In the West, explained why the Russian Su-57 created problems for NATO

Western media acknowledged that the fifth-generation Russian multifunctional fighter Su-57 has no equal opponents in the United States and NATO countries.

According to Contra Magazin, the western countries simply did not have an aircraft that could withstand the Su-57. "NATO has problems ..." - this is how the alarming headline of the publication begins.

The publication notes that the best aircraft in NATO is the fourth-generation multi-purpose fighter Eurofighter, by the way, the generation against which, according to the author of the material, even the American F22 Raptor has no chance. In general, Contra Magazin is skeptical of American fighters, in particular, it criticizes the performance and maneuverability of F22 and F35. The revolutionary approach of the United States to the creation of fifth-generation fighter aircraft has proved disastrous.

American Revolution in Aircraft Industry Degenerates aviation and infected the NATO Air Force. Unfortunately, the United States did not do what the Russians did. The Russians evolved from Su-24 (which is still in use, including in Syria) through Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35 to Su-57

- writes the edition.

Among the American aircraft Contra Magazin allocates only deck fighter-bomber and attack aircraft F18 Super Hornet, which also passed a serious evolutionary path from F / A-18 and now can correspond to Eurofighter. However, this is poor consolation. As noted in the publication, both of these aircraft can not even come close to the level of the Russian Su-57, reports "RG-Force"

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[KVU-NSVD]

The Russians conducted an evolution from Su-24 (which is still in use, including in Syria) through Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35 to Su-57

24th ancestor of 57th - inflammation of the echsperd brain, cockroaches in the author’s head are applauding

[dorz]

Russian Su-57 created problems

The message is that several hundreds of modern NATO planes at the border are not a reason for the Russians to be in turmoil.

[bulvas]

Europeans also decided to cut money for a new plane

[Monos]

We give the floor to real experts.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: dorz

Russian Su-57 created problems

The message is that several hundreds of modern NATO planes at the border are not a reason for the Russians to be in turmoil.

The promise was that the chicken had not yet laid a testicle, and 15 people had already gathered at the table and were looking forward to when they would all be fed with fried eggs.

[Vita vko]

Quote: A. Privalov

15 people have already gathered at the table and are looking forward to, when will they all be fed scrambled eggs.

because they are already full of rotten American eggs.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Vita VKO

Quote: A. Privalov

15 people have already gathered at the table and are looking forward to, when will they all be fed scrambled eggs.

because they are already full of rotten American eggs.

So I say that the chicken promises to carry a fresh egg. Further, in the text.

[cormorant]

The chicken has not yet been demolished, but for some (not about you), with chicken brains, common thoughts begin to appear ...

[Stiletto_711]

Yes, do not worry so much, they will lay down one testicle and the second, and you will not have time to hide anything

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: A. Privalov

Quote: Vita VKO

Quote: A. Privalov

15 people have already gathered at the table and are looking forward to, when will they all be fed scrambled eggs.

because they are already full of rotten American eggs.

So I say that the chicken promises to carry a fresh egg. Further, in the text.

Due to the lack of your chickens, carrying fresh dietary eggs, you are eating someone else's, rotten and fabulously expensive. You can not refuse. Not allowed.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: wkd dvk

Quote: A. Privalov

Quote: Vita VKO

Quote: A. Privalov

15 people have already gathered at the table and are looking forward to, when will they all be fed scrambled eggs.

because they are already full of rotten American eggs.

So I say that the chicken promises to carry a fresh egg. Further, in the text.

Due to the lack of your chickens, carrying fresh dietary eggs, you are eating someone else's, rotten and fabulously expensive. You can not refuse. Not allowed.

Do not fool your head, dear, neither yourself nor the people. Due to the lack of intelligible thoughts on the subject of the article, I do not dare to delay it any longer.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: A. Privalov

...

"The West explained why the Russian Su-57 created problems for NATO"
The topic is called so.
But from something you decided that you are in a supermarket and sorting out eggs, choosing the ones that are more suitable for you. I decided to assist. You offended. These are not my problems, but yours.

[svd-xnumx]

24th ancestor of 57th - inflammation of the echsperd brain, cockroaches in the author’s head are applauding

"Expert" is by chance not our "favorite" Dave Majumdara?

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

The Russians conducted an evolution from Su-24 (which is still in use, including in Syria) through Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35 to Su-57

24th ancestor of 57th - inflammation of the echsperd brain, cockroaches in the author’s head are applauding

The ancestor of the entire aircraft structure is the Wright brothers biplane. It is a pity that you do not understand that perfection is found in millions of options of the previous one.

[seti]

The article is not about anything. The question has not been resolved how Su 57 created problems for NATO. They understand very well that the plane is still a little raw and they are unlikely to receive mass production in the coming years. And we are not going to fight with them.

[ul_vitalii]

Regular scarecrows, but there is no comparative analysis, only stuffing.

[Antianglosax]

Quote: seti

And we are not going to fight with them.

We do not want, but the Anglo-Zionist geeks are really lusting! Only for the time being stutstsa, but if they believe in their impunity - they will strike immediately!

[newcomer]

cleverly: from SS24 we got SS57 Yes, and there is a modification of Eurofighter 4 two pluses. and it’s incorrect to compare the European fighter with f22, especially with the SU57. let compare with SU35, just right.

[seti]

Well, in their opinion, if the “Su” is ahead, the ancestor of the Su-57 means ..

[jovanni]

Quote: seti

Well, in their opinion, if the “Su” is ahead, the ancestor of the Su-57 means ..

Ohhh ... Then they need to dig from Su-2 ...

[Egorovich]

Can anyone really say something against the opinion of an American magazine !? All logically correctly told. Thank!!!

[volodya]

Do they have a problem? So these are their problems!

[win]

Do they have a problem?

If the problem can be solved for money,
it’s not a problem, it’s a cost

[Giant thought]

Until there is a mass supply of SU-57 to the troops, all this remains out of the realm of talk, and in order to confidently resist the American aircraft engine, at least 50 of our SU-57s are needed.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Thought Giant

and in order to confidently confront the American aircraft engine, you need at least at least 50 of our SU-57s.

And why didn’t you please the SU-30 and SU-35? Really, there is really no reason to wait for deliveries in the next 5-10 years ... large purchases will be in small batches. During this time, all the shortcomings of the 57th will be eliminated, during the course of military use, and the price of this product will be optimized.
Moreover, the arsenal for the SU-57 is not fully prepared and tested. For the next 5-10 years, the SU-35 will become the main heavy IFI.

[NN52]

Giant thought

Well, if you say, the American aircraft engine ... Then you need at least 200 Su 57 and 500-800 Su 30 and Su 35. and I don’t know how many Mig 35 ...
You are our special ..... aviation ...

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: NN52

Giant thought

Well, if you say, the American aircraft engine ... Then you need at least 200 Su 57 and 500-800 Su 30 and Su 35. and I don’t know how many Mig 35 ...
You are our special ..... aviation ...

You are mistaken. None of this is needed. Enough 20 "Governor". 80% of the US population whisk away quickly, reliably. The rest will restore the country from the Stone Age, having lost diapers, iPhones and all that they are used to. Remembering why the neighbors built a wall on the border, the Mexicans will guard it for their part.

[Satanator]

Enough 20 "Governor".

that's it! therefore, the supply of Sarmat on combat duty is more important than the mass production of 5th generation flyers

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Satanator

Enough 20 "Governor".

that's it! therefore, the supply of Sarmat on combat duty is more important than the mass production of 5th generation flyers

And how can you resist the 20-fold advantage of the budget of only one country? Only asymmetrically.

[Jackyun]

Wah! How so? A year ago, they fought in the epilepsy that the Russian T-50 had nothing to do not just with a 5th generation airplane, but with an airplane in general, and the F-35 was a divine creation.

[Grigory_45]

The publication notes that the best aircraft in NATO is a multi-role fighter Eurofighter

to the number of authors of the article! Dismiss all editors to hell! How is the F-22 and F-35 not the best?
In general, every sandpiper praises its swamp. You read such experts, and marvel at it. If you do not know that this is just lobbying. Nowadays, some countries (like Germany) are still in thought - either to buy Eurofighter (they advocate for it in the Luftwaffe), or an overseas “Penguin” (they defend it in the Ministry of Defense)

[Herman 4223]

And what is dangerous then? They are not yet there.

[rotmistr60]

"NATO has problems ..."

As far as I can remember, NATO always had some problems. Either with the USSR, and now with Russia, then with China, then with someone else. And specifically the United States, as the main member of NATO, did not come out of these problems - the Korean War, the Vietnam War ...

[Alex-a832]

NATO and its member countries have the biggest problem - NATO. It's like: "The greatest threat to US national security is the two square miles that the Capitol and the White House stand on."

[faiver]

bredyan , the plane is not in service, but NATO already has problems

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: faiver

bredyan , the plane is not in service, but NATO already has problems

The United States has 22 and 35 in service. But we have NO problems about this. It seems to me that we are in a winning position. Do you disagree?

[Alexey-74]

What is the problem of NATO and the USA because of the Su-57 ??? And the problem is the existence of NATO and the United States ...........

[mvg]

Why publish such articles ?? Enough of delusional material from local authors ... and in the press.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: mvg

Why publish such articles ?? Enough of delusional material from local authors ... and in the press.

I am not affected by the problems of LGBT people. And I'm not on these forums. Maybe if you are not interested here, you will go to a place where your feelings will meet understanding?

[mvg]

You need to draw about what you know professionally. This forum is not for 10 year old patriots. And not a newspaper article about "about anything." Water on water ... not a cent of information.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: mvg

You need to draw about what you know professionally. This forum is not for 10 year old patriots. And not a newspaper article about "about anything." Water on water ... not a cent of information.

It’s strange. Forum of lay people. Chatting about things that go beyond the edge of their understanding. Waiting for someone to copy TTT products here. Yes, only talkers here and place. Thirsty to look into the keyhole is not the place.

[NN52]

Vkd dvk

I think you will disappear from here tomorrow.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: NN52

Vkd dvk

I think you will disappear from here tomorrow.

Sleep well. Nobody will touch you. Nobody needs you.

[mvg]

You definitely didn’t get there. And they hardly read at least 10 articles on the forum. There are both professional military and professional technical specialists. You should draw in the Murzilka magazine. Your audience is definitely there ...
A chat in the evening is a pleasant thing ...

[Kent0001]

They still want to learn the dough from the budget. That's all.

[Aleks2048]

The article is definitely about nothing. A clear minus.
But in essence, how did the SU57 scare NATO or the United States? The SU57 is not accepted for service. And it’s ridiculous to believe that the next 5 years will be accepted. The airplane itself is raw. This year they will receive only the installment batch, next year, God forbid, they will break it in, another year there is likely to be something to improve. And there micro-parties will begin to enter the troops. How long this will last is a big question and only then it will be possible to talk about the planned large-scale replacement of the aircraft fleet in the Russian Aerospace Forces. By the way, which SU57 planes are being replaced? What place will the SU57 take upon itself? In general, what is his concept of future combat use? So after all, Su 57 was not conceived as a killer of the Raptor or F35. And if it’s their killer, then he, like a plane, can win one-on-one with them, but quantitatively he lost to them in the net before they could be born. I'm not talking about losing to generation 4 aircraft.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Alex2048

But in essence, how did the SU57 scare NATO or the United States?

They create horror stories for themselves, and then they are afraid of them. In addition to the image advantages on the Su-57 arms market, Russia will not give any military advantages, at least in the next decade. The main danger for NATO here is technology itself. For example, the same engines of the second stage can easily be delivered to China and other countries applying for the creation of 5th generation aircraft. And this is a serious competition for the F-22 and 35.

[Monster_Fat]

The meaning of the Contra Magazin article is "just .... give money" .... [Quote] [/ quote]

[Zomanus]

Well, firstly, we don’t have this plane yet.
What flies is test samples.
Secondly, we have a more formidable weapon,
the same cruise missiles. And they really are and are used.
So the authors are afraid of the wrong, the wrong ...

[Snakebyte]

Quote: Vita VKO

They create horror stories for themselves, and then they are afraid of them.

They are not afraid.
The hype about the “threat” is inflated specifically so that politicians do not have questions - is it worth financing promising defense programs if there are no opponents even with current technology? This is what their approach differs from the domestic one. "We have no analogues, seven are bent in one fell swoop. In the near future, there are only engines left, to design radars and missiles, then we need them ...".

[Skifotavr]

The publication notes that the best aircraft in NATO is the fourth-generation multi-role Eurofighter fighter, by the way, against which, according to the author of the material, even the American F22 Raptor has no chance.

Another nonsense.

[Skifotavr]

Well, certainly not Eurofighter.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: dorz

Russian Su-57 created problems

The message is that several hundreds of modern NATO planes at the border are not a reason for the Russians to be in turmoil.

The plane has not yet been put into service, but it’s already a problem? What will happen when it goes into operation, albeit in a limited number? Panic ?????????? Or another reason to click on the taxpayer so that he would fork out?

[Kisso4kin]

And where are the facts?

[Nuclear fuel station]

An article on the fun of militaristic patriotism. While Russia will produce at least 30 production cars, in the west the 6th generation will fly. But nothing, we will call our plane a generation of 5 ++++++++, and we will compare our trash with big uncles, as you like it.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Nuclear gas station

An article on the fun of militaristic patriotism. While Russia will produce at least 30 production cars, in the west the 6th generation will fly. But nothing, we will call our plane a generation of 5 ++++++++, and we will compare our trash with big uncles, as you like it.

And they are already flying. And all are completely invisible. But, for that, widely paid by the allies, mainly idiots from NATO. And nuclear fuel stations

[Nuclear fuel station]

We laugh at the stealthamm, and we are pushing ourselves to try to make our Puk-fak and Pyk-Dak. So yes, the technology is useless ...

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Nuclear gas station

We laugh at the stealthamm, and we are pushing ourselves to try to make our Puk-fak and Pyk-Dak. So yes, the technology is useless ...

The smart one differs from the stupid one not in the system of thinking, but in accents placed on the main features. Stupid goes in cycles on one. The smart man weighs a lot and chooses the most suitable option for combinations of useful properties. go ... from, not understanding the differences in approaches, trying with his monkey language to be noted as an expert.

[Vladimir SHajkin]

Woke up.
The fact is that the SU-30 and SU-35 have already created problems for them, and the SU-57 is a value that is generally unattainable for now.

[Nuclear fuel station]

It can be seen by shot down dryers. And according to the latter - one cannot achieve what is not