Superblits for Rashid Nurgaliyev

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The performance of the Minister of the Interior to the legislators in the Lower House of the Russian parliament was not easy. Rashid Nurgaliyev reported on the progress of the reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to the deputies. And according to the tradition that has developed recently, an official could leave the building on Okhotny Ryad under stormy, unceasing applause, but representatives of several factions at once conceived to test Rashid Gumarovich for strength and ask him “exam questions” in the form of a kind of re-certification. In the course of the minister’s responses, it was clear that Army General Nurgaliyev decided to demonstrate that State Duma deputies are one thing, because they seem to be chosen by a certain electorate, and by representatives of the Russian government, and he in particular is something completely different, because he is appointed by very special spheres .

After the speech of Rashid Nurgaliyev, the Russian public divided into two camps. Representatives of one of them took a tough stance about the fact that the current minister was alone with people who do not understand anything in the activities of the Ministry, and therefore are not entitled to ask the Minister of acute questions. Others, on the contrary, saw in the parliamentary hour of Nurgaliyev a certain sign of Russian democratization, when lawmakers representing the interests of Russian citizens could ask from any government representative about the activities of his department.

As far as Rashid Nurgaliyev objectively made the report, everyone can judge for himself, but it was obvious that any duty report for any Russian minister to the deputies is perceived as a kind of heavy duty that you just need to endure, stocking up with a few heavy tirades. Among such tirades, the Minister of the Interior was also a tirade stating that the reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs has just begun and that Rashid Gumarovich himself will not stop at what has been accomplished.

Indeed, it would be strange if the minister announced that police reform was already over and every single Russian now can feel a real relief from the fact that the re-certified police officers will now stand on guard against the interests of every citizen, your honor and oath. At the same time, the level of crime among law enforcement officers in Russia today doesn’t mean anything lazy. Literally every day there are reports that in one or another Russian region a “re-attested” police officer became a defendant in another scandal: from banal domestic skirmishes to crimes involving the use of weapons and obvious abuse of power. Naturally, this does not mean that before the start of the reform, the Russian representatives of law enforcement bodies did not allow violations of the law, but it was with the beginning of the comprehensive reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs that the public had certain hopes. Only then it became obvious that neither the declared re-certification, nor the change of the name of the department, which took away billions of rubles, did not become a panacea for impunity of law enforcement officers.
The essence of Mr. Nurgaliyev’s speech has been reduced to what has been done a lot, even more needs to be done, but whatever it is, criticizing the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs today is the last thing, because there are enough states in the world where police commit much more crimes than in Russia . Among such countries were Spain and the United States. This suggests that the chief guard of the rule of law in Russia is confident that neither he nor his department deserve the criticism that has been besetting them lately. The sharp rejection of Nurgaliyev caused the words of representatives of the “Fair Russia” faction that the Minister, with all his personal decency, must submit a letter of resignation, because his subordinates obviously do not cope with their duties. Rashid Gumarovich called such words a glance “through the prism of his own emotions and hotelok” by deputy Gudkov, which indicates that the minister himself does not see any personal guilt for the series of crimes committed by the police recently.

Now we will conduct our own analysis of the so-called first stage of the reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, without taking into account not the “own emotions” of the Duma deputies, not personal confidence in the success of the reform of Mr. Nurgaliyev.

So, the reform of the Ministry of Interior is in our country by leaps and bounds. At the same time, there is still no official report on how much this landmark event cost Russian taxpayers. Before the reform, several figures were voiced that should be spent on updating the image of the department. The former Minister of Finance, Alexei Kudrin, said that with his ministry 200 require millions of rubles, and this is only for carrying out, let's say, cosmetic reforms. State Duma Deputy Vladimir Vasilyev in 2010 year assumed that the total cost of the reorganization of the Ministry of Internal Affairs would cost the treasury 600 billion rubles. At the same time, the deputy Vasiliev said that even with such an impressive amount of investments no one guarantees positive results.

In other words, at the initial stage of the reform, the reform itself was seen as a rather risky enterprise, the positive results of which can be expected in the 50 / 50 mode. That is, the allocated colossal funds turn into fortune-telling on matches: was - was not. In essence, the citizens of Russia will be told that we and I do not have big illusions: they say you will only pay your taxes, part of them will be replaced by signs and re-certification, and the quality of work of the law enforcement officers themselves may not improve.
The first manifestations of reform are as follows:
change of signs, labels, plates, tokens and stripes;
the dismissal of several tens of thousands of employees who allegedly cannot cope with the duties assigned to them;
the appearance of personal weapons instead of empty holsters with police officers;
changes in the traffic police, including new rules for the passage of technical inspection of vehicles, which are in a suspicious manner outwardly no different from the old, except that the new price;
salary increases for the “remaining” employees;
the need to introduce yourself before forwarding to the site. And everything like that.

If this is the task of reforming the Ministry of Internal Affairs, then the report of Mr. Nurgaliyev looks quite acceptable. And the billions spent seem to be really aimed strictly at the points.

But does an ordinary Russian citizen have a case, what color does a chevron have for someone who has to stand guard over the law? Is it interesting for an ordinary person to know how much the salary of an Interior Ministry officer is? Will the information that police officers in the United States and Spain commit even more crimes than Russian policemen will reassure us?

Obviously, the proposed reform has lost touch with its immediate purpose - to increase the authority of law enforcement officers, to give people confidence that the representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs will defend civil interests. And if Mr. Nurgaliyev does not understand this, is there any point in requiring him to write a statement of his own accord? A person who believes that he is right, and if he is wrong, then see point one, it’s absolutely pointless to convince of his wrongfulness. As we know, not a single minister is responsible for the lack of professionalism and outright chaos of his subordinates ... He is above all this ... He is not elected, but appointed! And this means that we a priori have no right to judge his activities and the activities of the employees of his department ... We are entitled only to pay taxes and pay for any reform from our own pocket. Here is our right! And there is nothing here, you know, the minister to ask uncomfortable questions and interfere with his reform activities! ..
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  1. Igor
    +24
    April 16 2012 07: 47
    Rashid Nurgaliev reported on the progress of reforming the Ministry of Internal Affairs to the deputies.


    Reforms, reforms, reforms, all these reforms cause only laughter in almost the entire population of the country and it is immediately clear that all these reforms are being done through w ... y.
    1. +13
      April 16 2012 08: 07
      A good article is evil and largely objective. Personally, I see the reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in recognizing the veracity of revealing materials that appear not because of the reformed agency, but because of the restlessness of the journalistic fraternity, which we often criticize.
      1. +7
        April 16 2012 08: 24
        I agree.
        The article is relevant, albeit with emotions. Such a reform should be approached in stages and from several directions. At each conditional stage, weigh the correctness of the decisions made. And only then go further.
        And here all the money is not clear where they spent, but the "contingent" has not changed.
        1. 755962
          +7
          April 16 2012 09: 54
          The essence of the people remains, no matter what reforms it changes .. The moral law inside is stronger than the reforms.
          1. +5
            April 16 2012 10: 18
            Quote: 755962
            The essence of people remains, no matter what reforms it changes ..

            I agree one hundred percent! No matter how much halva you say, your mouth will not become sweeter. Similarly, in this case, the word "reform" is not a panacea for problems in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the problem is in the Ministry of Internal Affairs itself, or rather the people working there.
            1. +1
              April 16 2012 11: 52
              Where to find several hundred thousand crystal-clear "Uncle Step"? What the population is in the country, so is the police.
              1. ZUI
                ZUI
                +1
                April 16 2012 19: 48
                Now there is no "uncle Styopa policeman" - now "uncle Shefan-policeman" ((( angry angry recourse
            2. Vasilii
              +2
              April 16 2012 19: 39
              The problem is that the police (militia) at all levels and the minister personally are absolutely independent of citizens (taxpayers), and in the "ai" cursed on this site, for example, sheriffs are elected. For the rest of the Russian ministries and departments, the picture is similar.
          2. sazhka0
            +1
            April 16 2012 16: 04
            Exactly so ... The main thing ... What's in the soul
      2. -5
        April 16 2012 11: 53
        The media tend to inflate an elephant from a fly, while at the same time they do not notice positive phenomena.
        1. +7
          April 16 2012 16: 02
          Quote: Siga
          The media tend to inflate an elephant from a fly, while at the same time they do not notice positive phenomena.
          Where did you see them? As there were of them (cops) immeasurably, so it remained, as there was a cane system, and remained, As they covered all the profitable points, so they cover it. No wonder they say - cop is not a profession, it is a way of life. The whole result of the reform came down to the elimination of competent and correct cops, and there remained a rag-tag snotty, sometimes you look at the guardian and you want to howl. And the media for that and the media in order to expose all the rot of the system, and not write hurray-articles about the valiant defenders of law and order. And uncle "Step" should not be looked for, but raised from an early age.
          1. -1
            April 16 2012 16: 53
            And the difference is that I can walk at any time in my home district at any time of the day without risk of getting a face. And five years ago it was more restless.
            Of course, it is necessary to educate. It’s only necessary to start educating from the cradle, that is, when the crystal-clear specially raised Uncles Styopa come to the service, I will be in a deep retirement age winked and where else to get educators, because this is painstaking thankless work. Not like criticizing the media! wink
      3. sazhka0
        -2
        April 16 2012 15: 59
        I watched the "report" poo .. Like a little boy .. A FOOL .. And This is OUR "PRESIDENT".
    2. +4
      April 16 2012 17: 18
      what reformers are such and reforms crying
    3. +2
      April 16 2012 18: 21
      Igor, in addition to laughter, reforms cause frustration and a sense of hopelessness. How much money was wasted in vain and how much time wasted. How much idle chatter pours on us daily. And why is everything in our country through W @ PU ?.
  2. islandpan
    +7
    April 16 2012 08: 18
    we have for a long time all power torn off from the people, and they are truly indignant - how this society does not see the improvements that it (the government) has made (for itself)!
    1. ole
      ole
      +7
      April 16 2012 13: 10
      islandpan, Dear I wonder, do you remember how the great GDP said before the election that there would be no increase in the retirement age! Duck will not be with him as under the president, and today the parliament is discussing a bill to increase the pesion age in stages since 2013. and so everywhere if something is promised, believe the opposite. Reforms are used as a means of enriching a narrow circle of people, and the results are presented by the immaturity of society. For some reason, people are always to blame !!!!
  3. +9
    April 16 2012 08: 45
    Nurgaliyev’s report is one to one, with Putin’s report. Comparison of our situation with different countries, and with the conclusion that they are even worse, we are great.
    What a pop, such a coming ...

    Everything listed in the reform article is BAD full, all of this was so.
    Article +, but what's the point? ...

    Indeed, it is interesting how much money was swelled into this PROFANATION ....
    Although - but to the point, from this knowledge ....
    1. sazhka0
      -2
      April 16 2012 09: 41
      Laughing .. For a long time ..
  4. +13
    April 16 2012 08: 49
    Why reform the Ministry of Internal Affairs? What is its purpose of its implementation? Let a year pass, I still do not understand its meaning! I only hear that the policemen's salaries were raised, that somewhere in the department with the suspect they played a bottle, in another department a guy landed unsuccessfully with his foot on a bullet lying on the table, as in the third department who decided to show the police an elephant with the on the gas mask, forgot to remove the handcuffs fastened from his back, and did not remove his hands from the valve clamped in front, which ultimately led to his death. I hear quite a few things (and this is confirmed by video cameras) that the suspects themselves substitute the policemen - they beat themselves, no joke, with their heads against the wall, then to accuse the law enforcement officers, they offer bribes to policemen ... In general, despite the reform, I can assure all of us (I am not elected anywhere) that despite all the money spent, only the sign will change. And our communication will remain the same. We will really be afraid of our law enforcement officers, and not notice when they risk their lives in order to arrest the one who threatens us right now.
  5. Owl
    +3
    April 16 2012 09: 03
    There was no response in his speech to the real questions of the deputy Markhaev (a veteran of hostilities) about which bosses Zhitnaya appointed (two were taken away in handcuffs) and about the allocation of housing, material assistance to the families of the killed employees. What is the power, such are the results of "reforms", such is the work, such are the reports.
  6. Brother Sarych
    +12
    April 16 2012 09: 04
    To put things in order in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there is one very simple way - first to kick out and punish the minister himself, then go to his deputies, then lower and lower, until it becomes clear what needs to be done, and they can ask seriously for work, and they will ask for breaking the law ...
    1. Brother Sarych
      +3
      April 16 2012 09: 28
      Here on some branch they already wrote a wise idea - if a real threat of punishment hangs over the boss, then he will not leave his subordinates alone and will demand very strictly fulfillment of his duties ...
      1. dmb
        -3
        April 16 2012 10: 14
        Usually such thoughts are expressed by people who are far from realities. A similar idiocy existed and now exists in the army, which is mainly the reason for the concealment of crimes by commanders. Please tell me which manager will be interested in restoring order if, in the event of detection of crimes committed by subordinates, he is guaranteed to be punished. And so it will carry. Such wise thoughts are akin to the glass walls of cabinets.
        PS And in the outhouse of the regional departments will also install cameras?
        1. Brother Sarych
          +3
          April 16 2012 10: 56
          Nobody has yet canceled the Institute of Knocking - if the leader knows for sure that the cart will go to the top at any moment, or even where and after that it will be connected with sad consequences for his ass. then he will still think. to hide the misconduct of subordinates or indicatively punish ...
  7. Artur09-75
    +7
    April 16 2012 09: 09
    Cops remained cops. The change of sign did not change anything. How many police professionals are there now who solve crimes by thinking with their head, and not with bottles, gas masks, etc.? Very, very few. I paid a dachshund through communications, went to the police, got a ksiva and a trunk, and only a soft-boiled egg is cooler than it. The most lawless people in law enforcement are the cops. And the minister with a smart face, says something about some kind of reform. He should be ashamed of his subordinates, although when in Russia the government was ashamed. Oh, you can’t take your soul to the great and mighty on the site ...
  8. ZUI
    ZUI
    +6
    April 16 2012 09: 20
    I propose to conduct a quick survey of Rashid Gumarovich using improvised means, such as champagne bottles, a mop, a telephone directory, pencils, etc.
  9. -6
    April 16 2012 09: 32
    paying taxes is not a right. but a duty. this is to the last question of the article ..
    article minus
    1. sazhka0
      +1
      April 16 2012 09: 59
      Shit is always Shit ..
      1. +1
        April 16 2012 10: 10
        sazhka0

        An optimist will say that this is a useful substance, such as: manure, fertilizer, organics ... You can even hint about roses ...

        And for me, too -
        Quote: sazhka0
        Shit is always Shit ..
  10. sazhka0
    +1
    April 16 2012 09: 40
    As Was Bastard .. So it remained
  11. Alex63
    +11
    April 16 2012 09: 43
    Rashid gobbled up our money with you. With these billions, it would be possible to build hospitals for seriously ill children, so as not to carry them to Germany and Israel. It would be possible to repair or build new feldsher points in the villages so that the sick person would not go off-road to distant lands to get an elementary injection. A lot of things could be done. But Rashid, with our money, bred maniacs and rapists in their ministry who torture people in their police stations. It becomes scary. Each of us, being for one reason or another in the police, suddenly, it may turn out to be a cork for a bottle or a nozzle on a mop handle. The law, which is required to protect the cops, does not protect ordinary citizens. Why is beating a person and violence against him at a police station interpreted by criminal law as abuse of power? We have allowed some category of torture. You can beat, but kill is an excess? The Gestapo did not even think of such a thing. They mocked people there, but they were fascists, they had their own goals and objectives. And here our Russian cops do this. Willfully you think about it. Usually a person once experienced what he does with others. Maybe our cops also previously penetrated the ass with cuttings and bottles? And now they will test these methods on others. One can only guess about the mental and mental usefulness of those who serve in the police. And with all this, Nurgaliev remains white and fluffy in the eyes of the medveputes and their bosses from United Russia. Fearfully. Cops rape children, mock adults, get drunk and sober people on the roads, steal, roof a criminal business. In our city, 80% of prostitutes go under the cops. Illegal gambling business under the cops. In what other country is this possible? Only in Russia, where the president and prime minister, their colleagues from the ruling party, indicate their place at the bucket. Sit and do not rock the boat! It’s time for Nurgaliyev to be held accountable for embezzlement of public money. Putin had to be removed from the presidential election. Medvedev declare distrust. But our thought is not a lever for the efforts of the people to restore order in the country. March 4, we are about ..... whether the opportunity to come to a better. So we will endure the bullying of cops, theft of ministers, watch on television how government officials rest in tropical resorts for our money and in the kitchen complain about a bottle, but that’s it, but if only. Or maybe we set aside the glass and begin to restore order in the country? After all, we can do it. There is experience.
    1. Owl
      +2
      April 16 2012 12: 45
      The main thing is not to get to the civil war, Russia may not be able to withstand it.
      1. Alex63
        +6
        April 16 2012 13: 42
        This is what the medveput and those who drive them scare us. There will be no civil war. We will not allow this. But we must honestly and openly choose for ourselves the leader of the country, whom we will trust to manage ourselves for the period of his work (namely work). Choose without pre-election handouts, advertising pushing buttons on fake pipelines, speaking in front of specially selected and trained "representatives" of labor collectives in brand new overalls and an attack of graphomania, where the main candidate listed a list of all the problems facing the country, but did not tell the main one that he also had his hand in the mess that is going on in the country and how, after becoming president, he will call to account the presumptuous ministers (even those who have resigned, without a statute of limitations) who have ruined the army, healthcare, education, industry, transport, the military-industrial complex, the Ministry of Internal Affairs. How will it finally force the Duma to adopt amendments to the Criminal Code on the most severe punishment for corrupt officials, up to life imprisonment and confiscation of the property of the entire family of the perpetrator? How will the moratorium on the death penalty be lifted, and rapists, maniacs and pedophiles will smear their foreheads with brilliant green. As cops-rapists-murderers will be judged to the fullest extent of the law, and their minister will be demoted to the rank and file and dismissed in disgrace from the service, so much so that even a watchman could not get a job in some seedy parking lot. As governors and mayors, the people will nevertheless choose by direct vote without instructions from officials from United Russia who to vote for. How will they stop plundering and squandering the natural resources of Russia, giving them at the mercy of attached officials and oligarchs. A lot more about what the main candidate had to say, but the guts are thin. For him, power over the country is an end in itself, self-affirmation. He revels in being pulled out of the void and put in charge of a huge, richest country in which he feels himself imperious to rule its people, wealth, air, water, land and our souls. And I have the strength to say yes, I am to blame, no. There are no honest people in power and there will not be until we ourselves want it. After becoming president, Putin will quietly release all the wrecking ministers in peace, some even for promotion, and others will come in their place. And everything will go on as before. That's what's scary. Where is the exit?
        1. Owl
          0
          April 16 2012 16: 05
          From the upper echelons of power, they made a VIP feeder.
  12. sazhka0
    +2
    April 16 2012 09: 49
    Impression .. What's in the Country .. The fascists organized themselves .. Glory to Pu. .And MINISTERS .. pluses and minuses do not inter
  13. paanvl
    +2
    April 16 2012 10: 02
    Reduced combat training! No one to go out into the streets. But the headquarters divisions cut through half an hour !!!!
    Since the beginning of the reform of the paper, it has become a little more. Reports reports reports !!!!!!
  14. +4
    April 16 2012 10: 24
    The trouble is that the first exam in all educational institutions of power structures is PHYSICULTURA. They recruit 10 days for health and ask for the rest of the service in mind! Athletes do not have it. ... The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the UIS is rescued only by those guys who graduated not from specialized educational institutions but civilians. They are from the plow, the steering wheel ...: More-smarter office "oprichnichki" but they only have a school named after Dzerzhinsky, which used to train chiefs of frontier posts (I don’t know now) and the rest of the army from civilian universities. Here they are recruited according to the mind. Conclusion all these reforms are a waste of money. According to re-certification, the Russian factor affected (matchmakers, brothers, relatives passed re-certification) Those who did not have a pedigree and who pulled the strap of those were reduced.
  15. +3
    April 16 2012 11: 20
    The article is relevant.
    On the speech of Minister Nurgaliyev, I will say this: "The person on duty came, gave the duty answers to any questions raised."
    Given the measures taken under the name of the reform and the results in the form of raped, beaten, etc. we can say that the Ministry of Internal Affairs has fallen in the eyes of the Russians. One Mr. Sukhodolsky is worth it.
  16. -4
    April 16 2012 11: 31
    are you all ahah PROFILE IN QUESTION
  17. +1
    April 16 2012 11: 41
    While in simple comments and in ordinary conversation, they will spit saliva with shouts of "cops" and Garbage "- the confrontation in society between those who need to be protected and those who protect will not stop. If you look, in Russia only policemen steal, kill, rape .. ... and all the rest are “d, artanyans.” Now the one who came to the police (or rather, even to the police) from the same gate as the rest of the people.
  18. +2
    April 16 2012 11: 50
    oh well, all the saints are there, they live on honor)) you are telling them now, they won’t understand)

    They FSU that riot police primarily works in Chechnya. That without SOBR in 95 would be kapets)

    They don't care that every second of these "musars" has a part in the database

    Why yes then it is asked, they say - stupid cattle)

    Because the brain works in a primitive mode, not covering the whole essence of the problem issue.
    but how easy it is to hang up and shout - thieves, garbage, fiends.

    I wonder how many of those who unsubscribed above took part in the database, and were in a utopian situation - until they were covered by "MUSARA" with a colleague and riot police. Here, if you answer this question, everything will fall into place.
    1. +4
      April 16 2012 12: 16
      St Petrov

      I'll tell you a joke, you will understand, because your brain does not work in a "primitive mode" ...

      Extract from the medical history: "No mental illness has been identified. Simply - dumb @ k".
    2. +1
      April 17 2012 08: 18
      Almost right, almost ..... it was not up to OMON and Sobra to climb into Chechnya, all this had to be decided before the events, not to mention bad things about those who were (and many who read this site saw it better) in the answer anyway the leadership is the same.
      Units fought, and every second was noted ....... and there was no faith as the cops. So there are no policies ..... and this is reality.
  19. +1
    April 16 2012 12: 17
    there are ghouls in any profession, nation, and so on.

    So present for the profession as for the nation-a rather stupid and utopian idea.

    We need to look at each case.

    It's like spitting in your face. So think about it before writing a caustic comment on the department - which does not allow the establishment of anarchy in the territory of your state)

    Z.Y. You joked Z.A.M. I directly don’t know what to answer IT!) Have you laughed?) Over a joke?)
    1. 0
      April 16 2012 12: 36
      St Petrov

      Laughing is good ...
      How do you spit in your face, say ...
      So something like that is - I am a former opera. Only I don’t spit, but I turn away with shame, at the mention, but not of heroes, but of Nurgaliev and his "rIforma" request
  20. vostok
    +2
    April 16 2012 12: 19
    Nurgaliyev sat at his post, but while he was the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there were many incidents such as bombings in the subway, murder of journalists, Major Yevsyukov shot shoppers in the shop, frantic corruption (look at the houses and cars of the bosses), terrorism in the Caucasus, and the last case in Kazan, although such methods are used to get a testimony in any region, they spent a lot of money on recertification and she was right. In Europe, for one such misconduct, they are stepping down, while we all are sitting and holding on to a chair.
  21. 0
    April 16 2012 12: 21
    Well, if only you were smarter than everyone and explained what the resignation of a competent person would have changed, then I am ready to listen and accept your case if everything is logical.

    Will the police immediately consecrate themselves?)) It will get worse)) The deer will calm down)) Or will society immediately become a saint?)) What doesn’t have to beat m ** Dacians on the head in the menagerie? Or what?

    Or will you spit in the face of the police - and she will wipe herself and tolerate her emotions towards you?

    Okay to remove the head of the line department) But when to remove the minister, for the reason that in some wilderness in a monkey house a rapist was raped ...

    You were there? I am sure that I would love to go to him in the face. Surely he panosed the police. sitting then with the stars.
    So they explained to him why in this world. But the method is disgusting yes - but with wolves by wolfs.

    They will not just rape someone sitting with stars on their shoulders. Apparently, he felt like God and decided to tell the police what he thought of them. Hoping sacredly for his rights (the fact that he certainly didn’t remember a ghoul at that time, probably, he remembered that first of all he was a citizen whom the police should protect, even when he sent to ** uh.
  22. 0
    April 16 2012 12: 38
    well, there are plenty of such former operas and generals, on this site, who laugh at the reforms, agree?)

    the caravan is coming. dogs bark. Everything as usual. Initially, the reforms of Peter the Great were taken with hostility, and only after the passage of time did everyone agree that he was doing everything right) in the sum of actions.
  23. +7
    April 16 2012 12: 39
    s-t PetrovPartly agree with you partly not
    1. The whole country lives according to the concepts of only bodies under the law
    2. SOBR not the police but the AIS
    3. As the last time the database participants let me know firsthand
    4. The Governor himself put an ultimatum "I will fulfill your order in the UZ, but after 3 years I don’t get your graduates for free and don’t get money for money."
    5. Even teachers on the "Shot" courses bulge when you tell them that you can shoot from the PM in German (they have never heard of such a technique) And what about simple BSPs?
    6. According to the disclosure, the operas work on the path of least resistance (the window itself did not close ... didn’t the wife rest ... where the children were at that time ... etc. then it begins about the damage significant to you or not, or maybe insignificant! This is so that your business can be thrown into the inquiry and they will issue a refusal in 10 days. This, on the whole, creates the appearance of their unprofessionalism.
    7. I remember the times when the district police officer was not allowed into the case on his own until his district in the tests did not tell from the house numbers and ending with through courtyard passages. The questions were not only about living citizens, but for example, "How many pigs are kept on the site?" (This meant how much Soviet bread was bought for piglets)
    8. The young militiaman has not passed the third stage of vocational training yet and is already starting to wave to Year in the third - fourth, only "breaks off" begins to understand what he is for. That is why the reports contain a column of those dismissed in their first year of service.
    THE SYSTEM SHOULD BE CHANGED, NOT THE NAME.
    Previously, police were taken to the school only after the army, but now it has become an excuse from the Army.
    1. +3
      April 16 2012 12: 44
      Well, you're talking about ghouls, but agree in this department among 300 or how many people there are drugs, a sufficient number of patriots and the right people?
      who live by honor. and in every department I’m sure that there are such.

      Someone breaks the system, and someone bangs his head and does not give up. And he does his job perfectly and for a salary. First of all, my posts relate to such people.

      I don’t like that they grind everyone under one comb. And they pounded the minister) Well then, the GDP eats children. cho trifle)
      1. +3
        April 16 2012 13: 15
        That is why I am telling you the SYSTEM SHOULD CHANGE AND NOT THE NAME. the system breaks everyone and not a select few. In short, if you are interested, I’ll tell you how the authorities are fighting against the authorities in the pre-trial detention center: The thief is locked in the LAW. He yells "The guys do not listen to the administration, we solve all the issues through me." They support him. "The negatives" They start the jail "to rock" Actions: "The authority" is jailed. The first one to deny him who supported him is put to him. They begin to live together according to the concepts! And in terms of "Anu-ka straighten my shkonochka, wash my panties and socks" (it is forbidden for a THIEF to do this himself when there is a six in the cell). A week later, this one denied yelling, "Guys, I understood everything, I will just sit quietly, just change the camera. They take him away. They put him in another. Etc. Until the whole" business trip "calms down! TOE IS ATTORNING THE CRIMINAL WORLD NOT BY LAW BUT BY THEIR CONCEPTS
  24. -1
    April 16 2012 12: 55
    To enter the police school you have to pay 500 000 p. and pass the exams .. and after that you want everything to be honest ... or in the traffic police ... everything is also not childish there ... no, until they beat their grandmothers ...
  25. -1
    April 16 2012 12: 59
    What are you treating me?

    At first I entered the institute about which they told me - that there 1 exmen costs 3 cu, otherwise it didn’t - I was enrolled in the first year without straining and almost without nervousness.

    Then they spoke to me about driving courses. Everyone also talks about starting a business - until you pay, nothing will happen ...

    but this is all nonsense) I am sure that there were half a million who paid to enter the police school, but it seems to me that this is a brain tumor - no less.

    but I am also sure that the students in this school are so joking about such "applicants"
    that mom do not grieve, be in their place)

    I had 70 thousand "dukhanka in the hospital" in the army. You have no idea what happened to them when they returned to the location, dreaming of becoming elephants)))

    But you do not say that in the army everyone pays 70 tr to keep track of in the hospital.
    1. +1
      April 16 2012 13: 21
      excuse me just said that this year’s prices are two times higher ... and it’s not appropriate to bargain ...
  26. -1
    April 16 2012 13: 26
    )) OK. think so your right)
  27. snapshot
    +3
    April 16 2012 14: 58
    Quote: s-t Petrov
    oh well, all the saints are there, they live on honor)) you are telling them now, they won’t understand)

    They FSU that riot police primarily works in Chechnya. That without SOBR in 95 would be kapets)

    They don't care that every second of these "musars" has a part in the database

    Why yes then it is asked, they say - stupid cattle)

    Because the brain works in a primitive mode, not covering the whole essence of the problem issue.
    but how easy it is to hang up and shout - thieves, garbage, fiends.

    I wonder how many of those who unsubscribed above took part in the database, and were in a utopian situation - until they were covered by "MUSARA" with a colleague and riot police. Here, if you answer this question, everything will fall into place.

    and participation in hostilities allows everyone to have a bottle? hang up labels .... about 2 years ago in Primorye young guys went out with weapons and started shooting policemen in a row (it was their mistake), they ask what was such a reason to go for it? It is very important to recall this right now after the events in Kazan, because the incident was quickly forgotten and apparently will not be remembered. By this I want to say that there was a precedent and no one took measures alone.
  28. VALENOK
    -1
    April 16 2012 15: 44
    An article from a layman who has no idea of ​​the work of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in reality. The reform has not yet passed, it is just beginning, and it is too early to judge it. People working for the police are not from Mars, but representatives of our people from you and me, and when artificially using the media to separate the police from the people, at least the Police will never be able to effectively protect us if we don’t understand. that we ourselves are responsible in the first place, what happens on the streets. Yes, the law is not perfect, especially since everyone has their own concept of justice, someone lives according to the concept when it is profitable, the Society paid for the reform, the salaries of officers increased significantly, in contrast to the sergeants, who basically rake in the streets, and not they sit in offices, dragging pieces of paper, forcing the leadership to demand more work from the sergeant staff, who in turn have increased their workload, and they have lost support from the management, it’s easier to get rid of the subordinate than to help him, so the sergeant stopped making decisions in acute situations, which is bad for the whole service as a whole. When being evaluated at the discretion of the fathers of the commanders, it was abbreviated not pleasing, that is, lazy people or not decisive and those who for some reason were not pleasing, for example, those who could defend their opinions despite everything, by the way, these remain unshakable in an acute situation on streets, and this is not unimportant, believe me. The reform itself was really needed as soon as possible, to the Ministry of Internal Affairs the confidence of the people was lost every day, not without the help of journalists, and it took on the character of persecution, they forgot at the same time that there are quite a few people who serve in the authorities desperately for us fewer stuntmen, not only by their own lives, but also by the lives of their relatives, and all this until recently for 11000 rubles a month, so society has long been indebted to them, I mean the salary of a sergeant in the region, and not in Moscow. Until recently, they were literally begging, and this has gone back to the times when the Soviet government paid the police officers with galoshes, which in turn later changed to food in the market. But the main thing is that the police become more open to the people, because believe the ugliness and before it was enough, only now it has become more public to the public. So the Ministry of Internal Affairs will have to hold more than one blow in the near future.
  29. -1
    April 16 2012 17: 56
    snapshot,

    you just tell me a fairy tale now do not tell about the partisans of the coastal

    they did the right thing soaking these ghouls. They shot indiscriminately. Per form. And here you are blocking them. Are you awesome?

    Do you know what principle they shoot in the Caucasus? Also because of the shape.
    So between them you can draw an equal sign.

    In the meantime, there will be such "sympathizers" as you - this country will have problems with burning this evil spirits.

    Are you a human rights activist? Well you give a guy. I never would have thought that on this resource I would read such a HERESY

    And the reason they did it in their head was a problem in a brain tumor. Have you seen the interview of these uncomplicated? The same fighters, only the green and the losers. Scoundrel. How so. How old are you?
    Didn’t serve in the army? They didn’t shoot you because of what chevrons and buttonholes are on you? No friends in the police? Relatives?

    Or are you still after all that I wrote - you think that these ghouls are guys' norms?

    and about the database - if only they were not there. You wouldn't even exist. and that "sitting" would have been raped by Nokhchi in the doorway with a knife even earlier.
  30. Odinplys
    +1
    April 16 2012 18: 26
    What happened in Tatarstan ...just a perversion... like that ... ZEC ... didn’t beg for piz ... lei ... there are other methods of influence ...
    And you need to blame yourself first of all ... we give bribes ... we take ... we use the services we offer ... in front of a strong yulim ... etc.
    So dear ... let's change ourselves ... We are this is our society ...
    And the Minister ... the government will replace if it considers necessary ...
    I am personally for Putin ... and therefore I trust him infinitely ...
    1. 0
      April 16 2012 23: 07
      here!) similarly!)
  31. +2
    April 16 2012 22: 55
    why are you all arguing about trash? look who in the provinces builds cottages - all the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, starting from the sergeant and ending with the very top echelon. my neighbor had an investigator in the traffic police (a moronic abbreviation) last year he moved out, built a cottage in the suburbs and does not buzz, weighs one and a half centners. It’s not at all envy, he had a rest 2 times a year, incl. abroad. and all for the salary, about which he said that I forget to receive it. I was offended that they are called "werewolves in uniform", he said how many gas stations and other businesses the police chief had, they say, here they are "werewolves in uniform"
    1. 0
      April 16 2012 23: 10
      I have a "garbage" neighbor on top. his concussion was not sour, while he crushed the ghouls who were against the authorities in the Caucasus.
      Normally he has memories from the war - both offensive and funny.
      But he always knew and understood what he was fighting for there. And power is also on the list of these things. And he does not regret, he wants to write off from injury)
      So he would run there now)

      Why did he have to be sent there when there is a lot of work, right?)

      and you tell me about werewolves in uniform. or tell me what dépses were werewolves when they stood in the way of a column with Basayev’s gang or who was there.
  32. +2
    April 16 2012 23: 18
    we are not writing here about those who were in the Caucasus, but about those who rob, roof, rape, beat out readings with bits. and the guys who were in hot spots have a huge respect and respect.
  33. 0
    April 17 2012 00: 28
    Well then, of course, you have pure thoughts, but paradise on earth will never come ..
    you are telling me now about absolute good and evil
    And so many people came from the police and the police in the Caucasus. Because there is no order. This is logical.
    And even now there are guys sent on a business trip while I am writing to you here, they may risk their lives
    And there are not one thousand there.
    But at the rally it is not visible who is under the helmet, there may be a real hero.

    always were evil and were good. and the police are just a reflection in the mirror - you, me, a neighbor, and so on. There are no aliens. And the reform - it is like a reduction - someone has touched, someone is not. Passed - everyone sighed further. Because Russia. Mother)

    Well abstract.

    so you will never get a priori honest police. all sorts will be, here SMERSH is needed, or something like that)
  34. paanvl
    +3
    April 17 2012 07: 45
    I can say so ..... we have a very small city, albeit a regional center. The climate is disgusting. The GAI officer among all other employees before the reform received the least. The lowest salaries! The interns' turnover is huge !!! The specifics of the city is such that every 5th driver stopped by a traffic cop will present a certificate of which thread of the power department.
    I can tell you directly the mansions and cottages I did not notice something behind them !!!
    I speak only for my city !!!
    And further!! Now those who came in the wake of the 90s of the lost years serve in the organs! When service in the police became almost shameful! Now the people have other heroes! Just look at NTV crime we have in honor! In any minibus "trash_music" sounds about how they go to the zone on a paravoz to Magadan. Paravoses do not fly to Magadan, and do not swim !!!
    Of course, there is a lot of garbage in the organs, what the police do is just a part of society! One day nothing will change, it is a long process. But it’s also impossible to act like Georgia ..... to catch a criminal (by law) is not to load bags, you won’t learn in 5 minutes!
    I apologize for the confusion of the written ....
  35. +1
    April 17 2012 08: 50
    Quote: vostok
    while he was the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there were many incidents such as bombings in the subway, the murder of journalists, Major Yevsyukov shot the customers in the store, furious corruption (look at the houses and cars of the bosses), terrorism in the Caucasus,

    1. Terrorism is the competence of the FSB (on the issue of explosions in the subway).
    2. The murder of journalists is that the order of Nurgaliyev?
    3. Yevsyukov-spot, I agree.
    4. corruption (at home, cars) - is it only with police chiefs?
    5. terrorism in the Caucasus - see paragraph 1.
    Quote: Werwolf
    2. SOBR not the police but the AIS
    You are mistaken SOBR (OMSN) was and is the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
    1. 0
      April 22 2012 20: 02
      You are mistaken SOBR (OMSN) was and is the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
      THE SPECIAL FORCES "KOSMONAUT" IS GUILTY FOR THE FSIN, THEY ARE THEY GUARD THE BULLETINS (COMPLEX OF GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS) IN Grozny. THE KADYROV POLICE DOES NOT TRUST ITS SECURITY.