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In 2018, the United States Air Force will abandon the operation of the MQ-1 Predator

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The American publication Air Force Times reports that this year the United States will abandon the operation of multi-purpose drones MQ-1 Predator. By the summer of the 2018, all MQ-1 Predators will be replaced with more functional UAV variants - the MQ-9 Reaper. At the same time, the Reaper itself can hardly be called a “new” drone. Its operation in the US Air Force lasts for more than 10 years. This is despite the fact that the first flight of the MQ-9 Reaper made back in 2001 year.


Some characteristics of the "senior" American drone aviation MQ-1 Predator looks as follows: wing span more than 14,8 m, length - 8,23 ​​m, maximum take-off weight - 1,02 t, maximum speed - 217 km / h, engine power Rotax 914 UL - 105 hp ., practical ceiling - 8 thousand meters, flight range - up to 750 km, maximum long flight - 39 hours.

In 2018, the United States Air Force will abandon the operation of the MQ-1 Predator


Some of the characteristics of the General Atomics Aeronautical Systems MQ-9 Reaper are: wingspan - 20 m, length - 11 m, maximum take-off weight - 4,76 t, maximum speed - about 400 km / h, Honeywell TP331-10 engine power about 900 hp . Range - about 5 thousand. Km, practical ceiling - 14,4 km. It has six suspension points - including for AGM-114 Hellfire missiles.

From 2011, the USAF lost 4 to such UAVs, including 2016 in Syria. Then the MQ-9 Reaper was shot down by an aircraft of his own coalition.
UAV MQ-9 Reaper are in service with not only the United States, but also Britain, Turkey, Italy and France.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 6 January 2018 15: 13
    +5
    Heavy shock UAVs are not cheap pleasure, so it seems they decided to save a little ....
    Winner - MQ-9 Reaper



    Dembel - MQ-1 Predator

    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 6 January 2018 15: 17
      +4
      By the way, about drones: "This night, air defense forces from the Russian base of Khmeimim shot down unknown objects in the vicinity of the town of Jebl in the province of Latakia.
      This will be reported by journalists and activists on local sites and on social networks.
      “According to information from the place, a rocket was intercepted, according to other sources - a plane / drone,” writes the famous Syrian military commander with a pseudonym Ivan Sidorenko.
      Hundreds of residents of the area also reported loud explosions in the night sky, discussing the incident on local resources.

      According to preliminary data, two unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down.
      On the media resources of the city of Jebla, locals discuss explosions and are inclined to this version. This is written not only by civilians, but also by the fighters of the Syrian army.
      Samer Ahmad said that according to his data, two attack drone with bombs were destroyed. "

      Source: http://rusvesna.su/news/1514927900
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 6 January 2018 15: 48
        +5
        Sasha, hello and Merry Christmas! hi The “Predator” leaves, the “Reaper” remains in its place - it is very characteristic of the doves of the World. negative
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 6 January 2018 15: 54
          +4
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Sasha, hello and Merry Christmas!

          Hello Pasha! hi drinks And Merry Christmas to you! Yes, the pigeons are still those, especially their dovecote! yes
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 6 January 2018 15: 56
            +6
            Sanya, well, you understand who I meant, I can’t name them as I call them in ordinary life. Well, I can still call a lumberjack ... repeat
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 6 January 2018 16: 03
              +1
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Sanya, well, you understand who I meant, I can’t name them as I call them in ordinary life. Well, I can call another lumberjack ..

              Yes, without homo (not sapiens), somehow it doesn’t sound! laughing
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 6 January 2018 16: 05
                +3
                How do you not call IT - horseradish will not be sweeter than radish. wink
        2. tol100v
          tol100v 6 January 2018 16: 18
          +3
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          very characteristic of pigeons of the World.

          And as you know, this "dove", only knows how to spoil the whole world!
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 6 January 2018 16: 21
            +6
            My regards ! hi
            Quote: Tol100v
            this "dove", only knows how to spoil the whole world!

            As my compatriot Vadim Galygin said there: "Only pigeons know how to produce 200 kg of shit from 200 grams of food."
            1. svp67
              svp67 6 January 2018 16: 25
              +2
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              As my compatriot Vadim Galygin said there: "Only pigeons know how to produce 200 kg of shit from 200 grams of food"

              It remains to add that "and only Belarusians know how to get a bucket of bulbs using these 200 grams"
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 6 January 2018 16: 29
                +4
                Sergey, my respect and congratulations on Christmas! hi drinks
                Quote: svp67
                and only Belarusians know how to get a bucket of bulbs using these 200 grams

                I appreciate the humor and irony, we can add that the Belarusian nuclear scientists at every fission of the atom for some reason only get a bulb ... wink
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 6 January 2018 16: 40
                  +4
                  Pasha and all of my heartfelt congratulations on the upcoming Christmas! hi drinks
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 6 January 2018 16: 44
                    +3
                    Buddy Glory! hi Mutually and all the best to you and your loved ones from all mine! drinks And for mattress drones as well as mattresses themselves - more often sniff the earth. wink
                2. svp67
                  svp67 6 January 2018 16: 48
                  +2
                  hi
                  And I congratulate you PERSONALLY and all Belarusian sabers - HAPPY HOLIDAY
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  can add

                  That's what ALWAYS liked among Belarusians, is their OPTIMISM, WELCOME, READINESS to come to the aid, even a stranger and LOVE TO HIS LAND. Stay that way forever.
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 6 January 2018 16: 52
                    +4
                    Thank you for your kind and kind words, so as not to be unfounded - a song! drinks
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 6 January 2018 16: 58
                      +2
                      Quote: bouncyhunter
                      so as not to be unfounded - a song!

                      Well, well ... first, "Walk, so walk," and then "And I will lie down, lie down ..." laughing drinks
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 6 January 2018 17: 03
                        +4
                        So not without it wink but the partisans are not asleep! soldier
                3. Mih1974
                  Mih1974 7 January 2018 07: 54
                  +2
                  belay
                  You scare mnu, considering what an insane number of nuclei to share in the reactor, then - Belarus will immediately be buried under the "bulb" after turning on the nuclear power plant laughing
                  And you need to understand in the "exclusion zones" bulb obtained by half-life? laughing
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS 6 January 2018 20: 19
          +4
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          The “Predator” leaves, the “Reaper” remains in its place - it is very characteristic of the doves of the World.

          Hello Pasha. hi Merry Christmas to you!
          We have some shifts in terms in this matter. So the Altair UAV, which was supposed to enter service, instead of 5 tons, added another 2 tons of weight and weighs 7 tons ... the tests will begin this year.

          But there is such a statement, Borisov ..
          According to Borisov, there is already a heavy attack drone, and it was made not only by order of the Ministry of Defense, but also the FSB. Borisov did not specify the technical characteristics and even the name of the drone, however, many experts are inclined to believe that it is either a UAV designed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau of the Okhotnik family, or a joint project of Transas and the Sokol Design Bureau under the working title “ Altius-M. " The characteristics of these drones are also classified, it is only known that the Altius-M weighs about five tons, and the Hunter about 20 tons.


          “We are in the final stage of four ROCs (development work) - drones that solve their tasks on a tactical, operational and strategic level,” said Borisov. - The created drone is able to solve information problems in practice, and also act as a means of destruction.

          The deputy minister also noted that following the results of 2014, several works on the creation of UAVs were closed.

          Until Russian heavy drones are presented to the public, it remains only to speculate how much these machines can be compared with foreign counterparts from the USA and Israel.
          The State Central Bank admits that we certainly have a backlog in the production of such machines, but in five years we can, if not surpass, then catch up with America.
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 6 January 2018 20: 24
            +2
            Andryukha, my friend! hi drinks With all my heart, as they say!
            As for our UAVs, I still prefer to remain silent, you know why.
          2. Dr. David Livesey
            Dr. David Livesey 6 January 2018 22: 15
            +2
            Well, everyone congratulated each other, I join in the congratulations !!! And now on the topic of the post: here everyone understands that strike drones in the USA have actually been used in combat for decades ??? Their generations are already changing, the deck carrier from the aircraft carriers (of which we do not have a single one (aircraft carrier)) actually flies, how much can I shout yaaaaaaa? How can you not understand that we will not have such a few more years, they simply are not in the rearmament program until the age of 25. let's shout again: URAAAAAA !!!!
    2. tasha
      tasha 6 January 2018 15: 18
      +9
      What is the saving? Replace obsolete MQ-1 with heavier MQ-9?

      It’s not entirely clear the expression of the authors of the news: “At the same time, Ripper itself can hardly be called a“ new ”drone." ... Do we have something to brag about? I repeat:

      I recommend the book "Liquidator. Revelations of the operator of a combat drone" by Thomas Mark Mackerley.
      After reading it, you begin to understand that we are ten years behind the Americans and in the technique and tactics of using strike UAVs, by optimism .. sad
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 January 2018 15: 23
        +6
        Quote: tasha
        At the same time, it’s difficult to call the Ripper itself a “new” drone. "... Do we have something to brag about?

        Something I do not understand your logic. What does the already proven and serial drone have to do with it, which won against its counterpart and, with a question, “boast” about it. The article does not even talk about this, from the word "AT ALL"
        1. tasha
          tasha 6 January 2018 15: 30
          +7
          It’s hard to understand someone else’s logic, I agree. It seemed to me personally that the phrase in the news “At the same time, it’s difficult to call the Ripper itself a“ new “drone” sounds somewhat derogatory, especially since we do not have drone UAVs of this level and experience with their use.
          The closest analogy is that a neighbor moved to a good car, but we say with annoyance that he’s not new ... wink
          1. svp67
            svp67 6 January 2018 15: 31
            +1
            Quote: tasha
            moreover, we have no strike UAVs of such a level and experience of their use.

            And here it’s worth adding: “Alas”
            1. tasha
              tasha 6 January 2018 15: 34
              +3
              I agree. Alas ... And again a sad face sad
      2. Pirogov
        Pirogov 6 January 2018 15: 34
        +1
        Quote: tasha
        After reading it, you begin to understand that we are ten years behind the Americans and in the technique and tactics of using strike UAVs, by optimism ..

        Of course, we lag behind if we don’t have them. But I think soon will appear and no worse than the American.
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 7 January 2018 10: 49
          +1
          Quote: Pirogov

          Of course, we lag behind if we don’t have them. But I think soon will appear and no worse than the American.


          Then we will need to develop the concept of application on our own experience and our own cones. And this is another 10-15 years.
          So the backlog is and will be.
      3. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 6 January 2018 15: 54
        +5
        Quote: tasha
        We have something to brag about?

        In the Syrian operation involved about 70 UAV - light tactical vehicles "Orlan-10" and "Aileron-3" and heavy "Outposts."

        According to the head of the Russian defense ministry, Russian UAVs have been lifted into the air since the start of the 16 campaign thousands of times, and the total flight time was 96 thousand hours.

        In other words, 22 was raised once a day. Thus, they are there in bulk almost 11 years flew. And for one thing, as Sergei Kuzhugetovich said, "... Russian anti-aircraft gunners shot down in Syria"Xnumx drone"and for one already, and" 53 rocket salvo systems. ". What are you complaining about? hi
        For those interested in MQ-9:
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 6 January 2018 16: 44
          +3
          In truth, Christmas is today! Professor defends the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation and the MIC! Miracles have begun!
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 6 January 2018 16: 57
            +5
            Quote: sabakina
            In truth, Christmas is today! Professor defends the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation and the MIC! Miracles have begun!

            I am not a professor, but only an assistant professor. What, Vyacheslav, should spit and talk nasty things? fellow
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 6 January 2018 23: 20
              +7
              Alexander, as “detached and independent” - continue to write further your articles. I read with interest. And with the holiday (I do not know, by faith or not).
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 7 January 2018 00: 20
                +3
                Quote: Okolotochny
                Alexander, as “detached and independent” - continue to write further your articles. I read with interest. And with the holiday (I do not know, by faith or not).

                The article is ready. Already on moderation. I hope that the other day will publish. A holiday is always a holiday. The main thing that was a reason. good drinks
            2. Lex.
              Lex. 7 January 2018 15: 34
              +2
              I am not a professor, but only an assistant professor. What, Vyacheslav, should spit and talk nasty things?
              Well, do not be shy here laughing
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 7 January 2018 15: 48
                +1
                Quote: Lex.
                I am not a professor, but only an assistant professor. What, Vyacheslav, should spit and talk nasty things?
                Well, do not be shy here laughing

                I do not need other people's laurels. stop wassat
      4. tol100v
        tol100v 6 January 2018 16: 25
        +2
        Quote: tasha
        After reading it, you begin to understand that we are ten years behind the Americans and in the technique and tactics of using strike UAVs, by optimism.

        Do not read on an empty stomach ..... especially such authors, and do not watch Hollywood. Everything is ahead of everyone in the world! And even ISIS in Syria They exterminated, not tirelessly of their lying tongue! And so, we always fall behind, but !, for some reason ALWAYS give out gifts to everyone, which are colloquially called tricks! Ask the sleepwalkers, they know!
        1. tasha
          tasha 6 January 2018 16: 41
          +4
          I don’t quite understand what sleepwalkers you write about ..
          You cannot go far on slogans. Are you sure of the great usefulness of your comment? I will then re-read it again, maybe I will. Good?
      5. Kent0001
        Kent0001 6 January 2018 20: 11
        +5
        The movie has not been watched about UAV operators for a long time ... I understood a lot. We are really in the ... opera. There is one communication channel with noise immunity and the volume of transmitted information and its processing from the point of application (thousands of kilometers from the operators) which is worth it. And we have "Elbrus" 800 MHz with an insane cost, that's all the achievements. Thanks to import substitution, and even this would not have happened.
    3. Lexus
      Lexus 6 January 2018 15: 21
      +4
      Actually, the MQ-9 Reaper was working on the mistakes made during the implementation of the MQ-1 Predator program.
    4. kamski
      kamski 6 January 2018 17: 15
      +1
      but certainly several times cheaper than airplanes
    5. Kent0001
      Kent0001 6 January 2018 20: 06
      +4
      ..and even there is nothing near the level of the technology they write off. The new 4-D car for a steeper but take-off mass .. cool, the silicon valley is driving not only in civilian technologies ... Skolkovo AUUUUU ...
    6. Lex.
      Lex. 7 January 2018 15: 31
      +1
      Saves not save but cheaper than manned aircraft
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 7 January 2018 19: 35
        0
        Quote: Lex.
        Saves not save but cheaper than manned aircraft

        Piston aircraft are cheaper than jet ones. There is no reason for a jet UAV to be cheaper than a jet plane with equal parameters.
        1. Lex.
          Lex. 7 January 2018 21: 59
          +1
          There is no reason for a jet UAV to be cheaper than a jet plane with equal parameters.
          Well, F-22 is still pelotiruem
  2. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 6 January 2018 15: 17
    +1
    Companions will be presented (sold) to (in) Ukraine! wassat
    1. HAM
      HAM 6 January 2018 15: 23
      0
      There are no associates, there are only vassals for whom Mr. ... sorry for FREE. Moreover, such a technique ..
  3. HEATHER
    HEATHER 6 January 2018 15: 18
    +2
    Have they abandoned the “Predator” due to landing and shooting down of our air defense? RIPER is not a very good hitch. Although both cars are dangerous. We should have something like that.
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 January 2018 15: 25
      +2
      Quote: VERESK
      Although both cars are dangerous.

      Such would be useful to us, especially on December 31, 2017 over the Khmeimim air base. And if they had not saved from shelling, then they would have avenged immediately death
      1. corporal
        corporal 6 January 2018 15: 37
        +7
        Quote: svp67
        Such would be useful to us,

        Particularly delivers the "quickness" of our defense and military-industrial complex. The Yankees already consider the Predator as trash, and we all saw and can’t finish a similar UAV class. am
        1. svp67
          svp67 6 January 2018 15: 41
          +2
          Quote: Corporal
          . The Yankees already consider the Predator as trash, and we all saw and can’t finish a similar UAV class.

          But only in this. Modern Russia is far from the USSR, which could still compete with the States. We do not have those opportunities. Alas. But still, it IS NECESSARY TO WORK and in no case do not give up.
          1. viktorch
            viktorch 6 January 2018 15: 56
            11
            I am touched by calls TO WORK, but people do not work? it doesn’t depend on those who work, but on those who steers, they rule exclusively in a ditch, even earn money, as the country was in the housing department and it will remain there, only a hundred other elite yachts and palaces abroad will be owned by our efficient ones.

            The capitalist RF will never have modern drones, and indeed all other types of weapons, the Soviet reserve has not lasted, it will end, and modern weapons will end. raw material colony is not necessary
            1. svp67
              svp67 6 January 2018 16: 04
              0
              Quote: viktorch
              I am touched by calls TO WORK, but people do not work

              It works, I don’t deny it. I urge not to despair, with no luck and blows of fate, and not to give up.
              Quote: viktorch
              it doesn’t depend on those who work, but on those who steers, they rule exclusively in a ditch, even earn money, as the country was in the housing department and it will remain there, only a hundred other elite yachts and palaces abroad will be owned by our efficient ones.

              With calm down and stop wailing ...
              Quote: viktorch
              The capitalist RF will never have modern drones, and indeed all other types of weapons, the Soviet reserve has not lasted, it will end, and modern weapons will end. raw material colony is not necessary

              With such thoughts, you can either be in a monastery or in a loop ... alcoholic. But this is not the best solution. Our ancestors happened MUCH worse and they found the strength in themselves that you consider yourself worse?
              1. viktorch
                viktorch 6 January 2018 16: 20
                +8
                go to the person, right?

                pf, I consider myself normal, I’ll tell you a terrible secret, people have not changed much for forty thousand years, since they ate the Neanderthals,

                you mean you are imposing such a choice: or drown for the oligarchs in the style of "everything is fine with us, you just have to tolerate, it will become even better" until death, or drown in a bottle, in a loop, in religion, in drugs?

                typical slave psychology, even in your thoughts you cannot rebel against your masters and the injustice that they personify.

                in fact, true slaves crave not freedom, but power and their own slaves.
                try better, it’s just you who will be promoted and given a whip.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 6 January 2018 16: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: viktorch
                  typical slave psychology, even in your thoughts you cannot rebel against your masters and the injustice that they personify.

                  Oh, just this is not necessary ... All these cries that "we are not slaves ..." end exactly when these "not slaves" become HOST.
                  Quote: viktorch
                  try better, it’s just you who will be promoted and given a whip.

                  You have a clear MUCH MORE. You did NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING.
        2. KaPToC
          KaPToC 6 January 2018 18: 35
          +1
          Quote: Corporal
          The Yankees already consider the Predator as trash, and we all saw and can’t finish a similar UAV class.

          We can’t finish it because the military does not know what they need. The problem is not with manufacturers but with consumers.
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 7 January 2018 11: 04
            +2
            Quote: KaPToC
            Quote: Corporal
            The Yankees already consider the Predator as trash, and we all saw and can’t finish a similar UAV class.

            We can’t finish it because the military does not know what they need. The problem is not with manufacturers but with consumers.


            Here in this, oddly enough - I completely agree with you.
            Our simply do not understand the concept of using drones and, accordingly, the methodology and control algorithms.
            Under which subsequently the production technology of products in general and components in particular is developed.
        3. Kent0001
          Kent0001 6 January 2018 20: 14
          +2
          So, not all cottages have been built yet .... wait and everything will be ... but then .... maybe.
      2. HEATHER
        HEATHER 6 January 2018 15: 39
        +3
        Don’t push on the patient. It’s wildly sorry. How was this even possible? Sorry, I don’t understand. Where is the gain? What am I saying? They lost the guys. but I want to be a little closer. It's all bad.
      3. HEATHER
        HEATHER 6 January 2018 15: 42
        +3
        We would have come in handyEh, if only, yes ... I won’t get the guys back.
        1. svp67
          svp67 6 January 2018 16: 04
          +1
          Quote: VERESK
          Guys no longer return.

          Yes, and I am also not happy about this and condolences. But you have to save others
          1. HEATHER
            HEATHER 6 January 2018 16: 21
            +2
            And everything is abnormal. It’s a bit poor in politics. Yes, to hell with them. Not such people were crushed.
            1. svp67
              svp67 6 January 2018 16: 49
              0
              Quote: VERESK
              Not such crushed.

              AND WE WILL PRESS.
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 6 January 2018 15: 28
    +3
    For now, we can only envy, and wait another years, when will we build something like that ourselves! We already lag behind in this area from China! They have been testing at least three prototypes for five years, and cannot choose at least one for mass production! During this time, those prototypes are already hopelessly outdated, and the army never saw our strike drone! Now, as a mockery, other drones will go for testing, and again the tests will be delayed for years. As a result, we will lag behind forever.
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 January 2018 15: 35
      +1
      Quote: Herkulesich
      and wait another years

      I hope very much that this term will end this year ...
    2. tasha
      tasha 6 January 2018 15: 44
      +2
      That's exactly what to envy. And hope that the current military and defense industry leaders correctly prioritize and allocate resources.
  5. fa2998
    fa2998 6 January 2018 15: 29
    +5
    Yes, that's all sad. I’m talking about this. A holy place is never empty! So, our “partner” already has a new serial gadget to replace. The F-22s are no longer being produced, the MQ-1s are being taken out of service. The replacement is already known. I do not exclude the possibility that we will soon see an American new aircraft and a new next-generation UAV.
    I don’t know what our PAINFLESS ANALOGUES are, but this is only an answer to F 22, the UAV is generally dark. We are already decently behind, but we are all testing, improving, etc. We still need to live up to the series! hi
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 6 January 2018 15: 36
      +2
      I can not understand the logic in your words. F-22 closed due to high cost. F-35 in the outsole F-22 is not good. They have no better aircraft than the F-22. But as the replacement MQ-1 in your head indicates that the mattresses have something better than the F-22. I don’t understand at all.
      1. Viktor.12.71
        Viktor.12.71 6 January 2018 16: 17
        +7
        Quote: Muvka
        F-35 in the outsole F-22 is not good.

        In short, the concept of the 5th generation among the Americans is stealth, electronics and full integration with the fleet and ground forces, he does not need flight characteristics like the F-22 or SU-57, they refused them! And over maneuverability was originally laid down in the F-22. According to the electronic filling of the F-22, F-35mu is not suitable for soles.
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 6 January 2018 18: 44
          0
          So why then a plane? Stealth and "full integration with the fleet" is perfectly implemented on a balloon.
          Why did they screw the wings to the penguin ?!
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 18: 55
            +5
            Quote: Vlad.by
            Why did they screw the wings to the penguin ?!

            Cut, definitely laughing
            1. Korax71
              Korax71 6 January 2018 20: 45
              +5
              Are you kidding me? laughing but the pack didn’t cut the fa ??? the terms are shifted and shifted to the right. there’s even no talk about the series. the reality is that the penguin with wings flies, is sold and produced. and ours is unparalleled and the best in the world belay
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 6 January 2018 20: 46
                +4
                Quote: Korax71
                Are you kidding me?

                Exactly.

                Other ... uninteresting request
      2. fa2998
        fa2998 6 January 2018 16: 34
        +5
        I will answer more clearly! The USA ALREADY has 22 and 35, as well as 2 samples of new UAVs. I don’t touch on the performance characteristics. And we have only prototypes. There is less need for front speeches, but it’s serial aircraft and UAVs. And this is a problem.
        And that they themselves will show in the "bins" of the American aircraft builders, I assure you, they work. hi
    2. svp67
      svp67 6 January 2018 15: 44
      +1
      Quote: fa2998
      I really don’t know what our NON-APPLICATION PAK FA is, but this is only an answer to F 22

      "Only the answer" - YES Proud of them. No one, even China, can give such a thing, only so far Russia has been able to. It’s bad that there is no F-35 answer, but I hope that something will appear in this area soon too. The main thing is that "product 30" should be brought to mind ...
      1. fa2998
        fa2998 6 January 2018 16: 42
        0
        I don’t know how to compare new planes. They should (God forbid) meet in battle. But the same Chinese and Japanese have already reported on the adoption of the 5th generation aircraft. Moreover, they rolled out their dumplings. Of course, it is doubtful, especially for the Japanese. Even those aircraft manufacturers. lol hi
        1. svp67
          svp67 6 January 2018 16: 51
          0
          Quote: fa2998
          But the same Chinese and Japanese have already reported on the adoption of 5th generation aircraft.

          Only in words ... their "5th", at best, "4+"
          Quote: fa2998
          Of course in doubt, especially for the Japanese

          Given its size - there is no doubt whatsoever, this is not "5" ....
  6. 452336
    452336 6 January 2018 16: 19
    +8
    Chic UAVs are changing to more chic. What are they stupid!
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 January 2018 16: 30
      0
      Quote: 452336
      What are they stupid!

      They will understand this when it suddenly turns out that it was done in vain. Although, in this case they will go along the beaten track - they will blame Russia and its "hackers" for everything
  7. Vard
    Vard 6 January 2018 16: 24
    0
    A good weapon ... Against the Papuans with a gun ... Especially good against wedding and funeral processions ...
  8. 452336
    452336 6 January 2018 16: 54
    +4
    Quote: Vard
    A good weapon ... Against the Papuans with a gun ... Especially good against wedding and funeral processions ...


    Well do not tell. These buzzers killed a lot of Mujahideen leaders.
  9. svp67
    svp67 6 January 2018 17: 07
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    bouncyhunter,
    Duc, not without it ...
    Well then from us ... accept
  10. viktorch
    viktorch 6 January 2018 18: 08
    +7
    as an answer, the government of the Russian Federation changes the Mercedes of the executive class to the Maybach of the executive class, so we will win, you stay there and endure
  11. Old26
    Old26 6 January 2018 18: 16
    +5
    Quote: Vard
    A good weapon ... Against the Papuans with a gun ... Especially good against wedding and funeral processions ...

    What are we going to do something like that then? If it is exclusively Papuans ...
  12. Fury
    Fury 6 January 2018 18: 51
    +1
    Well, now we are waiting for the appearance of these drones in Ukraine, the deliveries of which will be organized through Canada, or Latvia ...
  13. zyzx
    zyzx 6 January 2018 18: 56
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    Again, nagging began, we have no such behind at least a million years. Well, tell me, what's the hurry here? Such shaitan buzzers are effective only against the Bormalei. They can’t overcome a single one with the air defense system. Smart, they will write backward about the cheapness and safety of the operator. There is this fact, BUT, you know why the Americans of the school and the hospital bomb, but we do not? Yes, because our specialists crawl on the ground and use laser pens to highlight the targets. As the famous movie hero said, Shurik is not our method. We do not risk civil, we risk specialists and pilots. And we are strong in that.
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 6 January 2018 19: 03
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    Where will the UAV find itself after the U.S. Air Force abandons the MQ-2018 Predator in 1? The question is not idle. They will find themselves in the Baltic States, Ukraine or Syria, of course, it makes no sense to guess, but I assume that they will not gather dust for a long time
  15. 452336
    452336 6 January 2018 19: 24
    +2
    Quote: viktorch
    as an answer, the government of the Russian Federation changes the Mercedes of the executive class to the Maybach of the executive class, so we will win, you stay there and endure

    In March, they threaten to transfer to Cortege.
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 6 January 2018 20: 18
      +1
      Yes, for the grandmothers allocated for his cut it is better to buy Maybakhs. One fix there Porsche helped.
  16. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 7 January 2018 00: 55
    +3
    The names of the drones are very peaceful)))
  17. Cheldon
    Cheldon 7 January 2018 01: 02
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    Well, what kind of nicknames do the Americans have: Traitor, Intruder, Thunderbolt, Tomket - well, that’s not comparable to ours Hyacinth, Cornflower, Pinocchio, Solntsepek is direct poetry laughing
  18. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 7 January 2018 09: 39
    +1
    Yeah. They write off weapons there, the analogues of which we are still developing. But when we finally take them into service, we can rightfully write in the advertising booklets "has no analogues in the world" (unless search in museums).
  19. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 7 January 2018 09: 44
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    "Some characteristics of the" senior citizen "of the American unmanned aerial vehicle MQ-1 Predator are as follows: ... maximum speed - 217 km / h, ... flight range - up to 750 km, maximum long flight - 39 h."
    Something from the point of view of arithmetic does not hit: even if the cruising speed is two times less than the maximum, in 39 hours this UAV will obviously not fly 750 km.
    1. viktor_ui
      viktor_ui 7 January 2018 11: 55
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      And is there a difference in fuel consumption at maximum engine speeds ... and when it is quietly working in a given square in monitoring mode ??? Or in parallel?
      1. UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 7 January 2018 13: 04
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        39 hours and 750 km ... Do you want to say that in maximum economy mode the speed of barrage is 20 km / h? And this pepelats does not fall down? Seriously?! Then - glory to the American designers!
        1. viktor_ui
          viktor_ui 7 January 2018 17: 56
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          I hint at the efficiency of the dvigla pepelats with some modes of its operation ... do you have doubts about their advancement in this (dviglo + glider + elemental base + related software) ??? The range of tasks to be solved, the payload based on the task, the tailwind in the ass of the pepelats, the operator is not a schumacher ... maybe the type of fuel with additives is used together with the software. The MQ-1 Predator is generally instructive in terms of the speed of developing the concept itself. I would often like to ... with getting a real flying product at the exit. Who aphthur and how much they created - read, very interesting. An interesting machine, there is something to learn from some defense managers who put forward five-year plans for sculpting such products with us. And if for garlic, then the real data and its capabilities are known to those who exploit it. We can only build on that information that is freely available, and which way it was lied to, to a greater or lesser extent ... we can only build guesses. fellow
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 7 January 2018 19: 39
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            Quote: viktor_ui
            An interesting machine, there is something to learn from some defense managers who put forward five-year plans for sculpting such products with us.

            Unmanned maize - what is interesting about it? The machine is primitive.
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              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 8 January 2018 16: 19
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                Quote: viktor_ui
                KaPToC - the machine is primitive ... well, you give a damn.

                That you "damn give" that it is so outstanding? Raptors in their performance characteristics are inferior to the planes of the Second World War.
                I do not mind, the machines are needed, it is necessary to develop, but damn it was possible to make them much better.
                1. viktor_ui
                  viktor_ui 9 January 2018 08: 19
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                  no comment ... especially comparing with the Second World War.
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 9 January 2018 19: 52
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                    Quote: viktor_ui
                    no comment ... especially comparing with the Second World War.

                    Sorry, not a raptor, but a traitor.
                    Ripers are certainly better, heh they are equal in terms of performance characteristics with planes of the Second World War, what an achievement laughing
        2. viktor_ui
          viktor_ui 7 January 2018 18: 09
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          UAZ 452 - do not divide the distance by speed. This will not give you real fuel consumption ... all the more taken MAX values. drinks
  20. andron-30
    andron-30 7 January 2018 19: 00
    +1
    whether they’re lying with no pilots, they’ll probably come up with some kind of disgusting thing to go about them