In 2018, the United States Air Force will abandon the operation of the MQ-1 Predator

The American edition of the Air Force Times reports that this year the United States will abandon the operation of multi-purpose drones MQ-1 Predator. By the summer of 2018, all MQ-1 Predators will be replaced with more functional UAV variants - the MQ-9 Reaper. At the same time, the Reaper itself can hardly be called a “new” drone. Its operation in the US Air Force has been going on for more than 10 years. This is despite the fact that the MQ-9 Reaper made its first flight back in 2001.

Some characteristics of the "senior" American drone aviation MQ-1 Predator looks as follows: wing span more than 14,8 m, length - 8,23 ​​m, maximum take-off weight - 1,02 t, maximum speed - 217 km / h, engine power Rotax 914 UL - 105 hp ., practical ceiling - 8 thousand meters, flight range - up to 750 km, maximum long flight - 39 hours.

Some of the characteristics of the General Atomics Aeronautical Systems MQ-9 Reaper are: wingspan - 20 m, length - 11 m, maximum take-off weight - 4,76 t, maximum speed - about 400 km / h, Honeywell TP331-10 engine power about 900 hp . Range - about 5 thousand. Km, practical ceiling - 14,4 km. It has six suspension points - including for AGM-114 Hellfire missiles.

From 2011, the USAF lost 4 to such UAVs, including 2016 in Syria. Then the MQ-9 Reaper was shot down by an aircraft of his own coalition.
UAV MQ-9 Reaper are in service with not only the United States, but also Britain, Turkey, Italy and France.

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[svp67]

Heavy shock UAVs are not cheap pleasure, so it seems they decided to save a little ....
Winner - MQ-9 Reaper



Dembel - MQ-1 Predator

[SRC P-15]

By the way, about drones: "This night, air defense forces from the Russian base of Khmeimim shot down unknown objects in the vicinity of the town of Jebl in the province of Latakia.
This will be reported by journalists and activists on local sites and on social networks.
“According to information from the place, a rocket was intercepted, according to other sources - a plane / drone,” writes the famous Syrian military commander with a pseudonym Ivan Sidorenko.
Hundreds of residents of the area also reported loud explosions in the night sky, discussing the incident on local resources.

According to preliminary data, two unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down.
On the media resources of the city of Jebla, locals discuss explosions and are inclined to this version. This is written not only by civilians, but also by the fighters of the Syrian army.
Samer Ahmad said that according to his data, two attack drone with bombs were destroyed. "

Source: http://rusvesna.su/news/1514927900

[bouncyhunter]

Sasha, hello and Merry Christmas! The “Predator” leaves, the “Reaper” remains in its place - it is very characteristic of the doves of the World.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Sasha, hello and Merry Christmas!

Hello Pasha! And Merry Christmas to you! Yes, the pigeons are still those, especially their dovecote!

[bouncyhunter]

Sanya, well, you understand who I meant, I can’t name them as I call them in ordinary life. Well, I can still call a lumberjack ...

[SRC P-15]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Sanya, well, you understand who I meant, I can’t name them as I call them in ordinary life. Well, I can call another lumberjack ..

Yes, without homo (not sapiens), somehow it doesn’t sound!

[bouncyhunter]

How do you not call IT - horseradish will not be sweeter than radish.

[tol100v]

Quote: bouncyhunter

very characteristic of pigeons of the World.

And as you know, this "dove", only knows how to spoil the whole world!

[bouncyhunter]

My regards !

Quote: Tol100v

this "dove", only knows how to spoil the whole world!

As my compatriot Vadim Galygin said there: "Only pigeons know how to produce 200 kg of shit from 200 grams of food."

[svp67]

Quote: bouncyhunter

As my compatriot Vadim Galygin said there: "Only pigeons know how to produce 200 kg of shit from 200 grams of food"

It remains to add that "and only Belarusians know how to get a bucket of bulbs using these 200 grams"

[bouncyhunter]

Sergey, my respect and congratulations on Christmas!

Quote: svp67

and only Belarusians know how to get a bucket of bulbs using these 200 grams

I appreciate the humor and irony, we can add that the Belarusian nuclear scientists at every fission of the atom for some reason only get a bulb ...

[sabakina]

Pasha and all of my heartfelt congratulations on the upcoming Christmas!

[bouncyhunter]

Buddy Glory! Mutually and all the best to you and your loved ones from all mine! And for mattress drones as well as mattresses themselves - more often sniff the earth.

[svp67]

And I congratulate you PERSONALLY and all Belarusian sabers - HAPPY HOLIDAY

Quote: bouncyhunter

can add

That's what ALWAYS liked among Belarusians, is their OPTIMISM, WELCOME, READINESS to come to the aid, even a stranger and LOVE TO HIS LAND. Stay that way forever.

[bouncyhunter]

Thank you for your kind and kind words, so as not to be unfounded - a song!

[svp67]

Quote: bouncyhunter

so as not to be unfounded - a song!

Well, well ... first, "Walk, so walk," and then "And I will lie down, lie down ..."

[bouncyhunter]

So not without it but the partisans are not asleep!

[Mih1974]

You scare mnu, considering what an insane number of nuclei to share in the reactor, then - Belarus will immediately be buried under the "bulb" after turning on the nuclear power plant
And you need to understand in the "exclusion zones" bulb obtained by half-life?

[NEXUS]

Quote: bouncyhunter

The “Predator” leaves, the “Reaper” remains in its place - it is very characteristic of the doves of the World.

Hello Pasha. Merry Christmas to you!
We have some shifts in terms in this matter. So the Altair UAV, which was supposed to enter service, instead of 5 tons, added another 2 tons of weight and weighs 7 tons ... the tests will begin this year.

But there is such a statement, Borisov ..

According to Borisov, there is already a heavy attack drone, and it was made not only by order of the Ministry of Defense, but also the FSB. Borisov did not specify the technical characteristics and even the name of the drone, however, many experts are inclined to believe that it is either a UAV designed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau of the Okhotnik family, or a joint project of Transas and the Sokol Design Bureau under the working title “ Altius-M. " The characteristics of these drones are also classified, it is only known that the Altius-M weighs about five tons, and the Hunter about 20 tons.


“We are in the final stage of four ROCs (development work) - drones that solve their tasks on a tactical, operational and strategic level,” said Borisov. - The created drone is able to solve information problems in practice, and also act as a means of destruction.

The deputy minister also noted that following the results of 2014, several works on the creation of UAVs were closed.

Until Russian heavy drones are presented to the public, it remains only to speculate how much these machines can be compared with foreign counterparts from the USA and Israel.
The State Central Bank admits that we certainly have a backlog in the production of such machines, but in five years we can, if not surpass, then catch up with America.

[bouncyhunter]

Andryukha, my friend! With all my heart, as they say!
As for our UAVs, I still prefer to remain silent, you know why.

[Dr. David Livesey]

Well, everyone congratulated each other, I join in the congratulations !!! And now on the topic of the post: here everyone understands that strike drones in the USA have actually been used in combat for decades ??? Their generations are already changing, the deck carrier from the aircraft carriers (of which we do not have a single one (aircraft carrier)) actually flies, how much can I shout yaaaaaaa? How can you not understand that we will not have such a few more years, they simply are not in the rearmament program until the age of 25. let's shout again: URAAAAAA !!!!

[tasha]

What is the saving? Replace obsolete MQ-1 with heavier MQ-9?

It’s not entirely clear the expression of the authors of the news: “At the same time, Ripper itself can hardly be called a“ new ”drone." ... Do we have something to brag about? I repeat:

I recommend the book "Liquidator. Revelations of the operator of a combat drone" by Thomas Mark Mackerley.
After reading it, you begin to understand that we are ten years behind the Americans and in the technique and tactics of using strike UAVs, by optimism ..

[svp67]

Quote: tasha

At the same time, it’s difficult to call the Ripper itself a “new” drone. "... Do we have something to brag about?

Something I do not understand your logic. What does the already proven and serial drone have to do with it, which won against its counterpart and, with a question, “boast” about it. The article does not even talk about this, from the word "AT ALL"

[tasha]

It’s hard to understand someone else’s logic, I agree. It seemed to me personally that the phrase in the news “At the same time, it’s difficult to call the Ripper itself a“ new “drone” sounds somewhat derogatory, especially since we do not have drone UAVs of this level and experience with their use.
The closest analogy is that a neighbor moved to a good car, but we say with annoyance that he’s not new ...

[svp67]

Quote: tasha

moreover, we have no strike UAVs of such a level and experience of their use.

And here it’s worth adding: “Alas”

[tasha]

I agree. Alas ... And again a sad face

[Pirogov]

Quote: tasha

After reading it, you begin to understand that we are ten years behind the Americans and in the technique and tactics of using strike UAVs, by optimism ..

Of course, we lag behind if we don’t have them. But I think soon will appear and no worse than the American.

[ZVO]

Quote: Pirogov

Of course, we lag behind if we don’t have them. But I think soon will appear and no worse than the American.

Then we will need to develop the concept of application on our own experience and our own cones. And this is another 10-15 years.
So the backlog is and will be.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: tasha

We have something to brag about?

In the Syrian operation involved about 70 UAV - light tactical vehicles "Orlan-10" and "Aileron-3" and heavy "Outposts."

According to the head of the Russian defense ministry, Russian UAVs have been lifted into the air since the start of the 16 campaign thousands of times, and the total flight time was 96 thousand hours.

In other words, 22 was raised once a day. Thus, they are there in bulk almost 11 years flew. And for one thing, as Sergei Kuzhugetovich said, "... Russian anti-aircraft gunners shot down in Syria"Xnumx drone"and for one already, and" 53 rocket salvo systems. ". What are you complaining about?
For those interested in MQ-9:

[sabakina]

In truth, Christmas is today! Professor defends the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation and the MIC! Miracles have begun!

[A. Privalov]

Quote: sabakina

In truth, Christmas is today! Professor defends the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation and the MIC! Miracles have begun!

I am not a professor, but only an assistant professor. What, Vyacheslav, should spit and talk nasty things?

[Okolotochny]

Alexander, as “detached and independent” - continue to write further your articles. I read with interest. And with the holiday (I do not know, by faith or not).

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Okolotochny

Alexander, as “detached and independent” - continue to write further your articles. I read with interest. And with the holiday (I do not know, by faith or not).

The article is ready. Already on moderation. I hope that the other day will publish. A holiday is always a holiday. The main thing that was a reason.

[Lex.]

I am not a professor, but only an assistant professor. What, Vyacheslav, should spit and talk nasty things?
Well, do not be shy here

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Lex.

I am not a professor, but only an assistant professor. What, Vyacheslav, should spit and talk nasty things?
Well, do not be shy here

I do not need other people's laurels.

[tol100v]

Quote: tasha

After reading it, you begin to understand that we are ten years behind the Americans and in the technique and tactics of using strike UAVs, by optimism.

Do not read on an empty stomach ..... especially such authors, and do not watch Hollywood. Everything is ahead of everyone in the world! And even ISIS in Syria They exterminated, not tirelessly of their lying tongue! And so, we always fall behind, but !, for some reason ALWAYS give out gifts to everyone, which are colloquially called tricks! Ask the sleepwalkers, they know!

[tasha]

I don’t quite understand what sleepwalkers you write about ..
You cannot go far on slogans. Are you sure of the great usefulness of your comment? I will then re-read it again, maybe I will. Good?

[Kent0001]

The movie has not been watched about UAV operators for a long time ... I understood a lot. We are really in the ... opera. There is one communication channel with noise immunity and the volume of transmitted information and its processing from the point of application (thousands of kilometers from the operators) which is worth it. And we have "Elbrus" 800 MHz with an insane cost, that's all the achievements. Thanks to import substitution, and even this would not have happened.

[Lexus]

Actually, the MQ-9 Reaper was working on the mistakes made during the implementation of the MQ-1 Predator program.

[kamski]

but certainly several times cheaper than airplanes

[Kent0001]

..and even there is nothing near the level of the technology they write off. The new 4-D car for a steeper but take-off mass .. cool, the silicon valley is driving not only in civilian technologies ... Skolkovo AUUUUU ...

[Lex.]

Saves not save but cheaper than manned aircraft

[KaPToC]

Quote: Lex.

Saves not save but cheaper than manned aircraft

Piston aircraft are cheaper than jet ones. There is no reason for a jet UAV to be cheaper than a jet plane with equal parameters.

[Lex.]

There is no reason for a jet UAV to be cheaper than a jet plane with equal parameters.
Well, F-22 is still pelotiruem

[astronom1973n]

Companions will be presented (sold) to (in) Ukraine!

[HAM]

There are no associates, there are only vassals for whom Mr. ... sorry for FREE. Moreover, such a technique ..

[HEATHER]

Have they abandoned the “Predator” due to landing and shooting down of our air defense? RIPER is not a very good hitch. Although both cars are dangerous. We should have something like that.

[svp67]

Quote: VERESK

Although both cars are dangerous.

Such would be useful to us, especially on December 31, 2017 over the Khmeimim air base. And if they had not saved from shelling, then they would have avenged immediately death

[corporal]

Quote: svp67

Such would be useful to us,

Particularly delivers the "quickness" of our defense and military-industrial complex. The Yankees already consider the Predator as trash, and we all saw and can’t finish a similar UAV class.

[svp67]

Quote: Corporal

. The Yankees already consider the Predator as trash, and we all saw and can’t finish a similar UAV class.

But only in this. Modern Russia is far from the USSR, which could still compete with the States. We do not have those opportunities. Alas. But still, it IS NECESSARY TO WORK and in no case do not give up.

[viktorch]

I am touched by calls TO WORK, but people do not work? it doesn’t depend on those who work, but on those who steers, they rule exclusively in a ditch, even earn money, as the country was in the housing department and it will remain there, only a hundred other elite yachts and palaces abroad will be owned by our efficient ones.

The capitalist RF will never have modern drones, and indeed all other types of weapons, the Soviet reserve has not lasted, it will end, and modern weapons will end. raw material colony is not necessary

[svp67]

Quote: viktorch

I am touched by calls TO WORK, but people do not work

It works, I don’t deny it. I urge not to despair, with no luck and blows of fate, and not to give up.

Quote: viktorch

it doesn’t depend on those who work, but on those who steers, they rule exclusively in a ditch, even earn money, as the country was in the housing department and it will remain there, only a hundred other elite yachts and palaces abroad will be owned by our efficient ones.

With calm down and stop wailing ...

Quote: viktorch

The capitalist RF will never have modern drones, and indeed all other types of weapons, the Soviet reserve has not lasted, it will end, and modern weapons will end. raw material colony is not necessary

With such thoughts, you can either be in a monastery or in a loop ... alcoholic. But this is not the best solution. Our ancestors happened MUCH worse and they found the strength in themselves that you consider yourself worse?

[viktorch]

go to the person, right?

pf, I consider myself normal, I’ll tell you a terrible secret, people have not changed much for forty thousand years, since they ate the Neanderthals,

you mean you are imposing such a choice: or drown for the oligarchs in the style of "everything is fine with us, you just have to tolerate, it will become even better" until death, or drown in a bottle, in a loop, in religion, in drugs?

typical slave psychology, even in your thoughts you cannot rebel against your masters and the injustice that they personify.

in fact, true slaves crave not freedom, but power and their own slaves.
try better, it’s just you who will be promoted and given a whip.

[svp67]

Quote: viktorch

typical slave psychology, even in your thoughts you cannot rebel against your masters and the injustice that they personify.

Oh, just this is not necessary ... All these cries that "we are not slaves ..." end exactly when these "not slaves" become HOST.

Quote: viktorch

try better, it’s just you who will be promoted and given a whip.

You have a clear MUCH MORE. You did NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING.

[KaPToC]

Quote: Corporal

The Yankees already consider the Predator as trash, and we all saw and can’t finish a similar UAV class.

We can’t finish it because the military does not know what they need. The problem is not with manufacturers but with consumers.

[ZVO]

Quote: KaPToC

Quote: Corporal

The Yankees already consider the Predator as trash, and we all saw and can’t finish a similar UAV class.

We can’t finish it because the military does not know what they need. The problem is not with manufacturers but with consumers.

Here in this, oddly enough - I completely agree with you.
Our simply do not understand the concept of using drones and, accordingly, the methodology and control algorithms.
Under which subsequently the production technology of products in general and components in particular is developed.

[Kent0001]

So, not all cottages have been built yet .... wait and everything will be ... but then .... maybe.

[HEATHER]

Don’t push on the patient. It’s wildly sorry. How was this even possible? Sorry, I don’t understand. Where is the gain? What am I saying? They lost the guys. but I want to be a little closer. It's all bad.

[HEATHER]

We would have come in handyEh, if only, yes ... I won’t get the guys back.

[svp67]

Quote: VERESK

Guys no longer return.

Yes, and I am also not happy about this and condolences. But you have to save others

[HEATHER]

And everything is abnormal. It’s a bit poor in politics. Yes, to hell with them. Not such people were crushed.

[svp67]

Quote: VERESK

Not such crushed.

AND WE WILL PRESS.

[Herculesic]

For now, we can only envy, and wait another years, when will we build something like that ourselves! We already lag behind in this area from China! They have been testing at least three prototypes for five years, and cannot choose at least one for mass production! During this time, those prototypes are already hopelessly outdated, and the army never saw our strike drone! Now, as a mockery, other drones will go for testing, and again the tests will be delayed for years. As a result, we will lag behind forever.

[svp67]

Quote: Herkulesich

and wait another years

I hope very much that this term will end this year ...

[tasha]

That's exactly what to envy. And hope that the current military and defense industry leaders correctly prioritize and allocate resources.

[fa2998]

Yes, that's all sad. I’m talking about this. A holy place is never empty! So, our “partner” already has a new serial gadget to replace. The F-22s are no longer being produced, the MQ-1s are being taken out of service. The replacement is already known. I do not exclude the possibility that we will soon see an American new aircraft and a new next-generation UAV.
I don’t know what our PAINFLESS ANALOGUES are, but this is only an answer to F 22, the UAV is generally dark. We are already decently behind, but we are all testing, improving, etc. We still need to live up to the series!

[Muvka]

I can not understand the logic in your words. F-22 closed due to high cost. F-35 in the outsole F-22 is not good. They have no better aircraft than the F-22. But as the replacement MQ-1 in your head indicates that the mattresses have something better than the F-22. I don’t understand at all.

[Viktor.12.71]

Quote: Muvka

F-35 in the outsole F-22 is not good.

In short, the concept of the 5th generation among the Americans is stealth, electronics and full integration with the fleet and ground forces, he does not need flight characteristics like the F-22 or SU-57, they refused them! And over maneuverability was originally laid down in the F-22. According to the electronic filling of the F-22, F-35mu is not suitable for soles.

[Vlad.by]

So why then a plane? Stealth and "full integration with the fleet" is perfectly implemented on a balloon.
Why did they screw the wings to the penguin ?!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vlad.by

Why did they screw the wings to the penguin ?!

Cut, definitely

[Korax71]

Are you kidding me? but the pack didn’t cut the fa ??? the terms are shifted and shifted to the right. there’s even no talk about the series. the reality is that the penguin with wings flies, is sold and produced. and ours is unparalleled and the best in the world

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Korax71

Are you kidding me?

Exactly.

Other ... uninteresting

[fa2998]

I will answer more clearly! The USA ALREADY has 22 and 35, as well as 2 samples of new UAVs. I don’t touch on the performance characteristics. And we have only prototypes. There is less need for front speeches, but it’s serial aircraft and UAVs. And this is a problem.
And that they themselves will show in the "bins" of the American aircraft builders, I assure you, they work.

[svp67]

Quote: fa2998

I really don’t know what our NON-APPLICATION PAK FA is, but this is only an answer to F 22

"Only the answer" - YES Proud of them. No one, even China, can give such a thing, only so far Russia has been able to. It’s bad that there is no F-35 answer, but I hope that something will appear in this area soon too. The main thing is that "product 30" should be brought to mind ...

[fa2998]

I don’t know how to compare new planes. They should (God forbid) meet in battle. But the same Chinese and Japanese have already reported on the adoption of the 5th generation aircraft. Moreover, they rolled out their dumplings. Of course, it is doubtful, especially for the Japanese. Even those aircraft manufacturers.

[svp67]

Quote: fa2998

But the same Chinese and Japanese have already reported on the adoption of 5th generation aircraft.

Only in words ... their "5th", at best, "4+"

Quote: fa2998

Of course in doubt, especially for the Japanese

Given its size - there is no doubt whatsoever, this is not "5" ....

[452336]

Chic UAVs are changing to more chic. What are they stupid!

[svp67]

Quote: 452336

What are they stupid!

They will understand this when it suddenly turns out that it was done in vain. Although, in this case they will go along the beaten track - they will blame Russia and its "hackers" for everything

[Vard]

A good weapon ... Against the Papuans with a gun ... Especially good against wedding and funeral processions ...

[452336]

Quote: Vard

A good weapon ... Against the Papuans with a gun ... Especially good against wedding and funeral processions ...

Well do not tell. These buzzers killed a lot of Mujahideen leaders.

[svp67]

bouncyhunter,

Duc, not without it ...

Well then from us ... accept

[viktorch]

as an answer, the government of the Russian Federation changes the Mercedes of the executive class to the Maybach of the executive class, so we will win, you stay there and endure

[Old26]

Quote: Vard

A good weapon ... Against the Papuans with a gun ... Especially good against wedding and funeral processions ...

What are we going to do something like that then? If it is exclusively Papuans ...

[Fury]

Well, now we are waiting for the appearance of these drones in Ukraine, the deliveries of which will be organized through Canada, or Latvia ...

[zyzx]

Again, nagging began, we have no such behind at least a million years. Well, tell me, what's the hurry here? Such shaitan buzzers are effective only against the Bormalei. They can’t overcome a single one with the air defense system. Smart, they will write backward about the cheapness and safety of the operator. There is this fact, BUT, you know why the Americans of the school and the hospital bomb, but we do not? Yes, because our specialists crawl on the ground and use laser pens to highlight the targets. As the famous movie hero said, Shurik is not our method. We do not risk civil, we risk specialists and pilots. And we are strong in that.

[APASUS]

Where will the UAV find itself after the U.S. Air Force abandons the MQ-2018 Predator in 1? The question is not idle. They will find themselves in the Baltic States, Ukraine or Syria, of course, it makes no sense to guess, but I assume that they will not gather dust for a long time

[452336]

Quote: viktorch

as an answer, the government of the Russian Federation changes the Mercedes of the executive class to the Maybach of the executive class, so we will win, you stay there and endure

In March, they threaten to transfer to Cortege.

[Kent0001]

Yes, for the grandmothers allocated for his cut it is better to buy Maybakhs. One fix there Porsche helped.

[Sands Careers General]

The names of the drones are very peaceful)))

[Cheldon]

Well, what kind of nicknames do the Americans have: Traitor, Intruder, Thunderbolt, Tomket - well, that’s not comparable to ours Hyacinth, Cornflower, Pinocchio, Solntsepek is direct poetry

[UAZ 452]

Yeah. They write off weapons there, the analogues of which we are still developing. But when we finally take them into service, we can rightfully write in the advertising booklets "has no analogues in the world" (unless search in museums).

[UAZ 452]

"Some characteristics of the" senior citizen "of the American unmanned aerial vehicle MQ-1 Predator are as follows: ... maximum speed - 217 km / h, ... flight range - up to 750 km, maximum long flight - 39 h."
Something from the point of view of arithmetic does not hit: even if the cruising speed is two times less than the maximum, in 39 hours this UAV will obviously not fly 750 km.

[viktor_ui]

And is there a difference in fuel consumption at maximum engine speeds ... and when it is quietly working in a given square in monitoring mode ??? Or in parallel?

[UAZ 452]

39 hours and 750 km ... Do you want to say that in maximum economy mode the speed of barrage is 20 km / h? And this pepelats does not fall down? Seriously?! Then - glory to the American designers!

[viktor_ui]

I hint at the efficiency of the dvigla pepelats with some modes of its operation ... do you have doubts about their advancement in this (dviglo + glider + elemental base + related software) ??? The range of tasks to be solved, the payload based on the task, the tailwind in the ass of the pepelats, the operator is not a schumacher ... maybe the type of fuel with additives is used together with the software. The MQ-1 Predator is generally instructive in terms of the speed of developing the concept itself. I would often like to ... with getting a real flying product at the exit. Who aphthur and how much they created - read, very interesting. An interesting machine, there is something to learn from some defense managers who put forward five-year plans for sculpting such products with us. And if for garlic, then the real data and its capabilities are known to those who exploit it. We can only build on that information that is freely available, and which way it was lied to, to a greater or lesser extent ... we can only build guesses.

[KaPToC]

Quote: viktor_ui

An interesting machine, there is something to learn from some defense managers who put forward five-year plans for sculpting such products with us.

Unmanned maize - what is interesting about it? The machine is primitive.

[KaPToC]

Quote: viktor_ui

KaPToC - the machine is primitive ... well, you give a damn.

That you "damn give" that it is so outstanding? Raptors in their performance characteristics are inferior to the planes of the Second World War.
I do not mind, the machines are needed, it is necessary to develop, but damn it was possible to make them much better.

[viktor_ui]

no comment ... especially comparing with the Second World War.

[KaPToC]

Quote: viktor_ui

no comment ... especially comparing with the Second World War.

Sorry, not a raptor, but a traitor.
Ripers are certainly better, heh they are equal in terms of performance characteristics with planes of the Second World War, what an achievement

[viktor_ui]

UAZ 452 - do not divide the distance by speed. This will not give you real fuel consumption ... all the more taken MAX values.

[andron-30]

whether they’re lying with no pilots, they’ll probably come up with some kind of disgusting thing to go about them