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In the West, explained why the Russian Su-57 created problems for NATO

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Western media acknowledged that the fifth-generation Russian multifunctional fighter Su-57 has no equal opponents in the United States and NATO countries.


According to Contra Magazin, the western countries simply did not have an aircraft that could withstand the Su-57. "NATO has problems ..." - this is how the alarming headline of the publication begins.

In the West, explained why the Russian Su-57 created problems for NATO


The publication notes that the best aircraft in NATO is the fourth-generation multi-purpose fighter Eurofighter, by the way, the generation against which, according to the author of the material, even the American F22 Raptor has no chance. In general, Contra Magazin is skeptical of American fighters, in particular, it criticizes the performance and maneuverability of F22 and F35. The revolutionary approach of the United States to the creation of fifth-generation fighter aircraft has proved disastrous.

American Revolution in Aircraft Industry Degenerates aviation and infected the NATO Air Force. Unfortunately, the United States did not do what the Russians did. The Russians evolved from Su-24 (which is still in use, including in Syria) through Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35 to Su-57
- writes the edition.

Among the American aircraft Contra Magazin allocates only deck fighter-bomber and attack aircraft F18 Super Hornet, which also passed a serious evolutionary path from F / A-18 and now can correspond to Eurofighter. However, this is poor consolation. As noted in the publication, both of these aircraft can not even come close to the level of the Russian Su-57, reports "RG-Force"
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  1. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 29 January 2018 12: 18
    27
    The Russians conducted an evolution from Su-24 (which is still in use, including in Syria) through Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35 to Su-57
    24th ancestor of 57th - inflammation of the echsperd brain, cockroaches in the author’s head are applauding laughing
    1. dorz
      dorz 29 January 2018 12: 23
      +7
      Russian Su-57 created problems

      The message is that several hundreds of modern NATO planes at the border are not a reason for the Russians to be in turmoil.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 29 January 2018 12: 40
        +2

        Europeans also decided to cut money for a new plane

      2. Monos
        Monos 29 January 2018 12: 40
        +8
        We give the floor to real experts. smile
      3. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 29 January 2018 13: 34
        +5
        Quote: dorz
        Russian Su-57 created problems

        The message is that several hundreds of modern NATO planes at the border are not a reason for the Russians to be in turmoil.

        The promise was that the chicken had not yet laid a testicle, and 15 people had already gathered at the table and were looking forward to when they would all be fed with fried eggs.
        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 29 January 2018 13: 55
          +3
          Quote: A. Privalov
          15 people have already gathered at the table and are looking forward to, when will they all be fed scrambled eggs.
          because they are already full of rotten American eggs.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 29 January 2018 13: 58
            0
            Quote: Vita VKO
            Quote: A. Privalov
            15 people have already gathered at the table and are looking forward to, when will they all be fed scrambled eggs.
            because they are already full of rotten American eggs.

            So I say that the chicken promises to carry a fresh egg. Further, in the text. hi
            1. cormorant
              cormorant 29 January 2018 15: 13
              +1
              The chicken has not yet been demolished, but for some (not about you), with chicken brains, common thoughts begin to appear ...
            2. Stiletto_711
              Stiletto_711 29 January 2018 17: 04
              +1
              Yes, do not worry so much, they will lay down one testicle and the second, and you will not have time to hide anything fellow
            3. Vkd dvk
              Vkd dvk 30 January 2018 12: 39
              +1
              Quote: A. Privalov
              Quote: Vita VKO
              Quote: A. Privalov
              15 people have already gathered at the table and are looking forward to, when will they all be fed scrambled eggs.
              because they are already full of rotten American eggs.

              So I say that the chicken promises to carry a fresh egg. Further, in the text. hi

              Due to the lack of your chickens, carrying fresh dietary eggs, you are eating someone else's, rotten and fabulously expensive. You can not refuse. Not allowed.
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 30 January 2018 12: 54
                0
                Quote: wkd dvk
                Quote: A. Privalov
                Quote: Vita VKO
                Quote: A. Privalov
                15 people have already gathered at the table and are looking forward to, when will they all be fed scrambled eggs.
                because they are already full of rotten American eggs.

                So I say that the chicken promises to carry a fresh egg. Further, in the text. hi

                Due to the lack of your chickens, carrying fresh dietary eggs, you are eating someone else's, rotten and fabulously expensive. You can not refuse. Not allowed.

                Do not fool your head, dear, neither yourself nor the people. Due to the lack of intelligible thoughts on the subject of the article, I do not dare to delay it any longer. hi
                1. Vkd dvk
                  Vkd dvk 30 January 2018 14: 34
                  0
                  Quote: A. Privalov
                  ....

                  "The West explained why the Russian Su-57 created problems for NATO"
                  The topic is called so.
                  But from something you decided that you are in a supermarket and sorting out eggs, choosing the ones that are more suitable for you. I decided to assist. You offended. These are not my problems, but yours.
    2. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx 29 January 2018 21: 35
      +2
      24th ancestor of 57th - inflammation of the echsperd brain, cockroaches in the author’s head are applauding
      "Expert" is by chance not our "favorite" Dave Majumdara?
    3. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 30 January 2018 12: 35
      0
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      The Russians conducted an evolution from Su-24 (which is still in use, including in Syria) through Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35 to Su-57
      24th ancestor of 57th - inflammation of the echsperd brain, cockroaches in the author’s head are applauding laughing

      The ancestor of the entire aircraft structure is the Wright brothers biplane. It is a pity that you do not understand that perfection is found in millions of options of the previous one.
  2. seti
    seti 29 January 2018 12: 19
    16
    The article is not about anything. The question has not been resolved how Su 57 created problems for NATO. They understand very well that the plane is still a little raw and they are unlikely to receive mass production in the coming years. And we are not going to fight with them.
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 29 January 2018 12: 27
      +8
      Regular scarecrows, but there is no comparative analysis, only stuffing.
    2. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 29 January 2018 12: 49
      0
      Quote: seti
      And we are not going to fight with them.

      We do not want, but the Anglo-Zionist geeks are really lusting! Only for the time being stutstsa, but if they believe in their impunity - they will strike immediately!
  3. newcomer
    newcomer 29 January 2018 12: 20
    +1
    cleverly: from SS24 we got SS57 laughing Yes, and there is a modification of Eurofighter 4 two pluses. and it’s incorrect to compare the European fighter with f22, especially with the SU57. let compare with SU35, just right.
    1. seti
      seti 29 January 2018 12: 35
      +2
      Well, in their opinion, if the “Su” is ahead, the ancestor of the Su-57 means ..
      1. jovanni
        jovanni 29 January 2018 13: 56
        +1
        Quote: seti
        Well, in their opinion, if the “Su” is ahead, the ancestor of the Su-57 means ..

        Ohhh ... Then they need to dig from Su-2 ...
  4. Egorovich
    Egorovich 29 January 2018 12: 20
    +3
    Can anyone really say something against the opinion of an American magazine !? All logically correctly told. Thank!!!
    1. volodya
      volodya 29 January 2018 12: 23
      +1
      Do they have a problem? So these are their problems!
      1. win
        win 29 January 2018 12: 36
        +2
        Do they have a problem?

        If the problem can be solved for money,
        it’s not a problem, it’s a cost fellow
  5. Giant thought
    Giant thought 29 January 2018 12: 22
    +3
    Until there is a mass supply of SU-57 to the troops, all this remains out of the realm of talk, and in order to confidently resist the American aircraft engine, at least 50 of our SU-57s are needed.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 29 January 2018 17: 28
      +3
      Quote: Thought Giant
      and in order to confidently confront the American aircraft engine, you need at least at least 50 of our SU-57s.

      And why didn’t you please the SU-30 and SU-35? Really, there is really no reason to wait for deliveries in the next 5-10 years ... large purchases will be in small batches. During this time, all the shortcomings of the 57th will be eliminated, during the course of military use, and the price of this product will be optimized.
      Moreover, the arsenal for the SU-57 is not fully prepared and tested. For the next 5-10 years, the SU-35 will become the main heavy IFI.
    2. NN52
      NN52 29 January 2018 20: 34
      11
      Giant thought

      Well, if you say, the American aircraft engine ... Then you need at least 200 Su 57 and 500-800 Su 30 and Su 35. and I don’t know how many Mig 35 ...
      You are our special ..... aviation ...
      1. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 30 January 2018 12: 43
        +2
        Quote: NN52
        Giant thought

        Well, if you say, the American aircraft engine ... Then you need at least 200 Su 57 and 500-800 Su 30 and Su 35. and I don’t know how many Mig 35 ...
        You are our special ..... aviation ...

        You are mistaken. None of this is needed. Enough 20 "Governor". 80% of the US population whisk away quickly, reliably. The rest will restore the country from the Stone Age, having lost diapers, iPhones and all that they are used to. Remembering why the neighbors built a wall on the border, the Mexicans will guard it for their part.
        1. Satanator
          Satanator 30 January 2018 22: 43
          0
          Enough 20 "Governor".

          that's it! therefore, the supply of Sarmat on combat duty is more important than the mass production of 5th generation flyers
          1. Vkd dvk
            Vkd dvk 30 January 2018 23: 06
            0
            Quote: Satanator
            Enough 20 "Governor".

            that's it! therefore, the supply of Sarmat on combat duty is more important than the mass production of 5th generation flyers

            And how can you resist the 20-fold advantage of the budget of only one country? Only asymmetrically.
  6. Jackyun
    Jackyun 29 January 2018 12: 23
    +7
    Wah! How so? A year ago, they fought in the epilepsy that the Russian T-50 had nothing to do not just with a 5th generation airplane, but with an airplane in general, and the F-35 was a divine creation.
  7. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 29 January 2018 12: 24
    +2
    The publication notes that the best aircraft in NATO is a multi-role fighter Eurofighter

    to the number of authors of the article! Dismiss all editors to hell! How is the F-22 and F-35 not the best?
    In general, every sandpiper praises its swamp. You read such experts, and marvel at it. If you do not know that this is just lobbying. Nowadays, some countries (like Germany) are still in thought - either to buy Eurofighter (they advocate for it in the Luftwaffe), or an overseas “Penguin” (they defend it in the Ministry of Defense)
  8. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 29 January 2018 12: 26
    +3
    And what is dangerous then? They are not yet there.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 January 2018 12: 27
    +8
    "NATO has problems ..."
    As far as I can remember, NATO always had some problems. Either with the USSR, and now with Russia, then with China, then with someone else. And specifically the United States, as the main member of NATO, did not come out of these problems - the Korean War, the Vietnam War ...
    1. Alex-a832
      Alex-a832 29 January 2018 12: 46
      +3
      NATO and its member countries have the biggest problem - NATO. It's like: "The greatest threat to US national security is the two square miles that the Capitol and the White House stand on."
  10. faiver
    faiver 29 January 2018 12: 51
    +2
    bredyan laughing , the plane is not in service, but NATO already has problems laughing
    1. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 30 January 2018 14: 43
      +1
      Quote: faiver
      bredyan laughing , the plane is not in service, but NATO already has problems laughing

      The United States has 22 and 35 in service. But we have NO problems about this. It seems to me that we are in a winning position. Do you disagree?
  11. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 29 January 2018 13: 01
    +1
    What is the problem of NATO and the USA because of the Su-57 ??? And the problem is the existence of NATO and the United States ........... laughing
  12. mvg
    mvg 29 January 2018 13: 26
    +2
    Why publish such articles ?? Enough of delusional material from local authors ... and in the press.
    1. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 30 January 2018 14: 46
      +1
      Quote: mvg
      Why publish such articles ?? Enough of delusional material from local authors ... and in the press.

      I am not affected by the problems of LGBT people. And I'm not on these forums. Maybe if you are not interested here, you will go to a place where your feelings will meet understanding?
      1. mvg
        mvg 30 January 2018 16: 08
        0
        You need to draw about what you know professionally. This forum is not for 10 year old patriots. And not a newspaper article about "about anything." Water on water ... not a cent of information.
        1. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 30 January 2018 20: 19
          0
          Quote: mvg
          You need to draw about what you know professionally. This forum is not for 10 year old patriots. And not a newspaper article about "about anything." Water on water ... not a cent of information.

          It’s strange. Forum of lay people. Chatting about things that go beyond the edge of their understanding. Waiting for someone to copy TTT products here. Yes, only talkers here and place. Thirsty to look into the keyhole is not the place.
          1. NN52
            NN52 30 January 2018 22: 12
            +9
            Vkd dvk

            I think you will disappear from here tomorrow.
            1. Vkd dvk
              Vkd dvk 30 January 2018 23: 07
              0
              Quote: NN52
              Vkd dvk

              I think you will disappear from here tomorrow.

              Sleep well. Nobody will touch you. Nobody needs you.
          2. mvg
            mvg 31 January 2018 11: 17
            0
            You definitely didn’t get there. And they hardly read at least 10 articles on the forum. There are both professional military and professional technical specialists. You should draw in the Murzilka magazine. Your audience is definitely there ...
            A chat in the evening is a pleasant thing ...
  13. Kent0001
    Kent0001 29 January 2018 13: 49
    +1
    They still want to learn the dough from the budget. That's all.
  14. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 29 January 2018 13: 50
    +2
    The article is definitely about nothing. A clear minus.
    But in essence, how did the SU57 scare NATO or the United States? The SU57 is not accepted for service. And it’s ridiculous to believe that the next 5 years will be accepted. The airplane itself is raw. This year they will receive only the installment batch, next year, God forbid, they will break it in, another year there is likely to be something to improve. And there micro-parties will begin to enter the troops. How long this will last is a big question and only then it will be possible to talk about the planned large-scale replacement of the aircraft fleet in the Russian Aerospace Forces. By the way, which SU57 planes are being replaced? What place will the SU57 take upon itself? In general, what is his concept of future combat use? So after all, Su 57 was not conceived as a killer of the Raptor or F35. And if it’s their killer, then he, like a plane, can win one-on-one with them, but quantitatively he lost to them in the net before they could be born. I'm not talking about losing to generation 4 aircraft.
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 29 January 2018 14: 09
      +2
      Quote: Alex2048
      But in essence, how did the SU57 scare NATO or the United States?

      They create horror stories for themselves, and then they are afraid of them. In addition to the image advantages on the Su-57 arms market, Russia will not give any military advantages, at least in the next decade. The main danger for NATO here is technology itself. For example, the same engines of the second stage can easily be delivered to China and other countries applying for the creation of 5th generation aircraft. And this is a serious competition for the F-22 and 35.
  15. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 29 January 2018 14: 10
    +1
    The meaning of the Contra Magazin article is "just .... give money" .... wink [Quote] [/ quote]
  16. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 January 2018 14: 43
    +1
    Well, firstly, we don’t have this plane yet.
    What flies is test samples.
    Secondly, we have a more formidable weapon,
    the same cruise missiles. And they really are and are used.
    So the authors are afraid of the wrong, the wrong ...
  17. Snakebyte
    Snakebyte 29 January 2018 22: 56
    0
    Quote: Vita VKO
    They create horror stories for themselves, and then they are afraid of them.

    They are not afraid.
    The hype about the “threat” is inflated specifically so that politicians do not have questions - is it worth financing promising defense programs if there are no opponents even with current technology? This is what their approach differs from the domestic one. "We have no analogues, seven are bent in one fell swoop. In the near future, there are only engines left, to design radars and missiles, then we need them ...".
  18. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 30 January 2018 01: 47
    +1
    The publication notes that the best aircraft in NATO is the fourth-generation multi-role Eurofighter fighter, by the way, against which, according to the author of the material, even the American F22 Raptor has no chance.
    Another nonsense.
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    1. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 30 January 2018 18: 22
      0
      Well, certainly not Eurofighter.
  20. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 30 January 2018 10: 35
    0
    Quote: dorz
    Russian Su-57 created problems

    The message is that several hundreds of modern NATO planes at the border are not a reason for the Russians to be in turmoil.

    The plane has not yet been put into service, but it’s already a problem? What will happen when it goes into operation, albeit in a limited number? Panic ?????????? Or another reason to click on the taxpayer so that he would fork out?
  21. Kisso4kin
    Kisso4kin 31 January 2018 08: 38
    0
    And where are the facts?
  22. Nuclear fuel station
    Nuclear fuel station 4 February 2018 09: 34
    0
    An article on the fun of militaristic patriotism. While Russia will produce at least 30 production cars, in the west the 6th generation will fly. But nothing, we will call our plane a generation of 5 ++++++++, and we will compare our trash with big uncles, as you like it.
    1. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 4 February 2018 20: 26
      0
      Quote: Nuclear gas station
      An article on the fun of militaristic patriotism. While Russia will produce at least 30 production cars, in the west the 6th generation will fly. But nothing, we will call our plane a generation of 5 ++++++++, and we will compare our trash with big uncles, as you like it.

      And they are already flying. And all are completely invisible. But, for that, widely paid by the allies, mainly idiots from NATO. And nuclear fuel stations
      1. Nuclear fuel station
        Nuclear fuel station 5 February 2018 11: 09
        0
        We laugh at the stealthamm, and we are pushing ourselves to try to make our Puk-fak and Pyk-Dak. So yes, the technology is useless ...
        1. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 5 February 2018 12: 27
          +1
          Quote: Nuclear gas station
          We laugh at the stealthamm, and we are pushing ourselves to try to make our Puk-fak and Pyk-Dak. So yes, the technology is useless ...

          The smart one differs from the stupid one not in the system of thinking, but in accents placed on the main features. Stupid goes in cycles on one. The smart man weighs a lot and chooses the most suitable option for combinations of useful properties. go ... from, not understanding the differences in approaches, trying with his monkey language to be noted as an expert.
  23. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 4 February 2018 13: 31
    0
    Woke up.
    The fact is that the SU-30 and SU-35 have already created problems for them, and the SU-57 is a value that is generally unattainable for now.
    1. Nuclear fuel station
      Nuclear fuel station 5 February 2018 11: 10
      0
      It can be seen by shot down dryers. And according to the latter - one cannot achieve what is not