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US in Idlib attempted to drive a wedge between Russia and Turkey

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In the ribbons of social networks, where militants noted, you can see photos of representatives of terrorist groups against the background of Turkish military equipment and weapons. Syrian journalist Riyadh Farid Hijab believes that this is a well-thought-out information operation by Western intelligence agencies, of course the goal of which are attempts to reintroduce a wedge in relations between Moscow and Ankara.


We are talking about publications from the province of Idlib, where the so-called de-escalation zone was created earlier and in which there are Turkish military, called to monitor the implementation of the cease-fire.



The submission claims that the United States supplied the pro-Turkish forces in Idlib with weapons even before the Turkish servicemen themselves turned out to be in this Syrian province. For this purpose, the weapons supply scheme was used, supposedly to Kurdish detachments. As a result, the Kurds were left without the lion’s share of the equipment that the States had originally promised to supply. It is for this reason, as noted, that the United States actively supported the creation of a de-escalation zone in Idlib with Turkish participation. The pro-Turkish forces, after deliveries from the United States, for understandable reasons, were ready to carry out the tasks that were assigned to them by their American partners.

Recall that it was from the territory of Idlib that the well-known attacks on the Russian Hmeimim airbase in the province of Lattakia were carried out. Earlier, the Russian Defense Ministry has spread information that the special forces eliminated the militants involved in the attack on Khmeimim and completely destroyed the facilities for the production of shock drones.
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 January 2018 09: 06
    15
    photos of representatives of terrorist groups against the background of Turkish military equipment and weapons
    It is clear that Western intelligence agencies will not miss this. But Turkey is pursuing its goals, and by and large it does not give a damn about Russia. I won’t be surprised if the Turks give us another surprise.
    1. Going
      Going 13 January 2018 09: 17
      +9
      There you have to stand back to back and not believe anyone.
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 13 January 2018 09: 24
        16
        There only with an army of ATS can be back-to-back. Trust the rest - do not respect yourself.
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 13 January 2018 10: 15
          +6
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          There only with an army of ATS can be back-to-back. Trust the rest - do not respect yourself

          Good morning . And with ATS, back to back is somehow dumb and it is not a betrayal, although this cannot be ruled out.
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 13 January 2018 10: 20
            +5
            Andrey, mutually! hi In any case, the SAR is the least "player" in Syria can be expected to stab in the back. Until they forget Russia's actions to preserve Syria as such.
            1. Going
              Going 13 January 2018 12: 59
              +3
              There are young people there, and not only now a mountain for Russia.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 13 January 2018 13: 03
                +3
                Wow, I hope the Syrians have a memory that is not as short as some of the former Soviet republics.
                1. Going
                  Going 13 January 2018 13: 06
                  +6
                  Unfortunately, anything can happen, but if we keep our presence, then the memory will be normal.
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 13 January 2018 13: 10
                    +2
                    I completely agree . Russia should not leave Syria.
                    1. Going
                      Going 13 January 2018 15: 52
                      +3
                      We need to expand there, including northern Africa, and this can and should be done, while making a profit.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 13 January 2018 09: 59
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It is clear that Western intelligence agencies will not miss this. But Turkey is pursuing its goals, and by and large it does not give a damn about Russia. I won’t be surprised if the Turks give us another surprise.

      What's the point? Turks (like Iraq, Syria and Iran) are more interested in frustrating the US plans to create an independent Kurdistan than in battling with Russia. Naturally, there are a lot of questions that everyone wants to solve in their favor, but all are one in one - the Kurds can get their autonomy, but not independence, which unites them all against US actions. Well, so that this unity would not be very close, the United States arrange provocations in order to push their opponents with their foreheads.
    3. Lelek
      Lelek 13 January 2018 10: 00
      +7
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It is clear that Western intelligence agencies will not miss this.

      hi , Gennady.
      The United States in Syria has built up a bunch of bases not to grow dates and olives, but to cook “meat” on them against Assad and Russia. So there will be tricks on the Afghan version and this must be prepared.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 13 January 2018 10: 03
        +5
        not to grow dates and olives
        In this I completely agree.
      2. Dead duck
        Dead duck 13 January 2018 11: 56
        +4
        Quote: Lelek
        So there will be tricks

        That's because ...

        ... bad people
    4. Chertt
      Chertt 13 January 2018 10: 07
      +9
      Driving in wedges is an old Anglo-Saxon fun. And they will do this until they are driven into a coffin
    5. Shelest2000
      Shelest2000 13 January 2018 15: 02
      +2
      Peter I was right.
      "Do not believe the three: don’t believe the woman, don’t believe the Turk, don’t believe the drinker."
      1. Alex1117
        Alex1117 13 January 2018 22: 06
        0
        Help pin to drive a wedge itself? Peter the Great and did not utter one percent of the sayings of those attributed to him. And that too.
    6. Alex1117
      Alex1117 13 January 2018 22: 04
      0
      And who doesn’t give a damn about us? Well, besides Syria, of course?
  2. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 13 January 2018 09: 10
    12
    Maybe such a simple philistine will be hurt by such stuffing, but they will not gain idiots in intelligence - they will figure it out. And as for the wedge, there is no friendship between us and Turkey, and there was no friendship, only temporary mutually beneficial cooperation. There are plenty of wedges between us. Driving one in, you can accidentally knock another out.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 13 January 2018 11: 27
      +3
      It’s just that Erdogan once again sent his “moderate” to Assad and even gets to our base from their pressure. And here they present him as a negotiable friend, but the Americans just muddied the water. Kurds are separate, and the Turkish regions of Syria are also separate. He’s already there five he has been driving a wave for years, but he has a strong position:
      - strains sensitive to us under his control.
      -Turkey is in such a state that it is easier for them to attract army units in the Syrian war and we see it constantly that they do not hesitate to transfer to the borderlands and enter into battle as much as necessary, covering these deployments with powerful reinforcement from their territory and the presence of reserves. And Russia cannot afford to transfer and bring into battle a full-fledged army group. Therefore, the "moderate" are not worried about their rear and this allows them to fight almost on equal terms with a weakened Assad. Therefore, everything is so unsteady there.
      1. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 13 January 2018 11: 42
        +3
        I do not agree that we got a "rebound". It was a well-prepared and planned action that pursues several goals:
        1. Revenge, 2. Testing the combat effectiveness of our anti-aircraft missile systems for unobtrusive targets, 3. Testing the tactics of attacking our targets with a lot of stealth drones, 4. The basis for statements by our so-called "off-system opposition" that Putin again "leaked" everything by elections, 5 and to discredit Putin’s statement that ISIS covered itself with Russian support. Based on the set of goals, I assume that the action was carried out by order and with the support of striped "partners".
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 13 January 2018 11: 52
          +6
          From the evidence of your version, we only have that the attacks were carried out by forces nurtured by Turkey from the territory controlled by it. And you can’t cover it up, and the United States seems to be everywhere. Here, yesterday I laid it out late at night, but now it’s not lost relevance. But blaming us on the taboo site Erdogan, because our leadership is doing business with him, so it's easiest to blame everything on Omerik.
          January 10 23: 43
          Turkey expressed dissatisfaction with the rapid offensive of the Syrian government army in the most densely populated de-escalation zone "Idlib" on its border. “The regime’s forces are moving forward in Idlib, Russia and Iran must fulfill their obligations and stop them,” Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Wednesday (quoted by Anadolu). He added that the Turkish army began to deploy a fourth observation post in the largest region of Idlib province, controlled by moderate Syrian opposition.
          In response, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported that drones attacking Russian bases on the night of January 6 were launched from the southwestern part of the Idlib zone, controlled by moderate opposition. In this regard, the Ministry of Defense sent letters to the Chief of General Staff and the Director of Intelligence of Turkey, indicating the need for Ankara to fulfill its obligations to control the ceasefire and "intensify the work of setting up observation posts in the Idlib de-escalation zone in order to suppress such attacks" https: / /www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2
          018/01/11/747413-turtsiya-siriiskim-nastupleniem
          1. Alex-a832
            Alex-a832 13 January 2018 13: 26
            +1
            I don’t understand why you decided that I was blocking Turkey. Turkey has never been friendly to us. There is neutrality between us now, although our interests in Syria are opposite. Those circumstances that I see speak of mattress provocation. The fact that they used for the attack territory that is to some extent controlled by the Turks is logical - they are not such stupid people as to run into a military conflict open with us. And the Turks will come out more than once that they were crap in Syria. Who is protecting Erdagan here? He is the same foe - at any moment he will shoot in the back, but not yet time - there is no weighty argument.
  3. Mole
    Mole 13 January 2018 09: 15
    +6
    Grass there!
    America was seen in pro-Turkish fighters and, possibly, Turkish soldiers.
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  4. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 13 January 2018 09: 18
    +2
    Quote: rotmistr60
    photos of representatives of terrorist groups against the background of Turkish military equipment and weapons
    It is clear that Western intelligence agencies will not miss this. But Turkey is pursuing its goals, and by and large it does not give a damn about Russia. I won’t be surprised if the Turks give us another surprise.

    I agree! Everyone wants to have their own profit there, And the Turks are not the most peaceful side of the conflict there. And they never refused to create the Ottoman Empire.
  5. Vanin
    Vanin 13 January 2018 09: 19
    14
    Bleed Russia and Turkey, the number two attempt is called ... Imagine the men, if the conflict had flared up, as if the United States and Israel would have been happy, would have handled their dirty tricks on BV, etc.
    Do not wait gentlemen! We will tear Turkey away from NATO and this will be the beginning of the end, to all world money-lenders ..
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 January 2018 09: 25
    +3
    Some kind of wedges ... An attack on our bomber - it was a "clinic" that was scored deeply and for a long time ... And no one forgets about it. Politics is the art of the possible. And not like amers - I want to turn what I want. That’s what they’ve done ... Turkey is “tearing it away” from Europe and NATO (consider the USA), and the smiles and hugs of the Turks do not deceive anyone. Turkish Stream is a double-edged sword. Turkey is planted on a "gas needle." And in the case of "improper behavior" - the valve "Whack" ... The same system - with a nuclear power plant. The circuit breaker remains with us. For a long time.
  7. Hottabych
    Hottabych 13 January 2018 09: 35
    +9
    After the attack on our base, the MO quickly took a look at the situation. They advanced in Idlib, even took the airfield, if I am not mistaken, having, so to speak, full moral right to counterattack. So that there would be no disagreements, the president said that he understood the whole situation and the machinations of enemies.) They bit off a piece - bite off two! Everything is fine.
    Only the guys who died are sorry.
    1. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 13 January 2018 09: 52
      +1
      It's hard in Idlib now. Losses are high. In recent days, the Tigers have lost the best field commanders Ali Hassan and Wisam Jahjah. SAA Brigadier General Ezzaldin Yaghi (Abu Shuayb) was killed yesterday. The militants claim that in recent days they killed over 200 SAA soldiers and the same number of prisoners. The Tigers were also handed over new armored vehicles.
      1. Viktor.12.71
        Viktor.12.71 13 January 2018 10: 08
        +1
        Here is another armor.
  8. hotrod
    hotrod 13 January 2018 09: 44
    +2
    special forces eliminated the militants involved in the attack on Khmeimim and completely destroyed the shock drones production facilities

    keep it up soldier
  9. askort154
    askort154 13 January 2018 09: 50
    +9
    Judging by the fact that Erdogan called Putin when he was at a meeting with representatives of our media in Komsomolskaya Pravda, the call was important.
    I believe Erdogan reported the result of "his" investigation into the attack on Khmeimim. The attack had two goals - to humiliate the Russian air defense and drive another wedge between the Russian Federation and Turkey. This is a continuation of the "chain" of the CIA - the downed Su-24 and the murder of our ambassador Andrei Karlov. Rapprochement between Turkey and Russia is a big hemorrhoids for the USA.
  10. onix757
    onix757 13 January 2018 09: 55
    +1
    What a wedge can be between best friends. Nata members periodically poking knives in the back will never let you down smile
    1. askort154
      askort154 13 January 2018 10: 04
      +5
      onix757 .... What can be a wedge between best friends. Members of Nata periodically poking knives in the back will never fail.

      Then justify why the Turks need all this? They just lost our billions for our downed Su-24. Turkey is not the United States, they do not have their own printing press for the production of "greens". Will you beat the glass to your neighbor, then insert the plastic at your own expense ?! recourse
      1. onix757
        onix757 13 January 2018 10: 16
        +1
        Look more broadly, the Russian Federation provided them with such preferences in trade that any "decent" Ottoman will not be able to resist
        1. askort154
          askort154 13 January 2018 12: 40
          +1
          onix757 ... Look more broadly, the Russian Federation has provided them with such preferences in trade that any "decent" Ottoman will not be able to resist


          Wider than your logic, either a hangover or schizophrenia. hi
          Or read your post again. hi
  11. Livonetc
    Livonetc 13 January 2018 10: 10
    +2
    Zrdogan will still be capricious.
    But he has no choice.
    Only Russia.
    The United States will not forgive his own will.
    Dumped as soon as possible.
    He understands this perfectly.
  12. flicker
    flicker 13 January 2018 10: 11
    +4
    completely destroyed the shock drones production facilities.

    "Power" is, presumably, two-legged creatures what
  13. garnik
    garnik 13 January 2018 10: 18
    +2
    Idlib governorate is almost entirely populated by Turkoman; recently, several villages are populated by Uyghurs. It is very poorly believed that representatives of the Turkic ethnic group will betray the interests of Turkey and go on about the Shtatovs. Rather, Garant has no choice but to justify Erdogash. As they say, a drowning man clutches at a straw, only Turkey is more likely a cobblestone.
    1. protoss
      protoss 13 January 2018 22: 57
      +3
      No, the idlib is mainly the Arab population, the Turkmens in the north of Latakia, the Uyghurs in the Jisr Sugur and its environs, but there are relatively few of them, maybe several tens of thousands with women and children. in the idlib, the population is now 2 times larger than before the war, because Sunni Arabs about the whole of Syria come here for several years.
      but you are right, the Turkmens with the Uyghurs of the Turks will not betray, and vice versa.
      1. Alex1117
        Alex1117 14 January 2018 08: 49
        0
        China, apparently just the Uyghurs and had in mind when it announced the sending of Chinese special forces to Syria? If there also appear the Chinas, those who are now in Idlib will run to betray everyone and everything. As we once said about the meeting of the Chinese General Staff, at which they discuss the plan of the offensive: "So, we will advance in small groups, 2-3 million people each, no more."
      2. garnik
        garnik 14 January 2018 09: 40
        +1
        Judging by the media, Idlib is controlled by pro-Turkish militants. If the positions of the Syrian army are attacked, then this is nusra, in case of an otvetka, "armed opposition." A Sunni Arabs, Turkey uses in their interests.
  14. andron-30
    andron-30 13 January 2018 10: 40
    +3
    the fact that you couldn’t do without mattress is don’t go to your grandmother, but only to Turkish special forces, one of the best should have turned a couple of other goals to those who launched the attack and an occasion to check our air defenses, and a couple of other blows to the “opposition” would not hurt us to carry, that would know who steers in Syria.
    1. Nikolai Passerby
      Nikolai Passerby 13 January 2018 14: 05
      +1
      Quote: andron-30
      only Turkish special forces, one of the best should roll a couple of other goals for those who launched an attack and an occasion to check our air defense

      Then they will have to turn their own heads ... Heh heh heh heh ... The Turks conduct their policy in Syria, and they do well without mattress.
      Quote: andron-30
      and it would not hurt us to carry a couple of other blows on the "opposition" so that they would know who steers in Syria.

      Inflicted already, only this pro-Turkish "opposition" turned out to be. So Erdogan tried to take revenge on our military ... The Kremlin is not profitable to aggravate the conflict with the Turks, you have to endure and blame everything on the Americans, pretending to believe Erdogan ...
  15. flicker
    flicker 13 January 2018 10: 51
    +4
    Our enemies are trying to change the existing alignment of forces in Syria: they either support the unrest in Iran to weaken their activity, or they try to (partially carry out) sabotage on our bases (on New Year's Eve and Christmas), on the one hand, in the hope of provoking a negative reaction among the Russian population against the Ministry of Defense, on the other hand, they are trying to link these sabotage with another ally (albeit situational).
    Fortunately, they failed to achieve their goals - on the contrary, their evil appearance looms even more clearly, in words they are against the terrorists in fact, they are allies.
    The disappointment and gloom of their current friends - in their thoughts, in their words - and more and more aggression in preparing and carrying out provocations, and their true nature is already an open secret.
  16. aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 January 2018 10: 55
    +2
    Syrian journalist Riyad Farid Hijab believes that this is a well-thought-out information operation of Western intelligence agencies, of course the purpose of which is to try to drive a wedge into relations between Moscow and Ankara again.

    The Darkest declared this same thing, and it seems that this has the most compelling reasons. GDP, just saying that, is completely different.
  17. Maz
    Maz 13 January 2018 12: 57
    0
    Turks and percussion swarming drones are like Tuaregs and a space station in a cloud of meteors.
  18. Prisoner
    Prisoner 13 January 2018 13: 08
    +2
    And what is there to drive in and what to try? Russia did not have friendship with the Turks and cannot be, as history shows. Unless neutrality and then for a while.
    1. Alex1117
      Alex1117 14 January 2018 08: 51
      0
      But the story, as your comment shows, you do not know.
  19. Maz
    Maz 13 January 2018 13: 09
    +1
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    Quote: rotmistr60
    photos of representatives of terrorist groups against the background of Turkish military equipment and weapons
    It is clear that Western intelligence agencies will not miss this. But Turkey is pursuing its goals, and by and large it does not give a damn about Russia. I won’t be surprised if the Turks give us another surprise.

    I agree! Everyone wants to have their own profit there, And the Turks are not the most peaceful side of the conflict there. And they never refused to create the Ottoman Empire.

    The empire of the Ottomans is better than the empire of the Rockefellers and Vanderbilt. With the Ottomans at least you can agree on tomatoes, tourism, potatoes ... s-400.
  20. Nikolai Passerby
    Nikolai Passerby 13 January 2018 13: 53
    +1
    Turkey. like Iran, they can never be friends of Russia. Only for a certain time - fellow travelers. The Kremlin pretends to be dull and shuts Erdogan. It’s all about the future gas pipeline, so the stakes in this game are so high that the Kremlin has to endure Erdoогan’s tricks ... Soon, it will also be with Iran. And it’s just convenient to blame everything on the Americans, they are accustomed to this and lazily snarl in response ...
    1. Alex1117
      Alex1117 14 January 2018 08: 55
      0
      We have no friends and cannot be. This is Alexander the Third noticed. But Iran and Turkey may well be long-term allies of ours. But for this we need to help stop the US attempts to carry out coups in these fears. What we have already done once.
  21. koshmarik
    koshmarik 14 January 2018 13: 51
    0
    While in Syria the US occupation regime will operate, not a single issue on a peaceful settlement in this country will be resolved. So, all the forces we must direct to the withdrawal of America from the occupied Syrian territories. Go Russia.
  22. koshmarik
    koshmarik 14 January 2018 13: 55
    0
    Quote: Nikolai Passerby
    Turkey. like Iran, they can never be friends of Russia. Only for a certain time - fellow travelers.


    Never in the history of mankind have there been countries that would be friends, they are not there now, they will not be in the future - this is a social axiom. But fellow travelers, temporary allies, partners - this is welcome.
    1. Nikolai Passerby
      Nikolai Passerby 14 January 2018 22: 43
      0
      Quote: koshmarik
      But fellow travelers, temporary allies, partners - this is welcome.

      Why repeat what I said, but on your behalf?! ...
  23. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 14 January 2018 16: 21
    0
    Quote: Going
    We need to expand there, including northern Africa, and this can and should be done, while making a profit.

    I propose the Syrian Autonomous Republic as part of the Russian Federation with the capital in Tartus laughing
    1. karish
      karish 14 January 2018 16: 29
      0
      Quote: Sergeant71
      Quote: Going
      We need to expand there, including North Africa, and this can and should be done, while making a profit.

      I propose the Syrian Autonomous Republic as part of the Russian Federation with the capital in Tartus laughing

      I will support.
      In general, Russia / the USSR has a great deal of experience in getting this, how it is - well, profit laughing
      1. Nikolai Passerby
        Nikolai Passerby 14 January 2018 22: 51
        0
        Quote: karish
        In general, Russia / the USSR has a great deal of experience in getting this, how it is - well, profit

        It is unlikely that the local "urraaa-patriots" will understand your irony ... At least most of them.