State Duma: I bought a gun - put on a special vest

The State Duma of the Russian Federation is developing a bill that will oblige to wear special vests or distinctive signs of the owners. weapons. One of the developers of such a bill is a deputy from the “Fair Russia” faction Oleg Nilov. AT interview "Parliamentary newspaper" parliamentarian said the following:

Once a person took a pistol with him, he should be designated so that everyone around him knew about this fact, so that the police and security officials could see him, who could check at any time whether a citizen meets all requirements.

According to Nilov, law enforcement officers of Russia wear uniforms and corresponding insignia, and representatives of a number of security agencies and civilians who (owners of firearms) in Russia are “hundreds of thousands”, “walk with weapons and have no right to denote this fact” .

The deputy head of the faction “spravorossov” in the State Duma notes that the owners of firearms will need to wear either a bright badge (token) or a vest “that they wear during a hunt.”

The deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation spoke about a total ban on carrying weapons in any form of public transport and other public places:

For example, a person with a weapon in no case can not be intoxicated. He must not take weapons to public places, places of entertainment, or to transport.

Nilov also announced work on a bill prohibiting the carrying of knives (cold weapons) with a blade more than 5-6 centimeters.

Nilov:

Knives that carry out most crimes are dangerous edged weapons. But carrying such a weapon is not a crime, and hence permissiveness, which today is the main cause of stabbing.

Comments

[210ox]

Why sell it (a gun) at all ... Has anyone died a little lately? A "The knives that carry out most crimes are dangerous cold weapons. But carrying such weapons is not a crime, and hence the permissiveness, which today is the main cause of stabbing. "these reasons lie in a completely different ...

[siberalt]

Is it possible to get a "decal" instead of a pistol?

[Shurik70]

The best concept for carrying weapons by civilians, in my opinion, was proposed by the writer Zlotnikov.
Create nationwide shooting clubs. It’s hard to watch that the mafia doesn’t crush the clubs. Allow weapons to club members only. In clubs, regularly (once a half year) pass exams on the possession and care of weapons, presenting their weapons. The main idea is that only those who can handle them can have weapons, and the government should know all owners of weapons. It’s illegal for a non-member to own a weapon

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Shurik70

The best concept for carrying weapons by civilians, in my opinion, was proposed by the writer Zlotnikov

The book "Empire: Armageddon" This is not a book, but step-by-step guide on the development of the country. True with elements of fiction.

[LiSiCyn]

Read the introduction? As for the participation of the author of the book, in something similar to the plot ... I read the book about 12 years ago ... One of the best “alternatives” produced ... I would really like to live in such a country ... It’s a pity, that everything will end, a nuclear war ..

[faiver]

we have the main mafia is the state

[LiSiCyn]

"And, when in one savings bank during an armed raid ... A female policeman who came there to get the children’s, grabbed her ID, and shouted," drop your weapons to Azla, otherwise you don’t live "... She detained a group of armed bandits. The country understood that she has changed .... "Roman Zlotnikov. Would that be so?

[bk316]

Would that be so?

It will be possible, but nuclear war is inevitably attached to this.
Zlotnikov put it on the shelves.

[LiSiCyn]

Many times, I caught myself thinking that events in the world are developing according to this book ... Well, if you discard all the fiction ... So, that ... Recently, I began to teach my son what to do in a nuclear explosion ... I was taught. They, for some reason, are not ...

[bk316]

Someone, not Zlotnikov anymore, said that the only state form capable of resolving MODERN CHALLENGES BEFORE MANKIND.
is supranational state with strong power and personalized supreme responsibility Actually, this can be considered the modern definition of empire (not to be confused with the monarchy)
I completely agree with this.

[LiSiCyn]

Well, this is the USSR !!! From the moment Stalin came to power until his death ... And we again return to why we still respect Stalin.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: LiSiCyn

we still respect Stalin.

Speak to yourself, you are our Stalin ...

[LiSiCyn]

If, personally, you do not respect Stalin, this does not mean that everyone thinks so ... My ancestors were reprinted ... Germans from the Volga ... But if not for Stalin, with his "iron" hand .. This country would not exist ... Since, I am a patriot of my country, you can consider me a STALINIST.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

[quote] LiSiCyn if not for Stalin, with his "iron" hand ... [/ quote]
Then yours were not [quote] reprinted ... [/ quote]
And if he would rule the country from another ten years, then [quote] [This country would not exist ... / quote]

[Antor]

You can immediately see the city .... create clubs for him, so that only club members can have weapons ....!
Bullshit!!! But what about those villages, settlements, farms, etc. that are tens or hundreds of kilometers from the nearest cities .. !! ?? Where and the ambulance then gets, if not by helicopter, then with difficulty, if not even at all! ??? Can they all be left there without protection both from the beast, and from two-legged bandits11 ???

[Cadet]

In our permit, while the queue is deferred for the exam, while you pass it, you can shoot yourself there. .

[Observer2014]

siberalt

Is it possible to get a "decal" instead of a pistol?

We can. Everything is possible with us. Even come up with this nonsense as a special vest.
Well, so that for sure everyone around knows that he has a gun and the bandits also let them wear without taking off

[73bor]

Or you can use a special baseball cap with a cutout on the top - to make it easier to crack on the head, in my opinion, they haven’t come up with anything stupid over the last year!

[Irbenwolf]

Flashing orange light ... Danelia still offered ...

[Anarchist]

Good morning Dmitry!
Here I am, just a supporter of the sale of the short barrel! But not wearing it, but keeping it at home! And of course, a supporter of the revision of laws on self-defense and protection of housing! And then all evil spirits climb home, rape, kill, And you can’t do anything to them! And if you do, then you will sit down!
And carrying along the street is already superfluous!

[elenagromova]

So after all, in the doorways, the gopot will attack - and so what? And weapons at home

[Anarchist]

Quote: elenagromova

So after all, in the doorways, the gopot will attack - and so what? And weapons at home

You kindly invite them home!

[Nemesis]

elenagromova Today, 06:41 ↑ New
So after all, in the gateway of the gopota will attack - and so what? And the weapon is at home .... / And there is nothing for people like you to answer. A gun at home will not help you. It’s time to drive the violent from the thought to the neck, because they do not correspond to the position and cannot offer anything reasonable ... But on the account of the revision of the law on self-defense, I fully support it. It is time to abolish the restrictions of self-defense, and blame the attacker ...

[vlad66]

For example, a person with a weapon in no case can not be intoxicated. He must not take weapons to public places, places of entertainment, or to transport.

These squires will be executed especially zealously and get drunk and go to the movies with a gun and scare the taxi driver.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: vlad66

from these rules the squires will execute especially eagerly and get drunk and go to the movies with a gun and scare the taxi driver.

And after that they will go to prison with the same pistol? Have you seen a lot of people scaring a taxi driver with a smooth-bore?

[san4es]

Quote: elenagromova

... and weapons at home

... Self-propelled "remedy" for gopota:

... until the "trunk" has not been equated (may carry a bag)

[Grandfather]

Quote: Anarchist

Good morning Dmitry!
Here I am, just a supporter of the sale of the short barrel! But not wearing it, but keeping it at home! And of course, a supporter of the revision of laws on self-defense and protection of housing! And then all evil spirits climb home, rape, kill, And you can’t do anything to them! And if you do, then you will sit down!
And carrying along the street is already superfluous!

than a carabiner then you didn’t please? necessarily a "short barrel"?

[Anarchist]

I have two shotguns at home in a disassembled condition ... In the safe! And the cartridges are separately in the same safe under the key! How long will it take me to bring the guns into combat?

[Grandfather]

Quote: Anarchist

How long will it take me to bring the guns into combat?

for the barrel under the pillow, you will also "fly" .. also need to be kept under lock and key. and make a normal safe so that the gun is not disassembled?

[Anarchist]

So along with the law on weapons and storage rules change! In principle, an assembled and loaded gun would suit me perfectly!

[Nemesis]

Cartridges yes, are stored separately, but it is not necessary to disassemble a gun ...

[Deck]

And why does the ZOO not suit you? Read - be pleasantly surprised.

[igorka357]

Charged is prohibited, disassembled ... well, there is no such thing!

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: igorka357

Charged is prohibited, disassembled ... well, there is no such thing!

That is true.

Weapons and cartridges belonging to the citizens of the Russian Federation must be stored at their place of residence in compliance with the conditions ensuring their safety, storage safety and preventing unauthorized persons from accessing them, in lockers (locks), safe cabinets or metal cabinets for storing weapons from high-strength materials or in wooden boxes lined with iron. The internal affairs bodies at the place of residence of the owners have the right to check the storage conditions of the weapons registered by them.
(in the edition of the Government of the Russian Federation from 08.11.2014 N 1178)

point 59 of the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of 21.07.1998 N 814 (as amended by 17.05.2017) "On measures to regulate the circulation of civilian and service weapons and their ammunition in the territory of the Russian Federation" (together with the "Rules for the turnover of civilian and official weapon and ammunition on it the territory of the Russian Federation "," the Regulation on the maintenance and publication of the State cadastre of civil and service weapons and their ammunition ")
http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_19
504 /

[Foundling]

Have you read the law 150? There is no such prohibition there. I always have to send an SCS with a full store. Together with the district police, they read the Federal Law 150, and was also surprised that it was not forbidden. And in a car with a full store without a cartridge in the chamber in the case, it is also possible !!!!!!!!!!

[Huumi]

organs when I even checked the gas I was asked if there was a cartridge in the chamber, I’m grue-no — they checked — everything is okay like

[igorka357]

I think nothing more than breaking the door for intruders, and it’s enough to warn them that you collected, charged and will shoot! Or do you have a plywood door?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: igorka357

I think nothing more than breaking the door for intruders, and it’s enough to warn them that you collected, charged and will shoot! Or do you have a plywood door?

They survived))) But not so long ago there were times when the doors to the house were propped up with brooms or sticks, the keys were under the floor mats, the traveler could knock on any house and ask for an overnight stay. Shotguns were sold in an ordinary store from the age of 16 and without any permits. And now? Iron doors, safes, armor plates and helmets. Do you want to die? - Knock on an unfamiliar door and guaranteed to be stuffed with shots. Oh times, oh morals

[Simargl]

Our school had a shooting range, but there were no rifles (only pneumatics).
They dragged TOZ-8 from the neighboring one (about half a kilometer).
Covers were not pulled on, shutters - sometimes they hid in their pockets, sometimes they didn’t even take them off. No one has ever dug. 1991-1993 ...

[Danash I]

Dear, similarly, but 23 years earlier. In a tram, with a military instructor. He, in PortFele, has a training TT and a gun. In his hands, only in class. On Zarnitsa, sergeants from part of the explosives taught to shoot from AK, threw explosive packets. There is no limit to squealing and squealing, there is no limit to delight They taught us to fight with the enemy, not with society. And now, everything is for your safety laws, cameras. Like in America. Divide and rule is the basic law of modern rulers. And in my opinion it won’t bring any good. Although .... maybe someone will not agree.

[Simargl]

The funny thing is that the presence of small arms in the population is not dangerous for the authorities, because if the crowd takes up the trunks in their hands and goes to the "administration", they (the crowd) will simply be swept away by heavy ones.
Moreover, some former allowed the short-barreled and nothing happened. Moreover, when the polls were conducted (whether to allow it or not), the majority (especially women) spoke out against (all shoot each other).
I think if the short-barrel is allowed, especially if there will be necessarily hidden wearing, in a couple of years people will be viciously afraid of looking at each other, everyone will become polite.
...
Conclusion: those in power want us to be evil

[210ox]

Alexander, good morning. I partially agree with you. But you can keep hunting weapons at home ... Anyway, weapons that you didn’t need to be kept in the safe at home, and the time to put them into action in case of a threat is approximately the same. Only the hunting effect “Saigi”, its appearance already has a stopping effect. A gun .... No, I wouldn’t keep him at home.

Quote: Anarchist

Good morning Dmitry!
Here I am, just a supporter of the sale of the short barrel! But not wearing it, but keeping it at home! And of course, a supporter of the revision of laws on self-defense and protection of housing! And then all evil spirits climb home, rape, kill, And you can’t do anything to them! And if you do, then you will sit down!
And carrying along the street is already superfluous!

[Anarchist]

Dmitry, my friend, I answered there a little higher!

[210ox]

Sasha ... Last year, I almost knocked over one halfwit with an ax ... And without a gun .. He ran away in time. He laid the drug ... Apparently someone saw and took it. And then I clean the garbage over the fence he went, weed the grass .. So he began to throw threats at me saying that I took his "property" and figured it out ..... At this "parser" the heels sparkled when I removed the cleaver from the workshop ... I'm still waiting ... When you have to take your head off ..

Quote: Anarchist

Dmitry, my friend, I answered there a little higher!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 210ox

The heels of this "parser" sparkled when I took the cleaver out of the workshop.

Dmitry, here's an example for a short barrel.

[igorka357]

That's the whole problem, that when three or five come to you and the couple have at least injuries, your cleaver will not help you!

[Simargl]

I am not against the short-barrel, but if only one comes, with the aim of harming you, even the trunk will most likely not help.
Especially if they will threaten not you, but relatives.
Especially if the villain is a professional.

[tracer]

So there is a shooting on the spot of the most inveterate criminals and all .... the mechanism of purification of society. It is he who works in the states. And do not recall the mass shooting. There would be more if not for citizens with weapons around.

[igorka357]

You rave, statistics are publicly available ... how many law-abiding citizens have saved their lives, and how many scumbags are felling people in the USA, plus the police have the right to shoot without warning if they reach your pocket! You will remember that the attacker has a surprise factor!

[Simargl]

Thugs bring down people in the USA ...
Firstly, it is inflated by the media - the lobby works there too. And statistics are, almost always, classified information (fragments of crumbs give us).
Secondly, we also have a lot of trunks in our hands. However, there are relatively fewer incidents.
Thirdly, there are a significant number of cases - not with our own weapons, but we also have our own Belgorod shooter.
Fourth, if the police stopped you, you are a suspect. Do everything so that the suspicions are removed (do not show off).

[Esoteric]

Quote: Anarchist

And carrying along the street is already superfluous!

I completely agree with you regarding the law on the inviolability of the home and the right of the owner to protect it from illegal entry with firearms. But I do not agree in the sense that you can not carry traumatic weapons. The law on its application should be such as to exclude the possibility of harm to the health of a citizen by aggressive people and animals. If a dog of a fighting breed pounced on you, then you will understand, as well as in the cases when several people try to prove their drunk rights to a completely unauthorized person who finds himself out of sight.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Esoteric

If a dog of a fighting breed attacked you ...

... and you are still alive - this is very strange.
Normally educated "fighter" does not respond to people. From the word "in general".
To do something for a trained “fighter” with the help of an injury ... well, a flag in hand, an injury must be worn in the teeth for this. Constantly.
Against a dog, a shocker is more effective, oddly enough.

Quote: Esoteric

... in cases where several people try to prove their drunken rights ...

Someone kicks you to them? They got to understand - do not cry, and so - under normal conditions there are polymers for this, and the phone is in your pocket.

[igorka357]

You can see what kind of “special” you are in fighting breeds, the fighting breed reacts to the owner’s command, and not to the object that is in front of it! But that’s not the point, the point is that there are a lot of pits, suits and iniks now ... they don’t trained in battles and skills, it's just a fighting dog living at home, and it is not uncommon for owners to consider them weapons!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: igorka357

fighting breed reacts to the owner’s command, and not to the object in front of her

You are a theoretician, hike, and confuse pedals "fighter" from the service. The fighter reacts precisely to the object. The fact that he is also able to obey the owner - it is, as it were, implied.

Quote: igorka357

the fact is that all sorts of pitas, mastivs and inics

Special, tell me who a "mastiv" is.
At the same time, look at the dog on my avatar. To really make sure of yours, ahem ... "special".
This miracle has already hit me as adults, a year + with me, problems ... not revealed

[igorka357]

And who told you that I’m special? I didn’t write this .. and if I have a Porshe Cayene engine on my avatar, it doesn’t mean that I’m special on this engine .. ! Why should I tell you about these “horses”, I don’t like them, and I don’t know much about them .. And your adage implies that if a dog stands opposite, the “fighter” will throw himself in any case, but only at the command of the owner, such a bullshit, a fighting dog will tear a person with no less frenzy than the same fighting dog, your opus is utter nonsense!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: igorka357

And your dictum implies that if the dog is standing opposite, then the “fighter” will rush in any case, but only at the owner’s command

It doesn’t “mean at all”. Read, never, um, it’s too late.

Quote: igorka357

such ravings

In-in ...
"Mastiv", damn it ... combat, damn it

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Esoteric

The law on its application should be such as to exclude the possibility of harm to the health of a citizen by aggressive people and animals.

What is it like? Can I have an example? After all, bullets in an injury are not identified by a bullet-shell.

[igorka357]

Why, you’re wrong, as soon as someone bursts into my house with cold steel or firearms and threatens my life and the life of my family, I have the right to kill him .. and if I have a family at home, then no court you will not be imprisoned .. don’t need to dissemble and groan our justice in black!

[f4b2]

And here. And no.
The madhouse here is exactly what it will plant, and very easy.
How many stories, when the owner and family were already cut, he pulled himself out, killed the robbers,
and then they planted him.
How many stories in the summer cottages, when they ruin everything insolently, rob, and when the owner, unable to stand it, overwhelms someone - they plant the owner.

Nilov, of course, um ... Everything is clear with him. It happens. How many are Nile. Knife 5-6 cm. And why not one and a half - two. And this is the deputy ...
Our deputy.

[Danash I]

Our deputy. Quotation marks missed (because they have their own world)

[igorka357]

Well, and how many such cases, two or three ... it’s just interesting to write about it, but about the fact that the defender was acquitted, it’s not interesting!

[f4b2]

Find such cases?
With acquittals?

[Wolverine]

I completely agree with this, and from this we must begin, the protection of the home and family is paramount.

[Topotun]

In general, at home and the usual smoothbore is sufficient. Why is HOME a short barrel? The same Saiga 410K is quite compact. A short-barrel makes sense precisely as a weapon of self-defense, when worn outdoors. As for any signs - stupidity. Reason for a criminal to get a "left" weapon. It is necessary either to allow wearing without any signs, for the responsibility for the application is all the same on the owner. Or do not vomit and say to hell to you. The government prefers to see people unarmed ....

[Reserve officer]

The Duma is the Duma. They enthusiastically discuss small details, but at point-blank point they do not see the main thing.
The craving for any trunk among the population is in the hope of self-defense, since none of the law enforcement agencies will protect you at the right time. They will arrive after the crime, they will take pictures and outline the corpse with chalk. Everything.
But here is just what is the point in general in the sale of weapons for self-defense, if their practical application is impossible. The weapon can be an ax, a kitchen knife, or a simple stool. But only in 99% of cases the court will not be on the side of the defender, they will attribute the excess of defense. The practice of the courts only confirms this.
The most important thing is the normal law on self-defense, when an attacker or a person entering a strange house is a priori wrong. So that a person can protect himself, family, and home, without risking being guilty. And in the Duma, instead, they prefer to condemn the badges and color of vests.

[igorka357]

The government is against a people with short-barrels, there is an army, there are tanks and planes! No need to carry a liberal blizzard!

[Viking]

Some kind of crap. "For home, for family" is quite enough and now available semi-automatic smoothbore.
Such

[bk316]

Such

It's all pretty, recently shot from this. Compared to a sniper gun, everything flies where you need it.

[bk316]

a home storage

Well, why HOME a short barrel, a house to defend a long barrel is much better suited. Surveying for confined space is a killer thing.

[Same lech]

Why sell it (gun) at all ...

According to statistics, people die most of all from household items (rather than weapons) ... knives ... axes ... stools ... champagne bottles ... you won’t even kill with a frying pan.

Let’s ban, following this logic, all objects that can harm a person ... down with a plug ... down with irons ... down with soldering irons and stoves.
As a result, we will live in a stone age setting.

[Doliva63]

"Let's ban by following this logic all objects that can harm a person ..."
So they already started it - penknives, for example, as in the article. Soon all muzzles will be forced to wear and walk with their hands up!

[Esoteric]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

According to statistics, most people die

In accidents, from drug use, and from accidents (fire, drowning, electrical injuries, etc.). A large number of suicides.

[Same lech]

In traffic accidents, from drug use, and from accidents (fire, drowning, electrical injuries, etc.)

I mean criminal statistics ...
the question of death of people from other causes is very extensive and requires a detailed and careful consideration ... dangers await us at every step.

[f4b2]

Add more than 13000 fatalities to car accidents.
And to prohibit cars larger than 5-6 cm in size does not occur to anyone. Which is strange, huh?

[Vladimir1155]

hedgehog forgot to ban wrenches, mount axes, sticks for the lame, and all sticks in fences ......

[K-50]

Quote: 210ox

Why sell it (gun) at all.

At the time of the last tsar, pistols were on sale, but no mention of "lawlessness" with it came to us, except for revolutionary terrorists. Moreover, all officers were required to carry weapons and pistols including.
Maybe the whole thing is to foster an appropriate attitude to weapons and their use in civil society?

[Starover_Z]

Quote: 210ox

Why sell it (a gun) at all ... Have the people died a little lately?

The deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation spoke about a total ban on carrying weapons in any form of public transport and other public places:

And the deputies to ban bodyguards and vehicles with flashing lights!
Let them create a normal life in the country, otherwise they write that they will wander into a muddy head, the people will complain, but they are immediately scared!
The parasites are stuck! Live among the people, like everything and then forbid or allow!

[bogart047]

in your opinion, it’s better for the police to come and cover the body with a sheet than to give ordinary people the opportunity to protect themselves? This is the logic ... Either put a policeman on everyone, or give the opportunity to protect yourself from bandits, including in uniform.

[RGC]

You carefully look at the sets of kitchen knives. Then you will understand that the developer of the law is an unwise person.

[Theodore]

Better then immediately armored!

[Same lech]

The idea is good ...
such a smart guy with a bright vest and weapons came into a dark street ... fuck him with a brick on the head ... neither weapons ... nor money ... nor armored vehicles then in the owner's pockets.
Our deputies are so smart ... such scientists ... just the head of the mind chamber.
Madhouse two ... and not the State Duma.

[astronom1973n]

Having such a Duma and enemies of the country is not necessary. One law is more delusional than another. Nothing more to do!

[Topotun]

For such decisions they should not be held responsible. Korotkostvol and so the civilian population does not wear - is prohibited. Private security company and so on duty on duty ..... No need to answer. Beauty! The work is directly visible with the naked eye. Hard workers damn it.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Our deputies are so smart ... such scientists ... just the head of the mind chamber.

- This is a special topic. Mad money get, not earned! And the activity must be depicted! That's perverted ...

[Esoteric]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Our deputies are so smart ...

They were never ours. They are on their own. There of ours was Vasily Shandybin and a couple more ...

[SPLV]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

fuck him on the head with a brick

This will be the first scenario. Mr. deputy is clearly lobbying for the interests of crime. The presence of a vest is the same as the inscription on the forehead of "everybody smack me on the head with a brick". The first reason to increase the mortality of gun owners, and then the complete prohibition of weapons. Zeks as regulators of the circulation of weapons.
And in stores they will sell products only in sliced ​​form. Better yet, generally prohibit cooking, eat only in public catering. Indeed, according to statistics, the greatest number of murders was committed with a kitchen knife.
5 cm for the knife. This is the most suitable size for opening your own veins.
Indeed, there are canine children among deputies of deputies. Work as slaves for the benefit of the masters, and whoever does not agree to be a slave - die!

[Letnab]

[quote = Same Leha] The idea is good ...
such a smart guy with a bright vest and weapons came into a dark street ... fuck him with a brick on the head ... neither weapons ... nor money ... nor armored vehicles then in the owner's pockets.
and here the hooligan, by law, after mastering someone else's pistol, is obliged to wear a vest, like he does everything according to the law ...)))

[flicker]

such a smart guy with a bright vest and weapons went into a dark street ... fuck him with a brick on the head ... no weapons ... no money ... no armored vehicles then in the owner’s pockets

Experienced people are sitting in the Duma: they can advise on such a case before entering the “dark street”, throwing a grenade at the beginning, and then ...

[tchoni]

representatives of a number of security agencies and civilians, who (the owners of firearms) in Russia “have hundreds of thousands of,” “go with weapons and have the right not to indicate this fact at all”.

But I, sinful, believed that the short-barrel in Russia is allowed ONLY for representatives of the authorities)))) Are we a “status civilization”?

[Uncle lee]

And two flashing beacons of orange color! And two “KU” from the oncoming bad guys!

[tchoni]

Quote from Uncle Lee

And two flashing beacons of orange color! And two “KU” from the oncoming bad guys!

Oh no, chatlan-patsak civilization has very clear and concrete laws. Although not always clear, but known to all. And here we have just the exact opposite. It turns out that there are categories of citizens who do not belong to law enforcement agencies, but who buy and wear a secretly short-barrel ...

[RGC]

And the reward thousands of trunks? For grandmas? Or "dating"? Take an interest in what departments can award citizens with weapons; you will lose your mind. And after all, nobody will ever see these lists of awards. And the author of the bill about OOP broadcasts. Only he forgot the abbreviation. The Russian Guard has already thrown the initiative, so that all the weapons of citizens (even in a metal cabinet or in a safe) locks on the trigger. Looks like everyone has their own small commercial interest.

[HEATHER]

What kind of nonsense are weapons in our country under a jacket? There are precedents, but this is criminality. Make a crazy icon on your badge. Nilov, did you at least understand what you drew?

[Same lech]

Nilov, did you at least understand what you drew?

Nilov urgently needs to undergo re-certification following the example of the initiative of driving schools with the rights of motorists ...
what stupid people are sitting in the legislature.

[HEATHER]

Nilov urgently needs to go through recertification with the help of a psychologist. In a tough form. Not camouflage.

[Simargl]

Quote: VERESK

psychologist recertification

Psychiatrist.
He is not nervous - he is violent.

[Doliva63]

"What nonsense. Weapons are worn in our country under a jacket? There are precedents, but this is criminality."
Yes, what are you! I personally talked with people like this deputy - they even have a gun holster on their anorak with the inscription Russia, and they wear it. They said that in the Government many have weapons. On what basis, did not ask. And he met several senior managers of Gazprom with pistols "under his jacket." And how many drunk militia majors, prosecutors, etc. have weapons under their “jackets”? Will everyone wear vests?

[HEATHER]

Will everyone wear vests? laughing Half the country in yellow manic vests! Well, I have a couple of trunks. Hunting, by law, in a safe! You don’t immediately pull out if that. Keys are also in your safe. Now you have to put on vests all over the country. Especially, Siberia and Far East.

[SPLV]

Quote: VERESK

Half the country in the promising manic yellow vests

How can one not recall the Block:
"In the teeth of a cigar, they’ll take a cap,
Another ace of diamonds on the back. "
And then there will certainly be a state of convicts and guards.

[RGC]

Have you heard about the initiative of the Russian Guard with a lock on the trigger?))) See, someone bought a batch in China))

[Max von adelheid]

"... Nilov announced the work on a bill prohibiting the carrying of knives (knives) with a blade of more than 5-6 centimeters ..."
Pencils, pens, lighters, umbrellas, belts, etc. too soon banned? And what? These are archaic objects in skillful hands !!!

[Grandfather]

Quote: Max von Adelheid

Pencils, pens, lighters, umbrellas, belts, etc. too soon banned? And what? These are archaic objects in skillful hands !!!

and a credit card you can strike up your throat ....

[Max von adelheid]

Fir-trees ... In vain mentioned! My wallet is just the weapon of mass destruction!
PS And a little more ... the oscilloscope and multimeter probes are already for samurai! For the wire + pen + needle ...

[HEATHER]

Fir-trees ... winked Wasted mention! Mnda-ah. New in self-defense. In vain revealed. Although not funny.

[Esoteric]

Quote: Max von Adelheid

My wallet is just the weapon of mass destruction!

Why is there a wallet? What about socks?

[Simargl]

Judging by obscurantism in the country - laugh until a complete nightmare has come.

[RGC]

Such? such?

[raw174]

Two questions:
1. What kind of vest should hunters wear? My father has been hunting since childhood and I, accordingly, don’t wear any vests ...
2. Who should still wear it? If I took my Saiga to the city for a walk? or Danila Bagrov, when did he go off to kill? Korotkostvol then you can’t buy in my opinion ...
Comrade is thinking something wrong .., pah! Mr. deputy.

[Grandfather]

Quote: raw174

1. What kind of vest should hunters wear?

"green" as drivers ....

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Dead Day

green "like drivers ...

No orange ... Like in a mattress, and not only there ... In the Kal.region, beaters 100 pounds, I don’t know the rest

[faridg7]

Quote: raw174

1. What kind of vest should hunters wear? My father has been hunting since childhood and I, accordingly, don’t wear any vests ...

Ayayayayayay, why are you so substituting huntsmen from your hunting estate? The season has long passed, and you are not in the know. Red vest with retroreflective stripes, and that’s all, both beaters and arrows on the numbers. And yet, here is morality, it is forbidden to move in the woods with a loaded gun, even on the chassis. I saw the beast, charged, shot.

[raw174]

Quote: faridg7

The season has long passed, and you are not in the know.

We still have a season, a ticket to the fox is relevant until January 31.

Quote: faridg7

Red vest with retroreflective stripes, and everything, and beaters and arrows on the numbers

Not only rangers checked us more than once, but they also didn’t say anything like that ... Maybe it’s regionally regulated? ..

Quote: faridg7

And yet, here is morality, it is forbidden to move in the woods with a loaded gun, even on the chassis.

Also for the first time I hear ...
Apparently, you need to update your knowledge so as not to get into the glade ...

[faridg7]

Maybe regionally,
They refused to go hunting, there would be no sense with such requirements, but they were preyed with the prey only thanks to the knowledge of the area and regular shooting training (the team was efficient)

[Simargl]

Quote: faridg7

It is forbidden to move in the forest with a loaded gun

It is enough for self-loading to turn the shutter in order to transfer it from the charged state to the charged one.

[faridg7]

Even if there is no cartridge in the chamber, but it is being supplied from the store, it is necessary not only to distort the shutter, but also to throw off the feed limiter. This is the click of the feed and the clang of the shutter. Will you plug the deer for this time? It’s clear that with a rifled one you can also get a beast from a decent distance, but not everyone has it, and in the forest (in any case in our region) it is simply impossible to shoot further than 40-50 meters (well, if you don’t shoot for luck through to a rustle on rustle, as mountain hunters do)

[Simargl]

Keep the shutter lag? You can pull the shutter quietly, put it on a delay, make it, reset it from the delay, bring the scope (which will fail when the shutter breaks) and shoot. The last three actions are less than a second.
And on which barrel does the feed limiter turn on automatically?

[faridg7]

MP-155 Rusich. If there is no cartridge in the barrel and the bolt is not closed, the cartridges cannot be loaded into the magazine; after the magazine’s equipment, the bolt can be pulled out, but the cartridge will be ejected, but since there was no shot, the bolt will not delay, accordingly, a new cartridge will not be delivered from the magazine and the shutter will close the empty barrel. And the new cartridge will not be fed from the store even though the shutter is pulled. In order for the shutter to delay, you need to press the feed limiter button, while a new cartridge is fed to the feeder tray and when the shutter is pulled, it will delay, but the feed tray will toss the cartridge to the barrel. (So with a half-fed cartridge and walk in the woods with an open shutter? no, thank you) But then, the most interesting thing is, if you don’t shake the gun or turn it over from the delay, the cartridge will not fall out of the feeder tray, of course, but after removing from the delay the cartridge will be stuck. Fun. In general, a reliable machine, but the Izhevsk people, when they did it, did not count on bullying in lawmaking and paper-making.
And by the way,

Quote: Simargl

The last three actions are less than a second.

In this situation, you will shoot at the fleeing beast (do not flatter yourself, the deer has an instant reaction), or at least start from you. You get into the liver, you will have seasoned meat

[Simargl]

That's why AK-shaped are popular ...
Then you need 155 for the left-hander - the left shutter is easier to pull.
So, I think, take a chance to take 156?

[faridg7]

Well, I go to my booth with 28g, and I’m 156 inertia and she has a 32g limit, there’s no way to stand at all, and even with heavy cartridges it doesn’t reload, but on the hunt it’s a big minus.
But in general, we were very distracted from the topic.
According to the theme, these ur.ds instead of putting in order the law on self-defense, they think how to complicate the life of those who decided to defend themselves. We were previously taught how to distinguish an armed person among people, but here they want to relax the security forces to the fullest extent, they can not strain the hemisphere in this direction, which means that a person with an illegal trunk will feel himself at ease on the street.

[Foundling]

Where is it forbidden to hunt with a cartridge in the chamber? The hunting rules are the same for everyone.

[XII legion]

owners of firearms will need to wear either a bright badge (badge) or a vest "that they put on the hunt."

Even when the weapon is in the safe - are you in a vest?

[Same lech]

Even when the weapon is in the safe - are you in a vest?

Always and everywhere in a vest ... it's like a label to the Jews in the ghetto ...

to the toilet in a vest ... to bed with his wife again in a vest ... to public transport in a vest ... in the subway in a vest ...
My God, you start thinking stupidity and human stupidity has no limits.

[SPLV]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

human stupidity and stupidity

Meanness.

[Fox]

level of intelligence of the State Duma ... that is to what level still need to lower the education!

[HEATHER]

intelligence level of the State Duma. Sliding to the State Department? I didn’t want to, yes, “WOULD” interfere.

[Berkut154]

Mlyn .. we have everything upside down. The gun for defense is specially designed for hidden wear !!! The advantage and effectiveness of the application is surprise for the enemy. This time. How many inadequate injuries are worn around the country? These are two, and about the knives: 5-6 cm is enough to kill a person. Therefore, all guests from neighboring countries buy them in batches and always carry with them. These are three.

[Doctor Evil]

Tsak! Into the nose. To everyone. Bodyguards and field investigators too. They are without uniforms and with service weapons. Whatever happens.

[anjey]

“Once a person took a gun with him, it must be identified so that everyone around him knows about this fact, that he is seen by the police and security forces, who could at any time verify that the citizen meets all the requirements

what kind of DB does this come up with, all operas on special tasks that would be seen from far away by bandyugan and especially civil suckers with trunks that can be potentially taken away from them, the effect of the weapon is more often triggered by the appearance of surprise rather than by cowboy shooting ...

[Orang]

Criminals and thugs will measure the knives with a ruler: "Oh! This one is longer than it should be, you have to put it off." Terrorists, probably, do not know that machine guns and explosives are prohibited for private individuals, MP Nilov would personally tell them and terrorism, as a phenomenon, would not happen.

[rotmistr60]

either a bright badge (badge) or a vest, "what they put on the hunt."

Honestly, sometimes it turns back from deputy initiatives. Everyone wants to go down in history and leave their mark there (no matter what). Isn’t it easier to tighten the rules for acquiring weapons, to exclude the possibility of getting honey dating certificates, to take real exams when obtaining permission, etc. It’s time to make a proposal to mark the deputies not only with their badge, but with a bright vest (or rather pants), so that from afar it can be seen that the “servant of the people” is coming and going and the people have managed to make “KU”.

[SPLV]

Quote: rotmistr60

mark deputies not only with their badge, but with a bright vest (and preferably with pants)

Lapis on the forehead the letter "D". But what does it mean - a deputy or an idiot, let the oncoming voters understand.

[Monster_Fat]

And me (sitting in the USA estimate- in the USA -all owners of "trunks" in the "yellow robe" go-to differ-gee-gee ) The initiative of your "smart-smart" -mutate, like it. More such initiatives are needed, for example, for those with a long member, they also need a distinctive badge- "it can be dangerous for the opposite sex." To the one who “served” - also the “distinctive sign” —on he was on the “zone”, you never know what “got there”. And there must be mandatory badges "I'm for Putin!" all "zaputintsev" and badges "I'm for Navalny!" or "I'm for Grudinin!" and pr-nedo to distinguish them in real life, suddenly you’ll say something wrong with your fists .... Or a “shameful badge” - “I didn’t pay for the housing and communal services!” - than not an “idea” ..... What scope for "legislative initiative"! Not really, I adore your Duma. for sure, truly the people have those rulers whom they deserve ....

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Monster_Fat

I love your Duma

Where do they go to the United States with their "regional laws".

Washington
The law, designed to reduce the number of crimes, states: “Any driver who has criminal intentions must stop at the entrance to the city and inform the head of the police about them by phone.”
It is against the law to apply a polka dot pattern to the US flag.
West Virginia
Male citizens are allowed to mate with any animals whose weight does not exceed 18 kg.
Indiana
It is against the law to open cans with firearms.
Everyone knows that the pi is 3,1415 ..., but in Indiana the pi is 4.

Enough, or else?

[Monster_Fat]

Well, this only proves once again that the “wise-wise” are full on either side of the oceans ... We have “parliaments” older — your experience is only gaining experience, but, apparently, it’s going the “right way” ... But to me, it’s true, your Duma gives a lot of pleasure ... Do you still have my, in the past, my favorite show, “Parliamentary Hour”?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Do you still have my favorite past, “Parliamentary Hour”?

BMP I don’t watch a hawk once.

[Monster_Fat]

Well, the "hour" can be set aside for an introduction to how you are going to, plan to "live" in the future, so that you don’t be "surprised" then .... Can’t you even read the "Parliamentary newspaper"? But what about the "new legislation", "legislative initiative" and all that? I’m reading it “forcibly”, when flying to the USA and back, it is offered in the cabin. I find cognitive.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Monster_Fat

"forced" I read, when flying to the United States and back

My "flights" are limited to a commuter train. In the morning and evening. In it ... you don’t particularly read, so I will say.

Quote: Monster_Fat

... to get acquainted with how you are going, plan to "live" in the future, so as not to be "surprised" later ...

I don’t give a damn who is there, whom and what is going to. To surprise me ... hard

Quote: Monster_Fat

Don't you even read the “Parliamentary newspaper”?

Nope ... the Internet is enough as an "informant".

[Nemesis]

This Nilov does not correspond to his position, because his stupid proposal completely contradicts the requirements for the hidden carrying of weapons, which is mandatory in many countries of the World. A man with civilian weapons is not a policeman who has special physical training and a partner and distinctive clothing will make him a target for criminals who want to take possession of weapons

[Herculesic]

You need to make all kinds of badges massively, a gun, if you have one, a knife, an ax, a pitchfork, a mortar, put on a badge, and everyone can see! You can go further - cigarettes for smokers, item number 2 for maniacs, a bottle for alcoholics, and a squirrel for them too! Make different icons, large and colored, so that you can see it from afar, and the holder of the weapon or dog will only buy and put on the right one!

[Romulus]

Quote: Herkulesich

-Has put on a badge, and everyone can see everything!

Exactly, I decided on a gop-stop I found a terpill with a badge - a pistol and you are armed, it is much easier than attacking a police outfit or guard for weapons - look at the statistics you’ll get

[Doliva63]

PPC! Who votes for those whom the filter does not pass ?!

[Prisoner]

What really is there. Let's immediately shave the yellow star on the chest or head half. You can have a hat with a propeller. All for their relatives in spirit are worried, suddenly a bandit will run into an armed layman. And so everything is visible "do not go there, go here."

[demo]

The State Duma of the Russian Federation is developing a bill that will require the wearing of special vests or decals of the owners of weapons. One of the developers of such a bill is Oleg Nilov, a deputy from the Just Russia faction.

I thought for a while, and then I amused myself.
It’s going to be fun.
There is such a lady, all of herself, in furs and in an orange vest over a fur coat.

[Alex_59]

Quote: demo

There is such a lady, all of herself, in furs and in an orange vest over a fur coat.

And you can color helmets like oilmen. Green helmet - you own weapons for less than a year. Orange helmet - experienced. The red helmet is the boss.
It will be very impressive.

[Maki Avellevich]

State Duma: I bought a gun - put on a special vest

nonsense! - I bought a gun, hang it with a belt!

a free person who does not have psychiatric pathologies should rather be required to have a weapon.

[bald]

I didn’t read it - he’s not smart (raise to the hundredth degree). And it’s not necessary to prove anything, and these are the ones that we are debuting.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: bald

these are the ones that are being debuted by us.

With democracy, there will be no other!

[bald]

Good afternoon, Igor. This is not even the point. Everyone understands that it is not a legal trunk, or legal one - having permission, or not - if he does not need these pendants, he will spit on them (specialists, crime). It is an obligation to pay people who have legally weapons, money (a little bit to the treasury) in their pocket while in power, through the manufacturer, who will also be satisfied. The scheme works for a long time and the examples are in sight when the next, stupid law comes out. This deputy is a pawn in the chain, it’s not difficult to trace where the next scam comes from.

[Senior manager]

Mr. Nilov approached the issue of kitchen knives with extreme laziness. I did not look for modern statistics, but not so long ago, the percentage of murders and heavy bodily kitchen knives was about 30, which is why it offers nonsense, and this is contrary to the law and by-laws on weapons. Separately, it must be said that practically an axiom is an attacker, someone penetrating somewhere is the initiator of retaliatory actions and should always be guilty. Exceeding the limits of necessary defense is not a legal term - it is some kind of fairy tale that allows a true criminal to evade responsibility by shifting blame on, in fact, the victim. And under our judicial system, quite a lot of people sit innocently. IMHO.

[Monster_Fat]

Why not ban ..... "hands"? After all, they kill almost always with “hands” ....

[sgr291158]

It is unclear what kind of weapon is implied. Injury is also a limited-range firearm. It will also be subject to these requirements. Only the siloviki, military, specialists, and so on and so forth can wear a combat one, in general, who is allowed to do this. Any citizen who has reached 18 years of age who is not registered in the fool and drug addiction can be injured. And what's the point of isolating a man with weapons from the crowd so that everyone sees that he has a trunk. And do not you think dear deputies that this can provoke some individuals to a feat in the form of selection of weapons and their further use for criminal purposes. What nonsense are you talking about or do you have nothing more to do in the Duma. We have problems in the country above the roof that need to be addressed. Take the same pensions, prices for utilities, gasoline. What can I say, it means if an opera walks with a barrel at work, it needs to be singled out, but what about in some cases conspiracy. In general, you are talking nonsense.

[koksalek]

Deputies will also wear a vest?

[slavaseven]

Ahaha Nilov, stop

As the author of the initiative, deputy head of the Just Russia faction Oleg Nilov told the Parliamentary newspaper, the bill proposes that firearms owners be obliged to record the use of weapons on video recorders starting from the moment the pistol is removed from the holster

Under the starry sky of a dark gateway, sparkling with a yellow vest and badge, citizen K. warned the attacking gopniks that he would now turn on the camera in order to fix the legitimacy of the defense and give a warning shot in the air. Despite the law, the far-sighted citizen K. cut the fly in advance.

[Romulus]

Quote: slavaseven

Despite the law, the far-sighted citizen K. cut the fly in advance.

Gee - smiled. Didn’t the injuries show what a shooter is in the hands of priests? And give it to you still fighting - I laugh and cry mdya ... the deputy herself has a rating. and then even though the grass doesn’t grow, but thank God sane people are in power.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Romulus

Didn’t injuries show what a shooter is in the hands of pri.durkov

Not. Most owners of injuries do not perceive it as a weapon, but only as a continuation of the fist. Yes, and the bullet from the injury to the trunk (to the point) can not be sewn.

[Romulus]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Most injury owners don’t take it as a weapon,

So that’s why I call from fools ... how many batches on the roads? Yu-tube bursts from this video, but how much is left unrecorded?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Romulus

how many batches on the road?

With a firearm this will not happen, legal owners of weapons are very responsible. After all, take statistics for the same USA - mostly illegal trunks shoot.

[Romulus]

Quote: Ingvar 72

After all, take statistics for the same USA

The mentality and enforcement of laws is different .. alas and even ah.)

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Romulus

Mentality

The mentality is worse there. With any cataclysms, a large part of the population rushes to loot. We and in the same Europe this is not.
And the enforceability of laws can be achieved with us, there would be a desire. And on the contrary, we are accustomed to optionality. Take the same traffic rules - The speed limit is 60 km / h, and the punishment is from 80. We are legally encouraged to break the law. For the violator himself will be more loyal to those in power who violate the laws.
And the authorities give an example - remember the situation with the May decrees.

[Alex_59]

It is necessary to oblige deputies to wear feathers like those of the American Indians on the head. As a hallmark of "especially smart."

[vonWolfenstein]

That's right, the holster on the belt and it is clear to everyone who is in front of them. Holster yellow, a la Mauser))

[Monster_Fat]

Once again, the dude who offers this, in fact, “cooks the head” —he (or who is lobbying through him) already, go ahead, go ahead with this business and “production capacities” - “cut” the loot in production and the implementation of these "decals" ...

[Pacifist]

This is not an initiative, this is complete nonsense. The meaning of carrying a weapon is precisely the secrecy of its carrying. To mark the presence of a weapon on a simple citizen is like drawing a target on it.

[Brigadier]

It seems that our "chosen people" do not sleep day and night, they only care about us! They are poor people who care about us. The initiative with a 5-6 cm knife was especially pleased, so that no one would stab anyone.
Table knives will soon be banned, they are so big! And if anyone needs to cut bread, then visit the public cutting room, where on the table there will be one table knife, chained with a chain and a policeman next to him so that they do not stole the knife. He stood in line, sliced ​​bread and rejoice. But everywhere quiet and smooth. And people will no longer be cut with knives.
True, they will already be cut with axes, saws, awls, etc. .. but most importantly - not with knives, because our "chosen ones" protected us from knives! And you say that the Duma does not think about us ...
And perhaps soon the next "representative of the people" will come up with yet another concern for the safety of the people - to reduce the length of the teeth of the table fork by a factor of three, or whatever happens ...
They do not knowingly get their salary! They care about us!

[X Y Z]

In my opinion, round and square are confused here. The only question is whether this is done intentionally or unknowingly. A knife with a blade larger than 5 ... 6 cm is not necessarily a melee weapon. There are other criteria established by law, and kitchen knives, in fact, in most cases exceed these sizes. And they commit the majority of crimes.

[Azazelo]

Nothing to do with this SR. They sit inventing some kind of garbage imitating political activity. Drive dorogoids into the neck.

[trophy]

Mr. Nilov is raving, however. He himself needs a badge on his forehead that he is inadequate and just do he have a certificate. Who only chooses them in the Duma?

[Monster_Fat]

Who only chooses them in the Duma?

"You" ... (meaning "Russian people") .....

[trophy]

No, it's managed without me. It looks like he is a nominee from Kashchenko.

[Monster_Fat]

The “victory” always has a lot of “fathers”, and the “defeat” .....- “no, it's not us” ....

[ROM1077]

what are you right brother

[Gardamir]

I don’t get it. We have the best president of the millennium. We have created the National Guard under the American model. Every day they write articles about the arming national guard. Attention is the question: if everything is so good, then why should people arm them? And if not, give me a machine gun and I’ll go take the Duma, where the nonsense sit.

[Monster_Fat]

Who is this "people" arming? Arming the "new oprichnina" ....

[abrakadabre]

He must not take weapons to public places

Is the street a public place?

Nilov said he was working on a bill prohibiting the wearing of knives (knives) with a blade of more than 5-6 centimeters.

That is, in the household it will be possible to buy a kitchen knife, but it will be forbidden to bring it to the house. You won’t be able to take it even from the counter. After all, a shopping center is also a public place. And moving with a knife bought on it can be qualified as an article. Yes, even in dinner sets, knives have a longer blade.
It remains to ask this h (m) blow, how does it relate to forks, scissors, sewing needles. Let him take a closer look at the shoe - it’s a much more powerful kick in it. Also, all people need to chop off their hands. Because "in Russia, "hundreds of thousands", "go with ...fists andby which most crimes are carried out, this is a dangerous cold weapon. But carrying such a weapon is not a crime, and hence the permissiveness, which today is the main reason ..."

[faiver]

in my opinion it is necessary to deputies of the State Duma once a half a month for a month to settle in a special closed camp without the possibility of communication with the outside world and feed them this month in the amount of the minimum wage, maybe then the brain will be added so that they do not deal with stupid things at work
it’s a pity that they won’t elect me as president - they would have grabbed at me the grief and deputies and government officials, but what a saving for the budget ...

[Kelwin]

Nilov also announced work on a bill prohibiting the carrying of knives (cold weapons) with a blade more than 5-6 centimeters.

Well, then what? You can also do things with an awl or a screwdriver, will we also forbid them? But just for thought, if the teacher had a lady's fart in her purse, would she have received 17 stabs? Yes, at least some shocker ...

[Aleks2048]

Good day. The more I read the comments, the more porridge they have ... There is hunting, and about safes, and about knives ... And not a word about the main problem - about the concept of self-defense in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation about the concept of harm done during the detention of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. But it is precisely in them that lies the reason for the desire of people to have weapons, and it does not matter which knife, hunting, sports or combat. It is possible to adopt laws on the circulation of weapons as many as you want, you can write down them almost by family name who can own the weapons, you can write them down almost by the minutes when you can carry weapons. But all this does not matter, because society is afraid of the use and use of weapons, and they are linked to self-defense and the limits of harm during detention.
And here it is probably necessary for the state to honestly admit, and to society as a whole, that the state in the Russian Federation only wants to cut money from citizens and not answer for anything, but to society that it suits a small fee in the form of taxes, fees, duties, etc. in exchange for the fact that the state doesn’t particularly care about society and regulates little. Then don’t touch it and you can find more examples, but only those that are on the surface: 1) there was a tax police, it climbed to the disgrace of our business, which did not want to live by the law, but it was nice but apparently it didn’t give out bribes , now it has been abolished, and taxation has become declarative and, in fact, the regulation mechanism of the same stop valve has also been transferred to private banks, 2) the police had a department of private security (PSB) guarding state objects and private property (apartments, shops, etc.) n.) and there was a duty to protect public order in the streets, that is, in fact, these were additional patrols that could draw up a protocol, now in fact they were equated with the PSC in practice at the same time and removed the protection of public order. 3) there was a registration of ownership of the real estate object, now the state actually gives a certificate of extract and, in fact, is not responsible for its content. 4) there was a notary for which the state was financially responsible; now the state says that the notary is responsible with his property :) 5) they introduced unfinished liability insurance (it is obligatory for him to have a driver!) It turned out that the insurance companies are only ready to take money for insurance, but they don’t want to give it in insured cases, (but they don’t just don’t want to, but they want the state to go in the form of the traffic police to deal with the insured event and the court also told them what to pay) and when they told the insurance that they had to pay, crap started about car dealers and so on. 6) for some reason, in addition to justifying the replenishment of the budget for cars, state registration is left. 7) it is not clear that the car owner giving the inspection was also left 8) the actual conduct of hostilities in the Donbass and Syria (with the exception of advertising military equipment) with the help of PMCs, and for which the army generals of the state awards were given to themselves 9) in the future, paid medical care and responsibility for it states in the style of "all private medical funds are licensed, and then they don’t like to use their private business" 10) in the housing and utilities sector, the state generally shoved everything to private HOAs for the actions of which it does not materially respond, and charged citizens with the obligation to chip in a major overhaul. And the list is far from complete.
But back to the weapon. Reducing police officers, the state should incidentally report that in fact, removing patrol squads from the streets gives the go-ahead for street crime, and continues to take the money for police maintenance in the form of taxes in full. It seems like a simple way out of self-defense is to remove the proportionality of defense to attack, but it’s not so simple there will immediately be a mass of killings and causing serious bodily harm and citizens will defend themselves without exception. And with causing harm during the detention, there will generally be a mess.

[Aleks2048]

Something very long koment turned out ...
Well, okay, everything is as usual. The state as a whole generally admits that it is not ready to solve the problems of street crime, in fact it recognizes that it cannot solve the security problems in places of mass congestion (schools, metro, shops, etc.), but the state is still afraid to give weapons to the masses moreover, the mass of the population is not ready to pay the normal price for weapons. As soon as the purchasing power is equalized with the offer price, the weapons will be allowed with a lot of reservations so that corruption can be thinned to the limit.

[andrej-shironov]

What is there nothing to do there? Go work, servants of the people, also to me!

[Doctor Evil]

"A deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation spoke out about a complete ban on carrying weapons in any form of public transport and other public places:
For example, a person with a weapon can in no case be intoxicated. He should not take weapons to public places, places of entertainment, or transport. "Enchanting. Now a private security guard with weapons on a business trip should not leave. Because he shouldn’t. And let the hunters go on foot to their hunting facilities. No UAZs and trains. Nefig here.

[Dormidont]

I would like to know when the esteemed people's deputy Oleg Nilov visited a psychiatrist?

[Noct uf]

Knives are dangerous edged weapons. Like yes. But you can kill or mutilate with a stone with a pavement and a toothpick and even a teaspoon. Deny?

[Vladimir1155]

especially cobblestones must be banned throughout the entire territory of the Russian Federation, so many crimes happen from them! Oh horror ........, Nilov opened our eyes to the cause of crime!

[serriy]

deputy - to treat!

[f4b2]

The usual deputy madness.
How else to force legitimate owners. Well then.
where do they go then.

[Graz]

some stupidity, like many bills of the Duma in recent years, have taken idiots

[Vard]

My wife crippled two of the Tefal frying pan ... I suggest ... Make her wear a hat with the company logo ...

[Reserve buildbat]

What do they smoke there? Let's give everyone who has a large garage key, we’ll also attach special vests. But knives with a blade length longer than 5-6cm are generally forbidden, as are dangerous razors and nails / screwdrivers longer than the same 5-6cm.
Maybe it's better to ban this stupid talking room?

[Aleks2048]

If this is forbidden, then how will everyone know there is something in the head of the people's deputy or is he just pretending to be?

[Reserve buildbat]

I meant the ban on the institution of “deputies” in general. And then in the country there are almost millions of parasites who do not answer for anything, but they are healthy enough to live on our money.

[Aleks2048]

And they obviously do not smoke cigarettes there - excise taxes are expensive on them, but parliamentary immunity is free. Yes, and can’t hook the roof from cigarettes. :)

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: from article

Nilov also announced work on a bill prohibiting the carrying of knives (cold weapons) with a blade more than 5-6 centimeters.

I have about 20 knives in my kitchen, and they are all over 5-6 centimeters. How do I now buy knives and carry them home from the store? And if I need to transport knives from one apartment to another? And if I bought dishes and knives for my children, I temporarily put them at home, and after a couple of months I took them to my apartment, what should I do?
This deputy, who has nothing to do, should probably think about the restrictions on the purchase and movement of not only knives, but also forks, chisels, scissors, pruners, shovels, axes, forks and other crap.
Do these stupid people (developers of such bills) specially activate before the election?

[Vladimir1155]

I noticed that before the election, such stuffing became more active so that the people were more indignant and chose the bulk

[Vladimir1155]

conclusion, nil for bulk

[Glory1974]

The State Duma of the Russian Federation is developing a bill that will oblige gun owners to wear special vests or decals.

Another information dump to distract attention. A trillion dollars were stolen from the country, the article has 30 comments. But the owner of a short-barreled gun (which we practically don’t have) should wear a yellow vest. There are about two hundred comments.
Look to the root. Information war in action!

[bk316]

I am MUCH more interested in my own PERSONAL safety than the mythical total trillion. A trillion is not much, just 6000 bucks per person is bullshit to me, and 5 years in prison is a lot.
SO I'M GOING TO THE ROOT, like most of the people in this thread.

[Sergey Cojocari]

Do you want to buy a gun? Must buy body armor and a helmet! Knife? Chain mail! Give me two! Both this and that.

[Akela]

All thugs with trunks - their law is on the sidelines, but law-abiding ones are not allowed! Those who support this, support crime and lawlessness.
When a strong man with arms guards his home, then his property is safe (Gospel of Luke GL 11 ST.21)
Stalin was not afraid - many vintari had checkers in their homes, and children on the streets played with real weapons. Old people and parents told me. Hence - the culture of handling weapons, and less crime. And Khrushch, after they threw rotten tomatoes at him in Novosibirsk, took everything away, well, what, did it get better?

[Akela]

The Duma does not pass the law on passing the medical examination of civil servants. It is impossible to drive a car without a certificate from a Durkee that is not registered, but you can be a deputy. That is why there are half of the seizures.

[Akela]

All thugs with trunks - their law is on the sidelines, but law-abiding ones are not allowed! Those who support this, support crime and lawlessness.
When a strong man with arms guards his home, then his property is safe.
(Gospel of Luke GL.11 ST.21)
Stalin was not afraid - many vintari had checkers in their homes, and children on the streets played with real weapons. Old people and parents told me. Hence - the culture of handling weapons, and less crime. And Khrushch, after they threw rotten tomatoes at him in Novosibirsk, took everything away, well, what, did it get better?

[myobius59]

I propose to introduce a special identification headdress for State Duma deputies - Jester's CAP.
Although, of course. They are not jokes at all, and for my money they eat and drink sweetly, but it would be so NICE to see these scumbags in these CAPS. And point fingers at them, spit after them and say all sorts of interesting words...
Such a deputy is walking down the street. and the bells on his cap are ringing. This is joy for the people.
Although, they don’t walk the streets. and even on the roads the police make a “green street” for them.
Eh, dreams. dreams...

[Zomanus]

The man is this deputy.
The surge is not from permissiveness, but from the fact that a person knows
that he would be bought off or excused from prosecution.
Same gopniks, hit them in the face and they will immediately run to complain to the police.
And you will be to blame.
First, we need a clear law on self-defense/self-defense.
There needs to be a division based on benefits to society.
What if I punched a drunkard in the face who came at me with a knife?
so I didn’t have to explain it later. why did I harm my health?
a full-fledged member of society like me.
That is, they equate me with some kind of drunken license, fucked up...

[myobius59]

That's right, FIRST we need a REAL SELF-DEFENSE law, and only then the right to own short-barreled weapons. Even if at first without the right to wear, but only to store.
Otherwise, if the law on weapons comes out ahead of the law on self-defense, then the number of passengers along the route to places not so distant will increase by an order of magnitude. Do not forget that now the number of acquittals in self-defense is LESS than 1%. And then, people whose cases have received wide public attention in the media are acquitted. And thousands of other innocent people who defended themselves, their loved ones, and just acquaintances and strangers, from all scum, are trampling the zone.
But probably both of these laws will not be passed in our lifetime, and certainly not under this government and deputies. But this system still needs to be shaken, and lately more and more adequate, relevant materials on this topic have appeared.
Maybe things will slowly move from their dead anchor...

[f4b2]

No. It won't move.

Because the cultivation of slave ideology is the key to the people’s non-resistance to their constant humiliation.
Self-awareness and self-defense are inseparable qualities of an adult, healthy person.
Select one and you get biomass. Regular.

Yes, for example.
How do they treat an ordinary pensioner and a retired deputy? And look at how a deputy’s pension is calculated. And all other workers.

Do the math. How many deputies do we have per 100000 inhabitants?
Hm. And the same congressmen in the USA.

And the income of deputies is in relation not even to the minimum, but to the average salary level in the country.
...

[Antoxa iglinsky]

You are not entitled to weapons; you are not mature enough for such responsibility. They are not worthy, they themselves are afraid of it and refuse the right to own it. That is why such laws are being hatched. It is no longer possible to humiliate a person who considers himself a slave.

[lopvlad]

knives (cold steel) with a blade more than 5-6 centimeters.

The State Duma is full of people deprived of intelligence. You can’t even cut bread evenly with such a blade.
I propose to ban the wearing of forks, screwdrivers, skewers, women wearing shoes with thin stiletto heels and long and sharp nails, building rubber apartments and crawling in winter.

[Weyland]

Nilov said he was working on a bill prohibiting the wearing of knives (knives) with a blade of more than 5-6 centimeters.
Has he really gone crazy? Maybe, like in Okinawa, there is one knife for the whole village, chained to the table?

[gromoboj]

Didn’t he confuse chemical weapons with household services? or just according to the length of the blade?

[f4b2]

This deputy literally manages to do everything.
Wherever anything happens, he is right there, with his restrictive initiative.
Don't let me in. And that's it!

Just a list.
https://news.rambler.ru/person/nilov-oleg/

[Vladimir 5]

This proposal from the deputy is a clear indicator of the stupidity of the Duma. Weapons are carried in many countries and no one there for centuries has thought of identifying the owners of weapons with badges, flowers, jackets or anything else, so our Duma members came up with the idea... And what will such signs give - people will shy away, and the cool ones will take away those weapons from those designated ...

[tochila]

I suggest not limiting yourself to weapons!!! There are many other dangerous things - an axe, a hammer, a screwdriver, a chainsaw, etc.!! More big and not so big icons!!!

[gromoboj]

Dich. What about vests and what about knives?
Can you at least have knives at home? Or tear food with your hands?
And by the way, does this idiot know that most injuries with knives occur due to drunkenness and kitchen knives?

[Loki_2]

MOSKVITYANIN,
Another relative of the repressed for what?
The club of Solzhenitsyn adherents is not here.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Among my relatives there are no repressed people; Solzhenitsyn means nothing to me except as a writer...

[Loki_2]

I thought that the post regarding the Stalinists was something personal. Apparently I was wrong...