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Propaganda and agitation in the USSR in the era of perestroika (part of 3)

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We continue to publish materials from S. Shpakovskaya’s dissertation on the formation and development of public relations services at the turn of the epochs - in 80-90. Twentieth century. The previous materials dealt with the training of propagandists and agitators, lecturers of the Knowledge Society and the work of Marxist-Leninist schools and universities. Today we will discuss what role the councils of workers' deputies played in the conduct of the party’s information policy. This, of course, is not “easy reading,” but it is clear evidence of how reforms were carried out at that time in the area of ​​establishing a constructive dialogue between the authorities and the people at the level of the regions of the Middle Volga region.
V.Shpakovsky



At that time, there were many councils of various levels whose task, just like the bodies of the party, was to carry out its policies. From among their deputies, commissions were created that were responsible for a specific direction in this work. Thus, 3 in October 1986 in the Standing Committee on Culture of the Penza Council of People’s Deputies addressed the issue of the work of cinemas “to improve public services in the light of the decisions of the 27th CPSU Congress”. The document adopted on this issue, the editorial offices of the newspapers Penzenskaya Pravda and the Young Leninist, proposed expanding the publication of reviews and in-depth analytical reviews of film productions in the spirit of the day, and suggested persistent anti-alcohol propaganda in cinemas, as well as opening a lecture hall for a sober lifestyle. Visual agitation: posters, advertising stands, invitations - all this is reflected in the session resolution. In order to improve the organization of communist education, it was proposed to hold conversations about morality: “About things”, “Friendship is a serious thing”, “Let's talk about humanity”. The subjects of the issues that were considered by the Penza City Executive Committee in the second half of the 80 were also quite diverse. Among them are the status and measures to improve the work on the prevention of offenses among students of vocational school №1 (08.04.85); “On the status of work at the Penza brewery (28.12.1987)”; “On measures to improve the fight against drunkenness and alcoholism and the eradication of home brewing at the brick factory No. 1 (15.09.1987) [1]. At the beginning of the year, the question was raised about the implementation of the decision of the Central Committee of the CPSU by the Leninsky ROVD of Penza from 20.11.86 on the “Further strengthening of socialist legality and law and order, strengthening the protection of the rights and legitimate interests of citizens (19.01.1988) [2].


The building of the Government of the Penza region. 1958 to 1991 here was located the Penza Regional Committee of the CPSU.

The management process was carried out according to the following scheme: all instructions of the party were immediately duplicated by resolutions of the Soviets of People's Deputies. At the same time, a lot of attention was paid to the work with suggestions and comments expressed both by individuals and members of public organizations. Thus, the decisions of the III session of 21 of convocation of the Penza city council of people's deputies from 30.10.90 considered the information on the fulfillment of critical comments and suggestions made by the deputies of the previous session. The information indicated that 53 made suggestions and comments from 7, 26 was clarified, and 20 were in the area of ​​implementation. It was indicated to oblige the city executive committee and its departments to consider the submitted proposals more promptly, and most importantly - “make fuller use in this work of the power of publicity” [3].

At the same time, the certificates of the same city executive committee contain a lot of evidence that citizens do not show proper attention to citizens' appeals and complaints. Most often, the orders of the district councils were not fulfilled, although the citizens of Penza were the ones who most applied there.

But among the mandates of voters heading to the Supreme Soviets of the USSR and the RSFSR, almost one hundred percent of their fulfillment was noted. So for 1988, three appeals were sent to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR and the same to the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR. Appeals to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR were all fulfilled, and of the three appeals to the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR, one was completed, and two were in a state of execution at the time of their submission to the report. 34 mandate was passed to the district council of Penza, half of which was carried out. All the information, again by feedback, came to the regional committee of the CPSU [4].

Since the deputies did not possess any personal funds at that time and were completely dependent on budget allocations, most of their proposals did not find their fulfillment. Moreover, it was often stated in the documents that the deputy could not fulfill his duties in connection with being on maternity leave or childcare leave. However, the dominant problem was the lack of funds. Thus, deputy M. Gubenko, reporting on his work at the VEM plant (April 1987), told voters that he proposed to build an underground passage from the plant-technical technical unit to VEM. Then he said that he was receiving voters, in addition, they had built a playground on the street. Revolutionary, and the deputy didn’t manage to do anything else [5].

Interestingly, MS himself. Gorbachev, the initiator of perestroika in the USSR, became famous at this time with the following statements: “There can be no pluralism of two opinions” and “There is no dialogue with the opposition”, which clearly demonstrates the attitude of the then authorities to any forms and methods of dialogical communication.

Nevertheless, new forms of information work with the masses gradually entered into the practice of work of party organizations in the field. In particular, in the city of Saratov in the work plans of the ideological department of the CPSU Regional Committee, in addition to the standard requirement to hear the secretaries of the lower level to study the best practices of the party leadership of the press, the task was to create a press center at the CPSU OK. True, the goals of the work of this press center were determined by the old ones: informing journalists and “forming their political consciousness”. It was decided to regularly, at least 6-8, once a quarter, together with the press centers of the regional executive committees and other departments, to hold press conferences and briefings, together with the Saratov organization of the Union of Journalists to create a press club for contacts with journalists and other public organizations. [6].

As for the media of the Saratov region, they were given the following tasks at this time:
- to promote the strengthening of the ideological impact on the consolidation of society, the strengthening of the socialist ideal, the rationing of the communist worldview, enrichment and culture of the spiritual and moral sphere in society, the implementation of socio-economic programs;
- to provide objective coverage of the process of updating the party, increasing the role of local councils;
- to strive for the implementation of a close connection between Lenin's principles of partnership, partnership with party workers and journalists, to help the press in ensuring the effectiveness of publications.

It is characteristic that at the same time first attempts are being made to study public opinion. Thus, the ideological department of the OC CPSU of the Saratov region in March 1990 conducted a sociological survey of women, the purpose of which was to find out their attitude to the situation in the country, region and the CPSU as the organizing and leading force of Soviet society. In the report submitted to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the total number of respondents was not indicated, but it was noted that 53% of Saratov women from 29 to 49 years took part in it. The total volume of the document - 29 sheets containing very important and interesting information. In fact, it was a guide for conducting events on JI and further deepening the socio-economic, political and structural reforms of Soviet society. However, he did not find any practical application in the activities of the Saratov OK Communist Party of no recommendations for its publication and, at least for some practical use, were accepted [7].

This was already evident in the paralysis of the power structures, which had exhausted its potential for further development. Changes were increasingly caused by pressure from below with, again, the absence of effective measures on CO from above.

For example, in the city of Chapaevsk of the Samara region, JI measures aimed at establishing an ethical dialogue with the public during the construction of a plant for the elimination of chemical weapons, were not held. But the opponents of this plant staged a whole tent camp, in which there were representatives of informal organizations from Chapayevsk, Kazan and Saratov.

After the aforementioned events that took place in August 1989, foreign correspondents, representatives of the US Congress were allowed to enter the enterprise, who had to be personally convinced of its environmental safety [8]. But even this visit could not change the mindset of the residents of Chapaevsk and the deputies of the City Council. This plant has never been opened.

It is interesting to note that the Samara OK CPSU just as well as the OK CPSU of Saratov, was concerned with studying the public opinion of residents of the city and region. To this end, employees of the Kuybyshev State University conducted a sociological survey of the communists of the city and region on issues related to the restructuring and activities of the members of the CPSU in the new conditions. The result of the work was the proposal to create a regional socio-political center of the Center for Legal Control), which is supposed to ensure the interaction of the party with the masses in conditions of publicity and restructuring, as well as consultations, analytical and prognostic activities [9]. In addition to consultants, even a video studio was included in the OPC. Of course, this center was still far from modern structures such as committees for relations with materiality under the government of a particular area, but the fact is obvious that structures approaching them in terms of tasks at this time have already begun to emerge.

Thus, we can conclude that by the end of 1990 - the beginning of 1991, despite the rather traditional nature of the work of party and Soviet institutions in the Penza, Samara and Saratov regions, certain changes that we can now interpret as the first manifestations of new elements in areas of work on CO have already taken place. That is, the USSR was slowly but surely entering the information society. The influence of the media has increased, since the density of information flow has seriously increased. However, changes in the information policy were not supported by material support. People began to know more, but they didn’t become better off living.

Materials archives Penza (GAPO), Samara (GASPI), Saratov (TsDNISO)
1. HAPO. F. P-453., Op. 1a, D. No. 1498. C. 190.
2. HAPO. F. P-453., Op. 1a, D. No. 1591. C. 168.
3. HAPO. F. P-453., Op. 1a, D. No. 1680. C. 156.
4. HAPO. F. P-2038., Op. 1a, D. No. 7999. C. 70.
5. HAPO. F. P-453., Op. 1a, D. No. 1601. C. 447.
6. TsDNISO. F.594.O.47 (2). C.37-38.
7. TsDNISO. F.594.Op.47. No.104. C.1-29.
8. GASPI. F.656. Op.197. D.№393. C.19.
9. GASPI. F.656. Op.197. D.№477. C.2,19.
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  1. XII Legion
    XII Legion 26 December 2017 07: 29 New
    19
    Punishment is a good thing
    If they are implemented
    Thank you!
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 26 December 2017 07: 29 New
    +7
    Interestingly, MS himself. Gorbachev, the initiator of perestroika in the USSR, became famous at this time with the following statements: “There can be no pluralism of two opinions” and “There is no dialogue with the opposition”, which clearly demonstrates the attitude of the then authorities to any forms and methods of dialogical communication.
    ... Just recently, I went to the city administration on business. I met a friend. I used to work together. It turned out that I worked as a journalist in a regional newspaper for some time, was published in the regional media. I remembered the words: “When I started journalism, I thought there was freedom in the country the words ".. These words were uttered in a whisper, looking around if anyone hears ....
    1. kalibr
      26 December 2017 07: 42 New
      +4
      It all depends on the level of the journalist and the ones that he raises. What normal journalist in your town (and I was in it, by the way and I really liked the museum, park and market!) Will write about corruption, even if they put on him an 100% reliable dossier? He is living in this city. But no one bothers to raise common problems and even acute particulars. Well, and at the level of Wasserman and Povzner you can afford a lot ... But your friend, apparently, did not do journalism for long. Because otherwise she could have said loudly, and without looking back, and even with a smile: There is freedom of speech and there is freedom not to use it, ha ha!
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 26 December 2017 07: 55 New
        +7
        No need to blame my friend .. From that time and now, only the poles have changed .. Whoever dines is eating, he dances her ... Vyacheslav Olegovich, you yourself run around the poles, at first you were on one, now on the other ..
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 26 December 2017 08: 21 New
          +5
          Quote: parusnik
          No need to blame my friend .. From that time and now, only the poles have changed .. Whoever dines is eating, he dances her ... Vyacheslav Olegovich, you yourself run around the poles, at first you were on one, now on the other ..

          I assume that the former pole was under pressure from circumstances and elders, including. And now ---- the present!
          1. kalibr
            26 December 2017 10: 35 New
            +4
            That’s why I like you, Dmitry, because you sometimes think very sensibly. You are absolutely right: the family, relatives, the school tell you, the newspapers write ... You follow this information pressure, because you don’t own all the information, and b you try to follow the line of least resistance (the way a person exists). It doesn’t satisfy you with something ... but you humble yourself over the line .... Then - bang! External circumstances have changed, new information has arrived, old dissatisfactions have disappeared (although new ones have appeared, but they are fewer). So ... if not all is well, then a lot. Repin's painting "Sailed". That's all. And do not be wise!
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 26 December 2017 11: 49 New
              +1
              If I read from top to bottom, I would write what I recently wrote below.
              Well, what do you say, Vyacheslav? You also sometimes think correctly and thanks to your mention, I read the book of A. A. Bogdanov (doctor, philosopher, economist, scientific writer) HOLIDAY OF IMMORTALITY. There is also the novel RED STAR, published for the first time in 1908, the beginning of Soviet science fiction. I’ll quote later from it, by the way - there is a hint of foresight about LGBT people, both philosophical books and books on the ideology of the proletcult, professor of political economy at 1MU, 1918-1922, a member of the Presidium of the Communist Academy, have survived. The Institute of Blood appeared thanks to A. AND. Bogdanov.
              In 1999, the International Institute of A. Bogdanov was created in Yekaterinburg to develop his teachings in Russia and abroad.
        2. kalibr
          26 December 2017 10: 37 New
          +1
          parusnik Do I blame her? I just wrote that experience comes with time.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 26 December 2017 13: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: kalibr
            parusnik Do I blame her? I just wrote that experience comes with time.

            And why could she be forbidden to write?
            And where are these murdered, mutilated, persecuted for truth journalists in Russia? A-no them.
            In addition to the plaintive cries of the "sufferers" from the "rains" and the dogs.
            And Putin's campfire almost obscene and the judicial system, and the police, etc.
            But mediocrity, always have an excuse, do not give the truth to say! But they just don’t know how ....
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 26 December 2017 08: 55 New
      +5
      Quote: parusnik I remembered the words: "When I started journalism, I thought there was freedom of speech in the country" .. These words were uttered in a whisper, looking around if anyone could hear ....

      The Russian Federation is in third place in the world in the number of journalists killed over the past 15 years, Reuters reported on September 20 September, citing the International Committee to Protect Journalists. In the list of countries most dangerous for reporters, Russia, where 15 journalists were killed in 42 years, only Iraq (1991 killed) and Algeria, which was at war with the 78, and Algeria, where a civil confrontation between the government and Islamists (60 killed) lasted several years. http://babr24.com/?IDE=32786
      1. already a Muscovite
        already a Muscovite 26 December 2017 11: 52 New
        +6
        This is your Committee to Protect Journalists ...- 16 journalists killed during a NATO air raid on the Yugoslav television station RTS were not mentioned in any of the organization’s reports, but there were three groups of journalists, three different channels, who flew to Syria and crashed on an airplane, a year back, included in their reports ... Correctly, Comrade Stalin said: "The main thing is not how they think, but who thinks" ...
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 26 December 2017 12: 13 New
          +3
          Do you think that we have free journalism and they have nothing to fear?
          1. kalibr
            26 December 2017 12: 57 New
            +2
            It’s just that they have something to be afraid of. IN - read the comments ...
          2. already a Muscovite
            already a Muscovite 26 December 2017 15: 26 New
            0
            our journalists are freer than our locksmiths or millers. And they perish many times more than journalists ... And our journalists have rights many times more than representatives of other professions.
          3. antivirus
            antivirus 26 December 2017 20: 09 New
            +1
            freedom of words and everywhere feel their responsibility and dependence, and the attitude of others towards these “responsibility and dependence” is different
            it all depends on the arithmetic mean, majority opinions, middle class, traditions
            outside this framework --- it’s dangerous
            1. kalibr
              26 December 2017 22: 34 New
              +1
              Finally, a sane person writes!
              1. antivirus
                antivirus 27 December 2017 08: 12 New
                0
                outside this framework --- it’s dangerous
                BUT INSIDE - BORING
                Your friend, apparently, is
                psychotype. (?)
                different people - different aspirations, goals
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 26 December 2017 13: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: avva2012
        The Russian Federation ranks third in the world in the number of journalists killed in the past 15 years, Reuters reports September 20, citing the International Committee to Protect Journalists.

        Either Adolf Hitler, you have authority (quote it as an example of rationality), then Reuters ... belay
        Who are you, comrade Avva? request
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 26 December 2017 13: 35 New
          +4
          Olgovich, you have nothing to say, are you asking provocative questions? Your comment?
          Only about 10% of the country's population died of starvation, dispossession-600 thousand of the dead (most of them were children), 37-38y: 680-72 of thousands of killed, more than a million killed in the camps, deportations ... These are DIRECT losses, and how many indirect ones are the same extinction of Russians since 1964, etc. WHERE else in the world was similar and on such a scale? Nowhere and never! ..
          Ah, this is mine:
          “If Stalin was given another ten to fifteen years, Russia would become the most powerful state in the world and it would take two or three centuries to change the state of things. This is a unique phenomenon! He raised the standard of living - and there is no doubt about it; no one in Russia no longer starving. Plants were built where only a few villages existed a couple of years ago, and plants, notice, are as large as the plants of Hermann Goering. They built railways that are not yet on our maps "A. Hitler.
          Even the possessed Führer understood something, unlike you, Olgovich.
          It’s not beautiful, Olgovich, they arranged a “dark” for such things in childhood. Or are you not used to it?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 26 December 2017 13: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: avva2012
            Not beautiful, Olgovich,

            What is ugly? Is it true in the form of your quoting the opinion of Hitler as authoritative for you? belay So the truth, it does not happen, beautiful or not. request
            Quote: avva2012
            for such things in childhood they arranged a "dark" one.

            In childhood (and even later), for quoting Hitler, the citate bearer was beaten openly and without a doubt. Everyone was beaten, from the Communists to the monarchists.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 26 December 2017 13: 55 New
              +2
              Yah? You try it. Over 5 thousand km. you can write anything. In my childhood, they beat me for a lie. For what you do. And the same provocateurs.
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 26 December 2017 17: 11 New
                +1
                Dedicated to the Evil Doctor (or the "Doctor Evil"? Which is better? From the "Good" and "Cute" he eagerly denies) drinks
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 26 December 2017 17: 40 New
                  +2
                  Are you sure this is Olgovich? And, what, looks like. With the same perseverance, as in the figure, he is drumming everyone with numbers from another world.
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 26 December 2017 17: 42 New
                    +1
                    I did not speak about Olgovich wink rather, it is a reference to your desire to make him "dark." With medical, so to speak, coloring, a straitjacket and an enema on duty laughing drinks
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 27 December 2017 02: 27 New
                      +4
                      I didn’t have a desire to do something with him, it’s just a reference to my opponent’s childhood. Which I wish you too. Recall how you were.
  3. avva2012
    avva2012 26 December 2017 07: 36 New
    +7
    So, in March 1990, the ideological department of the OK CPSU of the Saratov region conducted a sociological survey of women, the purpose of which was to find out their attitude to the situation in the country, the region and the CPSU, as the organizing and leading force of Soviet society.
    ... 53% of Saratov women from 29 to 49 years took part in it. The total volume of the document is 29 sheets containing very important and interesting information. In fact, it was a guide on JI activities and further deepening the socio-economic, political and structural reforms of Soviet society. However, he did not find any practical application in the activities of the Saratov OK CPSU ..

    Every cook in government? Strange, why didn’t they listen to how to manage the state? And really, why? I, as I understand it, now the negative experience of anti-people’s Soviet power by our Government is taken into account. The shortage of stockings and tights is solved.
    This was reflected in the paralysis of the power structures, already obvious at that time, which had exhausted its potential for further development.

    Interestingly, it is on the basis of what, such a thoughtful conclusion was made?
    1. kalibr
      26 December 2017 08: 29 New
      +5
      "However, he did not find any practical application in the activities of the Saratov OK CPSU"
      That's based on this. There were polls, studies were conducted. Recommendations for improvement were made ... And all this was not used. What is it if not paralysis? Because otherwise it would work. And experience ... yes experience is taken into account. Neither 17 nor 91 will be repeated anymore.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 26 December 2017 08: 36 New
        +7
        And experience ... yes experience is taken into account. Neither 17 nor 91 will be repeated anymore.
        You flatter yourself, Vyacheslav Olegovich, it is not in your competence to know whether experience has been taken into account.
        17, today, it certainly won’t happen again, there is still no revolutionary situation, and 91, how to know which winds blow at the top.
        There were polls, studies were conducted. Recommendations were made to improve ...

        Yeah, how to manage the state made recommendations. Do not make me laugh. As for the population’s state of mind, it seems that monthly reports from the relevant authorities laid down on the table where necessary.
        1. kalibr
          26 December 2017 08: 54 New
          +4
          Doctor, I do not need to flatter myself. It is clear that I do not know what is upstairs. But I know very well how things stand in the "foundation of the pyramid." The recommendations were made not how to govern the state (include a rational!), But how to establish a constructive dialogue, how to improve work at the local level. And just for the corresponding bodies in 90, I conducted research. They did not have such structures and experience either. So there is no need for fantasies, you just need to listen to what I tell you. Bodies are not a sociological office. And they did not need these studies every month (no dough is enough for this, you don’t even know how expensive it is!), But only once a year for elections (and even not for all). You are far from this, and I, my graduates, work in all these offices. We now live in the information society, and it has its own laws, its ... moments. Here comes the book "Technology of Public Opinion Management" - everything will be there, read it. So far there is only "Internet journalism and online advertising", and these are too narrow topics for you and I am ashamed to recommend you buy and read it. It will be more a question than answers ...
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 26 December 2017 09: 23 New
            +4
            So there is no need for fantasies, you just need to listen to what I tell you.

            Yes sir! soldier Sorry, oh great!
            Here comes the book "Technology of Public Opinion Management" - everything will be there, read it.

            Read.
            Bodies are not a sociological office. And they did not need these studies every month.

            The authorities should constantly monitor the situation, I think so. There is no need for special financial expenses, this information is just a by-product of other developments.
            1. kalibr
              26 December 2017 10: 25 New
              +3
              It's not greatness, doctor. It just doesn’t make sense for me to deceive you or anyone else. Not out of morality, honestly. Just ... unprofitable! And "disadvantageous" at 80% is the same morality. It's just that I’m doing my own thing, which I’ve been doing since 1995, and I know all the subtleties.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 26 December 2017 10: 50 New
                +3
                Should I believe what you write, "I don’t make sense to deceive"? You are wrong in renouncing the very idea that you served. And, this is already, not even about morality.
                1. kalibr
                  26 December 2017 12: 11 New
                  +3
                  I served the state as good as I could! And ideas ... well, they are on ... They do not choose us - we them. I chose one, I tried it on the tooth - rotten. And on her FIG!
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 26 December 2017 13: 38 New
                    +2
                    People for this idea, which, you, "on the fig", fell on the embrasure. And knowing that "the communists would go" as volunteers, they nevertheless joined the CPSU (B.). Maybe this is something wrong with your teeth?
                    1. kalibr
                      26 December 2017 22: 31 New
                      +1
                      And once they went to the fire, right? And what did they prove? Time changes, methods change. Now let the drone fall on the embrasure, it is still disposable. The price of people has increased significantly. Therefore, the ideas in which they need to go somewhere somewhere ... are not in honor. In honor of the idea, when your enemy is bought, immobilized, for nothing that is not connected, and you wet him with bombs from above, and he has nothing to answer! And one or two dead is a tragedy for the whole country. Here for such ideas - I am for! And my teeth are excellent - cermet from top to bottom, not a mouth, but a fortune!
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 27 December 2017 02: 32 New
                        +3
                        For you, mouth, yes, condition and the only method of earning. Enjoy your meal.
                2. Mikado
                  Mikado 26 December 2017 17: 53 New
                  +2
                  You are wrong in renouncing the very idea that you served. And, this is already, not even about morality.

                  You shouldn’t have planted me on Alexander Lozhkin .. wink after all, he has already drawn on every statement of the "Communists". request
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 27 December 2017 02: 51 New
                    +2
                    I am glad that you liked the pictures.
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 26 December 2017 09: 34 New
          +4
          Quote: avva2012

          The 17th, today, will definitely not happen again, there is still no revolutionary situation, but the 91st, who knows what winds are blowing at the top. about.
          Keywords ---- TODAY and MORE. Who knows what will happen tomorrow. At the beginning of 1917, a revolutionary situation was not supposed and V.I. Lenin did not assume that it would be during his lifetime ... And the Bolshevik party was small. And then, then went the development of the process !!!
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 26 December 2017 09: 46 New
            +5
            Yes, Dmitry, I agree with you. Without a revolutionary situation, without the Idea not embracing the masses, and even without a new V.I. Lenin, hoping for a Revolution is pointless.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 26 December 2017 11: 25 New
              +2
              Why hope, one has to look, what ideas appear where? Maybe that is already starting to appear, but unnoticed.?
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 26 December 2017 11: 53 New
                +2
                You look around you. Do you see many literate Marxists around you? V.I. Lenin said that at first the idea should embrace the masses. I personally do not see it, although the “reddening” of society is much more noticeable than 5 years ago. Is the process going?
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 26 December 2017 12: 54 New
                  +1
                  Quote: avva2012
                  You look around you. Do you see many literate Marxists around you? V.I. Lenin said that at first the idea should embrace the masses. I personally do not see it, although the “reddening” of society is much more noticeable than 5 years ago. Is the process going?

                  Probably yes. Only I am not capable of evaluating everything. Conclusions about the modern based on these ideas are suitable for me.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 26 December 2017 13: 39 New
                    +1
                    "Learn, study and study ..." is a well-known saying.
                    1. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene 27 December 2017 10: 53 New
                      +1
                      Quote: avva2012
                      "Learn, study and study ..." is a well-known saying.

                      All right. Dear comrades, have a look at the site
                      https://work-way.com/blog/
                      They started to study right there.
                2. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 26 December 2017 15: 25 New
                  +4
                  "Do you see many literate Marxists around you?" ///

                  Take me: 1) I will grow a beard 2) nationality is correct 3) and damages.
                  I’ll write a thick book quickly, I promise (now AI writes such books in 5 minutes).
                  We will call it "Cop Ital." They will think that about the Italian cop in New York ("action") - they will go like hot cakes. fellow drinks
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 26 December 2017 16: 19 New
                    +2
                    "Capital", they themselves read it, or didn’t they have enough strength?
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 26 December 2017 16: 21 New
                      +2
                      Tried to... sad Not enough ... crying
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 26 December 2017 17: 38 New
                        +3
                        You still try to read and write wink you look, and the World Revolution will come drinks picture - Doctor laughing
                      2. avva2012
                        avva2012 26 December 2017 17: 42 New
                        +1
                        Then, maybe you’ll shave off your beard, otherwise you never know what?
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 26 December 2017 13: 25 New
              +3
              Quote: avva2012
              Without a revolutionary situation, without the Idea not embracing the masses, and without a new V.I. Lenin, hoping for a Revolution is pointless.

              Without World War II- there is nothing to hope for "revolutionaries".
              But during the war, when the country spends all its efforts on survival, they can take advantage of its weakening and hardships to hit in the back. Like in October 17th.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 26 December 2017 09: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        "However, he did not find any practical application in the activities of the Saratov OK CPSU"
        That's based on this. There were polls, studies were conducted. Recommendations for improvement were made ... And all this was not used. What is it if not paralysis? Because otherwise it would work. And experience ... yes experience is taken into account. Neither 17 nor 91 will be repeated anymore.

        What is it --- if not paralysis? Do you, dear Vyachelav Olegovich, not know what it is? This is not paralysis. This is the work of destruction, not visible to the naked eye.
        1. kalibr
          26 December 2017 10: 20 New
          +3
          Dmitry, what is the destruction? The level is regional !!! What they said from above, they did it. People worked for salaries. And who is sawing the branch on which he sits? What do you think, I was so happy that I covered up the specialty “History of the CPSU”?
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 26 December 2017 11: 19 New
            +1
            In this particular case, I assume that yes, they were happy. As the elders got you, and this somehow slipped in your comments, and not just in the articles! And now, finally the ideas of the elders are exposed! And you knew, because you yourself mentioned your prediction that survive! After all, before they didn’t live on one salary, as we themselves were informed!
            Namely, in the 70s, in connection with new import-export relations, ideas arose about the gradual change of ownership from state to private. And already in the 80s those dissertations were ordered that you recommended in an article about drug addiction 100 years ago
            1. kalibr
              26 December 2017 12: 13 New
              +3
              Well, always when new horizons open up there is joy. There were great expectations and in many ways they came true.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 31 December 2017 13: 09 New
                0
                I found a place to write! Reading at different times --- I miss. ABOUT YOUR teeth are false, only right now I saw and lost. Putting money in false teeth ----- that's right! You can encrust them like Maya. HERE-HERE !!!!!! teeth in the Russian Federation or Belarus inserted? And how they scolded domestic medicine! In vain! Like
                The profession of a doctor was taunted! How many media people died ----- doctors could not invite! These names are well known. And there are many reports of an unsuccessful ambulance --- to children, young, old. Although, of course, what do you care about them ..... I do not want to repeat your words about ordinary people. So any DOCTOR is always more important than a book writer.
  4. Blue cop
    Blue cop 26 December 2017 07: 56 New
    17
    Managing a state at the stage of forming the information society is a complicated thing.
    It’s good that such topics are raised and revealed.
    Maybe this will avoid mistakes at the present stage.
    1. soldier
      soldier 26 December 2017 08: 31 New
      18
      Information wars have a long history.
      It is impossible to overestimate their significance and consequences.
  5. kalibr
    26 December 2017 08: 19 New
    +5
    Quote: parusnik
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, you yourself run on the poles, at first you were on one, now on the other ..

    How much can you write about this? You seem to be a smart person. Or not? And you yourself do not run? Are you in the partisan detachment "Back to the USSR"? University professors are the same hired workers as turners, only work for others. There was a specialty - the specialty was canceled. There was a party ... there were members ... Gathered - they said "Dissolved"! Your actions? Create a partisan detachment? True, I already knew so much about this in my specialty that I was sure that everything was about to change. And it has changed. So what? Will you cry? It is necessary to look for the best in any situation, to live on, so that your children and grandchildren live on. Head banging on the wall is for the sick.
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      2. kalibr
        26 December 2017 18: 12 New
        +1
        "There are a lot of worthy people in this partisan detachment. Although there are other partisan detachments, we must admit that" it can help abroad "," innocent Germans. You never know. "
        Obviously, I hastened to praise you for your judiciousness, here she does not even smell. This is not a "squad". And the opinion. And it is not forbidden to have an opinion now, not 37. Someone rather, some boy has an erroneous opinion, but he has a life ahead, has the opportunity to improve. It is good for society when there are different opinions and are not pursued for them. This is an indicator of his health.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 26 December 2017 20: 59 New
          +2
          So finally deleted! I tried to fix the error. And I did not speak about the boy, Vyacheslav, but that work is ongoing in all directions! As it was written here in the article, then, later, that this German grave does not exist at all. In general! He could not be there. Therefore, this is not the opinion of the boy, but the reading of the text issued. The closest thing is probably the terminology of the Doctor ----- first --- the incubation period! And then there are already visible signs.
          As for different opinions, there are different opinions, but only from new opinions, of the aftermath, one harm to our country.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 26 December 2017 13: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: kalibr
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, you yourself run on the poles, at first you were on one, now on the other ..
      How much can you write about this? You seem to be a smart person. Or not? And you yourself do not run? Are you in the partisan detachment "Back to the USSR"?

      The pole is reversed by many after the unsightly truth about the first pole, which has grown into a lie, is found out.
      And the first pole itself is to blame for this - it was he who acted dishonestly, calling it a lie-truth.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 26 December 2017 14: 22 New
        +3
        I had no doubt that you and Vyacheslav Olegovich would find a common language. Polar explorers, even those.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 26 December 2017 15: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: avva2012
          Polar explorers, even those.

          The king turned out to be UNFALT! Pole, or rather ....
        2. kalibr
          26 December 2017 18: 00 New
          +4
          And what, Olgovich is right! State-monopoly capitalism was built in the country, in which all the main means of production belonged to the state and controlled by it, but it was covered with a beautiful left phrase. He did not stand next to socialism, but they even talked about "developed socialism." That is, everything was built on mass deception. There is a wonderful film "Welcome or No Trespassing" - a very accurate parody of the USSR. "Children! You are the owners of the camp! What is required of you? Discipline!" So it was in our country as well. Hence the mass drunkenness, and "I think one thing, I do another, I say the third." People did not understand that they had been deceived and in what, but instinctively felt something "not right." And they didn’t like it. However, I found another dissertation on how the upbringing and education of the future builders of communism began. Very interesting. Soon I will give excerpts from it ...
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 26 December 2017 18: 57 New
            +2
            "that they were deceived and in what, but instinctively felt that something was" not right. "And they did not like it" ////

            The people expressed this vague dissatisfaction in such simple art:
            "You are the boss here, not the guest. Take every nail from the factory"
            "Do you see a hammer ?, do you see a sickle? .... Do you want to reap, but do you want to strike, all-early you will receive ... an award"

            Brodsky said about this era more artistically:
            "There they adorn the flag, embracing, a sickle and a hammer.
            But the nail is not driven into the wall and the garden is not weathered.
            Roughly speaking, there’s a great plan to screw up "
          2. avva2012
            avva2012 27 December 2017 05: 06 New
            +2
            State-monopoly capitalism was built in the country, in which all the main means of production belonged to the state and controlled by it, but it was covered with a beautiful left phrase.

            Similar capitalism can be in a country where there is a bourgeoisie, as a class. Was this class in the USSR? Maybe someone from the Politburo owned the means of production? Discover the classics, refresh your memory and do not try to confuse people, taking advantage of the fact that many political economies have not even opened.
            That is, everything was built on mass deception.
            This, you, distort the facts, deceive the readers.
            Hence the mass drunkenness, and "I think one thing, I do another, I say the third."

            Is that what you are talking about now? Alcoholism is a disease, a problem in any developed country. Raise statistics for 1985 year in countries such as France, USA, Sweden. The fact is that in countries where the standard of living is extremely low, alcohol is abused, those who are at the very bottom of the social ladder, those who have nothing to lose already. In developed countries, people begin to abuse, the "middle class" of the excess of time, if not paradoxical. If in the USSR this problem was, then it speaks of a rather high living standard of the population.
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 27 December 2017 11: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: avva2012
              Similar capitalism can be in a country where there is a bourgeoisie, as a class. Was this class in the USSR? Maybe someone from the Politburo owned the means of production? Discover the classics, refresh your memory and do not try to confuse people, taking advantage of the fact that many political economies have not even opened.

              All right. Nobody hid anything. IN AND. Lenin said that state monopoly, working for the whole nation - this is socialism. In capitalist countries, the state monopoly works only for those who have capital.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 27 December 2017 11: 47 New
                +2
                Correctly. Soviet socialism is state capitalism.
                State officials (ruled by a permanent ruling party) rule the people.
                Government officials around the world work inefficiently. A permanent ruling party is always decaying.
                The result is economic stagnation and a return to capitalism.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 27 December 2017 12: 43 New
                  +1
                  A permanent ruling party is always decaying.

                  This is called, find ten differences in the two bourgeois parties. Can you pass such an intellectual test? I could not. Not found. No, of course, at the blah, blah, blah level, yes, but in most civilized countries, there are parties, presidents, puppets. Elite rule the state, mainly, but not necessarily, divided into financial and industrial capital.
                  The result is economic stagnation and a return to capitalism.

                  As a result of capitalist development, crisis and war as its solution. As a result of the war, redistribution of property, i.e., if in Russian, Art. 161 of the Criminal Code, "robbery." You like? I don’t, I personally think that my descendants deserve a better life.
                2. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 27 December 2017 20: 54 New
                  +2
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Correctly. Soviet socialism is state capitalism.

                  No, it is wrong, state monopoly was one of the particles of which socialism consists. Under Stalin, Soviet socialism was the first phase of communism.
                  Then he was distorted by the Khrushchev and Kosygin reforms, finished off by the Gorbachev ones, and still he did not become capitalism.
                  It became capitalism when the privately held privately held Gaizar-Gaidar
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 27 December 2017 22: 12 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Correctly. Soviet socialism is state capitalism.

                    No, it is wrong, state monopoly was one of the particles of which socialism consists. Under Stalin, Soviet socialism was the first phase of communism.
                    For confusion, different terms have been created, either Swedish socialism, then Finnish socialism, even Dutch
                    1. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene 28 December 2017 00: 31 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      For confusion, different terms have been created, either Swedish socialism, then Finnish socialism, even Dutch

                      This is true, there is neither Swedish, nor Finnish, nor Dutch socialism, they were invented when our socialism was destroyed.
              2. kalibr
                27 December 2017 12: 19 New
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Green
                IN AND. Lenin said that the state monopoly, working for the whole nation, is socialism.

                It’s all lies and robbery, not socialism. Rulila all party state nomenclature! And simple hard workers have always been a anal!
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 27 December 2017 13: 09 New
                  +2
                  What a tall calm! (I'm talking about the last sentence). Is there a verb, doesn’t it burn?
                  1. kalibr
                    27 December 2017 21: 37 New
                    0
                    So I wrote that I grew up on Proletarskaya Street, there are also not so hard workers bent there.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 28 December 2017 05: 54 New
                      +3
                      Well, do not stoop to the "working cattle", right?
                2. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 27 December 2017 21: 00 New
                  +2
                  Quote: kalibr
                  It’s all lies and robbery, not socialism. Rulila all party state nomenclature! And simple hard workers have always been a anal!

                  No, dear, we are in anal sex now, and nobody needs us, and then, despite all the Khrushchev-Brezhnev distortions, the party nomenclature was still forced to work to improve the lives of ordinary people
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 28 December 2017 09: 24 New
                    0
                    "the party nomenclature was still forced to work
                    to improve the lives of ordinary people "////

                    This we saw how she "worked hard." On the black Volga with flashing lights
                    directly sweating, chased by party makers and their chauffeurs.
                    Searched: "how else to improve the life of the common people?"
                    laughing
                    1. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene 28 December 2017 17: 26 New
                      +1
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      "the party nomenclature was still forced to work
                      to improve the lives of ordinary people "////

                      This we saw how she "worked hard." On the black Volga with flashing lights
                      directly sweating, chased by party makers and their chauffeurs.

                      Well, do not tell ... You see only what is on the surface. Think about it, would it really be better if they stood in traffic jams without flashing lights and did not have time to work?
                      During the 26th congress, I had the opportunity to work from a reserve in the regional committee, and I saw their life from the inside. They did a lot to improve life in the city and in the country. One of the instructions I had was to check the complaints and letters of the workers, and believe me, those who treated them negligently received a good thrashing and flew to rectify the matter in an instant.
  6. avva2012
    avva2012 26 December 2017 08: 21 New
    +4
    It is characteristic that at the same time first attempts study of public opinion.

    Based on the documents that appeared in the public domain, we can say that public opinion was studied with the help of the Cheka, the NKVD from the moment these organizations appeared. I think the Soviet Government was well aware of the mood of the people.
    1. kalibr
      26 December 2017 08: 57 New
      +4
      To know and study public opinion are two different things! Collecting information notes is one thing, research is another. For you, this may be the same thing, but not for sociologists. In addition, the work was protected in the 2005 year. Then, many documents have not yet been opened. For example, the same memos of the NKVD, and now they are published in several volumes.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 26 December 2017 09: 26 New
        +2
        I have a suspicion that there were enough "sociological experts" in uniform. It is not necessary to consider Power as stupider than itself.
        1. kalibr
          26 December 2017 10: 17 New
          +3
          Then why did they turn to me? Or do you again think that for some reason I’m deceiving you? What for? I do not see dividends. It’s always easier to tell the truth than to invent something. Again, maybe there were enough of these upstairs. But they demanded polls from below. And there were originally completely different goals and objectives.
        2. Curious
          Curious 26 December 2017 13: 38 New
          +2
          If we take the second half of the 1930s - the turn of the 1950s - 1960s, the study of public opinion is carried out intensively, but it is closed in nature and is considered as a source of closed party and state information and has a specific focus.
          Under party committees of all levels, by decision of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, departments of party information are created. Using a variety of sources (reports of activist informants, collecting information on their own and with the help of the NKVD-KGB), these departments regularly prepared generalizing analytical notes on the moods among workers, in the countryside, among students, and young people in general (the Komsomol service apparatchiks committees), intelligentsia, in the army, in party cells and in the organs of the NKVD-KGB themselves.
          The main thing in their activity was the identification of anti-Party and anti-Soviet sentiments
          and the creation in the country of a feeling of active support by the masses of the next party decisions.
          1. kalibr
            26 December 2017 22: 15 New
            +2
            Everything was so, but I meant what was done after 95. And the chronological framework of the dissertation itself is different. You can’t mix everything together.
  7. kalibr
    26 December 2017 10: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: avva2012
    There is no need for special financial expenses, this information is just a by-product of other developments.

    Your words, yes ... to people’s ears! Where there is no cost and there is no good report either! In fact, EVERYTHING IS NOT SO! And do not judge what you do not know. We have a special subject "Sociological research in PR and advertising." And it’s difficult, expensive, you need to be able to ...
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 26 December 2017 11: 01 New
      +3
      No, not like that, it's hard. In the 30-40-s, what is now called the buzzword PR worked perfectly at the state level. What you are studying is empty. For the most part, people are smarter than you think about them.
      1. kalibr
        26 December 2017 12: 14 New
        +3
        “No, not like that, it's complicated” - to amateurs everything is always simple.
        For the most part, they are even dumber ...
        "Bread and circuses" - that’s all their wisdom!
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 26 December 2017 13: 41 New
          +3
          Do not judge by yourself. I.V. Stalin, there was a different opinion about the people. Maybe I knew and understood a little more than you? Remember the toast about the Russian people, and about the "cogs", the same.
          1. kalibr
            26 December 2017 17: 42 New
            +3
            He didn’t know about the 91 ... And if I were in the Kremlin in his place, and in front of the journalists, I would not have said so. What not to say? Praise, as well as swearing on the collar does not hang, and the working cattle is pleasant.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 27 December 2017 05: 11 New
              +1
              He knew 1945. And, you will remain in place. Widely known in narrow circles.
              1. kalibr
                27 December 2017 07: 57 New
                +3
                Doctor, my books were published in the USSR in runs of 87 thousand and 100 thousand copies. In Russia - 5 thousand several times. The circulation of books in England, how many books sold out in Germany, I do not know, but a lot. Otherwise, they would not print. In fact, the British (and not only them) are familiar with our military history from 1223 to 1700 from my books. And ... what is that "he knew 45." Well, I knew. So what? Now everything is different, another life, other people. And you all praise the mustachioed. Although everything is different. And for 45 and T-34 was good, but now they’re moving to Armata. Why? We would ride further on the 34 and run with rifles.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 27 December 2017 08: 26 New
                  +1
                  And you all praise the mustachioed.

                  And you, as I understand it, a nervous tick starts from him, if not worse?
                  The circulation of books in England, how many books sold out in Germany, I do not know, but a lot. Otherwise, they would not print. In fact, the British (and not only them) are familiar with our military history from 1223 to 1700 from my books.

                  I say in narrow circles. They retired, they earned it, since they were published like that. The countries there are civilized, they do not deceive the authors. So, happy for you.
                  Now everything is different, another life, other people.

                  People are the same. So, it is best, in our other time, to have a house in the village and it is desirable where there are not many of these same people. And I wouldn’t refuse T-34 in the courtyard of this house. Well, her armature, you won’t get spare parts.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 27 December 2017 13: 24 New
                    +2
                    "And you, as I understand it, a nervous tick starts from him" ///

                    Many normal people.
                    Three holidays were celebrated in our family (I remember from early childhood):
                    New Year, March 5 - the day of Stalin's death and May 9 - Victory Day.
                    Jewish, Russian religious and communist mother did not recognize.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 27 December 2017 15: 50 New
                      +1
                      But in Israel, the birthday of I.V. Stalin, the same is not celebrated? Godfather of the country, though.
                      "Many normal people."
                      I have heard that the defining indicator of a person’s normality is doubt in their normality.
                      1. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 27 December 2017 18: 06 New
                        +2
                        Maybe there were a few old people who celebrate
                        in the remaining pair of communist kibbutzim? recourse
                        (I saw in one portrait of Stalin in the dining room).
                        This era is gone, like a nightmare ...
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 28 December 2017 03: 22 New
                      +2
                      This era is gone, like a nightmare ...

                      It’s not for everyone to leave, but someone is now sleeping in a nightmare, twitching his hind and forelimbs, suffering / enjoying (?) Encopresis. As a result, the monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators collapse, the memory of those who, with what ideology, saved humanity from savages, is erased / charmed. Old people remember, but they will leave. There will come, again, a "new order", and I.V. Stalin will not be.
  8. Curious
    Curious 26 December 2017 11: 04 New
    +3
    “It is characteristic that at the same time the first attempts were made to study public opinion. So, in March 1990, the ideological department of the OK CPSU of the Saratov Region conducted a sociological survey of women, the purpose of which was to find out their attitude to the situation in the country, region and CPSU as the organizing and leading force of Soviet society. "
    I wonder what is meant by "first attempts to study public opinion"? Are these the first attempts of the ideological department of the Saratov regional party committee itself? Or are these the first attempts known to the author?
    But what about the Komsomolskaya Pravda Institute of Public Opinion, which lasted seven years (1960-1967) and conducted a total of 27 opinion polls, including 1 international, 20 all-Union, 3 inter-regional and 3 regional?
    And what did the department of specific sociological studies of the Institute of Philosophy of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR, which in 1968 was transformed into the Institute of Concrete Social Research of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR and conducted in 1973-1984. according to the direct instructions of the various departments of the CPSU Central Committee, at least 10-12 large, multi-purpose theoretical and applied projects for the study of public opinion? This is not counting thousands of "field" research.
    Surveys of public opinion, especially of the working part of the population and students, were carried out in all regions and regularly. Another question is that the results of these studies were not widely available.
    And the theoretical basis of "socialist public opinion" was worked out to the smallest detail. And VTsIOM did not arise from scratch. So what about the "first attempts" is unclear.
    1. kalibr
      26 December 2017 12: 15 New
      +3
      The work of the REGIONAL LEVEL, I recall. And the chronological framework is different.
  9. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 26 December 2017 13: 40 New
    18
    The article is based entirely on archival materials.
    Big +
    Relevant +
    And while historical +
    keep it up good
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 26 December 2017 17: 44 New
      0
      V.O., now the pancreas?
      1. kalibr
        26 December 2017 22: 05 New
        +1
        And what is pancreas? Words can’t be written or are you in a hurry somewhere?
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 27 December 2017 05: 12 New
          +2
          Ask Nikolai, he knows, but I have no leisure.
          1. kalibr
            27 December 2017 07: 50 New
            +2
            Then there is no need to write, if there is LEISURE to answer, but no explanation ... It is strange somehow ... It is not clear to me.
          2. Mikado
            Mikado 27 December 2017 10: 26 New
            +2
            And then the pancreas and the user Some Compote? wink
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 27 December 2017 10: 30 New
              0
              This is not the first time that a user has a relationship with V.O. as a pancreas. Maybe wants to join an elite club?
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 27 December 2017 10: 43 New
                +2
                This is not the first time that a user has a relationship with V.O. as a pancreas.

                "And I'm a pancreas even more Ku!" wink drinks
                the user has an equal relationship with many good authors. You shouldn’t be so. stop
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 27 December 2017 11: 06 New
                  +2
                  How so? I just wanted to find out, one way or another. What is so bad about wanting to be together? "It’s fun to walk along the open spaces!" laughing
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 27 December 2017 11: 45 New
                    0
                    How so?

                    "so" is to look for enemies out of the blue, as Postyshev in Doctoral sausage wink certainly more fun. The world is beautiful in its diversity, until it intersects with the norms of morality and the criminal code. drinks
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 27 December 2017 13: 22 New
                      +1
                      There are no enemies, there are ill-wishers, usually. And, this is all from a misunderstanding. Here, and I want to find out, understand. Innocent desire, in my opinion. wink
                      ps I don’t know for what variety you are, but I don’t see it in the modern world. All go in the same place, eat the same g, listen to the same music. Why, one wonders, the Union fell?
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 27 December 2017 13: 29 New
                        +1
                        There are no enemies, there are ill-wishers, usually. And, this is all from a misunderstanding. Here, and I want to find out, understand. Innocent desire, in my opinion. wink

                        Doctor, we are discussing a medieval costume under today's article about the castle and porcelain, I’ve even gone through the pederasts. Ayda to us! wink
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 27 December 2017 15: 53 New
                      +1
                      I am not an expert, Nikolai on such issues.
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 27 December 2017 16: 04 New
                        +3
                        here’s how to discuss communism –– so Alexander will wipe everyone off, take him to the table, and put in an enema fellow but how .. details of a medieval costume, medieval beds or the problem of extermination of sables ... crying
                    3. avva2012
                      avva2012 28 December 2017 03: 54 New
                      +4
                      but how .. details of a medieval costume, medieval beds or the problem of extermination of sables ...

                      And how does the endangered sable on a medieval bed and in a medieval costume relate to your proposal to discuss the unconventional orientation of people?
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 28 December 2017 07: 12 New
                        +2
                        Absolutely none. Here it only seems to me that Nikolay at home turns his declared 150 ---- into 750 !!!!! Here in that article, Anton wrote him an answer about literature, ------- and I imagined Nikolai !!!!! What he said! And the reptilians are terrible in the eyes! Something like that, is it? in general, I often think of him ...... Oh, strange !!!!!!! I was scared, and left quickly! In all his vile foul-smelling entrance is to blame !!! That's what!
    2. kalibr
      26 December 2017 17: 46 New
      +3
      This is not quite an article. An excerpt from my daughter’s Ph.D. thesis, defended at Moscow State University in 2005. Therefore, archival materials, including the current archive of the Penz Government. reg. (rarity!) and much more. The members of the Scientific Council approved the work unanimously ...
  10. kalibr
    26 December 2017 17: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: avva2012
    It’s not beautiful, Olgovich, they arranged a “dark” for such things in childhood. Or are you not used to it?

    One pleasant step from pleasant memories of violence to direct violence against dissenting people!
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 26 December 2017 18: 17 New
      +2
      to direct violence against dissent one step!

      "Good Monk's Stick" - It does not count, this is from the category of medicine! wink even threw me with the filing of the Doctorlaughing
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 27 December 2017 05: 14 New
      +1
      Oh, Vyacheslav Olegovich, you, tell me more about morality. From the side of one who considers people to be a "working cattle."
      1. kalibr
        27 December 2017 12: 00 New
        +2
        I can tell you. What I say to my masters: highly moral behavior is the most effective and rational. Do you disagree? That is, even the working cattle must be treated with soul!
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 27 December 2017 13: 24 New
          0
          And, you yourself relate to the workers?
          1. kalibr
            27 December 2017 15: 39 New
            +1
            To the shepherds!
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 27 December 2017 15: 55 New
              0
              To the shepherds!
              Ave, father?
  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 26 December 2017 18: 44 New
    +4
    Mikado,
    "you look, and the World Revolution will come" ////

    And what? Tweet Aurora, like Petropavlovka. smile
    We’ll make VKontakte: in Smolny Cord, Vox performs with naked Alice!
    The masses will move ... to tighten the armored cars, of course.
    avva2012 will fit on him ... And it's in the hat. am
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 26 December 2017 18: 51 New
      +1
      avva2012 will fit on it ... And it's in the hat. am

      seductively .. wink but .. if he gets on it from our supply, after twenty years we ourselves will all be shot as "enemies of the people." We will gobble up, get fed up, morally decompose .. request
      but in general, an almost finished script. hi
      Yes, and grow a beard! drinks
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 December 2017 19: 15 New
        +4
        "after twenty years, we ourselves all will be shot as" enemies of the people. "" ////

        But what about ??? Naturally! There was nothing to tweet and like on VKontakte ...

        Do you know how it was in Israel? Come here to British Palestine too
        a bunch of communists. From all of Eastern Europe. Well, they started buzzing: the "political"
        strikes, then sabotage - wires on electric poles were cut, for example.
        The British first captured all the main troublemakers and exiled to the dead
        Petah Tikvu. Now it’s like a suburb of Tel Aviv, a so-so city, but decent -
        There is a work. And then there was a malaria outskirts with plantations of oranges
        and the raids of the Feddain Arabs. Some of the Communists calmed down, some do not.
        Who is not - suddenly arrested, put on two ships - and sailed into the Black Sea.
        They said: "There are two options - either we land in Odessa, or in Romania." And that’s all. Dropped everyone.
        So Israel did not become communist. Phew!
        1. Curious
          Curious 26 December 2017 19: 24 New
          +2
          And landed at what depth? And obviously not everyone gathered. Shmul Mikunis slipped away.
        2. Mikado
          Mikado 26 December 2017 23: 53 New
          +2
          So Israel did not become communist. Phew!

          to each his own. I am not against communism, I am against raising to an absolute rank any concept. The world is too diverse to reduce it to a blind hope for something, at least for the teachings of the bearded KarlMarx. Moreover, the statements of any government should not be at odds with the case.
          Now it’s like a suburb of Tel Aviv, a so-so city, but decent -
          There is a work.

          we had work in many cities exactly in the days of communism ... I was wildly lucky that I was born and lived a life in St. Petersburg.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 27 December 2017 11: 51 New
            +3
            Our rapid economic breakthrough occurred precisely when we decisively
            socialism (in the 80s). Sold out state-owned enterprises and pressed the professional association
            ("Histadrut").
        3. avva2012
          avva2012 27 December 2017 05: 39 New
          +1
          So Israel did not become communist. Phew!

          But, it was precisely the communists who helped Israel when it was vitally necessary. 50mln dollars collected in the USA G. Meir, of course, an important thing, but the money itself does not shoot. “A few days after the UN General Assembly voted to create two independent states in Palestine, the United States banned the sale of weapons to the Middle East. The Department of State has announced that it will not issue passports to individuals who intend to serve in the non-US military. This was directed against American Jews who wanted to help Israel. England refused to join the arms embargo on the "hot region." She signed major contracts with Arab countries and did not want to lose money. Arabs, openly preparing and declaring war on the Jewish state, continued to receive weapons in huge quantities. But at the same time, Europe and the USA refused to supply the Jews with Jews, knowingly condemning the possible, but not yet born, state of Israel to death. "David Efimovich Genis. David Ben-Gurion, in an appeal to students of the city of Haifa:" Russia supplied us with weapons (through Czechoslovakia), which helped us withstand the war of independence. ”
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 27 December 2017 05: 22 New
      +4
      avva2012 will fit on him ... And it's in the hat.

      No, everyone should work in their place. At least, for the time being, it is desirable. And then we'll see, the one who laughs last laughs well, right? laughing
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 27 December 2017 11: 57 New
        +3
        "No, everyone should work in their place" ///

        Yes, okay, not forcibly ... fellow
        Everyone has their own experience. I served in reserve with the Argentines, good guys:
        all the Jews there were either Communists or for socialism.
        Well, their juntas rotted cruelly. How we argued! Completely did not understand
        each other...
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 27 December 2017 13: 27 New
          +1
          And the juntas in Argentina, were also from the Communists? belay What a twist!
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 27 December 2017 15: 45 New
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            Let's just say: there were Jews in the juntas too.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 28 December 2017 03: 59 New
              +2
              Where there are none. laughing
  12. kalibr
    26 December 2017 22: 13 New
    +4
    Quote: Reptiloid
    As for different opinions, there are different opinions, but only from new opinions, of the aftermath, one harm to our country.

    On the contrary. Unanimity is destructive. It’s long to explain, but it’s easier to read in the textbook of cultural studies edited by prof. Baghdasaryan. For technical students. Enough is therefore accessible and understandable. There are many passages from P. Sorokin, Toynbee, Danilevsky, so the reading is instructive ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 27 December 2017 05: 51 New
      +2
      Different opinions may have a restrictive scope. Now they are trying to limit all different opinions to the framework of praising capitalism, monarchism ... Somehow, some topics are being squeezed out of these different opinions. YOU, how, as a specialist in PR, this is not known, Vyacheslav?
  13. kalibr
    27 December 2017 08: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: avva2012
    If in the USSR this problem was, then it speaks of a rather high living standard of the population.

    And no one says that under state capitalism, people should have a low cost of living. For people to work well, they need to be fed, dressed, treated. But the system was closed to itself, that's why it got rid of itself. But the bourgeoisie ... was specific, but there was some more. You talk about ownership of the means of production is very primitive. You need to raise the level of education. Although why I do not see. You need to treat people. Here it is necessary to improve. And to drink just less now. And in my opinion, drunkenness has completely disappeared at work. I wrote in the past, I knew the teachers that they were drunk at the university and ... nothing! They chided and ... left. Now get fired right away! At least at my PSU!
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 27 December 2017 08: 36 New
      +1
      You talk about ownership of the means of production is very primitive.

      And, you, as I understand it, classical Marxism, creatively reworked and deepened?
      "the bourgeoisie ... was specific." This, I forgot, from the 1989 of the year when this is what was printed in The Twinkle? Have you tried to rethink this since then?
      And to drink just less now. And in my opinion, drunkenness has completely disappeared at work. I wrote in the past, I knew the teachers that they were drunk at the university and ... nothing! They chided and ... left. Now get fired right away! At least at my PSU!

      I understand that you consider yourself the center of the universe, and PSU, a hail on a hill shining. Have you tried to descend from heaven to earth? They began to drink less, yeah! You know that you understand Marxism and alcoholism in such a way that it’s scary to think how well you are versed in your profession.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 27 December 2017 11: 35 New
        +2
        About the cost of living. Stalin had plans for a 6-hour working day. Also, few worked after the penitentiary. And what did they do? Probably grandchildren nursed. Now it’s 8 hours a day, but in practice, it seems that in our city everyone is working more. And retirees are also trying to work. But given 70 years after the Second World War, achievements in different sectors ----- it would be time for a shorter working day, with an increase in the cost of living.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 27 December 2017 13: 37 New
          +2
          Reducing the cost of production, not profit, is the main difference between the economies of the two systems. The effectiveness of the socialist system proved the Second World War. Therefore, there is so much stink around Lend-Lease.
          1. kalibr
            27 December 2017 15: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: avva2012
            The effectiveness of the socialist system proved the Second World War.

            And its inefficiency proved 91-th!
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 27 December 2017 21: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: kalibr
              And its inefficiency proved 91-th!

              It is a shame for an assistant professor, a historian from the CPSU not to know that in 1964-1965 an economic reform was carried out in the USSR, as a result of which the socialist economy was reoriented from lowering production costs to profit. Figuratively speaking, socialism was inculcated with the kidney of capitalism, from which the monster grew. who buried socialism.
              1. kalibr
                27 December 2017 21: 30 New
                +1
                Well, it means instilled. Clever people, they made foolish terylam fools, and they were led. And do not compete with the smart ... And do not sue the rich!
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 27 December 2017 21: 41 New
                  +2
                  Quote: kalibr
                  well implanted. Clever people, they made foolish terylam fools, and they were led. And compete with the smart ... And do not sue the rich!

                  Yes, those who carried out this reform understood well what they were doing. Those who opposed, managed to close their mouths, and everyone else was told how it would be good for us to live with self-financing. Right V.I. Lenin said that the proletariat is fighting for power, and the bourgeoisie slowly sneaking to power. What actually happened here. But nothing, the terpils will soon grow wiser, they are now being trained by "capitalism" (a colleague came up with a good word) and will be shown to "smart" and rich, where Kuzkin’s mother wintered.
                2. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 31 December 2017 13: 28 New
                  0
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Well, it means instilled. Clever people, they made foolish terylam fools, and they were led. And do not compete with the smart ... And do not sue the rich!

                  And terpils are fools ------- who is this? Is it the whole country? Those whose living standards have fallen? Who has the savings ==== 00000 ?? what would you not be able to participate in privatization? Those with health, strength did not have enough to survive? In short, "they just didn't fit the market"
      2. kalibr
        27 December 2017 11: 40 New
        +2
        How disturbs you, however. But yes, compared to me you who - the healer God knows where. And many read me and read. The whole penny from 1980 to 1990 and Kuibyshevites 1985 - 1988. You can say they grew up on my TV shows, so I have something to be proud of. My books are not reviewed by doctors, but by recognized experts, and therefore they are printed. After the New Year, here's another one coming out - "PR Design and PR Promotion." In 2004, she was recognized as the best educational publication of the year, noted at a competition in Sochi, but time passed, much was added ... But what will your essay print? Benefit how to insert klystir? And at PSU, students are already studying from 47 countries. And we have a good rating, although we are not at Moscow State University, of course. But it’s much cheaper here. So what are you talking about? By the way, state capitalism in the USSR was discussed just in 1989, but not in Ogonyok, but at a scientific and practical conference in Kazan. And now it is taught in universities and is not even discussed in general. Like, well, who did not know this?
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 27 December 2017 12: 15 New
          +2
          I write that the concept of state capitalism meets certain criteria. In the USSR, these criteria did not exist, and the rest is all from the evil one, unless, of course, we use the same terminology and one teaching. And how many scientific and practical conferences have been held there ...
          Benefit how to insert klystir? Have you tried? You can’t fix the faucet in the kitchen, not just the enema. Yes, okay, Vyacheslav Olegovich, exhale already. You, the genius of our pre-apocalyptic era, where to me, the healer. But to you, that healer, that a baker, is the same, everything, this is a "working cattle".
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 27 December 2017 13: 56 New
            +1
            But for a long time I waited for the DOCTOR to announce loudly that it was not the doctor who was putting in the enema, but the young nurses who had been studying for 4 years! I guess that everything is more complicated than it seems! So Alexander came to the site and immediately wrote 2 articles. And then ---- did not. And that may have a different meaning at all. Or also did some other forum users .... Not everything is as simple as it seems.
            Well, I don’t suffer from political economy, as well as some other subjects. And let state capitalism! He works to create the image of the country, research, strengthening the socio-political influence of the country in the world. So be it. And then all these resources are in the pockets of alligators! And what good is it for us?
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 27 December 2017 16: 07 New
              +2
              Dmitry, I do not see anything shameful in this procedure. From the third year, in practice, he worked as a medical brother, so I know medicine as an industry from all sides.
              I agree that in our conditions, when it’s not fat, state capitalism is better than the absence of an economy in general.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 27 December 2017 16: 54 New
                +3
                Shameful, shameless, what's the difference? Alexander? It’s one thing, at work young mothers discuss children's health. Yes and that’s not about enemas !!!!! How bud here some sick people gathered! It seems everyone is healthy.
                But I came up with a new word ----- KITAKLISM !!! In what!
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 27 December 2017 21: 24 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  But I came up with a new word ----- KITAKLISM !!! In what!

                  Probably CAPITACLISM? Good word ...
                  Dear comrades, do not worry about state capitalism. The fact is that socialism is built on the material basis of capitalism, and since Russia was a backward country, and the economy didn’t benefit from eight years of war, it was necessary to carry out a multi-layered NEP, here V.I. Lenin dreamed that if we had a state monopoly, then we would only have one step to socialism, to make it work for the whole society, which I.V. Stalin. By 1936, we already had socialism.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 27 December 2017 22: 01 New
                    +1
                    Thank you, Alexander! what fixed. We will be co-authors. MORE and not think of this. Zadornov ---- memory and regret. His subjects remained with us.
                2. kalibr
                  27 December 2017 21: 27 New
                  +2
                  Zadornova in his creation you still can not surpass!
                  1. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 27 December 2017 21: 44 New
                    +2
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Zadornova in his creation you still can not surpass!

                    Yes, Zadornov had little thought of this!
                  2. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 31 December 2017 13: 33 New
                    +1
                    There are words Zadornova RUSSIA ------ Earth's brain.
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Zadornova in his creation you still can not surpass!
                    Died November 10, 2017.
  14. kalibr
    27 December 2017 15: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Reptiloid
    And let state capitalism! He works to create the image of the country, research, strengthening the socio-political influence of the country in the world. So be it.
    Dmitry! EVERYTHING IS TRUE! You wrote well. But ... after all this was 91. Do you want to repeat it?

    "And then all these resources are in the pockets of alligators! And what good is it for us?
    "
    And this is true, although not all resources ... But ... the benefit is that everything was fine there, and the country fell apart !!! And now "everything is bad, everything is in your pocket", and it will not fall apart. There is a difference? And it only depends on you now, where you are at all below or above. I have many friends among the "hard workers". And what today? One crane operator has an 1 \ 8 share in a tower crane and has already bought his own wheeled crane. Rides it to work. He has a partner and pays him for the exit. Another welder. Former engineer. He cooks pipes, but ... he has his own company selling electrodes and sells them to those who cook - and everyone is happy. There are other examples ... but there are those who cannot and do not want anything, yes. There are those too.
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 27 December 2017 21: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: kalibr
      And what today? One crane operator has 1 \ 8 share in the tower crane and has already bought his wheeled crane. Rides it to work. He has a partner and pays him for the exit. Another welder. Former engineer. He cooks pipes, but ... he has his own company selling electrodes and sells them to those who cook - and everyone is happy. There are other examples ... but there are those who cannot and do not want anything, yes. There are those too.

      Compare how many first and how many second? Well, the latter will make the socialist revolution, because, firstly, they want to live a human life, and secondly, they are 1000 times more than the first.
  15. kalibr
    27 December 2017 15: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: avva2012
    But to you, that healer, that a baker, is the same

    When they judge what they don’t understand - yes! When they do their job well, I am delighted!
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 27 December 2017 16: 18 New
      0
      You think someone is interested in your emotions?
      1. kalibr
        27 December 2017 21: 24 New
        +1
        So far, doctor, I’m personally interested in only one thing, namely, an analysis of recent publications on VO makes it possible to prove conclusively that articles like this one gather a lot of feedback (that is, people want to talk it out), but relatively few clicks. Articles about the "fake yoke" have a lot of both of them, and, finally, articles that are purely weaponry collect a lot of clicks and few reviews. Clicks are useful for the site’s advertising appeal. Comments, by contrast, offer a great opportunity for instant advertising. Which was proved by the example of books, whiskey and sausage. Thus, all this provides the basis for a number of interesting advertising developments, which in one way or another will be used with great benefit to society.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 28 December 2017 04: 20 New
          +3
          In general, it is clear without any analysis that if Mr. article scatters on Soviet reality or is weak in itself, then it will collect few clicks. If an article about weapons, for example, those who understand something in this, but not many, will speak out, but most of those who came to the site will read the article, because the topic is interesting. If the article is pseudoscientific and fashionable, it will collect both clicks and comments.
          You know, on this subject, I recall a joke about Petka and his scientific research with a cockroach: "Petka decided to do scientific experiments. He caught a cockroach tore off his two legs, let go, whistled - the cockroach ran. Petya wrote down the results. he ran again. Petka wrote again. He tore off the last two - whistled, the cockroach does not move. Petka writes: the results showed that the cockroach cannot hear without legs. " Paradox.
  16. kalibr
    27 December 2017 21: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Green
    party nomenclature was still forced

    The main thing here is the word FORCED. According to the residual principle, that they wouldn’t be particularly indignant ... And where is the burning of the soul, shirts torn on the chest for ordinary people .. for this, as it is, communism. FORCED ... for the time being! But a slave, no prayer!
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 28 December 2017 17: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: kalibr
      The main thing here is the word FORCED. According to the residual principle, that they wouldn’t be particularly indignant ... And where is the burning of the soul, shirts torn on the chest for ordinary people .. for this, as it is, communism. FORCED ... for the time being! But a slave, no prayer!

      How can you, you like to cling to words, but in essence they have never answered a single thesis ...
      There was a burning, under Stalin, it is clear that not everyone was like Danko. There were people like you who were hiding, they would not lift a finger once again. It was not easy to see them right away. But Stalin understood the corporate interest of the bureaucracy and constantly shuffled it, did not let it sit still, regularly cleaned it, for negligence they could lose their membership card and place, for crimes - their membership card and life.
  17. Mikado
    Mikado 28 December 2017 11: 51 New
    +2
    Reptiloid,
    Declared 150 ---- B750 !!!!! Here in that article, Anton wrote him an answer about literature, ------- and I imagined Nikolai !!!!!

    I did not declare anything! stop just a comment threw down, so I did not understand who answered whom. request So I imagined steampunk Reptiloid! drinks
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 28 December 2017 13: 54 New
      +1
      No, Nicholas, often these glitches happened here and there. And about 150 you often mentioned, but forgotten, or maybe it all started with 50? If you yourself do not remember ---- prepare links !!!! The main thing, I do not think that you are sick! The accursed porch is all to blame !!!!! The stinky chimney stinks, rats run, then puddles !!
      Quote: Mikado
      who answered whom. request So I imagined steampunk Reptiloid! drinks
      Horror !!!!! But in fact, Anton wanted to write about you ----- steampunk Mikado
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 28 December 2017 15: 37 New
        +1
        Horror !!!!! But in fact, Anton wanted to write about you ----- steampunk Mikado

        I suspect that about Japanese steampunk Mikado animators led by Miyazaki have already shot a bunch of cartoons belay
        And about 150 you often mentioned, but forgotten, or maybe it all started with 50?

        it is a sin ...
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 28 December 2017 15: 46 New
          +2
          With you coming, here it turns out, I’ll leave. Good luck.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 28 December 2017 16: 36 New
            0
            You too with the Coming! happiness, health to you and your family, success! drinks
  18. kalibr
    28 December 2017 13: 15 New
    0
    Quote: avva2012
    In general, it’s clear without any analysis that if Mr. article scatters on Soviet reality or is weak in itself, then it will collect few clicks

    Stupid You are still a man doctor. So after all, the one who opens the material does not know r ... he throws up roses, like he does not know who the author is, as well as whether she is strong or weak. He may or may not be interested in the topic, but he does not know the content. Is it really incomprehensible? A click is noted at that moment as the material opens, and not after reading it.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 28 December 2017 15: 04 New
      +1
      Oh, Vyacheslav Olegovich, but everyone knows everything! If only they often come here. Who writes what they call, how they illustrate. Another thing is that new authors may appear or who rarely prints. Or a famous author can increase the range of his themes. Well, then we get hurt. People should not be naive beyond their years. Another thing is that the section of opinion or analytics is different there. More different authors.
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 2 January 2018 04: 01 New
      +1
      Stupid You are still a man doctor.
      A click is noted at that moment as the material opens, and not after reading it.

      A scientist husband who is wiser than a mullah,
      But bragging and a trickster is worthy of blasphemy.
      A man whose Word is stronger than granite rock -
      Above the wise, beyond any praise! Omar Khayyam
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 2 January 2018 05: 05 New
        +1
        Happy New Year to you, Alexander! You can even be more cunning! And to deliberately go over the articles, having first read the comments of famous and respected people. Yes, for example, A. Oleinikov’s articles are immediately identified by name. Well, after all, what a worthy person, Doctor of Sciences, Starikov recommends reading it. And the topics are rare.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 2 January 2018 07: 01 New
          +2
          Happy New Year, Dmitry! May the year of the dog be affectionate and kind, like a puppy!