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US media told which system could protect Hamim from shelling.

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Russia has a missing link in air defense systems - that is why Hmeimim airbase at the end of 2017 was successfully attacked with 82-mm mortars, writes the publication Strategy Page.




"The Russian garrison at Khmeimim airbase needed to repel a mortar attack in December weapon, which the United States has - the C-RAM anti-missile system, or the Israeli Iron Dome, ”the newspaper article states Look.

Russian experts suggest that the airbase hit the Soviet mortar 2B9 "Cornflower". This is indicated by shell fragments, as well as firing speed.

At the same time, “Cornflowers” ​​were never supplied by Russia to Syria, so the experts had suspicions that these weapons “came to the militants from Turkish smugglers - there are such mortars in Turkey”. Ankara denies these charges, indicating, in particular, that the mortars could be a Chinese clone 2B9 - W99.

“However, Russia didn’t have protection against such mortars,” the newspaper writes, noting that the American anti-missile system C-RAM, which has been used since 2006, could cope with mortar shells.

According to the author, this weapon is used at a distance of up to 2-km, it can knock down 70 – 80% of missiles and mortar shells within its radius of action. For these purposes, C-RAM uses 20-mm projectiles that detonate near targets, spraying them into fragments. The US military has experience using these weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Another solution is the Israeli Iron Dome, used since 2009. “This system uses two radars to quickly calculate the trajectory of a flying rocket or a mortar projectile and sends an antimissile to it if there is a threat to an object under protection,” the article says.

It is reported that the “Iron Dome” shot down 85% of the missiles that were launched across Israeli territory.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 25 January 2018 13: 57
    13
    “The Russian garrison at the Khmeimim airbase in December needed a weapon that the United States has - the C-RAM missile defense system, or the Israeli Iron Dome,” the newspaper Vzglyad quoted the article as saying.

    So sell, and we will study .. wassat
    “However, Russia didn’t have protection against such mortars,” the newspaper writes, noting that the American anti-missile system C-RAM, which has been used since 2006, could cope with mortar shells.

    I’ll smoke right now, and then I will begin to want and envy.
    For whom do these analysts write such an outright blizzard?
    1. Anarchist
      Anarchist 25 January 2018 14: 00
      15
      Here the system works differently ... You buy it from us, and in return our militants will stop shelling you!
      1. figwam
        figwam 25 January 2018 14: 01
        +2
        Yes, no matter how mortar shelling, there were drones in both cases.
        1. Anarchist
          Anarchist 25 January 2018 14: 10
          19
          If the Americans say that the mortar attack ... So the mortar attack! And there is nothing to bicker with exceptional! If you do not believe it, then ask in the European Union. They will confirm ...
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 25 January 2018 16: 04
            +2
            If the “Iron Dome” knocks down a rocket, then the drones will definitely hit. Russia needs its own counterpart.
            I don’t know how he shoots mortar shells, I didn’t find the info.
            But there are doubts about the effectiveness of C-RAM. Still, the Jews preferred their system rather than the American one, but this is an indicator.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 25 January 2018 16: 46
              +2
              The armor also shoots down drones, another thing is that the missiles are much more expensive than the Jews. In general, electronic warfare must fight drones since no missiles are enough if you launch, for example, 100 drones at a time.
            2. Hanokem
              Hanokem 25 January 2018 20: 11
              +1
              Make a deal with the Americans. If they allow, we will gladly sell you the iron dome.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 25 January 2018 23: 02
                +1
                As practice shows, blind copying, like buying, is a dead end.
                You can not put the country's defense against the will of foreign politicians. Stop selling service components and consumables - and hello.
                I need my own analogue. Moreover, there is development, the principle is known.
              2. Stoler
                Stoler 26 January 2018 00: 57
                0
                Krasava, keep it up !! good good good drinks
            3. Alex777
              Alex777 25 January 2018 21: 55
              0
              The iron dome is an excellent system. Calculates the trajectory and knocks down what is really dangerous. We should have had such a system Morpheus. But all polymers (...) are the same. hi
        2. co-creator
          co-creator 25 January 2018 16: 44
          +2
          Russian Defense Ministry said about mortars. Lying makes no sense, I think.
    2. okko077
      okko077 25 January 2018 14: 47
      +8
      Again, the game is in the same gate ... Do you remember the video about the base clowns that were played with a mini-airship. A simple layman should take this clowning as a positive trend ... I don’t understand what is happening in Syria and in our army in terms of information, in terms of using information technology? Why not hang a balloon with cameras and thermal imagers over the base for energy communication ... do not put the shift of operators behind the monitors and see everything in control within a radius of 5 km ... 10 km. 100 km? Do not place stationary observation posts around? ... Give them weapons of destruction that they can almost instantly control ... Instead, some robots, some with empty balls ..? If even this is not what kind of information-combat systems can be discussed ...? What achievements militarily, in terms of the use of modern information technologies can be discussed, even if we do not see and control anything around our base? And they should All control in Syria, as in a small positional area of ​​warfare ... and everything in real time with the issuance of the coordinates of the target and with instant response ... For this backwardness, it is necessary to change and drive the command into the neck, starting with GS, and do not hang medals on the tunic ...
      1. Genry
        Genry 25 January 2018 16: 09
        0
        Quote: okko077
        Why not hang a balloon with cameras and thermal imagers over the base for energy communication ... do not put the shift of operators behind the monitors and see everything in control within a radius of 5 km ... 10 km. 100 km?

        See a swarm of moving obscure points, cars, people, animals. How many pieces can you classify correctly. And if you will be shown a performance of flying warm objects, how will you deal with it. Then you will suddenly see that in fact "birds are flying" i.e. mines. In a minute they will shoot back and leave, and you will all be firing from scratch. So you only receive damage ...
        Need self-defense systems from mines. It is necessary to close the segments of the perimeter of a possible fire attack.
        1. okko077
          okko077 25 January 2018 16: 28
          +2
          Just some kind of nonsense? Do you see a swarm of some points from the UAV camcorder? .. I don’t even know what to answer?
          1. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 25 January 2018 17: 37
            +1
            To protect the Khmeimim base with 3000 personnel, do you propose creating a Khmeimim 2 defense base with 10000?
          2. Genry
            Genry 26 January 2018 12: 33
            0
            Quote: okko077
            Just some kind of nonsense? Do you see a swarm of some points from the UAV camcorder? .. I don’t even know what to answer?

            If you use a toy drone flying at low altitude and observing a small area, then you can see some details. But you will finally get rid of it if you fly like that and look into any gap.
            And how many UAVs will be needed to scan an area of ​​about 100 km, with a period of scanning and classifying objects in a few seconds (a mortar attack lasts about a minute).
            And this will not help the protected area in any way; your response will be in a few minutes.
            1. okko077
              okko077 26 January 2018 14: 48
              +1
              There is no construct in your post and it is pointless to stupidity. Our base is located in a friendly and controlled area - why fly there immediately to UAVs? Your concepts about the possibility of information transmission systems and the work of their information on the damage systems in duty zones are so primitive that it is difficult for you to understand how such systems work ...
              1. Genry
                Genry 26 January 2018 16: 59
                0
                Quote: okko077
                There is no construct in your post and it is pointless to stupidity.

                How do you appreciate yourself ... Especially your "constructive" and pointlessness.
                Quote: okko077
                Our base is located in a friendly and controlled area -

                You want to say that the perimeter is completely blocked in this friendly territory, and no one moves through it? Whim...
                There is such a word "puncture", which designates an event that occurred due to ignorance and weak opposition to it. So you will never know the 100% position of saboteurs in your friendly territory. You will constantly have these punctures due to the targeted focus of these groups.
                Quote: okko077
                ... why there immediately fly to the UAV?

                UAV - this is your proposal ... have you already forgotten?
                Quote: okko077
                Why not hang a balloon with cameras and thermal imagers over the base for energy communication ... do not put the shift of operators behind the monitors and see everything in control within a radius of 5 km ... 10 km. 100 km?

                And then finally arrived:
                Quote: okko077
                Just some kind of nonsense? Do you see a swarm of some points from the UAV camcorder? .. I don’t even know what to answer?


                Quote: okko077
                Your concepts about the possibility of information transmission systems and the work of their information on the damage systems in duty zones are so primitive that it is difficult for you to understand how such systems work ...

                Your concepts in developing management in general at a children's level. Between the stages of decision-making, there is always a person. And he, after a passive pastime or work on other issues, very slowly begins to work out (even standard) sequences of decisions. One minute is not enough (and in a minute the DRG will already be shot), even if you do not take into account the time taken to take the measures themselves (aiming and firing at the DRG).
                And I talked about an automatic defense system that destroys enemy mines and shells on a section of a guarded perimeter. The system is not related to the human factor and the appearance of unknown "punctures" is simply adjusted at the level of algorithms, before enumerating all the options.
                1. okko077
                  okko077 26 January 2018 18: 13
                  0
                  Educational program for dummies.
                  Surveillance equipment on a ball or a match (tower) is not much different from surveillance equipment on a UAV, in terms of technical characteristics, but simpler and cheaper ...
                  On controlled. Territories you can stir masts, balls, airships on a leash with ground power sources .....
                  The surveillance and decision-making operator at the control room is on duty, and the weapon can track and aim at the coordinates of the surveillance means automatically. The operator of Combat Information Systems in this option and in others makes a decision in real time in accordance with his authority ...
                  Are you not repairing a car repair tire?
      2. MoJloT
        MoJloT 25 January 2018 16: 16
        0
        Why not hang a balloon with cameras and thermal imagers over the base for energy communication

        There already is one, it did not help.
        1. okko077
          okko077 25 January 2018 18: 13
          +2
          The point is not in the ball, but in the system in which it is only one sensor out of many, in the Information Combat System with operators, weapons and their powers .....
    3. Tusv
      Tusv 25 January 2018 16: 15
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      I’ll smoke right now, and then I will begin to want and envy.

      Our people say: "Wanting is not harmful, it’s bad not to have it" -Rasplintintsy will come up with something hi
  2. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 25 January 2018 14: 01
    16
    Magically! Shoot a mine for a hundred bucks with a rocket for a hundred kilobaks ?! It is only exceptional such chic can afford. Or in a computer model. Keeping the DRG away from mortar shelling is a reality.
    1. alstr
      alstr 25 January 2018 14: 05
      +1
      In my opinion, it’s easier to immediately destroy the mortar immediately, and not the mines.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 January 2018 14: 11
        14
        Quote: alstr
        In my opinion, it’s easier to immediately destroy the mortar immediately, and not the mines.

        Better immediately those who sell these mortars
    2. Berber
      Berber 25 January 2018 14: 13
      +8
      A hundred-dollar mine damaged a plane for several million. Therefore, a rocket for a hundred thousand seems normal (in our case, it may be cheaper). Therefore, although an enemy opinion, there is a rational kernel in it.
      1. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 25 January 2018 15: 16
        +1
        I suppose it’s just advertising, because at the distance at which the shelling was conducted, given the interaction of the radar-rocket-mine, there will be two options: either the rocket only starts when the mine lies on the target, or it hits a mine near the target, that is, a conditional plane can get damage not only from a mine, but also from a mine in interaction with a missile defense, which is even worse. The only option is to suppress the mortar calculation for the first shot, but that's another topic.
        1. Berber
          Berber 25 January 2018 15: 59
          +3
          The iron dome is a functioning system. Do not underestimate the Jews. The “Cornflower”, which was supposedly used, can shoot from 4 km, just for the iron dome. That. that yawned DRG - I agree. But I’m not talking about that. I mean that you need to look closely at the weapons that opponents use and the best to use at home.
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 25 January 2018 16: 49
            +1
            Quote: BerBer
            The iron dome is a functioning system.

            she does not give a 100% guarantee and the same “casamas” reached the target.
            1. Berber
              Berber 25 January 2018 16: 51
              0
              Thinking of a promotion?
          2. Alex-a832
            Alex-a832 25 January 2018 17: 44
            +5
            Here is the opinion of the Israeli colleague on your assumption.

            voyaka uh Today, 14: 36 ↑
            "Nobody will shoot down the mines with a dome, not for that system,
            it's like bombing with gold bars, "////
            Not for this reason. If the mortar's firing point is less
            than 7 km from the target, then J.K. does not have time to launch a rocket.
            Mina is detected, the trajectory miscalculates, but the interception
            is late. I need a laser.
            Phalanx with its own radar is better, but
            he throws the area with thousands of fragments.
            If the mortar shot was from an urban area
            buildings (as happens in Gaza), then
            there will be killed and dozens of wounded in the area. The UN will gobble up.
            Therefore, we refused Phalanx immediately.
            1. Berber
              Berber 26 January 2018 08: 56
              0
              Thanks, enlightened.
    3. 210ox
      210ox 25 January 2018 14: 13
      +1
      Why not. They can afford it. And the reality is that they missed. It is certainly cheaper not to allow shelling distance ..
      Quote: Alex-a832
      Magically! Shoot a mine for a hundred bucks with a rocket for a hundred kilobaks ?! It is only exceptional such chic can afford. Or in a computer model. Keeping the DRG away from mortar shelling is a reality.
    4. Sasha Crimean
      Sasha Crimean 25 January 2018 15: 16
      +4
      Alex-a832 New
      Today, 14: 01
      Magically! Shoot a mine for a hundred bucks with a rocket for a hundred kilobaks ?! It is only exceptional such chic can afford. Or in a computer model. Keeping the DRG away from mortar shelling is a reality

      Is logical. And the lives of soldiers and officers, are they worthless? fool . In the words of Comrade Stalin - "Women still give birth." ? AND?
      1. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 25 January 2018 15: 59
        +4
        I actually said that it’s not a matter of hammering nails with a pile. And about the losses - in the war you won’t be safe from everything and the limits of the rational in defense also have a place to be, with a share of healthy cynicism. No need to squeeze a tear from the public on this.
      2. teron
        teron 1 February 2018 14: 04
        0
        "In the words of Comrade Stalin -" Women still give birth. "? And?"

        This phrase is attributed to EVERY Russian / Russian / Soviet commander / prince / tsar / secretary general / president. You can write about anyone - all the TRUTH.
    5. Tusv
      Tusv 25 January 2018 16: 48
      0
      Quote: Alex-a832
      Or in a computer model. Keeping the DRG away from mortar shelling is a reality.

      Such a toy has not been released. U gamers. stop playing Tanchiki, Tear the Soviet Union air defense. Initial data. RTV clearly captures every take-off. And you are waiting for a thousand missiles and the Flanker Regiment.
    6. Hanokem
      Hanokem 25 January 2018 20: 13
      +2
      A mine for 100 bucks can destroy an airplane for 70 Lyamov. Here is the correct count
  3. Livonetc
    Livonetc 25 January 2018 14: 02
    +1
    "Kuzkina mother", declared by Khrushchev and applied to whom it should be applied.
    And there will be peace in the world.
  4. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 25 January 2018 14: 12
    0
    I think our military specialists have long studied the capabilities of the American system and the Israeli "Dome" ... we are waiting for an answer from our Defense Ministry, or people close to it. This question is really interesting, just how much such a dome is needed, and it is definitely needed to protect stationary objects, at least .... and what our developers will say. Unfortunately, you have to pay for the experience with the lives of soldiers.
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 25 January 2018 14: 41
      +2
      But what about the experience of Afghanistan? There were also shelling and countermeasures were taken. Since then, not so much time has passed to forget.
    2. okko077
      okko077 25 January 2018 15: 11
      +6
      Our military is in full “ass” ... There are no specialists, no new approaches in our army, everything is at the level of 45 years, only weapons are modern, and they are using it in the old way, no one even noticed the information revolution ... and does not want to notice ... What are some drone shelves worth? This is what kind of degenerate you need to be in order to make independent combat units from sensors of Combat Information Systems? .. I am often asked: how do you know? There are no new methods of warfare, hostilities ... because there are no new structures, new combat units with new integrated powers, .... some reconnaissance spotters and suicide bombers are both at the forefront and a little deeper, the old per_dun generals with binoculars, per_duns not by age, but by way of thinking ... that control everything, including almost "caliber" ...
  5. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 25 January 2018 14: 13
    +2
    To shoot rockets at mines is in the Amer style. I wonder what they knock down mosquitoes?
  6. MIG00001
    MIG00001 25 January 2018 14: 14
    0
    Well, you need to buy from Israel to study and do better for yourself
  7. Dreamboat
    Dreamboat 25 January 2018 14: 18
    +3
    A-vile, journalists decided to promote their next wunderwafel, which even in the United States has not really been adopted yet.
    Our air defense dealt with the question of intercepting drones and missiles unmatchedly better than American and even Israeli ones (where a complex and multi-level system is built, which periodically is no-no and will let Kasam miss). And with 82 mm. mortar with a rate of "Cornflower" still need to see how this system will cope.
    In Afghanistan, US bases and allies continue to suffer from mortars with a larger caliber and lower rate of fire ....
    So why reprint this nonsense?
  8. mkop
    mkop 25 January 2018 14: 20
    0
    But I’m interested in something else. How much is a mortar shot and how much is a missile defense? How long can you fight off mines?
  9. Strashila
    Strashila 25 January 2018 14: 27
    +2
    But what ... they really can capture a series of 120 rounds per minute from a cornflower ... even let 40 shots ... what ... they really can ... the computer goes crazy ... yes they have so many missiles in the launcher. .. all this to reflect single launches or shots.
  10. Pacifist
    Pacifist 25 January 2018 14: 30
    +1
    A complete snowstorm is written. Nobody will shoot down the mines with a dome, not for that, the system is like bombing with gold bars, and C-RAM is an old throat Falanks, which couldn’t bring down subsonic rockets mounted on wheels, it’s definitely not better in performance than what it costs on the shell. All will be. They will accept Derivation, they will modify the new ammunition for the Shell and everything will be the way. And certainly not worse than the "partners", but at a price and cheaper at times.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 January 2018 14: 36
      +8
      "Nobody will shoot down the mines with a dome, not for that system,
      it's like bombing with gold bars, "////

      Not for this reason. If the mortar's firing point is less
      than 7 km from the target, then J.K. does not have time to launch a rocket.
      Mina is detected, the trajectory miscalculates, but the interception
      is late. I need a laser.

      Phalanx with its own radar is better, but
      he throws the area with thousands of fragments.
      If the mortar shot was from an urban area
      buildings (as happens in Gaza), then
      there will be killed and dozens of wounded in the area. The UN will gobble up.
      Therefore, we refused Phalanx immediately.
      1. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 25 January 2018 16: 21
        0
        in fact there is no effective system in the world from mortar shelling from 2-4 km?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 25 January 2018 17: 23
          +3
          C-RAM, it seems, worked a couple of times in Afghanistan,
          guarding field military bases of Americans. But the bases are being built there
          in an empty area, fragments can fill everything around.
          And sneaking up with a mortar is difficult. But sneaked up.
  11. afrikanez
    afrikanez 25 January 2018 14: 31
    0
    This statement is nothing more than boosting the next round of the arms race. And if we say what the Americans do not have, they have eyes, not only on the forehead, they will climb. So, this once again speaks of what the Americans are pursuing with their policies and intimidation.
  12. Topotun
    Topotun 25 January 2018 14: 38
    +1
    As in that animated film (about Uncle Fedor) - "you are uncle Fedor eating a wrong sandwich ... You have to eat it with sausage down, it tastes better ...."
  13. faterdom
    faterdom 25 January 2018 14: 53
    +3
    And they don’t shoot down bullets there? Firstly, this two-kilometer zone must simply be controlled, undercover, technically, and in all sorts of different ways, and even from throwing a hand grenade, you have to come up with something. During the Second World War, both sides used simply chaotic haphazard shelling of the front line, which extremely complicated the work of those who had to work in this strip (scouts, sappers, signalmen, observers). Secondly, we meticulously and consistently respond to such things: for example, those who sent drones at us and did not have time to escape from there the next day were well cleared.
  14. Genry
    Genry 25 January 2018 16: 30
    0
    Already there are radar systems for detecting the trajectory of mines (one of the functions), for example, Aistenok radar. From it transmit target designation to the ZAK Sosna-A type fire system with an optical guidance station and 30 mm guns with shell programming. We need a new cartridge firing a mortar shell with frontal formation of a dense beam of fragments (grains, grains of sand for hitting a target fuse) and a programmable counter for detonating time (maybe already?).
    If you use the full complex ZARK "Pine" (another plus Рmissiles), then UAVs will be closed up to 4000m and firing with large missiles (small unguided missiles - get off with a fragmentation shell). This will close all urgent threats.
  15. sgazeev
    sgazeev 25 January 2018 18: 17
    +2
    The dome once again lets homemade products from the Gaza Strip. One advice to these advisers is to buy a condom and shut up.
  16. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 25 January 2018 19: 56
    0
    There is another option: within a radius of 2 km, destroy all buildings, burn out all the vegetation and open fire to kill everything that enters, flies or crawls into this restricted area.
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 25 January 2018 20: 08
    0
    It is interesting for what purpose the American media began to advertise the Israeli complex? Something that Americans have not previously noticed in lobbying for weapons and systems where there is no brand Made in USA
  18. corporal
    corporal 25 January 2018 20: 11
    0
    LCD for mines - bust.
    But C-RAM or its continuation MANTIS would not hurt us.
    Here is an article from 2012. https://topwar.ru/21633-postupila-na-vooruzhenie-
    pervaya-batareya-zak-mantis.html
  19. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 26 January 2018 11: 36
    0
    ... it can bring down 70-80% of missiles and mortar shells in the radius of its action)))
    Well, where will they fall and how much will destroy the equipment and people the remaining 20-30% of mines or missiles?
    1. Valery Saitov
      Valery Saitov 26 January 2018 11: 39
      0
      Now everything is different.
      The defense of Khmeimim consists of three rings. The first ring is the perimeter of the base itself. It is controlled by the Russian military police. The second ring is the radius of 2-3 kilometers from the base. It is controlled by naval units and paratroopers. The groups are reinforced with T-90 tanks. The third ring is 5-7 kilometers from the air base. It is controlled by mobile special forces groups. Their tasks include checking suspicious objects, identifying caches with weapons.
      The second and third rings are patrolled by combat helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation from the air group of the Khmeimim base.
    2. vlad_2018
      vlad_2018 26 January 2018 16: 32
      0
      A small addition is only SINGLE ammunition. The line from Cornflower - no, it cannot.
  20. Mentat
    Mentat 26 January 2018 15: 33
    0
    Quote: okko077
    Again, the game is in the same gate ... Do you remember the video about the base clowns that were played with a mini-airship. A simple layman should take this clowning as a positive trend ... I don’t understand what is happening in Syria and in our army in terms of information, in terms of using information technology? Why not hang a balloon with cameras and thermal imagers over the base for energy communication ... do not put the shift of operators behind the monitors and see everything in control within a radius of 5 km ... 10 km. 100 km? Do not place stationary observation posts around? ... Give them weapons of destruction that they can almost instantly control ... Instead, some robots, some with empty balls ..? If even this is not what kind of information-combat systems can be discussed ...? What achievements militarily, in terms of the use of modern information technologies can be discussed, even if we do not see and control anything around our base? And they should All control in Syria, as in a small positional area of ​​warfare ... and everything in real time with the issuance of the coordinates of the target and with instant response ... For this backwardness, it is necessary to change and drive the command into the neck, starting with GS, and do not hang medals on the tunic ...

    Another squeal from the user "Okko" ...
    Our base is actually not located on enemy territory, but on the territory of a sovereign state, which we have repeatedly emphasized. She is also not in the occupied territory, of course. There are no our troops which would exercise full control of the surrounding area.
    In Khmeimim there is no contingent necessary for its full protection, this task was assigned, by agreement, to the Syrian side. We rent a base, not a terrain 200 km in diameter. Do you realize this or came to the forum to yell? They were supposed to cover the passages in the mountains, which, as the locals should know a little, patrol, use intelligence. The Syrians could not cope. Now, judging by the media reports, our forces are being introduced to replace them. Again, only to some extent. Think more before writing your valuable messages.
  21. Mentat
    Mentat 26 January 2018 15: 43
    0
    Quote: APASUS
    It is interesting for what purpose the American media began to advertise the Israeli complex? Something that Americans have not previously noticed in lobbying for weapons and systems where there is no brand Made in USA

    The purpose of this article in another is to demonstrate the alleged backlog of Russia. But somehow it was done stingy.
  22. Mentat
    Mentat 26 January 2018 15: 50
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Phalanx with its own radar is better, but
    he throws the area with thousands of fragments.
    If the mortar shot was from an urban area
    buildings (as happens in Gaza), then
    there will be killed and dozens of wounded in the area. The UN will gobble up.
    Therefore, we refused Phalanx immediately.

    In the case of Khmeimim, that was exactly what.
    “The mortars worked from the zone under the protection of the Syrians. The two dead are helicopter pilots, ”said the source of RBC in the Ministry of Defense (https://www.rbc.ru/politics/04/01/2018/5a4def379
    a7947a9e3f00a5b)
    What exactly was there and why it was possible to drag mortars into the guarded de-escalation zone, remains to be seen if this has not already been done. Sloppiness, bribery, moles, something else - still pops up. The fact that not a single group has claimed responsibility for this action is also indicative.
    The actions of the sabotage group were interrupted, as can be assumed by the fact that the boxes with mines prepared for use were captured.
  23. the same doctor
    the same doctor 26 January 2018 18: 56
    0
    The air base can be protected only by the preventive destruction of all enemies within a radius of one hundred kilometers. A suspicious jeep rides - to shoot him, there is a pedestrian - that’s where. To go only on the roads and through the checkpoint.
  24. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 28 January 2018 09: 25
    0
    Quote: Hanokem
    Make a deal with the Americans. If they allow, we will gladly sell you the iron dome.

    Why is it needed? To shoot down artillery mines fired over 2 km with an iron dome is utter nonsense. Kassams and those in 25% fly, released over 10 km.
  25. asr55
    asr55 29 January 2018 18: 08
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    "Cornflower" will not finish from the perimeter of the local zone to the aircraft parking is absurd. So military airfields are built. We need more serious weapons. A photo is another fake. None of the photos show the airplane completely. In general, this topic is already tired of worse than the bitter radish.