50 -100 (what’s the scatter) of the militias. And why not evenly? And if we take into account that according to the statistics of the war, the losses during short-lived skirmishes make up about 20% of the dead, 35-40% of the wounded, and 40% unscathed, then the squad was about 1 Thousands of PMC fighters and 500 militias. And most importantly they all stood in one heap or something? A real fake and propaganda.
          1. Nosgoth
            Nosgoth 13 February 2018 13: 38
            0
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCR7VyG9080
      2. Kent0001
        Kent0001 12 February 2018 10: 40
        +6
        Somehow childish and not at all scary your comment sounds ...... like a promise then to respond to the insult of a bully from the sandbox.
        1. svp67
          svp67 12 February 2018 15: 11
          +1
          Quote: Kent0001
          Somehow childish and not at all scary your comment sounds ...... like a promise then to respond to the insult of a bully from the sandbox.
          Are you an employee of American PMCs or JI? Are you afraid of anything?
          This "business" does not say goodbye, otherwise the "business" can be lost. The "answer" will be, in any form ... both of direct impact, and in the form of not providing timely assistance when they VERY need.
          1. Nosgoth
            Nosgoth 13 February 2018 13: 43
            +1
            Yes, there will be nothing. These are all your fantasies. Once again, "swallow" and do not choke.

            A label PMCs for Wagnerites is not very suitable. We do not have a law on full-fledged PMCs and are unlikely to be. This is not a private office, but a state one, only, so to speak, outside the structure of the official armed forces. Like, "it's not ours, it's some kind of contractors", but the leadership (setting goals / contracts) 100% goes through the Ministry of Defense.
            1. passerby5
              passerby5 13 February 2018 18: 27
              0
              So essno task setting will go from the 1st center. Otherwise, it’s not even partisans but a gang, Makhnovism, etc. here you didn’t discover America
      3. Samaritan
        Samaritan 12 February 2018 10: 59
        +8
        I heard about 12 dead:
        About twelve Russians who died in Syria, allegedly fighters of the Wagner PMC, told Radio Liberty with reference to a woman familiar with Roman Zabolotny captured by ISIS.

        There is no official confirmation of this information. But the experts we interviewed, including officers from the Ministry of Defense who returned from a special mission to Syria, and the Wagnerites who participated in the first release of Palmyra, and then Aleppo, were not at all surprised by the twelve “200 cargoes.”
        https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2017/10/09/7
        4125
        Here is the Fontanka investigation http://www.fontanka.ru/2017/08/18/075/:
        Ivot what the "Ukrainians" write can read under the video something like this: ... "this is some kind of holiday" ...:
        1. Bosch
          Bosch 12 February 2018 13: 06
          +24
          Can Radio Liberty, as well as Voice of America, Voice of Israel and Echo of Moscow, be considered a source of genuine information? They always poured slush on our Motherland.
          1. Nick
            Nick 12 February 2018 20: 01
            +6
            Quote: Bosch
            Can Radio Liberty, as well as Voice of America, Voice of Israel, and Echo of Moscow, be considered a source of true information?

            That's it! These are not sources of information, but means of propaganda! There is no information there, there is propaganda.
          2. Petr1968
            Petr1968 14 February 2018 17: 27
            +1
            Quote: Bosch
            Can Radio Liberty, as well as Voice of America, Voice of Israel and Echo of Moscow, be considered a source of genuine information? They always poured slush on our Motherland.

            What media sources in our country are responsible not for propaganda, but for reporting the truth ... they were intriguing.
        2. faradien
          faradien 13 February 2018 02: 49
          +4
          This is all fake. I read the refutation, there were no Wagner PMCs there, and the names and surnames of the alleged victims were taken from other places. Another lie under the election, only the yellow press and buzzing. fool No.
          1. Nosgoth
            Nosgoth 13 February 2018 13: 45
            +5
            And I read that Wagnerites generally do not exist in nature - this is all the tales of the enemies. Yes, and the United States does not exist, there is no life beyond the ocean, and reptilians drew a map of the world.
            1. Petr1968
              Petr1968 14 February 2018 17: 29
              +1
              Quote: Nosgoth
              And I read that Wagnerites generally do not exist in nature - this is all the tales of the enemies. Yes, and the United States does not exist, there is no life beyond the ocean, and reptilians drew a map of the world.

              And the Earth is flat !!! I look out the window and see its edge! And stands on three elephants !!! I’m saying for sure ... we won’t believe any liberals who say the opposite !!!
              1. Vasya Vassin
                Vasya Vassin 15 February 2018 21: 35
                0
                A small correction, if you don’t mind, in general, the picture of the world is correct, but the Earth is not on elephants, on camels. When camels shake with humps, an earthquake occurs
            2. faradien
              faradien 15 February 2018 18: 59
              +1
              Well, today Zakharova officially announced that 5 Russian citizens may have died, Their citizenship is being clarified.

              Quote: Nosgoth
              ... there is no life beyond the ocean ...


              I agree tongue laughing
      4. kapitan92
        kapitan92 12 February 2018 13: 41
        +13
        Quote: svp67
        There are losses among PMC employees, but not so huge.

        There is no and will not be information in the official media. The losses are serious, about 215 - irretrievable. Received a video from colleagues - the fact of the destruction of the column, the frames are not hospitable.
        They sent "squeeze" the factory - squeezed !? fool
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 12 February 2018 14: 38
          +10
          Quote: kapitan92
          There is no and will not be information in the official media. The losses are serious, about 215 - irretrievable.
          Yeah. The media do not know a damn thing, the Defense Ministry does not comment, Peskov knows nothing, but "kapitan92" in the subject knows everything. According to Stanislavsky - "I do not believe." Why duplicate what is not confirmed and clearly pulls on a deliberate "dumping shit"?
          1. Felixsoft
            Felixsoft 12 February 2018 15: 39
            +7
            In addition to sand and defense mines, there are a lot of other sources of information.
            1. Nulgorod
              Nulgorod 12 February 2018 18: 11
              +7
              Which are overwhelmingly controlled by our enemies. Or simply: the "yellow press".
            2. CooL_SnipeR
              CooL_SnipeR 12 February 2018 18: 18
              +3
              Quote: Felixsoft
              In addition to sand and defense mines, there are a lot of other sources of information.

              Well, yes, I don’t argue, grandmothers near the entrance tell in the second form, and gypsy fortune tellers are probably of special importance
            3. passerby5
              passerby5 13 February 2018 18: 30
              +1
              and what is the percentage of fake guns?
          2. kapitan92
            kapitan92 12 February 2018 18: 40
            +11
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Yeah. The media do not know a damn thing, the Defense Ministry does not comment, Peskov knows nothing

            Mr. Nyrobsky! Moscow Region comments on its losses to 45 people. De jure PMCs in Russia are illegal.
            Peskov knows, but will be silent, the elections will be soon, because the Commander-in-Chief informed EVERYONE - we won. 10.02. “Boys” from Rostov sent me a video, they sent me a video, “removed” the mattresses no worse than ours, and comments of PMC employees, with casualties.
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            According to Stanislavsky - "I do not believe."

            It's your problems!
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Why duplicate what is not confirmed and clearly pulls on a deliberate "dumping shit"?

            Wait for confirmations from the Moscow Region or from Peskov - the flag is in your hands. laughing
            About the "stuffing", but why ??? The fact that we were filled with a face is a fact. Big losses are a fact. In addition to small arms, the "Wagnerites" had nothing, MANPADS by "state" were not put. We went to squeeze the factory - squeezed! Americans "hollowed", knowing whom they beat, knowing that there would be no answers, elections sir. hi
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 12 February 2018 20: 24
              +7
              Quote: kapitan92
              Moscow Region comments on its losses 45 people

              Moscow Defense Ministry reports that the Russian military did not suffer losses. They were not there at all. About the Syrians - yes, the numbers were voiced. Since when did Assad's losses become equal to the losses of the Defense Ministry? You lied, sir, and from scratch
              Quote: kapitan92
              "boys" to me from Rostov, they sent me a video via Watsap, "remove" the mattresses not worse than ours

              Well, where is it, the video shot by the mattresses? Classified?
              What do you have, besides heart-breaking writings on the topic "I am writing a letter from the boot of a murdered comrade", "from a burning tank", "I am not the source, but they say." Where is the evidence other than someone’s words? Grandmothers on the bench also say a lot of things (look, Mitrofanna, they’ve gone again, they’ll listen to music! Addicts, I’m just saying it! Look, Matveevna, Che has dressed up since the second, huh? those cross!)
              Quote: kapitan92
              About the "stuffing", but why ???

              so you yourself answered this question:
              Quote: kapitan92
              election soon
              1. kapitan92
                kapitan92 12 February 2018 21: 03
                +5
                Quote: Gregory_45
                Moscow Defense Ministry reports that the Russian military did not suffer losses. They were not there at all. About the Syrians - yes, the numbers were voiced. Since when did Assad's losses become equal to the losses of the Defense Ministry? You lied, sir, and from scratch

                Comrade Gregory! You, read, are anything but VO. 45 is the figure of the dead, which was voiced by the Ministry of Defense since the beginning of the "peacekeeping" mission. fool

                Quote: Gregory_45
                What do you have besides heart-breaking writings on the subject "I am writing a letter from the boot of a murdered comrade," "from a burning tank," "I am not the source, but they say." Where is the evidence other than someone’s words? Grandmothers on the bench also say a lot of things (look, Mitrofanna, they’ve gone again, they’ll listen to music! Addicts, I’m just saying it! Look, Matveevna, Che has dressed up since the second, huh? those cross!)

                I have my own opinion, which was formed on the basis of the info I received.
                I am very glad that you voiced yours. hi
            2. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 12 February 2018 20: 27
              +6
              Quote: kapitan92
              10.02. “Boys” from Rostov sent me a video, they sent me a video, “removed” the mattresses no worse than ours, and comments of PMC employees, with casualties.
              Well, what did you see there? Convoy of 7 pieces of equipment, of which 1 armored personnel carrier + 4 Urals + 2 pickups? Well, cram in 4 Urals these 215 “irrevocable” + wounded + lucky ones. And so what? - they packed more of a battalion in 4 Urals !!!? If this is a company, then what battalions does Wagner have? Given the fact that the Wagnerites work in collaboration with local Aborigines, they also traveled in these 4 Urals. Damn, in the PMC probably gain midgets. It was 50-60, then 150, you threw 215, 600-700 have already been counted on other resources.
              Quote: kapitan92
              The fact that we were filled with a face is a fact. Big losses are a fact.
              So far, these facts have been taken from the ceiling. Dill, too, "in fact" our divisions destroyed more than mosquitoes in the taiga, but they did not provide a single confirmation.
              Quote: kapitan92
              In addition to small arms, the Wagnerites had nothing; MANPADS were not deployed by state.
              It all depends on what kind of combat mission was set. If necessary, it can be understaffed with attached fire weapons not provided for in the state. They walked calmly. If three hundred meters before the "factory" did not dismount and did not turn into battle formation, it was not because of the "suckers", but because they were sure that there would be no slaughter. The usual mattress trick, for which they have to answer.
              Quote: kapitan92
              About the "stuffing", but why ???
              That's because there is a little month left before the election. Resonance is needed. Now something will be graduated on February 25, during the dance of the opposition on the bones of Nemtsov.
              1. kapitan92
                kapitan92 12 February 2018 21: 07
                +4
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                That's because there is a little month left before the election.

                And it is right! Stay with your opinion, it is always welcomed. hi
              2. passerby5
                passerby5 13 February 2018 18: 34
                0
                Well, for this surname (well, or for memory's sake) there is a lot of honor.
              3. w70
                w70 16 February 2018 07: 32
                0
                Americans felt the soil, realized that we can be wet like kittens, now they will unfold in full
            3. Odysseus
              Odysseus 12 February 2018 21: 07
              +3
              Quote: kapitan92
              Big losses are a fact

              Is it really more than 200? This is a star, comrades. I confess I did not believe in such irrevocable ones. There were no shelters? Even if the fighters caught the column, they immediately disperse and leave on whatever they can.
              Quote: kapitan92
              MANPADS by "state" are not put

              It infuriates the most. Who sends the assault convoy against pro-American militants without air defense equipment. For such things you need to take off your head!
              1. kapitan92
                kapitan92 12 February 2018 21: 25
                +5
                Quote: Odyssey
                Quote: kapitan92
                Big losses are a fact

                Is it really more than 200? This is a star, comrades. I confess I did not believe in such irrevocable ones. There were no shelters? Even if the fighters caught the column, they immediately disperse and leave on whatever they can.
                Quote: kapitan92
                MANPADS by "state" are not put

                It infuriates the most. Who sends the assault convoy against pro-American militants without air defense equipment. For such things you need to take off your head!

                «
                Well, if everyone in the net thinks that “we have some relation to the Wagner PMC, then they may be partly right. We are not going to be silent! We already wrote, we did not believe ...

                But, unfortunately, the data were confirmed!

                REALLY, in Syria, when the convoy of our guys approached the positions of the Kurds to attack their positions in order to capture some objects that the United States had long had their eyes on, as well as the Kurds, the column WAS ALMOST DELETED ...

                The number of 200s is VERY large, so many guys are NOT identifiable ... At first, Arta worked, they completed the “turntables”. They struck at the front and in depth .. Our personnel did not even have time to dismount.

                "Here they are," new technologies "..."

                Girkin (Shooter) has nothing to do with it - these are OUR sources. No need to quote it.

                We are "dancing on the bones", as he has on the page and like him, DO NOT arrange!

                WE SORRY .... "

                The column, consisting of fighters of PMC Wagner, fighters of the MTR of the Russian Federation and units of the SAA, was on the march when they made an artillery raid and then underwent the finishing off of the coalition air force. Having no air defense means, the pro-government forces could not counteract the coalition’s Air Force, as a result of which the convoy was routed, and the coalition’s helicopters finished off the surviving units for several hours.

                As a result of this clash, the fifth detachment of PMC Wagner was practically destroyed, the Syrian units of ISIS Hunters suffered heavy losses. About ten units of armored vehicles were destroyed, and the casualties exceeded a hundred.

                Thirty fighters of the ISIS Hunters Syrian unit have passed the funeral today, which clearly does not match the statements of the Russian Defense Ministry that fifteen militias were injured during the clash.

                Why are the US Air Force bombing government forces in a foreign country with impunity, why the Russian Defense Ministry is so inarticulate in responding to such egregious acts of aggression, for what purpose was the attack carried out and why did units that had been under fire for more than an hour still not receive support from the Russian Aerospace Forces? There is no answer to these questions, but in the coming days more and more new facts and details of this situation will emerge.

                http://www.pravda-tv.ru/2018/02/11/343274/v-hode-
                3-h-chasovoj-ataki-ssha-rossijskaya-chvk-vagnera-
                ponesla-samye-bolshie-poteri-za-vsyu-istoriyu-svo
                ego-prisutstviya-v-sirii
              2. Giants
                Giants 12 February 2018 23: 47
                +2
                Odyssey, here's a video, true or not - you decide
                https://youtu.be/R1tS0VlqdZo
                1. Cananecat
                  Cananecat 13 February 2018 01: 08
                  +5
                  if you watched videos from the war in Africa before, you could determine what kind of conflicts you made, I can point out three of them that have nothing to do with Syria ...
                2. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 13 February 2018 02: 16
                  +6
                  Quote: Giants
                  here is the video, true or not - you decide

                  Fake of course. A gluing of several pieces that are not related to the events of February 7. The destruction of the Turkish "Leopard" refers to the Syrian conflict. The executions of human figures from the Apache are Iraq and Afghanistan, famous videos. The mess is utter. If all the "evidence" of such a plan is something bad, the fake throwers ... and those who believe - even worse (but with their heads). Really could not collect from fragments that had not previously hit the network?
                3. antishefff
                  antishefff 13 February 2018 15: 47
                  +1
                  I played this toy, cool)))) and also a video with an explosion of the Turkish tank in the subject)))
              3. Airman
                Airman 16 February 2018 15: 47
                +1
                Yes, that’s all! They sent me these messages today and, in addition to the video from the thermal imager, they crushed the column! In the 5th company of 200-215 200s !!! What kind of company is this if it has 200-215- 200s, it means that not the whole l / s of the company was knocked out? So the company itself is even bigger? So it’s already a battalion !!! 4 Urals, 2 UAZs, and one armored personnel carrier! Where did all this extras get in? Direct tented Urals hits, and yet no one dismounts, although the first blow was on the armored personnel carrier! Everyone goes silently and waits for them to be covered! A bunch of people, after direct hits on the cars! It’s like they were born an explosion! Cars explode more than once, turn over, and then people start running out of them !!! Further, people ran away in a crowd in one direction: from the column. To the full height !!! Something somehow does not fit. Either not a video, or not a video at all, or noodles for everyone and on many ears!
          3. Sibrusich
            Sibrusich 13 February 2018 08: 17
            +5
            This top-secret PMC has such a level of secrecy that only third-rate sites are aware of its operations. This PMC is so classified that it only gives the yellow press an interview. Do you remember People in Black? There they read the latest news about aliens only in the yellow press. So PMC "Wagner" this is a substitute for aliens.
            1. nov_tech.vrn
              nov_tech.vrn 13 February 2018 14: 07
              +4
              not only that, it is an 80-level secrecy, "invisible", they are not visible in crowded hospitals, graves cannot be found, the wounded are transferred through portals directly to hospital beds
          4. Petr1968
            Petr1968 14 February 2018 17: 31
            0
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            The media do not know a damn thing, the Ministry of Defense does not comment, Peskov knows nothing,

            Does not comment does not mean does not know. And since when do MOs and Sands tell EVERYTHING ??? You are confusing something, dear ...
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 14 February 2018 19: 56
              +2
              Quote: Petr1968
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              The media do not know a damn thing, the Ministry of Defense does not comment, Peskov knows nothing,

              Does not comment does not mean does not know. And since when do MOs and Sands tell EVERYTHING ??? You are confusing something, dear ...
              No, well here KAANESHNA "kapitan92" in comparison with them, deserves more trust. Isn’t it, dear?
          5. Vasya Vassin
            Vasya Vassin 15 February 2018 21: 37
            0
            And who is this your Peskov such to tell the truth? Before him, Hawk admired how the half-dead corpse ebn shakes hands tightly, right up to the crackle in the bones.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 15 February 2018 22: 23
              +3
              Quote: Vasya Vassin
              And who is this your Peskov such to tell the truth? Before him, Hawk admired how the half-dead corpse ebn shakes hands tightly, right up to the crackle in the bones.

              Well, how would you understand Vasya more clearly ....... Sands, like the others listed, can not represent the truth of first instance .... From the word in general. Simply, they, in comparison with Vasya, or me, are much better informed due to the availability of information sources that are in the immediate vicinity of the place where these unfortunate events took place. The trick is that Vasya Vasyanin went to this pasture not in order to carry the truth, but in order to amuse his vanity and pour impurities on his neighbors, which are essentially his genetic copy. Someday Vasya Vasyanin will understand this, but it will be too late. Dill stinky grass, and no matter how he dressed up under the basil or under mint, it will still stink with dill.
        2. Nick
          Nick 12 February 2018 20: 03
          +6
          Quote: kapitan92
          The losses are serious, about 215 - irretrievable. Received a video from colleagues - the fact of the destruction of the column, the frames are not hospitable.
          They sent "squeeze" the factory - squeezed !?

          Stop ringing.
          1. kapitan92
            kapitan92 12 February 2018 21: 08
            +6
            Quote: Nick
            Stop ringing.

            These are all arguments! I wish you the same! hi
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 12 February 2018 22: 24
              +8
              Quote: kapitan92
              These are all arguments!

              these are not arguments, namely zvezdezh. Sucked not even from a finger is not a priori argument. At least for an intelligent person.
              Just think about it, a quote from your own link: "200 people of the 200s in one company." Is it 200s in one company? There are also wounded and alive. What kind of company is this more than 200 snouts? And there were such mouths, as follows from the text, as many as 5 pieces. This is a thousand at least. The regiment turns out. Where have they come across with such a code? And do you believe this nonsense? Well, to carry nonsense - do not toss bags
              Sincerely glad that this only your subjective opinion
              1. kapitan92
                kapitan92 12 February 2018 22: 36
                +4
                Quote: Gregory_45
                these are not arguments, namely zvezdezh. Sucked not even from a finger is not a priori argument. At least for an intelligent person.

                Comrade Gregory 45! If you look at a few posts above, you can read my link.
                I always enjoy dialogue with smart people like you. hi
                Quote: Gregory_45
                Sincerely glad that this is only your subjective opinion

                I would like that too!
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 12 February 2018 23: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: kapitan92
                  If you look at a few posts above, you can read my link

                  If you are careful in reading the comments, then take away that the quote I quoted is just from your link
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  quote from your own link: "200 people of the 200s in one company"

                  I just commented on it:
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  Is it 200s in one company? There are also wounded and alive. What kind of company is this more than 200 snouts? And there were such mouths, as follows from the text, as many as 5 pieces. This is a thousand at least. The regiment turns out. Where have they come across with such a code? And do you believe this nonsense?

                  Careful need to be, sir captain)
                  And essentially zero again. It is quite expected. On that and decide that you have no arguments. hi
                  1. kapitan92
                    kapitan92 12 February 2018 23: 15
                    +5
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    Careful need to be, sir captain)

                    You remind me of soap that slips out of your hands. laughing
                    Well, God be with you, it's hard to "show the blind, tell the deaf"
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    And essentially zero again. It is quite expected. On that and decide that you have no arguments.

                    http://www.pravda-tv.ru/2018/02/11/343274/v-hode-
                    3-h-chasovoj-ataki-ssha-rossijskaya-chvk-vagnera-
                    ponesla-samye-bolshie-poteri-za-vsyu-istoriyu-svo
                    ego-prisutstviya-v-sirii
                    I copied my link to you, at your leisure, read it.
                    Here's another, listen, you can from the 3rd minute to the end.

                    I will not convince. Chesslovo is not interesting! All the best! hi
                    1. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 13 February 2018 01: 41
                      +4
                      Quote: kapitan92
                      You remind me of soap

                      and you remind me of a rubber product. It seems to you clearly already answered (twice) - you turned around and that’s why. I got acquainted with your link, and just quoted from it. Bullshit, not a link. The one who wrote it, it seems, was not even in the army. Will you tell me where, in which army is the company headcount of more than 200 people?
                      Although, as I understand it, this question will once again remain unanswered. You cannot catastrophically think, all abilities are to throw on the fan. Because really - not interesting.
                      Quote: kapitan92
                      hard to "show the blind, tell the deaf"

                      and to teach a fool only to spoil. Have a nice one you too hi
                      1. XXXIII
                        XXXIII 13 February 2018 01: 46
                        +5
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        Will you tell me where, in which army is the company headcount of more than 200 people?
                        and the crowd run without a compass ... laughing
                      2. 113262a
                        113262a 15 February 2018 01: 11
                        0
                        For the inattentive, 5 companies were completely destroyed, partially 3 both the artillery battery and the armored group. Count?
        3. Giants
          Giants 12 February 2018 23: 41
          +3
          Quote: kapitan92
          The losses are serious, about 215 - irretrievable.

          Yes, I just watched the video of the defeat of the column. This is a complete tryndets. And it was at this time that the Supreme Commander-in-Chief disappears so inappropriately, according to Peskov, allegedly he was sick. In the same way, he disappeared at the beginning of May 2014, when there was a need for decisive action.
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      5. AA17
        AA17 12 February 2018 14: 36
        +3
        Dear svp67. This is sad, in Russia there are PMC employees, as you put it. So in Russia PMCs will soon be legalized. Roughly speaking, these are "mercenaries." Mercenaries are used in "predatory" wars in foreign territories, in which the concerned state tries not to advertise its participation. And since in Russia the power is in the hands of the capitalists, the Russian PMCs express the interests of large Russian capital. It’s a pity the dead Russian guys.
        P.S. "... The definition of a mercenary is formulated in Article 47 (2) of the first Additional Protocol [2] to the Geneva Conventions, signed in 1977. A mercenary is a person who:
        specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in armed conflict;
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        takes part in hostilities, guided mainly by the desire to obtain personal gain, and which in fact was promised by the party or on behalf of the party to the conflict, material rewards significantly exceeding the rewards promised or paid to combatants of the same rank and functions included in personnel of the armed forces of a given party;
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        not included in the armed forces of a party to the conflict;
        not sent by a state that is not a party to the conflict to fulfill duties as a member of its armed forces ... "
        "... International humanitarian law (or the law of armed conflict [4]) does not directly prohibit mercenary activity, but merely means that mercenaries are not combatants and do not have the right to prisoner of war status. This means that the mercenary risks being involved in criminal responsibility for participating in an armed conflict, if captured, and the conditions of detention in this same captivity also do not apply to him ... "
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 12 February 2018 18: 52
          +4
          Quote: AA17
          Mercenaries are used in "predatory" wars in foreign territories, in which the concerned state tries not to advertise its participation

          This is already very outdated. The United States, for example, is actively using its PMCs in all conflicts, along with regular units. Do not you think that this is fundamentally contrary to your statement? It’s just that sometimes it is economically more profitable for the state to hire someone to perform certain functions than to solve problems on its own. It pays for the services, and all the rest lies on the shoulders of the commander of the group of mercenaries. Where can I get the pup, where is the transport, where are the weapons, and so on. The military command has an order of magnitude less problems. You can entrust a lot - at least guarding convoys, delivering goods, attracting specialized specialists (UAV operators, electronic warfare, instructors), etc. PMCs operate in conjunction with the army, and not in its place.
          Modern PMCs are a much more complex phenomenon than mere mercenary
          1. Electric
            Electric 13 February 2018 10: 15
            +1
            I agree. Former conscripts who have nothing to do in the civilian world, if they are risky and lucky, there is every chance to get up in PMCs. And if something is wrong with them, and luck passed by and the bullet did not fly close by, then the state will not stay in the way ....
            This is very good - no one is fighting under duress. There is employment in the profile of training, there are defended interests of the state. We give pendal to the bourgeoisie so that the pugs and their hawalis do not especially scatter us. Solid pluses.
            And to read morality about mercenarism - as it is not modern, it remained in the past together with the USSR .... By the way, it was immoral to drive goldfinches in the ranks of the SA into the territory of Afghanistan, and there would have been enough PMCs lacking at that time.
            On the Syrian issue, this is quite clearly visible.
          2. Astapan
            Astapan 13 February 2018 19: 10
            0
            Quote: AA17
            Mercenaries are used in "predatory" wars in foreign territories, in which the concerned state tries not to advertise its participation
            This is already very outdated. The United States, for example, is actively using its PMCs in all conflicts, along with regular units.
            1. Astapan
              Astapan 13 February 2018 19: 11
              0
              All conflicts in which the United States takes part, by definition, do not refer to the term "war of conquest."
        2. Nick
          Nick 12 February 2018 20: 05
          +1
          Quote: AA17
          AA17

          All your letters, to the last, are utter nonsense.
      6. 73bor
        73bor 12 February 2018 17: 27
        +6
        And of course, hundreds of dead, and why not thousands !?
    2. pilot8878
      pilot8878 12 February 2018 10: 46
      +9
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      A number of domestic media reports ........? What is this series? Which has the ears of the US State Department sticking out? Or this is an information war. In which VO is participating, by the way.

      What does the State Department’s ears or other parts have to do with it? The fact of deliberate destruction of guys took place to be. Our sworn neighbors there on this occasion generally have a coven with rituals.
      We will wait for an answer from our side. Wagner, after all, did not take it on his own from dampness.
      It is the fact of the Americans' persistent begging for starfish that is alarming in itself. Why do they need a new BIG war?
      1. gaura
        gaura 12 February 2018 13: 28
        0
        Why do they need a new BIG war?

        And besides, they do not like to fight themselves, they always want to set someone up. And here themselves and not hiding. Very atypical
        1. Antianglosax
          Antianglosax 12 February 2018 14: 28
          +9
          Quote: gaura
          Why do they need a new BIG war?

          And besides, they do not like to fight themselves, they always want to set someone up. And here themselves and not hiding. Very atypical

          So sure that there will be no answer. What, in fact, I have no doubt. Why should this episode be something different from three hundred others, when the Yankees only indistinctly expressed concern for the raids and cattle? Before that, we were just crawled across the table with our faces, and now they are dipping a point.
          1. gaura
            gaura 13 February 2018 05: 19
            +2
            Well, you are in vain so. If you so want to openly fight the Americans, you can, say, go to Iraq. And the whole country does not need to be pushed for it. In the quiet of their advisers hollowed and hollowed at the bases of fighters.
      2. zoolu350
        zoolu350 12 February 2018 18: 09
        +7
        Yes, the owners of the Fed do not need a big war because they lose in it the most - PARADISE LIFE and ABSOLUTE POWER over the world. And this episode is just the next in a series of “descent” by the Fed owners of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, as in the case of Su-24,25, Embassies, Olympiads, etc. for they KNOW THERE WILL NOT BE ANSWERS. And now three senior individuals of the Russian oligarchy crawl in front of the Fed owners on their stomachs and beg them not to inflate this episode informationally, because this will negatively affect the rating of the hired manager of the Russian oligarchy before the elections.
      3. Giants
        Giants 12 February 2018 23: 58
        +4
        Quote: pilot8878
        Why do they need a new BIG war?

        But there will be no war. Putin’s gut is thin, and the partners know this. Just do not think that I am writing this with mockery. Putin poboku me, but the homeland-she is alone.
    3. Samaritan
      Samaritan 12 February 2018 10: 51
      +10
      Such news should be divided in two and checked thoroughly, and given the "love" of VO for Strelkov, then there are some questions ...
      Here is what Strelkov thinks of Syria as a whole:
      1. Electric
        Electric 13 February 2018 10: 16
        +3
        But what does Strelkov solve in Syria? something depends on him to talk about what does not depend on him there
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        1. Siberia 9444
          Siberia 9444 12 February 2018 11: 30
          +1
          https://cont.ws/@kemerunec/850077 вот разоблачение разбитой колонны Вагнера hi
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 12 February 2018 11: 34
      +9
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      . In which VO participates among other things.

      And inform war is a component of hybrid warfare. And journalists are now at the forefront, however, like all forum users here expressing their point of view.
      What's on the topic ... I don’t think that Wagner’s PMCs exist at all, not that someone bombed them there. All data on this PMC are hypothetical. Moreover, the sources that provide this data are also strange and not credible.
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 12 February 2018 13: 15
        +3
        Quote: NEXUS
        PMC Wagner

        That's certainly not the MTR ...
        They say that those who were asked from the Donbass ... Do not forget that in Russia there Article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation! 1. The recruitment, training, financing or other material support of a mercenary, as well as its use in armed conflict or military operations -
        is punished by imprisonment for the term from four up to eight years with restriction of freedom for up to two years or without it.

        Participation of a mercenary in an armed conflict or hostilities -
        shall be punished by imprisonment for a term of three to seven years with restriction of freedom for a term of up to one year, or without it.

        I do not think that Wagner PMCs exist at all
        A little about them from Strelkova:
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 12 February 2018 14: 30
          +3
          Does everyone remember the story of the arrest of the guys from the Slavic Corps?
          Yes, and about the Donbass. The State Duma, if anyone remembers, promptly introduced the term "volunteer" in order to level the disposition of Article 359 of the Criminal Code in relation to volunteers.
        2. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 12 February 2018 15: 28
          +2
          Quote: Samaritan
          Quote: NEXUS
          PMC Wagner

          That's certainly not the MTR ...
          They say that those who were asked from the Donbass ... Do not forget that in Russia there Article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation! 1. The recruitment, training, financing or other material support of a mercenary, as well as its use in armed conflict or military operations -
          is punished by imprisonment for the term from four up to eight years with restriction of freedom for up to two years or without it.

          Participation of a mercenary in an armed conflict or hostilities -
          shall be punished by imprisonment for a term of three to seven years with restriction of freedom for a term of up to one year, or without it.

          I do not think that Wagner PMCs exist at all
          A little about them from Strelkova:

          what what Have you recently noticed that shooters are a very poor source ??? laughing laughing laughing he turned into a very disgusting person ... I won’t be surprised if he soon goes over to the side of Ukrainians !!!! request laughing laughing laughing
          1. Good cat
            Good cat 12 February 2018 16: 03
            +6
            Perhaps Girkin has been reverted already. Triple agent powdery brains. That is an ordinary blogger.
      2. Sam
        Sam 12 February 2018 20: 16
        +3
        And who did Putin award in the Kremlin in 2017?
    6. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 12 February 2018 12: 22
      +4
      Therefore, desa is rushing, for there is no information of ours, neither from the Defense Ministry, nor from military correspondents, they are silent, for that the enemy is desolating and everyone is listening. The MO’s approach is wrong, and the loss of the information war is complete, and the info war has become no less deadly ...
      1. Nulgorod
        Nulgorod 12 February 2018 18: 14
        +6
        MO carefully thinks through every step. Have you forgotten the case with a screenshot from the game in the official report?
    7. Vincent
      Vincent 12 February 2018 12: 23
      +11
      I agree one hundred percent. Dragin Dragin to pull the cool, purely for the sake of boiling shit and cheat rating and attendance. Well and light up as the next information source rampostranyayuschih fakes.
    8. Feldscher
      Feldscher 12 February 2018 13: 27
      +5
      The fact that this is a fake has long been taken apart.
      And the media reports are not domestic, but those that celebrate two holidays at once on March 21.
      Domestic reports on the losses of the Hunters and Assad troops.
      Just imagine for a second what would happen if our column were destroyed.
      It’s better not to find a reason for 3MV
    9. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 12 February 2018 15: 21
      +3
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      What row is this?

      hard to guess or what ??? what what matzo’s ear, dozh, komers and a similar shnyaga + shooters got out of one garbage can and crawled closer to these garbage cans !!! yes wassat wassat lol lol lol
    10. Felixsoft
      Felixsoft 12 February 2018 15: 31
      +2
      Which ears of the US State Department stick out or what?
      In R.F. There is not a single independent SIM. And those media that have partial foreign financing are "foreign agents" and the "ears of the State Department" in them are visible only to you.
      And by the way, give an example of such media.
      1. Witsapiens
        Witsapiens 12 February 2018 18: 43
        +5
        Well, yes, Bloody Tyranny, KGB agents around. And in the USA, for example, all media are "independent", freedom of speech, nya.
    11. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 12 February 2018 16: 30
      +1
      BUT PSAKING !!!!!
    12. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 13 February 2018 12: 52
      0
      Alerts in the media begin, 6 dead have already been identified by name, with the dates of death. As always, the government and the RF Ministry of Defense have “thrown” our people ... There are no words to express anger to these nits from the government and the Ministry of Defense ...
    13. Maz
      Maz 14 February 2018 21: 08
      0
      Even if we assume that this nonsense is true, then the answer will be on all echelons and countries. Specialists do not forgive such frauds. They will just disappear suddenly. fall under cars, etc.
    14. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 17 February 2018 13: 51
      +1
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      A number of domestic media reports ........? What is this series? Which has the ears of the US State Department sticking out? Is this an information war.In which VO participates among other things.

      Moreover, judging by this article, filed without any explanation and placed in the section "Analytics", and not "Opinions", is on the side of the State Department. Maybe the authorities overlooked, maybe consciously. I really want to - because of a lack of oversight, still my favorite site ...
    15. Viking
      Viking 17 February 2018 18: 01
      0
      Moreover, the further there is more on the side of the enemy. Moderators do not moderate such a feeling at all, not only the discussion branches, but even the laid out material.
  2. antiamerikan
    antiamerikan 12 February 2018 07: 24
    +10
    like this
    "partners" put 200 Russians
    or maybe more

    and no answer
    1. Romulus
      Romulus 12 February 2018 07: 36
      +33
      Quote: antiamerikan
      "partners" put 200 Russians

      Where does the figure come from? Or so, wind the rating?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 12 February 2018 07: 42
        +12
        Or so, wind the rating?
        This pointless question, also a rating?
        1. Romulus
          Romulus 12 February 2018 13: 07
          +5
          Quote: Gardamir
          this pointless question

          Leonid unexpected from you, such insulting words)) hi
          Comments based on OBS - stopudovo for rating .. comrades downstream are also puzzled ..
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 12 February 2018 16: 14
            +2
            such offensive words))
            Well, sorry. Only for these events, all of us need to keep quiet, because there is no exact data yet.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 12 February 2018 17: 45
              +4
              Quote: Gardamir
              Because there is no exact data yet.

              Exactly. But they will not be, because “our” government pays PMC for that, so that they would remain silent if that. It's a shame.
      2. antiamerikan
        antiamerikan 12 February 2018 07: 46
        +8
        write on different contacts

        and I am inclined to believe them ... or at least to allow the very possibility that it is true

        and the fact that there will be no answers - so mattresses are the same "partners"!
        1. svp67
          svp67 12 February 2018 08: 06
          +26
          Quote: antiamerikan
          write on different contacts

          On fences and benches the same thing is written a lot .... and you believe that?
          1. antiamerikan
            antiamerikan 12 February 2018 08: 12
            +7
            in this case, it just sounds believable
            1. svp67
              svp67 12 February 2018 08: 21
              +18
              Quote: antiamerikan
              in this case, it just sounds believable

              For whom is believable? For those who are not in the subject? But didn’t they bother to find out what forces “musicians” usually operate in?
              1. midivan
                midivan 12 February 2018 09: 20
                +17
                Quote: svp67
                But didn’t they bother to find out what forces “musicians” usually operate in?

                Why work then, on rambler in the same comments write -
                Maxim Suvorov

                11.02.2018/17/02 At XNUMX:XNUMX
                .
                Black days have come at the gas station. They didn’t bring “200” from Syria, but new ones were added.
                On February 8, American troops destroyed a convoy of Russian mercenaries, numbering, according to various estimates, from 300 to 500 people, with tanks, artillery and light armored vehicles, which was sent to capture oil fields in the Syrian region of Deir ez-Zor. Asadovskoe news agency and the Russian Ministry of Defense confirmed the fact of an attack by American forces on a convoy near the city of Deir ez-Zor in Syria. Also, information about the battle was confirmed by the US Department of Defense.
                This is exactly where the An airplane collided with a helicopter. request Ur.ods write, and the rest are spread to the masses, here are the rumors from which the earth is full.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 12 February 2018 15: 14
                  +6
                  Quote: midivan
                  Ur.ods write, and the rest are spread to the masses, here are the rumors from which the earth is full.
                  It’s not just “Urody”, but “Urody" who receive money for such "news". You just think that our "foreign partners" got a "bunch of small" information and Internet units, and even a lot of money was allocated for "informational resistance". That's not all. The closer March 18, the more and more dirty the news flow will be.
                  1. midivan
                    midivan 12 February 2018 18: 27
                    +3
                    Quote: svp67
                    You just think that our "foreign partners" got a "bunch of small" information and Internet units, and even a lot of money was allocated for "informational resistance".

                    Not just, divorced tvare.y a lot of corrupt people, they will sell their mother, the only question is price.
            2. kenig1
              kenig1 12 February 2018 08: 51
              +5
              Reported by "ridus" ru, do you believe them?
            3. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 12 February 2018 10: 07
              +32
              Quote: antiamerikan
              in this case, it just sounds believable

              Credible pictures of a crushed column? Undoubtedly, the incident took place, there were losses, and considerable. But when you are shown proof for Photoshop gluing from a Martian landscape with traces of a rover and a defeated brigade near Zelenopolis,



              it makes you think about the "reliability" of the sound from the other side, as well as about "more than 600 only" two hundredths, when there weren’t so many people there at all. There is an information war and sketches being conducted, and of such quality (designed for blockheads) that it’s as if everything to believe (“it sounds believable”) is at least stupid. Alas, our Defense Ministry once again went on the defensive, and it’s very beneficial for the “partners” to inflate everything and everyone. By doing this they kill two birds with one stone - they try to overshadow our pilot’s feat, push back him into the background (they say, look, the Russians don’t only iron guys who shoot back from the bearded and undermine themselves with a grenade, but also “despicable mercenaries” whom we crush as much, where and when we want), and the elections on the nose - they say, “in Syria, Russian guys are killed, and Putin does nothing ! Where is the answer? Why are we even stuck in Syria? It would be better if they gave money to pensioners (orphans, sick deputies)! Down with Putin, withdrawal of troops from Syria! After all, we “have already won”. Even here we will meet similar statements.
              However, to believe or not is everyone's business. The whole point is only in the weight of evidence - one is enough inscriptions on the fence, the second needs serious, reinforced concrete arguments
              Over time, of course, everything will resolve, the truth will become clear. But the darling from the leaked sewage, thanks to the outlines, will still remain.
              1. mac789
                mac789 12 February 2018 14: 52
                +3
                I am worried about another question. Why did they move without mobile air defense? Not a single one of Willow Arrows or Needles, but even ZSUShki on the shishig was not.
                1. 113262a
                  113262a 15 February 2018 01: 21
                  0
                  It is precisely because of this that they do not give out, except the Moscow Defense Ministry, to anyone, so that they don’t roll for an hour something from the coalition of sov. or holocausts. MANPADS banned
            4. weksha50
              weksha50 12 February 2018 10: 45
              +11
              Quote: antiamerikan
              in this case, it just sounds believable


              Then you need to believe in the Belarusian Sea-Okiyan, the Rostov mountains and that the ancient Black Sea dug out the Black Sea ... laughing
          2. Ural resident
            Ural resident 12 February 2018 11: 34
            +5
            What is written on fences and benches has never been a lie.
            There is pure truth in its pristine nature.
          3. sergo1914
            sergo1914 12 February 2018 14: 48
            +6
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: antiamerikan
            write on different contacts

            On fences and benches the same thing is written a lot .... and you believe that?


            They believe in rock art. This is one of its varieties. I believe in what is written on fences and benches. If it says "Vitya - LOKH" then, most likely, this Vitya is really a goof. And if a three-letter word is written on the fence, this does not mean that the phalluses are storing it there. This means there is no passage, do not go here, there is a fence. But to write these phrases for a long time, and x ... - quickly.
            1. Nulgorod
              Nulgorod 12 February 2018 18: 20
              +1
              Quote: sergo1914
              And if a three-letter word is written on the fence

              Quote: sergo1914
              This means there is no passage, do not go here, there is a fence

              Brilliant !!! It turns out why they write this word: to strengthen the fence! It remains to understand: is this a kind of warning or a witchcraft slander?
        2. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 12 February 2018 08: 15
          +2
          Bow down below. Lower.
        3. Samaritan
          Samaritan 12 February 2018 13: 26
          +2
          Quote: antiamerikan
          write on different contacts

          Again:
          in Russia there is article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation!
          1. The recruitment, training, financing or other material support of a mercenary, as well as its use in armed conflict or military operations -
          is punished by imprisonment for the term from four up to eight years with restriction of freedom for up to two years or without it.
          3. The participation of a mercenary in armed conflict or hostilities -
          shall be punished by imprisonment for a term of three to seven years with restriction of freedom for a term of up to one year, or without it.
          1. Nikolay Fedorov
            Nikolay Fedorov 17 February 2018 14: 28
            +1
            Quote: Samaritan
            Quote: antiamerikan
            write on different contacts

            Once again: in Russia there is article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation!
            1. Recruitment ...

            Applying "our" legislation, in the 90s in every constituent entity of the Russian Federation entire floors or separate rooms for American advisers were allocated in government buildings, this enemy seed scoured the military units !, defense enterprises !, helping us destroy ourselves. And what could we do? To bow your head and continue to comply with suicidal laws - to ruin industry and the army? Would you, dreamers, walk through the forest ...
        4. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 12 February 2018 13: 27
          +2
          Quote: antiamerikan
          write on different contacts

          but I read that an invasion of alien forces is being prepared, should I believe this too?
        5. Viking
          Viking 17 February 2018 18: 04
          0
          and I am inclined to believe them ... or at least to allow the very possibility that it is true

          Here it is, pure propaganda. Golimi ravings, but from many sources, mostly dumb (like various "independent" groups in VK or) and slowly pushing under the guise of saying, "there is no smoke without fire", "I believe, believe me and you did so - to everyone scribe".
          All this is one of the information attacks to the elections.
      3. udincev
        udincev 12 February 2018 11: 34
        +5
        Quote: Romulus
        Where does the figure come from? Or so, wind the rating?

        No need to complicate. It's simple: 200 - "two hundred", 300 - "three hundred" - there’s nothing to strain the only gyrus in the pope ...
    2. svp67
      svp67 12 February 2018 08: 05
      +8
      Quote: antiamerikan
      partners "put 200 Russians

      Oh why NOT 2000? Even the participants in this clash recognize losses in just over 100 people and THIS IS ALL, the local armed groups have lost the most
    3. JonnyT
      JonnyT 12 February 2018 08: 57
      +14
      The partners are just like the Ukrainians - they put cosmo-Buryats of the Russian Federation at the 100500 airport.
      Further more:
      a secret recording of a telephone conversation appeared, where they talk about the huge losses of the wagner
      there was a video (in which nothing is clear) of the American strike on the Wagner column - all this is news from a fictional reality. There was fire contact, and unfortunately there are losses, but they are not so huge

      And here is the real news.
      American friends learn from ukrov - boil in boilers. ISIS escapes from the SAA "captive" to the Kurds and the Syrian "opposition", who take them with open arms and again put them under arms.
      Video. Photo of the proofs is a bunch on the net, unlike the evidence of the broken-down columned wagner. But they beat them from turntables, and they have cameras with high resolution
    4. raw174
      raw174 12 February 2018 09: 38
      +2
      Quote: antiamerikan
      or maybe more
      and no answer

      Hit the Brooklyn Bridge immediately!
      The answer will be, only to me, nobody will tell you and to all of us ...
    5. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 12 February 2018 10: 42
      +8
      Achinea is easier to carry than a log. Why drive a wave in which you yourself will choke.
    6. Squelcher
      Squelcher 12 February 2018 10: 42
      +3
      Yes, the opposition is not learning anything, and the opposition is reluctant to learn :), they cannot throw in a fake correctly, and then they wonder why the people don’t support them, they even vote unhappy with the situation in the country, misery.
    7. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 17 February 2018 13: 57
      +2
      Quote: antiamerikan
      like this
      "partners" put 200 Russians
      or maybe more
      and no answer

      They say that already all 600, and some in some places, referring to reliable sources, talk about 2000 people. In Ukraine, for so long, they have already been operating with numbers of tens of thousands, why waste time? By March 18, the figure will grow, without a doubt, to 100 thousand or more. Go for it, don’t waste your time!
  3. Don
    Don 12 February 2018 07: 25
    +13
    Everyone is promoting this information, but no one has yet submitted any materials proving such great losses among our PMCs. Although the very possibility of such an event certainly cannot be ruled out.
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 12 February 2018 08: 21
      +6
      Quote: Donskoy
      Everyone is promoting this information, but no one has yet submitted any materials,

      There are no photos, no videos. But, there is no smoke without fire, probably there are losses among PMCs, but how much? we will find out later, I think you should not believe both Girkin and Murida, these negatively recommended themselves even in the Donbass. I think all these last losses are timed to the March 18 elections, since everything is coordinated and goes smoothly at the adversary, and losses, plus a massacre is going on in social networks. I really want to “partners” to reward us. Now on the topic. Quotes from other sources.
      "It is also known that the leadership of the" Democratic Forces of Syria "attracts" former "Ishilians and trains them in order to use them against the Syrian government army. This is a trend that has intensified since the Syrian National Dialogue Congress in Sochi:
      [/B]
      “This trend has a military and propaganda component. The military is the weakening of the Syrian government army and its allies to eliminate the legitimate Syrian leadership. "The possibility of a military solution to the regime’s changes in Syria was discussed and debated in the leading circles of the United States."

      However, according to the expert, there is also a propaganda component of the recent actions of the United States and its allies: Here you can summarize the last attack on pro-government forces in the province of Deir ez-Zor, and the fact that the Russian Su-25 attack aircraft and attacks on the Russian military were shot down objects using drones. The purpose of this is to discredit what has been achieved by the Russian side in Syria. The Sochi Congress, which summed up the intermediate results of military operations in Syria, and outlined the ways for a political settlement, also belong to this. And the Americans and the forces that are controlled by the Americans, by their actions are trying to prove that there is no Russian victory over ISIS in Syria. "

      The retention of resource-rich areas of the province of Deir ez-Zor is another goal of the American coalition, which uses Kurdish armed groups in this regard: “But this is a tactical, main, strategic goal - this is the elimination of an unwanted government in Syria. Perhaps there will be other actions: military, political and diplomatic. We know that both diplomatically and the Americans and their NATO allies act in the same context, in the same direction, that is, exert pressure on Russia and pressure on official Damascus. ”

      So we will wait for more dirty tricks from dirty tricks. I’m just tired of somehow getting in the face, and leaving it unanswered, although I can smell it from the inside, they expect this from us, preferably all at once. But apparently, the GDP will serve them cold.
    2. Squelcher
      Squelcher 12 February 2018 10: 43
      +8
      You won’t believe that everyone on the phone ran out of power to take a picture :)
  4. RussianUzbek
    RussianUzbek 12 February 2018 07: 31
    +4
    We do not know the truth, according to the official statement of the Defense Ministry - the actions of the pro-government forces were not coordinated with the Defense Ministry.
    Let’s say that PMCs offered solid profits for squeezing the plant? ... and I really hope that the fake!
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 12 February 2018 18: 40
      +5
      Quote: RussianUzbek
      We do not know the truth, according to the official statement of the Defense Ministry - the actions of the pro-government forces were not coordinated with the Defense Ministry.
      Let’s say that PMCs offered solid profits for squeezing the plant? ... and I really hope that the fake!

      Do you seriously believe that PMCs do what they want and do, walk where they want and where they want? And they have no connection with the Russian military?
      The Pentagon said (and the Russian Defense Ministry confirmed) that the Americans, before fucking, contacted the headquarters at Khmeimim and asked whose boys there frolic, if there were any Russian troops there. Our assured that the Russian military is not there, and who is noisy - they do not know. After that, the Americans rushed to help out their proteges. Do you think that with Hmeimim they wouldn’t have pissed off if really someone else was there?
  5. Vard
    Vard 12 February 2018 07: 32
    +3
    Another attempt to poison us in the showdown there at ground level ... Well, they wrote ... So they write the same thing on the fences ...
  6. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 12 February 2018 07: 36
    +9
    The Americans say that before the strike, the Russian military was informed and they replied that there were no Russian troops in that area.
    Legally, the Wagner group is not Russian military personnel.
    There is no reliable information about whether the Wagner fighters were actually in the column. Only rumors say about fifty dead and twice as many wounded from the Wagner group. But I doubt it.
    Most likely this is the total number of militia losses, perhaps among them there are Wagner fighters, but I do not think that more than a dozen.
    I think now they will have MANPADS.
    1. Electric
      Electric 12 February 2018 08: 52
      +1
      The official status of PMCs of the Russian Federation is already being discussed in the Federation Council of the Russian Federation. That according to Soviet laws was already a relic of the past. We must see what is happening in the world. And a large-scale guerrilla war is being made
      all against all.
      1. Oleg Tolstoy
        Oleg Tolstoy 12 February 2018 13: 47
        +1
        It is interesting, but the Soviet "advisers" in 1936-39 in Spain are, in essence, the same as "PMCs"? CCCP in the case of complications with captivity fit for them?
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 12 February 2018 19: 57
          0
          Officially, our volunteers went to Spain. With official government support ... true.
          Then it was not customary for anyone to be shy / afraid of people who make government decisions.
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 12 February 2018 10: 39
      0
      Razvedka_Boem
      "I think they will now have MANPADS."
      .. to all opponents of the West and the United States MANPADS..y ...
      Again, is there a column on the march and without air cover? There are no children there and have vast experience ..
      1. uhu189
        uhu189 12 February 2018 12: 04
        +3
        And whom were they afraid of from the air? ISIS does not have aviation; Kurds do not. And I think no one took into account the fact that the United States will strike. And did helicopters enter the MANPADS coverage area? But this is all speculation of course what was there, or it was not all the same, so far only guessing
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 12 February 2018 18: 17
          0
          ISIS, Nusra and other bearded children have very powerful aircraft consisting of Turkish, mattresses and Zionist (fascist) aircraft.
  7. slavaseven
    slavaseven 12 February 2018 07: 52
    +2
    Need more detailed information.
  8. Electric
    Electric 12 February 2018 08: 02
    +3
    well put then put ...
    the question is what will happen after that? will mutual destruction begin on a large scale? I think yes.
    And the next question - how many impudence of owls are on the territory of a foreign state not subject to them without demand?
    It is necessary to burn them out of there. With each passing day the owls are in Syria, their arrogance and unscrupulousness is growing.
    1. antiamerikan
      antiamerikan 12 February 2018 08: 05
      +8
      how to “burn” them if they are “partners”?

      at least 200, at least 2000
      ichtamnet
      1. Electric
        Electric 12 February 2018 08: 23
        +4
        kmk beat quietly - only anger. And get a response.
        It is necessary to strike with particular rigidity and unscrupulousness, so that as they say not just shuddered and crap from the results of the defeat ....
        Then these same "partners" begin to negotiate - because somehow the dead bourgeoisie also have family houses and children and relatives with whom the Pentagon will have to speak.
        1. antiamerikan
          antiamerikan 12 February 2018 09: 00
          +5
          partners are not beaten

          and the Russian military was not formally there

          the story is closed
          1. engineer74
            engineer74 12 February 2018 13: 55
            +1
            The CIA is not there either, ICHS, they also do not coordinate their actions with anyone! So the gate is open, there would be a desire ...
            PS In general, it seems that we were not going to fight on that front. Closer to the election, fakes and fly swatters will become fatter! This is where it is necessary to answer in full, and preferably proventively!
  9. Loess
    Loess 12 February 2018 08: 04
    +6
    It is reported that on February 7 in the province of Deir ez-Zor, American artillery dealt a targeted blow to the 5 PMC Wagner’s unit on the march,

    Sources of this information indicate posts on social networks and messages of several bloggers

    CBS News, citing a Pentagon spokesman, announced that the Russians were among the Syrian militias who were hit.

    The channel emphasizes that in case of confirmation of information

    As a result, the info went from social networks, the TV channel does not believe the Pentagon representative. So there is a possibility that this is another throw with an eye to affect the event of the 18 of March.
  10. savage1976
    savage1976 12 February 2018 08: 06
    +6
    There is little information on the PMC fighters, and it is unlikely that it will appear, officially there is no PMC in Russia. And the soldiers of fortune themselves chose the type of work. Of course, I feel sorry for people, I have no doubt in their skill. But what is unambiguous is that the information feed was directed precisely against the Russian leadership before the election in order to discredit.
  11. soldier
    soldier 12 February 2018 08: 08
    +16
    Washington plays on "raising rates", and in no case should he concede in such a situation

    That is, do we also raise the bid?
    1. antiamerikan
      antiamerikan 12 February 2018 08: 10
      +1
      against "partners"?
      1. soldier
        soldier 12 February 2018 08: 11
        +15
        If I understand the author correctly
        What is the next climb?
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        2. prodi
          prodi 12 February 2018 09: 47
          0
          in principle, we are a strong player, it is more profitable for us to play not by the rules; we were not the first to start - and therefore, the only true thing would be for the situation to get to the point where everyone “began to beg” us to return to universal observance of the rules again
      2. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 12 February 2018 10: 50
        +2
        Quote: antiamerikan
        against "partners"?


        Do you know other words ?! Or "partners", your favorite word that you just want to insert on the topic and without?
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  13. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 12 February 2018 08: 47
    +22
    It seems that the Americans in Syria took the Russians seriously. First, the assassination of a general, then an attack by drones of an air base, followed by a downed attack aircraft, a destroyed bridge, and now, now, the defeat of the column of the “composer”. It is alarming that in all cases except the last one, the Americans "did not shine" and did everything with their hands either "barmalei" or "special forces", but in the latter case, it was the American armed forces. The provocation, and this is precisely it, without a doubt, is clearly designed for an “otvetka” from the Russians and for the subsequent escalation of tension between the USA and Russia. Someone really wants to seriously quarrel the United States and Russia and cut off Trump any ways to resolve relations with Russia. And it is strange that this provocation quickly happened after the visit of Russian high-ranking security officials to the United States ...
    1. nickname7
      nickname7 12 February 2018 11: 23
      +1
      These United States proxy troops, they were trained, armed, but ... Papuan puppets are good for local warriors, just as they are not very troops, we can assume that in order to turn the tide in their favor, the metropolitan countries have to use real military men. Therefore, specialists should not get carried away by the Papuans and remember that they can meet, with people like themselves.
    2. Sam
      Sam 12 February 2018 20: 21
      0
      How can you quarrel enemies?
    3. twviewer
      twviewer 12 February 2018 20: 39
      +1
      this is not a provocation, a slap in the face of one partner to another, so that when playing in a common sandbox, he does not open his mouth to someone else’s box, not for the first time and not the last
      otherwise the Americans would have represented everything in color, the media resource is simply incomparable, but here they didn’t even upload photos, and even warned the partner ...
      however, now we will all be told how wonderful it is to go naked under the Olympic flags or to be slightly ironed .. in the end, the guys get money for this, and the loafing plebs are not bored.
    4. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 12 February 2018 22: 30
      +2
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      The provocation, and this is precisely it, without a doubt, is clearly designed for an “otvetka” from the Russians and for the subsequent escalation of tension between the USA and Russia. Someone really wants to seriously quarrel the United States and Russia and cut off Trump any ways to resolve relations with Russia. And it is strange that this provocation quickly happened after the visit of Russian high-ranking security officials to the United States ...

      Very much even can be. Good, not a standard analysis of the situation! + hi
      1. Airman
        Airman 16 February 2018 16: 53
        0
        Aglitsky grandmother?
  14. NordUral
    NordUral 12 February 2018 09: 04
    0
    However, the PMC officers are not servicemen, and the defense ministry representatives never reported on their losses.

    In the light of this, what has happened seems to be quite a conscious provocation, deliberately creating a casus belli. Moreover, the fact that representatives of the military department talk about this in the media may mean that Russia is purposefully driven into a corner, seeking a response from it for the sake of "saving the face".
    It may well be that the Americans are not sure that among the victims of their attack there are Russians, or even know that they are not. But they are striving to get the maximum propaganda effect from the current situation - to demonstrate to their fellow citizens their ability to resolutely repulse Moscow, and to try to undermine the position of Vladimir Putin, who is “not able to answer for the dead fighters,” before the presidential election. After all, it is in this vein that many opposition bloggers and media in Russia are covering the incident in Deir ez-Zor.

    The point is not the answer, but the creation of the impossibility of attacks by the US forces on our guys. And it does not matter whether it’s a PMC or a member of the Russian Armed forces. And this was not provided, apparently. Although I really want that it’s all a duck and ours weren’t hurt.
  15. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 February 2018 09: 44
    +2
    It seems to me all this “Ducks” as well as Caliber’s strike at the headquarters ... Israel itself has an overwhelming superiority in the forces in the region and can make it very difficult for us to reduce Assad’s entire power to “O” in a week. And then the gangs on earth will finish the job.
    1. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 12 February 2018 12: 03
      +3
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Caliber strike at headquarters

      If this happened, only the IDF would be enough to destroy everything Russian in Syria in a week. Remember what Russia did when Turkey shot down an attack aircraft? The answer is obvious. The USSR could respond officially with large deliveries of weapons to the Kurds officially.
    2. Cop
      Cop 12 February 2018 12: 28
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      It seems to me all this “Ducks” as well as Caliber’s strike at the headquarters ... Israel itself has an overwhelming superiority in the forces in the region and can make it very difficult for us to reduce Assad’s entire power to “O” in a week. And then the gangs on earth will finish the job.

      Yeah, I see how the Jewish F-16s strike an air strike at the Khmeimim VVB and the Tartus logistics point. What do you think, how many of them will return? Or do you think in this case, Mr. Netanyahu will not have to try the "caliber" for breakfast?
      1. Viktor.12.71
        Viktor.12.71 12 February 2018 12: 46
        +5
        Quote: Cop
        in this case, Mr. Netanyahu will not have to try the "caliber" for breakfast?

        No, you don’t have to. There will be no gauges.
        Quote: Cop
        What do you think, how many of them will return?

        Knowing how Egypt’s air defense was suppressed with our advisers, then everything will return.
        1. Cop
          Cop 12 February 2018 13: 08
          +1
          Quote: Viktor.12.71

          No, you don’t have to. There will be no gauges.

          Why is that really going to end on someone else?
          Quote: Viktor.12.71

          Knowing how Egypt’s air defense was suppressed with our advisers, then everything will return.

          And why then did not suppress the Syrian then? Or didn’t you see the fall of the "black hawk"?
          1. Viktor.12.71
            Viktor.12.71 12 February 2018 13: 16
            +1
            Quote: Cop
            And why then did not suppress the Syrian then? Or didn’t you see the fall of the "black hawk"?

            Crushed. After the downed f-16, Assad lost his air defense, you will find losses in google plus Iran recognized the losses of the military atache after applying the air strike.
            1. Cop
              Cop 12 February 2018 13: 37
              +1
              Quote: Viktor.12.71
              Quote: Cop
              And why then did not suppress the Syrian then? Or didn’t you see the fall of the "black hawk"?

              Crushed. After the downed f-16, Assad lost his air defense, you will find losses in google plus Iran recognized the losses of the military atache after applying the air strike.

              Well i.e. now do you think the Jews will fly over Syria as well as over Israel? Well, let them fly ...... And atache, they’ll send a new one ...
              1. Dangerous
                Dangerous 12 February 2018 15: 01
                +1
                Why write all messages in bold?
        2. Cossack 471
          Cossack 471 12 February 2018 16: 19
          +2
          Very interesting ! And how was Egypt's air defense suppressed? Israel suffered heavy losses. and the army of Egypt was defeated. when she moved to Lebanon and went out from under the cover of air defense divisions. and the SAMs themselves remained combat-ready all the time. There was a secret book in the Union “The experience of the war in Vietnam and the Middle East” and we studied it in good faith. Where is your information from?
          1. Viktor.12.71
            Viktor.12.71 12 February 2018 17: 30
            0
            Quote: Cossack 471
            Where is your information from?

            For vodka and not tell. The attack of the Israelites was sudden, in a word, their intelligence had eyes and ears in the Egyptian ranks. In June 67, Egypt lost air defense and a decent amount of aircraft, attacked in the morning.
        3. zoolu350
          zoolu350 12 February 2018 18: 22
          +2
          With advisers to the USSR in 1970 Egypt's air defense functioned normally. Score 15: 4 in favor of the USSR.
  16. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 12 February 2018 09: 48
    +1
    At the same time, as we see, representatives of the Pentagon themselves admit that the irregular Syrian formations (and, perhaps, the Russian PMC fighters) did not threaten them or their allies, but intended to take control of the refinery.
    Yeah, I can imagine a refinery standing without protection - all Kurdish refineries took the first thing, the author is broadcasting some cranberries!
    "The militiamen were subjected to" sudden shelling from mortars and MLRS, after which helicopters of the US-led "international coalition" attacked them, the agency said. “As a result of the shelling, Syrian militiamen were injured by 25,” the Defense Ministry said.
    Such a powerful blow and not one killed? Explicitly trying to pass wishful thinking
  17. Soviet Union
    Soviet Union 12 February 2018 09: 56
    +3
    It is a pity for OUR guys .... but I believe that it was going to this, Wagner PMC will not be able to successfully butt against states especially against the USA and Israel, ..... without the support of the Russian Federation. Private .... in a full-scale war it is not at all appropriate .... PMCs must be 100% coordinated with the RF Ministry of Defense STRATEGIC plans and let the tactics be their own.
    1. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 12 February 2018 12: 07
      +1
      And how will PMC Wargner fight with Israel and the United States with the support of Russia? It is enough for the Kurds to give the command to the Kurds and Damascus will fall in a week, but there is no reason.
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 12 February 2018 12: 37
        +1
        Quote: Viktor.12.71
        And how will PMC Wargner fight with Israel and the United States with the support of Russia? US enough Kurds give a command to the front and Damascus will fall in a week, but no reason.

        ====
        wow, after a week ?!
      2. Electric
        Electric 12 February 2018 12: 40
        +2
        Kurds - Kuk Kurdyuki can only shoot from under the silence and wage a guerrilla war ... as soon as they encounter a regular army they immediately dump downhill ...
        It is without the support of the United States that all Saudi and Kurdyuk terrorists can collapse to ZERO in a week
        1. Viktor.12.71
          Viktor.12.71 12 February 2018 12: 50
          +1
          Yesterday, the SDF destroyed CAA units near DeirZora. Kurds control most of the ATS oil, which is not visible as they run from the SAA.
  18. Dr. Hub
    Dr. Hub 12 February 2018 10: 01
    +6
    I wonder where the author takes the information? Why spread fake news, which is already understandably aimed at shattering society. Article minus
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  19. demiurg
    demiurg 12 February 2018 10: 14
    +3
    The author, at least something in the form of proofs can be shown?
    There is no smoke without fire, because there was nothing. The SDF, too, is silent like a fish on ice, and he certainly did not remain silent about the "two kamaz of corpses of mercenaries." Spectra shooting poor Russians .....
    In front of my eyes, another column of topvars degenerated to the level of OBS.

    Does anyone show normal evidence of what happened? Not text or audio, not how could it look, namely video or photo evidence?
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 12 February 2018 10: 42
      +2
      Quote: demiurg
      namely a video or photo certificate?

      but no. What is - does not stand up to criticism. And this despite the fact that on the American technology of video fixation means - to get used to. And those who saw the "two kamaz corpses" have telephones with cameras, if they had real docs, they would have been provided already. In this case, there is nothing, the main thing is to throw it on the fan, then it will fly by itself.
      By the way, all this garbage went from the publication of Strlkov (Girkin) on VKontakte on February 10, which (publication) indicates that all the information was built primarily on the speculations of the author himself: "Messages about losses during the defeat of the Wagner combat group come most different, but there is one tendency - they are constantly changing in the direction of increase. At the moment it’s clear that there are actually hundreds of dead and wounded. Several hundred. (...) Perhaps this is “disinformation” (although it came precisely from Syria) (...) and the likelihood of such losses cannot be ruled out (...). " That is, one suggested, the second threw out the words "perhaps disa" - and away we go. And we can multiply corpses. Today two, tomorrow - 20, in a week - already 2000. With one stroke of a pen
      Now info rolls across various media with links to "unnamed sources."
      1. demiurg
        demiurg 12 February 2018 10: 51
        +1
        If you walk on the links that sometimes provide, then in 90% of cases you will be taken to a Ukrainian resource. And there will be either a video “how it could have looked”, or a recording of negotiations, or an audio file of incomprehensible content.
        Throwing in clean water from the spooky saloids. I do not like to get into their business, but I had to involuntarily climb into Ukrainian Russian-language resources. By the way, it’s interesting there. The delusional generators are powerful there.
        1. Electric
          Electric 12 February 2018 12: 47
          +3
          By the way, from the foreheads there was already a free throw - that the Wagner’s PMCs were fighting with Mosin rifles .... such a funny throw was supposedly a fellow traveler 404 overheard the conversation in the compartment carriage of the wagners dismissed in reserve ...
          even earlier on the censor they had a stolen history of the time of the Second World War which they tried to transfer to the Debaltsevsky boiler. (by the way, I ended up there on time and before I was banned I managed to make fun of these pig-necked liars)
          the story of how a Pz4 was stopped by a sniper shot into the inspection slot of a mechanical driver. They tried to compose that supposedly the T-72 was stopped under Debaltsev.
          That is, storytellers of dill - PMC does not give them peace.
  20. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 February 2018 10: 25
    +6
    The story is suitable for the cinema ... Ganship and enemies ... and not a single MANPADS
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  22. Kent0001
    Kent0001 12 February 2018 10: 37
    +2
    Even so, we will not answer. That's it, our time is running out, and we have just been pointed out to this, or ... am I wrong?
    1. Natalia777
      Natalia777 12 February 2018 11: 45
      +2
      If you are American, then you are right. Your time and US time is running out.
  23. north
    north 12 February 2018 10: 49
    +1
    Military Review, a solid resource name. Check the information before posting it. Yesterday, a lot of resources went through an analysis of this information. The authors of this information are Feigin, Girkin, El Murid, who incidentally support the bourgeois Grudinin, a fiercely nominated candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. In general, strange coincidences.
    1. Lnglr
      Lnglr 12 February 2018 11: 31
      +4
      Something you are slightly confused))) Girkin Grudinina does not support and did not support. Let it be news for you, check it on other resources)))))
  24. Natalia777
    Natalia777 12 February 2018 11: 24
    0
    No matter how the United States survives, now complete destruction awaits them. The USA staged a hybrid war in Ukraine and destroy the Russian people there. Whoever comes to Russia with a sword will die from the sword. On that stood, stands and will stand the Russian land. Russians know how to fight and win. And Russia will win in the hybrid war. In vain the USA attacked Ukraine.
    1. antiamerikan
      antiamerikan 12 February 2018 13: 09
      0
      Do you have anything against the “partners”?
    2. Sapiens 63
      Sapiens 63 12 February 2018 18: 32
      +2
      Girl you did not confuse a resource? Maybe in the culinary forum try to flash my mind? It’s clearly not working out here, dear US demolition woman
  25. Natalia777
    Natalia777 12 February 2018 11: 37
    0
    Quote: Electric
    The official status of PMCs of the Russian Federation is already being discussed in the Federation Council of the Russian Federation. That according to Soviet laws was already a relic of the past. We must see what is happening in the world. And a large-scale guerrilla war is being made
    all against all.

    The war is not against all, but against the United States + Co. And this is a big difference. And the United States will not stand up against everyone no matter how they puffed up. The United States has already sent many ....
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  27. kig
    kig 12 February 2018 12: 04
    +1
    I am sure that PMC fighters suffer losses, and the Kurds, and Turks, and Syrians, and many others kill them. Let’s fight with everyone now.
  28. Romka47
    Romka47 12 February 2018 12: 06
    +2
    The most important question is why the glove compartment has MANPADS, and the PMCs (which have everything and the shells and barrels are good and as it turned out the tanks / "behi") did not have a single pipe ?????
    1. antiamerikan
      antiamerikan 12 February 2018 13: 07
      +5
      if there were - they could still hurt the "partners"!

      and you can pay for it with a villa in california
  29. Simak
    Simak 12 February 2018 12: 11
    +5
    No guys ... everything is serious here. They threw ov flags, and purposefully shot OUR from art and turntables ... the boys really had no chance ... Did our CREW bureaucrats (of all ranks) leave this without punishment !?
    1. Petrik66
      Petrik66 12 February 2018 13: 53
      +3
      Everything is time !!!!!! blow to Washington with all its might. Renew aviation, missiles - or call everyone, Simak - first and first trenches with grenades. Go ahead - for orders !!!!
    2. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 12 February 2018 20: 14
      +1
      The official answer, from the time of Afghanistan, remember? So now they will also answer.
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  30. Vincent
    Vincent 12 February 2018 12: 29
    +1



    Broken cvm column
    1. Electric
      Electric 12 February 2018 12: 58
      +6
      But what military operations have already transferred to Mars? or to help duck PMCs rover and curiosity urgently flew in and inherited ??? )))))))))
    2. Bumper
      Bumper 12 February 2018 13: 06
      +2
      On Mars??? While Musk only wants to get there, our PMCs are already there :)
      Above are the originals of these two photos glued into one.
      Judging by the track of all, the giant tank moved - the width of the truck, which reaches a column the size of a truck.
    3. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 12 February 2018 13: 42
      +4
      Quote: Vincent
      Broken cvm column

      yeah, a column of broken rovers. With the American "Death Star" They give in - they are already fighting on Mars!
      Would you even ask where the legs of this fake photo come from
  31. Sergey Kuznetsov_2
    Sergey Kuznetsov_2 12 February 2018 13: 01
    0
    Some kind of children's games with names began in Syria - everyone knows who (what) is being discussed.
  32. flicker
    flicker 12 February 2018 13: 06
    +2
    However, the current situation in this, which has become customary, the scheme does not fit. The American media almost immediately announced that the fighters of the Russian PMC were in the "retaliatory strike zone of the international coalition".

    You can hit the enemy and keep silent - or you can hit the enemy and scream loudly. Question: why shout loudly? After all, the number of dead opponents will not increase ... so why shout? To cause a negative reaction, reinforcing it with some kind of audio recordings (you need credibility), increasing losses from several wounded to several hundred 200 (to strengthen the negative reaction). Today, almost everything is recorded on video, why there are no photos and videos? Is it because the picture will be little convincing?
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 12 February 2018 13: 48
      +2
      Quote: flicker
      Question: why shout loudly?

      You still do not understand why? Discrediting Russian successes in Syria, discrediting Russian politics in Syria and politics in general, and discrediting Putin before the election. What is not clear here?
      1. flicker
        flicker 12 February 2018 14: 30
        +2
        Do not worry - clearly. Just a lot of noise, but almost no facts. I want to know the real picture of what happened. And you can and should know by the fact of the scream. So they shout when they are afraid that something will remain invisible (invisible for objective reasons), but I really want to be seen (for which they begin to exaggerate it).
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 12 February 2018 18: 15
          +1
          in fact the screams themselves you will not know anything. Here it’s just right to recall “a lie repeated a thousand times is perceived as truth” and “give me the media, and I will make a herd of pigs from any nation”. When they want to prove something, they present facts and evidence.. All the rest is only because they are not there, but there is a desire to discredit someone.
          We do not live in the Stone Age. Means of photo and video recording is full. Both in combat and in reconnaissance equipment, as well as the fighters and the population themselves. To you fakes instead of facts. It makes you think (though those who are still capable of it)
          1. flicker
            flicker 13 February 2018 00: 35
            +2
            Instead of facts, you are fed fakes.
            “You” or “us”?
  33. Selin Andrey
    Selin Andrey 12 February 2018 13: 06
    +1
    Opinion by Sasha Rogers. Https: //alexandr-rogers.livejournal.com/
    961552.html
  34. Macross
    Macross 12 February 2018 13: 19
    0
    Sometimes it seems to me that it's time to cover the ATS, with shells, and against artillery use penicillin and RZSO.
  35. egor-kz
    egor-kz 12 February 2018 13: 21
    0
    Well, there’s something to talk about: if disinformation, then the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will speak, if not, ours will respond and will respond sensitively. Who would doubt that!
  36. Prisoner
    Prisoner 12 February 2018 13: 34
    +3
    Her granddaughter's niece told one grandmother, and this very honest and reliable grandmother told another. Where is the photo, video evidence?
  37. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 12 February 2018 13: 39
    +1
    The truth will come out anyway. But the fact that there blood flows like a river is clear to any fool. Well, except for absolutely ... hopeless.
  38. Petrik66
    Petrik66 12 February 2018 13: 49
    +3
    if girkin is involved, then everything is in order - another cranberry. if, information of such a smell were not published on the site, then what would be discussed? Imagine: the "serious" information resource "National interest" was closed, the Ukrainian patchwork and the "girkin with comrades" stopped printing ?! That’s it, you can close the review, as the battlefield of the couch special forces immediately buries. The fleet - krants (few, not the same), strategic aviation - krants (no one can restore the production of TU 160), the Air Force - few, drop by drop, there are no long-range missiles, there is no radar, Vitebsk has not been completed, armata has not yet no and it’s unlikely to be - all is not thank God ..... It smacks of dilentantism and defeatism, just like during the years of perestroika.
  39. Prutkov
    Prutkov 12 February 2018 13: 53
    0
    Somehow, the tactics of aviation remained behind the scenes. First, an artillery strike, and then the aircraft "cleared" the territory. A similar tactic was when the Americans "mistakenly" bombed the positions of the SAA in Deyrizor. First, drones hit. Then the attack aircraft appeared.
  40. olafcik
    olafcik 12 February 2018 14: 09
    +4
    All information about PMC losses another govnovbros ...
    first there was a photoshop of photos of Mars and the defeat of the APU convoy.


    In fact, a tribal militia detachment, part of the People’s Defense Forces (NFD), cleared the area from terrorists between the villages of Hasham and al-Tabiya, where an airstrike was suddenly applied to it. As a result, 25 fighters were killed and wounded, although the Pentagon claims more than 100 dead.
  41. Vsevolod
    Vsevolod 12 February 2018 14: 11
    +5
    I'm in a @ yoo! Ensign Reconstructor - a reputable media? Is Mars photography proof? Consult a narcologist!
  42. ANDRE - LATVIA
    ANDRE - LATVIA 12 February 2018 14: 20
    +2
    In any case, the filthy Anglo-Saxons must be restrained. In Korea and Vietnam, Amer’s flyers, Soviet aircraft dropped hundreds from the sky and nothing, a great war did not start. And now declare a no-fly zone in the area. If they climb, drop a couple. They will start planting the Tomahawks - the Bastion of destroyers. They don’t have enough for the third world gunpowder, they are rewarding, they can only fight with the weak. Three to four large-capacity nuclear warheads are enough for the Crater of the Yellowstone Super Volcano and the Arizona Tectonic Fault, after which more than half of the US territory will become unsuitable for living. And they understand that too. They will not start a big war.
    1. Sapiens 63
      Sapiens 63 12 February 2018 18: 18
      +2
      And you don’t think the American-runner-runners think that the capabilities of the USSR Armed Forces were somewhat different from today's capabilities of the Russian Armed Forces, as well as the weight of the Russian Federation as a whole.
      In as soon as we drop something there, our sicker than the modest group will get kapets very quickly. Only NOBODY will drop ANYTHING, for this purpose they have brought 3 billion greenery in the last 300 years to lose them
  43. Poppy
    Poppy 12 February 2018 14: 48
    +3
    The sect of believers in PMCs is growing and gaining strength
  44. KirovMK2
    KirovMK2 12 February 2018 14: 51
    +2
    This fake has been exaggerating for two days now. Someone on Facebook wrote this and noted Sladkov, he did not sleep. not in spirit. And the video is also fake, because it is old, has long been hanging in the same VKontakte.
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  45. Oleg Tolstoy
    Oleg Tolstoy 12 February 2018 14: 59
    0
    Quote: Viktor.12.71
    Quote: Cop
    And why then did not suppress the Syrian then? Or didn’t you see the fall of the "black hawk"?

    Crushed. After the downed f-16, Assad lost his air defense, you will find losses in google plus Iran recognized the losses of the military atache after applying the air strike.


    "Small bug, but smelly!"
    (C) laughing
  46. Cresta999
    Cresta999 12 February 2018 15: 01
    +8
    Nonsense from beginning to end. I read the transcript of the telephone conversation - nonsense, written by a civilian and read by another civilian. As a military man in reserve, I can say - fake is 99 percent. Moreover, even if you do not pay attention to the style of expression, then even in the described events there is such a confusion that it’s not a fairy tale to say ... Then they went to hand-to-hand fighting (!), Then they went on tanks (probably with trailers), then in their company more than 200 people serve. In short, frank nonsense.
    1. Good cat
      Good cat 12 February 2018 15: 52
      +3
      Throw in before the election
  47. Captain45
    Captain45 12 February 2018 15: 16
    +3
    Quote: antiamerikan
    write on different contacts

    and I tend to believe them ... or at least to admit myself

    Ah, well done, psakina school!
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 12 February 2018 18: 17
      +1
      wink I’m saying, Aunt Manya said, but she won’t lie. laughing
  48. Bars23
    Bars23 12 February 2018 15: 51
    0
    I’ll tell the whole world that my good friend was on a business trip to Syria serving in a division with 400, he said that about 3 planes Israel lost from them from 400, they just keep silent about the war, I’ve known a person for a long time to lie, although someone will tell us how much of losses
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 12 February 2018 19: 33
      0
      Quote: Bars23
      I have a good friend of mine who was on a business trip to Syria, serving in the division with 400, told me that about 3 aircraft Israel lost from them with 400, they just keep silent about the war, I have known a person for a long time that they’ll lie, although who will tell us how many losses

      More wonderful and wonderful. If this is sarcasm, then, sorry, I did not understand, but if you are serious ..... Do you read yourself when you write? fool About 3 planes may be strewn with empty bottles and * drunken “veterans” who carry nonsense and smash the crap that screeches. The plane is such a thing that it is whole and iron, so only 1,2 or 3 aircraft can be shot down, but about 3's how is it? Maybe 1,43 or 2,087. They shot down 2 of the plane. And from the third 0,43 a piece was broken off and it flew. fool
  49. dgrabov
    dgrabov 12 February 2018 16: 09
    +1
    And I suspect that Strelkov, like Sobchak, was instructed to play the opposition. Or it could be a test of society’s reaction to very crap news.
  50. Elizar Zadunaysky
    Elizar Zadunaysky 12 February 2018 16: 14
    +2
    YouTube golem videos without shooting with a mat for persuasiveness and a clean studio recording just not far away could be misleading
    1. Sapiens 63
      Sapiens 63 12 February 2018 17: 26
      +3
      Yes, yes, our MO is certainly better to believe ... 25 wounded by the Syrians .... Strelkov has much more information than most patriots cheers here, no doubt, I think you can’t hide the sew in a bag and in a couple of days it will be interesting to read the comments of those who are here exercises in the genre
      1. Fedorovich
        Fedorovich 12 February 2018 17: 45
        +3
        The fact that Strelkov-Vkolenny writes nonsense and repeatedly checked, you do not take into account?
        1. Sapiens 63
          Sapiens 63 12 February 2018 18: 03
          +2
          Give examples, examples that the Moscow Region is lying all the time, like our media abound