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On the "Pro-Russian" Kurds and the Russian "Treason"

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On the second day of the Turkish military operation in the Kurdish enclave of Afrin, the commander in chief of the YPG Kurdish units, Sipan Hemo, said that Moscow had betrayed the Kurds.

“Russia is currently an ally of the Turkish state. We had our agreements with Russia, but she ignored them, betraying us. ”


If Sipan Hemo had said all this, replacing the word "Russia" with "USA", then everything would be logical and true. But all this was said precisely in relation to Moscow, which means that it is just right to raise eyebrows in surprise and ask the commander of the YPG detachments: since when did Russia become an ally of the Syrian Kurds? It seems to me that the time has come to put all the dots on i in this question and to stop speculating on this topic, since all this makes an unnecessary split line in Russian patriotic society.

Kurds surrounded: the enemy of my enemy

Yes, it is true, the Kurdish enclave in the northwestern part of Syria fought shoulder to shoulder with the Syrian government soldiers against the so-called forces of the Free Syrian Army for a very long time. But here everything was just logical and understandable. The SSA detachments were supervised by Ankara, and at that time neither the Kurds nor the Syrian government units could expect anything good from it. That is why Damascus at that time and supplied the local Kurdish detachments with weapons, ammunition and food.



In this case, the principle worked: the enemy of my enemy, to me, if not a friend, then at least an ally. It is noteworthy that even then the Kurds preferred to fight with common enemies not in the ranks of the government army, but as separate national units. And it was a bright contrast with the same Deir-ez-Zor, where the Armenian diaspora, fearing that igil thugs would be cut out (IS prohibited in Russia), fought with Syrian government soldiers shoulder to shoulder and under the Syrian banner.

Turkey enters the Russian camp

In this symbiosis (Kurds plus CAA) everything was fine until the summer of 2016, when Russia did not manage to drag Turkey into its camp. It was from that moment, and not in January of 2018, that the tracks of the Kurds and official Damascus, and therefore of Russia, diverged.

But they still had a choice then. For this, the Kurds only needed to enter into negotiations with the Syrian government and participate in the peace process to resolve the situation in Syria. If they did that, they would be guaranteed a worthy place in the new Syrian state and full protection from the encroachments of Turkey.

But the Kurds preferred to choose a new ally - Washington. As a result, the Kurdish paramilitary forces of the YPG switched to supply from American warehouses, and their fighters began to learn military craft from American instructors. It seemed to Kurds then that they had made the right choice, and America, the long-time hegemon of the Middle East, would not give them any offense.

Russian peacekeepers



The last help that at the beginning of 2017 of the year Russia decided to provide to its outgoing ally was the introduction of Russian peacekeepers to the line of demarcation between pro-Turkish and Kurdish troops. Then there was still hope that sooner or later the Kurds will be able to convince, and they will still join the peace process in Syria. But it turned out the opposite. Every month, the power in the enclave became more pro-American and less pro-Russian. Yes, the Kurds were not opposed to the Russians defending them against the fury of the Turks and actually creating a barrier in the direction most convenient for the offensive of the Turkish Armed Forces of Turkey (from the east and south-east from Afrin).

But at the same time they did not stop receiving from the USA weapon, ammunition, as well as new instructions for further action. That is why we did not see the Kurds in the lists of negotiators under the auspices of Russia. For myself, they have long been all decided. For them, the friend of their enemy, that is, Russia, can in no way be a friend.

Betrayal of the USA

The Kurds received the last offer from Moscow on January 20, literally on the eve of the Turkish offensive. Russia last called on the Kurds to come to their senses, break with the United States and raise the Syrian banner. At the same time, Ankara said that they are quite satisfied with this scenario, and in this case they will cancel their military operation. The Kurdish response was arrogant and unambiguous:

On the "Pro-Russian" Kurds and the Russian "Treason"


"We ourselves will defend our lands."

Aldar Khalil is a member of the Executive Committee of the DDO (“Movement for a Democratic Society”).

Apparently, Kurdish politicians, giving such an answer to Moscow, still continued to hope for US assistance. But the State Department, having made a long, more than daily pause, and after consulting with Ankara, preferred to surrender its trustful ally:



“We are concerned about the military operation of Turkey in the north of Syria. At the same time, we recognize and fully recognize Turkey’s legitimate right to protect its citizens from terrorist elements who may attack Turkish citizens and Turkish land from Syria. ”

US Secretary of State Tillerson.

Here it is, a real betrayal of the Kurdish people. It was the Americans who betrayed their ally and, for political reasons, gave him to their long-standing enemies for reprisal. But for some reason, the Kurds prefer to keep silent about this real betrayal. Sipan Hemo is silent about him in his address. Apparently, he understands from whose cauldron slurps, and does not dare to say a word of reproach to his true master. At the same time, he is absolutely not embarrassed that his words in today's realities seem to be absolute nonsense.
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 23 January 2018 10: 06 New
    16
    How miserable and helpless this Sipan Hemo looks, the Americans didn’t sickly throw them, right in the wolf’s mouth, which will not stand on ceremony with them.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 23 January 2018 10: 37 New
      22
      Quote: Spartanez300
      not sickly Americans threw them

      Kurds do not want to admit themselves to be shit, and seek guilty of their own stupidity
      1. 210ox
        210ox 23 January 2018 10: 53 New
        13
        The Ramses were completely confused. And why didn’t they say that the felons betrayed them? I’m far from considering the Turks as allies, but the Kurds are still those ..
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: Spartanez300
        not sickly Americans threw them

        Kurds do not want to admit themselves to be shit, and seek guilty of their own stupidity
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 23 January 2018 13: 49 New
          +5
          Quote: 210ox
          Kurds do not want to admit themselves to be shit, and seek guilty of their own stupidity

          Video from the 55 min. All disassembled by bones.
          1. svd-xnumx
            svd-xnumx 23 January 2018 19: 50 New
            +6
            Back in 2016, I foreseen such a situation with the Kurds
            svd-73 April 6, 2016 20:45 pm | Western countries and Ukraine blocked a Russian press statement calling for the representativeness of the Geneva settlement process in Syria and the transparency of its coverage
            I would have formulated a little differently. This was done to please Erdogan, contrary to the unification of the Kurds and the reconstruction of the state of Kurdistan.
            Removing the Kurds from the negotiation process is more likely to push them into conflict with the central government, this is a bomb under the new Syrian government. God forbid, Shiites will agree with the Sunnis, and then the bah Kurds with their self-determination and which it is quite possible to coerce with the same Turks. Americans and Iraqis laid.
            Complaint svd-73
            , and I think it was clear to everyone for a long time. And our troops killed the Kurds during the crossing of the Euphrates in Deir Zor (I hope you remember the dead general?), they simply did not inflate, agreeing on a good deal.
        2. your1970
          your1970 24 January 2018 11: 30 New
          +3
          Kurds are very specific nationality ..
          They manage to be on the counter with all the neighbors at the same time ...
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 24 January 2018 17: 35 New
            0
            Quote: your1970
            Kurds are very specific nationality ..

            nuuuu .... as we can see, they are not current ... Turkaras, Ukrainians, Psheks, "Jews", etc, etc ... so nothing specific !!! wassat tongue tongue lol lol lol
            1. your1970
              your1970 25 January 2018 10: 56 New
              0
              Quote: Nikolai Grek
              Quote: your1970
              Kurds are very specific nationality ..

              nuuuu .... as we can see, they are not current ... Turkaras, Ukrainians, Psheks, "Jews", etc, etc ... so nothing specific !!! wassat tongue tongue lol lol lol
              - you just didn’t come across them .... after Ayatskov accepted a bunch of refugees from Turkish Kurdistan in the 90s, the people said - what better gypsies ...
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 25 January 2018 18: 06 New
                0
                Quote: your1970
                Quote: Nikolai Grek
                Quote: your1970
                Kurds are very specific nationality ..

                nuuuu .... as we can see, they are not current ... Turkaras, Ukrainians, Psheks, "Jews", etc, etc ... so nothing specific !!! wassat tongue tongue lol lol lol
                - you just didn’t come across them .... after Ayatskov accepted a bunch of refugees from Turkish Kurdistan in the 90s, the people said - what better gypsies ...

                I talked about your "counter with neighbors" ... in this case they are not particularly specific !!! request request laughing laughing
        3. Semyonych
          Semyonych 25 January 2018 11: 51 New
          0
          This has already happened. And you are a Kurd ?!
      2. volot-voin
        volot-voin 23 January 2018 16: 24 New
        10
        Quote: Chertt
        Kurds do not want to admit themselves to be shit, and seek guilty of their own stupidity

        Everything worked out very well. The Turks have stepped on the tail of the United States in Syria, and can do the dirty work for the Russian Federation and Assad, which can’t get the Kurds wet. Yes, and a black cat between the United States and Turkey by the way.
        Maybe I sympathize with the Kurds in their struggle for independence, but the interests of the motherland are always a priority.
      3. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 24 January 2018 17: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: Spartanez300
        not sickly Americans threw them

        Kurds do not want to admit themselves to be shit, and seek guilty of their own stupidity

        Ukrainians they do not want to recognize themselves !!! wassat wassat wassat
    2. Spnsr
      Spnsr 23 January 2018 11: 22 New
      +6
      Quote: Spartanez300
      How miserable and helpless this Sipan Hemo looks, the Americans didn’t sickly throw them, right in the wolf’s mouth, which will not stand on ceremony with them.

      No, that’s what the myrikathos want! They created a combat-ready primer, pitted those who need to pit! The Kurds do not mind the effect of this, but Turkey can shake it from the inside, and then Turkey can become a hot spot and closer to our borders, another headache!
      And the statement of the sipan is like don’t agree with the Russians, let them decide their headache
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 23 January 2018 12: 27 New
        +3
        Well, fall, do not fall, wolf or not, time will tell. But the fact that the victory of the Turks against the partisan-Kurds in the highlands is very doubtful - this is a fact. So, the Turks are still slurping ...
        1. The black
          The black 23 January 2018 14: 09 New
          14
          As I wrote, the Kurds wanted to sit on two chairs. We helped them until, at our request, to allow Syrian troops into the Kurdish enclaves and take them under control, they refused (Americans obeyed). Well, if so - we washed our hands ... Now let them reap the fruits of their shortsightedness ....
          1. Dashout
            Dashout 23 January 2018 16: 12 New
            10
            Yes you are right!
            They now have the best option to agree with Russia, send amers and rebuild peacefully as part of Syria. In Sochi, it is necessary to agree on autonomy ...
            1. zaxis450
              zaxis450 24 January 2018 06: 59 New
              +2
              they won’t agree on autonomy now, the train has left!
    3. demo
      demo 23 January 2018 21: 59 New
      +8
      And the most regrettable is that the Kurds, on the basis of their stubborn mentality, will have to pay a heavy price for the lesson that the Turks will teach them.
      The price of the issue is the blood of its people.
      It is unfortunate that the thirst for power in some village overpowered natural caution and self-preservation.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 23 January 2018 10: 07 New
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    We had our agreements with Russia,

    Present them in paragraphs ... for clarity.
    And throwing accusations without justifying them with facts is not good.
    Further, if the Kurds want independence, then no one will present it to them on a silver platter. And it will work out like with the Bulgarians ... our ancestors mean they gave them freedom and independence at the cost of thousands of lives of Russian soldiers and BULGARIA gave us participation against RUSSIA in two world wars and current sanctions against our country.
    Stop dragging chestnuts out of the fire for freeloaders.
    1. Vard
      Vard 23 January 2018 10: 16 New
      19
      At one time, it happened similarly to Libya ... our help was offered and sent ... and now everyone says that we betrayed them ...
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 23 January 2018 10: 41 New
      +7
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      We had our agreements with Russia. Present them point by point ... for clarity of the picture. And throwing accusations without justifying them with facts is not good.
      Yeah, SHCHAZZ! Here are direct all the agreements in the public domain and online, they will take and lay out. Kurds know what they are getting for a hat.
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Further, if the Kurds want independence, then no one will present it to them on a silver platter.
      Maybe the Kurds want it, and the mattresses want the same with them, but none of the countries in the region are happy with their hotel rooms, and Russia, too, because this gives the US the opportunity to gain a foothold in Syria for a long time.
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 23 January 2018 11: 52 New
        +5
        Which, in fact, is subject to the words above - “Kurdish independence does not suit anyone,” so that “dear comrades” prove by deeds your right to independence. good
        And then you understand-us molikasy molded friends, and how to defend themselves from the Turks so "Russia has betrayed us." They wanted "themselves" - as many as "herself, herself." laughing
    3. Spnsr
      Spnsr 23 January 2018 12: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: The same Lech
      We had our agreements with Russia,

      Present them in paragraphs ... for clarity.
      And throwing accusations without justifying them with facts is not good.
      Further, if the Kurds want independence, then no one will present it to them on a silver platter. And it will work out like with the Bulgarians ... our ancestors mean they gave them freedom and independence at the cost of thousands of lives of Russian soldiers and BULGARIA gave us participation against RUSSIA in two world wars and current sanctions against our country.
      Stop dragging chestnuts out of the fire for freeloaders.

      Bulgarians, this is a consequence of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, in which the Romanov Russian Empire was directly involved! like Ukraine-a consequence of the collapse of the USSR, only with the participation of the United States!
      Now we need the Kurds to sit down at the negotiating table with Assad, and the Turks to agree on this, it is to the advantage of both of them, and we need to create conditions for the lack of support from the Kurds from outside and so that all this catastrophe does not spill over into internal disassembly in Turkey ! And there wasn’t yet another agreement between Turkey and the merikatos, by analogy with the Kurdish on this territory or to create conditions so that this agreement would not be very beneficial for the Turks!
  3. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 23 January 2018 10: 16 New
    10
    Well done Anglo-Saxons - wherever they in the World would not spoil, but Russia is to blame! They replay our misunderstanding in power, like boys.
    1. KAV
      KAV 23 January 2018 20: 41 New
      15
      It’s a pity you can’t survive and put you in power. I would be very pleased to look at you, a misunderstanding of how you would behave in the place of the guarantor. Probably, it would have been a long time ago, like EBN ... Also, to me, a great grandmaster was found.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 23 January 2018 20: 44 New
        +9
        Do not feed the troll. It is nothing more than, as you correctly noted,
        Quote: KAV
        misunderstanding
        1. KAV
          KAV 23 January 2018 21: 03 New
          +6
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Do not feed the troll.

          I wish I could. But, in the current realities, this is not a troll. This is the ENEMY!
  4. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 23 January 2018 10: 18 New
    +9
    The choice of choice is discord, it’s just that their elite was bought, and this is the content of their statements, with the curator’s soul.
  5. Egorovich
    Egorovich 23 January 2018 10: 26 New
    14
    The Kurds received, like two drops of water, a similar situation with Iraqi Kurds. They are to blame for everything themselves, abandoning Russia and Assad in favor of mattress. A striped conscience never get sick.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 23 January 2018 10: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: Egorovich
      A striped conscience never get sick.

      They are cured of this shortcoming, even at school
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 23 January 2018 10: 45 New
        14
        In a country whose ancestors are thieves, murderers, rapists who fled from Europe, the concept of "conscience" is completely absent.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 23 January 2018 10: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: Egorovich
          A country whose ancestors are thieves, murderers, rapists who fled from Europe

          Cynicism also lies in the fact that the United States considers itself "a shining city on a hill" and teaches the whole world how to live
          1. Egorovich
            Egorovich 23 January 2018 10: 55 New
            +5
            That's right, they want to always take the position of "godfather in the zone", but nothing permanent in the world.
        2. myobius59
          myobius59 24 January 2018 01: 07 New
          +1
          Here the moderator ban slapped me for EXACTLY the same words, and deleted the comment.
  6. steelmaker
    steelmaker 23 January 2018 10: 27 New
    +2
    Whether they did it right or not, we will find out when Turkey will withdraw troops from Syria. It's too early to rejoice!
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 23 January 2018 11: 54 New
      +5
      As Solovyov said yesterday, “if you kill a friend of Durga, NATO and America’s allies there, we will worry about the TAAAK” laughing laughing good
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 24 January 2018 17: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Mih1974
        As Solovyov said yesterday, “if you kill a friend of Durga, NATO and America’s allies there, we will worry about the TAAAK” laughing laughing good

        there they also said that tyleroson, trump and fart-hole drilled holes on their jackets for orders from Russia !!!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 23 January 2018 13: 07 New
      +1
      Will output. There are also Turkish Kurds with whom you also need to do something. Erdogan only "gathering land" in these conditions is not enough. The focus of tension will increase tenfold. And so he will defeat the Kurds in Syria, and calmly leave, leaving Assad to restore the destroyed, and most importantly - to pacify the disadvantages. The restored border will greatly reduce the problems in Turkey itself.
  7. Horseman without a head
    Horseman without a head 23 January 2018 10: 40 New
    19
    Kurds
    How tired they all are, I don’t even watch telly.
    Stubbornly drag Russia east this fucking
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 January 2018 10: 46 New
    +3
    "We ourselves will defend our lands."
    Probably when I said "myself" I thought about American help. Contacted the Americans and dissolve. With autonomy, which they hastened to declare after a referendum, the same Americans have already thrown you. Throw and again, but more painful.
  9. Anyone
    Anyone 23 January 2018 10: 48 New
    +6
    If they had done so, they would have been guaranteed a worthy place in the new Syrian state and full protection against Turkish encroachments ...

    I read this pearl before, and realized that I did not need to read this opus further. The author, answer, who would carry out "full protection of the Kurds from the encroachments of Turkey"? Maybe the Russian Aerospace Forces would intercede for the Kurds and bomb the Turkish army advancing on Afrin? )) Or maybe the Russian Foreign Ministry would urgently for the sake of the Kurds in Afrin revise all agreements with Turkey on Syria and the second branch of the Turkish Stream? )))
    The Kurds were offered, under the sauce of supposedly transferring to the CAA, to disarm and surrender their territories, so that in the future it would be possible to take into account their interests in the negotiations (Conference). In fact, an ultimatum was put forward to the Afrikan Kurds: disarmament and surrender, or they are being attacked. But here you need to understand a simple thing: the Turks and the “light green” would occupy Afrin anyway: the Kurds would agree to an ultimatum or disagree.
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 23 January 2018 11: 58 New
      +8
      Taki "what is your evidence" and what actually expected? I remember that during the attack by Basayev (yes, this mug is not worthy of the rules of Russian grammar), many local men received weapons and fought in the "militia", but after they took the weapons from them and did not give out any self-defense and, moreover, "independence" from the Kremlin. No. Actually, expecting something else from Assad is stupid, he will save the country, WHOLE, and not in parts, and even more so to distribute it. He didn’t even give it to us, but rented the territory for base for a long time. And our contribution to the very survival of Syria as a country - even our opponents lack the audacity to protest.
      1. Anyone
        Anyone 23 January 2018 12: 11 New
        +5
        What is this speech for? I pointed out (by the post above) that the author of the article wrote garbage that "the Kurds would be guaranteed full protection from Turkey." This can be written only by a person who does not understand the situation at all. Not to mention the fact that the Turks entered Syria a long time ago and occupy its territory, where, precisely, Kurds live compactly. What do not guarantee "protection against the Turks" to these Kurds? What did not guarantee them protection during the Turkish operation "Shield of the Euphrates"? Why did the CAA step aside and let the Turks into Syria? And now the author of the article asks inadvertently: "Why did the Kurds not agree to defend the SAA?" Duc, they did not agree, because for three consecutive years they have been observing how the SAA and we systematically surrender the Kurds to the Turks. By the way, I say this without appreciation - in terms of stating facts. What is the fact? I ask, because I didn’t touch on the moral aspects in my post, because I think that with respect to the Syrian spider jar this is a hopeless topic.
        1. flicker
          flicker 24 January 2018 01: 38 New
          +7
          Kurds would be guaranteed full protection against Turkey "

          Kurds 40 million people, 15 million in Turkey.
          The Kurds have difficult relations with the Syrians, with the Iraqis, with the Iranians, but the most difficult relations between the Kurds and the Turks.
          If someone is fighting with someone, then he needs allies. In order for the Kurds to solve the Turkish problem, they need Syria, Iraq, Iran in their allies. And vice versa, in order to solve the Kurdish problems, the above listed countries need to act together. When the Kurds were offered to join the SAA, then, in fact, they were offered the support of both Iraq and Iran. With such an alliance, the Turks will not be able to solve the problem of the Kurds. Now the Kurds are left face to face with the Turks.
  10. Strashila
    Strashila 23 January 2018 11: 03 New
    +6
    They fed from the hands of the Americans ... they lived apparently not badly, they began to greyhound ... like, well, who is with us John ... and John quietly chased to the side, as he always does at a crucial moment and left alone with the Turks .. ... and then they remembered that they actually lived in Syria ... but they not only Turks, but also Syrians were very shameful ... they forgot the saying, first think about the Motherland, and then about yourself ... now you have to keep the answer .
  11. BAI
    BAI 23 January 2018 11: 04 New
    0
    Russia in Iraq is building power plants. In the territory of the Kurds. A friend from the construction site said that the Kurds did not treat Russia in the best way. But construction on their land, and for the sake of the safety of facilities and people, we must somehow agree. And there and so around minefields.
  12. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 23 January 2018 11: 08 New
    +1
    Afrin enclave area The Turkish armed forces officially launched a military operation and conducted massive air and artillery attacks on the positions of Kurdish forces located in the area.
    In an official statement, the Turkish Armed Forces Headquarters stated:
    “On January 20, 2018, at 17 p.m. in the Afrin region located in northwestern Syria, Operation Olive Branch began, the purpose of which is to eliminate the terrorists of the Kurdistan Workers Party, the Union of Kurdistan Communities, the Democratic Union Party -YPG and Daish, and also the salvation of our friends and brothers from the oppression and cruelty of these terrorists. ”
    The Russian military has deployed units located in Afrin in order to "ensure the security of the Russian military in the area." In an official statement, the Russian Ministry of Defense added that:
    “The Pentagon’s uncontrolled supply of modern weapons to pro-US forces in northern Syria, including, according to reports, man-portable air defense systems, contributed to the rapid escalation of tension in the region and led to a special operation by Turkish troops”
    At 11 a.m. on January 5, units of the Turkish Armed Forces, as well as Turkish-supported groups of the Free Syrian Army, began the ground part of the operation.
    On the same day, the Prime Minister of Turkey - Binali Yıldırım - stated that "This operation will consist of 4 phases and will lead to the creation of a 30-kilometer buffer zone."
    According to sources loyal to Turkey, in the areas of Sheikh al-Hadid and Rajo, the Turkish Armed Forces and units of the Free Syrian Army occupied the villages of Ada Manli, Batal Kui and Kurin, as well as 4 heights. The offensive was supported by combat aircraft, Bayraktar TB2 attack drones, T-122 Sakaria multiple launch rocket systems, as well as various artillery and armored vehicles, including 2A4 Leopard tanks. According to sources loyal to Turkey, about 200 YPG / YPJ positions were destroyed as a result of the strikes.
    In response, the YPG High Command stated that the Turkish Armed Forces had not occupied a single village and that all attacks had been repelled. In addition, sources loyal to the Kurds stated that 15 fighters of the Turkish forces were killed during the fighting, and also, with the help of anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs), 3 tanks of the Turkish Armed Forces were destroyed.
    YPG uploaded a video showing the moment the ATGM got into the 2A4 Leopard tank. However, later, a photo of the same tank appeared on the net, where it was shown that the tank received only minor damage.
    According to sources loyal to the YPG, 11 civilians died as a result of Turkish air and artillery attacks, and 16 more were injured. At the same time, formations under the command of the YPG conducted at least 11 missile launches in the Reyhanli region located in the Turkish province of Hatay. The shelling killed 1 civilian, about 50 were injured.
    In addition, the YPG accused Russia of allowing Turkey to carry out an Afrin attack, and stated that Moscow would be responsible for all deaths of civilians in the area. It is interesting to note that, immediately before the start of the operation of the Turkish Armed Forces, the YPG and their political wing - PYD - again rejected the offer of Russia and Syria to allow government agencies in Damascus to return to the territory of Afrin.
    Meanwhile, US Secretary of Defense James Mattis said Turkey had previously informed the US about the operation and added that Ankara was “reasonably concerned about security issues.”
    The operation of the Turkish Armed Forces in Afrin began during the complete collapse of the defense of Hayat Tahrir al-Sham in Idlib province.
  13. Anyone
    Anyone 23 January 2018 11: 21 New
    +4
    Quote: Strashila
    They fed from the hands of the Americans ... they lived apparently not badly, they began to greyhound ... like, well, who is with us John ... and John quietly chased to the side, as he always does at a crucial moment and left alone with the Turks .. ... and then they remembered that they actually lived in Syria ... but they not only Turks, but also Syrians were very shameful ... they forgot the saying, first think about the Motherland, and then about yourself ... now you have to keep the answer .

    The Athenian Kurds did not "feed at the hands of the Americans." What is it that all went to this mantra? The supply of Afrin was carried out through the territory controlled by the SAA, and the Sheikh Maksud district is located in the ring of the Syrian troops. The Athenian Kurds were largely dependent on the Syrian government, and not on the United States. Anyway, the Kurds in Afrin are Maoists. Private property is abolished there and all benefits are simply distributed, not bought / sold. They have no agreements with the Americans. In any case, nothing is known about those. Although they got a weapon from the Yankees a couple of times. But obviously before the Turkish operation "Shield of the Euphrates," the purpose of which was to cut off Afrin from the rest of the Kurds in Syria.
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 23 January 2018 12: 18 New
      +5
      Fse is good - why they do not raise the flag of Syria and do not declare themselves an integral part of a united Syria lol
    2. Atilla
      Atilla 23 January 2018 14: 15 New
      +2
      Yes, everything with these Kurds is being worn like a chicken with eggs. These Kurds cannot agree with themselves. Here are how many of these Kurdish enclaves? In Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey where else, but everywhere campaign. Well, let them first unite to voice at least some sort of position then we will watch. And then too cunning e. Well, understandable in Russian. Yes, dushmans, they are dushmans.
    3. garnik
      garnik 27 January 2018 20: 14 New
      +1
      The Athenian Kurds did not "feed at the hands of the Americans." What is it that all went to this mantra?

      But in another way, otherwise we will appear obscene. Once again, these two peoples are facing each other, the question of why they played up to the amers. After all, the whole world is following what is happening in Syria and everyone makes conclusions, not for the better for us.
  14. parma
    parma 23 January 2018 11: 28 New
    +6
    Let’s think and understand the Kurds correctly; they want their own state (by the way, they don’t hide it). As long as there were "evil" bearded people around (ISIS, etc.), Moscow and the Kurds were on the same side (on the principle, we pile on the villains and decide later what and how). When the bearded people became fewer, we put an ultimatum to the Kurds, or they are with Damascus (and autonomy shines on them) and disarm, let the SAA into or against their territory (and begin to catch iron from the sky), the Americans offered an alternative - they supply the Kurds with weapons and how they can defend, and in return they occupy the territory where they do not live and become the focus of US influence. When taking into account the desire of the Kurds of their state, which of the 3 options should they choose?
    As for Turkey, it’s clear that Turkey has only one goal in Syria (it’s a headache) —to create a buffer under its control with the Syrian fur-bearing animal (the Kurds also enter here), and we don’t resist the actions of Turkey simply because we want to reduce the number of players to a minimum is simpler (and how do we stop Turkey? do not bomb them), and who will choose the states of Turkey (a useful ally, albeit a problematic one, by the way, also a member of NATO) or Kurds, so it’s clear ... So it turns out that no one needs the Kurds in such a situation, therefore they throw them all ... Beard those ended, but there is no war ....
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 23 January 2018 11: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: parma
      Come on, we’ll think and understand correctly the Kurds, they want their own state ....

      IRA also "wanted ..." the same! And - got "self-government"! Did it give them much?
      But the IRA has become a full-fledged "mafia" ...
      1. parma
        parma 23 January 2018 12: 52 New
        0
        IRA in general is a different story ... Northern Ireland is a torn piece of an independent state, but Kurdistan is simply the name of a region belonging to several states! Yes, and sowing. After all, Ireland did not gain independence, and when the rebellion was almost crushed, the IRA came to the same point as the FARC, for example, or the Taliban ... At first, they earned money from the crime, and when they forgot how to do something else, they began to earn a living. ...
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 23 January 2018 14: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: parma
          IRA in general is a different story ... Northern Ireland is a torn piece of an independent state, but Kurdistan is simply the name of a region belonging to several states! Yes, and sowing. After all, Ireland did not gain independence, and when the rebellion was almost crushed, the IRA came to the same point as the FARC, for example, or the Taliban ... At first, they earned money from the crime, and when they forgot how to do something else, they began to earn a living. ...

          Peshmerga goes the same way! and the end of the journey is near ...
  15. CONTROL
    CONTROL 23 January 2018 11: 42 New
    +1
    Peshmerga - the "people's militia" - ends the path that the IRA had previously traveled ... turning from a "liberation Irish militia" into a mafia-terrorist entity, hiring a dirty job for someone who pays the most.
  16. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx 23 January 2018 12: 29 New
    +4
    I fully support. a certain nat. enclave, who wanted to spit on the officer. Damascus, suddenly begins to blame us for the lack of support. Russia supports Syria (and even with reservations), and certainly not individual groups that do not recognize the power of Damascus.
  17. Anyone
    Anyone 23 January 2018 13: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: Mih1974
    Fse is good - why they do not raise the flag of Syria and do not declare themselves an integral part of a united Syria lol

    And what will this give the Kurds? Do you think that the Turks will stop the recognition by the Athenian Kurds of formal power in the person of Assad? In addition, it is necessary to clarify what conditions Assad offered the Kurds. Personally, I don’t know the details. But I fully admit that they again (as before the start of the civil war in Syria) the Syrian authorities want to use to destabilize Turkey. You are aware that most of the Kurds in Afrin (and, in general, in Syria) are refugees from Turkey. In fact, until the beginning of the 30s, Kurds did not live compactly in Syria. They all fled from the Turks to Syria. At the same time, the same Assad (like his father before him) did not give Syrian passports to the Kurds. And all these Kurds lived in Syria on bird's rights: without citizenship, jurisdiction, rights, etc. Would you believe Assad again in their place? I'm not even saying that their political cockroaches named after dragging Abdullah Ocalan make their minds indignantly boil, as another dragging bequeathed - dragging Mao. The communists are orthodox, in short.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 23 January 2018 13: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: Anyone
      Would you believe Assad in their place again?

      In what sense is "again"? The Syrians did not give passports to strangers who came to their land. Excuse me, but what, should have?
      Here you rode
      The wheels were rubbed
      We did not call you
      And you are pinned down!
      They were allowed to live on this earth, but were not given civil rights. And what's the matter? Do not like this land - go to another. However, the Kurds settled in a foreign country, and held on to the status that they had. And then they wanted more. On what basis?
      But, Assad also offered them more. Now there was a chance to become citizens of Syria. But "we ourselves will protect our land." What is your own? Syrian land. Assad cannot deal with the separatists at the moment. Well, he will not interfere with the Turks. He is in his own right - he is the ruler of his country. His, not Kurdistan. And the Kurds do not need faith or disbelief at all.
      1. Anyone
        Anyone 23 January 2018 14: 51 New
        +1
        You should at least read the history of Syria. For a change. And who allowed the Kurds to live in Syria? Suddenly, it was the French))
        But, Assad also offered them more. Now there was a chance to become citizens of Syria

        Asad personally told you what exactly he offered the Kurds?
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 23 January 2018 18: 21 New
          +1
          Yes, even the Malays. What is the difference relative to the current moment? No, Assad didn’t inform me, has been out of hand recently. With logic, I try not to break communication. I advise you too. When are reasonable concessions to ask, if not now? But if, instead, carry about "their" land ...
          1. Anyone
            Anyone 23 January 2018 18: 51 New
            0
            Here it is still necessary to find out exactly who came to Syria. Kurds in Afrin moved from the 20s of the last century. And the Alawite state became part of Syria around 1930 (or rather laziness to watch). So, who in Syria is on “their own”, and who is on “foreign” land - Alawites or Kurds - is a moot point from a historical point of view.
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 23 January 2018 23: 55 New
              +3
              Quote: Anyone
              Here it is still necessary to find out exactly who came to Syria.

              It does not matter. The Alawites became part of Syria with their own territory, the Kurds came from outside to a foreign land.
              1. Anyone
                Anyone 24 January 2018 00: 51 New
                +2
                Lazy to carry out historical excursions. The Ottoman Empire discovered Kurdish lands from Persia. It was in the 16th or 17th century. And it was originally Kurdish territory where they lived long before that. All these Sunnis / Shiites pushed in there much later - during the Ottoman Empire and after its division under the Lausanne and Sevres treaties, where the obligation of the Turks to create an independent Kurdistan was prescribed, for a minute, in the Levant or in other words in the French mandate zone. And this, for the most part, was the future of Syria and Lebanon. Continue to continue? About Ataturk, Saddam, the priest of our sculpted friend Bashar Assad, as well as dragging Ocalan?
                P.S. Why are you all so fond of double standards? Not worthy of the Kurds of the state? Well, list why they are not worthy, but, for example, are Abkhazians worthy?
  18. Atilla
    Atilla 23 January 2018 14: 02 New
    0
    Yes, and to hell with them. The more such situations with scam from the side of mattresses will be the better for us.
  19. KKND
    KKND 23 January 2018 16: 05 New
    0
    It is clear that the Kurds, as always, "dulled". They hoped for Russia fool
    Yes, we have the “best” friend Erdogan, and the “former” “brothers” are Ukrainians.
    Very funny. So they need it.
  20. ANDRE - LATVIA
    ANDRE - LATVIA 23 January 2018 16: 09 New
    +5
    Quote: Anyone
    Quote: Mih1974
    Fse is good - why they do not raise the flag of Syria and do not declare themselves an integral part of a united Syria lol

    And what will this give the Kurds? Do you think that the Turks will stop the recognition by the Athenian Kurds of formal power in the person of Assad? In addition, it is necessary to clarify what conditions Assad offered the Kurds. Personally, I don’t know the details. But I fully admit that they again (as before the start of the civil war in Syria) the Syrian authorities want to use to destabilize Turkey. You are aware that most of the Kurds in Afrin (and, in general, in Syria) are refugees from Turkey. In fact, until the beginning of the 30s, Kurds did not live compactly in Syria. They all fled from the Turks to Syria. At the same time, the same Assad (like his father before him) did not give Syrian passports to the Kurds. And all these Kurds lived in Syria on bird's rights: without citizenship, jurisdiction, rights, etc. Would you believe Assad again in their place? I'm not even saying that their political cockroaches named after dragging Abdullah Ocalan make their minds indignantly boil, as another dragging bequeathed - dragging Mao. The communists are orthodox, in short.
    Well, actually, after Russia's proposal to the Athenian Kurds of December 20 on the recognition of Assad’s authority and the admission of Syrian troops to their territory, Ankara confirmedthat this option will suit her and the Turks will not begin their operation in this case. Whether they kept their word or not, the question is still the same, but the words were spoken.
    From which hangover Russia should now defend pro-pro-puppet puppets? Maybe they should put their guys on the Kurdish altar? Will be smoked. A friend of my enemy is my enemy. And the USA is a clear enemy of Russia.
    1. Anyone
      Anyone 23 January 2018 16: 50 New
      +4
      1) Athens Kurds are not puppets of the West. Not tired of repeating this mantra?
      2) I did not call for the defense of the Kurds in Afrin. I just pointed out that when we entered Syria, our goal was to protect the state integrity of Syria, both from internal separatists and from external invaders. But in fact we are entering into a conspiracy with Turkey, allowing it to occupy the territory of Syria. I already wrote (see above) that I do not blame our leadership for such actions, since our presence in Syria already a priori implies such movements too. It was called a cargo - hereinafter the proverb ... But I also do not want to demonize other characters in Syria for the same reason. And then it became fashionable now that we are in Syria - warriors of the world of 80 lvl, and all the rest are pure goblins))
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 24 January 2018 00: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Anyone
        It was called a cargo - hereinafter the proverb ...

        You reason like a trap, you stop it. They also thought so that the Russians, following the letter of the treaty with Assad, would fight the Turks, but the Russians were following the spirit of the treaty, and under the treaty, Assad was the main one in Syria, not Putin.
        1. Anyone
          Anyone 24 January 2018 01: 11 New
          +1
          Assad is a puppet without an army, without money, without a future. Its discharge into the toilet bowl of history is a matter of the near future. How long Assad will remain in power (crossed out) not hanged if, for example, Iran conditionally withdraws its Shiite pro-army tomorrow from the Syrian front, and at the same time takes Hamas-KAMAZ, hezbollonets, etc., who know how to fight terrorists on trust ™ ? Not very long. And if our Air Force will be driven home, then exactly a week later the whole mountain of Assad, called the SAA (of which one and a half conditionally combat-ready divisions are left), will scatter at the conscription points of the "green" and "green" ones to sign up for war against the "bloody dictator Assad". ..
          We in Syria weave the same intrigues as the United States or Turkey. And also merge, if necessary, both Kurds and Alawites, if the price is suitable. Actually, this is what I talked about when I wrote about breasts and bodies.
          1. flicker
            flicker 24 January 2018 01: 47 New
            +4
            And how long will Israel survive without American help?
          2. masgen
            masgen 24 January 2018 10: 28 New
            +2
            And on whose side are you "fighting", aren't they on the American? Eh (if you are a citizen of the Russian Federation), you do not love your country, oh how much you do not love ...
            1. Anyone
              Anyone 24 January 2018 10: 37 New
              0
              Nice try.
      2. flicker
        flicker 24 January 2018 02: 11 New
        +7
        upon entering Syria, we declared our goal to protect the state integrity of Syria, both from internal separatists and from external interventionists. And in fact we are entering into a conspiracy with Turkey,

        We solve a difficult problem and solve it successfully. As for the hostilities in Afghanistan, we need a Kurdish statement on the territorial integrity of Syria, the cunning Erdogan is there and he talks about it.
        As for Afrin, the situation there is complicated, in fact, the United States secretly gave Turkey the green light for aggression against the Kurds (whom Russia allegedly leaked), then (when the Kurds accuse Russia of betrayal - not earlier!) The USA will stop Turkey (they will act as rescuers - unless of course the Turks will listen to them), as soon as they stop, then after that they will be able to completely shut down the Kurds. This is most likely the US goal.
        The Turks have their own task, to take advantage of the secret good from the United States and mark the Kurds to the fullest (which is not beneficial to the US and Russia, but beneficial to the Turks) and cast a shadow on Russia so that Russia can no longer negotiate with the Kurds (beneficial to the USA and Turkey, not beneficial to Russia)
        For this, in the information field, the Turks declare that they act with the consent of Russia (they denigrate Russia in the eyes of the Kurds) and make angry statements against the United States - which, on the one hand, is beneficial to the United States (whitewash the eyes of the Kurds) and, on the other, flatter Russia (look how tough we are against your opponent).
        We, it seems, are trying to act in this situation with reliance on objective things. First of all, we urge everyone to abandon hostilities and solve everything through negotiations. But we can stop the hostilities between Turks and Kurds only after the Kurds determine their status as part of Syria, if the Kurds, incited by the United States, insist on their secession from Syria, we cannot help them - Russia from the very beginning declared the unity of Syria, in addition, we will not have significant arguments in negotiations with the Turks (now the Kurds are tearing Syria, and then Turkey). So, if the Kurds want to end the war and get our and Syrian help, they must declare that they are part of Syria and squeeze the United States out of their territory of residence. As for Turkey, the Kurds in Syria are our argument in negotiations with the Turks, in addition, the Turks will not cope with the Kurds if the latter will be helped by Syria, Iraq and Iran. Turkey will simply be forced to coordinate its actions with these countries.
        It turns out that ending the war between the Turks and the Kurds depends on the position of the Kurds. So let the Kurds make claims against themselves.
        1. Anyone
          Anyone 24 January 2018 10: 04 New
          0
          Everything is much simpler ...
          1. Turks create a buffer zone along their border with Syria. Before that it was Operation Shield of the Euphrates, now it’s the Olive Branch. Their task is to clean the area from PKK fighters and those who support them.
          2. An agreement between Turkey and the United States, of course, is on this issue - you are absolutely right. Details are not very clear (in the sense that Reggie promised the Americans). But they are there in NATO, I think they will agree among themselves - do not worry))
          3. The agreement of the Turks with us is partially transparent. We are moving ourselves and pushing the SAA in Afrin, and the Turks are pushing their "moderate opposition" in some sections of the front in Idlib. See the reports for the last days - the SAA straight forward went where in the previous three years only one and a half villages were able to capture.
          4. The question remains open: why do we and Assad need a “green” Afrin? After all, before the onset of the Turks there were Kurds quite loyal to Assad, and now there are a bunch of armed rebels there whose purpose is Assad’s head. There are options ... This may be the second thread of the Turkish Stream, or maybe some other, non-public, agreement. In any case, we could not actively prevent the Turks from occupying part of Syria, even if we really wanted to.
          1. Paradoksov friend
            Paradoksov friend 25 January 2018 19: 44 New
            0
            With point 4, everything is very simple: Kurds and Assad are loyal, as long as there was a common enemy who physically destroyed both of them, but now the time has come to end the war and everyone wants to have opposite results ...
            Quote: Anyone
            4. The question remains open: why do we and Assad need a “green” Afrin? After all, before the onset of the Turks there were Kurds quite loyal to Assad, and now there are a bunch of armed rebels there whose purpose is Assad’s head. There are options ... This may be the second thread of the Turkish Stream, or maybe some other, non-public, agreement. In any case, we could not actively prevent the Turks from occupying part of Syria, even if we really wanted to

            . Assad wants to keep the country within its former borders, and the Kurds want an independent state, and due to what they will exist, this is another question, probably squeezing the oil regions of the SAR. It is time for prospects.
  21. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 23 January 2018 16: 53 New
    +4
    Hmm, it’s robust that the United States threw the Kurds, in fact, they gave it to the Turks for tearing. On the other hand, the Kurds should understand that it’s more expensive to negotiate with Washington, and that the Americans will never openly oppose Erdogan, so let the Kurds not accuse Moscow of betrayal, but honestly admit that they were betrayed by an overseas "ally"!
  22. Berg berg
    Berg berg 23 January 2018 17: 48 New
    +3
    Kurds first need to look at themselves, betraying Russia and running for US handouts! And hoped that it would be forever! But for America, forever it's just America itself. And the Kurds realized that they had used them and abandoned them and began to look for those responsible, but they did not know, or maybe they forgot the Russian proverb - "don’t spit it’s useful to drink water in the well!"
  23. vandarus
    vandarus 23 January 2018 18: 19 New
    +1
    When the sultan again unexpectedly and treacherously sticks a dagger in the back, what will we blackmail him with? Again the tomatoes with which he "did not work out"?
    1. Paradoksov friend
      Paradoksov friend 25 January 2018 20: 21 New
      0
      The Sultan has already quarreled with all his friends in NATO, he has serious problems with the Kurds, you want to say that Erdogan will stick a knife in the back in this situation? ... Sultan, of course, an impulsive person, but not id% iot!
  24. 1536
    1536 23 January 2018 18: 25 New
    0
    In my opinion, whoever brings order in Syria, and generally in the Middle East, they are allies of Russia. Americans bring only chaos, and those who, with weapons in their hands, do not obey common sense and humanity, help them in this. And friendship and union are necessary with Turkey.
  25. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 23 January 2018 18: 47 New
    +2
    What are Kurds, what is in Syria, what is in Iraq, what is in Turkey "Yes, the most ordinary separatists who are trying to create their own separate state, thereby strive to destroy the existing ones. And the fact that the Turks, fighting with their enemies, at the same time and the enemies of Syria, it’s only for the benefit of the same Syria, and we too. It’s better to beat the enemy with other hands than to send your citizens to the slaughter. And the fewer different groups, the better. When the enemy is one and he is known, you can really count And when you have “friends” behind you who declare you an enemy tomorrow, it’s much more difficult to plan.
  26. NF68
    NF68 23 January 2018 20: 51 New
    +2
    One of my old acquaintances, who knew well what the Kurds were, once called the Kurds "Muslim Gypsies with all the ensuing consequences."
  27. wachmann
    wachmann 23 January 2018 21: 00 New
    0
    the Turks, under the leadership of us, liquidate their cells, and we are to blame. what does he smoke?
  28. noct
    noct 23 January 2018 21: 52 New
    0
    huh. I don’t think we betrayed them. You were offered, raise the Syrian flag and everything will be. you didn’t want to. then sorry but raking in full. let us help you. it's a "reliable ally" never betrays

    what do you want. you refused autonomy within the borders of syria, you guys are bandits now and everyone will feel the pressure on you
  29. MONEY
    MONEY 23 January 2018 22: 04 New
    0
    And I personally .. agree with the general !!!
  30. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty 23 January 2018 23: 21 New
    0
    What they don’t tell us ... It is unlikely that the Kurds are so stupid as they are trying to expose them. It looks like big players played a piece, but what they promised was not to know this figure at the same time.
  31. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 23 January 2018 23: 34 New
    +1
    Interesting arguments ... It seems that the article is logical ... But there are also shortcomings ... So it’s not very clear the violation of which agreements Russia’s Sipan Hemo meant saying that they were betrayed? Perhaps we are talking about those "curtsies" that Moscow arranged after November 24, 2015, when a Russian plane was shot down from an Turkish air force using an air-to-air missile from the F-16 aircraft of the Turkish Air Force during a combat mission over Syria Su-24, everyone remembers that then they showed about the Kurds on ORT and RTR, positioned them almost like Indians fighting brazen Europeans? Another interesting point about the fact that the Kurds were generally promised such that they suddenly became friends for a while with Assad? But in general, tactically, it turned out not badly anyway in the near future Ankara as an ally is more interesting than the Kurds, but in the long term, the Kurds can be manipulated with their flaw in the form of a desire for independence. Assad and Erdogan, after all, are not eternal, and as a people, the Kurds will clearly survive them.
    And also, incidentally, on February 16.02.2016, 10, a representative office of the non-existent and not recognized state of Syrian Kurdistan was opened in Moscow. So it seems that everything is smooth on the surface, but a little dig and it turns out to be pure intrigues and intrigues. In general, I think that no independence and statehood will shine for the Kurds in the next 20-XNUMX years, there may be autonomy within Syria, but no more.
  32. Santor
    Santor 24 January 2018 00: 11 New
    0
    Kurds - how could I say this ... where the Kurd went to Khokhlov there is nothing to do .... And where the crest went to who has nothing to do?
  33. flicker
    flicker 24 January 2018 00: 13 New
    +2
    “We are concerned about the military operation of Turkey in the north of Syria. At the same time, we recognize and fully recognize Turkey’s legitimate right to protect its citizens from terrorist elements who may attack Turkish citizens and Turkish land from Syria. ”

    An interesting statement, it expressed two opposing positions (one is soft, the other is noticeably firmer), and the Kurds are referred to only as terrorists. However, are only Kurds meant by "terrorist elements that can attack Turkish citizens and Turkish land from Syria"?
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  35. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 24 January 2018 07: 33 New
    +1
    Yes, nevermind. In the eastern mentality, there is no concept of “betrayal” at all - there is the concept of “Maktub”, that is, for all its own “fate” - they “betray” each other several times there ... - like by “necessity”, but the need is not there "condemned" ....
  36. masgen
    masgen 24 January 2018 09: 39 New
    0
    And the commander-in-chief of the Kurdish YPG detachments, Sipan Hemo, did not understand that he called his friend the enemy of all humanity, which the United States is ... Only the United States are masters in the betrayal of their vassals.
  37. Orionvit
    Orionvit 24 January 2018 10: 49 New
    0
    At the same time, he is absolutely not confused that his words in today's realities seem like absolute nonsense.
    An interesting trend. All those who are sold to the “West” very quickly lose their common sense, begin to sculpt all nonsense, like the fact that someone “betrayed” them and look for the enemy where he is not. And since everything is clear, only it became under the banner of the USA, then Russia immediately becomes “guilty” of everything.
  38. P0LYM
    P0LYM 25 January 2018 10: 48 New
    0
    The Kurds now can only wish "Suitcase - Station - -77.298828, 48.092444" That's where the "field is not plowed" ... let them equip their autonomy ...
  39. Semyonych
    Semyonych 25 January 2018 11: 48 New
    0
    Tangled the coast. He doesn’t care what the USA is, what the Russian Federation.
  40. Kawado s
    Kawado s 25 January 2018 11: 53 New
    0
    Kurds are weird dudes.
    On the one hand, the attitude of Russians towards Kurds and Kurds towards Russians is historically friendly, which cannot be said about Turks.
    On the other hand, neither Turks nor Kurds are allies of Russia. Syria is Russia’s ally, and Russia will naturally seek to restore the integrity of Syria. In addition, the United States has been a potential enemy of Russia for about 70 years, and over the past three years, relations between the Russian Federation and the USA have been derailed ... i.e. almost openly hostile.
    And in such a situation, the Kurds lie under the United States (i.e., they simply go over to the side of the enemy of Russia) and then blame the Russian Federation for something else?
    Comrade Hemo needs to smoke less Afghan tobacco, and more often turn on the brain.
  41. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 25 January 2018 12: 20 New
    0
    I believe that we are also wrong:
    1. It was necessary to speak openly about our proposals to the Kurds. Moreover, the interests of many parties always exist in the conflict and it was possible to protect oneself from such Kurdish statements simply by declaring openly about one’s proposals.
    2. You can’t try to persuade to the last, - they suggested 3 times openly, everything, they don’t want to, don’t want to, look for the best, let them search with others.
    And now the situation has arisen that we promised them something and since they were the first to say we are making excuses, it’s not good.
  42. Paradoksov friend
    Paradoksov friend 25 January 2018 19: 19 New
    +1
    Since the age of 47, the Soviet Union has been patronizing the Kurds of the workers' party, supporting their desire to create their own state, but the Kurds are different and the relations between them are complex, there is no single desire for unification, although they all dream of their own country. The Kurds believed that with the United States they have a real chance for freedom. Everyone wants benefits for themselves, because years of support were forgotten, when the Kurds were educated in the USSR, the entire leadership speaks excellent Russian. The Kurds' replacement of the good old partner (Russia) led to the fact that the Russian plan for restoring peace in Syria was jeopardized and Russia changed its view on cooperation with the Kurds because it was necessary not to send winged arguments, but only to agree to neutrality in countering the Turks and Kurds ... Everyone in the end does not always receive what he wants, but each time what he deserves ...
  43. kurator college
    kurator college 25 January 2018 21: 15 New
    0
    Nonsense, all sighs,
    After all () am suckers believe ...
  44. Sam
    Sam 25 January 2018 21: 19 New
    0
    Kurds are a nation that has lived for hundreds of years by robberies. So what to take from them ?.
  45. Roman96
    Roman96 26 January 2018 14: 00 New
    0
    The Kurds are one, the Syrians are different, is somebody else third - they all went to @@@@@ there are enough of their problems in the country !!!
  46. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 26 January 2018 16: 53 New
    0
    let wet each other more..we are better ....
  47. sergo42
    sergo42 26 January 2018 22: 05 New
    0
    The problems of the Kurds should be of little interest to us. Full of more pressing issues.
  48. Antor
    Antor 27 January 2018 00: 44 New
    0
    The Kurds wanted to put on us .... and on our proposals, and now they also threaten us .., accusing them of betrayal !! ????
    The East is a delicate matter, but also to think that by sending us and our proposals, Russia will fight with Turkey so that the Kurds are on their own ... !!! Well, and the rams, who decided that the Russians are kind of fools ... and will harness for the Kurds .... Enough of Russian blood, let them fight themselves with a mustache and the ability to protect their lands on their own. The flag in their hands, they’ll grow wiser faster !!! Yes, and these lands are Syria, and not the non-existent state of Kurdistan, which they so wanted to do with the help of amers, here are all claims and disassemblies to them, who and whom betrayed !!!!
  49. Oleg Soloninkin
    Oleg Soloninkin 28 January 2018 12: 37 New
    0
    I would like to clarify that Russia was invited to Syria by the legitimate authorities of this country on certain conditions to provide assistance to the Syrians.
    What is meant by help?
    It is not worth it to so freely interpret the tasks of our stay in a sovereign republic. It’s still the business of the Syrians themselves to make statements and determine their policies. And the business of Russia is to help the ally, and not to carry chestnuts from the fire for him.
  50. Wolka
    Wolka 28 January 2018 15: 54 New
    0
    Kurds and sitting on two chairs does not work all one