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Who should Russia beat in the Middle East? Everybody!

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In the Syrian war came a new phase. ISIS (IG, prohibited in Russia) is almost destroyed. It's time for the collapse of the old and the formation of new unions. The circumstances have changed, which means that alliances have changed. Just like in 1945, when Nazi Germany was defeated.

Today, when Turkey and the Kurds again took up their usual business, that is, they began to cut each other, it is time to talk about how we should relate to what is happening. Who to regret, and whom to condemn? It is noteworthy that the Kurds offended by the Turks suddenly spoke like real Europeans. In Brussels, they are now appealing to European values ​​and remind Russia of friendship in Moscow, while talking about its betrayal.

What to do with all these poor Europeans and patient Russians? Nothing, they just need to remember history and draw the appropriate conclusions.

About genocide and valor

In September, 2013, in the capital of Turkish Kurdistan, the city of Diyarbakire (in the ancient Armenian city of Tigranakert) opened the monument “Universal Repentance”. During its opening, the elder Abdullah Demirbash, on behalf of all the Kurds, asked forgiveness from the Armenians and Assyrians for the actions of their ancestors:

“We, the Kurds, on behalf of our ancestors, ask you Armenians and Assyrians for forgiveness for the 1915 genocide of the year. We will continue the struggle to make amends and compensate for what we have done. ”


What is he talking about? What kind of repentance? Today, when in the media they are talking only about bad Turks, who had otgenokotsidit over the past hundred years, almost all the peoples of the Middle East: Armenians, Kurds, Greeks, Assyrians, etc., from whom this "unreasonable" Kurd asks for forgiveness?



This story began in the summer of 1877. At the end of April, Russians left Beyazet, abandoned by the Turks the day before. But a month later, having collected significant forces (up to 25 thousand people, including 5 thousand Kurds) and taking advantage of the departure of the main enemy forces, they returned to unexpectedly counterattack to destroy the Russian garrison remaining in the city (two battalions, several squadrons that were left to guard field hospitals with wounded).

Realizing that they could not resist the Turks and Kurds in open battle against ten times superior in number of Turks and Kurds, and being burdened by the wounded, the Russian garrison left the city and locked up in a citadel. The first few weeks of the siege, the “liberators” simply robbed the Armenians, their killings were sporadic, but after an unsuccessful assault in mid-June, which the Russian garrison fought off with heavy losses for the besiegers, the real bacchanalia began in the city, known in history as the “Bayazet Massacre” .

The 236 Russian prisoners of war were the first to be killed (mainly the Highlanders of the Caucasus, many of whom were also Muslims), and then the turn came to the Armenians, who made up the majority of the city’s population. The memoirs of the Russian officers of the besieged garrison and the British military correspondents who were attached to the Turkish “army” are in many ways similar. That senseless and cruel slaughter, which lasted three days, struck both the Europeans and the Russians. Moreover, its most terrible episodes began when the Turkish troops left the city, and only the Kurds remained in charge of it.



All the Armenian men who were overtaken by the “liberators” were killed, women and children were also killed, and sometimes, for fun, they were thrown alive on fires. At the same time, the blood-dying Kurds killed even those Turks who dared to save their Armenian neighbors. Even the Turkish officers were amazed by the bloody lawlessness and barely managed on the third day to bring at least some order in the city and stop the killings.

Arriving at the scene of the incident, the English correspondent of the Times with the Turkish army, Norman, wrote:

“The massacre in Bayazet, the desecration of Russian graves, the injuries to corpses, the violation of the“ white flag ”and the recent atrocities against Christians in Van - all this is a sufficient reason and good reason to continue the war. We cannot hope that such a great power, like Russia, will sit quietly ... It must force Porto weapons respect the rights of all its Christian subjects and grant them rights and protection equally, as well as Muslims. ”


This event literally shocked the Europeans, and in many countries began to talk about the fact that it is not necessary to interfere with the Russians to restore order in this barbarous country (the Ottoman Empire).

Meanwhile, the Bayazan story ended with a very remarkable event (we are now about valor). Two weeks after the massacre, the unblocking detachment arrived at the rescue of the Russian garrison. Despite the almost fourfold numerical superiority in forces, the Kurds, without engaging in battle, fled, without forgetting to grab 300 Armenian young slaves, and condemn their Turkish “allies” to complete defeat.

Who should Russia beat in the Middle East? Everybody!


And then there was the 1915 year, when the Kurds again "helped" the Turks to solve the Armenian question, now radically and forever. As a “reward” for the assistance, the Turkish government allowed the Kurds to keep everything stolen, as well as the land and houses of their victims. It was then that the Armenian city of Tigranakert turned into the Kurdish capital of Diarbekir.

And for this, Abdullah Demirbash apologized to Armenians in 2013, that is, on the eve of the 100 anniversary of the genocide.

East is a delicate and simple business

Having heard all this, I just want to exclaim: how can we only carry such earth? And normally wears it if this land is Middle Eastern.

I will not say anything about Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks; history has not given them such a chance, and the Kurds and Turks, as we saw above, are worth each other.

Why then do we pity the Kurds today and are terrified by the crimes of the Turkish regime? And this is because we judge the events according to the so-called world media reports. And today it is more profitable for them to feel sorry for the Kurds. This is geopolitics, nothing personal. As soon as the political situation changes, the Turkish wolves and Kurdish sheep will change places, and the European “gas workers” will be completely different people, and they will “sincerely” resent the atrocities of those whose fate they so recently mourned.

The 21st century is the century of hybrid wars, and therefore there is nothing surprising here. For Americans, for example, still Saudi Wahhabis are still a stronghold of democracy in the region. You find it funny? And their neighbors, more than once hit by the American and Saudi militarists, just because of the insufficient level of democracy in their countries, not so much.

Religious discord in the Ottoman Empire was cultivated throughout the XIX century. As a result, the genocide of the Armenian and then the Kurdish peoples became possible at the beginning. At the same time, the Kurds themselves, as we have seen, were by no means innocent lambs. They just had no luck today, they were weaker. And they didn’t bet on those "allies."

And here we come to the most important point in assessing what is happening. Any events in the Middle East can be assessed only through the prism of the characteristics of the region and in no case through the prism of so-called “universal human values” or Russian humanism.



What it turns out to be seen in Germany as an example, where it can be clearly seen how the victims of the Syrian war and the natives of the Syrian war, who were shocked by the natives, suddenly became arrogant and merciless thugs who terrorized those who warmed them. And in any way, these Germans will not understand that they, in the understanding of the refugees who have arrived, are simply weak, and therefore must obey. And here there is no deliberate neglect or ingratitude. It's just that the people of the Middle East have been brought up like this, and they act on this basis

It makes no sense to evaluate the actions of the Kurds in 1877 and 1915 from the point of view of European or Russian values. We have only one word for this: atrocity. But just as well, it’s not necessary for the Kurds themselves to try today to appeal to European values, which they begin to remember only when they start beating them.



And from here I would least pay attention today to the wailing of the Kurds. Grosz them price. This is the East, which has its own laws and norms of behavior, and in order to win here, you need to get used to these rules based on them. Here, only force is respected, and not some abstract Western values. It's simple: showed strength, and you are a respected partner who has the right to order; began to persuade - wait for the knife in the back and do not be offended. Nothing personal, you just didn't fit into the local political "market".

Russia should be ready to beat everyone. Today, Ankara is an ally of Moscow, and together they are punishing the rashness of the American allies, the Kurds. But tomorrow everything can change quickly.
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  1. Gardamir
    Gardamir 24 January 2018 10: 08 New
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    Today Ankara is an ally of Moscow,
    Turkey has never been an ally of Russia. Now the Turks in Syria are solving their tasks. But ... But we were previously told that the Russian army in Syria, at the invitation of Assad, is to protect the integrity of Syria. Again, I repeat the question, what are the Turks doing in Syria?
    And do not blah blah, about the fact that the Kurds are supposedly allies of the United States, for some reason only the Kurds beaten by Turkey. And what will happen to Syria when Turkey enters it?
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 24 January 2018 10: 19 New
      25
      Who should Russia beat in the Middle East? Everybody!
      With undisguised pleasure I follow the course of the author's analytical thought: Yuri Podolyak (Yurasumy). As the saying goes "do not add do not reduce" wink
      1. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 24 January 2018 10: 36 New
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        Quote: Chertt
        With undisguised pleasure I follow the course of the author's analytical thought: Yuri Podolyak (Yurasumy). As the saying goes "do not add do not reduce"

        Although strange, the note is sensible this time.
        1. avt
          avt 24 January 2018 10: 51 New
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          Quote: Antianglosaks
          Though strange

          And what is strange ??
          Quote: Antianglosaks
          but the note this time is sensible.

          request The author ascertains a fact that was known for a long time, but due to the epidemic of tolerance, which intelligentsia artificially infects society, many do not want to let it into the brain. By the way, this is very noticeable at the talk show in the speeches of visiting native Germans. bully
        2. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 24 January 2018 10: 55 New
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          Yes, the author is right in this case. A thousand times right. I, too, looking at shots from Syria, when in the liberated cities the population comes out with portraits of Assad and Putin, with Russian tricolors and shouting “Glory to Russia”, no no, but I think, how long will it be? How long will they have a memory? For Europe, over 70, she has already completely forgotten who freed her from the brown plague. Everything, their memory was cut off. And it’s okay to cut off only the losing Germans, Romanians, Hungarians, Italians, Finns and other allies of the Third Reich. It completely cut off among the Poles, Czechs, French and all the other conquered peoples of Europe.
          However, what am I talking about? All of Europe is covered with one world of mazan, or rather, not with the world, but with a famous fetid substance.
          So I think, how grateful memory will be enough in Syria? Most likely only as much as Russia will be strong and exactly as long as Russia will keep its troops and bases in Syria. Hence the conclusion that it is necessary to wet all left and right, and soak so that they are comfortable and understand who they are dealing with and what will happen to them if something happens!
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 24 January 2018 14: 22 New
            +3
            looking at footage from Syria,
            and what else should be on Russian TV?
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 24 January 2018 14: 26 New
              +3
              Is Gardamir a fan of Anglo-Saxon media and Aljazira?

              Do Russian media cause heartburn?

              Grudinin urgently needs to open his channel. For the flock. Like Poroshenko.

              in the morning there will be news from the fields of the farm. The other half of the day is about the failures of the foreign policy of the Russian Federation, where Gardamir and empathy will finally see the truth.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 24 January 2018 17: 35 New
                +3
                finally the truth.
                don't be angry. Things are good. Frosts finally came to Moscow. Or Sechin cut your salary? Still, sanctions.
          2. Oleg Tolstoy
            Oleg Tolstoy 24 January 2018 16: 55 New
            +7
            The politics of carrots and sticks, nothing new .. In Chechnya, your very clearly visible. First, with a boot in the teeth, everyone under the baseboard, then betting on the largest cockroach under the baseboard and feeding its flocks .. And if you trample from under the baseboard, again with a heel-heel!

            But aren't you disgusted? Strength, the true strength of a long arm, is held in mercy. So it was at the Soviet Union in its heyday
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 24 January 2018 19: 13 New
              +5
              Strength, the true strength of a long arm, is held in mercy. So it was at the Soviet Union in its heyday


              thanks to the mercy of the Russian Federation, Belarus is not bankrupt yet and does not stand on the porch. This is if in fact

              So it’s not disgusting. We help everyone as we can. Only instead of gratitude, everything is as always
            2. Vladimir 5
              Vladimir 5 27 January 2018 20: 51 New
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              Socialism with mercy went into oblivion, belching in Belarus, and they dry .... So be with the wolves. howl like a wolf, and no other way. For example, the United States and other democratic and merciful bombing, built on outright lies.
          3. Gogia
            Gogia 25 January 2018 13: 07 New
            +1
            The Syrians were very nice to the USSR and to Russia they are the same. It is bad that many Arabs for grandmothers will lie and harm even themselves. They have the principle - grab what you see now, and then it will be later .... Therefore, the alliances in the BV disintegrate so quickly. The Kurds did not behave very smartly and sold out to the Yankees, now they will have a very bad time. They were repeatedly offered territories within Syria and Iraq as autonomy, but they also wanted oil and other lands (or rather, their Yankee comrades wanted) And the northern Kurdish territories from Iraq to the Mediterranean Sea suspiciously fit into the concept of transporting hydrocarbons to Europe ... But then rubilovo will begin - Turkey is building a project with Russia, and Turkey is promised to participate in solving the Syrian issue. The main thing is to make the existence of the US contingent unbearable in Syria. In general, the situation is stalemate, slightly drifting towards our interests. Americans have a very large influence on the region, even simply in a military sense.
        3. St Petrov
          St Petrov 24 January 2018 11: 13 New
          +6
          he has many sensible articles. it’s just they don’t fit into your understanding - in which for a long time the mustache has disappeared, capitalism and allegarchs put the Russian woman on her knees and stuff like that
        4. Alber
          Alber 24 January 2018 21: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Antianglosaks
          Although strange, the note is sensible this time.

          M-yes!
          You have to be ready to beat everyone! In turn ...
          And the Turks, and Kurds, and Armenians ... All stand each other. Everyone swears love today, and tomorrow they will stick a knife in the back!
          East is a delicate matter...
          1. Gogia
            Gogia 25 January 2018 13: 08 New
            +1
            The first houses blown up in Moscow are the work of the Armenian nationalists. So the KGB found out.
      2. Loess
        Loess 24 January 2018 10: 54 New
        +9
        As the saying goes "do not add do not reduce"

        I agree with you. Explanatory article, without slogans and sentiments. I learned a lot about the Kurds, although I have never been specifically interested in admitting the Kurdish issue.
        1. tornado
          tornado 24 January 2018 22: 54 New
          +1
          How did you recognize the Kurds? From an article by an English journalist? They wrote at the same time that the Germans in the troop of soldiers were feeding pigs or making soap out of them. In the Second World War, they killed the wounded, and they made soap and lampshades from the Jews. In the Russian-Turkish wars, similar things were written about Russians. Is it possible to believe military propaganda?
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 25 January 2018 00: 18 New
            +2
            Death from Germany? belay This is something new.
          2. andj61
            andj61 25 January 2018 08: 47 New
            +5
            Quote: tornado
            How did you recognize the Kurds? From an article by an English journalist? They wrote at the same time that the Germans in the troop of soldiers were feeding pigs or making soap out of them. In the Second World War, they killed the wounded, and they made soap and lampshades from the Jews. In the Russian-Turkish wars, similar things were written about Russians. Is it possible to believe military propaganda?

            Propaganda, perhaps, is not worth believing. But only in the Second World War, the Nazis made lampshades from the skin of prisoners of concentration camps - Jews, Russians and other untims. And the soap was also boiled. Go to the Museum of Auschwitz (Auschwitz), Treblinka, etc.- and make sure. Yes, and many witnesses have survived. And the documentary evidence, too - the Germans are so neat, in the documents all this was reflected. hi
          3. Vladimir 5
            Vladimir 5 27 January 2018 21: 00 New
            0
            There is a propoganda that "people hawala". and it’s very accessible to check the facts in the e-net era ... And that the Germans in WWII made mattresses and cooked soap, torn crowns and smelted gold into the Reichsbank, these are facts. The Kurds also quickly inquire, and reviews about them, that their hardships are well deserved ...
            1. tornado
              tornado 3 February 2018 00: 59 New
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              The Germans in friends or at hand had the whole of Europe. Was there really no one to cook the “non-human” soap? Hair was shaved during typhoid epidemics, of course - the genocide of lice, you can’t argue. The internet is full of photos of released prisoners. Everything seems to be with hair.
      3. 210ox
        210ox 24 January 2018 10: 57 New
        +2
        Everyone is not necessary .. But arsonists are needed.
        Quote: Chertt
        Who should Russia beat in the Middle East? Everybody!
        With undisguised pleasure I follow the course of the author's analytical thought: Yuri Podolyak (Yurasumy). As the saying goes "do not add do not reduce" wink
      4. seti
        seti 24 January 2018 11: 03 New
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        I always said that you only need to feel sorry for yourself, your country and your people. After all, no one ever spared us. And we are somehow used in our entire history to intervene for someone and help everyone. To whom to whom resources / money. It didn’t come back to us. On the contrary, we later became invaders and enemies. And it was only audible that we owe someone and give. Conclusion - you need to have your own interests and at the expense of others. Develop your country and not invest in strangers. And take care of Russian blood.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 24 January 2018 13: 37 New
          +9
          Conclusion - you need to have your own interests and at the expense of others. Develop your country and not invest in strangers. And take care of Russian blood.


          I absolutely agree with you.
          The policy of helping everyone and everyone for beautiful eyes cost too much for our people ... it's time to close such a shop for free help.
        2. Svetlana
          Svetlana 24 January 2018 13: 54 New
          +7
          Quote: seti
          Conclusion - you need to have your own interests and at the expense of others. Develop your country and not invest in strangers.

          So far, only America has succeeded.
          Quote: seti
          And take care of Russian blood.
          But this is precisely in modern Russia that the goal of the high command is not. Russian blood is shed exclusively in order to protect the interests of the oligarchy, which is in alliance with opponents of Russia. In most cases, officers themselves do not really understand what the war is about.
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 24 January 2018 16: 29 New
            +2
            In most cases, officers themselves do not really understand what the war is about.


            Svetochka, is that how you determined? Have a survey? Or just too much mind?

            But this is precisely in modern Russia that the goal of the high command is not. Russian blood is shed exclusively in order to protect the interests of the oligarchy, which is in alliance with opponents of Russia.


            Have you been bled yet? Or are you included in the plans of the oligarchy?
      5. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 24 January 2018 14: 16 New
        +1
        "In the city of Sochi, dark nights!"
        January 29-30, 2018 in Sochi Congress of the Syrian National Dialogue
        Here Russia must be ready for anything
    2. Yurasumy
      24 January 2018 10: 37 New
      +2
      Meaning of the word Ally by Ephraim:
      Ally - 1. One who acts in alliance (1 * 1) with smb., Smth. Is connected with smb. common interests, views, etc. // ported That which helps helps smb., Smth.
      2. One who is in union (1 * 2) with smb.

      The meaning of the word Ally Ozhegov:
      Ally - One who is in the 1 N1 / 2 alliance acts in concert with someone
      1. Chertt
        Chertt 24 January 2018 11: 02 New
        +4
        You, dear, will have to write two explanatory notes for each comment. And there are such (I suspect shkolota). that in general you will not find a thought
      2. Svetlana
        Svetlana 24 January 2018 11: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: yurasumy
        Ally - One who is in the 1 N1 / 2 alliance acts in concert with someone

        The fact is that since Turkey has NEVER been an ally of Russia, is it not a cruel mistake to ally with it now? Our ancestors were not fools, not entering into any alliances with the Turks at any time. There were only periods without war with them. Now we just let the goat into the garden.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 24 January 2018 11: 16 New
          +8
          Now we just let the goat into the garden.


          it would be better if the kazla in the garden crawl and solve problems than our military substitutes under fire.

          because there is a task for the Kurds and it must be solved.
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 24 January 2018 11: 44 New
            +5
            Quote: c-Petrov
            Now we just let the goat into the garden.


            it would be better if the kazla in the garden crawl and solve problems than our military substitutes under fire.

            because there is a task for the Kurds and it must be solved.

            Our military was exposed to fire, Russia was wasting its resources, both human and material, all this time for the interests of the United States and Turkey, and now, when it was alleged that ISIS was completely defeated, they decided to think about preserving these resources? I do not see the logic. It’s the same as after the victory over Germany, to finish off the remnants of the Nazis and divide the territories in Europe liberated by us into zones of influence by the forces of the Anglo-Saxons and according to their understanding. Turkey now pursues its own interests, and sneeze at ours. And any agreements may be violated after Turkey and the USA achieve what they want.
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 24 January 2018 12: 14 New
              +8
              Turkey has announced that it is conducting an operation and is in favor of preserving Syria as a single state without dividing into enclaves.

              But the Kurds still want their own state and advocate for the dismemberment of Syria.

              Our desires coincided with the Turks. Therefore, they do what they do and our MTR does not work on them.
              1. Svetlana
                Svetlana 24 January 2018 13: 48 New
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                Quote: s-t Petrov
                Turkey has announced that it is conducting an operation and is in favor of preserving Syria as a single state without dividing into enclaves.

                What kind of Turks, it turns out, are disinterested! Who would have thought?! Spend huge sums on a military operation to maintain the integrity of Syria? Sounds fantastically unreal!
                1. serg999
                  serg999 24 January 2018 19: 17 New
                  0
                  It’s clear to hell that the Turks are trying to solve their problems. But who said that they will succeed? They will succeed only in what we allow to succeed. So understandable?
        2. Nehist
          Nehist 25 January 2018 00: 00 New
          +2
          Svetlana You are severely mistaken. Russia has more than once entered into military-political alliances with Turkey. Take the Napoleonic Wars
          1. anatoly57
            anatoly57 25 January 2018 09: 02 New
            +3
            And Admiral Ushakov, who repeatedly beat the Turks, commanded the combined Russian-Turkish squadron. There was such a thing!
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 24 January 2018 14: 31 New
        +1
        One who is in union (1 * 2) with smb.
        Ankara solves its issues, expands its territory afrinnash. What is Russia before?
    3. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx 24 January 2018 10: 53 New
      +8
      Quote: Gardamir
      Again, I repeat the question, what are the Turks doing in Syria?

      something I don’t see Syria actively outraged and reacted to the actions of Turkey. I propose to give Syria the opportunity to understand this issue itself and support it if, and not the Kurds, to which, by the way, we do not owe anything (neither agreements, nor promises, or anything else).
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 24 January 2018 14: 21 New
        +4
        something I don’t see Syria actively outraged and reacted
        I forgot how to write, something like not time yet? Or a cat left kittens, they want to blame everything on the Kurds.
        Putin, too, is not particularly indignant, only regrets that our collapsible is not allowed to the Olympics.
        1. Cxnumx
          Cxnumx 24 January 2018 15: 00 New
          +5
          Quote: Gardamir
          I forgot how to write, something like not time yet? Or a cat left kittens, they want to blame everything on the Kurds.
          Putin, too, is not particularly indignant, only regrets that our collapsible is not allowed to the Olympics.

          No, of course you have to get into everything. especially without an invitation.
          Well, about Putin in general "in the subject." I think you do not remember about Putin, only if ... well, I don’t know ... ah! when something good and useful happens, it has nothing to do with it!
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 24 January 2018 16: 14 New
            +4
            about Putin in general "in the subject"
            that is, he also has no relation to foreign policy?
            1. serg999
              serg999 24 January 2018 19: 20 New
              +1
              You joked, so joked! A true liberalist!
      2. Simple russian
        Simple russian 25 January 2018 11: 51 New
        +1
        I support. When the "greens" urinate the "blacks" and vice versa, then this is a plus for Syria (and Russia). And when the US ally (for NATO) Turkey pounds the US ally in Syria, the Kurds, and in most cases with the hands of one more bearded man, then I think this is also a plus. And let them do it as efficiently as possible. And Syria must sit on the shore and wait for the corpses of its enemies to pass by (Chinese wisdom). Assad does not have much strength and they are busy in Idlib.
    4. andrewkor
      andrewkor 24 January 2018 12: 40 New
      0
      Against Napoleon were allies.
    5. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 24 January 2018 14: 29 New
      +9
      Turkey has never been an ally of Russia.


      Ah, no. After the anti-monarchist French revolution, Russia joined the anti-French coalition, Turkey became an ally, and Vice Admiral Ushakov was instructed to lead the Mediterranean Russian-Turkish expedition of 1798-1800 ... wink
    6. andj61
      andj61 24 January 2018 17: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: Gardamir
      Today Ankara is an ally of Moscow,
      Turkey has never been an ally of Russia. Now the Turks in Syria are solving their tasks. But ... But we were previously told that the Russian army in Syria, at the invitation of Assad, is to protect the integrity of Syria. Again, I repeat the question, what are the Turks doing in Syria?
      And do not blah blah, about the fact that the Kurds are supposedly allies of the United States, for some reason only the Kurds beaten by Turkey. And what will happen to Syria when Turkey enters it?

      Turkey, of course, is not and was not an ally of Russia. But in Syria, Turkey is now deciding the security of its borders, because there, in northern Syria, in Kurdish enclaves, are the armed wing of the terrorist Kurdistan Workers Party, against which Turkey has been fighting for more than a dozen years. Turkey could not allow there not only the creation, but also the consolidation of the terrorist base for long times. January 20, 1918 Moscow invited the Kurds to stand under the flag of the Assad government. This would also suit Turkey - then Russia and Iran would be responsible for the activities of the Kurds. But the Kurds flatly refused, relying on US assistance. Moreover, Turkey - at least in words, advocates the territorial unity of Syria. And her words are not at odds with the deed. Moreover, Turkey is not an enemy to ALL Kurds. Kurds Barzani in Iraq maintained good relations with Turkey - until the moment they declared their independence. Ankara immediately opposed. But Turkey did not stop trading with Iraqi Kurdistan, namely with those who do not support the Kurdistan Workers Party.
      So in this particular case, the actions of Turkey cannot be unambiguously assessed even from the position of ensuring the territorial integrity of Syria - after all, the Turks are fighting against separatists who refuse to deal with the Assad government. hi
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 24 January 2018 17: 43 New
        +2
        So
        you said it right. The message is simply unpleasant. The Kurds were appointed US allies, but still funnier. Turks in Afrin, Syrian (Russian) troops in Idlib. Is it worth it to break spears and write several articles, even if the site is Military Review.
  2. svp67
    svp67 24 January 2018 10: 46 New
    +5
    Who should Russia beat in the Middle East? Everybody!
    And the main thing is to yell loudly, with a clear Ryazan accent: "Whoever didn’t hide, I AM NOT GUILTY", you can ..
  3. BAI
    BAI 24 January 2018 11: 10 New
    +6
    It is pointless to evaluate the actions of the Kurds in 1877 and 1915 from the point of view of European or Russian values. We have only one word for this: atrocity.

    And from 1941 to 1945 was everything normal? However, we and Israel have established relations with Germany and no one reproaches anyone. According to the example of Ukraine, can a lawsuit be brought against Mongolia for the Mongol-Tatar yoke?
    1. CCM on grass skiing
      CCM on grass skiing 24 January 2018 11: 38 New
      +3
      Indeed, the author smacks of Great Russian chauvinism. Why not remember that Muscovites are “more animal” than Novgorodtsev? After all, the Ivanes (3 and 4) were very fond of pacifying the rebellious and collecting veche bells. All slaughtered everyone and stupid to be considered. "An eye for an eye will lead to the blindness of the world"
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 24 January 2018 13: 43 New
        +7
        Indeed, the author smacks of Great Russian chauvinism.


        Since when the defense of one’s interests has become chauvinism ... with the same success one can accuse anyone in the world of chauvinism ... even Chinese ... even Germans ... even Jews.
    2. Shahno
      Shahno 24 January 2018 11: 41 New
      +8
      No need to evaluate the current history based on the past, I think this is a mistake. But you can’t forget your ancestors ... Something like this. And so I really hope that gradually an understanding of the actions of the Israelis will come ... Here it is impossible in another way. Unfortunately. You will not build everyone; tomorrow you will not have time to discuss democratic values. And after that, you can agree.
      1. uskrabut
        uskrabut 24 January 2018 14: 10 New
        +3
        For more than 3000 years, Jews in the region have been seething with locals (with varying success) and are aware of the norms and rules of behavior in the "cradle of human civilization"
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 January 2018 11: 35 New
    10
    when Turkey and the Kurds again got down to business as usualthat is, they began to cut each other
    We must pay tribute to the author for a successful irony. +
  5. Mih1974
    Mih1974 24 January 2018 11: 42 New
    +8
    I support the author - "looking at how you cut each other there, we - lol we will regret all the dead. " repeat Those who did not want to live peacefully under the power of the Russian Crown - aibolit themselves. )))
  6. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 24 January 2018 11: 57 New
    +2
    Here it is, the unlimited power of the media over the minds of people. Now they determine where is white and where is black, what is good and what is bad. And people are like sheep, they keep their eyes closed and have no memory.
  7. flicker
    flicker 24 January 2018 12: 53 New
    +5
    But just as well, the Kurds themselves do not need to try to appeal to European values ​​today.

    We speak Kurds - we mean the whole east. As for the humanism of European values ​​- the outbreak of 2 world wars, and the whole mess (Libya, Iraq, Syria) is also a manifestation of European values. And the “orders”, especially of BV, are unlikely to give way to them in this, but they will teach them in some other ways. The right of the strong, neither there nor there has anyone canceled. The problem is that, with such a set of “values,” Mankind will soon destroy itself. It is one thing to fight with swords and darts, conventional bullets and shells, and quite another with nuclear weapons.
    We either bang ourselves (with such values) - or we must rely on other values, i.e. alternative humane values. It is not without reason that they believe that the Orthodox Faith and Orthodox values ​​are closest to such values. I emphasize: closest, I do not want to absolutize. And Mankind (in order not to self-destruct) must drift towards these values. Be it Kurds, Turks or others. Therefore, our position is: to resolve conflicts primarily through negotiations. But if the Kurds do not understand this, then the Turks will educate them, if the Turks do not understand, then the Kurds will in turn educate them. But we are not going to beat anyone, we suggest that they solve problems through negotiations. True, it’s better for someone after massacre, when they suddenly find themselves on the verge of self-destruction. So the Kurds with the Turks seem to go through this.
    And we will wait until they mature before negotiations.
  8. Des10
    Des10 24 January 2018 13: 06 New
    +4
    And then there was 1915, when the Kurds again “helped” the Turks solve the Armenian issue, now radically and forever. As a "reward" for their assistance, the Turkish government allowed the Kurds to keep all their loot, as well as the lands and homes of their victims.
    oh-oh ... and the post-Soviet republics are all with the “squeezing” of Russians, and the Caucasian regions are not “republics” even subsidized - with the same message? The method is the same. (The Jews are the same - in Poland, the Poles (it hurts me) themselves and surrendered to the ghetto, concentration camps.)
    The author is right - one must be --- strong.
  9. Anyone
    Anyone 24 January 2018 13: 15 New
    +3
    Quote: Shahno
    No need to evaluate the current history based on the past, I think this is a mistake. But you can’t forget your ancestors ... Something like this. And so I really hope that gradually an understanding of the actions of the Israelis will come ... Here it is impossible in another way. Unfortunately. You will not build everyone; tomorrow you will not have time to discuss democratic values. And after that, you can agree.

    This is not a mistake, but a custom article. In light of the fact that the thesis that “Russia threw the Kurds to be eaten by the Turks” is being actively discussed, the author quickly concocted a note about which Kurds radishes and generally ate Russian babies in Bayazet. In fact, the author should be reminded that the main punitive units in the Ottoman army were Janissaries, consisting of ethnic Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks, etc.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 24 January 2018 17: 04 New
      +1
      By the way, quite by the time the author "cooked up" a note that corrects the brain. And the Kurdish defenders, who are already daydreaming like a pair of Russian squadrons and a company of special forces, are vigorously chasing up Turkish divisions.
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    2. andj61
      andj61 24 January 2018 17: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Anyone
      In fact, the author should be reminded that the main punitive units in the Ottoman army were Janissaries, consisting of ethnic Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks, etc.

      Actually, the Janissaries were an elite army of Christian Boys by origin brought up in strict Islamic traditions in Muslim families and then taken to the Janissaries. Since the 17th century, they began to take Muslims to the Janissaries. But, most importantly, the Janissaries of NIKAK could not destroy the Armenians and Russians in Bayazet, and later throughout Armenia, since back in 1826 the corps of Janissaries was officially abolished by decree of Sultan Mahmud II, and the revolt of the indignant Janissaries by decree was severely suppressed.
      The punitive units at that time were the so-called Bashibuzuki is an irregular auxiliary force, recruited, as a rule, in Europe - from Bosnians and Muslim Albanians, and in Anatolia - just from Kurds ... So the author is right. yes hi
      1. Anyone
        Anyone 24 January 2018 17: 23 New
        +1
        I did not say a word about any participation of the Janissaries in the context of the Bayazet massacre. Check out my post again.
        What is the author right? Is it that we don’t need to help the Kurds today, since they participated, while serving in the Ottoman army, in the siege of Bayazet? )))
        1. andj61
          andj61 24 January 2018 17: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Anyone
          I did not say a word about the Janissary precisely in the context of Bayazet. Check out my post again.

          Not necessarily in the context of Bayazet - this is so, a trifle. The author should not be reminded that .. "in the Ottoman army, the main punitive units were the Janissaries, consisting of ethnic Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks, etc."
          Janissaries - this is the elite of the army, an analogue of the guard regiments in the Russian Empire. They were NEVER punitive. hi
          1. Anyone
            Anyone 24 January 2018 17: 38 New
            0
            You tell the Serbs. By the way, do not remind me how the First Serbian Uprising began? )))
  10. Anyone
    Anyone 24 January 2018 13: 31 New
    +3
    And the author’s thesis itself
    Who should Russia beat in the Middle East? Everybody!

    implies justification for any action. And if conditionally tomorrow Russia throws Assad, then such authors will tell us that it is right, that the Alawites are really bad, and they will certainly tell the mantra that, they say, Russia has no allies except the fleet and the army.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 24 January 2018 13: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Anyone
      And the author’s thesis itself
      Who should Russia beat in the Middle East? Everybody!

      implies justification for any action. And if conditionally tomorrow Russia throws Assad, then such authors will tell us that it is right, that the Alawites are really bad, and they will certainly tell the mantra that, they say, Russia has no allies except the fleet and the army.

      To this and goes.
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 24 January 2018 19: 03 New
      +1
      Oh wei and sho such Russia (and I personally) shoto owed Assad? Taki - no. We came to them ourselves, we can also ourselves, and leave if someone thinks a lot about themselves.
      Kurds want independence, their own state (???) - so the Kalashnikov help them repeat . Own state is not "presented on a silver platter", a fig must be fought for it soldier and fight not “as much as we have forces”, but as much as is required to defeat ALL who are against your state.
      Yes, no matter how cruel it may sound. The world is cruel and merciless, here Gaddafi has flickered (or thought that he was the smartest) and instead of making a nuclear bomb - he handed everything over to the mercy of the West - his end is indicative of all, Eun - did not flicker and made a thermonuclear bomb and on bolt 16 he twirled all the squeals and accusations of the West. And no one will do anything with Eun.
      The Kurds want somostism - let them win the war with those who are against and we "shake their hand." Do not win - "we will regret all the dead."
  11. flicker
    flicker 24 January 2018 13: 38 New
    +3
    The Kurds can solve the problem with the Turks only through an alliance with Syria, Iraq and Iran. In the same way, Turks cannot solve the problem of Kurds on their own, they need the help of Syria, Iraq, and
    Iran. Therefore, the Turks, solving the problem with the Kurds, should be considered with the position of Syria, Iraq, Iran on the Kurds.
    Being considered will find more peaceful solutions - the same can be said for the Kurds (must reckon with Syria, Iraq, Iran.
    And we will help to comply with their agreement.
  12. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 24 January 2018 14: 01 New
    +5
    About Europe and the "New Europeans":
    - Imagine a grandmother sitting in her clean little apartment. Everywhere napkins, thingies, old beautiful furniture, on the window geranium in a pot. This blissful, sweet grandmother looks out of the window and sees two dirty, tattered homeless people. She opens the window and calls them to rise to her. He feeds them a delicious dinner, pours collection wine, plays the piano ...
    After that, they rape the grandmother, including in a perverted form, spoil the piano, destroy furniture, and throw the mistress herself out onto the street. And so she sits on the sidewalk and looks at the broken window of her apartment, at the geranium uprooted, and tears flow down her good face ... Presented? But the worst thing about this story is that this old fool is crying not because of her own idiocy, but because of pity for “poor boys who don’t know what they are doing” ...

    Do you feel sorry for her? I do not. I hate her.
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    2. andj61
      andj61 24 January 2018 17: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      About Europe and the "New Europeans":
      - Imagine a grandmother sitting in her clean little apartment. Everywhere napkins, thingies, old beautiful furniture, on the window geranium in a pot. This blissful, sweet grandmother looks out of the window and sees two dirty, tattered homeless people. She opens the window and calls them to rise to her. He feeds them a delicious dinner, pours collection wine, plays the piano ...
      After that, they rape the grandmother, including in a perverted form, spoil the piano, destroy furniture, and throw the mistress herself out onto the street. And so she sits on the sidewalk and looks at the broken window of her apartment, at the geranium uprooted, and tears flow down her good face ... Presented? But the worst thing about this story is that this old fool is crying not because of her own idiocy, but because of pity for “poor boys who don’t know what they are doing” ...

      Do you feel sorry for her? I do not. I hate her.

      good To the Point! hi
  13. uskrabut
    uskrabut 24 January 2018 14: 04 New
    +5
    "You can evaluate any events in the Middle East only through the prism of the peculiarities of the region and in no case through the prism of the so-called" universal values ​​"or Russian humanism."
    GOLD WORDS!
    Morals in the east, to put it mildly, filthy. The whole history of the region is a complete genocide (the first to start the Jews, settling on the promised land), this is betrayal, this lack of pride and principles. There, if you didn’t get it by the ears, then you are the winner. Therefore, constant massacre.
    Russia in this region must take a pragmatic position, in all our actions should be useful. And by no means do not allow any attempt on the life and dignity of the Russians, punish it cruelly, as they used to.
    "Good always triumphs over evil. So whoever triumphed is good."
  14. high
    high 24 January 2018 17: 53 New
    0
    Quote: uskrabut
    "You can evaluate any events in the Middle East only through the prism of the peculiarities of the region and in no case through the prism of the so-called" universal values ​​"or Russian humanism."
    GOLD WORDS!
    Morals in the east, to put it mildly, filthy. The whole history of the region is a complete genocide (the first to start the Jews, settling on the promised land), this is betrayal, this lack of pride and principles. There, if you didn’t get it by the ears, then you are the winner. Therefore, constant massacre.
    Russia in this region must take a pragmatic position, in all our actions should be useful. And by no means do not allow any attempt on the life and dignity of the Russians, punish it cruelly, as they used to.
    "Good always triumphs over evil. So whoever triumphed is good."


    Arabs are running. Fleeing from Syria and Iraq, Morocco, Libya and Algeria ...
    They run from wherever you can run from.
    Forgotten the ancestral homeland ......
    They flee - and no one, even Allah, can stop this flight. Arabs do not flee only from where they live the worst under the yoke of Israeli occupation and the blockade of Gaza.

    If you believe the UN Secretary General and the "international community" - there is no more terrible place for Arabs to live than Samaria, Judea and Gaza.
    Monstrous hunger, powerlessness and incredible deprivation make the world community suffer day and night at the thought of the unfortunate "Palestinian people."

    Not a single group of the world's population has enjoyed and does not enjoy such caring, constant, loving attention as miserable Arabs ruled by bloodthirsty Jews. But, oddly enough, the "Palestinians" are not going to run anywhere

    All Arabs are fleeing, only the "Palestinians" are amazing patriots.

    Evil tongues argue. that Gaza and territories is the only place in the region where Arabs live calmly and richly under the yoke of Israel, but they are evil for that.
    In fact, the Arabs of Gaza and territories are not allowed to flee, since this very worldly, anti-Semitic community has set them the difficult task of destroying the Jewish state.

    At the same time, the fierce enemies of the "Palestinians" - the Jews - must feed them, heal, supply water and electricity, so that, God forbid, they decided not to run into the arms of their native and hospitable liberals from Germany, France, Sweden, Norway .....
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 25 January 2018 04: 51 New
      +1
      But about supplying water - you mentioned it in vain am For you are creatures and not God. By fire and sword, you took control of water resources, and BV is not the middle strip of Russia (who did not know), where all kinds of rivers, streams and small lakes are apparently invisible. THERE is water - this is really the Basis of life, it is more important than oil, gas, and even gold. There have always been wars in essence for access to water. The same crusaders simply suffered terrible losses due to the inability to fight in desert areas, in addition to deaths from thirst or heatstrokes, the key defeat of one of the campaigns was that the Muslims lured the army of the crusaders behind them, wound the whole day in the desert and at the end of the evening were tired and exhausted from thirst - chopped a vlug. negative Izrail took all water sources and sells them to his farmers (or whatever they call them) at an expensive price, and left the WATERS to the Palestinians. negative am . And so that the Palestinians would not try to plant (even a camel thorn) they have no chance to grow anything - there is NO water. That’s for you personally to be pushed into the steam room for a couple of days and not to let water out with you - then you wouldn’t blather here "the Jews provide them with water ..". good It’s as if (for Russians in Russia I’m writing) someone with arms grabbed your house, drove out on the street and only in winter allowed to bask in the hallway on the door mat.
      We don’t need to go about ears of "holy yavreys" here. We all understand perfectly well that there you all will happily cut their throats and that nobody will “shelter” the Palestinians or save them from your yoke. But you, the Jews, do not whitewash him in any way - just as you held the Palestinians for slaves - you still do. am
      A separate conversation is your attacks on foreign countries - "wah they were preparing weapons that could threaten us" am . Or maybe Russia will consider that your nuclear weapons, which “you don’t have,” are also “threatening” us and will bomb your arsenals and launchers? good Oh, what a pichalka it will be, the country you have is maaalenky and if you miss the Strategic Missile Forces, and they showed you this a couple of years ago, it will be easier to "fill up and paint over" this place on the map than to "repair".
      So - sit quietly do not meddle with others, especially supporting, supplying and treating terrorists. am
      1. andj61
        andj61 25 January 2018 08: 54 New
        0
        Quote: Mih1974
        here about to supply with water - you mentioned it in vain For - you creatures are not God. By fire and sword, you took control of water resources, and BV is not the middle strip of Russia (who did not know), where all kinds of rivers, streams and small lakes are apparently invisible. THERE is water - this is really the Basis of life, it is more important than oil, gas, and even gold. There have always been wars in fact over access to water.

        good Right! For example, in the 60s, Arabs blocked the river flow from the Golan Heights to Israel, which was one of the reasons for the war. Israel captured the Golan Heights so that this would not be repeated. And since Papa Assad did not agree to a peace treaty, the Golan was annexed. Now Israel is self-sufficient in terms of water - modern desalination plants work perfectly. In the Arab countries, this is not the case. hi
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  16. a.sirin
    a.sirin 24 January 2018 20: 48 New
    +1
    Interesting ... the author "read" the story? First, Russia will “beat everyone” ... and if what happens (with Russia), it may turn out that everyone will beat Russia

    Today there are no "allies" left at all. There are only sympathizers and customers. Well ... for now, there is power and money.
    But for now.
    Time passes, everything changes. Well, if in the presence of a certain "strength" - more likely demonstrated than real-life - friends - "0", then (forbid) with some weakening ...
    In general, the average world growth rate of about 2,5%. If Russia has (in reality) a percentage, then it’s good. I’m not talking about the States ...
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 25 January 2018 04: 54 New
      +2
      Russia now has only three allies - the Army, Navy, Strategic Rocket Forces soldier .
      Everyone and always were just parasites who wanted to enter Paradise on the neck of a Russian. negative And the enemies NEVER sidestepped Russia and the security of Russia is not in imaginary “allies”, but only in its Force. good
      1. a.sirin
        a.sirin 27 January 2018 01: 42 New
        +1
        Are you on a subsidy for each "post" or write nonsense at the inner call?
  17. MadCat
    MadCat 25 January 2018 01: 55 New
    +1
    All the Armenian men whom the “liberators” overtook were killed, women and children were also killed, and sometimes they were thrown alive into bonfires for fun. At the same time, the Kurds, brutalized by blood, killed even those Turks who dared to save their Armenian neighbors.

    it’s weak to justify their flight from the Turks “peacekeepers from Russia” by saying that 150 years ago the Kurds were very bad uncles, and now you need to cut them out to the Turks without fail? I think after this, few have any illusions about Russia.
  18. Dimmih
    Dimmih 25 January 2018 10: 53 New
    0
    Quote: “A new phase has begun in the Syrian war. ISIS (ISIS, banned in Russia) is almost destroyed.” Hello to you, but they, the destroyed then know about it? Yuri Podolyak, the author of the article, shot a set of slogans, was about to beat someone, though not with his own hands. Yuri, ay, how did you distinguish yourself in Syria, who did you beat there?
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  20. Opera
    Opera 25 January 2018 16: 02 New
    +1
    Sometimes it’s very interesting to read comments ...) "... Turkey has never been an ally for us! How long will the Syrians have enough gratitude? We help everyone how we can! Women's laments about the oligarchs and again Turkey, which we let out like a goat in garden!))) And of course the USSR, as an image of the power of mercy! " Well, what without the USSR ?! I just want to ask you gentlemen, comrades and ladies - what are you talking about ?! It seems that after a dozen comments, there is no talk about exactly what we are commenting on! All those very hackneyed topics! And most of all I liked the very tough question in the first comment - what are the Turks doing in Syria ?! No, here the comrade is ready to repeat again and answer him precious without blah blah blah - what are they doing there ?! You know, they used to say to him that we are there to protect integrity ... That is, it turns out that he was deceived since now the Turks are there even without an invitation !!!!! If a comrade really does not understand, and does not ask this question in order to convict the Russian authorities of a lie, then I can answer - the Turks there solve their Turkish questions on the disposal of their Kurdish sworn partners! By the way, the Kurds are indeed Turkish partners in the Armenian Genocide and in their free time they regularly recycle the Turks! So what?! Will we be sorry for someone? Syrian integrity is not an intrinsic value for Russia either. With all due respect to the Syrians, they are no better than say Cypriots! We don’t fly there yet?) Russia in Syria defends its interests - military, economic ... in short, geopolitical! This is our special moralists, as it is necessary to learn. And do not demand universal love and gratitude and the era of Soviet mercy, which was not from the word at all, from everyone in a row (including from the Syrians)! Oh oh Bulgarians are ungrateful and further down the list ... Well, yes! I agree! Well, to hell with them! I don’t need love from them! Well, except that they showed here on TV like that a couple of pretty syrik ... And of course, Turkey is not our ally! Situational yes it can. And who is our ally in general ?! When and at what times ?! There are none of them. And in order not to be disappointed, you don’t have to wait for this from someone! Who if not we?! AND? But we can and have been given a lot - it won’t be enough!
  21. Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 27 January 2018 12: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Svetlana
    Our ancestors were not fools, not entering into any alliances with the Turks at any time. There were only periods without war with them. Now we just let the goat into the garden.

    Ushakov and the Turks beat the French. I don’t remember anymore.
  22. Lynx33
    Lynx33 31 January 2018 07: 12 New
    0
    Good article. Only it is necessary to beat not all at once, but in turn, not forgetting to throw in the "necessary" information in the media and preferably with large bombs. There are no good people there and never was.