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Organizational conclusions after an attack by militants at the Russian air forces air base "Khmeimim" in Syria

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Organizational conclusions after an attack by militants at the Russian air forces air base "Khmeimim" in SyriaThere are reports from Syria about the successful operation of the Syrian government army in the southern part of the province of Idlib, in which several thousand terrorists linked to Al-Qaida (banned in the Russian Federation) are concentrated. It is noted that during the operation, which lasted several hours from the militants were released three settlements. The CAA entered Al-Nasiriyah, Luaybid and Eastern Lujibid, killing up to a hundred terrorists.


A relatively large detachment of militants tried to retreat towards residential areas of larger settlements, but at that moment a retreating column was covered from the air aviation Syrian Air Force. A group of militants was destroyed in the vicinity of Kafr Nabl.

After that, the Syrian troops managed to take control of one of the command posts of the militants, from which the operations against government forces were carried out. The CAA command reports that the army will conduct an offensive until the complete defeat of al-Qaida’s terrorist cells * not only in Idlib, but throughout Syria, and the terrorists will not be able to stop the offensive, even if "the opposition flags will hide behind American mercenaries ".

Against this background, it was reported that, in connection with the attacks of militants at the air base of the Russian Aerospace Forces "Khmeimim", the command decided on some changes in defensive logistics. In particular, questions of protection not only of the immediate perimeter of a military facility, but also of approaches to it, from a distance of which the militants could carry out mortar shelling, have been revised.

The route of terrorists who, a few days ago as part of a mobile mortar group, were able to reach the airbase in Lattakia for a distance of several kilometers, was thoroughly studied. Experts believe that without accurate satellite maps and aerial photographs, the militants would not have such an opportunity. In turn, this makes it clear that the attack on the Khmeimim airfield could not be carried out without the "outside" assistance provided to the militants.

In this regard, decisions can be taken to counter the activity of UAVs, which has become the most pronounced over Latakia in the last few weeks.
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  1. hrych
    hrych 6 January 2018 16: 11
    19
    but also the approaches to it, from the distance of which militants could carry out mortar shelling

    process dust and mine tightly
    1. Vard
      Vard 6 January 2018 16: 14
      99
      We have the property ... Brilliantly eliminate the consequences ... There is no way to think in advance ...
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 16: 23
        64
        Quote: Vard
        We have the property ... Brilliantly eliminate the consequences ... There is no way to think in advance ...

        And you, presumably, all of yourself in life are so well-worn and thought out? And never messed up?
        This is a war. And if it’s true then the video that was walking around here (with fireworks and firing for the new year), then ... they got off cheaply in general.
        I am sure that tomorrow (on the 7th) there will definitely be no fireworks there.
        But this was somewhat surprising:
        . counter decisions can be made drone activity, which has become most pronounced over Latakia in the past few weeks

        What is there, it would seem, to "decide"? Shoot them down to such and such a grandmother ... all drones, except ours, are superfluous there.
        IMHO.
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 6 January 2018 16: 43
          15
          Quote: Vard
          We have the property ... Brilliantly eliminate the consequences ... There is no way to think in advance ...


          One more expert is immediately visible
          Praise your merit, or hint, at least to believe your words
          1. Going
            Going 6 January 2018 19: 34
            17
            “Only he who does nothing is not mistaken,” and this experience is expensive.
            1. seos
              seos 6 January 2018 21: 31
              13
              That's just what we do nothing .... they’ve been at war with us since the 90s, and we respond on the principle of turning the other cheek ... Putin needs to take balls from Kim, at least for a while ....
              1. Going
                Going 6 January 2018 21: 36
                17
                Try to become the President and we will help you, see what you can do.
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 6 January 2018 22: 01
                  16
                  Quote: Going
                  Try to become the President and we will help you, see what you can do.

                  ... at 6 kilometers from the Base to “catch” a wandering mortar, it’s like to guess which Black Cat is in the Garden Ring in Moscow ... There are no wonders in the World ... hi
                  1. Going
                    Going 6 January 2018 22: 09
                    +5
                    Greetings, Alex! hi , comrade wants glory, but everyday life comes and life demands today and now, and there are so many dreams ...
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 6 January 2018 22: 28
                      +4
                      Quote: Going
                      Greetings, Alex!

                      ... My regards ! Victor ... hi .
                      Quote: Going
                      comrade wants glory, but bytovuha comes and life demands today and now, and there are so many dreams ...

                      ... yeah ... well, at least revered for decency for organizing the protection ... there are plenty of materials on the network ... and even they don’t have enough mind for that ... then they have 82 mm when directly hit the horizontal tail, leaves no traces on the vertical, at a distance of 1 meter ... laughing ... then give them mining around and at least 10 km away ... where they really don’t know the Peace ... we didn’t fly even from Jeble even at the time of the 5th OpESk ... the other was an airfield and only Tu-16R ... hi
              2. Baby sitter
                Baby sitter 7 January 2018 23: 14
                0
                They have been fighting in us since the 90s .... What century? Specify?
                1. Seraphimamur
                  Seraphimamur 11 January 2018 04: 26
                  0
                  Yes, for all centuries in the 90s of any century, Russia fought all the time!
              3. lukewarm
                lukewarm 12 January 2018 09: 25
                0
                Quote: seos
                Kim’s need to take balls from Kim,

                That's for sure. Kim is only easier - he has no oligarchs who would bring him to power in due time and on which he would depend. And the Central Bank - the representative of the Fed. And in general, socialism and other people.
            2. iouris
              iouris 6 January 2018 23: 13
              +4
              Quote: Going
              this experience is expensive.

              Already have more than enough of this experience. You need to know the regulatory documents to read literature.
              If the special forces of a certain power worked, then the debt of honor must be repaid.
            3. vtyrtn
              vtyrtn 7 January 2018 04: 55
              +4
              There are reports that Ahrar al-Alawi has dozens of drones, and several UAVs are attacking the base simultaneously. At the same time, in addition to this grouping, at least four more large detachments of other militants operate in the region, and they will probably quickly adopt the best practices of allies.

              The air defense system of the base with drones can not do anything, coping with solitary sin in half, but against massive attacks, allowing failures. In addition, with some malevolence, Ahrar al-Alawi in a sound clip reports a shootout already inside the air base between the Russian and Syrian military. What is true and what is not there is difficult to say, but apparently, the external perimeter of the defense of Khmeimim, which the Syrians are in charge of, has been broken through in many places and has ceased to fulfill its mission. The base personnel simply do not have the strength to take the perimeter under their protection - it requires a full-fledged battalion-two with all the necessary equipment and weapons to secure the surrounding territory. There is an objective need to urgently transfer additional reinforcements from Russia to protect and defend the object, otherwise the base will eventually just be thrown from drones, albeit by small, but quite dangerous bombs
              1. vtyrtn
                vtyrtn 7 January 2018 05: 03
                +1
                In the vicinity of the Russian base of Khmeimim today, after dark, powerful explosions were heard in the air. Base lighting is off.
                Military sources report an attack by a group of armed drones.
                Clarification:
                Damage / destruction of 1 aircraft, damage / destruction of one S-400 installation is reported. The Ahrar al-Alawi group claimed responsibility for the attack. They promise to repeat. The attack continues.
                1. lieutenant colonel
                  lieutenant colonel 9 January 2018 18: 47
                  0
                  As far as I understand, Khmeimim attacked 10 drones simultaneously. The protection task was fully completed, but the main thing was to clarify with whom and what you had to deal with, so they seized control and planted ... Although it was easier, as you say, to create a dome.
                  In short - wait and see. Following the airborne forces and air defense, it was the turn of the EW troops to gain combat experience.
          2. Leeds
            Leeds 6 January 2018 20: 16
            10
            three settlements have been freed. SAA entered Al-Nasiriya, Luwaibida and East Luwaibida, destroying up to hundreds of terrorists.

            A pinch of nonsense at the beginning of bad news to boost morale. The intellectual level of the audience is assessed as that of those who are excluded from poor performance of vocational schools, apparently.

            3 microscopic villages in the desert were taken, but the surviving spirits took a hundred of the dead with them, because no one took a picture of it there, or “the phone was on charge”.
            1. sheridans
              sheridans 6 January 2018 20: 29
              +8
              And I was there and drank vodka?
          3. passerby5
            passerby5 12 January 2018 18: 04
            0
            why did you run into him? for the truth? It has long been said, until the thunder strikes, the Russian man does not cross himself .... if not sad, but a fact. chat with the Afghans. there were similar cases (well, even without drones), so then they took measures. Ie experience is. or here, too, had to step on the rake. I agree, after the fire and the X pump, but nonetheless ....
        2. tchoni
          tchoni 6 January 2018 17: 02
          42
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          And you, presumably, all of yourself in life are so well-worn and thought out? And never messed up?

          You know, a year ago satellite images of the hmeimim base were released on this site. I don’t remember what they were showing off ... but they posted it. They are now lying somewhere in the photo-video. So, adequate people from the local community then pointed out to the gentlemen who were lovers of joy that there was obvious disorder in organizing the parking of planes and other aircraft (there was not only dispersal of la (which, by the way, the Charter requires), but also an elementary fire-fighting embankment of individual parking lots. I’m silent about shelters, etc. e.) And they explained to enthusiastic people that with any artillery, bomb, missile strike (underline as necessary), such a standing is bad in the end! BUT!!!
          Enthusiastic people responded that it’s easier to protect the assembled equipment and people from individual loonies on shahid mobiles. And, they say, the shell is rocking the rockets ...
          Experts believe that without the availability of accurate satellite maps and aerial photographs, militants would not have such an opportunity. In turn, this makes it clear that the attack on the Khmeimim airfield could not have been carried out without "outside" assistance provided to the militants.
          In this regard, decisions can be taken to counter the activity of UAVs, which has become the most pronounced over Latakia in the last few weeks.

          It’s not a problem to get a satellite map of the Khmeimim base in Google. Yes, its accuracy is + -25 meters in a circle, but to get into a clumped side (actually in the pictures wing to wing) a parking lot measuring 50x300 meters (very rough estimate) - this accuracy is enough.
          Well, the control of drones ....
          But I’m embarrassed to ask, is our idea a bastard? and whose is he enti drones homeless does not shoot down within a radius of 10 km?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 17: 40
            12
            Quote: tchoni
            tchoni

            I understand you, and I agree with almost everything.
            What I agree ... not quite:
            Latakia is a civilian airport in the past; I don’t know if Assad was (conditionally) "reassigned" to re-arrange it into a full-fledged air base.
            But I think that now it will definitely be, and they will "redraw".
            UAVs do nefig there, I already said that. It is strange that they did not shoot down before. Now, I think, they will begin.
            For the map is one thing, and the on-line adjustment is much more attractive. For the attacker, naturally.
            That something like this.
            1. Incvizitor
              Incvizitor 6 January 2018 18: 36
              11
              Latakia is a civilian airport in the past; I don’t know if Assad was (conditionally) "reassigned" to re-arrange it into a full-fledged air base.

              Have caponiers been poured out of the sand there?
              Just like this:

              Or did they just put wing to wing at the air show?
              1. Spez
                Spez 6 January 2018 22: 56
                +3
                Why are caponiers, let’s immediately pour sand into the engines, and “reserve” with stones over the lantern, and put bags on the wings with the same sand - not a single mine will take. Oh, yes, I forgot about the anti-cumulative gratings, like on tanks, so that if they shoot from a grenade launcher ...
                1. user
                  user 8 January 2018 08: 15
                  +2
                  Why are caponiers, let’s immediately pour sand into the engines, and “reserve” with stones over the lantern, and put bags on the wings with the same sand - not a single mine will take.


                  For the gifted I explain. In the Soviet Union, at the Step airport (which is now being restored), all open parking lots were bunded, inside the bunded area there were chippers - behind engines, ammunition - including a bomb and left room for all kinds of technical work (but the parking was small). And this is in Transbaikalia, in peacetime, in the deep rear of the country.
                  And these are all explanations about the war and events not taken into account - this is an explanation of the next commander crap - think up a position and title yourself.
                  By the way, the terrain and terrain are identical, it's just warmer in Syria.
            2. Grits
              Grits 7 January 2018 12: 16
              +3
              If you look at the surroundings adjacent to Khmeimim in a satellite image, it will become clear why it is not so easy to organize a normal base guard. Around civilian objects, residential and administrative buildings, roads, copses and other crap, in which barmels on a car are lost - like two fingers wet. You won’t mine anything around, you won’t put five rows of thorns and you won’t strike a massive retaliatory artillery strike. In addition, I agree with the previous speaker that it is time to return the guards from the Syrians to use the guards from the Syrians.
          2. the most important
            the most important 6 January 2018 17: 59
            15
            Quote: tchoni
            But I’m embarrassed to ask, is our idea a bastard? and whose is he enti drones homeless does not shoot down within a radius of 10 km?

            What if this "partner" is being played? no offense .... Tram is angry. But seriously, the base was chosen poorly ... you need to transfer it to the desert. so that every gopher 300 versts around was in full view and if he sticks his nose out of the mink, he would automatically get a bullet in his forehead. And leave Latakia as the second airfield. And over the whole of Syria it is high time to introduce a no-fly zone for those who are there without an invitation.
            1. Rostislav
              Rostislav 6 January 2018 18: 07
              +7
              Transfer of the base is unrealistic, but under this
              And over the whole of Syria, it’s high time to introduce a no-fly zone for those who are there without an invitation.

              would subscribe 100500 times.
              1. My doctor
                My doctor 6 January 2018 18: 52
                +2
                Quote: Rostislav
                would subscribe 100500 times.

                It’s a pity that you are not respected Assad or Putin.
                1. Pirogov
                  Pirogov 6 January 2018 20: 35
                  +5
                  Quote: MyVrach
                  It’s a pity that you are not respected Assad or Putin.

                  So Assad does not have much more opportunities than Rostislav.)))
            2. Kent0001
              Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 25
              0
              Do you call it translate? This is called-build, expensive and long.
              1. Grits
                Grits 7 January 2018 12: 23
                +2
                This is called-build, expensive and long.[i] [/ i]
                Actually, if you look at the map, there are a lot of airfields in Syria. Including the military and most in the desert. The only question is that for us Khmeimim is just the most successful place - not far from the port and base of Tartus - no one canceled the logistics. After all, basically everything is imported from there. And by the beginning of the war, it was the safest place controlled by Assad
                1. lukewarm
                  lukewarm 12 January 2018 09: 48
                  0
                  Quote: Gritsa
                  And by the beginning of the war, it was the safest place controlled by Assad

                  smile And after the victorious end - is no longer controlled. As required by the terrorists before the election of GDP.
            3. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 7 January 2018 03: 46
              +3
              Quote: the most important
              the base is selected unsuccessfully ...

              It is doubtful that they provided a bunch of bases to choose from .... especially at a time when Russia entered Syria !!!
        3. askme
          askme 6 January 2018 17: 25
          +3
          It is enough to process them with electronic warfare ...)
        4. Kent0001
          Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 18
          +7
          ssym probably ... knock down something .... or process the reb. sworn friends do not order. and it will continue to be, UNLESS THE MATRESSES HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFF AND THE BARMALIANS REALLY (AND NOT WON WIN, WORD) ....
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 19: 21
            +7
            Quote: Kent0001
            Kent0001

            Do you have enuresis? My condolences.
            And if they once served a thread, they should know that without an order something (God forbid) to “knock down” is fraught sideways.
            Apparently, there was no such order. Judging by the latest news - now it is.
            1. Kent0001
              Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 23
              +7
              We’ll see .. I can’t believe my order. Yes, and about enuresis, remember, people do not judge people by themselves.
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 6 January 2018 21: 34
                +1
                Quote: Kent0001
                Yes, and about enuresis, remember, people do not judge people by themselves

                Quote: Kent0001
                ssym probably ... knock down something ...

                Strange yet ...
          2. Cop
            Cop 6 January 2018 22: 33
            +2
            ssym probably ... knock down something ...

            Why piss? Here ......
        5. Vard
          Vard 6 January 2018 19: 58
          +1
          Alas, nothing national is alien to me ... And walking the rake is my favorite pastime ... As a result, I have fourth-degree cancer and disability of the second group ... And this is not gloating, but regret ...
        6. Mih1974
          Mih1974 6 January 2018 22: 45
          +4
          Remember in the Chechen war, the defense of Khankala has reached the level of "absolute" - NOT a single shelling, let alone mortar attack !! am
          If for this you need to make a "dead zone" and a radius of 10 km around the perimeter - then let them do it. on houses and crops - to resettle people, to mine all fields so that even a cockroach would explode! good Local people will be unhappy - we can offer to fight without us fool surely both the resettlement and the ban on the use of fields will cost the Assad administration much less than a war without us. lol
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 7 January 2018 10: 47
            +3
            Remember in the Chechen war, the defense of Khankala has reached the level of "absolute" - NOT a single shelling, let alone mortar attack !!

            Except for periodic sniper attacks and several downed helicopters directly above the runway, we can agree. In general, the defense of Khankala was disgustingly organized and only the militants' lack of sufficient weapons allowed it to be used. By the way, MI-26 and 130 servicemen were also shot down in Khankala during landing.
        7. The Siberian barber
          The Siberian barber 7 January 2018 00: 06
          +3
          Sorry, do you anticipate an attack ??? If so, why such losses ??? If not, why such losses ???? Security people in progress ?????
          We pay with coffins, again ... (((
          Teaches nothing, experience, life ... (
          Shame and disgrace...((((
        8. Titsen
          Titsen 7 January 2018 19: 57
          +2
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: Vard
          We have the property ... Brilliantly eliminate the consequences ... There is no way to think in advance ...

          And you, presumably, all of yourself in life are so well-worn and thought out? And never messed up?
          This is a war. And if it’s true then the video that was walking around here (with fireworks and firing for the new year), then ... they got off cheaply in general.
          I am sure that tomorrow (on the 7th) there will definitely be no fireworks there.
          But this was somewhat surprising:
          . counter decisions can be made drone activity, which has become most pronounced over Latakia in the past few weeks

          What is there, it would seem, to "decide"? Shoot them down to such and such a grandmother ... all drones, except ours, are superfluous there.
          IMHO.


          He (to whom you are addressing) the General Staff of the Russian Federation !!!!!

          What are you talking about?

          There even the Heroes of the Russian Federation never sit on the battlefield did not leave !!!

          So UNIQUE, but such can not mess !!!!

          You surprised me with your statements !!!

          We sofa experts can, but they are NOT !!!

          Should not!!!!

          In the 21st century, overslept mortar shelling !!!!

          By the name of the article, I realized they removed someone from the General Staff !!!!!

          They didn’t take a damn - what is the article about? !!!!!!!!!!!
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 7 January 2018 20: 03
            +7
            Quote: Titsen
            Nevermind.

            Nefiga... yell, I hear well stop
            Quote: Titsen
            Mortar shelling overslept in the 21st century

            Look at the map carefully where the airfield is located.
            Rather, I am surprised that there were no such attacks before.
            Quote: Titsen
            What are you talking about?

            It is about this very yes
      2. evp
        evp 6 January 2018 17: 04
        0
        can specially left a loophole, so that in the act to take mattress covers?)
        1. Kent0001
          Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 21
          13
          Che, another tricky, fancy plan you know who? Not funny, no longer funny.
      3. LSA57
        LSA57 6 January 2018 17: 11
        +5
        Quote: Vard
        We have the property ... Brilliantly eliminate the consequences ..

        only he who does NOTHING is not mistaken
        1. Kent0001
          Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 28
          11
          those. uncles with big stars do nothing. During the operation, they could already have prepared for different situations, taking into account the presence of Militants in Damascus. No offense to our HIGH command, but they messed up enough (to recall a fake video from the game, and the death of a military general on the front line, well, and certainly something that we just shouldn’t be supposed to know). I do not believe in 7 destroyed aircraft, but the worm of doubt gnaws and gnaws ...
          1. UAZ 452
            UAZ 452 7 January 2018 09: 14
            +3
            Let us recall the death of two nurses, when the hospital was deployed less than two km from the positions of the militants (instructions in the medical service where it is written in Russian that even the MP regiment is deployed 4-5 km from the front edge, apparently, was used only as source of toilet paper).
            And about the aircraft "in the ruler" ... It would seem that after the 41st year, it’s exactly impossible for us. But on you - again.
            1. Vasya Vassin
              Vasya Vassin 7 January 2018 12: 59
              0
              Yes, the news is amazing. On the box, no sound.
      4. kamski
        kamski 6 January 2018 17: 11
        +3
        where in the Ministry of Emergency Situations such knowledge in the Ministry of Emergencies does not prepare such
      5. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 6 January 2018 17: 17
        +4
        Quote: Vard
        We have the property ... Brilliantly eliminate the consequences ... There is no way to think in advance ...

        The same thoughts. not first graders same damn.
        1. Kent0001
          Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 30
          +2
          Here I am about the same thing, because now they are pecking me from the sofas.
      6. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 6 January 2018 17: 48
        +6
        Quote: Vard
        We have the property ... Brilliantly eliminate the consequences ... There is no way to think in advance.

        You can only destroy the enemy after or preventively. You cannot prevent it without identifying it. You can calmly bombard both the White House and the Kremlin with mortars ... It is impossible to reveal the intentions of a closed group.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 18: 07
          +6
          Quote: Barkhan
          You can calmly bombard the White House and the Kremlin with mortars

          This is overkill. Everything else is true.
          1. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 6 January 2018 20: 54
            10
            [quote = Golovan Jack] This is overkill. . [/ qu
            Not at all. Let me sketch you a few options ...
            1) Approaches At a 3 km range, the road-repairing machine installs 4 shields with a box and calmly sets an 82 mm mortar. Because of the shields it is not visible. What the "workers" do there.
            2) The same machine with high sides (no shields are required on the ground. A mortar is fired and at the end the top tent for shooting is thrown off ...
            3) Flat roofs of houses or pitched with partial disassembly ... under the guise of repair work ....
            Notice I threw three options in five minutes ... Moreover, construction companies and passes to the center will be real, they will simply be used in the dark.
            All measurements of distances and landmarks, calculations can be made in advance.
            Well, if the executors are ideological suicide bombers who do not require evacuation, then the time for execution will increase ...
            Something similar could be in Latakia.
            The methods of war are constantly being improved. And only total cleansing of territories with the physical destruction of the enemy brings complete victory. Any sorting of the good and the bad leads only to temporary occupation with the subsequent withdrawal of troops. That is, the surrender of the fruits of victory.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 21: 43
              +4
              Quote: Barkhan
              1-2-3

              It's not gonna go. Why - I won’t say it, but it won’t for sure.
              Quote: Barkhan
              only total sweeping of territories with the physical destruction of the enemy brings complete victory

              IMHO - this is still the problem of CAA and Assad.
              The problem of the Russian Federation is to maintain the base (s).
              We need to work on this ... well, and help the CAA, as needed.
              That's about as request
              1. BARKHAN
                BARKHAN 6 January 2018 22: 38
                +5
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                It's not gonna go. Why - I won’t say it, but it won’t for sure.

                Earth-planet is triangular. Why not, I will not say, but triangular for sure.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 23: 00
                  +5
                  Quote: Barkhan
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  It's not gonna go. Why - I won’t say it, but it won’t for sure.

                  Earth-planet is triangular. Why not, I will not say, but triangular for sure.

                  Pseudo-rhombocuboctahedron laughing
                  Here is one:

                  Not everything that was told to you can and should be said - have you heard, probably?
                  Well, wooooo ...
              2. Grits
                Grits 7 January 2018 12: 35
                +2
                This area is the most loyal to Assad, the support there is awful. Therefore, there is an option to strengthen undercover work among local residents and create conditions so that at the sight of any suspicious equipment and suspicious people, the local population would immediately call on a trump phone, from there directly to the base. Difficult, troublesome, but at least something.
            2. Mih1974
              Mih1974 6 January 2018 22: 55
              10
              I already wrote about the experience of protecting Khankala - 10 on the perimeter of the "dead zone", resettle ALL, mine everything. access only on two roads specially equipped for catching shahid mobiles good any louse stuck in the "perimeter" - is destroyed indiscriminately !! Nobody enters the guarded perimeter, neither local policemen, nor "shepherd for a goat", nor "slightly crazy", should be killed by ALL who snoops on unauthorized roads. Do not accept any claims for "accidentally killed". Constantly UAVs with thermal imagers would guard the perimeter so that no one could even think to slip through the “insolent” position. good
      7. Vladimir K.
        Vladimir K. 6 January 2018 18: 31
        +8
        You can’t think of everything here. In general, it is surprising that such provocations did not happen before that - our airfield is the most dear target for any terrorists in Syria. Well, if now they are insured against such excesses, and it would be nice to get artists and customers to get and spray on atoms.
      8. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 6 January 2018 19: 03
        +5
        Quote: Vard
        We have the property ... Brilliantly eliminate the consequences ... There is no way to think in advance ...

        (+) for the second sentence, funny.
        (-) for the nonsense of the third sentence. Thought without you and thought. They sat well for a year behind the fence. Partisan warfare is dynamic. Mines - good, helicopter patrols - good, Dogs, satellites, searches, etc., all is well, only a little will be. The NURS launch was recently, we didn’t understand the signal, we shot down and went to drink champagne, and they were already digging glanders.
        What to do is not visible from the couch.
      9. Kent0001
        Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 15
        +6
        ..that to think something? We defeated everyone. Here is the flip side of premature bravado. They really screwed up our Victory again, yes, but now we are taking measures.
        1. Kent0001
          Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 17
          +1
          ... and still, today in the news on ORT, board number 29 on taxiing was taking off, it was I who returned to the topic of destroyed planes.
      10. NEXUS
        NEXUS 6 January 2018 20: 04
        +4
        Quote: Vard
        We have the property ... Brilliantly eliminate the consequences ... There is no way to think in advance ...

        What makes you think that you didn’t think about it right away? Just what was undertaken in this regard was not enough. The main directions and probable approaches were initially blocked, but there were also ways that were not considered as dangerous, plus they didn’t block them. Plus, help UAV isilovites. And here the direct work of the air defense base and electronic warfare systems was clearly insufficient.
        We need a layered cover not only of Khmeimim, but also of Tartus, taking into account the approaches and operation of the UAV of any explicit or implicit adversary. This is apparently what our military contingent in Syria will do. And another very important point is the work with local residents in the vicinity of our bases in order to have their own people in the settlements located nearby.
      11. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 6 January 2018 23: 59
        0
        "Until the thunder strikes, the grandmother crosses herself"
      12. vtyrtn
        vtyrtn 7 January 2018 04: 55
        +1
        There are reports that Ahrar al-Alawi has dozens of drones, and several UAVs are attacking the base simultaneously. At the same time, in addition to this grouping, at least four more large detachments of other militants operate in the region, and they will probably quickly adopt the best practices of allies.

        The air defense system of the base with drones can not do anything, coping with solitary sin in half, but against massive attacks, allowing failures. In addition, with some malevolence, Ahrar al-Alawi in a sound clip reports a shootout already inside the air base between the Russian and Syrian military. What is true and what is not there is difficult to say, but apparently, the external perimeter of the defense of Khmeimim, which the Syrians are in charge of, has been broken through in many places and has ceased to fulfill its mission. The base personnel simply do not have the strength to take the perimeter under their protection - it requires a full-fledged battalion-two with all the necessary equipment and weapons to secure the surrounding territory. There is an objective need to urgently transfer additional reinforcements from Russia to protect and defend the object, otherwise the base will eventually just be thrown from drones, albeit by small, but quite dangerous bombs
    2. svp67
      svp67 6 January 2018 16: 17
      17
      Quote: hrych
      process dust and mine tightly

      Alas, DO NOT GET. There are TWO ROUTES and settlements nearby - full of .... This is not a wasteland, but a civilian airfield.
    3. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 6 January 2018 16: 17
      +6
      Quote: hrych
      but also the approaches to it, from the distance of which militants could carry out mortar shelling

      process dust and mine tightly

      Chemistry is prohibited. Humane napalm. A simple product that spoils the environment. Buildings are not damaged. But guaranteed to destroy mold.
      1. hrych
        hrych 6 January 2018 16: 43
        +2
        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
        Chemistry prohibited

        ETOGES DDT is an insecticide used against mosquitoes and pests, including agricultural ones. Who said barmalei are not pests laughing
      2. karish
        karish 6 January 2018 16: 49
        +3
        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
        Chemistry is prohibited. Humane napalm. A simple product that spoils the environment. Buildings are not damaged. But guaranteed to destroy mold.

        Quote: hrych
        process dust and mine tightly

        That case when I probably agree.
        More dust. laughing
    4. poquello
      poquello 6 January 2018 16: 23
      +3
      Quote: hrych
      but also the approaches to it, from the distance of which militants could carry out mortar shelling

      process dust and mine tightly

      already, already something banged in the air, while it is not clear, they are not very spread
      )))))))))))))))))))))))))
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 6 January 2018 16: 26
        +7
        I will duplicate my previous post:
        Speaking of drones: "This night, air defense forces from the Russian base of Khmeimim shot down unknown objects in the vicinity of the town of Jebl in the province of Latakia.
        This will be reported by journalists and activists on local sites and on social networks.
        “According to information from the place, a rocket was intercepted, according to other sources - a plane / drone,” writes the famous Syrian military commander with a pseudonym Ivan Sidorenko.
        Hundreds of residents of the area also reported loud explosions in the night sky, discussing the incident on local resources.
        According to preliminary data, two unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down.
        On the media resources of the city of Jebla, locals discuss explosions and are inclined to this version. This is written not only by civilians, but also by the fighters of the Syrian army.
        Samer Ahmad said that according to his data, two attack drone with bombs were destroyed. "
        Source: http://rusvesna.su/news/1514927900
        1. poquello
          poquello 6 January 2018 16: 31
          +3
          yeah, read yesterday, no more information
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 6 January 2018 16: 48
          +5
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Speaking of drones: "This night, air defense forces from the Russian base of Khmeimim shot down unknown objects in the vicinity of the town of Jebl in the province of Latakia
          .
          Well, you know that Letunov and air defense need to be protected, like the apple of the eye of the Eye. Otherwise, the barmagloths will triumph. There is only one conclusion, for the RF Armed Forces there is no One New Year. BUT! For one shift there is a New Year, For another, an Old New Year.
          By the way, according to the schedule, I like the Old New Year more
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 6 January 2018 17: 24
            +1
            It. truant sneaker on cockroaches drinks
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 6 January 2018 17: 41
              +3
              Quote: Tusv
              Well, you know that Letunov and air defense need to be protected, like the apple of the eye of the Eye.

              I know that when I was serving in the air defense, on holidays, duty was only intensified! I don’t think it’s different now.
              Quote: Tusv
              By the way, according to the schedule, I like the Old New Year more

              Earlier, when I "used", I liked both New Years! laughing
              Merry Christmas to you, Vova! drinks
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 6 January 2018 18: 03
                +1
                Quote: SRC P-15
                Merry Christmas to you, Vova!

                drinks Not Well, what scum. For the first time at Christmas I see rain.
                Fs Santas exchange their 300 dollar coats for a fur coat ala homeless Santa Claus.
                However, sanction. bully drinks
          2. the most important
            the most important 6 January 2018 18: 07
            +2
            Quote: Tusv
            you know that Letunov and air defense must be protected, like the apple of the eye of the Eye. Otherwise, the barmagloths will triumph. There is only one conclusion, for the RF Armed Forces there is no One New Year.

            As far as I remember my service, on NG there is always a reinforcement and Doubling of duty shifts ...
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 6 January 2018 18: 42
              +3
              Quote: the most important
              As far as I remember my service, on NG there is always the strengthening and doubling of duty shifts

              Doubling? We remove from the database. Technique OK then you can catch even tripling drinks
              To Americans who drag service against us - gip gi hooray! It’s especially hard for them. Instead of Santa Claus, Santa Claus has come lol , and we finally Poseidon wassat
    5. tol100v
      tol100v 6 January 2018 16: 37
      +6
      Quote: hrych
      process dust and mine tightly

      All SGA bases in Syria! This will probably be the best answer! When will we finally begin to give NORMAL answers? What would the earth burn under their feet ?!
    6. Herculesic
      Herculesic 6 January 2018 17: 28
      +2
      Alas, life does not teach anything, and then all of a sudden all at once become strong with a backward mind!
    7. Muvka
      Muvka 6 January 2018 18: 05
      +9
      Well enough evidence of a whole drying with BN 29?

      The video is still yesterday.
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 39
        +3
        Today she was seen on ORT in the morning news. Livelier than all the living.))) So be it !!!
      2. Captain Nemo
        Captain Nemo 6 January 2018 20: 35
        +1
        I would run a presenter wassat
        1. passerby5
          passerby5 13 January 2018 08: 40
          0
          ))) well, yes, not Zeynalov (well, which: "boy, go to jo ... u"))))
    8. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 6 January 2018 18: 44
      0
      Quote: hrych
      but also the approaches to it, from the distance of which militants could carry out mortar shelling

      process dust and mine tightly

      Yes, and in a month again:
      the command decided on some changes in defensive logistics.

      Guerrilla warfare is a dynamic war. Who sits, to "dig"
    9. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 7 January 2018 02: 17
      +5
      Quote: hrych
      but also the approaches to it, from the distance of which militants could carry out mortar shelling

      process dust and mine tightly

    10. lieutenant colonel
      lieutenant colonel 9 January 2018 18: 34
      0
      Duc ... there are residential areas ...
  2. svp67
    svp67 6 January 2018 16: 13
    +8
    This is all EXCELLENT, and the "organizational conclusions" are good when they are effective. And this shows time and practice. And I understand that standing in a line of aircraft easier to guard, but it may be time to make an embankment, for everyone.
    1. karish
      karish 6 January 2018 16: 15
      +9
      Quote: svp67
      This is all EXCELLENT, and the "organizational conclusions" are good when they are effective. And this shows time and practice. And I understand that standing in a line of aircraft easier to guard, but it may be time to make an embankment, for everyone.

      On January 2, the Syrian Minister of Defense was dismissed without explanation. : request
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 January 2018 16: 17
        +8
        Quote: karish
        On January 2, the Syrian Minister of Defense was dismissed without explanation. :

        It would be interesting to know, but with us who suffered the punishment.
        1. karish
          karish 6 January 2018 16: 19
          +7
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: karish
          On January 2, the Syrian Minister of Defense was dismissed without explanation. :

          It would be interesting to know, but with us who suffered the punishment.

          And until the 4th day no one knew about it at all.
          It seemed there was nothing, so there was no one to punish. request
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 6 January 2018 16: 32
            11
            atalef, welcome! hi drinks
            Quote: karish
            It seemed there was nothing, so there was no one to punish.

            Everything has its time - they will sort it out properly and punish anyone horrible. wink
            1. karish
              karish 6 January 2018 16: 37
              15
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              atalef, welcome!

              Atalef died, died in an unequal battle, was buried with honors.
              crying
              Merry Christmas !!!
              Congratulations to all Orthodox !!!
              drinks hi

              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Everything has its time - they will sort it out properly and punish anyone horrible.

              I have no doubt.
              Syrian defense minister fired-- 100% for a reason.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 6 January 2018 16: 39
                +5
                Quote: karish
                Atalef died, died in an unequal battle, was buried with honors.

                I know, remember and grieve ... crying
                Quote: karish
                Merry Christmas !!!
                Congratulations to all Orthodox !!!

                Sincerely thanks, Sasha! good drinks
                Quote: karish
                Syrian defense minister fired-- 100% for a reason

                That’s for sure, we don’t know the facts and are unlikely to be made public in the coming years.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 6 January 2018 16: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  Sincere thanks

                  Accept and from the Orthodox congratulations on the Bright Holiday of Christmas drinks
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 6 January 2018 17: 06
                    +4
                    Buddy and brother Hrych! hi soldier I greet and congratulate you and all who are close and dear to you !!! drinks drinks drinks
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                1. karish
                  karish 6 January 2018 16: 55
                  +7
                  Quote: hrych
                  Quote: karish
                  died in an unequal battle

                  With moderators?

                  no, damn it, with the 10th Windows belay
                  1. Muvka
                    Muvka 6 January 2018 18: 17
                    +2
                    Hello again, my morning colleague. Do you have enough of such proof of the whole drying with BN 29? Or will this not be enough for you too?
                    1. karish
                      karish 6 January 2018 18: 57
                      0
                      Quote: Muvka
                      Hello again, my morning colleague. Do you have enough of such proof of the whole drying with BN 29? Or will this not be enough for you too?

                      how strange it was the su with number 29, su -35 (for some reason) casually and the tranportnik got into the report.
                      And of course, nothing happened, and the planes did not suffer, and the Moscow Defense Ministry is silent as always.
                      1. Muvka
                        Muvka 6 January 2018 19: 12
                        10
                        That is why these aircraft specifically showed. Because it was about these aircraft that they were said to be destroyed or very badly damaged. Our MO works like that. Status 6 remember? You said in the morning that you would believe that nothing critical happened at the base if you were provided with a photo of the whole drying. You have been given a video. You are satisfied? Is that enough for you? Or, as I thought, will you look for reasons to abandon your words?
                      2. Mih1974
                        Mih1974 6 January 2018 23: 31
                        +2
                        Look carefully NOT at side 29, for it is specially shown, look behind it: all 24 "dryers" stand with open "caps" - they are all workers, otherwise they should fill them with rain (?), The tail keels are WHOLE for all aircraft good - this is not your elevator, you have to change it, it seems that 41 boards rolled for takeoff, but didn’t take off, it’s not worth a statue good , took off - either 30, or 35, and the last thing - find me a HOLE, at the edge of the airfield !!! request , and not that of them. Do not even try to fantasize - they have already poured fresh concrete, they now have nothing to pour like concrete if the planes really were screwed up.
                    2. corporal
                      corporal 6 January 2018 22: 57
                      +2
                      Quote: Muvka
                      Do you have enough of such proof of the whole drying with BN 29?

                      Number redraw - business hour.
                      Quote: karish
                      how strange it was the su with number 29, su -35 (for some reason) casually and the tranportnik got into the report.

                      This is all from the series "great army window dressing."
              3. vovanpain
                vovanpain 6 January 2018 17: 39
                +5
                Quote: karish
                Atalef died, died in an unequal battle, was buried with honors.

                But in the memory of peoples VO lives forever drinks hi Hello Be Friendly Alexander! hi
                Quote: karish
                Syrian defense minister fired-- 100% for a reason.

                Well, yes, it’s not zhzhzhzhzh not casual, Assad’s troops were responsible for the outer perimeter on the land of Khmeimim. yes
                Quote: karish
                Merry Christmas !!! Congratulations to all Orthodox !!!

                And you Alexander and all Merry Christmas. drinks hi
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno 6 January 2018 17: 42
                  +7
                  And most importantly, that our peoples understand each other. And they never fought. Wish it on Christmas.
                  1. Kent0001
                    Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 41
                    +3
                    Yes, no, everything will be fine, because we have much more of yours than ours of yours.))) MERRY CHRISTMAS !!!!
              4. Dym71
                Dym71 6 January 2018 19: 05
                +7
                Quote: karish
                Atalef died, died in an unequal battle, was buried with honors.

                But his work lives on! wassat
                anecdote to the topic:
                “padded jacket” looks at the comment “Atalef is dead, but his work lives on!”
                - it would be better if he lived!
                fellow
        2. sergo1914
          sergo1914 6 January 2018 16: 31
          0
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: karish
          On January 2, the Syrian Minister of Defense was dismissed without explanation. :

          It would be interesting to know, but with us who suffered the punishment.


          They would recall the army "organizational conclusions" of the Soviet era ... All those who were not shot would be dressed in kukans of immense size.
        3. the most important
          the most important 6 January 2018 18: 09
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          It would be interesting to know, but with us who suffered the punishment.

          Vasya Pupkin !!! He is always guilty of everything !!!
        4. Kent0001
          Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 40
          0
          ... they threw everything at Serdyukov ....
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 16: 25
        +7
        Quote: karish
        Syrian defense minister dismissed on January 2 without explanation

        However, the trend (c)
      3. Shahno
        Shahno 6 January 2018 16: 49
        +3
        And it seems to me with an explanation. How many planes had to be urgently hidden and restored in a week. Salute to Russian technicians. Good job.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 6 January 2018 17: 04
          +2
          Quote: Shahno
          How many planes had to be urgently hidden and restored in a week. Salute to Russian technicians. Good job.

          For that technique and hide to restore hi
        2. hrych
          hrych 6 January 2018 17: 05
          +7
          Quote: Shahno
          Salute to Russian technicians.

          Replaced stabilizer and leaky tank hatch laughing didn’t even earn a bottle wassat
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 6 January 2018 17: 10
            0
            Yes, that's right. 20 times replaced. And most importantly, fast. And our officers did not have time to shoot everything. You are not there on the formula to cook them. But the process did. And the number of damaged well, not one for sure.
          2. Shahno
            Shahno 6 January 2018 17: 17
            0
            And this is not fragmentary. So tell me how not fragments could cause damage to manpower?
            1. hrych
              hrych 6 January 2018 17: 29
              +1
              Quote: Shahno
              how could fragmentation damage the manpower?

              No reliable information. And I don’t want to spread gossip and speculation.
            2. Vanek
              Vanek 6 January 2018 17: 49
              +2
              Quote: Shahno
              how could fragmentation damage the manpower?


              And do not fragmentation ammunition (b / b, s / c, and what else is there) do not have fragments at break?

              Looks like Jewish.
              1. Shahno
                Shahno 6 January 2018 18: 05
                +1
                I could understand the type. Just trust me.
                1. Vanek
                  Vanek 6 January 2018 18: 06
                  +6
                  Quote: Shahno
                  Just trust me


                  AAAA ha ha ha ha?

                  What else to do?

                  To believe the Jews - do not respect yourself.
                  1. Shahno
                    Shahno 6 January 2018 18: 09
                    +1
                    Or do you need to offer
                    evidence
                    1. Vanek
                      Vanek 6 January 2018 18: 10
                      +3
                      Quote: Shahno
                      evidence


                      Proofаtel *
                    2. Vanek
                      Vanek 6 January 2018 18: 17
                      +6
                      A set of mortar rounds for 2B9 was developed by Bazalt. The mortar is designed to defeat and suppress enemy manpower, located openly and in trenches. therefore the main is a fragmentation shot ЗВ01 with a mine 0-832DU, which gives the radius of the actual defeat (a 50% probability of a fragment falling into the growth figure) 18 m. C-832С and С-832СМ mine mines with a lighting radius of 250-300 m are also used. For direct fire on armored targets was developed fragmentation-cumulative mine with armor penetration up to 150 mm.

                      And he does not naughty others. And whatever one may say, they are all fragmentation. "Light" is not considered.
          3. igor67
            igor67 6 January 2018 18: 17
            +2
            Quote: hrych
            Replaced stabilizer

            after replacing the stabilizer, as well as the stabilizer cables and the electric cable, it is necessary to level the machine. and what do you think the stabilizers are directly in the repair kits in warehouses
            1. hrych
              hrych 6 January 2018 18: 32
              +4
              Quote: igor67
              in your opinion, the stabilizers are directly in the repair kits in stock

              Syria supplied the Dryers, there for donation from the canceled one there is no problem finding on the spot. The sides fly almost every day, to drag from the homeland is also not a problem. To calibrate, I think, the task is not great, the apparatus is old, reliable, such machines are often put in order by transplantation. The power cable and the mechanism were not damaged, the ammunition hit the edge of a huge stabilizer, 2/3 of it was just whole in the photo, the ammunition went along the plane and turned, the impact vector corresponds to the load from air resistance. Very lucky, in a word.
            2. hrych
              hrych 6 January 2018 19: 17
              +3
              We also saw how he taxied on the strip, but we still did not see how he took off. I practically accept Giyur here at Christmas wassat and I’m pushing the version that the stabilizer was replaced, but they weren’t allowed before the flights, for leveling because we need bending machines from KB and high-weight technology drinks
              1. Kent0001
                Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 45
                +1
                Damn, I caught myself a couple of minutes ago in the same rumor, although I saw in the news board number 29 well, steering wheel.
              2. Spez
                Spez 6 January 2018 23: 35
                +1
                I'm not trying to catch someone on lies and fraud, just talking. what do I see. Haha, tell me, "drying" roll out to taxiing without a suspended ammunition? Only if it already after landing steers into the parking lot. The video is not clear with or on. If ours let the disu, then this is aerobatics, kmk! wink
          4. Spez
            Spez 6 January 2018 23: 15
            +1
            The keel sock was tinted, and then on the screen from RT at b / n29 he was very ragged, and then he cuts his eyes straight. But the board is not the one that was with the plumage plumage in the photo. The catch is somewhere in plain sight, but I don’t understand this focus ... Not the same numbers for shooting changed ...
  3. Nemesis
    Nemesis 6 January 2018 16: 14
    11
    There are no organizational conclusions, because the Russian command all the time treads on the same rake, which indicates its incompetence, or corruption and deliberate anti-Russian activity ... Either the bomber will be sent to the mission without fighter cover, with a fatal result, then helicopters with the same As a result, the base is guarded so nonchalantly that the enemy has the opportunity to fire at it even from a slingshot ...
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 6 January 2018 16: 20
      17
      Quote: Nemesis
      the command of the Russian Federation is constantly attacking the same rake, which indicates its incompetence or corruption and conscious anti-Russian activity ..... then the base’s security is so blithe that the enemy can even fire it with a slingshot ...


      And then why not continue? - then Aleppo, Deir-ez-Zor, Homs, etc. "corrupt anti-Russian command" (C) will help the Syrian army to take, then they will organize a boiler for ISIS * near Abu Kemal ...

      This war is actually called. And in war, sorry, only victories with peremogi are not enough.

      Or do you think the army was completely victorious 1941-45 without breakthroughs of the enemy sabotage groups, without the Allied players? ..
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 6 January 2018 16: 22
        +4
        The main setup of the Russian troops in Syria is parquet generals, many of whom consider themselves patriots of foreign countries ... I remember in 2008 the FSB of the Russian Federation already caught the hand of a colonel of the armed forces of the Russian Federation (Georgian nationality) for spying for Georgia ...
        1. allaykbar
          allaykbar 6 January 2018 16: 32
          10
          Nemiside campaign paid posts on the "corrupt command!" and "corrupt parquet generals"

          probably ukroinets. all these non-Poltivites blow off the site after 18 years. will remain the most disinterested
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 6 January 2018 16: 33
            +7
            And who pays those who ruin the Syrian troops of the Russian Federation did not think ?! And it should ...
            1. Thrall
              Thrall 6 January 2018 17: 24
              +4
              Quote: Nemesis
              And who pays those who ruin the Syrian troops of the Russian Federation did not think ?! And it should ...

              Hi, kakel. Has Putin already prayed?
              I will not distract. Write more.
              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 6 January 2018 17: 38
                +4
                Write to your Bandera people walking in Minsk under red and white flags and to your Lukashenko, who even banned the film from Crimea ...
        2. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 6 January 2018 16: 42
          16
          Quote: Nemesis
          The main setup of the Russian troops in Syria is parquet generals, many of whom consider themselves patriots of foreign countries ... I remember in 2008 the FSB of the Russian Federation already caught the hand of a colonel of the armed forces of the Russian Federation (Georgian nationality) for spying for Georgia ...

          I understand that you did not serve in the army. And war is for you a game on the computer.
          And further. To throw such grave accusations of treason, you need to have information. Which you do not have and cannot be. So all these empty words of yours can qualify as slander, i.e. distribution of knowingly false information discrediting the honor and dignity of another person or undermining his reputation. For which the current legislation provides for punishment in accordance with Art. 128.1 of the Criminal Code.
          And I'm not joking. It is one thing to express indignation, another to blame treason. Moreover, through the media, which is VO.
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 6 January 2018 17: 40
            +3
            I understand that you are an admirer of commanders (talents) such as Pavel Grachev ... I have a different opinion about them and in my opinion, such as Grachev, you need to do what Stalin did to Pavlov
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              1. sogdy
                sogdy 6 January 2018 19: 28
                +6
                Quote: Fury
                I have the honor ...

                When playing role-playing games, you should better study the character. “Honor I have” - a formal presentation of a junior senior in rank / post to non-commissioned officers. A noble officer would never use such a phrase.
                Urgent read as city honor for the virgin gave - "Conduit and Swabber," if I'm not mistaken.
                And, girl, having multiple accounts is dumb.
                1. Captain Nemo
                  Captain Nemo 6 January 2018 20: 39
                  +3
                  Someone Michman likes to say "I have the honor", writing without knowing what
              2. allaykbar
                allaykbar 6 January 2018 19: 44
                +4
                .I have the honor ...


                haha

                what kind of characters are there funny. The main thing is not vice versa
            2. q75agent
              q75agent 6 January 2018 20: 07
              +2
              so already January 6 wink from December 31st, it has already passed wink Delirium tremens has come laughing
          3. insular
            insular 9 January 2018 06: 22
            +1
            Quote: Reserve officer
            And I'm not joking. It is one thing to express indignation, another to blame treason. Moreover, through the media, which is VO.

            Any lawyer will send you to wag in a certain direction with such a roll ... Oh, I'm sorry and with all due respect to you.
            So things are not done. Hitting is void.
            Essentially:
            Quote: Stock Officer
            . To throw such grave accusations of treason, you need to have information. Which you do not have and cannot be. So all these empty words of yours can qualify as slander, i.e. the dissemination of knowingly false information discrediting the honor and dignity of another person or undermining his reputation. For which the current legislation provides for punishment in accordance with Art. 128.1 of the Criminal Code.

            Just for the sake of justice.
            In turn, this makes it clear that the attack on the Khmeimim airfield could not have been carried out without "outside" assistance provided to the militants.
            And before that, of course, no one could have expected this ...
            None of the talking brain caps had enough to fuse “partners” and militants?
            None of the talking brain caps had enough time to estimate that the location and the very history of Khmeimim suggests that this is an ideal place for guerrilla attacks.
            Not a single talking brain cap had just enough to think that it was not necessary to reconsider large transport hubs, these were strategic objects whose coordinates were known to all who needed it. A schoolboy will be able to superimpose a clumsy Google shot on known coordinates (yes, even in the cad, at least in Photoshop, thereby getting a reference to the terrain of new objects.
            And only when it struck, they squeezed out the fierce:
            There was information that, in connection with attacks by militants at the Khmeimim air base of the Russian air forces, the command decided on some changes in defensive logistics. In particular, the issues of protecting not only the immediate perimeter of a military facility, but also the approaches to it, from the distance of which the militants could carry out mortar shelling, were revised.
            It should be read like this: neither of which, nor who did. Because they could not predict before, they could not even predict after. The location of Khmeimim is how to hang up targets and turn on the lights, standing in a clearing surrounded by dense thickets and wondering where it will fly from.
            And yes! When they were deployed at Khmeimim, they were deployed abruptly on the most suitable site, but it was in no way suitable for permanent deployment or, moreover, for opposing partisans. So at least some article sew. The head of some people with large ranks in order to wear a cap ...

            About drones - this is generally Hochma. One must be on the heels of an oak tree so as not to predict such a threat and generally lag behind realities.
            Moreover, if artisanal drones are a real threat, then things are very bad.

            In short - this is all an attempt to make a good face in a bad game. We must honestly admit that the guard at the facility is useless, for many very objective reasons, but the useless and casualties among the soldiers are a mistake of command,
            1. insular
              insular 9 January 2018 06: 43
              +1
              And complement.
              Problems with shelling began exactly after the withdrawal of part of the troops. Which in my opinion is not a coincidence at all - so bravado and painting before elections. The withdrawal of troops before the final victory is a crime and betrayal, and at least sew an article. The withdrawal of troops in excess of the number necessary to ensure their own security is a crime against common sense and in general should be punished by quartering, wheeling, hanging, drying, resurrection and in the second round by the same punishment and more than once, for the entire commanding staff responsible for this absurdity because it is a betrayal and betrayal of the motherland, akin to a ceasefire during the offensive of the militants of "famous events."
              By the way, for “those” betrayals, none of those high-seated did not suffer punishment.
              And shelling our facilities is half the trouble, compared with the losses on the Syrian side in the coming period, just after the withdrawal ...
              Coincidence? Not a betrayal?
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 9 January 2018 07: 39
                +4
                Quote: insular
                The withdrawal of troops before the final victory ...

                Victory over whom, excuse my French? Over the Americans? Over the opposition?
                Moscow was not going to, at least officially, “win” neither the opposition, nor, moreover, the Americans.
                These are Assad's problems.
                Quote: insular
                The withdrawal of troops in excess of the number necessary to ensure their own security is a crime ...

                At the time of withdrawal, your “over” was completely unobvious.
                And in hindsight everyone is strong (c) a proverb.
                Quote: insular
                this is betrayal and treason to the motherland ...

                Ek you ... storming ...
                Quote: insular
                And shelling our facilities is half the trouble, compared with the losses on the Syrian side in the coming period, just after the withdrawal ...

                Offer to fight for the Syrians? Instead of the Syrians?
                What for?
                Endlessly fighting for them is a dead end. Once they will have to do it themselves. And the sooner the better. And for them, and for us.
                IMHO.
                1. insular
                  insular 9 January 2018 07: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Victory over whom, excuse my French? Over the Americans? Over the opposition?

                  Those. is it amertsam or the opposition worked on the base? wassat re-read yourself ..
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  At the time of withdrawal, your “over” was completely unobvious.
                  4 years, all attacks were repulsed by the forces of the air forces, but how they reduced the composition flew in ... Well, it’s not obvious wassat

                  For the rest, no comment.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 9 January 2018 08: 00
                    +4
                    Quote: insular
                    Those. is it amertsam or the opposition worked on the base?

                    And why not?
                    Quote: insular
                    4 years, all attacks were repulsed by the forces of the air forces, but how they reduced the composition flew in ... Well, it’s not obvious

                    Not obvious.
                    There is a very big game going on. Someone just now needed to "fly".
                    It would have been needed earlier - it would have arrived earlier.
                    10% protection of the airfield, and even such as Khmeinim, is impossible to provide.
                    Look at the map first ... and then you can build funny faces ... military negative
        3. tol100v
          tol100v 6 January 2018 16: 43
          +5
          Quote: Nemesis
          The main setup of the Russian troops in Syria is

          The main setup of Russia and the Russian troops is you - Nemesis! From whose hands are you eating !?
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 6 January 2018 17: 41
            +4
            Such as Grachev guzzle from the hands of the US Embassy and it’s time to punish them according to their desires, a tower
        4. Piramidon
          Piramidon 6 January 2018 17: 08
          +5
          Quote: Nemesis
          The main setup of the Russian troops in Syria is parquet generals, many of whom consider themselves patriots of foreign countries ... I remember in 2008 the FSB of the Russian Federation already caught the hand of a colonel of the armed forces of the Russian Federation (Georgian nationality) for spying for Georgia ...

          And what, this colonel commanded our troops in Syria? Sofa warriors, like you, consider war a computer toy, when there are 10 lives in stock, you can save and reckon with savegames.
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 6 January 2018 17: 41
            +2
            Sofa warriors, such as Grachev, have killed people in Chechnya and are ruining them in Syria
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 6 January 2018 18: 16
              +8
              Quote: Nemesis
              Sofa warriors, such as Grachev, have killed people in Chechnya and are ruining them in Syria

              Continuing your Svidomo trolling? You would still remember Blucher. Grachev has long been 2 meters below the surface of the earth. I repeat once again that a real war is not a computer strategy and cannot do without victims. But here you are trying with your howls to convince everyone that the Russian group in Syria is suffering terrible losses.
              1. Fury
                Fury 6 January 2018 18: 36
                +3
                Yes, war is not a computer strategy, but if a base is fired from (slingshots), then guarding it and guiding this guard is no good ... Recognize this and correct the situation, instead of insulting those who write the bitter truth ...
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 19: 09
                  +8
                  Quote: Fury
                  if the base is fired from (slingshots), then its protection and the management of this protection are worthless

                  They answered you already, there is a picture there. Take a look at the picture, then give the SHEAC to rush ...
                  Beacon:
                  Quote: svp67
                  There are TWO ROUTES and settlements nearby - full of .... This is not a wasteland, but a civilian airfield
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 6 January 2018 19: 43
                    +2
                    Here one not stupid person already wrote that settlements can be made closed cities, and local ones can be passed by passes, through the checkpoint ... This is a sensible idea, and since it does not come to the command in Syria, it means, as it was said in one Soviet film - They are ,, Not commanders '' ... but janitors with general epaulettes and pensions, wiping their pants out of place ....
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 20: 06
                      10
                      Quote: Nemesis
                      settlements can be made closed cities, and local pass through passes through the checkpoint

                      Whoa ... it's still not the territory of the Russian Federation, there is its own government (which in reality does not manage much, though) and laws.
                      Quote: Nemesis
                      This is a sensible thought.

                      This is enchanting nonsense, sorry my French ...
                      Quote: Nemesis
                      since she does not come to command in Syria ...

                      Are you a telepath? Can you ... telepath? wink
                      Quote: Nemesis
                      janitors with general epaulettes and pensions wiping their pants out of place

                      Whoa...
                      Or really with pensionsor pants out of placee ...
                      You have a mess in your mind, goddess ... you already decide first what you want to say, and after that write that thread.
                      And then you can get (scary to say) a mess belay
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 6 January 2018 20: 15
                        +3
                        If the Syrian government does not manage anything and does not take into account the needs of the Russian Federation, then why the Russian Federation is such a government ?! Our (friends) from the USA in such cases put on the posts of presidents more loyal to them people ... If your beloved GDP is not capable of this, then it itself is an obstacle for Russia in Syria ...
                2. sogdy
                  sogdy 6 January 2018 19: 36
                  +6
                  Quote: Fury
                  to insult those who write the bitter truth ...

                  The horses smelled ...
                  Nothing that EVERY officer can be appointed as an inquiry officer, investigator, member of the tribunal? I intentionally use a form that is understandable to Ukrainian women.
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 6 January 2018 19: 57
                    0
                    Rather, the enemies of the people smelled, which, like Grachev, used to ruin entire brigades and do not bear any personal responsibility for it ... The executioner misses such unfortunate commanders ... and a military tribunal ...
                    1. Piramidon
                      Piramidon 6 January 2018 21: 13
                      +3
                      Quote: Nemesis
                      who, like Grachev, are used to ruining entire brigades

                      Apart from Grachev, apparently, you don’t know anyone else, and here you are trumping the deceased. Which of the Russian generals present in Syria ditched the brigade there? Carry some nonsense. You are either from all-propagators, or from Svidomo trolls with an outdated training manual.
                    2. sogdy
                      sogdy 6 January 2018 21: 50
                      +3
                      Quote: Nemesis
                      used to ruin whole brigades

                      Girl, are you confusing nothing? There were no brigades in Chechnya. Only regular.
                3. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 7 January 2018 14: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: Fury
                  Yes, war is not a computer strategy, but if a base is fired from (slingshots), then guarding it and guiding this guard is no good ... Recognize this and correct the situation, instead of insulting those who write the bitter truth ...

                  The girl, before invading such a topic, would be interested in the security system and the location of this air base. There she is surrounded by hundreds of houses in which local residents live, and many of them do not sympathize with Assad or the Russian Federation, although they do not express this openly. Therefore, the outer guard ring is entrusted to the Syrians. which, in theory, should be better understood, "WHO IS WHO". There is a guerrilla war and in it the support of the local population has a very significant role. If you can’t learn basic things, then stay in the kitchen and fry meatballs to your husband. Every cook is a military iksperd. fool
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 9 January 2018 13: 29
                    0
                    The fact that those whom you defend took a bribe of $ 500 thousand from the militants and 6 companies of the Pskov assault perished through their fault will always be an indelible stain on Boriske Yeltsin and his courtiers, in uniform and without ... This concludes our conversations, because they are unpromising , because the truth is not interesting to people like you, and maybe you know it, but it’s for you with a sickle, in that place ...
      2. Kent0001
        Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 50
        +5
        No need to send by 1941. Times are not the same, and like (I really hope now) the army is not the same. But the generals with their dachas can be exactly THE MOST (this does not apply to those who fight and die there at the Front), but to strategists with stripes on their trousers from headquarters and all kinds of departments. In those circles there are a lot of “friends” and it doesn’t matter that they are incompetent in many issues, most importantly “friends”, in our country, almost everywhere, unfortunately.
    2. svp67
      svp67 6 January 2018 16: 21
      +9
      Quote: Nemesis
      There are no organizational conclusions, because the Russian command all the time treads on the same rake, which indicates its incompetence, or corruption and deliberate anti-Russian activity ... Either the bomber will be sent to the mission without fighter cover, with a fatal result, then helicopters with the same As a result, the base is guarded so nonchalantly that the enemy has the opportunity to fire at it even from a slingshot ...

      You yourself fought or at least served in the army? The war is very far from what can be seen on TVs and monitors.
      Moreover, I’m 100% sure that if they were “barmaleys,” they obviously have good reconnaissance and other military support, and only the “striped-strip” ones have such
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 6 January 2018 16: 28
        +7
        If the command sends one Mi-8 to the combat zone without covering the Mi-24 and does this several times, then the military tribunal already misses this command ...
        1. Volodin
          Volodin 6 January 2018 16: 34
          +7
          Quote: Nemesis
          If the command sends one Mi-8 to the combat zone without a Mi-24 cover

          I hope you do not think seriously that Mi-8 today is only a “box” with turntables, which you definitely need to cover up with something. Just in case - Mi-8AMTSH, which is used in Syria. Suddenly want to read about its features and capabilities. https://topwar.ru/78179-transportno-shturmovoy-ve
          rtolet-mi-8amtsh.html
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 6 January 2018 16: 36
            +3
            The Mi-8 is just a box, without armor, at a low speed ... In Chechnya, they flew shot through from the PKK like a sieve and only an enemy of the people like Pasha Grachev, nicknamed Mercedes could send them on a mission without cover ...
            1. Volodin
              Volodin 6 January 2018 17: 01
              +7
              Quote: Nemesis
              Mi-8 is exactly the box

              Well, if you have such a song here that Mi-8 and Mi-8AMTSH are considered “the same box”, then allow me to bow out ...
              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 6 January 2018 17: 42
                +2
                Mi-8 in Chechnya was called cows and that’s it ...
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 9 January 2018 10: 47
                  +1
                  "Cow" - Mi-26, aka "crane, lifting capacity of 50 tons.
              2. igor67
                igor67 6 January 2018 18: 32
                +1
                Well, there’s the difference in the hinged armor plate. We called the Mi6 cows, the bottom of this car turned into a sieve, 100% of it, like fuel tanks under the floor. In MI * or the AMTS version, you think the best reservation
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 6 January 2018 20: 13
                  +4
                  Quote: igor67
                  6, the bottom of this machine turned into a sieve, 100% lured, as did the fuel tanks under the floor.

                  "2. General information about the fuel system of the Mi-8T helicopter

                  The fuel system is designed to accommodate the required amount of fuel on board the helicopter and its uninterrupted supply to the engine regulator pumps at all modes and altitudes, as well as to supply fuel to the KO-50 kerosene heater.

                  Helicopter fuel is housed in a consumable and two main outboard tanks. A consumable tank is installed in the upper part of the fuselage behind the gear compartment, and the outboard fuel tanks are mounted using three or four steel bands on the outside at the sides of the fuselage. "
                  http://www.bestreferat.ru/referat-214035.html

                  Vashcheta, Mi-8 is designed taking into account the experience of the US airborne forces. Designed for emergency landing on any terrain. Well, besides the wires of the power transmission line-600 ...
                  1. igor67
                    igor67 6 January 2018 20: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: sogdy
                    Quote: igor67
                    6, the bottom of this machine turned into a sieve, 100% lured, as did the fuel tanks under the floor.

                    "2. General information about the fuel system of the Mi-8T helicopter

                    The fuel system is designed to accommodate the required amount of fuel on board the helicopter and its uninterrupted supply to the engine regulator pumps at all modes and altitudes, as well as to supply fuel to the KO-50 kerosene heater.

                    Helicopter fuel is housed in a consumable and two main outboard tanks. A consumable tank is installed in the upper part of the fuselage behind the gear compartment, and the outboard fuel tanks are mounted using three or four steel bands on the outside at the sides of the fuselage. "
                    http://www.bestreferat.ru/referat-214035.html

                    Vashcheta, Mi-8 is designed taking into account the experience of the US airborne forces. Designed for emergency landing on any terrain. Well, besides the wires of the power transmission line-600 ...

                    are you careful? I described the fuel tanks on mi6, which tanks and what are they made of and what I know very well in the inside tanks, I have dismantled them repeatedly over the years. and on mi6 ina mi24,
                    1. sogdy
                      sogdy 6 January 2018 21: 54
                      +2
                      Quote: igor67
                      , dismantled repeatedly over many years. and on mi6 ina mi24,

                      Mi-24 is developed on the basis of Mi-8. So what did you dismantle?
                      1. igor67
                        igor67 6 January 2018 22: 00
                        0
                        Quote: sogdy
                        Quote: igor67
                        , dismantled repeatedly over many years. and on mi6 ina mi24,

                        Mi-24 is developed on the basis of Mi-8. So what did you dismantle?

                        disassembled the operator’s cabin, pilot’s cabin, cargo compartment, can you tell me where the chip alarm is attached, or the TP1 sensor?
                  2. Captain Nemo
                    Captain Nemo 6 January 2018 20: 43
                    +1
                    Sorry, but there is no power line - 600 wassat
                    1. karish
                      karish 6 January 2018 20: 54
                      0
                      Quote: Captain Nemo
                      Sorry, but there is no power line - 600 wassat

                      Igoryanich is not an electrician.
                      He repaired helicopters in Kanatope.
                      And with us, he works in such a tasty place tongue

                    2. sogdy
                      sogdy 6 January 2018 22: 01
                      +1
                      Yes, yes, of course, of course.
                      Quote: Captain Nemo
                      Power line - 600 does not happen

                      Three of us pass by.
                      And Lebed was put on such a ... But you can remain with your opinion.
        2. svp67
          svp67 6 January 2018 16: 35
          +5
          Quote: Nemesis
          If the command sends one Mi-8 to the combat zone without covering the Mi-24 and does this several times, then the military tribunal already misses this command ...

          The modern Mi-8 is far from being a “whipping boy” and it can answer in such a way that it won’t even collect bones. But the situations are different and we are now to judge them, having the information "0,0" .... somehow it is not professional.
          Moreover, our aviation group there, quite small in number and for the "crocodiles" and their work, was enough and more than enough.
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 6 January 2018 17: 43
            +3
            You obviously didn’t fly to Mi-8 in Chechnya, and I don’t care about parquet opinions ...
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 6 January 2018 20: 45
              +5
              Quote: Nemesis
              You obviously didn’t fly to Mi-8 in Chechnya

              In Chechnya, no. But he hunted, the beast was shot back.
              Mi-8 is more developed for mountain-woodland than Mi-24/28/35, by the way, created on the basis of Mi-8.
              I can’t imagine using a crocodile in Chechnya.
              None of them has direct protection against air defense systems; everyone is protected from small arms (except Shilka).
              Why tantrum?
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 20: 50
                +5
                Quote: sogdy
                Why tantrum?

                (whisper to the side, covering his mouth with his palm): out of habit yes
                Read the opponent’s comments, you’ll understand.
                Quote: sogdy
                In Chechnya, no. But hunting, the beast was shooting back

                This is a predatory plus ... I can’t do anything else, sorry request
              2. Nemesis
                Nemesis 6 January 2018 20: 50
                0
                The boars that you shot from a helicopter didn’t shoot you back ... Try shooting the Mi-8 on the gunmen, you will understand the difference ... and very quickly ... If you can’t imagine the use of the Mi-24 in Chechnya, then don’t we must write about the combat use of helicopters, this is not a hunt for wild boar ...
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 6 January 2018 22: 45
                  +4
                  Quote: Nemesis
                  The boars that you shot from a helicopter didn’t shoot you back.

                  Girl, I didn’t hunt game, only two-legged. And not a kangaroo. By the way, they also needed to be interrogated.
                  Quote: Nemesis
                  If you can’t imagine the use of Mi-24 in Chechnya, then do not write about the combat use of helicopters

                  Yes, yes, of course, of course. How many seconds does a crocodile go through a mountain valley? At what distance from the slope? He can not hang. And with the air there is a little bit wrong ...
                  Girl, you write absolutely absurd things.
                  Do you have what there, self-propelled guns put fragmentation protection against helicopters? And it was necessary to throw ATGMs? Or is it "living force"?
                  Or a new example in a training manual? So it does not correspond to physics.
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 9 January 2018 13: 31
                    0
                    Well, to drive unarmed, or almost unarmed runaway convicts, this is not for you to fight with militants who have MANPADS and heavy machine guns ...
                    1. sogdy
                      sogdy 9 January 2018 15: 23
                      +1
                      Quote: Nemesis
                      Well drive unarmed, or almost unarmed runaway prisoners

                      You sho overeat to Hollywood?
                      Soviet helicopter hour 400 rubles. The lieutenant with all the markups - remote, travel, food, uniforms, coefficient - 165-280. And almost everything goes to room and board.
                      Who will drive the helicopter for 2-3 hours one way with the risk of loss? For the "beast", which answers more than adequately. Subversive group with multiple tasks. Only in the cinema are the Airborne Forces and the Ministry of Internal Affairs working on them. But really - green and black.
                      The USA is a very small country. Like the European ones. In the area of ​​responsibility they have all the work is designed for 10-15 minutes. So shta your templates do not fit.
                      So you made sure that the crocodile is designed for low-lying open terrain? And, at least, on artillery counteraction.
                      And what is the “goby”, it’s the “silver carp” - is it not a “cow” at all?
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 9 January 2018 16: 02
                        0
                        Mi-24s were successfully used in Chechnya, and the use of Mi-8 without cover always ended and will end in losses and defeats ... Mi-8 and Mi-26 were called cows in Chechnya ... There is no armor, there is no maneuverability, because there is no speed and burns from the first successful line from a machine gun
      2. Kent0001
        Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 53
        +1
        And we about it (star-striped) well, not a dream or a spirit ... did not even guess in the conditions of their direct opposition and support of terrorists. This is called analytics failure or worse ....
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 6 January 2018 16: 23
      +8
      A bomber without cover is strong. And the igil fighters are available, that without cover, well, nothing? what "Horses mixed in a bunch, people ..." in short.
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 6 January 2018 16: 29
        +5
        But if for the Su-24 shot down in Syria, those with everything in their head mixed up were demoted to rank and file and sent to serve as traffic controllers in Magadan, another would be science ...
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 6 January 2018 20: 49
          +3
          Quote: Nemesis
          demoted to privates and sent to serve as traffic controllers in Magadan

          A charter to read?
      2. svp67
        svp67 6 January 2018 16: 34
        +3
        Quote: Captive
        "Horses mixed in a bunch, people ..." in short.

        And the "dung" of all, on the very neck ... that would stink longer.
      3. Hey
        Hey 6 January 2018 18: 04
        +7
        I will support Nemesis. A few days before the tragedy, and more than once, the Turkish side announced that it would bring down planes if they violate Turkish airspace. To ignore this information is incompetence or betrayal.
        1. Kent0001
          Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 55
          +1
          It is a pity that plus only one is written out ...
        2. sogdy
          sogdy 6 January 2018 20: 52
          +2
          Quote: MUD
          A few days before the tragedy, and more than once, the Turkish side stated that it would bring down planes if they violate Turkish airspace

          Is this a 12-kilometer zone BEFORE the Turkish border? Okts.
  4. Looking Petrovich
    Looking Petrovich 6 January 2018 16: 16
    +6
    The main thing is that the Arabs decided to remove from guard. Better late than never. It was necessary to think the Arabs to entrust such an important issue.
    The area around the Khmeimim air base was cleaned up and expanded after the shelling. Now it will be protected by Russian, not Syrian military.
    1. karish
      karish 6 January 2018 16: 18
      19
      Quote: Looking Petrovich
      The area around the Khmeimim air base was cleaned up and expanded after the shelling. Now it will be protected by the Russian, not the Syrian, military.

      The Syrians did not particularly resist this.
      they generally love it when someone does something for them. yes
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 January 2018 16: 22
        +3
        Quote: karish
        The Syrians did not particularly resist this.
        they generally love it when someone does something for them.

        Fact...
      2. Fury
        Fury 6 January 2018 18: 38
        +3
        What the Arabs are, like the military, has long been understood ... One hijacking by Israeli intelligence, then new T-62 tanks, during prayer, says a lot ...
      3. Kent0001
        Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 56
        +1
        And there all the Arabs are. In Europe, the benefit is theirs, but it is necessary to fight for the Nafik country. I do not respect them.
    2. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 6 January 2018 16: 31
      +3
      Quote: Looking Petrovich
      ... The area around the Hmeimim air base was cleaned up and expanded after the shelling

      It would be nice to completely cut down the forest and the mineralized strip around. laughing
  5. saltickov.
    saltickov. 6 January 2018 16: 17
    +4
    Why not specifically declare the United States accomplices of terrorism, concern note of protest, why silence is everywhere.
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 58
      +2
      Chur you chur .... there are almost all the grandmothers and our "elite" .... here you have the answer to ALL questions.
    2. sogdy
      sogdy 6 January 2018 20: 54
      0
      And to read the press - religion does not order?
  6. Professor
    Professor 6 January 2018 16: 17
    +6
    In this regard, decisions may be made on counter drones activity, which has become most pronounced over Latakia in the past few weeks.

    That is, until now, enemy drones have not been disturbed? request
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 January 2018 16: 23
      +4
      Quote: Professor
      That is, until now, enemy drones have not been disturbed

      They interfered, just like that, just now they decided to expand the restricted area for flights of "aliens", any "aliens"
    2. poquello
      poquello 6 January 2018 16: 25
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      In this regard, decisions may be made on counter drones activity, which has become most pronounced over Latakia in the past few weeks.

      That is, until now, enemy drones have not been disturbed? request

      partner drones
    3. engineer74
      engineer74 6 January 2018 16: 26
      +2
      You got ahead of me, you were also very surprised to reach this place ... I doubt very much that our surveillance systems distinguish between attack and reconnaissance UAVs recourse
    4. corporal
      corporal 6 January 2018 16: 27
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      That is, until now, enemy drones have not been disturbed?

      They thought it was the press. wassat
    5. Tusv
      Tusv 6 January 2018 17: 12
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      That is, until now, enemy drones have not been disturbed?

      Only you could do such a dirty trick. I admire and take off my hat. hi And apparently forgotten to warn about the consequences?
    6. Kent0001
      Kent0001 6 January 2018 19: 59
      +2
      And what are considered enemy? Yours? It seems like in the official we are all allies there and are fighting terrorists ... and there the curve will take someone to where already.
  7. fa2998
    fa2998 6 January 2018 16: 23
    +6
    And again, no details about the mortar shelling, again the people will draw information on the Internet. And then they will smash the falsifiers. It is very reminiscent of studying the history of the Second World War - first we close the documents in the secret archives (and we will declassify 2 pieces of paper for 75 years), and criticize " false historians. "I understand that elections are coming soon, but top-secret weapons are mutually sharp. hi
    1. poquello
      poquello 6 January 2018 16: 35
      +3
      Quote: fa2998
      And again, no details about mortar shelling

      what details?
      mortar cornflower, about the tip here they all wrote
  8. HEATHER
    HEATHER 6 January 2018 16: 25
    +2
    What the hell?
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 6 January 2018 16: 28
      +3
      What is this all about? Already starting to change to Y-2 in Syria?
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  9. dvaposto
    dvaposto 6 January 2018 16: 26
    11
    As part of the mobile mortar group, they were able to approach the air base in Latakia at a distance of several kilometers. Experts believe that without the availability of accurate satellite maps and aerial photographs, the militants would not have such an opportunity.
    what nonsense? Already on simple maps you can’t navigate the terrain and get somewhere? soon we won’t be able to reach the bakery without a navigator. But how did the Germans get to Moscow - probably they interviewed their grandmothers along the way? what kind of experts are these?
    1. karish
      karish 6 January 2018 16: 32
      +3
      Quote: dvaposto
      what nonsense? Already on simple maps you can’t navigate the terrain and get somewhere?

      Yes, they could very well be local. All paths know.
      Further - and what forces are required to take tightly under control at least the territory at a distance of 5 km from the base?
      How much is there to the nearest settlement? And to the mountains?
      1. dvaposto
        dvaposto 6 January 2018 16: 49
        0
        Yes, not tightly, but simply observation posts. especially if there are elevations. they are clearly visible from them. because they take them in the first place. it is not necessary to guard the base from the territory of the base.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 6 January 2018 20: 59
          0
          Theorists, adnaka. There are "conditions of provision", coming from so many very different reasons (politics, adnaka).
  10. Prisoner
    Prisoner 6 January 2018 16: 28
    +4
    Surely you can calculate convenient positions for conducting shelling and think over options for counter-actions. And the mortar is not pulled out of the pocket in seconds and then hides back. Something the guys relaxed on New Year's. Explicitly relaxed.
    1. karish
      karish 6 January 2018 16: 33
      0
      Quote: Captive
      And the mortar is not pulled out of the pocket in seconds and then hides back.

      But what if it’s an ATGM?
    2. dvaposto
      dvaposto 6 January 2018 16: 34
      +1
      I agree. the radius of 4 km could be calculated in dangerous directions.
      There was an infa-assumption that the barmalei used Cornflower.
    3. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 16: 34
      +7
      Quote: Captive
      you can calculate convenient positions for firing

      Easy. Any settlement within the radius of the mortar. Their (points) there are in abundance yes
      Quote: Captive
      and consider options for counter-actions

      Easy. Demolish these settlements, for example.
      Or on each roof - on a double post, and on udits - patrols wink
      Quote: Captive
      And the mortar is not pulled out of pocket in seconds and then hides back

      See above about settlements.
      Quote: Captive
      Something guys relaxed on New Year's

      But this seems to be true ...
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  12. bald
    bald 6 January 2018 16: 35
    +3
    I saw a photo of how ammunition for aircraft is stored at the base. Sorry - well, it’s also impossible. Yes, any rubbish from a drone will destroy them at night. In bunkers it is necessary to bury, but in deep so that the 120 gauge ceiling calmly held.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 6 January 2018 21: 04
      +2
      Quote: bald
      I saw a photo of how ammunition for aircraft is stored at the base.

      Funny Have you already forgotten the course of the young fighter? The section on real information - it refers to the photo.
      1. bald
        bald 6 January 2018 22: 38
        0
        You also saw the photo - in the summer the article was serious - you could see the floor of the warehouse on it - it was laid beautifully, but under the open sky.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 6 January 2018 23: 00
          +3
          I even saw a photo of young Brezhnev. On the podium of the party congress. But not sure if he is still there.
  13. demo
    demo 6 January 2018 16: 36
    +6
    The drones were flying. Barmaleev gouged. Partners in x .. th did not put. And what were they waiting for?
    We are kind of strange. Are you naive?
    Organizational measures had to be carried out a year ago.
    20 km minefields.
    And not a single tree or barrow. All equalize and fall asleep.
  14. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 6 January 2018 16: 37
    +8
    Within a radius of 15-20 km from the base, there should be, among other things, a zone located only on special passes and with reinforced joint patrols from ours and the Syrians, and in the air on rotation there is at least one attack helicopter and Mi-8 pair with gbr under pairs at the base. So what, but the experience of the complete closure of large areas is abundant. Yes, and curfew would not hurt
    1. karish
      karish 6 January 2018 16: 42
      +5
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Within a radius of 15-20 km from the base, there should be, among other things, a zone with only special passes and reinforced joint patrols from ours and the Syrians

      special passes! good
      The Syrians will like this - do not feed them bread, give another checkpoint to collect tribute from the population.
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      , and in the air in rotation at least one attack helicopter and a pair of Mi-8 with gbr under the pairs at the base

      I wonder how long the motor resource will end?
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      So what, but the experience of complete closure is abundant. Yes, and curfew would not hurt

      the local people will like it laughing
      It’s interesting how long you can keep a curfew in a foreign country.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 23: 24
        +4
        Quote: karish
        the local people will like it laughing

        Ata ... Alexander, you are in laughing
        I personally am no longer surprised at anything request
  15. 452336
    452336 6 January 2018 16: 37
    +3
    One thing is clear, we’ll dump the dough in Syria for a long time. How would it come in handy in Russia.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 6 January 2018 21: 20
      +2
      Quote: 452336
      we will dump the dough in Syria for a long time

      You - apparently, yes.
      Actually, there is a war for control of the Suez Canal (Russian property) and the Persian Gulf.
      For fun, read about protecting the region from German, English, and American intervention in WWII. So many white emigrants and the Free Legion received full amnesties. Or your neoliberals are violently silent about this?
      1. Sam_gosling
        Sam_gosling 7 January 2018 11: 22
        0
        Since when has Suez ownership of Russia? Yes, and about the Strait of Hormuz, you got excited. Just like a neighbor on a high-rise building, who enclosed a mound of land belonging to the municipality under the parking lot.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 9 January 2018 11: 12
          +1
          Since the idea of ​​building a canal. Such rights are paid.
          In history, there is such a thing as the “Russian coast” (on this basis, it was Russia that someone Bussenar accused of the American slave trade - “The Extraordinary Adventures of the Blue Man”). So you still get acquainted - this is primarily the history of the army and engineering troops. And our relationship with the Scots.
          And the feeling that you are from the "come in large numbers."
  16. Doliva63
    Doliva63 6 January 2018 16: 43
    +7
    Until the cock pecks, as they say. And once upon a time, infantry soldiers were taught to evaluate the area in the first period of service. The costs of "manual control," however. Without a command from above - no initiative. The same harsh military police - what have they been doing there all this time? Ugh, damn it, reformers! negative
  17. Viktor.12.71
    Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 16: 48
    +2
    There is not a word about situations in Harast, the base of light armored vehicles. CAA base surrounded since January 3 with a garrison of over a hundred soldiers. There is not a word about the loss of previously occupied territories.
    1. q75agent
      q75agent 6 January 2018 17: 36
      +2
      A detachment of the Syrian army, surrounded by the city of Harast in the northeast of Damascus, surrendered to the militants. The video is published by the Telegram channel Directorate 4, which specializes in a review of terrorist activities.

      In the region, the Ahrar al-Sham groups (banned in Russia) and the Failak ar-Rahman group operate. They managed to turn the city and its environs into a well-fortified stronghold in Eastern Ghouta. The city also has a base of armored vehicles of the Syrian army, but it was cut off from land supplies and is under siege.

      Continuous attacks by militants over the past week have led to heavy casualties among government forces: 100 deaths are reported, including several generals and colonels. At the same time, the militants themselves claim 400 killed opponents.

      The Syrian command is preparing a large-scale operation to free the base. Meanwhile, the positions of the militants regularly bomb the Syrian Air Force with the support of the Russian Air Force.
      1. Viktor.12.71
        Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 17: 43
        +1
        Quote: q75agent
        including several generals and colonels.

        At least 4 generals were killed. The news is well covered by Ivan Sidorenko on his twitter. Plus the bombing of the Khmeimi airbase with homemade kamikaze drones last night.
        1. q75agent
          q75agent 6 January 2018 17: 48
          0
          I read the tape there and the video is
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 6 January 2018 17: 44
      +4
      So find the material and write about it. Who are you waiting for? Who is the insult?
      1. Viktor.12.71
        Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 17: 48
        0
        That's exactly what I did.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 6 January 2018 21: 29
          +2
          Quote: Terenin
          So find the material and write about it.

          Quote: Viktor.12.71
          That's exactly what I did.

          No, you did a bunch. But not convincingly.
          I can’t imagine where you are from, but we grow up among the “monuments” of intervention and Civil. That from which you “Ah!” Is natural for us.
  18. Strashila
    Strashila 6 January 2018 16: 54
    +1
    "In turn, this makes it clear that the attack on the Khmeimim airfield could not have been carried out without" outside "assistance to the militants." ... this is clear to the hedgehogs too ... that the coordinators are clearly not local. The very fact of the use of weapons not common in this conflict indicates a long preparation for the involvement of specialists from outside.
    1. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 17: 25
      +1
      Mortars are not a common weapon? Apparently the locals helped, without them the attack would not have taken place. If there would be exact coordinates, as experts write, there would be noble ironing equipment. Or did you really burn 7 planes?
      1. Strashila
        Strashila 6 January 2018 18: 03
        +1
        Mortars are a common weapon ... but not Cornflower, in fact they are not in Syria as such. on this all indicates that specialists familiar with this weapon were preparing. Again, make a reconnaissance of the terrain, a reference for the position ... calculate the data for the gunner ... coordination of the calculation ... and again the gunner, at least, should be a good specialist, so that immediately after pointing to the point he could point without delay and the calculation could shoot ... and go.
        1. Viktor.12.71
          Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 18: 49
          +1
          This can be attributed to the former military ATS who joined the opposition + local assistance (it is also worth taking into account the betrayal of the airbase's maintenance personnel from among the Arabs). If specialists worked, the planes went well. There is no evidence of the work of specialists.
        2. sogdy
          sogdy 6 January 2018 23: 02
          +1
          Quote: Strashila
          but not Cornflower, as such, in fact, they are not in Syria. on this all indicates that specialists familiar with this weapon were preparing.

          What, hint at the APU?
          1. Strashila
            Strashila 7 January 2018 06: 49
            +1
            Everything is possible, but NATovtsev cannot be ruled out, at one time Cornflower was produced in Hungary and feet can be stomped from there, given the supply of arms from Eastern Europe to Mujahideen of all stripes.
        3. insular
          insular 9 January 2018 05: 28
          0
          Quote: Strashila
          Again, make a reconnaissance of the terrain, a reference for the position ... calculate the data for the gunner ... coordination of the calculation ... and again the gunner, at least, should be a good specialist, so that immediately after pointing to the point he could point without delay and the calculation could shoot ... and go

          It’s Hmeimim that you need to further investigate and become attached to the terrain ?! wassat laughing
          You don’t even have to bother with triangulation. Everything is shot with pocket accuracy by GPS and checked against civilian maps.
          This is not a secret object for you in the wilderness. What are you speaking about?
          1. Strashila
            Strashila 9 January 2018 09: 03
            0
            Anyway, it takes legs in hands and to the point, in the flesh before putting the pushpin, how to park the car ... check the entrance to the point ... everything takes time.
  19. HEATHER
    HEATHER 6 January 2018 17: 05
    +5
    Excuses and excuses. War. New year. Problem to strengthen the base? I'm just in the dead. Specialists lost?
    1. Strashila
      Strashila 6 January 2018 18: 05
      +1
      The fact that they relaxed ... the fact that one of the Syrians decided to make money for New Year's gifts ... and this is clearly .... the same fact.
  20. anosoff
    anosoff 6 January 2018 17: 08
    +1
    I apologize! repeat And who can say, what are all the same our losses? hi
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 6 January 2018 20: 10
      +2
      Judging by this stupid grin your losses are not. We unfortunately have one.
  21. turbris
    turbris 6 January 2018 17: 13
    +8
    The provocation against our air base was partially successful, of course, the Syrian guards could not have done without betrayal, and the operation itself was far from being developed by the Ishilovites, but by instructors from the special forces of interested countries. Of course, you need to analyze what happened and draw the appropriate conclusions. But you pay attention to the information component, a sort of war correspondent Roman, whom no one knows, instantly appeared with statements about terrible losses and fabricated photos, then our liberals immediately cried out that the victory won in Syria means nothing in comparison with what happened. On our site they were immediately supported by Nemesis, fa2998, 452336 and this is not just criticism, because they all connect it with the elections - that means they are purposefully participating in the information war.
    1. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 17: 29
      +1
      Quote: turbris
      and instructors from special forces of interested countries.

      Then the video conflagration at the airdrome would have walked in YouTube, they say watch the world as the Russians are on fire. Do not look for witches where they are not. There, all parties love to video their successes. [media = https: //twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/
      949023648295374849]
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 6 January 2018 17: 46
      +3
      We have everything sho hosh can associate with the elections.
      I wonder why?
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 6 January 2018 20: 12
      +2
      With their brother in one team to fight a thankless task. Children of nature and the bazaar, plague them in the soul.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 6 January 2018 22: 14
        +3
        With their brother to fight, you have to move your brains, it is vital !!!
        Neither on the flanks, nor behind Schaub WAS them and trust them to trust, God forbid !!!
    4. tezey
      tezey 7 January 2018 00: 29
      +2
      I completely agree with your opinion that the operation to fire at the base was prepared in advance and far from being a barmaley. There is no doubt that the positions and coordinates of the shelling were determined and verified. I paid attention to the information component immediately as the information appeared in Kommersant on the night of January 4. The source of the information, military-diplomatic circles, immediately cast doubt. This is actually an attaché. It turns out that our attache in Syria contacted Kommersant and merged the information. Nonsense of course. It is also interesting that after the publication of information about the alleged destruction of 7 aircraft as a result of the shelling and despite the fact that it was already deep in the night, the Internet exploded with negative feedback. I immediately looked, and what they write about this in the West. Nothing. Interesting already. Such a missed opportunity for propaganda. I can’t believe it. Well and then the correspondent Roman with his photo. Is a correspondent wandering around the airbase and taking calmly photos of damaged planes. Well, excuse me, only a person who has never served in the army can believe it. So, I have no doubt about the planned nature of the information stuffing and the subsequent promotion of fictional information. It is necessary to react to similar already relevant authorities. This is not a PR. The director is behind it. This is an informational diversion. And saboteurs must be neutralized.
      1. 1959ain
        1959ain 7 January 2018 13: 04
        +1
        The name of the file "1933802 _ original.jpg" indicates that the file was posted in LiveJournal. The original by name can easily be found by searching the blog https://ntv.livejournal.com/470970.html. They added their watermark to the photo, photoshop slapped the date.

        UPD: in general, this is the assembly date of the adobexmp.dll DLL (aka AdobeXMPCore)
  22. groks
    groks 6 January 2018 17: 29
    +1
    1. Was it or wasn’t it? MORF is silent.
    2. At the beginning of the Syrian ... operation, repeatedly showed on the ruminant, a continuous flyby of the Mi-24 base at ultra-low. Then it all bothered, 31 helicopter pilots got drunk, ...?
    3. If drones (nobody knows whose) flock over the base in flocks, are terrorists with mortars needed at all?
    1. faiver
      faiver 6 January 2018 18: 06
      +2
      according to item 2 - did you really believe and think that crocodiles are constantly patrolling the perimeter of the base? Well, naivety itself ...
      it’s high time to understand any events of the military filmed by television is a window dress ...., right up to lunch in the soldier’s canteen ...
      1. groks
        groks 6 January 2018 20: 20
        +1
        Well, if there is no way to organize normal security and defense of the base, but you want to live ....
  23. Maz
    Maz 6 January 2018 17: 33
    +2
    Quote: Vard
    We have the property ... Brilliantly eliminate the consequences ... There is no way to think in advance ...

    Yah. We are fighting a coalition of the United States and NATO, and not with al-Qaeda. And it’s not fools who sit there, and are not armed with slingshots, and they also teach military art in academies, and they don’t take experience in creating filth and murder. But the hope of Aron, the warriors and the professor, which our colleagues tried to instill in us, about the damage to seven aircraft, has not yet been confirmed.
  24. Shahno
    Shahno 6 January 2018 17: 44
    +3
    Draw conclusions. Look for allies. Do not be Arabs.
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 6 January 2018 18: 35
      +3
      Quote: Shahno
      Draw conclusions. Look for allies. Do not be Arabs.


      So we have them ... Holy Trinity - Army, Navy and VKS repeat
  25. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 6 January 2018 17: 50
    +3
    Quote: Nemesis
    If the command sends one Mi-8 to the combat zone without covering the Mi-24 and does this several times, then the military tribunal already misses this command ...

    Do not smack nonsense, even in the days of Afghanistan, mounted armor was hung on the Mi-8. And if you think that the command has one and a half thousand crocodiles and the same number of eights ... you are mistaken - usually everything is at work and is not even enough.
    1. Fury
      Fury 6 January 2018 18: 48
      +3
      All the hinged armor that you are writing about is not big strips of armor near the cockpit ... To send transport vehicles without cover, this means incurring losses and in Syria it was once again clearly shown, but people like you still do not understand .. .Sadness, trouble...
  26. tank64rus
    tank64rus 6 January 2018 17: 53
    +1
    Fell all is not ours that flies. Maybe arrogance and fall.
  27. tank66
    tank66 6 January 2018 18: 11
    12
    Oh, I can’t resist it. I had a buzz for a couple of months in military guard. There were no drones there, thank the eggs. But there were enough sheep farmers and "lost" males with donkeys, especially at night. When they started to bother, and I hesitated the bosses with a night shooting they brought me a classy Soviet a gadget / they do not give me swearing, in short it’s very suitable /. I climbed in Yandex, I didn’t see anything like it, therefore I dare to show my sketch.
    the point is in that direction, the spirits were diving into the sand with pins stuck in a strip of about 6 meters / you’ll jump over horseradish / there are such insulators with locks, a step in a row - about 5 meters, then the cables were pulled one in isolation, the other without. The total length of the structure - up to 1 km. We needed less, because where the mines were standing, neither the browers climbed, nor we. From this strip a double cable stretched to the control unit, from that to the tank / in the sense of batteries /. In short everything is so green , military, reliable 1 switch and 3 bulbs / or vice versa 1 bulb /. The mode is simply a signaling device - it reacted to the approach of the body of the largest porcupine. Depending on the humidity of the air 5-10 m. Another mode - electric shock - the body fell and quickly crawled away. The 3rd mode is a muffler. I allowed the three to turn on the current when the mutton ended. This ruined me - the shepherds complained to the Khadovites — mine, in short, took the toy from us, brought some kind of seismic sensors. They installed civilians - they didn’t even hold it. The sensors even reacted to jerboas. I didn’t like it. But in Syria, perhaps, there are fewer animals / humor joke /. Well, you understand ... Happy holiday!
  28. den3080
    den3080 6 January 2018 18: 28
    +2
    Quote: bouncyhunter
    atalef, welcome! hi drinks
    Quote: karish
    It seemed there was nothing, so there was no one to punish.

    Everything has its time - they will sort it out properly and punish anyone horrible. wink

    “Let's figure out where we got pierced and what is your mistake”
    so said one immediate boss when I was a young specialist
    :))
  29. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 6 January 2018 18: 30
    +3
    Against this background, information appeared that in connection with attacks by militants at the Khmeimim airbase of the Russian air forces, the command decided on some changes in defensive logistics. In particular, the issues of protecting not only the immediate perimeter of a military facility, but also the approaches to it, were revised,

    C'mon, when was the first time they were fired at by mines, is the lesson for no reason?
    Came how to play, base defense? Nafig need! Covering the bombers, but why? And under the nose there are a lot of terrorists who are constantly attacking and they are sponsoring their half of the world. It is expected that there will simply be no walk.
    Such a command would be well under the tribunal.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 18: 31
      +5
      Quote: Incvizitor
      а when for the first time fired by mines, a lesson for future use?

      And when? And exactly what exactly are the mines?
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 6 January 2018 19: 49
        +1
        Here everyone writes that they fired from mortars, and the mortar shoots with mines and it’s only news for you ... You and your kind, as always, in your repertoire ... You have a pathological love for insulting opponents, and the funny thing is that , already, at least, with the second mortar bombardment of the base in Syria, they made a mockery of the leaders whom you so fervently support ... You need to cry and repent ... People with conscience after such failures resign ....
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 19: 55
          +5
          Quote: Nemesis
          Here everyone writes that they fired from mortars, and the mortar shoots with mines and only for you this is news

          Nah ... for me it's just not news.
          But you don’t know how to read, a campaign ... goddess:
          Quote: Incvizitor
          C'mon, when was the first time they were fired at by mines, is the lesson for no reason?

          I have not heard that until this time (about which "everyone writes") Khmeimim was fired upon from mortars.
          Maybe you heard about this?
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 6 January 2018 20: 04
            0
            You and your ilk have always had problems understanding and understanding the schools where the party you love is to blame ...
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 20: 13
              +6
              Quote: Nemesis
              Blah blah blah...

              Goddess, I did not understand from your words - was there a mortar shelling of Khmeimim until the night from 31.12.2017/01.01.2018/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, or wasn’t it? wink
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              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 6 January 2018 20: 57
                +2
                Not all in a row, but your party members who were put up in Syria as a cartoon character who has lost his tail ... Moreover, you have neither an understanding of what you have committed, nor remorse for your deeds, nor the desire to correct your mistakes
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 6 January 2018 23: 13
                  +3
                  Quote: Nemesis
                  Not all in a row, but your party members,

                  Adnaka, you came to reprove the wrong site.
                  ARMY OUTSIDE POLICY!
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      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 6 January 2018 22: 44
        +1
        Well, yes, there was a mobile hospital, which would not hurt then to cover it, and as a result it was covered with mines, but at least it was most likely not far from the war zone and here in the rear ...
  30. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 6 January 2018 18: 38
    0
    in which are concentrated several thousand terroristsrelated to al-Qaida (banned in the Russian Federation). It is noted that during the operation, which lasted several hours, three settlements were liberated from the militants. SAA entered Al Nasiriya, Luwaibida and East Luwaibida, destroying to hundreds of terrorists.

    Daaaaaa ..... This is for a long time.
  31. rudolff
    rudolff 6 January 2018 19: 01
    +7
    "Organizational conclusions after an attack by militants at the Khmeimim Air Force Base in Syria." Putin must make organizational conclusions for himself. Three times to step on the same rake, this is already a headache problem. How much can one have already grimaced at the camera about “fulfilling all assigned tasks”, “about defeating international terrorism” when the war is in full swing? Well, they have reduced part of the units of the MP, MTR, military police, and intelligence, and you’ll get the result. Earlier, for some reason, the militants did not have the opportunity to roll out mortars around the perimeter of the base, there were all skirmishes at the distant block posts, and now ... It's not us, it's the Syrians who are to blame! "It's not my fault, he himself came!"
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 6 January 2018 23: 37
      +1
      Quote: rudolff
      How much you can already grimaced at the camera about "fulfilling all assigned tasks", "about victory over international terrorism",

      But the gag does not need to be added. It was only a victory over the Ishilovites.
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 7 January 2018 10: 36
        +2
        Putin is not the only one broadcasting from the screen. One is more beautiful than the other.
        Moscow, December 23. State Duma deputies proposed the establishment of a new Day of Military Glory in honor of the victory that the Russian Air Force won over militants in Syria. The corresponding bill was submitted to parliament by deputies from the LDPR Vladimir Zhirinovsky and Alexander Sherin.
        If the document gets enough votes, a new holiday will appear in Russia - “Victory Day of the Russian Army in the fight against world terror in the Middle East”.
  32. onix757
    onix757 6 January 2018 19: 31
    +2
    I apologize in advance if someone doesn’t like my question, but still, what tasks does our group in the ATS in its current composition carry out and what goals does it pursue?
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 6 January 2018 22: 07
      0
      Quote: onix757
      I apologize in advance if someone doesn’t like my question, but still, what tasks does our group in the ATS in its current composition carry out and what goals does it pursue?


      It was stated that the part that will remain will be monitoring and monitoring the ceasefire between different groups and pro-government forces of the SAR, military support is also provided to the air forces, but not on the same scale as before + certainly help in collecting intelligence information .... .something like this)
  33. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 6 January 2018 19: 33
    +5
    In particular, the issues of protecting not only the immediate perimeter of a military facility, but also the approaches to it, from the distance of which the militants could carry out mortar shelling, were revised.

    Matyukov is not enough! BEFORE, BEFORE IT WASN’T POSSIBLE TO DO IT? Necessarily people had to be put in order to reach someone ?????
  34. karish
    karish 6 January 2018 20: 27
    +2
    Quote: Muvka
    That is why these aircraft specifically showed. Because it was about these aircraft that they were said to be destroyed or very badly damaged. Our MO works like that. Status 6 remember? You said in the morning that you would believe that nothing critical happened at the base if you were provided with a photo of the whole drying. You have been given a video. You are satisfied? Is that enough for you? Or, as I thought, will you look for reasons to abandon your words?

    That is why (now) I am absolutely sure that all these planes have suffered.
    MO knows the rules of hybrid war and the dissemination of information in social networks.
    If nothing had happened, the Moscow Region simply and openly declared that the planes had not suffered. Definitely ..
    But there was nothing of the kind, even more - the comment was so streamlined as if it were composed by lawyers, not military.
    But, in order to reassure the public, a report suddenly appears (and notice the MO, it seems like nothing to do with it) - where unexpectedly appear to be like damaged (but whole) aircraft.
    What do we have in the end - even if after a while the truth comes up (and it vyravno vyyvat) - it seems like MO nothing to reproach.
    We said, we are talking about 7 seven ACTUALLY DESTROYED airplanes .--- fake --- destroyed let's say 5.
    And the report that you saw — these are completely different planes — is not at all clear what you thought of yourself there.
    You said in the morning that you would believe that nothing critical at the base happened if you were provided with a photo of the whole drying

    I didn’t say this, I said that you can paint number 29 on anything.
    I said that the Defense Ministry did not say clearly that the planes were not damaged.
    Or, as I thought, will you look for reasons to abandon your words?

    Pliz a reference to my comment about the whole drying.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 6 January 2018 22: 15
      +3
      I was right in the morning. If they give you evidence, you will yell that this is all fake. Well, how are you, trolls, predictable ...
      Good luck in ignoring.
  35. Radikal
    Radikal 6 January 2018 20: 39
    +2
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Kent0001
    Kent0001

    Do you have enuresis? My condolences.
    And if they once served a thread, they should know that without an order something (God forbid) to “knock down” is fraught sideways.
    Apparently, there was no such order. Judging by the latest news - now it is.

    On May 28, 1987, they were also waiting for orders, while they were waiting - Rust sat on Red Square .... sad
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 20: 44
      +4
      Quote: Radikal
      May 28, 1987, too, were waiting for orders, while they were waiting - Rust sat on Red Square

      Yeah ... and then I (uniform on the shelf) ran and checked Lenkomnaty - "whether all shot a portrait of Sokolov," (censorship).
      It was not like that at all. If you do not know how (and why) it really was - you are welcome in PM, I will give links.
      If you just decided to troll - in vain, the topic ... is widely known ... in narrow circles.
  36. seacap
    seacap 6 January 2018 20: 46
    0
    We have, as always, until they give in the face, no one will think and move. Having received, wit and at least some kind of strategic thinking wakes up, didn’t it be clear that our partners stayed there for a reason and while they were there, everyone will go on ad infinitum. Since they are illegal there, it’s time to already establish a state air border with patrolling and blocking the country's airspace for a start, they will want to eat and leave. And with militants it’s easier, with weapons, not in the army, which means a bandit and must be destroyed, not asking for last names and affiliations.
  37. Radikal
    Radikal 6 January 2018 20: 47
    +1
    Quote: Captain Nemo
    In particular, the issues of protecting not only the immediate perimeter of a military facility, but also the approaches to it, from the distance of which the militants could carry out mortar shelling, were revised.

    Matyukov is not enough! BEFORE, BEFORE IT WASN’T POSSIBLE TO DO IT? Necessarily people had to be put in order to reach someone ?????

    But what are you - before the New Year, the world has already been informed of a big "gain" over the "barmaley"! Instead of really taking care of comprehensively ensuring the security of a military facility abroad, they replaced it with victorious reports, and ratification of the document on the establishment of military bases in Syria! sad
  38. Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 6 January 2018 20: 52
    +2
    http://nedaa-sy.com/en/news/3547 с англ. "Айман аль-Ассами, член делегации Сирийских революционных сил на конференции в Астане, получил копию документов сирийской разведки раскрывающий подоплёку совершённой атаки на базу Хмеймим. Аль-Асами сказал телеканалу «Аль-Арабия»: «Ко мне попал документ разведслужб о расследовании в районе Бустана-аль-Баши, сельской местности Латакии, где находятся проиранские группы " Имам аль-Муртад".
    According to a document quoted by Al-Asami, the pro-Iranian group responsible for the attack is considered a “friendly force”. Al-Asami suggested that Iran’s goal is to provoke Russian forces and block any possible political solution. Syrian intelligence is looking for those who attacked the base with missiles to destroy them. This indicates the location of these groups nearby, and not in areas where the rebels are located. "
    1. karish
      karish 6 January 2018 20: 57
      +3
      Quote: Oleg7700
      http://nedaa-sy.com/en/news/3547 с англ. "Айман аль-Ассами, член делегации Сирийских революционных сил на конференции в Астане, получил копию документов сирийской разведки раскрывающий подоплёку совершённой атаки на базу Хмеймим. Аль-Асами сказал телеканалу «Аль-Арабия»: «Ко мне попал документ разведслужб о расследовании в районе Бустана-аль-Баши, сельской местности Латакии, где находятся проиранские группы " Имам аль-Муртад".
      According to a document quoted by Al-Asami, the pro-Iranian group responsible for the attack is considered a “friendly force”. Al-Asami suggested that Iran’s goal is to provoke Russian forces and block any possible political solution. Syrian intelligence is looking for those who attacked the base with missiles to destroy them. This indicates the location of these groups nearby, and not in areas where the rebels are located. "

      Look how interesting.
      My comment from
      karish 1 4 January 2018 08: 32 | Media: Militants destroyed seven Russian aerospace forces during the shelling of the Khmeimim air base

      I would consider such an option.
      it has never been attacked during the entire existence of the base, although the first time that ISIS was located it was much closer and had much more opportunities.
      Why did this happen right now? What earlier did the broads regret the VKS and were waiting for the declaration of victory MOSCOW? Of course, but no
      My opinion -
      In light of the slippage, or rather the stalemate, both in negotiations and in general in Syria, Russia is promoting the initiative to gradually transfer power from Assad to moderate Sunni leaders (which is absolutely logical) - who does not suit this in the first place? Assad and Iran, who is involved in guarding the base in tactical depth?
      Assad and Iranian police.
      I think (if this really was the case) - this is a clear warning - either change your position or we will several times recall in whose hands the security of the bases and their fate are.

      Maybe that's why none of the broads has so far taken responsibility?
      1. corporal
        corporal 6 January 2018 23: 35
        +1
        An interesting movie is obtained. But the version is very logical.
        1. Sasha Crimean
          Sasha Crimean 7 January 2018 15: 52
          +1
          Quote: Corporal
          An interesting movie is obtained. But the version is very logical.

          Type - "Moor has done his job - Moor, dump home"
          Logically, in Arabic, and not the first time.
  39. Radikal
    Radikal 6 January 2018 20: 53
    +1
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Radikal
    May 28, 1987, too, were waiting for orders, while they were waiting - Rust sat on Red Square

    Yeah ... and then I (uniform on the shelf) ran and checked Lenkomnaty - "whether all shot a portrait of Sokolov," (censorship).
    It was not like that at all. If you do not know how (and why) it really was - you are welcome in PM, I will give links.
    If you just decided to troll - in vain, the topic ... is widely known ... in narrow circles.

    When you ran pom.dezh. I was not a student at the time either - I was a bespectacled man .... The truth is in another Office, so I own the situation on this issue! And without any "links"! bully sad
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 21: 46
      +5
      Quote: Radikal
      I own a situation on this issue! And without any "links"!

      Then do not write nonsense ... you are our full-time agitator, all in the labors and worries ... Hop? wink
  40. Machete
    Machete 6 January 2018 21: 16
    +1
    Just in vain on the slaves. They protect us.
  41. Radikal
    Radikal 6 January 2018 22: 12
    0
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Radikal
    I own a situation on this issue! And without any "links"!

    Then do not write nonsense ... you are our full-time agitator, all in the labors and worries ... Hop? wink

    As for the "nonsense", if anyone decides, then not for you .... lol tongue
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 23: 14
      +5
      Quote: Radikal
      About the "nonsense" if anyone decides, then not for you ...

      You? Flag in hand ...
      As I understand it, the rest did not raise questions:
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      you are our full-time agitator, all in labors and worries ...

      Well, okay yes
  42. q75agent
    q75agent 6 January 2018 22: 23
    0
    Quote: Inok10
    Quote: Going
    Try to become the President and we will help you, see what you can do.
    ... at 6 kilometers from the Base to “catch” a wandering mortar, it’s like to guess which Black Cat is in the Garden Ring in Moscow ... There are no miracles in the world

    and people like you, old-timers of couch troops wink you don’t have to send greetings to each other, and your colleague promised to see you on the sofa .... from the sofa in the window, to the polling station, you are hobbling for your beloved guarantor to vote or they’re already having an urn on the house laughing
  43. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 6 January 2018 22: 48
    0
    I wonder what the Bulgarians think about it. Well, at least those that are on our resource.
  44. egor1712
    egor1712 6 January 2018 22: 52
    -1
    To wet the barmalei from all calibres, from the air, from the ground and from under water.
  45. shura7782
    shura7782 6 January 2018 22: 55
    +3
    It is surprising that this is the first shelling, and not the first three hundred. Spirits in Bagram didn’t spoil us like that. Regular shelling was the norm.
  46. Simon
    Simon 6 January 2018 22: 58
    +1
    Quote: Vard
    We have the property ... Brilliantly eliminate the consequences ... There is no way to think in advance ...

    Until the thunder strikes, the man will not cross himself! request
  47. Simon
    Simon 6 January 2018 23: 01
    +1
    Quote: egor1712
    To wet the barmalei from all calibres, from the air, from the ground and from under water.

    And so urinate! But someone helps them very well. In my ear I’ll inform you that these are Americans. yes
  48. Piramidon
    Piramidon 6 January 2018 23: 28
    +3
    Quote: Nemesis
    If the Syrian government does not manage anything and does not take into account the needs of the Russian Federation, then why the Russian Federation is such a government ?!

    Some kind of pan-delusions. Since when has Russia appointed a government in Syria? Or did you hear enough of your American curators and propose appointing governments through color revolutions, civil wars and the collapse of countries?
  49. Tektor
    Tektor 6 January 2018 23: 31
    +1
    Against mines, it is desirable to have a ZAK Derivative with UAS and a means of determining the coordinates of a firing position with an associated automated means of its destruction on the basis of the Coalition-SV, for example.
  50. Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 6 January 2018 23: 33
    0
    Just now: armament attack. drones at Hmeimim. There is a battle ... here video https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/9497049
    00262363137
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 23: 49
      +4
      Quote: Oleg7700
      Just now: armament attack. drones at Hmeimim. There is a battle ...

      Night, dark, and blacks coal, ahem ... load (s) Anecdote.
      Dad, what was that? (c) Another joke.
      If you wish, of course, you can believe that this is Khmeimim and the attack Klovunov drones yes
      1. Oleg7700
        Oleg7700 7 January 2018 00: 13
        0
        Naturally, this is not a fact with a guarantee, well, so the media and networks are so arranged - I read it and went further. It will pop up, no, it means it didn’t. "War Informant" throws out:
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 7 January 2018 00: 17
          +5
          Thank. AND
          Quote: Oleg7700
          "Military informant"

          - who is this?
          1. Oleg7700
            Oleg7700 7 January 2018 00: 21
            +2
            Troll with might and main. https://twitter.com/badly_xeroxed/status/94973076
            8959541249
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 7 January 2018 00: 24
              +5
              Quote: Oleg7700
              Trolls with might and main ...

              ... and cheap enough, IMHO.
              Thanks for the link nonetheless yes
              1. Oleg7700
                Oleg7700 7 January 2018 01: 01
                +2
                Arabs are famous storytellers. Have a nice rest...