Argentina acquires retired French Super Etendard aircraft

The defense ministers of the two countries finally signed a contract for the acquisition by Argentina of five deducted from aviation French Navy Dassault Super Etendard carrier-based fighter-bomber variant Super Etendard Modernisee (SEM), reports bmpd.

The contract value was $ 12,5 million.

It is reported that negotiations on the acquisition of five decommissioned aircraft were more than two years. This is due to both Argentine budgetary problems (as a result, as it can be seen, the Argentine side managed to reduce the contract price from preliminary 14,23 million euros to 12,5 million dollars), and disagreements in the Argentine military and political leadership - the Argentine Air Force expressed dissatisfaction with the fact that the purchase of aircraft It is produced for naval aviation, while no funds are allocated for funds for updating the Air Force.

The resource recalls that the French Navy aviation received the 71 serial Super Etendard aircraft in the 1978-1982 years. Aircraft of this type were finally decommissioned on 12 on July 2016, after which several decommissioned aircraft were deposited at the airbase of the French Air Force ERC279 in Shatodene, from which the vehicles for transfer to Argentina will be taken.

Together with the planes, the Argentine side will receive "ten spare Atar 8K50 engines, spare parts, a ground-based simulator and several test and test stands," according to the material.

Comments

[Geisenberg]

They are going to fight again ... But they bought it clearly not what it needs ...

[ul_vitalii]

They bought something that no one needs, they hatched the idea for two years, it is commendable.

[Safevi]

The Argentines are doing bad things if they are forced to buy frank junk. The British, in which case, can easily tear them to shreds!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: sefevi

The British, in which case, can easily tear them to shreds!

Helicopters from the Queen?
After all, Britain has no aircraft carrier at the moment. There is an aircraft carrier - but no aircraft. Thanks to the budget committee of the parliament - we saved on the catapult and the extension of the exploitation of the Harriers.

[ZVO]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: sefevi

The British, in which case, can easily tear them to shreds!

Helicopters from the Queen?
After all, Britain has no aircraft carrier at the moment. There is an aircraft carrier - but no aircraft. Thanks to the budget committee of the parliament - we saved on the catapult and the extension of the exploitation of the Harriers.

Which side to look ...
because the most important thing is to be able to look at any situation from different angles.

Everyone understands that the financial and political condition of Argentina does not allow it, since 1982, to have at least some kind of stability ...
Their society is just so fragmented, the opposites are so developed that there is no chance for a nation to unite.
Accordingly, there is no chance for the development of the Armed Forces of Argentina with the army, navy, aviation.

Americans don’t give them anything.

Russian beggars.
They will not give 50 modern Su-30SM to Argentina with a thousand missiles.
They will not give 10 submarines Varshavyanka and 3 nuclear submarines Cheetah with 200 torpedoes and missiles.
They will not give 5 regiments of S-300 + a couple of hundred PU smaller tori and beeches and shells.

Chinese?
Well, if Argentina was like a pan or Nicaragua - tiny, it might have grown together ... And so - alas. no chance.

And then, as in the movie "What Men Talk About": everyone understands everything ... alas, except for you.
You think that the Britons are unarmed before the Argent ...

[sterx20072]

Don’t confuse the USSR with the building of socialism and capitalist Russia. Therefore, no gifts, everything is only for money and preferably 100% prepayment.

[supertiger21]

Quote: Alexey RA

Helicopters from the Queen?
After all, Britain has no aircraft carrier at the moment. There is an aircraft carrier - but no aircraft. Thanks to the budget committee of the parliament - we saved on the catapult and the extension of the exploitation of the Harriers.

Believe me, these Harriers can now become a big problem for the Argentine Mirages, as they did in 1982. And the latest F-35B even more so.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: supertiger21

Believe me, these Harriers can now become a big problem for the Argentine Mirages, as they did in 1982.

What kind "these Harriers"? Britain has no more Harirers - all HVACs were decommissioned in March 2011 due to low reliability and a tenfold increase in the cost of maintaining combat readiness. And in November 2011, decommissioned vehicles were sold by the U.S. ILC for parts - because the Yankees also had a problem with the high cost of maintaining combat readiness AV-8.

Quote: supertiger21

And the latest F-35B even more so.

But what - they have already been delivered, trained for them by the crews and recognized the squadrons as combat-ready? The latest news about British British F-35Bs - in the fall of 2018, the first test flights will begin from the decks of a group of three or more F-35Bs. Moreover, these tests depend on whether the fleet will receive the “Prince” in 2019, since in 2019 the “Queen” should dock.
The initial combat readiness of the decked F-35B limes is planned for 2020, and the complete readiness of the air group of at least one AB - for 2023.

[KVU-NSVD]

The Argentines are now happy and trash. how no one thinks to fight on it

[Geisenberg]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

The Argentines are now happy and trash. how no one thinks to fight on it

They fought very well on it. This is the only plane that could at least do something in the war for the Malvinas Islands.

In general, initially they were going to buy something from the Su-27 and Mig-29 series ... And then the prez changed there) ... But in reality they needed to buy the Su-25 ...

[KVU-NSVD]

So I don’t argue. Ours was by any means better, but they wouldn’t allow me to buy, so I bought decommissioned junk from the options available at a “price - acquaintance with technology - it may fly” so far

[Vikxnumx]

The range is small ...

[long in stock.]

why? the same old skyhawks fought well. and the ethandars were heard just because they were the only ones who could operate missiles.

[supertiger21]

Quote: Geisenberg

In general, initially they were going to buy something from the Su-27 and Mig-29 series ... And then the prez changed there) ... But in reality they needed to buy the Su-25 ...

But the 25th is not a fighter ...

[VIT101]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

The Argentines are now happy and trash. how no one thinks to fight on it

In vain jiving. Argentina is a maritime power and they have combat experience on these machines. Exoset anti-ship missile carrier aircraft. In the Falkland War, it was the Super Standards of the Navy that exiled two British ships, including Sheffield destroyer. There was no sense in land aviation. In France, they were withdrawn from service only in 2016. So not the weakest car for ridiculous money. In any case, it’s more useful for them than our SU-25, as some here advise.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: VIT101

In the Falkland War, it was the Super Standards of the Navy that exiled two British ships, including Sheffield destroyer. There was no sense in land aviation.

Yeah ... apparently, Coventry, Antilope and Sir Galahad drowned on their own - for technical reasons.

[long in stock.]

with fear ... you get scared when gifts are pouring from heaven on you ..

[Topotun]

The French will get their supplies of components and weapons. I wonder what they have with the resource? Although Argentina is unlikely to take full trash.

[vlad66]

The contract value was $ 12,5 million.

Prepare as much for parts for these aircraft.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: vlad66

The contract value was $ 12,5 million.

Prepare as much for parts for these aircraft.

As far as I understand the arithmetic, they were just bought for parts. And any NATO weapon except the most modern models will fit there. All sorts of Great European powers dream of getting rid of this right now in connection with the expired storage rock.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Geisenberg

As far as I understand the arithmetic, they were just bought for parts.

On the contrary, they were bought to replace the dead Argentinean Super Etandars at the end. Because what France writes off is really better and newer than what the argi exploit.
Just when reprinting with bmpd, a rather important paragraph was omitted:

The aircraft purchased in France will go into service with the traditionally operating Super Etendard 2nd Marine Fighter Assault Squadron (2da Escuadrilla Aeronaval de Caza y Ataque) of the Argentine Navy at the Espora Air Base, which will allow at least partially restoring the combat effectiveness of this squadron. Recall that under a contract of July 1979, the Argentine Navy purchased from Dassault Aviation 14 new-built Super Etendard aircraft that entered service with the 2nd Marine Fighter Assault Squadron and were successfully used in 1982 during the conflict on the Falkland Islands against the British Navy . It was reported that for 2017, as part of the 2nd naval fighter-assault squadron of aviation of the Argentine Navy, nominally there were nine Super Etendard aircraft, however, none of them were flying.

© bmpd
And bought these cars already with spare parts:

ten Atar 8K50 spare engines, spare parts, ground simulator and several test benches

[seti]

Do you seriously think that they are going to fight on this trash? No, these planes will be used as training. They have few pilots.
But frankly ridiculous to get such bullshit for a country such as Argentina. And with such potential.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: seti

Do you seriously think that they are going to fight on this trash? No, these planes will be used as training. They have few pilots.
But frankly ridiculous to get such bullshit for a country such as Argentina. And with such potential.

There is no potential there. The nation is stagnant. The region is stagnant.

[Graz]

for the money that they paid, and even with spare parts, it is quite normal for this region

[pavelty]

Yeah ... the trash is gloomy, pilots are not particularly envious.

[Reserve officer]

Used cars from France. No mileage on Argentine airfields. Native paint and rubber. Spare parts are included.

[Svarog51]

Alex, welcome They would have to find their boat, and they buy used cars. Now also the planes will begin to fall.

[Reserve officer]

Greetings, Sergey! They have had problems with the Air Force since the 90's, after the war over the Falkland Islands. Then, if I remember correctly, about 70 aircraft of various types were destroyed. And then leapfrog with financing, persecution of senior Air Force officers. In short - we drank. Humanly, all this is understandable. And the states somehow are not eager to see the strong army of Argentina next to them.
Therefore, used foreign cars. And in the tragedy with the submarine nothing is clear at all. Judging by the publications on the Internet, they are also regular ears.
In short - let them play football. Everything turns out brilliantly here.

[Svarog51]

Alexey, I completely agree. Football is good, but in the case of the Falklands, you need an army and navy. They decide for themselves where to invest the money.

[konus]

Interesting! After all, it was the aircraft of this type that were used by Argentinean aircraft during the Falkland War. It was the aircraft of this type that were armed with Etandar missiles (also French-made), which caused quite a lot of trouble to the Royal Navy of England. Maybe they bought something from old memory?

[Sam_gosling]

Maybe speech about exoset rockets? Then skyhawks could have been bought from a cemetery in the usa. Also suitable technique for mere pennies.

[donavi49]

35 years have passed.

In past years over the 35 years, this has been a journey from I-15 and Gladiators to MiG-25, Phantom and Jaguar.

[IL-18]

Now the MiG-21 can be turned into a formidable killer of aircraft and ships.
Can ours create the reincarnation of the Su-17 and MiG-21? For myself, one shelf, and the rest is exported. And for the adversary, the warning is that such planes will take off and land off the freeway, but you can make a lot of them, and it’s easier to train pilots with them.

[Vitas]

And why do not they want to take our MiGs? Or MO does not give them a loan? Indonesia will give us coffee and spices for fighter jets, and a couple of hundred football players would be bred for beef (a joke).

[donavi49]

They traded for 5,1 million dollars on 2 of the year.

What is the MiG for 12,5 million dollars? Non-self-propelled? Moreover, part will go to spare parts, part opposite will take parts from the existing fleet. They are got xnumx aircraft - which can carry anti-ship missiles. Moreover, the aircraft that are already available, have service, weapons, training for them.

And what are the options? If they barely had 12,5 million dollars? This is even less than half of one MiG-29K - which can also carry anti-ship missiles. And to him it is still necessary to purchase new RCCs. That is also money, while the new standards will use the existing ones.

Credit? So there the problem is that basically the country does not want to finance the army normally, therefore there is no money. A loan is when he wants, but cannot temporarily.

[Gray brother]

Quote: donavi49

basically the country doesn’t want to finance the army normally,

Countries with lower military budgets are also buying more modern weapons. There, it seems the generals are funding normally, not the army.

[Alexey RA]

Bmpd had a good comment in discussing this deal and in general the desire of the args to modernize their armed forces

Defense spending by country:
Argentina - 5.5 Billion - Bought Super Etendard
Vietnam - 4.6 billion - bought a Su-30
Angola - 3.6 billion - bought a Su-30
Myanmar - 2.2 billion - bought a Su-30
Kazakhstan - 2 billion - bought a Su-30
Belarus - 0.7 billion - bought a Su-30

[mavrus]

Quote: seti

Do you seriously think that they are going to fight on this trash? No, these planes will be used as training. They have few pilots.
But frankly ridiculous to get such bullshit for a country such as Argentina. And with such potential.

In 1982, they dropped American bombs from the Second World War on British ships, more than half of which did not explode. They used Chinese-made air-to-air missiles, which also did not explode. Most of the attack aircraft were the same age as our IL-2. In short, both the Americans and the Sinologists made good money by selling all this stuff to the Argentines.

[long in stock.]

this is where you got about Chinese rockets and peers il2? their fart-1974 year of birth. and absolutely not il2. from the word at all ..

[Graz]

in general, there were American Skyhawk attack aircraft, which were pretty bad at that time, and the rockets were French exosets to French super-expander cars