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Su-34 modernization will begin in 2018 year

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Modernization of the Su-34 bomber will start from 2018, Interfax reports, citing a source in the aviation industry.


Development work was carried out on the Su-34, including the adaptation to the new bomber aviation means of destruction. From 2018 it is planned to start directly modernizing aircraft
- writes the edition

Su-34 modernization will begin in 2018 year


The newspaper notes that the combat capabilities of the upgraded aircraft will be expanded compared with the basic version.

Earlier, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said that the modernization of the Su-34 front-line bomber will be carried out by the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant named after him. Chkalov.

We discussed with the management of the plant and the United Aircraft Building Corporation plans of work on the aircraft in the framework of the future state armament program for 2018-2025 years
- said Yu.Borisov when visiting the company.

Currently, the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant produces the Su-34 as standard. Every year, the Russian Aerospace Forces get armed with 16-18 front-line bombers.

Serial production of the Su-34 began in April 2005. In 2008, a five-year contract was signed for the supply of X-NUMX Su-32 aircraft to Russia. Later in 34, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation signed another contract for the purchase of 2012 machines of this type. Earlier it was reported that the entire Ministry of Defense plans to purchase about 92 front-line bombers Su-200, which are well established during the Syrian campaign.
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  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 5 January 2018 15: 30
    11
    So, the conclusions from the Syrian company have been made due! But, 200 boards are not enough for the country.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 5 January 2018 15: 33
      18
      Quote: Herkulesich
      So, the conclusions from the Syrian company have been made due! But, 200 boards are not enough for the country.

      200 aircraft SU-34 is normal, just right. And there you look and a new attack aircraft is bungled. And all other functions, easily overlaps the SU-30 and after, when launched into the MIG-35 series, since all this is MFI ...
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      2. hrych
        hrych 5 January 2018 17: 35
        +5
        Quote: NEXUS
        SU-34 is normal, just right

        So young, but already on modernization laughing That's what practice does good
      3. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 5 January 2018 19: 23
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        And all other functions, easily overlaps the SU-30 and after, when launched into the MIG-35 series, since all this is MFI ...

        But aren't Su-34 MFIs? as for me it’s a much better MFI than the ones mentioned above, and if it was brought to mind by making it easier due to composites, make stealth like the t-50, put the thrust vector and add internal volume under the tanks \ bk, sprinkle the radar on top to the full scope , then we get an airplane that will override the functions of most of the modern high-speed aircraft in the aerospace complex. Well, let it be not as fast as the t-50, but it will cover this drawback with better radars and long-range missiles. It may not be as maneuverable as the T-50 (even with all the changes), but due to the spherical radar and the weapons operator it will be able to launch missiles in close combat not only forward but also sideways and backward, and several targets at a time. But it will be possible to launch a truly MASS production, and thereby reduce the cost. And the issue of training will be simplified, there will be no need to do "training."
        1. gerkost2012
          gerkost2012 5 January 2018 21: 04
          0
          I dare to ask, but is the T-50 (Su-57) already in the series and somewhere, except for many years of testing, it showed itself with something, showed and revealed?
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 5 January 2018 15: 36
      12
      Why do we need more? This amount is more than enough for any local conflict, even taking into account possible losses. And other weapons will participate in the global war.
    3. svp67
      svp67 5 January 2018 15: 41
      13
      Quote: Herkulesich
      But, 200 boards for the country are few.

      To date, NORMAL. It’s just worth adding heavy UAVs to them and then everything will be NORMAL
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 5 January 2018 21: 12
        +2
        So it is so! hi
    4. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 5 January 2018 16: 54
      +1
      and that they decided to restore carpet bombing ... to launch armada of bombers at the enemy? Wait a century of precision weapons, and for global conflict there is WMD
      1. svp67
        svp67 5 January 2018 17: 27
        +3
        Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
        Wait a century of precision weapons, and for global conflict there is WMD

        Yes, yes ... That's just that there are different wars, and even "high-tech" Americans somehow did not shun the "carpet" in Iraq and Syria ....
    5. Piramidon
      Piramidon 5 January 2018 18: 06
      +1
      Quote: Herkulesich
      200 boards are not enough for the country.

      And how much does your calculator come out with? Already calculated the source of funding and the loading of plants? I wonder why you are still not the Minister of Defense or, at least not Herkulesych-Rogozin. .
  2. Magic archer
    Magic archer 5 January 2018 15: 30
    +2
    I understand that the EW plane will never enter the troops ... Although the need for such a huge.
    1. svp67
      svp67 5 January 2018 15: 44
      +5
      Quote: Magic Archer
      I understand that the EW plane will never enter the troops ... Although the need for such a huge.

      And why do you understand that. After all, the Su-24, sooner or later, but will come down, and the Su-34, in the version of electronic warfare is the best replacement, given its greater thrust-weight ratio and more suspension points
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 5 January 2018 18: 04
        +2
        The Su-24 PP was deprecated back in 90. And there was an article about replacing it in 2000, but it’s still there. Until now, I have not seen anywhere else that there will be an REB aircraft on the basis of Su-34
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 5 January 2018 18: 15
      +2
      Quote: Magic Archer
      I understand that the EW plane will never enter the troops ... Although the need for such a huge.

      And as I understand it, now a different concept. There will be no separate modifications of reconnaissance, bombers or electronic warfare, as it was before. All necessary equipment will be hung on the basic modification, depending on the task.
  3. HEATHER
    HEATHER 5 January 2018 15: 31
    +9
    Machine and so a masterpiece! Will be fantasticgood
    1. Vard
      Vard 5 January 2018 15: 34
      +4
      As part of naval aviation, as I understand it, I myself understood the killer of aircraft carriers ...
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 5 January 2018 15: 36
        +8
        Quote: Vard
        As part of naval aviation, as I understand it, I myself understood the killer of aircraft carriers ...

        Why, if there is a TU-22, under which the younger sister X-101 is already being made?
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          1. newcomer
            newcomer 5 January 2018 15: 44
            +2
            Greetings, Dmitry. so it’s like the 22nd is the sea.
            1. HEATHER
              HEATHER 5 January 2018 16: 26
              +2
              This is the 22nd. M2 and M3 work for any purpose. I don’t know how many M3 are in the fleet now, but the bulk are in the airborne forces. There would be more of them. hi Although M2 is already in deep history ...
              1. cobalt
                cobalt 5 January 2018 20: 23
                +2
                The fact of the matter is that all the Tu-22s were seized from the Navy and now the fleet has only su-24 left and only a few of them, so there is a need to strengthen the fleet’s aviation with such aircraft as su-34.
          2. Vard
            Vard 5 January 2018 15: 49
            +1
            I heard a bike that the Vietnamese hung a torpedo on the AN-2 ... and he crawled very slowly to the American ships ... and for those air defense they were not designed for such speeds ...
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        2. Vard
          Vard 5 January 2018 15: 45
          0
          Given the real radius of the work of carrier-based aviation ... somewhere around 500 km? ... you can do things with an attack aircraft ...
        3. svp67
          svp67 5 January 2018 15: 48
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          Why, if there is a TU-22, under which the younger sister X-101 is already being made?

          And on that one, while there is no refueling bar on the Tu-22, a lot of what the Duckling would have to do, and the work on the battlefield, to protect naval bases, support on coastal lines and amphibious landings, will fall exactly on him ... It would be nice to work out the deck version.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 5 January 2018 15: 51
            +4
            Quote: svp67
            And on that, while on the Tu-22 there is no refueling bar,

            So let's take a look at the TU-22M3M version.
            Quote: svp67
            much that he would have to do will take over the Duckling,

            Seriously? And the SU-30 is by no means capable of doing the same as the SU-34. Or the same MIG-35, which will be launched into the series, well, not at all multi-purpose ... why stretch the line of heavy IFIs that are similar in tasks and functions, you will not tell me?
            1. svp67
              svp67 5 January 2018 16: 02
              +3
              Quote: NEXUS
              So let's take a look at the TU-22M3M version.

              Until we withdraw from the Treaties - they WILL NOT
              Quote: NEXUS
              And the SU-30 is by no means capable of doing the same as the SU-34.

              No, he’s not capable, he’s probably lower, not even when a “universal” tool is better than “highly specialized” to solve a specific problem. And after modernization, I think the gap, there will be even more in the matter of work on the ground.
              Quote: NEXUS
              MIG-35, which will be released into the series, well, not at all multi-purpose ...

              That's just pumped up the size ... and equipment.
              Quote: NEXUS
              why stretch the line of heavy IFIs similar in tasks and functions

              Because the Su-34 is primarily a SHOCK aircraft.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 5 January 2018 16: 20
                +3
                Quote: svp67
                No, he’s not capable, he’s possibly lower, not when the "universal" tool is not better than "highly specialized",

                Yeah ... that is, you are an adherent of old strategies and tactics, as I understand it ... nothing, that this, as you put it, highly specialized machine is also multi-purpose? At the same time, working at much lower altitudes, the loss of such a machine is not a loss of, say, the same SU-25. You miss one moment, that for several years work has been ongoing on a new attack aircraft, which will take on the very “specialized” functions that the SU-30th lacks. And to stretch the line of multi-purpose heavy platforms to blue color is something that can come out sideways. I'm not saying what a buzz for techies such a variety is practically on the tasks of the same platforms. And God forbid, what happens, what shall we do? Again, the same rake as with history during the Second World War with armored vehicles to attack with all the passion?
                Quote: svp67
                That's just pumped up the size ... and equipment.

                So the same SU-30 and SU-34 were and continue to be imperfect. The weapons you know are being modernized, improved and brought to mind all her life.
                Quote: svp67
                Because the Su-34 is primarily a SHOCK aircraft.

                And the SU-30 isn’t directly shocking at all ... I’ll tell you a secret - all fighters, fighter-bombers, bombers and attack aircraft are IMPACT platforms, only they all have different means and methods of delivering strikes.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 5 January 2018 16: 26
                  0
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Yeah ... that is, you are an adherent of old strategies and tactics, as I understand it ..

                  I am a supporter that everything should be in moderation. No wonder that “Ducklings” are only two hundred,
                  and the Su-30 is already about a thousand.
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  I'm not saying what kind of buzz for techies such a variety is practically on the tasks of the same platforms

                  And how do you imagine this? What is one technician for all types of aircraft? So no. Not only that, even the same aircraft by name, but sharpened under different names will have many differences.
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  And God forbid, what happens, what shall we do?

                  In this case, EVERYONE will do his work.
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  And the SU-30 isn’t directly shocked at all ..

                  On ground and surface targets, to a lesser extent than the Su-34. At "Duckling" even the pilots are better located for this. Yes, and they have more comfort
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 5 January 2018 18: 54
                    +1
                    and the Su-30 is already about a thousand.

                    M ... What are you talking about now? where are a thousand? In India and China combined? In Russia, there are now less than two hundred.
            2. NN52
              NN52 5 January 2018 16: 10
              10
              NEXUS

              34 all the same as if there were more bomber ... 30 SM and 35 as if more fighter (this is so, exaggerated) ..
              Pilots at cm and 35 few or almost few throw bombs .... Now, for admission to grade 1, only ADMISSION is enough for bombing.
              And 34 almost exclusively for this and imprisoned .. And in the sandbox showed himself perfectly ...
              And our aviation, as I understand it, follows the path of several heavy IFIs all the same ...
              Su 34 did not fly there unaccompanied, or see cm or 35, do not know why?
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 5 January 2018 16: 23
                +2
                Quote: NN52
                Su 34 did not fly there unaccompanied, or see cm or 35, do not know why?

                I said, because all these heavy platforms are multi-purpose. They want to bomb, they like to flick with adversary fighters ...
                Quote: NN52
                And 34 almost exclusively for this and imprisoned .. And in the sandbox showed himself perfectly ...

                And the SU-25 was apparently smoking on the skipper ... that is, do you propose replacing the entire SU-25 fleet with the SU-34? Sorry, the economic anus will not crack from such Wishlist?
                1. svp67
                  svp67 5 January 2018 16: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  And the SU-25 was apparently smoking on the skipper ... that is, do you propose replacing the entire SU-25 fleet with the SU-34?

                  Do you understand the difference between a "hammer" and a "sledgehammer"? For each instrument, YOUR OWN task ... Can you hang a Brahmos under the Rook? I think that you will not succeed.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 5 January 2018 17: 26
                    +2
                    Quote: svp67
                    Do you understand the difference between a "hammer" and a "sledgehammer"? For each instrument, YOUR OWN task ... Can you hang a Brahmos under the Rook? I think that you will not succeed.

                    Do you understand the difference in tasks and opportunities? Bramos under the SU-30 is very good, this is one task, to destroy the adversary at a distance. And there is a bomb drop, which the SU-25 copes well with. Su-34 is essentially a temporary measure. The newly created attack aircraft will go into the niche of the stormtroopers, and the SU-30 and SU-35 will go into the niche of long-range countermeasures, and subsequently the MIG-35.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 5 January 2018 17: 31
                      0
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Do you understand the difference between tasks and opportunities

                      I understand perfectly well, as well as the fact that our aircraft industry and related industries are behind the same American ones. That is what caused the need for us to have "highly specialized" aircraft.
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      The newly created attack aircraft will go into the niche of the stormtroopers, and the SU-30 and SU-35 will go into the niche of long-range countermeasures, and subsequently the MIG-35.

                      Yeah ... it’s a pity that only the Americans are already “here and now” fly hundreds of F-22 and F-35 ... and we have “in the future” MiG-35
                    2. sivuch
                      sivuch 5 January 2018 23: 15
                      +2
                      that's it . Brahmos has been hooked on the MKI for about 10 years and everyone cannot hook. Only now is the light at the end of the tunnel. And in any case, the Su-34 has a larger radius with this Brahmos.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 6 January 2018 04: 56
                        0
                        Quote: sivuch
                        Brahmos has been hooked on the MKI for 10 years now and everyone cannot hook

                        Yes, they COULD somehow hook and unhook in flight, and most importantly, she was even able to fly and hit the target ...
                2. NN52
                  NN52 5 January 2018 16: 36
                  10
                  NEXUS

                  I’ll ask a question differently ..
                  More than once, we argued about who amers correspond to our Cu30cm and Su35.
                  So, the question is, who do they have in our 34? In the case can be contrasted?
                  And yes, su 25 completely replace, stop risking the lives of the guys ...
                  We’ll refund money from Amer bonds, and we’ll set up not only planes, but also a couple of aircraft carriers ...
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 5 January 2018 17: 27
                    +4
                    Quote: NN52
                    So, the question is, who do they have in our 34?

                    F-35.
                    Quote: NN52
                    And yes, su 25 completely replace, stop risking the lives of the guys ...

                    To replace the SU-25, a new assault platform is already being developed, which it will not be clear yet.
                    Quote: NN52
                    We’ll refund money from Amer bonds, and we’ll set up not only planes, but also a couple of aircraft carriers ...

                    Yeah ... and Alaska with California after the referendum will join.
                    1. NN52
                      NN52 5 January 2018 17: 57
                      10
                      NEXUS

                      We’ve kind of already discussed in some topic that Su 35 - F 22,
                      and Su 30 SM - F35 ...
                      So with what to correlate 34?

                      And California is not needed (hot there) ...
                      And take Alaska))))
                      1. Tori
                        Tori 5 January 2018 22: 26
                        +2
                        Su-35 ... f-15s, f-22 fighter of gaining superiority in the air and sometimes a drummer.
                        Su-34 ... f-15e IS, replacement for su 24.
                        Su-25 ... a-10 direct support of troops.
                        Su-30 ... f-15d in Irkut there was a rig left after India and China, and MFIs are needed, so they loaded production so that it does not stand idle. They go mainly to the Navy aviation, where they replace both Su24 and Su27.
                        As if everything is extremely clear.
      2. svp67
        svp67 5 January 2018 15: 45
        +3
        Quote: Vard
        As part of naval aviation, as I understand it, I myself understood the killer of aircraft carriers ...

        Only in the near or tactical zone, at best in the operational, but not as no replacement for the Tu-22M3
        1. HEATHER
          HEATHER 5 January 2018 16: 34
          +1
          Well guys! You clashed. I’ll put in my 2 pennies.svp67- does not apply to specialists! hi Su-30 and Su-35 are completely different cars. About Tu-22M3M have already broken a lot of copies. Hephaestus, his path now. Not without reason they call him names, "heftyashennye". What will be a new machine, we will see and be surprised! drinks
    2. svp67
      svp67 5 January 2018 15: 44
      +1
      Quote: VERESK
      Machine and so a masterpiece!

      Do not overpay - there is room for her to grow
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 5 January 2018 16: 35
        +1
        Machine and so a masterpiece! And then read my comment weakly?
        1. svp67
          svp67 5 January 2018 19: 18
          +1
          Quote: VERESK
          And then read my comment weakly?

          No .... we read:
          Quote: VERESK
          Will be fantastic
          And we do not agree. A car released back in the 80s cannot become FANTASTIC ... This is, at best, REAL. Here is FANTASY
          1. HEATHER
            HEATHER 6 January 2018 14: 48
            +1
            I'm talking about the reality of fiction. What is Rusk.
            1. svp67
              svp67 6 January 2018 14: 51
              0
              Quote: VERESK
              I'm talking about the reality of fiction.

              And I'm talking about the fact that we stopped working ahead of schedule. They ceased to believe that any fiction can be "described" by drawings ...
  4. newcomer
    newcomer 5 January 2018 15: 34
    +3
    Well, they’ve been talking about this for about a year, it seems like SU34M1 should go. in short, our terrible “Duckling” will become a “Utkosaurus”. nice however. kmtti, since the modernization potential of 34ki is considered large, further development is expected: M2.
  5. nekromonger
    nekromonger 5 January 2018 15: 36
    +1
    the good news, now you can’t stand still, they are adapting to everything and what was a surprise for Georgians is already known to everyone.
  6. HEATHER
    HEATHER 5 January 2018 15: 47
    +4
    Something is not fun after Hmeimim.
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 5 January 2018 15: 53
      +4
      Of course it’s tragic. but before we had to think. now it seems ours wants to take control of a ten-kilometer zone of the base. the Syrians could not cope. I confessed that we had done this a long time ago, it turns out not, the Syrians were blocking this critical diamert.
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 5 January 2018 16: 42
        +4
        I also didn’t understand. Before the holidays, there is always increased combat readiness, and even in Russia. Guards, duty forces, etc. are being strengthened, how did the Syrians give a tactically dangerous perimeter? They’re the warriors for the same. $ 100 and go whoever wants to, but Our 10-kilometer zone will not be able to block. Technicians and people are not enough. Why did they withdraw the MTR and intelligence? Or something in the plans of the Supreme? We are losing people. The flaw is tragic.
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 5 January 2018 17: 20
          +4
          they seem to want to send a regiment of protection there with full stuffing of equipment.
          1. HEATHER
            HEATHER 6 January 2018 14: 50
            +1
            We will hope.
    2. Vard
      Vard 5 January 2018 15: 56
      +1
      It’s east ... they gave it to someone’s paw ... drove the car and released a few mines from the body ... A lot of noise ... and the guys feel sorry ... But still, they worked more for propaganda ...
    3. weksha50
      weksha50 5 January 2018 16: 22
      +1
      Quote: VERESK
      Something is not fun after Hmeimim.


      And what happened in Hmeimim ??? After all, the war is going on ... To fly up on a shaitan-arba and release a couple of dozen mines - you don’t need a lot of mind ... Here they dumped and lost among the settlements ...
      It could have been worse, but there wasn’t ... And they would take measures ...
      People are practically intact ... They will restore the equipment ... Well, and - extra negative experience has been received, father of positive experience ... hi
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 5 January 2018 16: 46
        +3
        Well - extra negative experience is received For some reason, the experience we have is constantly on the corpses. Remember the girls from the hospital. "Until the thunder strikes, the Russian will not cross."
        1. Irokez
          Irokez 5 January 2018 20: 23
          +1
          Quote: VERESK
          "Until the thunder strikes, the Russian crosses himself."

          You are too critical. This is a war, and here everything can be completely not saved from everything. As the saying goes, “If I knew where I would fall, I would lay the straw.” The airbase is in full view of everyone and the enemy has learned a lot and thought out how to fire it, but when you are in sight and the enemy is not visible, no one knows which side to expect the strike from. You will never hide anything for 100% and this is not only with us Russians, but also all over the world - there is no ideal except to protect the top officials of the state.
          This reminds me of a grouchy old woman criticizing everything and everyone like: - "The adversaries have thrown cigarette butts past the ballot box and where the police are looking."
          1. HEATHER
            HEATHER 6 January 2018 14: 52
            +1
            With our girls, a little different. The bearded were destroyed an hour and a half after the shelling of the hospital. Where is the intelligence?
            1. Irokez
              Irokez 7 January 2018 17: 11
              0
              Quote: VERESK
              Where is the intelligence?

              Where necessary. And it is needed everywhere, but it is not enough. You see - not enough.
  7. askort154
    askort154 5 January 2018 15: 56
    0
    Today on the site, exactly, is Aviation Day! Thank ! good drinks
  8. Wolka
    Wolka 5 January 2018 16: 15
    0
    dear bird costs, it seems they want to make me cheaper, but good all the more excellent there is no cheap ... they’ll ruin the project, everything is in Chernomyrdin’s way ...
  9. Zomanus
    Zomanus 5 January 2018 16: 34
    0
    Not bad. Fresh aircraft and improvements have already begun.
    It is clear that there will be new sides, because
    old aircraft of this profile will retire.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 5 January 2018 23: 02
      +1
      It’s too early to retire - production has been going on since 2005, that is, the oldest are now only 12 years old, and this is the oldest, because they arrived in small batches. A modern aircraft should serve at least several decades.
  10. Lesorub
    Lesorub 5 January 2018 22: 40
    +1
    Frontline aviation needs suspended optical containers!
  11. NN52
    NN52 5 January 2018 23: 11
    +8
    Tori

    Well, you give a pancake ...
    Where did you get such nonsense?
  12. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 6 January 2018 02: 11
    0
    "Su-34, which have proven themselves during the Syrian campaign." ////

    In Syria, he failed. Therefore, it has to be modernized. Devices to hell.
    Why are there solid Su-24s in Khmeimim? Not from a good life.
    1. Manul
      Manul 6 January 2018 10: 57
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      In Syria, he failed. Therefore, it has to be modernized. Devices to hell.

      This is your guess. And yours
      Appliances to hell
      trolling level comment. Intentionally to annoy the people. And then you begin to take offense that world conspiracies are against you, they are driving others into the minuses. What prevented me from writing "the devices are imperfect and perhaps ..." But no, I want to probably be more noticeable. See, don't worry.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 6 January 2018 13: 37
        0
        Then I agree with you, I chose an unsuccessful expression. I apologize if I offended you. But about the failure of devices on the Su-34 in Syria, there was already a discussion here at VO. The aircraft were called back to the factory, repaired, replaced with other aircraft.
  13. Old26
    Old26 6 January 2018 13: 00
    +1
    Quote: hrych
    So young, but already on modernization

    Wow young. In April there will be 28 years of the first flight. Even the first serial is already a dozen years old. It's time to upgrade

    Quote: ProkletyiPirat
    But aren't Su-34 MFIs? as for me it’s a much better MFI than the ones mentioned above, and if it was brought to mind by making it easier due to composites, make stealth like the t-50, put the thrust vector and add internal volume under the tanks \ bk, sprinkle the radar on top to the full scope , then we get an airplane that will override the functions of most of the modern high-speed aircraft in the aerospace complex. Well, let it be not as fast as the t-50, but it will cover this drawback with better radars and long-range missiles. It may not be as maneuverable as the T-50 (even with all the changes), but due to the spherical radar and the weapons operator it will be able to launch missiles in close combat not only forward but also sideways and backward, and several targets at a time. But it will be possible to launch a truly MASS production, and thereby reduce the cost. And the issue of training will be simplified, there will be no need to do "training."

    It's just that such a plane will be too expensive and, accordingly, will not be massive.

    Quote: Vard
    As part of naval aviation, as I understand it, I myself understood the killer of aircraft carriers ...

    And not close

    Quote: VERESK
    This is the 22nd. M2 and M3 work for any purpose. I don’t know how many M3 are in the fleet now, but the bulk are in the airborne forces. There would be more of them. hi Although M2 is already in deep history ...

    Modification M2 is no longer there. Written off. As there is no naval aviation. A few years ago, MRA was removed from the fleets. there are several dozen flight M3s and all of them are part of the land component.

    Quote: NEXUS
    Do you understand the difference in tasks and opportunities? Bramos under the SU-30 is very good, this is one task, to destroy the adversary at a distance. And there is a bomb drop, which the SU-25 copes well with. Su-34 is essentially a temporary measure. The newly created attack aircraft will go into the niche of the stormtroopers, and the SU-30 and SU-35 will go into the niche of long-range countermeasures, and subsequently the MIG-35.

    Andrei! You are not quite right. Under the SU-30 "Bramos" can be suspended (But this is done in India, not ours). And they do, one might say so, from "hopelessness." Indians do not have a SU-34 class car. And I do not consider the comparison with the SU-30 and SU-35 to be correct. The machine is essentially a tactical bomber, although it was built on the basis of a fighter. And by no means a temporary measure. He has no tasks to perform the functions "30" and "35". To each his own. The bomber should serve as a bomber, the fighter - the functions of a fighter. But multifunctionality is not a panacea. SU-30, no matter how good it may be, or whatever the nomenclature of TSA is, will not replace the SU-34 with its armored capsule. In the same way as a sufficiently heavily armed SU-34 will not be able to compare with a fighter. Multifunctionality is good, but it is not an end in itself. Similarly, the SU-34 will not replace the SU-25. These are common truths and I am surprised that you would not understand this. The SU-25 really requires the prospect of a replacement, but what it will be like, the new attack aircraft, is not yet clear ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 6 January 2018 13: 40
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      "- will not replace the SU-34 with its armored capsule." ////

      Why do I need an armored capsule if planes are bombing from a height beyond the reach of anti-aircraft fire? And in the air, this capsule will not protect either from enemy cannons or explosive missiles.
      1. Manul
        Manul 6 January 2018 14: 42
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        Why do I need an armored capsule if planes are bombing from a height beyond the reach of anti-aircraft fire? And in the air, this capsule will not protect either from enemy cannons or explosive missiles.

        Firstly, to, when necessary, fulfill the role of attack aircraft. Or a fighter. Ever heard of the concept of a combat mission and the purpose of a Su-34? And secondly, any booking increases the chances of survival. A fragment can also fly in, and a directed stream of fragments, and the turn of the “partner”. You ask strange questions.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 6 January 2018 21: 28
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          The armor has to be carried around. Instead of enough bombing.
          Therefore, it turns out that the single-engine baby F-16 dumps more on the enemy
          bombs than twin-engine bomber.
          1. Manul
            Manul 8 January 2018 06: 37
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            The armor has to be carried around. Instead of enough bombing.
            Therefore, it turns out that the single-engine baby F-16 dumps more on the enemy
            bombs than twin-engine bomber.

            We are rushed upon, that we have many weapons of the same type from different manufacturers, and we need some kind of universalism, or we do not like our universality. Yes, the armored capsule weighs, but Israel may not buy the Su-34, but take the F-16. Our planes are quite happy with us and we are not just happy with them. We are proud. And you didn’t even bother to delve into the meaning of my answer. Talk to yourself. Once again I say - get acquainted with the characteristics of the Su-34. It was created as a universal aircraft. Both for assault operations and for fights in the air. We also have Tu-22M3 for a clean bombing. And try to cite your American counterparts as an example.
  14. flicker
    flicker 6 January 2018 15: 50
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    Thanks to our western (as we say) partners - we are forced to actively develop this segment of our industry. good hi drinks